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| 05:43.50 | new2unix | moin all |
| 05:44.51 | Leeds | hello |
| 05:58.48 | new2unix | Hi Leeds. How are you this fine morning/noon? |
| 06:51.13 | Leeds | I'm fine, although well-bitten |
| 06:52.48 | mozrat | you must be tasty Leeds |
| 06:52.52 | mozrat | Good morning all |
| 06:53.27 | Leeds | apparently I am |
| 07:05.54 | mozrat | How is Sri Lanka Leeds? |
| 07:06.04 | mozrat | Do you stay in a hotel when you stay there? |
| 07:13.58 | Leeds | we have a company/family house |
| 07:14.35 | Leeds | and it's... hot, humid, grey, dry at the moment... |
| 07:14.47 | Leeds | I would say, partially-developed... |
| 07:15.21 | Leeds | still recovering from being smacked down by Mother Nature last year... |
| 07:15.30 | mozrat | anything much to do at night? |
| 07:15.31 | mozrat | oh |
| 07:15.47 | Leeds | still hovering somewhere between all-out civil war and peace... |
| 07:15.55 | Leeds | cheap, mainly |
| 07:16.42 | Leeds | there's not much to do at night round where the house is... we're a few minutes drive from the beach, where there are a few restaurants/bars, and there's plenty to do in Colombo, but that's an hour+ drive away |
| 07:17.45 | mozrat | are you currently doing one week in four there? |
| 07:18.02 | Leeds | the longer-term plan is for me to do approximately 50% of my time here |
| 07:18.19 | Leeds | but I'm not in any sort of routine with it yet |
| 07:19.03 | Leeds | it's not a bad place to be - I'd go mad living here all the time, but it's relaxing, good for work focus, good for saving money... |
| 07:20.24 | Leeds | things are better now they've got cable TV in the house - it was put in over the summer, having been rolled out into the town earlier this year |
| 07:21.42 | mozrat | yes - that would hepl |
| 07:21.45 | mozrat | help |
| 07:22.31 | Leeds | also, widespread availability of cheap, good-quality dodgy DVDs in the neighbourhood helps :-) |
| 07:23.00 | mozrat | :) |
| 07:24.56 | Leeds | I don't know where they get them from, but there are custom 'collection' DVDs - for example, I bought one at the weekend with both Charlie's Angels, both Kill BIlls and both Tomb Raiders (yes, but they're *entertaining* junk) on one disk for Rs 300 |
| 07:25.12 | Leeds | ibot change 300 lkr to gbp |
| 07:29.41 | mozrat | Haven't seen the Tomb Raider ones |
| 07:29.49 | mozrat | but I like Kill Bill(s) |
| 07:30.04 | Leeds | I saw the first one at the cinema - not seen the second one yet |
| 07:30.12 | mozrat | ahh, it's very good |
| 07:30.23 | mozrat | not spoilers but it completes the first one perfectly |
| 07:30.52 | Leeds | well, they were originally one film, edited into two, right? |
| 07:30.56 | mozrat | yes |
| 07:31.08 | mozrat | but not to make more money,.. oh no |
| 07:31.22 | mozrat | because he couldn't decide which bits to cut into one film |
| 07:31.23 | mozrat | :) |
| 07:32.49 | Leeds | :-) |
| 07:36.42 | Leeds | hmm... boss is coming here tomorrow |
| 07:43.48 | Leeds | how rugged is the ipod nano? http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3 |
| 07:50.15 | Leeds | http://clevescene.com/issues/2005-03-30/news/feature_print.html |
| 07:52.02 | mozrat | I read about that kid |
| 07:58.41 | Leeds | wow... just seen a blog post from someone in HK who bought 47 ipod nanos with cash :-) |
| 08:00.35 | Leeds | ah well, lunchtime |
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| 08:43.13 | mozrat | Hello morsing |
| 08:43.25 | morsing | Hello |
| 08:51.14 | mozrat | where have you been? |
| 08:51.42 | morsing | Holiday |
| 08:51.52 | mozrat | where did you go then? :) |
| 08:52.04 | morsing | Copenhagen# |
| 08:52.11 | mozrat | nice! |
| 08:52.25 | morsing | Mmm... Nice |
| 08:52.28 | mozrat | Was that home for you? |
| 08:52.37 | mozrat | before you came over to London |
| 08:52.45 | morsing | Yes |
| 08:56.58 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 08:57.02 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:57.29 | mozrat | morsing: whats the name of the area of Copenhagen where people have setup their own community? |
| 08:57.52 | mozrat | I eat at a resturant there - it was nice |
| 08:59.02 | morsing | mozrat: Christiania. |
| 08:59.08 | mozrat | thats it |
| 08:59.13 | morsing | "Restaurent" might be a stretch?! |
| 08:59.40 | mozrat | well - we walked near there/through there to get to the resturant |
| 08:59.46 | mozrat | maybe it was just outside |
| 09:00.27 | wethrin | mozrat: WHAT? |
| 09:00.39 | mozrat | wethrin: Good Morning |
| 09:00.52 | wethrin | Morning |
| 09:00.57 | wethrin | Err. I meant morsing :) |
| 09:01.31 | mozrat | Hmm - that would be very possible |
| 09:01.41 | wethrin | :-) Not quite - I just got out of the shower |
| 09:01.54 | morsing | wethrin: It works now |
| 09:02.00 | wethrin | what works? |
| 09:02.12 | wethrin | Mmm....fuel protests |
| 09:02.17 | morsing | The thing I was going to ask about but I can't be bothered now |
| 09:02.32 | wethrin | I confused |
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| 09:07.49 | morsing | wethrin: http://www.exonetric.net/console came up with a weird error |
| 09:08.10 | Leeds | very quiet and calm here... because the power has all gone |
| 09:08.17 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 09:08.38 | Leeds | network is UPSed, and I'm on a laptop :-) |
| 09:08.42 | morsing | wethrin: On the power page I can turn off the whole rack?!? |
| 09:09.25 | wethrin | You should only be allowed to fiddle your own port |
| 09:10.01 | morsing | Should I test if I can actually do it? |
| 09:10.07 | wethrin | NO! :) |
| 09:10.39 | ebbeyes | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.13 | morsing | wethrin: I scp'ed a 2GB file to Camelot at avg. 6.2MB/s |
| 09:11.16 | morsing | :-D |
| 09:11.19 | wethrin | nice! |
| 09:11.31 | wethrin | Do you know a guy called Richard Medhurst who works at Camelot? |
| 09:12.16 | morsing | Never heard of him |
| 09:12.46 | wethrin | Okay |
| 09:25.12 | morsing | Does anyone know where I can get proper food here? |
| 09:25.27 | wethrin | Where's here? |
| 09:25.31 | morsing | s/food/cheese/ |
| 09:25.34 | morsing | UK |
| 09:25.39 | morsing | Mmm... cheese |
| 09:25.42 | wethrin | Market? |
| 09:25.47 | morsing | Which one? |
| 09:25.50 | wethrin | Supermarket? What's proper cheese? |
| 09:25.53 | wethrin | Dunno. Try your local market |
| 09:26.15 | morsing | Proper cheese is cheese that tastes better than rubber |
| 09:26.36 | wethrin | Stilton |
| 09:26.43 | wethrin | (so, not emmental, then) |
| 09:26.46 | Leeds | so... ebay actually bought skype, apparently |
| 09:26.47 | morsing | No - not that kind of cheese |
| 09:26.54 | morsing | solid cheese |
| 09:27.04 | wethrin | Leeds: So we're going to have to bid on phone calls and wait a week? |
| 09:27.13 | wethrin | morsing: I'm sure there are placed in London |
| 09:27.31 | Leeds | manchego |
| 09:27.36 | Leeds | you can taste it from 10m away |
| 09:27.52 | wethrin | miles or metres? :) |
| 09:28.03 | Leeds | thinking the latter, but maybe the former |
| 09:28.37 | morsing | Leeds: Where? |
| 09:31.03 | Leeds | morsing: dunno, somewhere Spanish |
| 09:31.28 | Leeds | it was more a suggestion of good cheese that a suggestion of what to buy in London |
| 09:32.03 | morsing | Leeds: It would be easier for me to get cheese from Denmark then |
| 09:56.54 | morsing | I've setup Postfix 2.2 on a server but keep getting this message (among other weird errors): |
| 09:56.57 | morsing | <info@glyngore.dk>: [smtp1.mail.ascio.net]: Name or service not known |
| 09:59.08 | morsing | Ey-up? |
| 10:01.20 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 10:03.40 | wethrin | morsing: DNS lookup issues |
| 10:05.28 | Leeds | what? |
| 10:07.06 | Cope | hello |
| 10:07.18 | mozrat | Cope! |
| 10:12.30 | Cope | hiya |
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| 10:39.17 | morsing | wethrin: Ok but I can't spot the issue |
| 10:39.24 | morsing | Cope! |
| 10:39.53 | ebbeyes | whats up? |
| 10:45.00 | morsing | wethrin: Can you spot the problem? |
| 10:47.37 | mozrat | morsing: can you resolve [smtp1.mail.ascio.net] from that server? |
| 10:48.11 | wethrin | morsing: Check your DNS resolver |
| 10:48.40 | Erwin | The reverse DNS does not match, maybe it's confused about that. |
| 10:49.39 | wethrin | Shouldn't matter - if it does that check, it should check reverse, and then do another forward lookup on the name that's returned |
| 10:51.04 | Erwin | Google suggests it might have something with ipv6 records, I recall having a similar problem connecting to freenode when there was both a v4 and v6 record. |
| 10:51.20 | Erwin | Still, dig shows only an A record |
| 10:52.40 | wethrin | Oh, so his IPv6 support may be broken? |
| 10:52.53 | Erwin | Hmm. Are you sure it's not complaining about glyngore.dk ? |
| 10:53.24 | morsing | wethrin: I've texted you your password to emil.morsing.cc |
| 10:53.57 | wethrin | morsing: Hum? |
| 10:54.07 | morsing | wethrin: Eh?! |
| 10:54.08 | wethrin | Password for what? |
| 10:54.12 | morsing | Logging in |
| 10:54.15 | wethrin | Oh right. What username? |
| 10:54.18 | morsing | glyngore.dk. 17707 IN NS ns.dir.dk. |
| 10:54.26 | morsing | wethrin |
| 10:54.28 | wethrin | Ta |
| 10:54.52 | Erwin | nslookup -type=ns glyngore.dk fails here |
| 10:55.16 | wethrin | morsing: Can you put me in sudoers? |
| 10:55.17 | morsing | Try dig -t ns glyngore.dk |
| 10:55.27 | morsing | Mmm... why? |
| 10:55.36 | Erwin | Odd, it works from another server. |
| 10:55.37 | wethrin | Reading mail logs may be a useful indicator |
| 10:56.35 | morsing | wehtrin: I've added you to 'adm' |
| 10:56.43 | wethrin | thanks |
| 10:56.46 | morsing | You should be able to read the logs now |
| 10:57.00 | wethrin | Yes |
| 10:57.10 | morsing | Sorry but I have to go to Ricky now - See you |
| 10:57.15 | wethrin | bye |
| 11:38.53 | morsing | back |
| 11:38.58 | wethrin | Hello |
| 11:39.10 | wethrin | Your problem appears to be that Postfix isn't doing its DNS lookups correctly |
| 11:41.06 | wethrin | which is strange, as it seems to be working okay |
| 11:43.19 | morsing | So it's a bug? |
| 11:43.37 | wethrin | Either that, or a problem with Postfix configuration somewhere |
| 11:44.03 | wethrin | You can remove the hostname_check from your configuration |
| 11:44.06 | morsing | wethrin: It's the same configuration I was running on my old server |
| 11:45.02 | wethrin | And it worked on your old server? |
| 11:45.56 | morsing | wethrin: For years! |
| 11:46.22 | morsing | wethrin: It also seems to be intermittent |
| 11:46.25 | wethrin | Hm. Then I'd argue it's a problem with the way it plays with bind |
| 11:46.45 | wethrin | I'm running a tail -f on your mail.log, and most of the emails seem to be bouncing |
| 11:49.22 | morsing | wethrin: It bounces because it's spam |
| 11:49.28 | morsing | That's deliberate |
| 11:49.34 | wethrin | Right.... |
| 11:49.43 | wethrin | I don't believe that entirely |
| 11:50.01 | wethrin | As I've checked some of the IP addresses it claims not to find the hostname for, and they *do* resolve |
| 11:50.23 | morsing | Hmm... You're right... |
| 11:50.35 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:48:01 localhost postfix/smtpd[29749]: connect from unknown[66.135.215.231] |
| 11:50.38 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:48:02 localhost postfix/smtpd[29749]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[66.135.215.231]: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [66.135.215.231]; from=<eBay.121617487.58935.0@reply3.ebay.com> to=<henrik@morsing.cc> proto=ESMTP helo=<smf-camp2.smf.ebay.com> |
| 11:50.43 | wethrin | ~nslookup 66.135.215.231 |
| 11:53.00 | wethrin | morsing: You've got a few warnings when starting postfix |
| 11:53.18 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 11:53.45 | wethrin | (various files not owned by group mail) |
| 11:53.49 | wethrin | Hm. That seems to be working now |
| 11:53.59 | wethrin | Did you do anything other than restart Postfix? |
| 11:54.32 | morsing | Yes. Commented out #smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, rejec |
| 11:54.36 | morsing | t_unknown_client |
| 11:54.37 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 11:54.53 | morsing | But it hasn't wolved to problem. |
| 11:55.03 | morsing | It might now accept all sorts of crap emails |
| 11:55.06 | wethrin | What happens if you just put |
| 11:55.16 | wethrin | smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated |
| 11:55.50 | morsing | But then unknown clients, which is the biggest group of spammers, will be allowed to send |
| 11:56.16 | wethrin | Well, lots of IP addresses seem to be classed as 'unknown' |
| 11:56.27 | wethrin | Are you using a different version of Postfix to your old server? |
| 11:56.33 | morsing | wethrin: I know. Spammers |
| 11:56.43 | morsing | wethrin: Yes. 2.1.? -> 2.2 |
| 11:56.47 | wethrin | Not necessarily |
| 11:56.55 | wethrin | ~nslookup 66.135.215.231 |
| 11:57.13 | wethrin | Which may be debatable as to whether or not they're spammers :) |
| 11:57.21 | morsing | wethrin: But most. I'm not removing that statement. It rejects hundreds of spam mail every day |
| 11:57.31 | wethrin | Ow |
| 11:57.43 | wethrin | Er |
| 11:57.48 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:54:50 localhost postfix/postfix-script: warning: not set-gid or not owner+group+world executable: /usr/sbin/postqueue |
| 11:57.52 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:54:50 localhost postfix/postfix-script: warning: not set-gid or not owner+group+world executable: /usr/sbin/postdrop |
| 11:58.04 | morsing | So why did it complain earlier? |
| 11:58.15 | wethrin | It complained about other things earlier :) |
| 11:58.16 | morsing | What should they be? |
| 11:58.24 | wethrin | Presumably chmod g+s |
| 11:58.38 | morsing | Sep 12 14:50:22 localhost postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by group mail: /usr/sbin/postqueue |
| 11:58.41 | wethrin | ~nslookup 193.162.153.10 |
| 11:59.01 | wethrin | that says: connect from unknown [193.162.153.10] |
| 11:59.08 | wethrin | Er. |
| 11:59.12 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:57:00 localhost postfix/postdrop[30004]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/95858.30004: Permission denied |
| 11:59.15 | wethrin | Sep 12 14:57:02 localhost postfix/postdrop[30000]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/896981.30000: Permission denied |
| 11:59.27 | morsing | crap |
| 11:59.49 | wethrin | Lots of that coming now |
| 12:00.03 | morsing | So what do I do? |
| 12:01.04 | wethrin | Check and fix permissions |
| 12:01.21 | wethrin | Or just live life dangerously and chmod a+rw your maildrop directory |
| 12:01.36 | morsing | Can dpkg tell me what they should be? |
| 12:01.42 | morsing | Moo |
| 12:01.49 | wethrin | No idea. I'm a qmail person, and running on OpenBSD :) |
| 12:02.00 | morsing | Boo... Qmail! |
| 12:02.11 | wethrin | qmail r0x0rz |
| 12:02.21 | Leeds | argh, qmail |
| 12:02.26 | Leeds | exim is so much saner |
| 12:02.41 | wethrin | Leeds: You need to become One with DJB |
| 12:02.45 | morsing | I don't understand this |
| 12:02.58 | morsing | ibot kick DJB |
| 12:03.02 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 12:03.25 | wethrin | Did you change permissions on /usr/sbin/postdrop? |
| 12:03.30 | morsing | Yes! |
| 12:03.34 | morsing | No! |
| 12:03.43 | wethrin | Yes or no? |
| 12:03.49 | morsing | No! |
| 12:03.56 | wethrin | Well, maybe you should! |
| 12:03.57 | morsing | I chgrp mail /usr/sbin/postdrop |
| 12:04.10 | Leeds | I am one with Phil Hazel |
| 12:04.17 | morsing | Like chmod g+s? |
| 12:04.23 | wethrin | Yes |
| 12:04.26 | wethrin | You need to do that |
| 12:04.50 | wethrin | But Phil is a Cantabrian, so is therefore Wrong |
| 12:05.26 | wethrin | You may need to restart Postfix again |
| 12:07.07 | wethrin | Maybe Postfix has changed some of its configuration between versions |
| 12:07.08 | morsing | <morsing@post8.tele.dk>: [fpo.mail.dk]: Name or service not known |
| 12:07.15 | wethrin | ~nslookup fpo.mail.dk |
| 12:07.25 | wethrin | ~nslookup 80.160.76.237 |
| 12:07.29 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 12:07.39 | wethrin | ~nslookup vlan178-vip.opa.tdk.net |
| 12:08.03 | wethrin | Oh, and it's still moaning about permission denied when creating the maildrop file |
| 12:08.56 | Leeds | wethrin: for some reason, I thought you might hold something like that against Phil |
| 12:09.40 | wethrin | Hehe. I don't *really* hold that against him. I don't use Exim because, well, I've not done so before and qmail works for me |
| 12:09.48 | wethrin | And the configuration is far saner than sendmail's |
| 12:09.55 | wethrin | (which I did use before) |
| 12:11.14 | morsing | postfix set-permissions |
| 12:11.29 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 12:11.35 | wethrin | Still denied permission |
| 12:11.40 | morsing | Crap |
| 12:11.50 | wethrin | Just chmod a+w the directory |
| 12:11.57 | wethrin | (/var/spool/postfix/maildrop) |
| 12:12.42 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 12:12.51 | morsing | a? |
| 12:13.02 | wethrin | all |
| 12:13.11 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 12:13.34 | morsing | Doesn't help |
| 12:13.49 | morsing | crap |
| 12:14.26 | wethrin | gah |
| 12:14.32 | wethrin | Ask gllug? |
| 12:19.14 | morsing | ~ask gllug |
| 12:27.03 | wethrin | morsing: What's your current client_restrictions line? |
| 12:27.14 | rhowe | ibot change 900 sek to gbp |
| 12:28.08 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 12:28.08 | wethrin | Is Saturday in Manchesterster still on? |
| 12:29.50 | wethrin | Mmm. I have lots of money now :) |
| 12:31.55 | rhowe | wethrin: Hm.. I'll be there, and with Jia |
| 12:31.59 | wethrin | rightho |
| 12:32.39 | rhowe | anyway, I need to head to HSBC |
| 12:32.41 | rhowe | banking to do |
| 12:32.55 | morsing | wethrin: Haven't got one |
| 12:33.14 | morsing | When are you coming to Aylesbury? |
| 12:33.55 | wethrin | No idea |
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| 12:37.17 | wethrin | Leeds: ping? |
| 12:37.31 | Leeds | wethrin: pong |
| 12:37.49 | wethrin | I need an address to send a cheque to j-colo. Any chance you could give me one? |
| 12:40.01 | Leeds | wethrin: c/o Dan Jacobs, 11 brampton ct., brampton grove, nw4 4aj |
| 12:40.42 | wethrin | Excellent. And they can then email me if they finally work out how much I owe them exactly |
| 12:41.59 | Leeds | told you - make it a round 600 |
| 12:42.16 | Leeds | or if I didn't told you, I certainly meant to |
| 12:42.32 | wethrin | You did tell me |
| 12:46.12 | Leeds | hometime... |
| 12:52.03 | morsing | Sep 12 15:11:30 localhost postfix/postdrop[30004]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/95858.30004: Permission denied |
| 12:52.09 | wethrin | yeah |
| 12:52.51 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 12:53.02 | morsing | But it's just a warning |
| 12:53.25 | wethrin | Yeah, but it means it can't process those mails |
| 12:54.03 | morsing | I give up |
| 12:55.04 | wethrin | Someone else had the same problem as you |
| 12:55.15 | morsing | You? |
| 12:56.02 | wethrin | No. I don't use postfix :) |
| 12:56.17 | wethrin | He "fixed" it by installing Exim |
| 12:58.40 | morsing | *gnnfffrrr* |
| 12:59.21 | wethrin | yeh |
| 13:03.19 | morsing | http://www.danish-deli-food.com/Danish/Shop/productdetail.asp?recid=46 |
| 13:11.07 | morsing | Yay! http://www.danish-deli-food.com/ |
| 13:16.31 | JAV | afternoon |
| 13:18.16 | morsing | afternoon |
| 13:37.53 | mozrat | apparently ATI cards suck |
| 13:38.07 | mozrat | according to the helpful folk in #linux-gamers.net |
| 13:38.16 | mozrat | I believe them |
| 13:38.24 | JAV | mine works |
| 13:38.25 | JAV | :D |
| 13:38.32 | wethrin | I prefer ATI to nVidia |
| 13:38.41 | mozrat | Mine works but I can't get call of duty working |
| 13:38.50 | wethrin | Ha |
| 13:39.50 | mozrat | which means I have to reboot to participate in the great office "SSssh, the boss is away" LAN gaming-fest |
| 13:40.06 | JAV | 766 fps iirc my radeon 7500 |
| 13:41.09 | JAV | with xfree86 .... 450 |
| 13:44.16 | mozrat | JAV, I get a decent speed with glxgears on the open source driver |
| 13:44.23 | mozrat | but I can't play games with it |
| 13:44.32 | mozrat | anyway - not a biggie |
| 13:46.24 | JAV | and what game do you play at office? :D |
| 13:46.41 | mozrat | Call of Duty |
| 13:47.01 | mozrat | You're not my boss stalking me on IRC are you? |
| 13:47.32 | JAV | heh |
| 13:53.00 | rhowe | BAH |
| 13:53.12 | rhowe | $cow-worker has the cricket on, *with*sound* right next to me |
| 13:53.15 | Erwin | Kind of ironic, no? To waste company time on a game called "Call of Duty" |
| 13:54.19 | wethrin | rhowe: Listen to the cricket |
| 13:54.37 | rhowe | (he's streaming it) |
| 13:54.45 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:54.48 | wethrin | bad rhowe |
| 13:55.00 | rhowe | ipt_random should do well :) |
| 13:56.47 | wethrin | What's wrong with listening to cricket? |
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| 14:09.56 | rhowe | Trying to concentrate on C :) |
| 14:10.53 | wethrin | C sucks :) |
| 14:11.29 | rhowe | Not as much as what's written in it in front of me :) |
| 14:11.44 | rhowe | Two words... "Linux kernel" |
| 14:13.55 | wethrin | 'nuff sed |
| 14:18.26 | rhowe | heh, Hello Kitty fire extinguisher on boingboing.net |
| 14:27.26 | wethrin | WE'RE ALL DOOMED |
| 14:40.30 | wethrin | Gah. Barclays are fucking useless |
| 14:47.18 | morsing | Last login: Mon Sep 12 12:32:37 2005 from 195.190.132.207 |
| 14:48.21 | wethrin | hm? |
| 14:54.57 | Erwin | CAMELOT-NET |
| 14:55.02 | morsing | Eh? |
| 14:55.21 | Erwin | Well, it sounded like you were pasting some suspicious IP :) |
| 14:55.34 | morsing | Suspicious? Not really |
| 14:55.44 | wethrin | telnet to it and it'll give you next week's lottery numbers |
| 14:55.59 | morsing | Give me £100 and I'll give you the numbers |
| 14:56.13 | wethrin | Is there a money-back guarantee? |
| 14:56.31 | morsing | No |
| 14:56.37 | wethrin | Pah |
| 14:57.16 | morsing | <info@glyngore.dk>: |
| 14:57.16 | morsing | 207.126.147.11 does not like recipient. |
| 14:57.16 | morsing | Remote host said: 554 <info@glyngore.dk>: Relay access denied |
| 14:57.16 | morsing | Giving up on 207.126.147.11. |
| 14:57.22 | wethrin | Heh |
| 14:57.40 | morsing | Dodgy mailserver |
| 14:57.57 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.22 | wethrin | Heh |
| 14:59.47 | Erwin | Are you trying to get some herring? |
| 14:59.53 | morsing | Yes! |
| 15:00.11 | wethrin | Go to your local deli - they should have some |
| 15:00.15 | Erwin | Danish herring is terrible. Too sugary. |
| 15:00.27 | morsing | wethrin: They don't! |
| 15:00.36 | morsing | Erwin: No - it's perfect |
| 15:00.37 | Erwin | Get some decent Russian or Polish herring, with oil and lots of onions. |
| 15:00.39 | wethrin | Get a new local deli! |
| 15:00.41 | morsing | Mmm... herring |
| 15:00.45 | wethrin | Rollmops! |
| 15:00.54 | morsing | wethrin: eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwW! |
| 15:00.59 | wethrin | ew? |
| 15:01.08 | morsing | They are disgusting |
| 15:02.01 | wethrin | No more than any other fish |
| 15:02.09 | wethrin | And less so than cod |
| 15:02.12 | morsing | Danish herring is superb |
| 15:02.16 | wethrin | hah |
| 15:02.22 | morsing | Cod is quite tasteless |
| 15:02.59 | wethrin | What's the standard fish-n-chip-shop fish? |
| 15:03.31 | Erwin | I have no recommendation, but timeout had a guide -- http://www.timeout.com/london/restaurants/features/28.html |
| 15:07.25 | rhowe | I thought herring was a non-entity? |
| 15:07.31 | wethrin | Only if it's red |
| 15:07.34 | rhowe | Just a general term for white fish |
| 15:07.34 | wethrin | Like red diesel |
| 15:07.37 | rhowe | or something like that |
| 15:07.40 | wethrin | :) |
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| 15:10.27 | morsing | wethrin: Should I post this problem to postfix-users or postfix-devel? |
| 15:11.07 | wethrin | Yes! |
| 15:11.09 | wethrin | postfix-users |
| 15:15.58 | morsing | It says I have an invalid address |
| 15:21.31 | morsing | What does iU mean in dpkg -l? |
| 15:30.48 | morsing | eh-ub? |
| 15:37.44 | morsing | **** The address you supplied, [ henrik.morsing@camelotinteractive.com ] |
| 15:37.45 | morsing | **** does not seem to be a legal Internet address. |
| 15:37.46 | morsing | ?!? |
| 15:37.50 | morsing | I don't get it |
| 15:49.49 | rhowe | morsing: s/.*/<&>/ |
| 15:55.31 | morsing | Eh? |
| 15:55.34 | morsing | Not [] |
| 15:55.35 | morsing | ? |
| 16:00.32 | rhowe | morsing: Surround the email address in <>'s, perhaps? |
| 16:09.05 | rhowe | hm? |
| 16:09.37 | wethrin | It's just fun |
| 16:09.57 | rhowe | mm, houmus, chorizo and mustard bagel |
| 16:10.08 | wethrin | eeeenteresting |
| 16:10.19 | wethrin | I'm thinking of having a pizza tonight |
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| 18:29.56 | resuDaed | wethrin, you have a personal colo right? |
| 18:30.19 | resuDaed | (as in your machine, their rackspace) |
| 18:34.12 | resuDaed | ibot seen wethrin |
| 18:34.14 | ibot | wethrin is currently on #gllug #classiccmp. Has said a total of 184 messages. Is idling for 2h 23m 55s |
| 18:36.49 | wethrin | resuDaed: Yes |
| 18:37.21 | resuDaed | wethrin, how much do you pay (if you don't mind such a personal question) and for what exactly? |
| 18:37.35 | wethrin | www.exonetric.com - details prices |
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| 18:37.55 | wethrin | I can't remember exactly :) |
| 18:38.09 | wethrin | It's a touch over £400/year which gives me 1U rackspace with 40GB/month transfer |
| 18:38.13 | wethrin | In Telehouse |
| 18:38.22 | resuDaed | grr, but my box is 3u :-( |
| 18:38.33 | wethrin | I also have serial console and APC Masterswitch (but they cost to set up) |
| 18:38.44 | wethrin | Well, it's £29+VAT/U/month/40GB |
| 18:38.57 | wethrin | Get a 1U box :) |
| 18:39.03 | resuDaed | apparantly +15GBP/m per extra U for each host |
| 18:39.21 | resuDaed | so that would be 59GBP/mo, out of student budget |
| 18:39.33 | wethrin | Not really good |
| 18:39.36 | wethrin | Just get a 1U :) |
| 18:40.27 | resuDaed | but I already have my machine :-( |
| 18:40.34 | wethrin | Get a 1U case? :) |
| 18:40.36 | resuDaed | (Sun ultra2) |
| 18:40.51 | wethrin | Ah. There's one (I can't remember the name) which colos in Maidenhead quite cheaply |
| 18:41.00 | wethrin | But doesn't allow you to run an IRC server |
| 18:41.13 | wethrin | Poundhost is the name |
| 18:41.23 | resuDaed | dual 300Mz, 1536MB RAM and 2x SCSI HDD would seriously overheat in 1u |
| 18:41.46 | wethrin | Maybe. You get super-fast fans, though |
| 18:44.05 | resuDaed | at the moment, I have an effective heating system in my room (ss10,ultra5 and ultra2 atcked next to a dell poweredge 1300) |
| 18:44.17 | wethrin | hehe |
| 18:44.37 | resuDaed | a guaranteed 30 deg C in winter |
| 18:45.22 | resuDaed | I am looking at setting up a UML style hosting (similar to that of bytemark, although on a much smaller scale) to pay for the colo |
| 18:45.54 | resuDaed | (and if it picks up, my tuition fees and rent aswell, but I doubt it) |
| 18:46.54 | wethrin | You're not going to do that on a U2 |
| 18:49.26 | resuDaed | I know, but it would be a start, I could probably host maybe 4-6 hosts @ ~10/mo |
| 18:49.58 | wethrin | Does xen run on a U2? |
| 18:50.40 | resuDaed | not surew |
| 18:51.13 | resuDaed | I still havn't decided on a suitable distro to run it from |
| 18:51.17 | wethrin | Heh |
| 18:51.41 | resuDaed | (I was going to use debian 'sarge', but I the installer doesn't support software raid very nicley) |
| 18:52.10 | resuDaed | and my typing is disgraceful |
| 18:52.11 | wethrin | doesn't it? |
| 18:52.14 | wethrin | WFM |
| 18:53.14 | resuDaed | the partitioner in the installer doesn't allow me to set partition types to 0xfd and if I do it manually, it doesn't detect them |
| 18:54.37 | resuDaed | rc3 (tried others), netboot - sparc64? |
| 18:59.53 | rhowe | wethrin: Oh, the whisky I bought was Clynelish, btw :) |
| 18:59.57 | rhowe | wethrin: Didn't begin with S at all |
| 19:00.31 | wethrin | Heh. Was it nice, though? |
| 19:00.54 | rhowe | hm, it's OK |
| 19:01.32 | wethrin | hm |
| 19:01.42 | resuDaed | wethrin, can you do me a favour... log in to the installer and see if I have missed anything? |
| 19:02.10 | wethrin | Which installer? |
| 19:02.31 | resuDaed | the debian installer (I have ssh access to it, much faster than the serial line I also have) |
| 19:03.04 | wethrin | You should be able to do further setting up remotely :) |
| 19:03.38 | resuDaed | I have tried, but it always fails to work |
| 19:04.17 | wethrin | Got network, keyboard, timezone set up? |
| 19:05.52 | resuDaed | network ok, no keyboard, timezone will come later |
| 19:06.03 | wethrin | Partitions and filesystems? |
| 19:09.15 | resuDaed | my problem, machine currently has 2x 9.1GB SCSI HDDs ... I am trying to partition such that I have a 50MB type 0x83 partiton formatted with ex2 at the beginning of each disk, and a 9.(whatever is left) type 0xfd (linux raid autodetect) at the end of the disk set as Raid1 with xfs |
| 19:09.50 | resuDaed | when I use the installer, I don't have an option to use a partition as raid |
| 19:10.15 | wethrin | No? That seems quite broken. I'm sure it worked for me |
| 19:11.03 | resuDaed | not only that, if I manually set the partition types, and skip the step straigt in to the raid config part of the installer, it claims not to be able to see the any partitions |
| 19:11.29 | resuDaed | have tried different releases of the installer, missing from all |
| 19:12.04 | resuDaed | I have joined debian-sparc mailing list, and sent an email listing the above (in more detail) and not yet heard anything |
| 19:12.07 | wethrin | How strange. But you can always do that later |
| 19:12.36 | resuDaed | You mean just install as per usual, then convert to raid1 |
| 19:12.37 | resuDaed | ? |
| 19:12.49 | wethrin | Ahh. Hm. |
| 19:12.55 | wethrin | Point. Maybe not |
| 19:13.02 | wethrin | fdisk outside of the installer |
| 19:13.24 | resuDaed | tried it, the installer still doesn't detect the partitons as 0xfd |
| 19:13.51 | resuDaed | (OT: 0xfd looks like a l33t way of saying oxford) |
| 19:14.00 | wethrin | :-) |
| 19:14.11 | wethrin | Hm. It worked on x86 |
| 19:14.30 | resuDaed | same here, I've just never set it up on sparc* |
| 19:14.56 | wethrin | ahh |
| 19:21.45 | resuDaed | what is also confusing is that when the machine starts up, it always says Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet, then starts booting off of the network |
| 19:22.08 | resuDaed | it must have an incredibly low timeout period |
| 19:22.27 | wethrin | Yes |
| 19:23.13 | resuDaed | it is on the same physical hub as the arp/rarp server |
| 19:23.35 | resuDaed | (on a very low traffic hub) |
| 19:23.52 | wethrin | Odd |
| 19:25.20 | resuDaed | and the arp/rarp server is deffinatly awake, it renews dhcp licenses every 300 seconds for 8 hosts |
| 19:26.17 | wethrin | Hm |
| 19:28.21 | resuDaed | back to the colo, I may just have to host @ home and set up a directional antenta to steal uni wifi bandwidth :-) |
| 19:28.47 | wethrin | heh. Which Uni? |
| 19:30.27 | resuDaed | SHU (sheffield hallam), I leave wednesday week |
| 19:31.32 | wethrin | Heh. Where are you going to be living, then? |
| 19:32.33 | resuDaed | I was thinking sheffield would be a good first choice :-) the place I am looking at is just slightly up hill of the uni about 5 mins walk to train station, and 10 to uni |
| 19:32.47 | wethrin | Not bad |
| 19:33.02 | resuDaed | it comes with b/band, but probably hosted on Windoze 98 or XP or something |
| 19:33.19 | wethrin | aye |
| 19:33.55 | resuDaed | I was going to set up a h/ware firewall between me and them anyway, but maybe I could also host the internet connection |
| 19:34.30 | wethrin | You could. So you're doing a houseshare, then? |
| 19:35.08 | resuDaed | yeah, I feel too grown up for halls (and I am probably to late even if I wanted to) |
| 19:35.23 | wethrin | Heh. Halls have their uses |
| 19:35.39 | wethrin | Namely it means you're not going to be sharing a house with people who may be complete tossers |
| 19:35.45 | wethrin | Unless you know the people you're sharing with? |
| 19:36.57 | resuDaed | true, but it is only one year, and the current ratio (me excluded) is 80% female and 20% male, so the place has half a chance of being reasonably looked after |
| 19:37.19 | wethrin | Eeexcellent |
| 19:37.21 | wethrin | Are they single? :) |
| 19:38.05 | resuDaed | after the one year, I will probably find somewhere else (I am there for a total of 6), they will be gone in 2 anyway (second year students), so I can find my own housemates |
| 19:38.14 | wethrin | 6? So it's part-time? |
| 19:38.27 | resuDaed | full time |
| 19:38.36 | wethrin | so why 6? |
| 19:38.58 | resuDaed | I have a foundation year, 4 years BEng equivilent and 1 year MSc as an undergrad |
| 19:39.07 | resuDaed | s/MSc/MEng |
| 19:39.17 | wethrin | BEng should be 3 years |
| 19:39.27 | resuDaed | with one year work placement |
| 19:39.31 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 19:39.40 | wethrin | CompSci, or a real subject? :) |
| 19:39.42 | resuDaed | which I am thinking about |
| 19:39.52 | resuDaed | a real subject :-) |
| 19:40.43 | resuDaed | not enterly sure what speciallyity yet, but I still have time to decide |
| 19:41.03 | resuDaed | and I need to learn to type while thinking |
| 19:41.07 | wethrin | What subject, then? :) |
| 19:41.17 | resuDaed | maybe putting keyboard on desk and typing with two hands |
| 19:41.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:42.14 | resuDaed | orrigionally it was going to be electronic engineering, but I am having doubts as to a) the fun factor, and b) the career prospects as a 'real' engineer |
| 19:42.50 | resuDaed | computers (much as I love them) are taking the actual engineering bit out of that inductry faster than any other |
| 19:44.04 | wethrin | There's still a use for electronic engineers :) |
| 19:44.24 | wethrin | Specially in microsystems or organic electronics |
| 19:45.52 | resuDaed | but I'd rather get my hands dirty and build a really big powerful [something that involves metal, grease and heavy things] |
| 19:50.24 | wethrin | Oh. You want to be a mechanical engineer, then |
| 19:50.38 | resuDaed | possibly, that is what I am thinking about |
| 19:50.51 | wethrin | Hrm :-P |
| 19:51.48 | resuDaed | wethrin, take a look @ http://resudaed.no-ip.net:8080/pics/screenshots (and click on the only link in there) and tell me if that is where I should see the option to set a partition for use as raid? |
| 19:52.49 | resuDaed | ah, might want to make that with a trailing / |
| 19:53.05 | wethrin | 404 |
| 19:53.18 | resuDaed | see above |
| 19:53.23 | wethrin | 404 |
| 19:53.55 | resuDaed | 404 host not found or page not found or host found but cannot connect to :8080 |
| 19:54.40 | wethrin | The requested URL /pics/screenshots/ was not found on this server |
| 19:54.50 | wethrin | Apache/1.3.29 Server at bigbertha.engield.resudaed.com Port 80 |
| 19:55.01 | resuDaed | try from /pics/ |
| 19:55.22 | wethrin | 3 dirs in there |
| 19:55.37 | resuDaed | my bad, try without /pics |
| 19:55.43 | resuDaed | screenshots is in the / |
| 19:57.13 | wethrin | Hm |
| 19:57.23 | wethrin | Strange. I'm sure there was when I did it |
| 19:57.33 | resuDaed | thats what I woudl have tought |
| 19:57.48 | wethrin | Use LVM :) |
| 19:58.23 | resuDaed | lvm doesn't support mirroring does it? |
| 19:58.32 | resuDaed | (or do you mean raid on lvm |
| 19:58.36 | resuDaed | ) |
| 20:00.01 | rhowe | device mapper has a mirror target, but I don't think it works like you'd expect RAID to :) |
| 20:05.14 | wethrin | I don't know. agk knows about lvm |
| 20:05.51 | resuDaed | brb, switching to a nicer irc client |
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| 20:29.29 | wethrin | Back to using irssi? |
| 20:30.52 | resuDaed | bitchx :-) |
| 20:37.17 | wethrin | Eww |
| 20:41.28 | JAV | evening |
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| 20:56.51 | agk | y, don't use lvm mirroring for anything beyond 'pvmove' yet |
| 20:57.42 | agk | it works, but it's just not very robust if things go wrong like if you get disk errors |
| 21:18.40 | rhowe | agk! |
| 21:19.01 | rhowe | agk: I've been looking at some horrid kernel code with someone from .de :) |
| 21:19.07 | agk | yeah, I'm finally back after holidays and conferences... |
| 21:19.22 | rhowe | agk: The delightful cpqfc driver |
| 21:25.06 | agk | you're offering a talk about it for the next GLLUG? |
| 21:27.33 | wethrin | hi agk |
| 21:30.40 | agk | hi |
| 21:33.32 | rhowe | agk: heh, wasn't planning to.. I don't know anything about it, I just mess around with patches |
| 21:34.15 | agk | wethrin, that's not true. |
| 21:34.35 | agk | make it singular |
| 21:35.08 | wethrin | Well, yes :) |
| 21:35.09 | agk | and I'm looking for anyone who wants to do this sort of work, doesn't matter where they work |
| 21:38.40 | wethrin | Ah, so there's no application deadline, then? |
| 21:45.22 | agk | we've at least 3 vacancies at the moment |
| 21:46.23 | agk | no deadline - each application is assessed on its merits |
| 21:47.46 | wethrin | That's good, then. So do most people tend to work from home, or from RedHat Central? |
| 21:48.30 | agk | there's a requirement to work from a RH office - might be possible to waive it in certain cases |
| 21:48.47 | agk | so in the UK that's Guildford or Cambridge |
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| 21:50.07 | agk | on the website it says the jobs are based in Minneapolis, but working out of other offices are OK |
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| 21:56.30 | wethrin | Hm. I really should find a project to hack on to keep some programming going |
| 21:57.12 | psnl | wethrin: I could offer bad suggestions |
| 21:57.24 | wethrin | psnl: I know you could. But all your projects involve graphing things |
| 21:58.01 | psnl | all? |
| 21:58.09 | wethrin | most :) |
| 21:59.55 | psnl | one |
| 21:59.59 | wethrin | pff |
| 22:00.50 | wethrin | agk: Are you likely to be at any Gllug meetings if any are arranged in the next couple of months? |
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