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06:49.08mozratMorning
07:21.29Leedsafternoon
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07:37.35morsing'morning
07:37.45morsingWas there an earthquake last night?
07:39.43Leedsnot that I'm aware of...
07:39.55Leedsmight have been a little party going on in one or two places though
07:40.02morsingIt's not on earthquake.bgs.ac.uk either
07:40.14Leedswhy do you ask?
07:40.22morsingAre these common enough that it won't be reported?
07:40.40Leedsin the UK? unlikely
07:40.45morsingLeeds: I ask because there was an earthquake near or in Aylesbury
07:41.13Leedshow do you know?
07:41.21morsingMy house was shaking!
07:41.32morsingIt was around 3:10
07:41.45Leedsand you're sure it was an earthquake?
07:42.04mozratGrrr, stupid 419 scammers that don't leave valid return email addresses
07:42.10morsingI'm guessing it wasn't an elephant rubbing itself against my house
07:42.18mozrathow am I supposed to have fun with them if their mail bounces?
07:42.27morsingmozrat: Did you feel it?
07:42.30Leedsmozrat: can't you just call?
07:42.38Leedsmorsing: have you felt an earthquake before?
07:42.45morsingLeeds: No
07:42.46mozratmorsing: no, but my daughter woke up about that time, I wonder if she did
07:42.59mozratI'm a long way from Aylesbury though
07:42.59morsingmozrat: How old is she?
07:43.02mozratmorsing: 8
07:43.11LeedsI apparently slept through one once
07:43.18mozratLeeds, no phone number to call :(
07:43.27morsingHow quickly is the BGS site normally updated?
07:45.59Leedsdunno... lunchtime...
07:49.20morsinghttp://www.quakes.bgs.ac.uk/recbrit.html
08:15.41morsingI've sent them an email now. Their equipment must be faulty!
08:39.35morsingHow's everyone?
08:41.19morsingLeeds?
08:50.26Leedsback from lunch
08:51.02Leedspleasantly full of Indian and Sri Lankan food :-)
08:53.44Copehello
08:54.09morsingCope!
08:54.49Leedsafternoon Cope :-)
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09:00.57morsingkbsingh!
09:01.17kbsinghmorsing!
09:28.21Leedskbsingh: music
09:36.22rhoweWell, certainly not secure against MITM attacks
09:36.30wethrinrhowe: It's security through obscurity. In a good way
09:36.47rhowewethrin: Security through obfuscation, I'd say :)
09:36.58rhowewethrin: And it's trivially vulnerable to a replay attack.
09:37.13rhowewethrin: Use a OTP-type method of determining the ports to knock and I'd give it some credit
09:37.31wethrinrhowe: Yes, but most people aren't bothered with the effort of replay attacks
09:37.38wethrinYou have other problems if someone is that determined
09:42.57morsingbeer
09:43.22wethrinToo early!
09:43.37morsingcawfy
09:43.44wethrinYes
09:44.16wethrinAlthough I may not be able to have any
09:44.23wethrinDepends if our kettle is working or not
10:00.44morsingWhy does Parcelforce suck?
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10:04.33rhoweMaybe this will do what I want
10:04.40rhoweSince xterm doesn't
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10:05.57morsingwb
10:07.53wethrinthanks
10:07.58wethrinFreenode sucks!
10:14.37rhowewow, rxvt-unicode appears to rock
10:16.05wethrinHmm
10:19.35wethrin:)
10:19.38Leedsthere are better things than RH9, but there are much much worse... like domino on as/400 for example
10:20.03wethrinIndeed
10:20.15Leedsoh, and it's doing postfix, which is acceptibly unlike qmail, domino or exchange :-)
10:21.01Leedsto be fair, I shouldn't lump them together - qmail is far worse than the other two :-P
10:21.35morsingqmail sucks
10:21.44wethrinYOU SUCK </George>
10:25.50Leedsexcept this is where I start cursing webmin
10:29.01Leedsugh, sa 2.44
10:32.47Leedsargh, temptation... can create a new user with webmin, then ssh in... but I shouldn't
10:43.14morsinghttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180748/
10:43.14morsinghttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117407/
10:50.57wethrinheh
11:01.46rhowemm, tasty bagel
11:01.57rhowehoumus, chorizo and wholegrain mustard
11:03.48Leedsbagels and humous next week, back in HK :-)
11:06.11rhowechorizo not very Jewish though
11:06.18rhowes/Jewish/kosher/
11:06.33rhoweLeeds: Oh, and Nokia's predictive text seems to think Lewisham is Jewisham :P
11:08.05Leedshmm...
11:08.39rhoweNo definitions found for "jewisham"
11:08.48rhoweSo says the almighty dict
11:09.22rhoweLeeds: I've finally found a decent X terminal emulator. Full UTF8 support, Xft and rectangular selection
11:09.38rhoweRIP xterm
11:09.42Leedsreally...
11:09.49rhoweLeeds: Oh, and it's fast (unlike gnome-terminal)
11:10.07Leedsah, well, I'd never use an $DE-terminal
11:10.07rhoweLeeds: apt-get install rxvt-unicode-ml (oh, wait.. you don't use Debian, do you? :)
11:10.38Leedsdoes it have an easy way to change the font size on the fly?
11:10.39rhoweLeeds: gnome-terminal was the only one I found which actually did UTF8 and Xft sanely, but it's horribly slow
11:10.45rhoweLeeds: I think so..
11:10.49rhoweLeeds: Hm, lemme see
11:10.52Leedswithout having a menu bar!
11:11.00rhoweNo, no menu bar. Not even a context menu.
11:11.56rhoweChanging fonts (or font sizes, respectively) via the keypad is not yet supported in rxvt-unicode. Bug me if you need this.
11:12.18rhowe<PROTECTED>
11:12.21rhowe<PROTECTED>
11:12.29rhowerxvt-unicode will automatically re-apply these fonts to the output so far.
11:12.35rhowehm, so it does have a menubar..
11:13.34LeedsI really like being able to change font size on the fly in xterm... it does xft nicely enough nowadays... and I don't really need utf8 support in my terminal
11:14.01rhowexterm does xft, but it doesn't do xft at the same time as UTF8 very well (or I just haven't found the magic incantation)
11:14.24rhoweThere are a lot of font and encoding options and some of them seem to behave oddly in xft mode
11:15.18Leedshttp://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/renob/Sun.jpg was apparently spotted flying around a Dell campus in Texas :-)
11:17.26gregj<PROTECTED>
11:17.34rhowegregj: heh
11:17.45rhowegregj: dict knows :P
11:17.53rhowe<PROTECTED>
11:17.53rhowe<PROTECTED>
11:17.54gregj<PROTECTED>
11:18.03gregjbut I wanted you to tell me that :P
11:18.21rhowegregj: heh, well there you go
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11:18.34wethringregj: It's a vulgar term for a woman's pubic hair or genitals
11:18.46rhowegregj: Can also be used as derogatory slang when describing a person
11:18.52rhowegregj: e.g. You're a minge
11:19.02gregjthanks, ie so are you ;)
12:01.02morsinggregj: It's a vulgar term for a woman's pubic hair or genitals
12:07.13mozratgregj is a vulgar term?????
12:08.40JAVgood afternoon
12:15.52gregjyes I am
12:25.05morsingMoo
12:26.01Leedsfoo
12:26.14Leedsyo, moofoo!
12:29.07morsingEh?
12:29.16morsingBMWs suck
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12:48.50Copeibot change l litre to gallons
12:48.54Copeno
12:49.15morsingCope: It's 8 pints
12:49.16Copeibot convert l litre to gallons
12:49.21Leedsibot convert 1 litre to gallon
12:49.39Leedsibot convert 1 liter to gallon
12:49.57morsingibot: Are you american?
12:49.59Leedsof course that doesn't tell you which gallon it's talking about
12:49.59Copeibot convert 1 gallon to liter
12:50.08morsingCope: That's US gallons
12:50.20morsing1 gallon is 4.544l
12:50.28Copeibot convert 45 litre to gallon
12:50.38Leedsibot convert 1 liter to imperial gallon
12:50.51Leedswow, didn't expect that to work :-)
12:51.15Copeibot convert 45 liter to gallon
12:51.26Copeibot convert 45 liter to imperial gallon
12:51.34LeedsCope: doing the petrol price calculation?
12:52.17Copeibot change 45 UKP to USD
12:52.25Copefuck off
12:52.29LeedsGBP
12:56.53Copeibot change 45 GBP to USD
12:57.03Erwinlol
12:57.56Copeibot 82/11.88
12:57.59ibot6.902356902357
12:58.15Leeds11.88?
12:58.23Erwinibot convert 1 tsp to dl
12:58.28Copeyes - americans use american measures?
12:58.35Leedsah!
12:59.17Erwinibot convert 1 tsp to deciliter
12:59.31Leedsibot convert 1 nm to parsec
12:59.35Erwinibot convert 1 tsp to exaliter
13:00.13Leedsibot convert 1 heathen to jesus
13:00.14ErwinGood. That will be useful when I have no spoons but just an exaliter jug.
13:01.26Copeibot convert jesus to islam
13:01.41Erwinibot convert void* to char*
13:01.52Leedsibot teach the world to sing
13:02.20CopeErwin: do you work in docklands as well as live?
13:03.15morsingibot sucks
13:03.17ibotLook who's talking
13:03.23ErwinCope: In California, actually. Quite a commute.
13:04.11ErwinCope: Really. I telecommute, though visit them occasionally.
13:04.14LeedsErwin: you're on a cruise... in your office?
13:05.18Copelol - who was the last english person to fuck an ozzie and bring back the ashes?
13:05.36Cope...
13:05.46CopePaula Yates :-)
13:06.02Leedshmm... heh
13:06.02ErwinLeeds: On a cruise?
13:06.17LeedsErwin: in your office, yes
13:07.47LeedsErwin: I bet you get weirder things than me with your breakfast cereal
13:08.21Leedsanyway, hometime... I may be back, if I can get the dial-up working at home
13:25.37mozratCope, *groan* at the joke :)
13:41.04wethrinhello
13:41.17morsinghello
13:41.20wethrinhello
13:41.43morsinghello
13:42.10wethrinhello
13:42.52morsingStop it
13:43.38wethrinTidyup
14:10.45Copemozrat: why?
14:10.52Copegah
14:10.56Copemorsing person
14:11.36morsingCope: I've only tried using it 3-4 times but it's always filled with minor and some major error
14:11.39morsings
14:11.47wethrinmorsing: Correct it :)
14:11.50morsingIncluding the info on danish food I just read
14:12.07morsingwethrin: So the person who wrote it can correct it back?
14:12.15morsingI'm not going to start a war
14:12.18Copelol
14:12.26wethrinmorsing: Yes :)
14:12.31Copehello wethrin
14:12.36wethrinHI COPE
14:12.44morsingSomething like wikipedia is just never going to work
14:12.52Copeerm
14:13.17Copethese things called wheels - they'll never catch on
14:13.34Copewikipedia is awesome :-)
14:13.37morsingIt has caught on - that's the scary thing
14:13.48Copeindeed
14:13.49morsingCope: Awesome but incorrect
14:14.00Copemorsing: often corrected, though
14:14.15Copeit does self-correct - and you rarely see arguments
14:14.40Copeeg if you changed the food stuff, you could easily explain why
14:23.33Copehmmm
14:24.13Copeerror while loading shared libraries: libdistc++.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
14:24.23wethrinDon't use C++
14:24.27wethrinIt's bad for you
14:24.34Copethe program is written in c++
14:24.44Copewhat do you reckon will provide libdistc++
14:24.44wethrinDon't use it :)
14:24.51wethrindistcc ?
14:25.15wethrinDoesn't the documentation say what libraries are required?
14:27.18Copenever seen this problem before - will see what the docs say
14:42.41morsingwethrin  pts/2    eng9199.dur.ac.u Mon13   25:01m  0.02s  0.02s -bash
14:43.28ErwinIn what, debian?
14:44.35wethrinmorsing: That's me
14:44.58morsingwethrin: I know. You forgot to ;ogout and I forgot to set a timeout :-)
14:45.04wethrinhehe
14:45.08morsings/;ougout/lougout/
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15:07.29mozrathello ebbeyes
15:08.12morsingebbeyes!
15:33.32wethrinUrghl
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15:41.59morsingUrghl?
15:43.37wethrinUrghl
15:43.43morsingEy-up?
15:44.13wethrinE!
15:56.03wethrinBEER
15:56.07wethrinbeery beer
16:07.29morsingTuborg!
16:08.02wethrinIt's all Carlsberg
16:08.28morsingMmm... but still different
16:08.36morsingTuborg Red Label
16:08.37wethrinMeh :)
16:08.43morsingYes it is
16:08.52wethrin:
16:08.53wethrin:)
16:09.13morsinghttp://www.axelsen.mobilixnet.dk/html/beer/tuborg/rod.html
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21:01.51mozratHow long have I been gone?
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21:16.27z00daxis that what you were looking for ?
21:16.56mozratyes
21:16.58mozratthanks
21:17.35mozratIf Bush is on the news right now saying he takes full responsibility for the Katrina fiasco and the head of FEMA has resigned
21:17.45mozratwhy hasn't Bush resigned?
21:21.05z00daxcause daddy didnt' say he could
21:23.41mozratahh
21:25.50z00daxsomehow ... Bush dosent seem to be the resigning kinda guy . Someone had to go. Someone did.
21:26.31mozratthen I'm surprised he chose to admit "the buck stops here" when some other guy resigned
21:27.07mozratmaybe he should ask his electorate if they think he should resign - although having said that the majority love him
21:37.51z00daxis it still a majority ?
21:38.00z00daxor is that a majority of some segments
21:39.43gregjibot change 1560 EUR to PLN
21:39.59mozratwell a "majority" that voted him back into office.. a bigger majority than the first time
21:40.12mozrat(when the majority was actually a minority :)
21:40.15gregjibot change 140170 EUR to PLN
21:41.37gregjibot 115000 EUR to PLN
21:42.39z00daxbtw guys, my laptop went through a meltdown, and is now a laptop-no-more, looking for AMD64's out there... any recommends ?
21:42.53gregjibot change 115000 EUR to PLN
21:46.52mozratunlucky z00dax :(
21:47.09mozratFetching message headers... [8770/15378]
21:47.14mozratvery slow
21:47.16mozratgrr
21:47.25z00daxis that a day's spamtrap ?
21:47.35mozratno - it's 4 months of mail
21:47.56mozratI need to archive it off - this is from muttng (over VPN I admit)
21:48.12mozratbut Evolution on the LAN is taking 5 minutes+ to start up
21:48.21mozratwhich isn't very acceptable
21:49.51z00dax5 min ?
21:50.01z00daxmy grandpa used to have a computer like that as well...
21:51.21mozratyes
21:51.32mozratIt's IMAP
21:51.41z00daxuse MozMail
21:51.44mozratnot a local mail spool
21:52.55z00daxs/MozMail/Mozilla Mail - or thunderbird /
21:53.05z00daxdo you have spamassassin running under Evo ?
21:53.37mozratError opening mailbox
21:53.39mozratbah
21:53.41mozratno
21:54.08mozratz00dax: tried Thunderbird - it wasn't bad but I didn't quite like it
21:54.49z00daxme neither, I am sticking with Mozilla Mail, have had my email over IMAP for a few years now - and its been good to me.
21:56.28mozratimap is goodness
21:56.54z00daxCyrus-imap is goodness++
21:57.43mozratCourier IMAP is slightly less goodness but good nonetheless
21:57.53mozratI like the simplicity of Maildir/
21:58.03mozratit's been handy for me in the past
21:58.23mozratlike quickly finding individual emails from the shell
21:58.37mozratcyrus uses some database layer correct?
21:58.41z00daxyea
21:59.22mozratI know that Cyrus is a better IMAP server featurewise
21:59.43z00daxfor some reason, all rolled into one solution of Courier .... makes me a bit uncomfortable... been a sendmail user for long ( now drifting to exim )
22:00.33mozratexplain "all rolled into one"?
22:01.15mozratit seems more modular to me
22:01.24z00daxit tries to do everything
22:01.33mozratyou can deliver into ~/Maildir/ using whichever MDA you like
22:01.37z00daxsure, it would be, since its all fitting around the same framework
22:02.23mozrathmm
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22:07.12stephanbevenin
22:07.33z00daxhey stephanb
22:09.00stephanbhey
22:09.22mozratenough for me
22:09.27stephanbi am testing my broadband router
22:09.29mozrathello/goodbye stephen
22:09.36stephanbbye mozrat
22:09.40mozratgoodbye z00dax
22:09.40z00daxcya mozrat
22:09.47mozratnn
22:09.56z00daxstephanb, i guess it works ... :)
22:10.23stephanbz00dax: so far so good
22:10.35z00daxwhat router is it ?
22:10.39stephanbthe real test will be with gnomemeeting ;-)
22:10.53stephanbD-link 504T
22:11.10z00daxcool
22:11.11stephanbit's actually a linux based router
22:11.29stephanbnot that i can change anyting with that...
22:12.33stephanbanyway, time for bed now
22:12.35z00daxstill, makes for good geek value
22:13.05stephanboh yeah, i hava an "all linux" home now :-)
22:15.20stephanbcu l8r
22:15.26stephanbbye everybody !
22:15.29z00daxbubye
22:15.40z00daxland!
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