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01:16.15z00dax<hic> so no-one came over then ?
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07:41.38morsing'morning
08:15.02new2unixmoin all.
08:16.59new2unixthe Guardian digital edition is free
08:17.44new2unixuntill the 26/09/05
08:19.17morsingAnyone know how I can install a .deb without it's dependancies?
08:22.57new2unixsorry. havent used debian in almost 3years.
08:23.45morsingGood for you ;-)
08:27.56new2unixmy win32 binaries work just fine here. hah j/k
09:15.58z00daxmorsing, isnt a .deb something like a cpio bundle ?
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09:33.30mozratmorning leeds
09:33.58mozratmorsing dpkg -i --force-nodeps foo.deb
09:34.06mozrator something like that
09:34.23mozratthere are a whole load of --force options to dpkg
09:43.22Leedsafternoon all, mozrat
10:04.07Leedshttp://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan?entry=a_simple_request_to_sun
10:25.20Leedsand now hometime... bye
10:25.23z00daxSome of the new Sun servers look and sound quite interesting, specially at those prices. I can well imagine Dell having a few hicups
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12:17.06Copeanyone around?
12:17.10Copeooh hello wethrin
12:17.13wethrineep
12:17.16wethrinhe's found me
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12:18.11wethrinwhazzzup?
12:18.30wethrinCope: I finally got my own cupboard in the kitchen! Now the shelf in my room looks horribly empty
12:23.06wethrinSomeone decide for me!
12:25.24z00daxbtw, at the pub yesterday - saw a bunch of guys wearing ThinkGeek T-shirts
12:25.38z00daxthought they might be gllug'ers - so went over and spoke to them
12:25.53wethrinmmm?
12:26.15z00daxturned out to be the Microsoft StreamingMedia Consulting group
12:26.35z00daxwe thrashed thier a$$ at pool :)
12:26.42wethrinHehehe. See, even MS has geeks
12:26.42wethrinDid any Glluggers turn up?
12:26.56ErwinI saw this ancient American guy selling cell phones in an internet cafe, wearing a "fsck linux" t-shirt. It was probably Theo De Raadt.
12:27.07z00daxwethrin, nope ( well, none that i spoke to )
12:27.17z00daxlol
12:27.19wethrinErwin: Theo's South African living in Canada
12:27.28wethrinah well. Maybe it was a bit far for them to trek
12:28.05z00daxwethrin, possible. maybe also very short notice
12:28.20wethrinHm. Central London is often better for very short notice
12:29.50z00daxI wonder if anything is planned around the LinuxWorld time ?
12:29.55Copez00dax: I would normally (well this last 2 years) be at the Spinny on a friday night
12:30.01Copebut yesterday I was in hampstead
12:30.15Copecouldn't really get back over in time
12:30.31Copeand alas, as of next week my office is moving to old street
12:30.33z00daxCope, ah, no worries - we'll do something again soon'ish
12:30.52wethrinz00dax: Yes. Lonix.
12:31.07wethrinCope: Old Street isn't so bad
12:31.14wethrinApart from being on the Northern Line
12:31.28wethrinBut in about 2 hours you can get to the city
12:31.34Copenow... quick question; why might a 2.2 kernel complain about needing a 'new' version of genksyms? I'm on a new centos 4.1 box, trying to install a 2.2 kernel (don't ask why!)
12:31.36wethrinOr 10 minutes by cab
12:32.30Copehrm... because I only have 2.6 kernel headers?
12:33.22wethrincouldbe
12:34.44ErwinIt may just run genkeysyms and say the version is not new enough, assuming a failure is only that.
12:35.57Copehmm
12:36.15Copewell all I've done is get the 2.2.26 source, done make oldconfig and tried a make dep
12:36.34Copethis may be a bit over simplistic, but I've never tried moving down kernel versions manually before
12:39.07z00daxI dont really remember much about 2.2 anyway :) its a vague memory from the dark ages
12:39.36z00daxdark ages = there was much alcohol in my life then :)
12:40.24Cope:0)
12:40.34Copewell $client has asked for a 2.2.26 kernel
12:40.43Copeon latest centos
12:40.51Copewhich is on 2.6.11 I think
12:41.09gregj:]
12:41.44Copethis actually highlights how long ago I did any kernel messing - with debian its *too* easy, and last I did it it was 2.4 -> 2.6 under slackware, and that was easy.
12:41.48z00daxyes, 2.6.9-11 so far, will move to 2.6.9-17+ soon'ish
12:42.12Copeso, from first principles.. what am I going to need?
12:42.50wethrinLots and lots of coffee
12:43.01z00daxwould 2.2 play nice with udev ?
12:44.04Erwinwell, find an older genkeysyms, modify $PATH to put a /usr/bin/stupid-old-linux/ first, and stick it there
12:47.13Copez00dax: I am wondering this
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13:16.05morsingHm...
13:31.38wethrinYar?
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15:31.29Copehrm
16:55.48Cope:-/
17:00.23wethrinnew2unix: Did you meet up with Keith who posted to Social?
17:03.13Copehello
17:04.03wethrinHello. I saw you leave #lbw
17:04.17wethrinSo I know you're around :-)
17:04.47CopeI am around - just rationalising irssi windows
17:05.03CopeI've been for a bicycle ride!
17:06.14wethrinWoohoo!
17:07.35CopeBut I've decided I need to do some serious reading about how redhat manages kernels etc - as I have totally failed to get any vanilla kernel working so far... probably because my /boot partition is under lvm control
17:08.13Copetypical - you rely on vendor-issued kernels - no problem; as soon as you start to think for yourself... trouble!
17:14.44wethrinYup
17:14.46wethrinUse LFS :)
17:15.42wethrinI stopped using RedHat at v.9, and stopped building kernels on a RedHat system around v. 5.something
17:19.29gregjredhat has long history of breaking up stuff and doing it "my way" that isn't quite the way rest of the world took
17:20.29gregjI advice you to use the only sane distro out there
17:20.54Copethat really isn't the answer
17:21.05Copethe answer is to understand what is happening and how to change it
17:21.11gregjsure
17:21.26gregjso, there is part of distro that kernel calls on configure and build
17:21.28Copeif I wanted an easy life, I'd just use debian, which is what I do on most of my machines.
17:21.42gregjand if this part is b0rked or not present, you're in trouble
17:21.49gregjthe only distro that got it right is debian
17:22.20wethrinPah. You used to be a Slackware person
17:22.26CopeSlackware is cool.
17:22.32gregjslackware sux badly
17:22.44CopeI learned a lot from slackware
17:22.56gregjthe esiest way to bring chaos to your computer is by installing slackware
17:23.04Copeand if I was running slackware on this particular machine, I'd have no problem with kernels
17:23.04gregjsure,it's nice for learner, but not in production
17:26.18Copewhere does system.map come from?
17:27.29wethringregj is Martin Brook AICMFP
17:29.18gregjAICMFP ?
17:29.27gregjspeak english :>
17:29.39gregjCope: ldd ?
17:31.40Copegregj: ?!
17:32.50gregjCope: man ldd ;)
17:32.57gregjCope: that's address map of kernel
17:33.13gregjas far as I know at least
17:35.25wethrinAnd I Claim My Five Pounds
17:40.48gregjibot google for Martin Brook
17:41.49gregjibot ping
17:41.50ibotpong
17:42.40wethrin~google foo
17:43.22gregj~google wethrin is wet dream
17:43.28gregjibot can you google?
17:43.30wethrin:-)
17:43.50gregjibot: google dude
17:44.00gregjibot: wake up !
17:44.01ibotup !: GOOD MORNING!!!
17:44.13gregjibot: w*** :P
17:44.36mozratwash?
17:44.40mozratibot wash
17:44.45gregjnah
17:44.49mozratoooh
17:44.53gregjI wouldn't cover wash in asterisks ;)
17:44.53mozratibot wink
17:44.54ibotACTION winks at mozrat
17:45.01mozratthere you go!
17:45.03gregjnot a wink either, think w word
17:45.19gregjpoof
17:45.24mozrat:)
17:45.31wethrinhm
17:46.02mozratwow - a 40GB hard drive just is not big enough
17:46.17gregjnope it isn't
17:46.26wethrinI have 1.3TB usable
17:46.29wethrinSoon it won't be enough
17:46.40wethrinI want to extend RAID5 arrays!
17:46.59gregjplease...
17:49.09wethrinno idea
17:49.44mozratyou don't have to say please - we don't mind you buying a cheap blade server
17:49.47mozratgo nuts
17:50.07wethrinDon't mind if I do!
17:50.19wethrin*sigh* Food will take too long to cook
17:50.20gregjI just ask for info
17:50.21gregjplease
17:50.22gregj:]
17:50.28gregjyeah, me calls for pizza
17:50.35wethrin:-)
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18:33.28wethrinboh
18:37.31Copepah
18:38.24wethrinBut I shall be having haggis
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18:43.13Copeyum
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18:56.15Copehello AngelChild
18:56.56AngelChildheyo thar :)
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19:24.59Copemorsing!
19:29.53morsingThanks :-)
19:47.54gregjhttp://gj.pointblue.com.pl/fun/newminimac.jpg
19:47.55gregj;]
19:48.17gregjsmp version
19:48.18gregj;]
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19:48.55gregjwethrin: mam minimaka, i calkiem sie dobrze sprawuje, do desktopowych rzeczy...
19:49.08gregjwethrin: btw, na obrazku jest MOJ minimak
19:49.16wethrin:-)
19:49.21wethrinto dobrze
19:50.38gregjwethrin: nie ukrywam ze wolalbym g5 thou
19:50.58wethrinMmmmm. G5
19:51.20gregjyeah, next month maybe...
19:51.30wethrinGood plan
19:51.31gregjbut I'll rather buy some shitty car
19:51.36gregjor blade server...
19:51.37gregj:P
19:51.40wethrinMmmmm
19:56.04Cope/dev/cciss/c0d0p3 on / type ext3 (rw)
19:56.04Copenone on /proc type proc (rw)
19:56.04Copenone on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
19:56.04Cope/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)
19:56.04Cope/dev/cciss/c0d0p7 on /local type ext3 (rw)
19:56.06Copenone on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
19:56.09Cope/dev/cciss/c0d0p6 on /tmp type ext3 (rw)
19:56.11Cope/dev/cciss/c0d0p5 on /var type ext3 (rw)/hhh
19:56.14Copesorry
19:56.52wethrinYou're better be!
19:57.00wethrinUsing Solaris device names like that
19:57.42gregj;]
19:57.46gregjsolaris sux
19:57.55gregjbetter than me vacume
19:59.15wethrinheh
20:00.52Copeumm - that's linux using compaq smart arraus
20:01.00wethrinHahahah :-)
20:01.21Copeits all gone horribly wrong
20:01.22wethrinGo to the pub
20:01.27Copeand I've been asked to fix it
20:01.35wethrinTell them to fuck off :-)
20:01.40Copedespite it being my day off, and me having drubk 1/2 a bottle of win
20:01.52wethrinOnly 1/2?
20:01.56Copeyeah
20:02.03Copemount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/pool/gfs0,
20:02.04Cope<PROTECTED>
20:02.14Copeis what I get when I try to mount the gfs filesystem
20:02.24wethrinOh dear.
20:23.33CopeYOU FUCKING DANCER!
20:23.38Cope(fixed it)
20:24.31wethrinhm?
20:24.35wethrinWhat did you do?
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22:54.12BlaptoHi
22:57.38wethrinhi
23:03.25BlaptoHi there
23:04.14wethrinAny recommendations for a *simple* but configurable photo gallery in PHP?
23:04.29BlaptoGallery is fairly simple
23:04.42BlaptoTrivial if you have imagemagick installed and actual control over the server.
23:05.06wethrinI don't have control over the server
23:05.14BlaptoI'll host it for you if you want
23:05.16wethrinAnd I want something which I don't have to bother programming
23:05.22wethrinNope. Has to be done at durham
23:05.27wethrinOtherwise I have my own server :-)
23:05.36Blaptoyou don't have to program it, just it needs NetPBM/Imagemagick binaries
23:05.37wethrinBut iPhoto exports things very nicely for my liking
23:06.02wethrinImagemagick no existy
23:06.08Blaptonetpbm?
23:06.15BlaptoAnd do you have chmod +x ability?
23:06.19wethrinYes
23:06.32Blaptoyou should be able to install netpbm then and it will work
23:06.34wethrinWhat's a binary that comes with netpbm? netpbm?
23:06.45Blaptohttp://netpbm.sourceforge.net/
23:07.06BlaptoBinaries have worked for me in the past
23:07.09wethrinYes, that's there
23:07.19Blaptotry out gallery then
23:07.28BlaptoSample install of 1.x at www.millerphotography.co.uk
23:07.45wethrinWell, I don't actually know if it's on the webserver or not
23:08.12BlaptoIf you have MySQL, Coppermine isn't bad
23:08.21Blaptohttp://coppermine-gallery.net/index.php
23:08.29wethrinI do, but I'd prefer to not use it for this :)
23:09.17wethringah. Looks overly complicated
23:09.25BlaptoIt's easier than you think
23:09.33wethrinHeh
23:09.59BlaptoIn my case it was a 15 minute install and I'd never done it before
23:10.14BlaptoAnd I had to get around some php security stuff.
23:10.19wethrinokay....
23:11.06BlaptoHow's the PhD going
23:11.33wethrinHahahahahhaa :)
23:11.44wethrinI'm stuck with writing a 1st-year report at the moment
23:12.04BlaptoI swear you've been at it more than a year?
23:13.03wethrinNope
23:13.07wethrinWent up here in October
23:13.19BlaptoAh, ok
23:17.49wethrinAhh.....I think Durham runs PHP in safe mode
23:18.47Blaptojust move netpbm binaries into your userspace then
23:19.22wethrinHmm
23:30.19BlaptoI think some sleep is in order
23:30.39BlaptoNight
23:30.53wethrinnn!
23:31.00Blaptoyou got gallery sorted?
23:31.05wethrinnot yet. Just untarred it
23:31.20Blaptook
23:31.36Blaptobtw, it's not at it's most secure
23:31.41wethrinNot my problem
23:31.50Blaptoyou might want to look through it and change some permissions.
23:32.03BlaptoI think they do tell you which to change though
23:33.43wethrinOkay
23:35.41wethrinAh, fuck it. I can't be bothered with hunting all the permissions
23:36.03wethrinHm
23:37.06wethrinWell. PHP definitely runs in safe mode on the Durham servers
23:37.10wethrinSo that's out, then

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