01:16.15 | z00dax | <hic> so no-one came over then ? |
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07:41.38 | morsing | 'morning |
08:15.02 | new2unix | moin all. |
08:16.59 | new2unix | the Guardian digital edition is free |
08:17.44 | new2unix | untill the 26/09/05 |
08:19.17 | morsing | Anyone know how I can install a .deb without it's dependancies? |
08:22.57 | new2unix | sorry. havent used debian in almost 3years. |
08:23.45 | morsing | Good for you ;-) |
08:27.56 | new2unix | my win32 binaries work just fine here. hah j/k |
09:15.58 | z00dax | morsing, isnt a .deb something like a cpio bundle ? |
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09:33.30 | mozrat | morning leeds |
09:33.58 | mozrat | morsing dpkg -i --force-nodeps foo.deb |
09:34.06 | mozrat | or something like that |
09:34.23 | mozrat | there are a whole load of --force options to dpkg |
09:43.22 | Leeds | afternoon all, mozrat |
10:04.07 | Leeds | http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan?entry=a_simple_request_to_sun |
10:25.20 | Leeds | and now hometime... bye |
10:25.23 | z00dax | Some of the new Sun servers look and sound quite interesting, specially at those prices. I can well imagine Dell having a few hicups |
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12:17.06 | Cope | anyone around? |
12:17.10 | Cope | ooh hello wethrin |
12:17.13 | wethrin | eep |
12:17.16 | wethrin | he's found me |
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12:18.11 | wethrin | whazzzup? |
12:18.30 | wethrin | Cope: I finally got my own cupboard in the kitchen! Now the shelf in my room looks horribly empty |
12:23.06 | wethrin | Someone decide for me! |
12:25.24 | z00dax | btw, at the pub yesterday - saw a bunch of guys wearing ThinkGeek T-shirts |
12:25.38 | z00dax | thought they might be gllug'ers - so went over and spoke to them |
12:25.53 | wethrin | mmm? |
12:26.15 | z00dax | turned out to be the Microsoft StreamingMedia Consulting group |
12:26.35 | z00dax | we thrashed thier a$$ at pool :) |
12:26.42 | wethrin | Hehehe. See, even MS has geeks |
12:26.42 | wethrin | Did any Glluggers turn up? |
12:26.56 | Erwin | I saw this ancient American guy selling cell phones in an internet cafe, wearing a "fsck linux" t-shirt. It was probably Theo De Raadt. |
12:27.07 | z00dax | wethrin, nope ( well, none that i spoke to ) |
12:27.17 | z00dax | lol |
12:27.19 | wethrin | Erwin: Theo's South African living in Canada |
12:27.28 | wethrin | ah well. Maybe it was a bit far for them to trek |
12:28.05 | z00dax | wethrin, possible. maybe also very short notice |
12:28.20 | wethrin | Hm. Central London is often better for very short notice |
12:29.50 | z00dax | I wonder if anything is planned around the LinuxWorld time ? |
12:29.55 | Cope | z00dax: I would normally (well this last 2 years) be at the Spinny on a friday night |
12:30.01 | Cope | but yesterday I was in hampstead |
12:30.15 | Cope | couldn't really get back over in time |
12:30.31 | Cope | and alas, as of next week my office is moving to old street |
12:30.33 | z00dax | Cope, ah, no worries - we'll do something again soon'ish |
12:30.52 | wethrin | z00dax: Yes. Lonix. |
12:31.07 | wethrin | Cope: Old Street isn't so bad |
12:31.14 | wethrin | Apart from being on the Northern Line |
12:31.28 | wethrin | But in about 2 hours you can get to the city |
12:31.34 | Cope | now... quick question; why might a 2.2 kernel complain about needing a 'new' version of genksyms? I'm on a new centos 4.1 box, trying to install a 2.2 kernel (don't ask why!) |
12:31.36 | wethrin | Or 10 minutes by cab |
12:32.30 | Cope | hrm... because I only have 2.6 kernel headers? |
12:33.22 | wethrin | couldbe |
12:34.44 | Erwin | It may just run genkeysyms and say the version is not new enough, assuming a failure is only that. |
12:35.57 | Cope | hmm |
12:36.15 | Cope | well all I've done is get the 2.2.26 source, done make oldconfig and tried a make dep |
12:36.34 | Cope | this may be a bit over simplistic, but I've never tried moving down kernel versions manually before |
12:39.07 | z00dax | I dont really remember much about 2.2 anyway :) its a vague memory from the dark ages |
12:39.36 | z00dax | dark ages = there was much alcohol in my life then :) |
12:40.24 | Cope | :0) |
12:40.34 | Cope | well $client has asked for a 2.2.26 kernel |
12:40.43 | Cope | on latest centos |
12:40.51 | Cope | which is on 2.6.11 I think |
12:41.09 | gregj | :] |
12:41.44 | Cope | this actually highlights how long ago I did any kernel messing - with debian its *too* easy, and last I did it it was 2.4 -> 2.6 under slackware, and that was easy. |
12:41.48 | z00dax | yes, 2.6.9-11 so far, will move to 2.6.9-17+ soon'ish |
12:42.12 | Cope | so, from first principles.. what am I going to need? |
12:42.50 | wethrin | Lots and lots of coffee |
12:43.01 | z00dax | would 2.2 play nice with udev ? |
12:44.04 | Erwin | well, find an older genkeysyms, modify $PATH to put a /usr/bin/stupid-old-linux/ first, and stick it there |
12:47.13 | Cope | z00dax: I am wondering this |
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13:16.05 | morsing | Hm... |
13:31.38 | wethrin | Yar? |
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15:31.29 | Cope | hrm |
16:55.48 | Cope | :-/ |
17:00.23 | wethrin | new2unix: Did you meet up with Keith who posted to Social? |
17:03.13 | Cope | hello |
17:04.03 | wethrin | Hello. I saw you leave #lbw |
17:04.17 | wethrin | So I know you're around :-) |
17:04.47 | Cope | I am around - just rationalising irssi windows |
17:05.03 | Cope | I've been for a bicycle ride! |
17:06.14 | wethrin | Woohoo! |
17:07.35 | Cope | But I've decided I need to do some serious reading about how redhat manages kernels etc - as I have totally failed to get any vanilla kernel working so far... probably because my /boot partition is under lvm control |
17:08.13 | Cope | typical - you rely on vendor-issued kernels - no problem; as soon as you start to think for yourself... trouble! |
17:14.44 | wethrin | Yup |
17:14.46 | wethrin | Use LFS :) |
17:15.42 | wethrin | I stopped using RedHat at v.9, and stopped building kernels on a RedHat system around v. 5.something |
17:19.29 | gregj | redhat has long history of breaking up stuff and doing it "my way" that isn't quite the way rest of the world took |
17:20.29 | gregj | I advice you to use the only sane distro out there |
17:20.54 | Cope | that really isn't the answer |
17:21.05 | Cope | the answer is to understand what is happening and how to change it |
17:21.11 | gregj | sure |
17:21.26 | gregj | so, there is part of distro that kernel calls on configure and build |
17:21.28 | Cope | if I wanted an easy life, I'd just use debian, which is what I do on most of my machines. |
17:21.42 | gregj | and if this part is b0rked or not present, you're in trouble |
17:21.49 | gregj | the only distro that got it right is debian |
17:22.20 | wethrin | Pah. You used to be a Slackware person |
17:22.26 | Cope | Slackware is cool. |
17:22.32 | gregj | slackware sux badly |
17:22.44 | Cope | I learned a lot from slackware |
17:22.56 | gregj | the esiest way to bring chaos to your computer is by installing slackware |
17:23.04 | Cope | and if I was running slackware on this particular machine, I'd have no problem with kernels |
17:23.04 | gregj | sure,it's nice for learner, but not in production |
17:26.18 | Cope | where does system.map come from? |
17:27.29 | wethrin | gregj is Martin Brook AICMFP |
17:29.18 | gregj | AICMFP ? |
17:29.27 | gregj | speak english :> |
17:29.39 | gregj | Cope: ldd ? |
17:31.40 | Cope | gregj: ?! |
17:32.50 | gregj | Cope: man ldd ;) |
17:32.57 | gregj | Cope: that's address map of kernel |
17:33.13 | gregj | as far as I know at least |
17:35.25 | wethrin | And I Claim My Five Pounds |
17:40.48 | gregj | ibot google for Martin Brook |
17:41.49 | gregj | ibot ping |
17:41.50 | ibot | pong |
17:42.40 | wethrin | ~google foo |
17:43.22 | gregj | ~google wethrin is wet dream |
17:43.28 | gregj | ibot can you google? |
17:43.30 | wethrin | :-) |
17:43.50 | gregj | ibot: google dude |
17:44.00 | gregj | ibot: wake up ! |
17:44.01 | ibot | up !: GOOD MORNING!!! |
17:44.13 | gregj | ibot: w*** :P |
17:44.36 | mozrat | wash? |
17:44.40 | mozrat | ibot wash |
17:44.45 | gregj | nah |
17:44.49 | mozrat | oooh |
17:44.53 | gregj | I wouldn't cover wash in asterisks ;) |
17:44.53 | mozrat | ibot wink |
17:44.54 | ibot | ACTION winks at mozrat |
17:45.01 | mozrat | there you go! |
17:45.03 | gregj | not a wink either, think w word |
17:45.19 | gregj | poof |
17:45.24 | mozrat | :) |
17:45.31 | wethrin | hm |
17:46.02 | mozrat | wow - a 40GB hard drive just is not big enough |
17:46.17 | gregj | nope it isn't |
17:46.26 | wethrin | I have 1.3TB usable |
17:46.29 | wethrin | Soon it won't be enough |
17:46.40 | wethrin | I want to extend RAID5 arrays! |
17:46.59 | gregj | please... |
17:49.09 | wethrin | no idea |
17:49.44 | mozrat | you don't have to say please - we don't mind you buying a cheap blade server |
17:49.47 | mozrat | go nuts |
17:50.07 | wethrin | Don't mind if I do! |
17:50.19 | wethrin | *sigh* Food will take too long to cook |
17:50.20 | gregj | I just ask for info |
17:50.21 | gregj | please |
17:50.22 | gregj | :] |
17:50.28 | gregj | yeah, me calls for pizza |
17:50.35 | wethrin | :-) |
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18:33.28 | wethrin | boh |
18:37.31 | Cope | pah |
18:38.24 | wethrin | But I shall be having haggis |
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18:43.13 | Cope | yum |
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18:56.15 | Cope | hello AngelChild |
18:56.56 | AngelChild | heyo thar :) |
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19:24.59 | Cope | morsing! |
19:29.53 | morsing | Thanks :-) |
19:47.54 | gregj | http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/fun/newminimac.jpg |
19:47.55 | gregj | ;] |
19:48.17 | gregj | smp version |
19:48.18 | gregj | ;] |
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19:48.55 | gregj | wethrin: mam minimaka, i calkiem sie dobrze sprawuje, do desktopowych rzeczy... |
19:49.08 | gregj | wethrin: btw, na obrazku jest MOJ minimak |
19:49.16 | wethrin | :-) |
19:49.21 | wethrin | to dobrze |
19:50.38 | gregj | wethrin: nie ukrywam ze wolalbym g5 thou |
19:50.58 | wethrin | Mmmmm. G5 |
19:51.20 | gregj | yeah, next month maybe... |
19:51.30 | wethrin | Good plan |
19:51.31 | gregj | but I'll rather buy some shitty car |
19:51.36 | gregj | or blade server... |
19:51.37 | gregj | :P |
19:51.40 | wethrin | Mmmmm |
19:56.04 | Cope | /dev/cciss/c0d0p3 on / type ext3 (rw) |
19:56.04 | Cope | none on /proc type proc (rw) |
19:56.04 | Cope | none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
19:56.04 | Cope | /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) |
19:56.04 | Cope | /dev/cciss/c0d0p7 on /local type ext3 (rw) |
19:56.06 | Cope | none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
19:56.09 | Cope | /dev/cciss/c0d0p6 on /tmp type ext3 (rw) |
19:56.11 | Cope | /dev/cciss/c0d0p5 on /var type ext3 (rw)/hhh |
19:56.14 | Cope | sorry |
19:56.52 | wethrin | You're better be! |
19:57.00 | wethrin | Using Solaris device names like that |
19:57.42 | gregj | ;] |
19:57.46 | gregj | solaris sux |
19:57.55 | gregj | better than me vacume |
19:59.15 | wethrin | heh |
20:00.52 | Cope | umm - that's linux using compaq smart arraus |
20:01.00 | wethrin | Hahahah :-) |
20:01.21 | Cope | its all gone horribly wrong |
20:01.22 | wethrin | Go to the pub |
20:01.27 | Cope | and I've been asked to fix it |
20:01.35 | wethrin | Tell them to fuck off :-) |
20:01.40 | Cope | despite it being my day off, and me having drubk 1/2 a bottle of win |
20:01.52 | wethrin | Only 1/2? |
20:01.56 | Cope | yeah |
20:02.03 | Cope | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/pool/gfs0, |
20:02.04 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
20:02.14 | Cope | is what I get when I try to mount the gfs filesystem |
20:02.24 | wethrin | Oh dear. |
20:23.33 | Cope | YOU FUCKING DANCER! |
20:23.38 | Cope | (fixed it) |
20:24.31 | wethrin | hm? |
20:24.35 | wethrin | What did you do? |
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22:54.12 | Blapto | Hi |
22:57.38 | wethrin | hi |
23:03.25 | Blapto | Hi there |
23:04.14 | wethrin | Any recommendations for a *simple* but configurable photo gallery in PHP? |
23:04.29 | Blapto | Gallery is fairly simple |
23:04.42 | Blapto | Trivial if you have imagemagick installed and actual control over the server. |
23:05.06 | wethrin | I don't have control over the server |
23:05.14 | Blapto | I'll host it for you if you want |
23:05.16 | wethrin | And I want something which I don't have to bother programming |
23:05.22 | wethrin | Nope. Has to be done at durham |
23:05.27 | wethrin | Otherwise I have my own server :-) |
23:05.36 | Blapto | you don't have to program it, just it needs NetPBM/Imagemagick binaries |
23:05.37 | wethrin | But iPhoto exports things very nicely for my liking |
23:06.02 | wethrin | Imagemagick no existy |
23:06.08 | Blapto | netpbm? |
23:06.15 | Blapto | And do you have chmod +x ability? |
23:06.19 | wethrin | Yes |
23:06.32 | Blapto | you should be able to install netpbm then and it will work |
23:06.34 | wethrin | What's a binary that comes with netpbm? netpbm? |
23:06.45 | Blapto | http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/ |
23:07.06 | Blapto | Binaries have worked for me in the past |
23:07.09 | wethrin | Yes, that's there |
23:07.19 | Blapto | try out gallery then |
23:07.28 | Blapto | Sample install of 1.x at www.millerphotography.co.uk |
23:07.45 | wethrin | Well, I don't actually know if it's on the webserver or not |
23:08.12 | Blapto | If you have MySQL, Coppermine isn't bad |
23:08.21 | Blapto | http://coppermine-gallery.net/index.php |
23:08.29 | wethrin | I do, but I'd prefer to not use it for this :) |
23:09.17 | wethrin | gah. Looks overly complicated |
23:09.25 | Blapto | It's easier than you think |
23:09.33 | wethrin | Heh |
23:09.59 | Blapto | In my case it was a 15 minute install and I'd never done it before |
23:10.14 | Blapto | And I had to get around some php security stuff. |
23:10.19 | wethrin | okay.... |
23:11.06 | Blapto | How's the PhD going |
23:11.33 | wethrin | Hahahahahhaa :) |
23:11.44 | wethrin | I'm stuck with writing a 1st-year report at the moment |
23:12.04 | Blapto | I swear you've been at it more than a year? |
23:13.03 | wethrin | Nope |
23:13.07 | wethrin | Went up here in October |
23:13.19 | Blapto | Ah, ok |
23:17.49 | wethrin | Ahh.....I think Durham runs PHP in safe mode |
23:18.47 | Blapto | just move netpbm binaries into your userspace then |
23:19.22 | wethrin | Hmm |
23:30.19 | Blapto | I think some sleep is in order |
23:30.39 | Blapto | Night |
23:30.53 | wethrin | nn! |
23:31.00 | Blapto | you got gallery sorted? |
23:31.05 | wethrin | not yet. Just untarred it |
23:31.20 | Blapto | ok |
23:31.36 | Blapto | btw, it's not at it's most secure |
23:31.41 | wethrin | Not my problem |
23:31.50 | Blapto | you might want to look through it and change some permissions. |
23:32.03 | Blapto | I think they do tell you which to change though |
23:33.43 | wethrin | Okay |
23:35.41 | wethrin | Ah, fuck it. I can't be bothered with hunting all the permissions |
23:36.03 | wethrin | Hm |
23:37.06 | wethrin | Well. PHP definitely runs in safe mode on the Durham servers |
23:37.10 | wethrin | So that's out, then |