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05:48.49new2unixmoin all
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07:58.40mozratGood morning
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08:08.54mozrathey clyphox
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08:37.26mozratLeeds!
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08:54.32rhowe$boss is booking time off to go to the linux expo
08:54.40Leedsafternoon mozrat, all
08:56.49kbsinghhey guys
08:57.09kbsinghI am trying to get that ( linux expo ) covered as an 'official engagement'
08:57.36mozratI may be going abroad on the first day and so will miss it :(
08:57.42mozratwhich sucks
08:58.03mozratLeeds, you don't have an RSS feed as far as I can tell
08:58.16rhoweI thought missing the linux expo was something to look forward to? :)
09:03.11kbsinghpersonally, with FUDcon the next day - I think the second day is going to be much more worth-the-effort
09:10.27clyphoxHey mozrat
09:10.44clyphoxhmm I think I missed the expo again...
09:10.49clyphox..again! lol
09:11.02clyphoxhow is everyone ? :)
09:14.10Leedsmozrat: http://www.priorityinversion.org/?flav=rss
09:16.21Leedsalthough it may not be the most useful rss feed going...
09:20.23clyphoxthe content was pretty interesting though :)
09:21.37Leedsthanks :-)
09:24.20Leedsmozrat: try http://priorityinversion.org/index.rss2 - a slightly more useful feed, I think
09:25.57mozratLeeds: Are, k
09:26.03mozratAhh, k
09:26.59mozrattomorrow I shall be mozrat-de apparently
09:27.59Leedsthis time next week I should be Leeds-hk again
09:28.46Leedsfor a while, this time, since we're about to hit major Jewish festival time
09:29.26mozratwill that be noticed in HK?
09:29.51Leedswhat do you mean by noticed?
09:40.55formiLeeds: do you have a moment for a private?
09:41.51Leedsformi: sure
09:42.48formiI tried to open one with not much luck, could you start one?
09:45.09Leedsyou don't see me?
09:45.28formiI saw the Hello! line but nothing else
09:45.36Leedsdid you reply to my hello?
09:45.42formiyes i did
09:45.51Leedsstrange
09:46.09formijust in case let me reconnect
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09:47.48formiLeeds: I am trying again
09:50.43mozratLeeds, I was wondering if there were many Jewish celebrations in HK, or is it a family celebration thing
09:50.55mozrati.e. is there much of a Jewish community there to celebrate it
09:51.03Leedsmozrat: sure, the community celebrates
09:52.28Leedsit's not a public thing in any way - there aren't enough Jews, and effectively no Chinese Jews, so it's not mainstream at all
09:54.48clyphoxare the girls pretty? :)
09:55.35clyphox<this is an important factor to consider when picking destinations>
09:56.17Leedsyes, but...
09:56.54clyphox..short :(  ?
09:57.21Leedsthat too :-)
09:57.52Leedsnot many single Jewish girls around...
10:01.10clyphoxyeah that kinda sucks
10:01.47clyphoxlucky budhism isn't a religion hehe
10:02.05Leedsum, it sort of is
10:02.27mozratquite a large one in fat
10:02.29mozratfact
10:03.00Leedsit may not be a theistic religion
10:04.47Leedsand yes, in theory, you can be both Jewish and Buddhist at the same time...
10:05.15clyphoxI'm half Jedi half Buddhist half asleep
10:23.14wethrinHello
10:23.30wethrinformi: You're not registered with Nickserv, are you?
10:24.26wethrinLeeds: If you want messages from formi, I guess you need to tell nickserv you want to receive messages from unregistered users
10:25.01Leedswethrin: he's registered, and we're talking
10:25.09wethrinah
10:25.47formiI was
10:26.08formii am a bloody registered user
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10:27.54George`CGIhelllooooo
10:28.00formi10:46 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized
10:29.05Leedsokay, anyone know how kernel patching works nowadays?
10:29.37LeedsI've got 2.6.12.2 and I want to patch up to 2.6.14rc2
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10:39.51rhoweLeeds: reverse patch-2.6.12.2, apply patch-2.6.13, then apply patch-2.6.14rc2 I guess
10:40.05rhoweLeeds: I would make a tarball after the 2nd step, personally
10:42.09Leedshmm... I didn't patch to 2.6.12.2, I downloaded it directly... so I'll need to download the patches then? :-)
10:44.18rhoweLeeds: Yeah
10:44.41rhoweLeeds: ncftpget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/v2.6/patch-2.6.12.2.bz2
10:44.46rhowemaybe pub/linux/kernel/ I forget
10:46.36Leedsput a .in in there to get it locally...
10:47.20Leedsand what, there's something wrong with wget?
10:49.49rhoweI don't install wget on web servers which have PHP
10:50.07Leedsreally?
10:50.18rhoweYep
10:50.28rhoweToo many PHP exploits which depend on wget
10:50.52Leedsah
10:50.55rhoweApache in Debian has a really irritating dependency
10:51.10Leedswell, I tend to avoid installing/using php, on my own machines, anyway
10:51.23rhowePretty much all the shrinkwrapped exploits rely on using something like lynx or wget to download a rootkit-type thing
10:51.40rhowePackage: apache-common
10:51.46Leedss/cause/symptom/
10:51.51rhoweDepends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, perl (>= 5.8.4-2), mime-support, apache2-utils, sed (>= 4.0.5-1), ucf (>= 1.06), lynx | www-browser
10:52.10Leedshmm... so the local networking folks want to replace the existing RH9 server with Fedora 4
10:52.12rhoweNote the last dependency
10:52.31Leedsyes
10:52.56Leedswell... um... you may be aware that I don't personally pay that much attention to the dependencies on distro packages :-)
10:53.18rhoweWell you're a slackware person
10:53.25rhoweI'm suprised you even know what the word means :P
10:54.54Leedsit's what happens when you let a distro tell you want to do with your computer
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11:07.49mozrateyup ufo
11:07.55ufoelo elo
11:08.16kbsinghLeeds: would RHEL / CentOS not make a better option than FC4 ?
11:08.21mozratufo, get a blog so we can add it to planet.gllug.org.uk
11:09.01ufomozrat: I will, just after I'll finnish my thesis ;]
11:09.29mozratwhich year will that be? :)
11:09.58Leedskbsingh: yes, probably... but they'd charge for RHEL, and I think CentOS may be beyond them
11:10.16Leedskbsingh: fuck it - Slackware would be a better option :-)
11:13.56kbsinghalthough it was to slackware that i lost my linux virginity
11:14.14wethrinShovel RPM into Slackware
11:14.23kbsinghwethrin: i think someone tried this a while back
11:14.30wethrinHeh
11:14.40kbsinghmaybe get slack .pkg support into smartpm.org and we're doe
11:14.43kbsinghs/doe/done
11:14.44mozratkbsingh: Was she good? :)
11:15.59kbsinghmozrat: 'she' was on 40 odd 1.44MB FD's that I had to 'borrow' from school, beg a local prof. at the Univ to let me copy from his set
11:16.09kbsinghshe took a while to come installed.
11:16.22Copes/installed//
11:16.41kbsingh{-8
11:17.45Copethe difference between debian and slackware is that Leeds doesn't mind being told what to do by *one* person, but distrusts a carefully organised team of people.
11:18.35Cope(the operation to remove my tongue from my cheek is scheduled for some time next month)
11:18.37wethrinCope: Carefully organised? :-)
11:18.56Copefanatically organised?
11:20.47wethrinfanatics--
11:25.53wethrinlazy :-P
11:25.58wethrinI've been at work for 20 minutes already!
11:27.52BlaptoYou're both lazy!
11:29.53AngelChildbut being lazy is so much less effort
11:30.05Blaptono answer to that really...
11:30.12AngelChild:D
11:30.23BlaptoBloody students, eh?
11:31.00Georgehrmm.
11:31.15GeorgeDECAPITATION
11:31.27GeorgeAngelChild: you suck
11:31.35Georgewethrin: around?
11:31.42LeedsCope: actually, you're pretty much right
11:32.22wethrinGeorge: yo
11:32.25Leedsevening George
11:32.44Georgewethrin: do you think s/technological/technology/ for the first setence of my PS?
11:32.58Georgewethrin: that's what the head of computing services here at school said
11:33.02wethrin'all things technology'?
11:33.04Georgeyeah
11:33.07wethrinI don't like that
11:33.08Georgeseems a bit tarded to me
11:33.20wethrinall things technology-related, maybe
11:33.26wethrinor all things related to technology
11:33.45Georgehrmm.
11:33.46wethrinbut you can't have 'things' followed by a noun
11:33.51Georgeyeah
11:33.57wethrinit needs to be followed by an adjective, as it's describing the 'things'
11:34.09Georgenot a good idea to have a grammatical error in my first sentence :D
11:34.28wethrinNope :)
11:39.00George:)
11:40.03wethrin"all things technology" is an accepted colloquialism, but isn't technically correct. And personal statements should avoid colloqs.
11:41.37Georgeyes
11:41.39GeorgeI know :)
11:42.03wethrintell your head of computing services he's wrong, then
11:43.14GeorgeI told him I didn't agree
11:43.24wethringood
11:43.37GeorgeI'm not corrupting my PS
11:44.17clyphoxwho's to say corruption isn't just a natural state hehe
11:44.40wethrinOnly to those who seek power
11:44.53BlaptoOr who use hard drives.
11:45.05wethrinYes. We should all use tapes
11:45.15clyphoxOMG I should actually buy another drive now that u remind me lol
11:45.56wethrin:)
11:46.03wethrinRAID5 is only okay if one drive dies
11:47.12BlaptoClearly.  I rsync all my vital data to a RAID 1 setup in another building.
11:47.16BlaptoAnother country even.
11:47.23BlaptoSomething would have to go very wrong.
11:48.06wethrinGood plan. But I bet you don't have 800GB of data to sync
11:48.21BlaptoYeah, that's true.
11:48.40BlaptoIn which case you'd want to install some fibre to another location as far away as possible :D.
11:48.58wethrinhehe
11:49.01wethrinNot so easy to do :)
11:49.17BlaptoActually...
11:49.23BlaptoYou could do it over line of site wireless.
11:49.39BlaptoWith some funky cantennas.
11:50.11GeorgeRAID-5 is nice
11:50.16GeorgeI've got a degraded array at the moment though
11:50.50wethrinYou're degraded. Hehe ehheheheh hehehehe
11:51.06Georgemd1 : active raid5 sdc2[1] sdb2[2] sda2[3]
11:51.06George<PROTECTED>
11:51.11Georgemd0 : active raid5 sdc1[2] sdb1[1] sda1[0]
11:51.11George<PROTECTED>
11:51.20wethrinGet another disk
11:51.26BlaptoI'v been degraded for years now :D
11:51.31wethrinWe know
11:52.49GeorgeI need food.
11:52.51Georgelunch time!
11:53.10Georgehrmm, actually.
11:53.15GeorgeI'll wait a few minutes.
11:53.16BlaptoOr do I mean depraved...  I forget.
11:53.33GeorgeI had a ghastly oxbridge maths lesson this morning at 8am
11:53.36Georgesilly hour in the morning.
11:53.48wethrinoxbridge maths?
11:53.52Georgeyeah
11:53.57wethrinIs that different from normal maths?
11:54.03Georgeyeah
11:54.07Georgeinterview survival ;P
11:54.14wethrinIs this one of the completely fucking useless things schools do to put people off applying?
11:54.15Georgethen afterwards STEP preparation
11:54.23Georgeactually, it's not useless
11:54.25wethrinEww. STEPs suck donkey balls
11:54.29Georgewe just work through really hard maths stuff :P
11:54.44wethrinWe had mock "oxbridge interviews" set up by our school
11:54.53Georgenah, not interviews
11:54.54wethrinThey were so completely and utterly fucking useless as to actually put people off applying
11:55.04Georgewe just do advanced maths
11:55.06Georgebeyond the syllabus
11:55.09mozratGeorge!
11:55.23Georgeit's the dyslexic composer!
11:55.31wethrinThe interviewer still had the notion of a hugely stuffy interview where you had to tell them why you chose the college
11:55.40wethrinFOR FUCK'S SAKE. You don't even *HAVE* to choose a college
11:55.45George:)
11:55.58Georgelol
11:56.01GeorgeI just hope I get in :(
11:56.09Georgemy maths probably isn't up to scratch
11:56.10wethrinDon't think you should have a problem
11:56.11mozratGeorge: I think I ma dyslexic sometimes
11:56.17mozratam
11:56.18wethrinGeorge: They don't care that much
11:56.19mozrat:(
11:56.24Georgewethrin: huh?
11:56.27Georgemozrat: hehe
11:56.29wethrinThey more look for people who they'd want to teach
11:56.37Georgewethrin: nobody would EVER want to teach me :)
11:56.38mozratyay :D
11:56.46wethrinGeorge: And therein lies your problem :-)
11:56.47GeorgeI'm screwed
11:56.53George:P
11:56.57wethrinThey don't expect everyone to be genius mathematicians
11:57.12wethrinIn fact, most schools won't put on these sorts of maths classes, so they're not going to be too bothered
11:57.44Georgeyeah, but I'm genuinely crap at maths
11:57.54wethrinCambridge is the only Uni that occasionally asks for STEP papers
11:58.12Georgeheh
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11:58.26Georgeeveryone who gets an offer for maths has to do step generally
11:58.32Georgetheir standard offer is step
11:58.33mozratyay for JAV
11:58.56wethrinThis is another reason I didn't go to Cambridge :)
11:59.05wethrin(amongst many)
11:59.17Georgethey say STEP is excellent preparation for the sort of maths you hit at university level
12:00.23wethrinHm. And can I shout bullshit? :)
12:00.36Georgenot on IRC :P
12:00.38wethrinThey'll cover all the maths you'd cover at STEP in the first term
12:03.02wethrinschools themselves seem to be very out-of-touch with the Oxbridge entry procedures
12:03.20wethrinAt least, my school was quite out of touch with the Oxford entries. And yours seems to be doing similar
12:07.14GeorgeI'd say a third of the teachers here are ex-Oxbridge
12:07.25Georgesome subjects are right on track
12:07.34GeorgeCS is a nightmare because nobody ever really applies for it
12:07.41Georgeas in, once every 5 years :)
12:07.52wethrinGeorge: They may be, but they'd have gone many years ago
12:08.01Georgeyes
12:08.03wethrinThings have changed since the 1960s!
12:08.06Georgeharhar
12:08.17Georgemy physics teacher was at cam during the late 90s
12:08.23GeorgeI think that's the most recent
12:08.32Georgehe got a third
12:08.34Georgewe keep mocking him
12:08.52Georgeanyway, food time
12:10.28Leedshttp://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html
12:10.31Leedshe's a GLLUGer
12:12.27wethrinHeh.
12:12.32Leedsnot heh
12:12.55wethrinoh...
12:13.52wethrinHe is?
12:13.53Leedsworked at symbian, last time I met him... dunno if he's still there
12:13.57wethrinI don't recognise the name
12:14.06LeedsIIRC, he's French...
12:14.17wethrinI'd guess so as he said "from my workplace in Southwark"
12:14.33LeedsI have his phone number and email address in my phone book, sent to me over bluetooth in the basement of the pub, again IIRC
12:14.51wethrinHm. There were a few French people at Symbian
12:14.56wethrinBut the name's still not familiar
12:15.48LeedsI have a picture on my old phone, a sketch, which I think he used as a photo in his phone's business card...
12:21.21wethrinHrmm...
12:21.30wethrinSeems a little screwed up
12:29.14Leedswow, there's an http mirror of kernel.org in the Falkland Islands...
12:29.25wethrinyay? :)
12:30.08Leedsthat's got to be a pretty high mirror:local_user ratio :-)
12:31.16Leedsthen again, Gibraltar has 2 http, 2 ftp - probably the same 2 servers
12:31.41Leedsout of interest, which kernel comes with a current stable Debian?
12:32.21wethrinErr. if you asked me that 2 hours ago I could have told you :)
12:32.26wethrinIt's a choice betwen a 2.4 and a 2.6
12:32.51Leedsbut since then your brain has been edited?
12:33.06Leedswouldn't be anything as old as 2.4.26, I assume?
12:33.30wethrinIt could be
12:33.37wethrinI can tell you tonight
12:34.29LeedsI'm sure I could find out before tomorrow morning, since I'm unlikely to be online 'tonight' UK time
12:35.22wethrin2.6.12
12:35.34Leedsmy friend is trying to get an SATA RAID controller working on a 2.4.26 machine
12:36.05wethrin2.4.27, maybe
12:36.07Leedsthat's stable, or testing?
12:36.12wethrinsarge
12:36.17wethrin(stable)
12:36.25stephenLeeds: you get a choice between 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 iirc
12:36.36wethrinIt works for me, using Promise TX4
12:37.43Leedshe's got a 3ware
12:38.05stephen3ware 7xxx and 8xxx cards are supported out of the box
12:38.48Leedshe says the device nodes aren't there
12:39.14wethrin./MAKEDEV all
12:39.15wethrin?
12:39.33Leedsugh
12:39.46wethrinwhat?
12:40.32Leedsmaking random nodes
12:41.08wethrinAh
12:41.18wethrinWell, maybe he needs to load the correct module
12:41.43Leedshe says the driver is loaded
12:41.57wethrinDoesn't it just show up as SCSI disks
12:42.05wethrinDoes dmesg give anything useful?
12:42.22Leedsactually, he says it's installed, not loaded... just asked him to confirm that it's loaded as well :-)
12:42.29wethrinahh
12:43.58Leedsto clarify...
12:44.16Leedshe didn't say anything about loaded or not - he just said installed... we are now trying to check if they are actually loaded
12:44.22wethrinlsmod IYF :)
12:45.09GeorgeI have been nourished
12:45.09Georgewooyay
12:45.16Leedsso is dmesg
12:45.26wethrinGNAAA. Just seen - "...I strongly encourage you to try installing FreeBSD instead of Linux on this laptop. It is very similar to Gentoo Linux, so if you are comfortable with that, you should have no problem switching to FreeBSD"
12:45.34wethrinGeorge: You're a fat bastard :-P
12:46.02Georgehi.
12:52.35Georgewethrin: you know, you're fatter than me.
12:52.40Georgewethrin: just thought I'd let you know
12:52.45wethrinpah
12:55.01George:D
13:08.50Leedshometime
13:09.09new2unixbye Leeds
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13:13.39morsingHello
13:15.45morsing~seen wethrin
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13:16.01wethrinhello?
13:16.04morsingHi :-)
13:16.11wethrinHi
13:16.23morsingAnyone else here?
13:16.31wethrinthere may or may not be
13:16.38morsing:-)
13:16.49morsingHi jonmasters
13:16.57wethrinheh
13:19.57new2unixhi
13:21.46JAVhi!
13:24.17morsingHi new2unix & JAV
13:51.14rhowegrr
13:51.23rhoweThe Monument Exchange is having problems again
13:51.28rhoweEasynet SDSL is down
13:51.41wethrinPah
13:51.51wethrinAnd you're using Sleazynet at work?
13:52.14rhoweyep
13:52.16GeorgeI want SDSL.
13:52.30wethrinHa. So why're you on IRC if the intarweb's broken?
13:52.38wethrinGeorge: You won't get that at Uni
13:52.47Georgeif I'm at uni I don't need SDSL :P
13:52.58wethrinYou can't really download porn, though
13:53.05Georgewhy would I want to?
13:54.50wethrinIt's like TEH NAKED CHIXXX0RZ
13:57.30GeorgeI really couldn't care less
13:58.24wethrinpah
13:59.57BlaptoSomebody check George for testicles.
14:00.29wethrinHe doesn't have any balls. He's at a public school
14:00.36BlaptoSo am I...
14:00.39BlaptoBut I have
14:00.44BlaptoAt least 2!
14:00.50wethrinharrow?
14:00.57BlaptoAh, you have a point
14:01.52GeorgeBlapto: which school wouldst thou be at?
14:02.05Blaptocity of london
14:02.11Georgeboring.
14:02.17Georgethat's not a public school
14:02.19Georgethat's a private school
14:02.31Blaptodefine...
14:02.44Georgepublic schools are the schools listed in the public schools act of 1868
14:02.50GeorgeI think that's the year anyway
14:03.27Georgehttp://www.answers.com/topic/public-schools-act-1868
14:04.48Blaptofeh
14:04.53Blaptosame difference
14:04.55GeorgeNO
14:04.58GeorgeNO IT'S NOT
14:05.07GeorgeI AM AT PUBLIC SCHOOL; YOU ARE AT PRIVATE
14:05.57BlaptoAnd the actual difference is...
14:06.14Georgewe're amazing
14:06.48BlaptoYet you have no testicles.
14:07.19Georgethat's irrelevant
14:07.22GeorgeI have dual 20" tfts
14:07.42BlaptoBut it's not.  It's a hippopotamus.
14:07.44wethrinBlapto: He's making up for something there :)
14:07.44mozratare they a testicle substitute now then?
14:07.51Georgemozrat: yeah
14:07.56Georgeand 2820GB of disk space
14:07.56Georgemmmm
14:08.02wethrin"it's not an elephant. It's a hippopotamus"
14:08.08Blapto:D
14:09.12Georgehippos are cool.
14:09.19wethrinheh
14:09.21BlaptoYes, because they bathe in mud.
14:09.31wethrinI bet you listen to Tom Lehrer too
14:09.32Georgeyes, and their etymology is cool
14:09.41Blaptowethrin, yup.
14:10.12wethrinheh
14:10.19GeorgeMOO.
14:10.42wethrin"All the world seems in tune on a spring afternoon...."
14:10.52BlaptoAnd Bob Newhart?
14:11.00wethrinmeh :)
14:11.20GeorgeSLEEP
14:11.21GeorgeBED
14:11.22GeorgeSLEEEEP
14:11.35wethrinlazy
14:11.41mozratlazy bastardf
14:11.53Georgeyes
14:12.02BlaptoOh god I've got to work.
14:12.10wethrinheh
14:12.12Blaptowethrin, when are you in London next?
14:12.18wethrinBlapto: 28th October
14:12.19wethrin(Friday)
14:12.23wethrinYou on the Gllug social list?
14:12.28GeorgeBlapto: what year are you in?
14:12.32BlaptoI don't subscribe.
14:12.34BlaptoGeorge, same as you
14:12.36wethrinWell you should :-P
14:12.37Georgebah
14:12.41GeorgeBlapto: applying where?
14:12.43wethrinThen you'd know which pub we'd be going to
14:12.59BlaptoImperial, Durham, York, x, x, x
14:13.08Georgenot oxbridge?
14:13.09wethrinGeorge: how did you get time off school to go to LWE?
14:13.19Georgewethrin: I say "let me go"
14:13.21Georgeand they do
14:13.24wethrinOkay
14:13.29wethrinThey don't care any more if you miss lessons?
14:13.29BlaptoGeorge, nope, I r thick.
14:13.37Georgewhat did you get in AS?
14:13.39Blaptowethrin, announce or discussion?
14:13.40BlaptoBBBC
14:13.55Georgeerk
14:13.56wethrinBlapto: Yes :)
14:14.06wethrinMostly announce, maybe with a couple of messages of discussion tacked on
14:14.07Georgeeven wethrin did better than that
14:14.14Georgeand he didn't even do AS! :D
14:14.15wethrinI never did AS.
14:14.17wethrinActually, I lie
14:14.21wethrinI did do one AS
14:14.27wethrinBut then I upgraded to a full A
14:14.32Georgewethrin: yes, but you did Advanced Supplementary
14:14.41Georgewethrin: this is Advanced Subsidiary! :P
14:14.41wethrinThey were still referred to as AS
14:14.47wethrinEwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
14:14.48Georgeyeah, I know
14:14.48wethrinEwww
14:14.49wethrinEww
14:14.52Georgemy brother has one in Maths
14:15.07GeorgeI is clever, innit.
14:15.15GeorgeBlapto: what course btw?
14:15.16wethriniss
14:15.27BlaptoComp sci.
14:15.32BlaptoWethrin, gizza clue.
14:16.14GeorgeI'm applying for CS/Maths at York
14:16.14wethrinBlapto: When I decide what pub, I'll let you know
14:16.14wethrinBlapto: http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social
14:16.15GeorgeCS at Dur, Brist, Cam
14:16.15GeorgeCS/M at St Andrews
14:16.15Georgeand... somewhere else whose name currently eludes me
14:16.18wethrinbath?
14:16.21Georgeno
14:16.26wethrinheh
14:16.46BlaptoErr, which months archives?
14:16.54wethrinBlapto: Eh?
14:17.02wethrinI've not posted about the 28th yet
14:17.22BlaptoAh
14:17.22Georgeoh yea, warwick
14:17.40wethrinIt'll probably be a central London pub. Possibly the Windmill
14:17.42Blapto[15:12] <wethrin> Then you'd know which pub we'd be going to
14:17.45wethrinOr maybe the Clachan
14:17.50BlaptoYeah, I understand now.
14:17.54wethrinBlapto: yes, you would know when I posted :)
14:17.58BlaptoGo to the Founders Arms, it's easy for me to get there :D
14:18.09wethrinNo :-P You missed the last few times we were there
14:18.18BlaptoI know, I was busy.
14:18.19Georgewethrin: are you going to be at LWCE?
14:18.20wethrinAnd it'll be getting too cold to sit out
14:18.22wethrinGeorge: No
14:18.31Georgewethrin: git.
14:18.40wethrinI have better things to do than to pander to mental masturbations of people who shouldn't be allowed out in public
14:18.49Georgewethrin: anyway, yeah, I normally just ask the head master if I can miss 3 days of school to go to LWCE
14:18.56Georgewethrin: it's not as if it screws my grades up :)
14:19.25wethrintrue. It's hard not to get an A nowadays :-)
14:19.37Georgeof course it isn't ;)
14:19.41wethrinAlso, there's freshers' fair on here which I need to sit at stands at
14:20.48Georgebah.
14:20.51Georgeuseless bastard.
14:22.14wethrinOi. I need people to join the whisky society
14:22.22wethrinmorsing: Get a job in Durham!
14:22.53Georgeisn't there an "e" in whiskey?
14:23.05BlaptoNope
14:23.13Georgeyou can tell I'm a teetotaller.
14:23.26wethrinGeorge: Sometimes
14:23.35wethrinIf it's Irish, or USian
14:23.52BlaptoIrish whiskey is sometimes whisky.
14:23.55wethrinIt shouldn't be
14:23.58wethrin:)
14:24.05wethrinOh, and join the SMWS!
14:24.14wethrinThere's even a branch in London
14:24.17BlaptoSMWS?
14:24.20wethrinwww.smws.com
14:24.23BlaptoScotch malt?
14:24.24wethrinScotch Malt Whisky Society
14:24.37BlaptoI'm afraid I'd meet people there.
14:24.46wethrinmeet people?
14:24.47BlaptoI met my girlfriend's dad at some beer festival.
14:25.05wethrinYes....
14:25.08wethrinWhy's this bad?
14:25.17BlaptoWe aren't meant to see each other drunk.
14:25.23BlaptoWe both said things that shouldn't be said.
14:25.24wethrinAs long as you don't say :-)
14:25.49mozratBlapto: You didn't talk about your girlfriends great ass did you?
14:25.53BlaptoNothing really awkward was sais.
14:25.54Blaptosaid.
14:26.06wethrinJoin the SMWS anyway
14:26.13wethrinIt's a lovely venue in London
14:26.16BlaptoBut he asked questions he had always wanted to ask, and I answered frankly.
14:26.18wethrinAnd also in Edinburgh
14:26.30wethrin"Do you shag my daughter?" :)
14:26.53Blaptowethrin, not far from the truth...
14:27.01wethrinoh dear
14:27.16wethrinBut join anyway. You get to have lots of lovely single casks
14:27.30BlaptoBut he still likes me, and her mum likes me so there's no problem.
14:27.35wethrinoh good
14:28.07wethrinSo join and quote my membership number
14:28.14BlaptoDo you get booze or something?
14:28.44wethrinYes
14:28.47BlaptoFair enough
14:28.56wethrinYou can get a bottle of single cask with your membership
14:29.02wethrinThen you have to buy some :)
14:29.16BlaptoThey want my money!
14:31.19wethrinYes
14:31.28wethrinbut it's good for you to be a member
14:31.47clyphoxhmm beer
14:31.56wethrinclyphox: Join the SMWS
14:32.09wethrin:-)
14:32.18BlaptoI'm subbed to social.
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14:32.33wethrinOkay. I get a £10 voucher if other people refer to me when they subscribe
14:32.36wethringood man!
14:34.05Georgefor what?
14:34.23mozratsubscribe to -social??? wth?
14:34.49wethrinGeorge: For subscribing to social
14:34.53wethrinmozrat: What?
14:34.55Georgewethrin: harhar
14:34.56Blaptol33t clixoring skillz.
14:35.18wethrin:-)
14:35.55wethrincool - http://en.wikibooks.com
14:37.02Georgemozrat: you 419 scamming bastard!
14:37.06BlaptoEeek.  You know when something goes wrong, and you just panic?  A client just phoned me to say that he needs a file restored from a backup.  I ssh to his server, go to /backup, it's empty.  I freeze.  Panic.  Think.  mount /dev/sdc /backup.  relax :D.
14:37.19Georgeharhar
14:37.22Georgeyou have clients.
14:37.32mozratGeorge: yes!
14:37.48BlaptoYes, money and such.
14:37.57Georgehaha you have money.
14:38.16clyphoxhmmm money
14:38.26rhowewhee
14:38.28clyphoxI want customers who I can ssh into
14:38.33wethringood good :)
14:38.40wethrinBlapto: So you can join the SMWS
14:38.48wethrinclyphox: Would you like to ssh into them with a BIG STICK?
14:38.50rhowebut... we're probably going to go with Azzuri anyhow
14:38.59GeorgeI need a new computer.
14:39.00Blaptoclyphox, I still own the server in their office.
14:40.43Georgeeblapon Blapto.
14:40.50Georgehah!
14:41.08BlaptoYes yes, very amusing.
14:41.33GeorgeI can't remember the strong aorist of blapto
14:41.42Georgeit /is/ eblapon right?
14:41.52BlaptoI forget, haven't done greek in about 3 years.
14:41.57Georgeuseless bastard
14:42.05Georgemy greek lexicon is at home.
14:43.53Georgedoes anyone else here do Classical Greek?
14:44.16morsingbeer
14:44.17mozratThat could be the dumbest question George has eveer asked in here
14:44.26Georgemozrat: what?!?!
14:44.46Georgemozrat: Blapto did Classical Greek, as you can tell from his name...
14:44.51mozratGeorge: sit back and wait for the flood of answers to that question
14:45.22mozrat...
14:45.49Georgemozrat: FYI, Blapto is the 1st person singular of the verb "to harm" in Classical Greek
14:46.00BlaptoIt's true.
14:46.02mozratGeorge: yeah, I was here last time it was discussed
14:46.03Georgemozrat: spelt beta, lambda, alpha, pi, tau, omega
14:46.33Blaptoeta, beta, pi.
14:47.11Georgewtf
14:47.39BlaptoEat a better pie...
14:47.54mozratMmm pies
14:48.02Blaptomozrat, you got pie?
14:48.18Georgeit's EATER, not EH-TAH
14:48.25mozratI have 3.14159265 pies
14:48.29Georgeer.
14:48.34Georgethat sounded retarded
14:48.45Georgeit's BEE TER, not BETTER
14:50.12BlaptoIt's a Pratchett thing.
14:50.21Georgewell, he clearly didn't do Greek.
14:50.49BlaptoAnd you clearly don't do humour.
14:51.04Georgehush thyself
14:57.19BlaptoI'm off for a bit, bye
14:58.53CopeGeorge: yes
14:59.00CopeGeorge: I did Classical Greek
15:00.23Georgeyay
15:00.29GeorgeCope: what's the strong aorist of blapto?
15:01.24Copecan't recall if the 't' drops, but eblapon I expect
15:01.31Georgeyay
15:03.26Georgeheh, I sent an email to my headmaster asking if I could reschedule an appointment with him
15:03.32Georgeand he replied "Yes..do see my secretary"
15:03.34Georgerofl
15:05.49GeorgeSep 22 15:54:04 mail postfix/smtp[11571]: C0129140B4: to=<undeliverable@home.org.uk>, relay=none, delay=21, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)
15:05.53Georgenot nice.
15:13.17Copehehe
15:16.11mozratCan anyone recommend a brute force password cracking tool? John only appears to do dictionary attacks
15:17.20Copemozrat: yes - the internet
15:17.41mozratapt-get install "the internet"
15:17.48Copeput the box online, email a bunch of newsgroups asking for it to be cracked
15:17.51mozratwowsers - you should see the dependancy list
15:18.23Georgemozrat: the internet sucks
15:18.29Georgemozrat: it's full of stupid annoying 13 year olds :)
15:18.37CopeGeorge: it does? I should try this!
15:18.37mozratGeorge: I agree, I'm holding out for version 2
15:18.49mozratVacumn cleaners also suck
15:18.57GeorgeCope: sick man
15:19.25mozratCope, I don't want to be cracked into thankyouverymuch but I want to test how secure one password is over another
15:19.37mozratwe are discussing how more secure one additional character is
15:19.52mozratand if having the same character repeated makes any difference
15:20.18mozrati.e. which is more secure against brute force passwordaaaaa or passworda*7b%
15:20.42mozratand I thought a good test would be to run a brute force tool over it
15:27.49rhowemozrat: 'crack'?
15:27.59rhoweCrack is program designed to quickly locate vulnerabilities
15:27.59rhowein Unix (or other) password files by scanning the contents
15:27.59rhoweof a password file, looking for users who have misguidedly
15:28.02rhowechosen a weak login password.                              
15:30.31mozratrhowe - ta
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15:32.53rhowemozrat: Has an md5 variant too
15:33.47Georgeamavisd-new SUCKS
15:40.16stephenworks fine for me (though I noticed that by default, debian's package of it disables spam checking)
15:41.23BlaptoSo my dad's a fool.
15:41.52BlaptoIt seems I'm going to get a nice watch for my birthday.
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15:46.33clyphoxpub time!
15:46.36clyphoxyay
15:47.40morsingbeer
16:03.26wethrinMm. Beer.
16:18.44rhoweJia time
16:18.45rhoweyay
16:18.58rhoweAnyone coming to the Planetarium later?
16:20.21new2unixrhowe: am on ma way out now.
16:21.20new2unixlater all
16:23.18rhowenew2unix: 'k
16:23.30rhowenew2unix: http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/me+jia.jpg
16:23.36rhowenew2unix: We'll look like that :)
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17:48.00mozratho hum
17:49.43Blaptomuh oh
17:52.40BlaptoFscking district line!
17:52.43BlaptoStupid stupid line
17:55.02mozratyes, i share your pain
17:55.05mozratooh my stop!
17:56.02mozratlaters
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21:31.18mozratquiet tonight!
21:40.24BlaptoYou have to remember all the trivia your girlfriend asks you.  One day you'll get tested.
21:40.35BlaptoShe'll say "what's my favourite flour"
21:40.52BlaptoAnd you'll murmer "Shit... I wasn't listening.  Errr, Self-raising?"
21:41.12BlaptoI'm still really confused as to why she was talking about baking products with me though.
21:43.47mozratyeah - just make that shit up
21:44.03mozratwhy does she have a favourite kind of flower?
21:44.12mozratsure the answer wasn't "rose"? :)
21:44.19mozratyou might have misheard
21:54.11BlaptoIt's a distinct possibility.
21:54.25BlaptoBut yeah. I may have paraphrased, that's not quite how it happened.
21:54.30BlaptoI just thought it would be funny.
21:54.34mozrat:)
21:54.58mozrathttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4272418.stm
21:55.13Blaptoyeah, my brother was discussing that earlier.
21:55.21mozratSome people need to stop playing online games more and GET OUT OF THE HOUSE
21:55.49mozrat"Many online discussion sites were buzzing with reports from the disaster zones with some describing seeing "hundreds" of bodies lying in the virtual streets of the online towns and cities."
21:55.53mozratBoo.... hoo?
21:57.16BlaptoI find it hilarious.
21:57.58BlaptoIt's not happened on my brother's server yet, because it's a new one apparently.
21:58.07BlaptoI won't play MMOPRGS, I got hooked on ROSE.
21:58.11BlaptoIt was scary.
21:58.44mozratIs that WOW game the same one where some dorktard spent thousands of dollars of real money on a virtual property?
21:58.58BlaptoVery possibly.
21:59.22mozrathttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4104731.stm
22:00.25BlaptoThe Entopia economy lets gamers exchange real currency into PED (Project Entropia Dollars) and back again into real money.
22:00.31BlaptoThat's very interesting.
22:00.57mozratwhats the phrase about a fool and his money? :)
22:01.18BlaptoIt's interesting how they will actually honour the transfer though.
22:01.32BlaptoI'm not sure how they back it up, but they seem to have developed an online world with a real economy.
22:02.15mozrat"Earlier this year economists calculated that these massively multi-player online role-playing games (MMORPGs) have a gross economic impact equivalent to the GDP of the African nation of Namibia."
22:03.42BlaptoI'm actually fascinated.
22:07.34BlaptoI wonder if they treat duping as a criminal offence in the real world.
22:08.27mozrathmm
22:18.22BlaptoTo bed!
22:18.26BlaptoNight
22:30.14mozratnn
22:33.46mozrathow was it?
22:34.23new2unixrhowe: was that the gf?
22:45.52Georgemoo.
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23:54.52rhowenew2unix: No
23:56.18rhowenew2unix: A close friend (although the gf isn't exactly aware just how close we are, and nor is her bf)

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