| 00:48.23 | rhowe | ibot change 69 CNY to usd |
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| 01:48.49 | morsing | Ey-up! |
| 01:49.06 | Leeds | hello! shouldn't you be alseep or something? |
| 01:49.18 | morsing | Got called by my on-call buddy |
| 01:49.22 | morsing | Odd Unix problem |
| 01:49.24 | Leeds | or did you just get in after a hard night drinking? :-) |
| 01:49.30 | morsing | No :-) |
| 01:50.30 | morsing | Did you just get to work then? |
| 01:52.31 | Leeds | um, it's Saturday and a Bank Holiday, no work today! |
| 01:53.09 | Leeds | can I help? |
| 01:53.18 | morsing | No - knackered AIX box |
| 01:53.24 | morsing | But it was weird |
| 01:53.25 | Leeds | ah :-( |
| 01:53.40 | morsing | My colleague had logged in but nothing else could |
| 01:53.50 | morsing | And everything looked fine |
| 01:53.59 | morsing | Rebooting now :-( |
| 02:03.01 | morsing | Hmm... Reboot cleared it |
| 02:03.34 | Leeds | ugh... hate them |
| 02:05.07 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 02:05.13 | morsing | Had no choice |
| 02:05.32 | Leeds | because if you don't know what happened, you're left with paranoia as to when/why it'll happen again |
| 02:06.17 | morsing | Indeed |
| 02:06.51 | Leeds | we had ssh seize up on us... wouldn't accept logins - but I was already logged in... I fired up a new ssh on a different port, HUPed the original one - which didn't kick me off, which I'd expected it to do - and all was well |
| 02:07.42 | Leeds | s/ssh/sshd/g |
| 02:09.00 | morsing | Ok, well I'm back to bed. Talk later! |
| 02:09.56 | Leeds | g'night |
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| 07:37.18 | Leeds-Treo | mozrat: ping |
| 07:40.15 | Leeds-Treo | anyone around? |
| 07:42.07 | Leeds-Treo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.16 | Leeds-Treo | argh, sorry |
| 07:43.41 | Leeds-Treo | mozrat: should you see this in the next hour or so, email me @ vmlinuz.org to let me know you're online |
| 07:46.17 | mozrat | Is regular Leeds here? |
| 07:46.33 | mozrat | rather than the portable version |
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| 10:21.01 | \simon | hi all! |
| 10:43.32 | new2unix | hi \simon |
| 12:22.50 | mozrat | thanks for getting that stuff Leeds |
| 12:23.16 | morsing | Mmm... Expensive cars |
| 12:23.25 | mozrat | MOT done (44 quid) and now tax (~100 quid) |
| 12:23.35 | mozrat | bloody things |
| 12:23.40 | morsing | Only 100 for tax? |
| 12:23.45 | mozrat | for 6 months |
| 12:23.58 | morsing | Are you driving a Bentley? |
| 12:24.06 | mozrat | yes. yes I am |
| 12:24.12 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 12:24.17 | mozrat | s/bentley/Ford Mondeo/ |
| 12:24.26 | mozrat | nothing flash at all - 1995 car |
| 12:24.44 | morsing | Road tax should be 90 then |
| 12:24.59 | mozrat | hence the ~100 - i know it's 90-something |
| 12:25.01 | mozrat | 96? |
| 12:25.05 | morsing | 90 |
| 12:25.07 | mozrat | or is it bang on 90 |
| 12:25.10 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:25.11 | mozrat | oh - ok |
| 12:25.28 | mozrat | I can get a pint in the pub next to the post office to console myself then |
| 12:25.37 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 12:25.43 | morsing | Mmm... Bentley |
| 12:25.45 | mozrat | Mmm... car tax |
| 12:25.57 | morsing | Mmm... Compusys |
| 12:26.06 | morsing | Handwritten application letter only |
| 12:26.24 | mozrat | I think the point I give up on cars is when they make the whole of Greater London a congestion charge zone |
| 12:26.32 | mozrat | which I estimate to be within 5 years |
| 12:26.40 | mozrat | or I would move |
| 12:26.42 | morsing | I thought they said 2 years |
| 12:26.55 | mozrat | for the whole of the M25 area? |
| 12:27.06 | morsing | No just extended |
| 12:27.24 | morsing | They should do the tax per mile thing |
| 12:27.30 | mozrat | yes - that would suit me |
| 12:27.37 | morsing | Not me |
| 12:27.37 | mozrat | I don't actually drive all that much |
| 12:27.45 | morsing | I do 25000miles/year |
| 12:27.47 | mozrat | it's much fairer |
| 12:28.00 | mozrat | morsing: you should work closer to home |
| 12:28.08 | mozrat | there's a company near you called Compusys |
| 12:28.16 | morsing | Mmm... Compusys is 6 minutes walk from home :-) |
| 12:28.22 | mozrat | but they only accept candidate with hand written letters |
| 12:28.25 | mozrat | did you know this? |
| 12:28.27 | morsing | :-D |
| 12:28.30 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:28.33 | mozrat | oh! |
| 12:28.35 | mozrat | excellent |
| 12:28.40 | mozrat | are you going for it? |
| 12:28.46 | morsing | Yes! |
| 12:28.56 | mozrat | cool - good luck |
| 12:28.56 | morsing | Although I would give up working with AIX |
| 12:29.04 | morsing | :-( |
| 12:29.04 | mozrat | well - double bonus then |
| 12:29.09 | morsing | No |
| 12:29.35 | mozrat | I'm joking with you |
| 12:30.16 | mozrat | right - time to go and give the Government 90GBP for the privilege of driving very very slowly on very very poorly maintained roads |
| 12:30.31 | mozrat | using petrol which is very heavily taxed |
| 12:30.45 | mozrat | and (god forbid) should I stray near Central London......... |
| 12:30.46 | mozrat | etc |
| 12:30.50 | mozrat | catch you later |
| 12:30.55 | morsing | See you |
| 12:31.00 | Leeds | and you've already paid tax on the money you're going to give them |
| 12:31.19 | Leeds | just lucky there's no VAT on it, really |
| 12:33.01 | Leeds | apparently, here, you pay a large "first registration" tax, then low or 0 amounts from then on |
| 13:12.59 | morsing | In Denmark you pay a very large first generation tax and then high tax and VAT on anything just buy, do or throw away |
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| 13:17.30 | Blapto | Rarghhhh |
| 13:46.12 | Leeds | if you say so |
| 13:46.25 | Blapto | No, really |
| 13:46.45 | Blapto | Putting together a quote for someone. They need to understand 95th percentiel |
| 13:46.51 | Blapto | And they can't get their head round it. |
| 13:47.41 | Leeds | try hitting them over the head with it |
| 13:51.20 | Blapto | Also, it's not easy to predict for a new website. |
| 13:51.23 | Blapto | Which is irritating |
| 13:51.49 | Blapto | I probably should put a router in and actually limit it to a certain 95th percentile. Any recommendations? |
| 14:14.13 | z00dax | hey everyone! Howse the weekend getting along ? |
| 14:16.07 | Blapto | The weekend is hectic, but good |
| 14:16.20 | Blapto | Just got off the phone with someone who wanted me e-mail address |
| 14:16.23 | Blapto | it starts mlee |
| 14:16.34 | Blapto | So I said "It's mlee, that's mike, lima, echo, echo" |
| 14:16.43 | Blapto | And he wrote down mleemikelimaechoecho |
| 14:22.41 | Leeds | ah-ha! my new xbox, he has a 10gig disk :-) |
| 14:23.49 | Blapto | Are you sure it's male? |
| 14:24.19 | Leeds | he weighs a bloody ton - my fingers are still numb from carrying the bag, hours after I got in |
| 14:24.47 | rhowe | Now, I need to get an Athlon XP... I wonder where the best place to get one from is |
| 14:25.00 | Leeds | rhowe: I recommend the AMD ones |
| 14:25.27 | rhowe | Leeds: I thought Intel ones lasted longer? |
| 14:25.37 | Leeds | unless that's not what you meant, in which case I suggest a computer shop of some sort |
| 14:26.01 | rhowe | Leeds: Well, it seems that (e.g.) Aria don't do Athlon XP's any more |
| 14:26.05 | Leeds | nah, the Intel ones are just cheap knock-offs, dodgy compatibility and so on |
| 14:26.28 | rhowe | (at least, last time I checked) |
| 14:27.14 | Leeds | ah, that's a point... ebay? |
| 14:27.28 | rhowe | hm.. I'd be quite worried about a CPU from ebay, but if it's cheap enough.. |
| 14:27.40 | Leeds | yeah |
| 14:28.04 | rhowe | Then again, the box I'm IRCing from is running on two Celeron 300's which were sent from Texas in a plastic bag |
| 14:28.23 | rhowe | (i.e. no protection from static discharge at all) |
| 14:28.39 | Leeds | nice |
| 14:28.47 | rhowe | They were free, too :) |
| 14:28.55 | Leeds | even nicer :-) |
| 14:28.59 | rhowe | And they've run for 4-5 years, overclocked by 50% |
| 14:29.08 | rhowe | (tempting fate, I know...) |
| 14:30.08 | Leeds | * rhowe has quit |
| 14:30.33 | rhowe | i.e. one that I could collect today |
| 14:30.45 | Leeds | hmm... apparently Bali has been blowing up again :-( |
| 14:31.20 | rhowe | ugh |
| 14:36.13 | rhowe | "Agreeable taste that refreshes", apparently |
| 14:36.20 | Blapto | Grrr, got DDoSed |
| 14:37.38 | rhowe | heh, it takes 3 1/2 minutes for my dual celeron 450 to open gnucash |
| 14:39.01 | Blapto | Anybody know of any good london colo resellers? I need a 1/4 rack. |
| 14:39.13 | rhowe | Leeds: What did you do? |
| 14:39.18 | wethrin | Look at poundhost.com, maybe? |
| 14:39.27 | wethrin | (although they don't allow you to run IRC servers) |
| 14:39.45 | wethrin | Blackcat may do it |
| 14:40.10 | Blapto | I don't really want an IRC server... I'll look into them |
| 14:40.44 | Leeds | rhowe: installed debian on it :-) |
| 14:40.58 | rhowe | Leeds: incorrectly? :) |
| 14:41.40 | Blapto | And poundhost don't have very nice bandwidth schemes. |
| 14:41.59 | stephen | Blapto: kewlio.net are pretty good |
| 14:42.11 | Leeds | rhowe: nah, seems okay... now I need to work out how to add it to the existing boot menu |
| 14:43.30 | rhowe | gregj: When did I lend you that 70 quid? |
| 14:43.39 | rhowe | gregj: Want to put it in my accounts |
| 14:43.54 | gregj | on me way back from Canada |
| 14:44.01 | rhowe | gregj: Yeah, do you have a date? :) |
| 14:44.22 | gregj | that was sometime around begining of August |
| 14:44.31 | gregj | rhowe: but you got them back, right ? |
| 14:44.40 | rhowe | gregj: Yeah, sure I ddi |
| 14:44.55 | rhowe | gregj: hm.. I think it was sometime towards the end of July |
| 14:45.59 | Leeds | gregj: give me money |
| 14:46.17 | Blapto | stephen, do you know what they charge? |
| 14:46.28 | gregj | rhowe: 08/07/2005 till 12/07/2005 |
| 14:46.32 | gregj | rhowe: somewhere around that period |
| 14:46.47 | stephen | Blapto: not off hand, just finding out how much quarter racks cost direct from redbus |
| 14:46.47 | rhowe | gregj: Ah, lovely. Ta |
| 14:46.56 | gregj | Leeds: if I only would have any |
| 14:46.58 | gregj | :( |
| 14:48.02 | stephen | Blapto: how much bandwidth are you after? |
| 14:48.46 | gregj | my watch is stuppid |
| 14:48.56 | gregj | it thinks every month has 31 days |
| 14:49.03 | Blapto | Probably 1-2Mb at 95th |
| 14:49.13 | Blapto | But that needs to be somewhat flexible. |
| 14:49.21 | rhowe | Ah, I've found an Athlon XP, and it's only going to cost me a beer |
| 14:49.39 | rhowe | gregj: OK, now I just have 491 quid unaccounted for since July |
| 14:49.45 | gregj | barrel |
| 14:49.48 | rhowe | gregj: I can put that under "miscellaneous expenditure" :) |
| 14:50.16 | gregj | rhowe: chiks ;) |
| 14:50.26 | rhowe | hahaha indeed |
| 14:50.37 | rhowe | Except I tend to keep my receipts from things like meals out and train tickets |
| 14:50.48 | rhowe | It's more likely to be a mixture of beer, lunch and hm.. dunno |
| 14:50.48 | Leeds | there we go... can now boot Linux from the hard drive, boot menu |
| 14:50.58 | gregj | Leeds: on? |
| 14:51.20 | Leeds | gregj: xbox |
| 14:51.26 | Leeds | ibot change 1300 hkd to gbp |
| 14:51.52 | Leeds | is how much it cost me for a modded xbox with a couple of copied games chucked in |
| 14:54.29 | gregj | Leeds: :-) |
| 14:55.40 | Blapto | coreix look good |
| 15:01.57 | stephen | Blapto: apparently a lockable quarter rack direct from redbus costs £200/month with a £350 setup fee |
| 15:02.55 | JAV | hello! |
| 15:03.49 | Leeds | well that's working rather well |
| 15:03.54 | Leeds | evening Jango |
| 15:03.57 | Leeds | JAV! |
| 15:04.02 | rhowe | stephen: Does that include any kind of connectivity? |
| 15:04.08 | JAV | :) |
| 15:04.17 | stephen | rhowe: nope |
| 15:04.53 | Blapto | Coreix will do £299.95/month for a half rack, with 1Mbps |
| 15:05.08 | Blapto | Anyone want to colo a server? |
| 15:05.20 | rhowe | stephen: Power? :) |
| 15:06.11 | stephen | rhowe: I would hope so :) |
| 15:06.33 | George | Blapto: Leeds has a colo, you may want to try harrassing him |
| 15:06.44 | rhowe | stephen: It is Redbus... power doesn't seem to be their speciality :) |
| 15:07.31 | stephen | rhowe: hehe, though didn't the Telehouse Docklands facility lose power to a floor of the East building a while back? |
| 15:07.47 | rhowe | stephen: Hm... IIRC there was something like that.. |
| 15:07.49 | Blapto | George, I need 1/4rack, probably a whole rack inside of a year. |
| 15:08.03 | George | Blapto: what the smeg do you need a rack for? |
| 15:08.09 | Blapto | Leeds, does George speak any sense? |
| 15:08.26 | Blapto | George, a webhosting firm approached me, one of their clients is going to need 2TB of online storage. |
| 15:08.33 | George | bleh |
| 15:08.37 | Blapto | And some whacking great databases to manage it. |
| 15:09.44 | Blapto | The 1/4 rack is going to be for their development servers. They're crazy, and they have a chequebook, it's brill! |
| 15:13.57 | Leeds | Blapto: rarely |
| 15:16.03 | George | Leeds: bastard |
| 15:17.10 | Leeds | wow... the Economist website is completely different this week |
| 15:33.45 | JAV | previously it was more readable, wasn't it? |
| 15:33.56 | JAV | now more scrolling is needed |
| 15:51.46 | Leeds | yeah, I think so |
| 16:18.10 | gregj | ibot change 6898 USD to PLN |
| 16:18.19 | gregj | whoo |
| 16:18.47 | gregj | ibot change 6898 USD to GBP |
| 16:18.55 | gregj | ibot change 6898 USD to CAD |
| 16:19.22 | gregj | I think I need a new job, where they will pay me more.. |
| 16:20.26 | Leeds | probably... |
| 16:26.41 | Leeds | alright, bedtime |
| 16:37.29 | JAV | nn Leeds |
| 16:42.39 | Leeds | night |
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| 21:52.33 | wethrin | eyup, Gary |
| 21:52.37 | gary_ | helloooo |
| 21:52.45 | gary_ | hi wethrin |
| 21:52.51 | gary_ | how you doing? |
| 21:52.59 | wethrin | Blah :( |
| 21:53.07 | gary_ | oh dear |
| 21:53.09 | wethrin | Got too much work. Writing report. So I'm at work at the moment |
| 21:53.20 | gary_ | my god! |
| 21:53.32 | gary_ | a t 10 to 11 |
| 21:53.35 | wethrin | Yup |
| 21:53.45 | wethrin | I was procrastinating the last few weeks, though |
| 21:54.03 | gary_ | I see |
| 21:54.19 | gary_ | What is it that you do exactly? |
| 21:54.25 | wethrin | Organic electronics |
| 21:54.31 | gary_ | organic? |
| 21:54.50 | wethrin | Yeah. Organic chemicals instead of silicon |
| 21:54.56 | gary_ | ah! |
| 21:55.05 | gary_ | Silicon is soooo yesterday |
| 21:55.17 | wethrin | well, it's still today :) |
| 21:55.26 | gary_ | biometrics |
| 21:55.36 | wethrin | hm? |
| 21:55.58 | gary_ | Ru going to Linux conference |
| 21:56.15 | wethrin | Nope |
| 21:56.19 | gary_ | oh |
| 21:56.33 | gary_ | Can't get time off, or too far to comme? |
| 21:57.03 | wethrin | Too far to come |
| 21:57.04 | wethrin | And busy |
| 21:57.13 | gary_ | so it seems |
| 21:57.48 | gary_ | I've finally succumbed and will be buying a powerbook in about three weeks |
| 21:57.54 | gary_ | runniing Tiger |
| 21:57.55 | wethrin | Good man! |
| 21:58.04 | gary_ | Mac is FAB!!! |
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| 21:58.15 | wethrin | It is rather |
| 21:58.37 | gary_ | I thnk it helps having bsd as it's base |
| 21:58.52 | wethrin | semi-BSD |
| 21:59.00 | gary_ | indeed |
| 21:59.22 | gary_ | but a little open source is better than one at all wouldn't you say? |
| 21:59.34 | gary_ | none |
| 21:59.39 | wethrin | Well, whichever works best :) |
| 22:00.20 | wethrin | TBH, one of the reasons I got it was because it was a Unix-based OS (but not because the underlying core was free) |
| 22:00.44 | wethrin | Eww |
| 22:00.53 | z00dax | osx sux |
| 22:01.08 | z00dax | and no, not the good kind of suckage either :) |
| 22:01.25 | wethrin | howso? |
| 22:01.30 | wethrin | OS X works rather nicely IME |
| 22:01.32 | gary_ | I've heard nothing but good things about OSX |
| 22:01.52 | z00dax | I find linux to be significantly faster on the same machine than OSX is |
| 22:02.03 | z00dax | but then I dont use a lot of desktop heavy apps like OOo etc |
| 22:02.34 | wethrin | So other than the lack of support for the modem and the Airport Extreme.... |
| 22:02.47 | z00dax | basic operating / working methodology are pre-defined in OSX, not much scope to play around |
| 22:03.04 | z00dax | people still use modem's ? |
| 22:03.04 | wethrin | Yes. Otherwise it'll end up being confusing |
| 22:03.11 | wethrin | Yes. Plenty do |
| 22:03.35 | wethrin | Try going travelling sometime :-) |
| 22:03.55 | z00dax | AirportEE ... I find WiFi slow and dont really use it, I am GiB E-Net here at home and at work |
| 22:04.05 | wethrin | A lot of thought has gone into the operating/working methodology in OS X. Lots of interface designers |
| 22:04.17 | wethrin | You do large transfers that often? |
| 22:04.44 | z00dax | yeah... I run my /home from a nfs mount |
| 22:06.02 | z00dax | I like the powerpc platform, Have 2 PowerMac's ( also had an iBook thats now found a new home with my parents ) |
| 22:08.17 | wethrin | ah right |
| 22:09.18 | gary_ | At the risk of appearing dense is there anyway i can save my contacts in Evolution and also my bookmarks in firefox so I can replace them when i reinstall |
| 22:09.52 | z00dax | gary_, just copy them off elsewhere, and restore then post install |
| 22:10.28 | gary_ | what you mean like copy and paste |
| 22:12.24 | z00dax | firefox stores its bookmarks in a .html file - just copy that somewhere |
| 22:12.57 | z00dax | you can export the contacts in Evolution to a text file, and then later import it back in |
| 22:43.03 | George | moo |
| 22:43.47 | z00dax | hey George |
| 22:43.54 | George | hey |
| 22:50.48 | George | looks like I got the short straw |
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