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00:50.26 | Leeds | work time |
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04:59.12 | Leeds | morning morsing |
04:59.23 | morsing | morning |
04:59.43 | morsing | How come there are no mp3 rippers that work without Gnome? |
05:00.46 | Leeds | last ripping I did, I used a manual combination of cdparanoia and oggenc |
05:02.34 | Leeds | cousin just wandered by to say he'd been chatting with a mate who works at Star TV (Sky in Asia) and said he can get Dell kit at large discounts - enterprise prices... that 24 inch screen I've been drooling over... for about 350 quid :-) |
05:02.53 | Leeds | oh, and my Hong Kong visa is formally approved :-) |
05:10.36 | morsing | Mmmm... Congrats |
05:25.48 | mozrat | morning both |
05:26.01 | mozrat | *yawn* |
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06:22.20 | new2unix | moin all. |
06:40.09 | highbury | morning |
06:46.08 | new2unix | morning hghbury. |
07:07.37 | ufo | morning mozrat :) |
07:07.49 | ufo | morning all :) |
07:07.57 | Leeds | afternoon all |
07:12.10 | Leeds | anyone a particular alpha fan here? |
07:16.35 | Leeds | http://friendsdisenchanted.blogspot.com/2005/10/not-for-children-ladies-and-gentlemen.html |
07:18.23 | Leeds | no alpha fans? |
07:38.31 | Leeds | wethrin: ping |
07:43.39 | mozrat | Funny Bush link >> http://www.badmash.org/videos/videos_flv.php?v=george_bush_512K_Stream&t |
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07:49.47 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
07:59.19 | mozrat | Morning jason_ukfsn |
07:59.31 | mozrat | I was going to email -admin and say well done for arranging those talks |
07:59.40 | mozrat | you were obviously pressing the flesh so to speak |
08:01.47 | Leeds | there's been flesh-pressing? |
08:02.18 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn has lined up some talks for GLLUG |
08:02.22 | Leeds | cool |
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08:14.47 | jason_ukfsn | I arranged another talk this morning. |
08:15.14 | jason_ukfsn | I'm going to try and arrange a meeting on Dec 10, subject to talker availability and sean being able to book the lecture theatre |
08:15.38 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: anyone interesting you can tell us (me?) about? :-) |
08:15.56 | jason_ukfsn | All I did yesterday was realise that there were two "exchange replacement" products at the show and ask them to come and talk to us. |
08:16.10 | jason_ukfsn | Scalix want to send their tech director and Alex Hudson will talk for Hula |
08:17.08 | jason_ukfsn | This morning Chris Cannam from Rosegarden agreed to give a talk on making music under Linux. I'll combine that with a talk on editing home video and maybe try and get someone to talk about film production systems and that gives a multimedia day |
08:17.32 | jason_ukfsn | The latter I hope to do for Dec with the exchange one for Jan although I might switch them over if necessary |
08:17.38 | Leeds | nice |
08:17.58 | jason_ukfsn | I followed your suggetion and emailed Mark Shuttleworth's assistant but haven't had a reply yet. |
08:18.11 | Leeds | see, I was thinking you lot were all being really nice to me... and holding off having any more meetings until I got back to London :-> |
08:18.30 | jason_ukfsn | Others arranged to get someone from Novell and another that I've forgotten about |
08:18.46 | Leeds | so actual networking was done at the expo? wow... |
08:18.50 | jason_ukfsn | We tried Leeds but you said you weren't planning on returning any time soon. |
08:19.10 | jason_ukfsn | Alas, networking was the one thing that failed - there was no internet access :( |
08:19.24 | jason_ukfsn | Lots of wireless networks popping up and then vanishing though |
08:19.38 | Leeds | heh |
08:19.50 | jason_ukfsn | Lance from uklinux tried to bridge a BT openwoe hotspot from downstairs but didn't seem to manage it. |
08:20.20 | jason_ukfsn | The official internet suppliers for olympia want over £350 per day to supply a 128K connection |
08:20.45 | jason_ukfsn | Others pointed out last night it would be cheaper to buy a Vodafone 3G card although that would attract 12 month contract issues. |
08:21.02 | jason_ukfsn | I might have done so if it had been possible to buy it on a short contract |
08:21.49 | jason_ukfsn | how's life in HK? |
08:21.58 | Leeds | ah, sweet unmetered fully-routed GRPS for 9 quid a month with no minimum... |
08:22.37 | Leeds | it's alright... been off work for new year stuff for a couple of days... got another religious day off next week, plus a public holiday... |
08:22.56 | Leeds | mate from Sun is in town today - going to meet up with him this evening |
08:23.29 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: how much is the roaming rate for UK use? |
08:23.32 | Leeds | how's London? |
08:23.50 | jason_ukfsn | It might be worth getting one of those if it's not too expensive just to use it here! ;) |
08:24.26 | jason_ukfsn | I was in London yesterday and ended up traveling home during rush hour. Oh how I did not enjoy that. I had forgotten how bad it can be |
08:24.41 | Leeds | uk roaming is 0.08hkd per kb on orange |
08:24.54 | Leeds | ibot change 0.08 hkd to gbp |
08:25.27 | Leeds | in Sri Lanka, I was paying 0.04lkr per kb on a payg sim |
08:25.32 | Leeds | ibot change 0.04 lkr to gbp |
08:25.38 | jason_ukfsn | so that's about £6 per MB |
08:25.48 | Leeds | yeah |
08:26.17 | jason_ukfsn | It's a shame you weren't here yesterday then ;) |
08:26.39 | jason_ukfsn | I'm not going to the expo today so I am back to a decent connectio. |
08:26.57 | Leeds | it's good enough that with a decent email app - which I've got - I don't bother firing up a PC email app when I'm not at work |
08:27.23 | mozrat | Public Service Annoucement: The Bagel stand in Paddington station has had a power cut so anyone heading that way for toasted bagels should make alternative arrangments |
08:27.41 | mozrat | and secondly, cold bagels don't taste very god |
08:27.42 | Leeds | I'm sorry... the cost in Sri Lanka was 1/2 that |
08:27.42 | mozrat | good |
08:27.53 | Leeds | mozrat: *fresh* cold bagels are fine |
08:28.59 | jason_ukfsn | does anyone eat bagels that aren't fresh? |
08:29.16 | jason_ukfsn | My experience is that bagel bakeries are open pretty much all the time |
08:29.25 | Leeds | you can toast them for a couple of days, but eating them cold after about 12-24 hours sucks |
08:29.30 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: not the kosher ones :-) |
08:29.39 | jason_ukfsn | LOL |
08:31.54 | Leeds | they are extremely atkins unfriendly... very low in fat, very high in carbs |
08:33.04 | jason_ukfsn | I don't mind. The weight is falling off me and I can eat lots of meat. Life is good ;) |
08:33.46 | mozrat | gah - tfl.gov.uk crashes firefox on the bus route planner |
08:33.48 | morsing_ | Mmm... meat |
08:40.33 | highbury | jason_ukfsn: so you got wireless working then? |
08:41.09 | highbury | tarragon got SUSE to agree and give us a talk |
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08:42.16 | \simon | hi alllllll |
08:42.25 | mozrat | \simon! |
08:43.36 | Leeds | afternoon \simon |
08:44.15 | \simon | Leeds: where are you? |
08:44.32 | jason_ukfsn | highbury: no, I'm not at the expo today |
08:45.34 | Leeds | \simon: Tsuen Wan |
08:47.26 | \simon | cool |
08:47.39 | Leeds | airdon |
08:47.42 | Leeds | aircon! |
08:51.19 | Leeds | ah, thank you kind sir |
08:51.29 | Leeds | mozrat: you interested in alpha machines? |
08:51.46 | mozrat | Leeds, haven't been in the past really |
08:51.48 | mozrat | why do you ask? |
08:52.41 | mozrat | Ummmm, Leeds. I assumed http://friendsdisenchanted.blogspot.com/2005/10/not-for-children-ladies-and-gentlemen.html had something to do with Alpha machines |
08:52.50 | mozrat | can you even run Linux on that device? :) |
08:53.20 | Leeds | no, as far as I know it has nothing to do with alpha machines :-) |
08:53.38 | Leeds | I'm asking because I know someone who is trying to find a good home for some before they get destroyed |
08:53.46 | mozrat | in London? |
08:54.03 | Leeds | nope, in Cambridge, MA - but as far as I know he can ship them |
08:54.33 | mozrat | Hmm, maybe I am interested if they are good enough to be a low end server? |
08:54.40 | Leeds | no idea on specs |
08:55.11 | Leeds | he asked me if I wanted any, since we've chatted about RISC boxen before, but I really don't have any space here |
08:55.17 | mozrat | anyway - shall be IRCing from the expo |
08:55.23 | Leeds | cool |
08:55.23 | mozrat | I'm taking my own bandwidth wth me |
08:55.58 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: be warned there was no 'net access yesterday and might not be today |
08:56.14 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: GPRS on my blackberry :) |
08:56.19 | jason_ukfsn | Ah. |
08:56.25 | jason_ukfsn | is that sharable? |
08:56.38 | Leeds | "so I am cleaning up the equipment room. I might have a few extra alpha systems. what do you have space for? all I need is an address, for the shippers. anything with a shipping label gets shipped. anything without a label gets crushed and burned." |
08:56.42 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: no, the Blackberry doesn't have any interfaces or bluetooth |
08:56.46 | mozrat | I think the newer ones do |
08:56.54 | Leeds | mozrat: bah - get a real smartphone |
08:57.25 | mozrat | Leeds: I don't pay any charges on this phone (apart from people ringing me at odd times) so I'm happy with the arrangement |
08:58.22 | Leeds | I used loads of gprs, quite a few sms, a little roaming grps/sms/voice last month, and I just got a bill for $202 |
08:59.00 | Leeds | ibot change 202 hkd to gbp |
08:59.37 | mozrat | probably be a lot more in the UK though |
08:59.58 | mozrat | anyway bbiab |
09:12.01 | wethrin | Leeds: pong |
09:12.43 | jason_ukfsn | how can you tell at this distance wethrin ? |
09:12.59 | wethrin | It's the place he lives :-) |
09:13.29 | Leeds | wethrin: ping |
09:13.49 | Leeds | wethrin: did you see my quote above? |
09:14.04 | wethrin | Yes |
09:14.08 | wethrin | Which Alpha systems? |
09:14.29 | Leeds | unspecified |
09:14.49 | wethrin | Go for it |
09:33.48 | ufo | mozrat: ? |
09:36.15 | morsing_ | wethrin! You're back! |
09:39.18 | wethrin | I am |
09:40.16 | morsing_ | How was your holiday? |
09:42.10 | wethrin | I didn't have a holiday |
09:42.13 | wethrin | I was just busy :) |
09:42.25 | wethrin | And doing stalls for Freshers' Fair at the student union |
09:42.35 | \simon | http://xenion.antifork.org/files/hopfake-2.0.BETA1.tgz |
09:42.56 | Leeds | \simon: and this is? :-) |
09:43.40 | \simon | "hopfake lets you to log and fake *any* type of traceroute" |
09:54.33 | morsing_ | -su: ./nmon2rrdv10: cannot execute binary file |
09:54.35 | morsing_ | ?! |
09:54.45 | Leeds | oops |
09:55.26 | morsing_ | Ahhh... |
09:55.27 | morsing_ | ./nmon2rrdv10: executable (RISC System/6000 V3.1) or obj module not stripped |
09:55.30 | morsing_ | Annoying! |
09:55.39 | morsing_ | Doesn't it exist for x86? |
10:03.39 | morsing_ | open("/webdomains/morsing.cc/nmon//rrd_top", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = 4 |
10:03.39 | morsing_ | close(4) = 0 |
10:03.39 | morsing_ | write(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s) |
10:03.39 | morsing_ | ) = 28 |
10:03.39 | morsing_ | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
10:03.41 | morsing_ | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
10:03.49 | morsing_ | How do I found out what's wrong? |
10:08.47 | \simon | mozrat: go to the FUDCon! |
10:09.06 | morsing_ | I HATE ANNOYING NORWEGIAN PEOPLE - Aaaarrggghhhhh |
10:10.03 | Leeds | hometime! |
10:10.33 | morsing_ | How can this C code write to handle 1 without opening it? |
10:11.53 | morsing_ | ibot wake George |
10:11.54 | ibot | George: GOOD MORNING!!! |
10:12.11 | morsing_ | wethrin: Are you busy? |
10:12.35 | \simon | morsing_: isnt 1 the stdout? |
10:13.04 | morsing_ | But doesn't it have to open it first? Plus it doesn't output to my screen so it must be redirected |
10:13.47 | \simon | no you dont have to open stdout... do you open the stdout before a printf? |
10:14.25 | morsing_ | But since it actually goes into a file...?! |
10:14.51 | \simon | that's a shell businnes |
10:15.05 | \simon | command > debug.txt |
10:15.38 | \simon | it's the shell that connect the "command" stdout to a file handle (opened by the shell) |
10:17.43 | \simon | ok brb 5 mins |
10:30.19 | wethrin | morsing_: Yes, generally :-) |
10:40.18 | \simon | do you know if there is any package for redhat/fedora that monitor the disk usage and that notifies you when your disk space is running low? I can do it with a cron script but i'm searching something fancy:) |
10:43.04 | wethrin | Nagios? |
10:44.52 | \simon | yah that looks fancy thanks :) |
10:55.40 | morsing_ | wethrin: So you haven't got time to look at my nmon problem then? |
10:55.45 | morsing_ | Segmentation fault |
10:56.11 | wethrin | morsing_: Sadly not ATM. I don't really know anything about it anyway |
10:58.25 | morsing_ | Where's George when you need him! |
10:58.28 | \simon | morsing_: anyway the output is to your screen |
10:58.40 | \simon | do you see it? |
10:59.09 | \simon | this is the strace part: |
10:59.11 | \simon | write(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28) = 28 |
10:59.18 | wethrin | morsing_: No-one needs George! |
10:59.24 | \simon | and in the middle there is the output to your screen: |
10:59.32 | \simon | Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s) |
10:59.36 | \simon | mixed: |
10:59.40 | \simon | write(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s) |
10:59.42 | \simon | ) = 28 |
10:59.48 | morsing_ | What's 28? |
11:00.11 | \simon | man 2 write |
11:00.24 | \simon | it's the number of the byte written |
11:00.30 | morsing_ | WARNING: missing "AAA,cpus" line assuming 1 |
11:00.30 | morsing_ | cpus=1 online out of a maximum of -1209020816 |
11:00.33 | morsing_ | Weird |
11:00.47 | \simon | bytes* |
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11:10.55 | mozrat | simon!!! what day is Linux day in Italy |
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11:15.09 | \simon | mozrat: 26th november |
11:31.08 | \simon | lasagne *drool* |
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11:55.15 | morsing_ | beer |
12:11.48 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: are you still about? |
12:27.58 | morsing_ | Mmm... Bulk degausser |
12:29.18 | Cope | is there a general colour code for soundcards? The symbols are meaningless, but I have red, green and pink sockets |
12:37.14 | mozrat | is new2unix actually a real person? |
12:38.04 | jason_ukfsn | yes mozrat he is. He was on the OpenBSD stand yesterday at the expo |
12:38.20 | mozrat | .. |
12:38.29 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: can you check with whoever is on the gllug stand to see if anyone from Ubuntu has confirmed if we're getting a talk on the 14th? |
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12:38.55 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: can you check with whoever is on the gllug stand to see if anyone from Ubuntu has confirmed if we're getting a talk on the 14th? |
12:39.26 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn, i spoke to JohnSouthern and he said it was on! |
12:39.48 | mozrat | but im now on the platform at Olympia |
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13:17.31 | mozrat | ufo, on my blackberry on a train at the moment |
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13:22.48 | morsing_ | ebbeyes! |
13:22.53 | morsing_ | ibot! |
13:23.06 | morsing_ | ~seen eye69 |
13:23.10 | ibot | eye69 is currently on #debian #gllug |
13:23.24 | morsing_ | ibot wake eye69 |
13:23.26 | ibot | eye69: GOOD MORNING!!! |
13:24.51 | jason_ukfsn | Can anyone remember the name of the Ubuntu person coming and the time we're holding the meeting? |
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13:25.43 | Cope | ok i admit it |
13:25.51 | Cope | I'm impressed with suse 9.3 professional |
13:25.56 | formi | hiya |
13:26.00 | Cope | it really is very very good |
13:26.02 | Cope | yo formi |
13:26.51 | formi | as usual I am chasing a bit of help |
13:27.07 | formi | any mysql gurus in here? |
13:27.08 | Cope | but my head's not very clear |
13:27.26 | Cope | formi: certainly not me, but ask anyway |
13:28.11 | formi | i am wondering if you can have a table with fields that are actually references to another field on another table |
13:28.11 | Cope | i usually find all I need to know here: hashmysql.org |
13:33.36 | formi | not what I am lookingfor |
13:33.45 | Cope | fair enough |
13:50.35 | mozrat | ufo ping |
13:50.47 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: Jeff Waugh |
13:50.50 | mozrat | don't know timings |
13:53.46 | \simon | mozrat: how was the expo? |
13:53.53 | mozrat | \simon, very good :) |
13:54.07 | mozrat | we were talking about Italy's Linux day |
13:54.10 | mozrat | when is it again? |
13:54.44 | \simon | 26th november |
13:55.04 | \simon | you can come visit :) |
13:55.49 | \simon | hey mozrat does exists a blackbarry with gsm and wifi? i was searching the site but i couldnt find one |
13:56.33 | mozrat | \simon, A blackberry is a wireless device that uses GPRS and optionally GSM if GPRS isn't available |
13:56.45 | mozrat | There is a WLAN version now but it is rubbish |
13:57.15 | mozrat | it is WLAN only instead of having a roaming handset that you can roam between WLAN and GPRS |
13:57.21 | mozrat | I'm back at my desk now btw :) |
13:57.36 | \simon | yah sorry i said gsm to mean that it's a phone... gprs is too much expensive here |
13:58.00 | \simon | ok let me clear out... :) |
13:58.04 | mozrat | so at the moment there is not a Blackberry with both WLAN and GSM no |
13:58.25 | mozrat | but without GPRS a blackberry is pretty much useless anywya |
13:58.26 | \simon | i want a gsm triband phone with wifi |
13:58.36 | mozrat | right - you don;t want a blackberry then :) |
13:58.55 | \simon | i see... i saw a ipaq like that some time ago |
13:59.03 | mozrat | those triband phones do exist (and I want one) but I don't know a lot about them |
13:59.11 | mozrat | I know you can convert a Zaurus to triband |
13:59.22 | \simon | ipaq 6340 or something |
14:00.37 | \simon | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-4873205.html |
14:01.39 | \simon | Wireless Technologies description |
14:01.40 | \simon | Integrated quad band GSM/GPRS, WLAN 802.11b, Bluetooth® 1.1, IrDA |
14:01.59 | highbury | Cope: SUSE 10.0 will be out later today! |
14:02.34 | highbury | jason_ukfsn: are you ok updating the website? otherwise I can do it this evening |
14:03.08 | highbury | the details were on the gllugadmin mailing list |
14:08.13 | ufo | mozrat: pong |
14:08.26 | mozrat | ufo hi! |
14:08.33 | ufo | howg :) |
14:08.35 | mozrat | I'm back on a proper computer now |
14:08.52 | ufo | can you read priv windows? |
14:09.02 | mozrat | if you register :) |
14:09.12 | ufo | not OS :P |
14:09.19 | ufo | msg |
14:09.21 | mozrat | Freenode requires registered nicks to pm now |
14:09.56 | ufo | pfff |
14:10.28 | wethrin | You can receive messages from unregistered nicks |
14:10.39 | wethrin | but only if you ask nickserv niceely |
14:10.39 | mozrat | wethrin: you sure? |
14:10.43 | mozrat | ah |
14:10.47 | mozrat | how do you do that then |
14:10.54 | wethrin | /msg nickserv help |
14:13.06 | ufo | no such option |
14:13.20 | mozrat | ufo - try to pm me again pls |
14:13.31 | ufo | trying |
14:13.51 | mozrat | there you go :) |
14:13.55 | mozrat | cheers wethrin |
14:14.16 | wethrin | ufo: Register your nick :-P |
14:14.30 | ufo | it's already registered |
14:14.42 | wethrin | Hm |
14:15.07 | ufo | but not by me |
14:15.59 | mozrat | lol |
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14:46.03 | highbury | looks like suse 10 is now out, all the ftp sites have frozen |
14:48.39 | Cope | indee |
14:49.14 | Cope | which, when I am struggling to get audacity installed on 9.3 is a but of a huge PITA |
14:50.58 | Cope | ok countdown before I scrap this and put debian on starts now |
14:51.07 | Cope | it is really nice, lovely design, etc |
14:51.21 | Cope | but its taken me 2 hours to do something that would take 5 mins in debian |
14:51.52 | Cope | and I still haven't got anywhere close to resloving the gazillion dependencies, regardless of how many different repositories I throw at yast |
14:52.35 | mozrat | the GLLUG stand at the expo had some interest |
14:52.37 | jason_ukfsn | highbury: I have done a basic update to the website and will finish it off properly later. I just need confirmation of the time for the meeting |
14:53.41 | Cope | right |
14:53.43 | Cope | enough is enough |
14:53.45 | Cope | init 6 |
14:59.15 | morsing_ | Moo... |
15:00.52 | wethrin | innit |
15:01.17 | morsing_ | oracle is installed on D:\ |
15:01.22 | wethrin | heh |
15:01.36 | morsing_ | Weird what some people do! |
15:02.02 | wethrin | Yes |
15:14.52 | eye69 | G'd afternoon |
15:14.58 | mozrat | ah-ha!!! |
15:15.07 | mozrat | hello eye69 |
15:16.23 | morsing_ | eye69! |
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15:16.31 | morsing_ | Where have you been? |
15:16.47 | mozrat | Leeds, I made a payment to the bank of Cohen this afternoon |
15:17.28 | Leeds | morsing_: asking me? |
15:17.31 | Leeds | mozrat: thanks for that |
15:17.44 | mozrat | Leeds, yw and thanks to you |
15:17.45 | eye69 | morsing_: Holiday in my home town |
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15:41.31 | jason_ukfsn | re all |
15:41.34 | mozrat | hey |
15:42.30 | Leeds | evening jason_ukfsn |
15:42.56 | jason_ukfsn | indeed it is Leeds - bloody dull and dreary one here too |
15:45.29 | mozrat | Leeds, nice |
15:45.37 | mozrat | JAV, do you run Linux on the iPaq? |
15:45.50 | mozrat | Seeing how \simon mentioned they are triband I'm tempted by one |
15:46.01 | mozrat | but I don't want to run WindowsCE |
15:46.08 | Leeds | mozrat: you can't run Linux on any ipaq phones afaik |
15:46.21 | Leeds | and/or you can't use the phone on an ipaq running linux |
15:46.37 | mozrat | Leeds, I think the second one |
15:46.46 | mozrat | shame |
15:47.00 | JAV | not yet, it's on 95% of its first battery charge :D (arrived this morning) |
15:47.02 | mozrat | the battery life on a zaurus is too pitiful to even think of using it as a phone |
15:47.10 | mozrat | JAV, nice!!! |
15:47.31 | JAV | two hx4700 (not phone) |
15:48.05 | Leeds | JAV: remember I mentioned that my boss was thinking about barcode scanner things? Today he mentioned maybe using a palm with them :-) |
15:49.30 | JAV | http://www.socketcom.com/product/IS5300-464.asp --> maybe this reader would be a good idea :D |
15:50.19 | mozrat | http://www.beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/31-LinuxWorld-Conference-and-Expo.html << /me blogs about todays expo |
15:51.37 | Leeds | mozrat: that doesn't look like a planet-bot! :-) |
15:51.49 | mozrat | Leeds: It's a manual one :) |
15:52.07 | mozrat | Leeds: I've downloaded 3 separate Python IRC bots to pick apart on my flight today |
15:52.17 | mozrat | and I've installed ircd on my laptop |
15:54.22 | Leeds | heh... I rsynced my software in Hong Kong to my laptop in Sri Lanka so I could work on it... and I've been known to work on the bus into work |
15:55.03 | mozrat | Leeds: this is why I want a 12" laptop (IBM X40 please) so I can do more stuff on the move |
15:55.25 | mozrat | the 14" isn't that much bigger but it's enough to not bother getting out on the tube etc |
15:55.58 | Leeds | yeah... I have about 45 minutes on the bus when I get it (when I can't get a lift with the cousins) and I can almost always get a double seat |
15:56.12 | mozrat | prime hacking time |
15:57.14 | Leeds | indeed... but also prime sleeping and/or podcast-listening time |
15:59.04 | jason_ukfsn | I find public transport it great prime reading time |
15:59.22 | Leeds | ibot seen france |
15:59.28 | ibot | france is currently on #gpe #familiar #oe #opie #handhelds.org |
15:59.47 | Leeds | ibot you fool... how long has france been idle? |
16:00.27 | jason_ukfsn | ibot abuse Leeds |
16:00.28 | ibot | ACTION smacks Leeds across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
16:00.47 | Leeds | ibot apologise! |
16:01.05 | Leeds | ibot apologize |
16:01.07 | ibot | ACTION apologizes to leeds |
16:01.32 | Leeds | ibot apologize to jason_ukfsn |
16:02.05 | wethrin | Leeds: He's being and idle git |
16:02.17 | Leeds | wethrin: did you ping him? |
16:02.24 | wethrin | well, no. |
16:02.49 | Leeds | I just did... but given that he's normally online when I get into work in the morning... he tends to be later rather than earlier |
16:03.01 | wethrin | ahh |
16:03.53 | Leeds | remember he's in EST |
16:03.57 | Leeds | or EDT |
16:04.28 | wethrin | Yes, it'd be midday there |
16:05.50 | Leeds | midnight here... I should sleep |
16:06.11 | wethrin | Yes, but you won't just yet :) |
16:09.28 | Leeds | true |
16:15.57 | jason_ukfsn | does anyone know what time we're having the ubuntu talk? |
16:37.47 | Leeds | mozrat: .01? |
16:37.56 | mozrat | 127.0.0.1? |
16:37.58 | mozrat | yes |
16:38.06 | mozrat | oh, the bank? |
16:38.47 | Leeds | yes |
16:38.51 | mozrat | heh |
16:39.19 | Leeds | been credited, anyway :-) |
16:39.26 | mozrat | good |
16:39.49 | mozrat | I did it in cash over the counter so it should have been instant |
16:40.03 | Leeds | just got to wait and see how long it takes to arrive... and if the bastards catch it |
16:40.12 | mozrat | yeah |
16:40.14 | Leeds | you did 0.01 over the counter? :-) |
16:40.25 | mozrat | 46.01 |
16:40.49 | Leeds | yeah... why the 0.01? |
16:41.03 | mozrat | well. i was feeling typically silly |
16:41.29 | Leeds | fair enough... I guess I owe you a drop or two of beer then |
16:45.03 | mozrat | Leeds, other way around really |
16:45.13 | mozrat | next time you are in London |
16:45.43 | Leeds | or next time you're in HK :-) |
16:47.14 | mozrat | being in HK would be a "good thing" |
16:48.22 | Leeds | indeed |
16:49.01 | Leeds | managed to find a dedicated mobile phone shopping center this evening, to go alongside the dedicated gaming and computing ones |
16:49.20 | mozrat | a whole shopping center? |
16:49.22 | mozrat | thats mad |
16:50.49 | Leeds | couple of floors, lots of tiny little shops stacked to the roof with phones |
16:51.09 | Leeds | myabe 30-50 shops |
16:52.01 | mozrat | crazy hong kongese people |
16:52.02 | Leeds | actually, I only saw 2 floors - think there was another one |
16:52.47 | mozrat | excellent - I have a Thinkpad inflight charger |
16:52.54 | mozrat | fantastic!!!! |
16:56.25 | Cope | Excuse me, can I ask a meta-question please? ;-) |
16:56.30 | Leeds | good luck... I've had trouble getting virgin power working before |
16:56.42 | Leeds | Cope: don't ask to ask :-) |
16:56.50 | Cope | Leeds: it was a joke. |
16:57.05 | Leeds | ah, so it was |
16:57.21 | Leeds | oops |
16:57.50 | Cope | Seriously though, I'm trying to record from vinyl to wav using audacity, which is working fine, but I can't hear/monitor what is being recorded, and I don't have a tape-loop facility |
16:58.02 | Cope | Any idea how to hear what I am recording as I record it? |
16:58.12 | Cope | ie to hear what is going into /dev/dsp |
17:01.16 | mozrat | see you guys tomorrow |
17:02.30 | Cope | Audacity documentation calls this "playthrough", which means having the computer play the track that you are currently recording, as you are recording it. You may be able to enable this using your operating system's Mixer or Sound control panel, but Audacity does not have an option to turn on Playthrough directly. |
17:14.40 | JAV | Cope: try alsamixer |
17:15.30 | JAV | pressing TAB you change between Playback/Capture/All |
17:16.21 | Cope | JAV: yeah - currently replacing oss with alsa |
17:16.33 | JAV | then with SPACE you can select the capture device |
17:16.35 | JAV | ok :D |
17:16.44 | JAV | let me see |
17:17.22 | JAV | maybe aumix have the same funcionality |
17:17.28 | JAV | yes, I recall |
17:22.28 | Cope | developments |
17:22.45 | Cope | i know have alsa instead of oss, and when I 'record' I can hear |
17:22.58 | Cope | but audacity isn't seeing any input on /dev/dsp |
17:33.06 | JAV | did you set line as the capture device? |
17:35.26 | JAV | # cat /dev/sndstat |
17:35.56 | JAV | anyway I don't know if /dev/dsp is the right place for an alsa device |
17:36.12 | JAV | they are placed in /dev/snd/ |
17:50.15 | Cope | right |
17:51.13 | Cope | JAV: What am I looking for in sndstat? |
17:51.24 | Cope | as for capture devices |
17:51.33 | Cope | i think i selected both line and mic |
17:56.30 | George | morsing: pong |
17:57.48 | JAV | Cope: well, once you select line... change it for "capture" or "mix" O:) |
17:58.54 | Cope | i don't see 'mix' |
18:00.17 | Cope | at the moment, line is set for capture |
18:00.27 | Cope | still no evidence of it being captured |
18:00.43 | Cope | if I change it to mic, there's no difference |
18:00.48 | z00dax | hey everyone |
18:01.52 | Cope | hi |
18:03.26 | JAV | what devices do audacity let you select? |
18:03.48 | JAV | (audacity preferences) |
18:04.11 | Cope | just /dev/dsp |
18:04.14 | Cope | which I think is fine |
18:05.09 | JAV | that's oss, but it should work |
18:05.24 | JAV | I think it's a mixer thing |
18:05.35 | Cope | well; there's no signal - yes; could well be |
18:05.37 | George | hey Cope |
18:05.41 | Cope | hiya George |
18:06.07 | George | Cope: all the merchandise for LWCE arrived today *sigh* |
18:06.14 | George | I now have 4 stuffed kde dragons and 5 kde tshirts |
18:06.16 | George | :( |
18:07.50 | Cope | heh |
18:08.26 | Cope | JAV: right, at present in alsamixer, i can change the volume (playthrough volume) by altering the 'line' level |
18:08.42 | Cope | but that doesn't alter the signal i see recorded in audacity |
18:09.36 | Cope | and likewise, if I move the 'input' into the mic socket, altering mic does the same |
18:11.00 | Cope | ah |
18:11.06 | JAV | I recall something like this with a video capturer |
18:11.07 | Cope | i think we're getting somewhere |
18:11.17 | JAV | the route is the problem |
18:11.35 | JAV | setting the right capture device |
18:11.48 | Cope | ok we have sound level |
18:11.51 | JAV | so you capture ... |
18:11.52 | JAV | ok |
18:11.53 | JAV | :D |
18:12.17 | Cope | good - and I can alter the capture level |
18:12.26 | Cope | by changing the master 'capture' |
18:16.46 | Cope | cool all working |
18:16.49 | Cope | thanks a lot JAV |
18:22.11 | JAV | your welcome |
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18:54.52 | Cope | George: did I give you a bunch of isa soundcards? |
18:54.57 | George | no |
18:55.00 | George | I don't have ISA. |
18:55.00 | Cope | hrm |
18:55.05 | Cope | I can't find them |
18:55.27 | Cope | the onboard line-in is plagued by interference from fans, and crackles |
18:55.30 | George | lol |
18:55.40 | George | sound cards are a quid at the flea market.. |
18:55.46 | Cope | yeah |
18:56.03 | Cope | not that handy at 8pm in deepest darkest hampshire, on a thursday night. |
18:56.16 | George | :P |
19:12.15 | JAV | Cope: turn off fans! |
19:12.16 | JAV | :D |
19:15.45 | Cope | JAV: umm - it will get too hot! |
19:18.43 | Cope | Is this guy for real: |
19:18.47 | Cope | Good hello, |
19:18.47 | Cope | I am havening many Sun servers. I am new to Solaris and too lazy to |
19:18.47 | Cope | research the problem myself so I beg of you to send me informations so I |
19:18.47 | Cope | don't have to do my job. I am pleased to contact you and many thanks of |
19:18.47 | Cope | you. |
19:18.50 | Cope | Whats this: "try google.com first"? |
19:19.49 | Cope | I think this must be satire. |
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20:03.29 | George | moo |
20:32.18 | new2unix | hello George. |
20:32.22 | George | hi |
20:32.27 | George | new2unix: z00dax was looking for you |
20:32.29 | George | at LWCE |
20:32.56 | new2unix | really? i was there. yesterday only. |
20:33.06 | new2unix | did you go? |
20:33.26 | z00dax | between the two of us, we could not work out a) your name or b) which booth you said you were going to be at |
20:34.32 | new2unix | i'm sure i mentioned OpenBSD during our conversations. |
20:35.37 | new2unix | You probably saw me but didnt realise. infact i probably tried flogging you both an OpenBSD tshirt without even knowing. lol |
20:41.49 | z00dax | ah OpenBSD.... |
20:41.59 | z00dax | I only went looking for people today |
20:42.04 | z00dax | so i guess you were not around then |
20:44.36 | new2unix | So you missed the Lonix meeting. Oh well. |
20:45.20 | George | mozrat: liking the blog. |
20:49.12 | Blissex | George: were you there at the KDE stand? |
20:49.20 | George | Blissex: yes. |
20:49.23 | George | Blissex: I was organiser |
20:49.39 | Blissex | new2unix: I think I bought an OpenSSH t-shirt from you... |
20:50.07 | Blissex | George: were you the white face teenager with the bad haircut? :-) |
20:50.15 | George | Blissex: I have a haircut? |
20:50.40 | Blissex | George: because I was trying to complaint about something and getting fobbed off to the poor gnomes nearby... |
20:50.51 | George | by me? |
20:51.03 | Blissex | George: by everybody at the KDE stand :-). |
20:51.09 | George | hah. |
20:52.03 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/me.png |
20:55.53 | Blissex | George: that was you, you were a bit less pixelated in person. Antialiasing? :-) |
20:56.07 | George | ok. |
20:56.10 | George | and who are you? |
20:56.44 | Blissex | George: the guy with a blue jacket who wanted to complain :-) |
20:56.52 | George | picture? |
20:58.05 | Blissex | George: Argh, I don't have a picture of myself easily accessible. But I should do a talk soon at some GLLUG meeting, if one ever happens again. |
20:58.21 | George | useless bum. |
20:58.33 | Blissex | wait a sec, Ill try with a webcam I should have one around. |
21:00.33 | Blissex | George: but I got a delirious geeky website here http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/ and this is my complaint: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111564 |
21:01.45 | Blissex | and this is my list of other minor KDE complaints and suggestions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxKDE.html |
21:02.35 | George | you know we hate you? :) |
21:03.33 | Blissex | George: any particular reason(s)? :-) |
21:03.39 | George | nah |
21:03.40 | George | "The KDE developers have also managed by and large to restrain themselves from making a whole mess like GNOME, and to maintain some degree of consistency and discipline in the implementation." |
21:03.44 | George | heh. |
21:04.56 | Blissex | George: I am not natively english, and that was my attempt at 1) damn with faint praise 2) damn by association :-) |
21:06.02 | Blissex | new2unix: I think that someone needs a girlfriend or a wife more than an investment broker/accountant. And if he has one, she needs to be canonized :-) |
21:07.29 | new2unix | Blissex: dont be mean. :) |
21:08.50 | Blissex | heheheh. |
21:18.55 | Blissex | George: OK, this is pretty terrible, but my wcam is awful and the driver does bad things with it: http://WWWW.sabi.co.UK/x/I/wcam.jpg |
21:19.30 | George | The requested URL /x/I/wcam.jpg was not found on this server. |
21:28.30 | Blissex | forgot to upload it and wrong speling too. http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/x/I/wcam.jpg |
21:28.44 | Blissex | forgot to upload it and wrong speling too. http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/I/wcam.jpg |
21:28.47 | Blissex | bah! |
21:29.17 | George | don't recognise you :P |
21:30.37 | Blissex | George: can't blame you -- it is terrible photo, I look much more jovial in person. |
21:30.46 | George | :P |
21:32.00 | Blissex | George: But I came around a couple of times -- and if you come to the next OxLUG or GLLUG meeting you may enjoy a wonderful presentation by myself on one of several of my pet peeves. Current favourites: font configuration and file systems. |
21:32.12 | George | hah |
21:33.59 | Blissex | George: basically a rehash of my rants on http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/ and descendants... |
21:35.30 | George | heh |
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23:02.12 | new2unix | nite all |
23:45.58 | Leeds | mornin' all |
23:46.55 | wethrin | HELLO |
23:48.57 | Leeds | wethrin: no, no particular sign of france |
23:49.44 | wethrin | Did he get invaded again? |
23:51.10 | JAV | morning |
23:52.12 | Leeds | don't think so... |
23:52.58 | Leeds | meanwhile, blogs are apparently suddenly worth millions |
23:53.03 | wethrin | Oh? |
23:53.58 | Leeds | two blog companies got bought yesterday - one by AOL, t'other by verisign |
23:54.21 | wethrin | which ones? |
23:54.30 | wethrin | All your comments belong to AOL? |
23:55.50 | Leeds | weblogs inc by aol, weblogs.com by verisign, apparently |
23:55.58 | wethrin | Right |