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00:50.26Leedswork time
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04:59.12Leedsmorning morsing
04:59.23morsingmorning
04:59.43morsingHow come there are no mp3 rippers that work without Gnome?
05:00.46Leedslast ripping I did, I used a manual combination of cdparanoia and oggenc
05:02.34Leedscousin just wandered by to say he'd been chatting with a mate who works at Star TV (Sky in Asia) and said he can get Dell kit at large discounts - enterprise prices... that 24 inch screen I've been drooling over... for about 350 quid :-)
05:02.53Leedsoh, and my Hong Kong visa is formally approved :-)
05:10.36morsingMmmm... Congrats
05:25.48mozratmorning both
05:26.01mozrat*yawn*
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06:22.20new2unixmoin all.
06:40.09highburymorning
06:46.08new2unixmorning hghbury.
07:07.37ufomorning mozrat :)
07:07.49ufomorning all :)
07:07.57Leedsafternoon all
07:12.10Leedsanyone a particular alpha fan here?
07:16.35Leedshttp://friendsdisenchanted.blogspot.com/2005/10/not-for-children-ladies-and-gentlemen.html
07:18.23Leedsno alpha fans?
07:38.31Leedswethrin: ping
07:43.39mozratFunny Bush link >> http://www.badmash.org/videos/videos_flv.php?v=george_bush_512K_Stream&t
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07:49.47jason_ukfsnmorning all
07:59.19mozratMorning jason_ukfsn
07:59.31mozratI was going to email -admin and say well done for arranging those talks
07:59.40mozratyou were obviously pressing the flesh so to speak
08:01.47Leedsthere's been flesh-pressing?
08:02.18mozratjason_ukfsn has lined up some talks for GLLUG
08:02.22Leedscool
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08:14.47jason_ukfsnI arranged another talk this morning.
08:15.14jason_ukfsnI'm going to try and arrange a meeting on Dec 10, subject to talker availability and sean being able to book the lecture theatre
08:15.38Leedsjason_ukfsn: anyone interesting you can tell us (me?) about? :-)
08:15.56jason_ukfsnAll I did yesterday was realise that there were two "exchange replacement" products at the show and ask them to come and talk to us.
08:16.10jason_ukfsnScalix want to send their tech director and Alex Hudson will talk for Hula
08:17.08jason_ukfsnThis morning Chris Cannam from Rosegarden agreed to give a talk on making music under Linux. I'll combine that with a talk on editing home video and maybe try and get someone to talk about film production systems and that gives a multimedia day
08:17.32jason_ukfsnThe latter I hope to do for Dec with the exchange one for Jan although I might switch them over if necessary
08:17.38Leedsnice
08:17.58jason_ukfsnI followed your suggetion and emailed Mark Shuttleworth's assistant but haven't had a reply yet.
08:18.11Leedssee, I was thinking you lot were all being really nice to me... and holding off having any more meetings until I got back to London :->
08:18.30jason_ukfsnOthers arranged to get someone from Novell and another that I've forgotten about
08:18.46Leedsso actual networking was done at the expo?  wow...
08:18.50jason_ukfsnWe tried Leeds  but you said you weren't planning on returning any time soon.
08:19.10jason_ukfsnAlas, networking was the one thing that failed - there was no internet access :(
08:19.24jason_ukfsnLots of wireless networks popping up and then vanishing though
08:19.38Leedsheh
08:19.50jason_ukfsnLance from uklinux tried to bridge a BT openwoe hotspot from downstairs but didn't seem to manage it.
08:20.20jason_ukfsnThe official internet suppliers for olympia want over £350 per day to supply a 128K connection
08:20.45jason_ukfsnOthers pointed out last night it would be cheaper to buy a Vodafone 3G card although that would attract 12 month contract issues.
08:21.02jason_ukfsnI might have done so if it had been possible to buy it on a short contract
08:21.49jason_ukfsnhow's life in HK?
08:21.58Leedsah, sweet unmetered fully-routed GRPS for 9 quid a month with no minimum...
08:22.37Leedsit's alright... been off work for new year stuff for a couple of days... got another religious day off next week, plus a public holiday...
08:22.56Leedsmate from Sun is in town today - going to meet up with him this evening
08:23.29jason_ukfsnLeeds: how much is the roaming rate for UK use?
08:23.32Leedshow's London?
08:23.50jason_ukfsnIt might be worth getting one of those if it's not too expensive just to use it here! ;)
08:24.26jason_ukfsnI was in London yesterday and ended up traveling home during rush hour. Oh how I did not enjoy that. I had forgotten how bad it can be
08:24.41Leedsuk roaming is 0.08hkd per kb on orange
08:24.54Leedsibot change 0.08 hkd to gbp
08:25.27Leedsin Sri Lanka, I was paying 0.04lkr per kb on a payg sim
08:25.32Leedsibot change 0.04 lkr to gbp
08:25.38jason_ukfsnso that's about £6 per MB
08:25.48Leedsyeah
08:26.17jason_ukfsnIt's a shame you weren't here yesterday then ;)
08:26.39jason_ukfsnI'm not going to the expo today so I am back to a decent connectio.
08:26.57Leedsit's good enough that with a decent email app - which I've got - I don't bother firing up a PC email app when I'm not at work
08:27.23mozratPublic Service Annoucement: The Bagel stand in Paddington station has had a power cut so anyone heading that way for toasted bagels should make alternative arrangments
08:27.41mozratand secondly, cold bagels don't taste very god
08:27.42LeedsI'm sorry... the cost in Sri Lanka was 1/2 that
08:27.42mozratgood
08:27.53Leedsmozrat: *fresh* cold bagels are fine
08:28.59jason_ukfsndoes anyone eat bagels that aren't fresh?
08:29.16jason_ukfsnMy experience is that bagel bakeries are open pretty much all the time
08:29.25Leedsyou can toast them for a couple of days, but eating them cold after about 12-24 hours sucks
08:29.30Leedsjason_ukfsn: not the kosher ones :-)
08:29.39jason_ukfsnLOL
08:31.54Leedsthey are extremely atkins unfriendly... very low in fat, very high in carbs
08:33.04jason_ukfsnI don't mind. The weight is falling off me and I can eat lots of meat. Life is good ;)
08:33.46mozratgah - tfl.gov.uk crashes firefox on the bus route planner
08:33.48morsing_Mmm... meat
08:40.33highburyjason_ukfsn: so you got wireless working then?
08:41.09highburytarragon got SUSE to agree and give us a talk
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08:42.16\simonhi alllllll
08:42.25mozrat\simon!
08:43.36Leedsafternoon \simon
08:44.15\simonLeeds: where are you?
08:44.32jason_ukfsnhighbury: no, I'm not at the expo today
08:45.34Leeds\simon: Tsuen Wan
08:47.26\simoncool
08:47.39Leedsairdon
08:47.42Leedsaircon!
08:51.19Leedsah, thank you kind sir
08:51.29Leedsmozrat: you interested in alpha machines?
08:51.46mozratLeeds, haven't been in the past really
08:51.48mozratwhy do you ask?
08:52.41mozratUmmmm, Leeds. I assumed http://friendsdisenchanted.blogspot.com/2005/10/not-for-children-ladies-and-gentlemen.html had something to do with Alpha machines
08:52.50mozratcan you even run Linux on that device? :)
08:53.20Leedsno, as far as I know it has nothing to do with alpha machines :-)
08:53.38LeedsI'm asking because I know someone who is trying to find a good home for some before they get destroyed
08:53.46mozratin London?
08:54.03Leedsnope, in Cambridge, MA - but as far as I know he can ship them
08:54.33mozratHmm, maybe I am interested if they are good enough to be a low end server?
08:54.40Leedsno idea on specs
08:55.11Leedshe asked me if I wanted any, since we've chatted about RISC boxen before, but I really don't have any space here
08:55.17mozratanyway - shall be IRCing from the expo
08:55.23Leedscool
08:55.23mozratI'm taking my own bandwidth wth me
08:55.58jason_ukfsnmozrat: be warned there was no 'net access yesterday and might not be today
08:56.14mozratjason_ukfsn: GPRS on my blackberry :)
08:56.19jason_ukfsnAh.
08:56.25jason_ukfsnis that sharable?
08:56.38Leeds"so I am cleaning up the equipment room. I might have a few extra alpha systems. what do you have space for? all I need is an address, for the shippers. anything with a shipping label gets shipped. anything without a label gets crushed and burned."
08:56.42mozratjason_ukfsn: no, the Blackberry doesn't have any interfaces or bluetooth
08:56.46mozratI think the newer ones do
08:56.54Leedsmozrat: bah - get a real smartphone
08:57.25mozratLeeds: I don't pay any charges on this phone (apart from people ringing me at odd times) so I'm happy with the arrangement
08:58.22LeedsI used loads of gprs, quite a few sms, a little roaming grps/sms/voice last month, and I just got a bill for $202
08:59.00Leedsibot change 202 hkd to gbp
08:59.37mozratprobably be a lot more in the UK though
08:59.58mozratanyway bbiab
09:12.01wethrinLeeds: pong
09:12.43jason_ukfsnhow can you tell at this distance wethrin ?
09:12.59wethrinIt's the place he lives :-)
09:13.29Leedswethrin: ping
09:13.49Leedswethrin: did you see my quote above?
09:14.04wethrinYes
09:14.08wethrinWhich Alpha systems?
09:14.29Leedsunspecified
09:14.49wethrinGo for it
09:33.48ufomozrat: ?
09:36.15morsing_wethrin! You're back!
09:39.18wethrinI am
09:40.16morsing_How was your holiday?
09:42.10wethrinI didn't have a holiday
09:42.13wethrinI was just busy :)
09:42.25wethrinAnd doing stalls for Freshers' Fair at the student union
09:42.35\simonhttp://xenion.antifork.org/files/hopfake-2.0.BETA1.tgz
09:42.56Leeds\simon: and this is? :-)
09:43.40\simon"hopfake lets you to log and fake *any* type of traceroute"
09:54.33morsing_-su: ./nmon2rrdv10: cannot execute binary file
09:54.35morsing_?!
09:54.45Leedsoops
09:55.26morsing_Ahhh...
09:55.27morsing_./nmon2rrdv10: executable (RISC System/6000 V3.1) or obj module not stripped
09:55.30morsing_Annoying!
09:55.39morsing_Doesn't it exist for x86?
10:03.39morsing_open("/webdomains/morsing.cc/nmon//rrd_top", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = 4
10:03.39morsing_close(4)                                = 0
10:03.39morsing_write(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)
10:03.39morsing_) = 28
10:03.39morsing_--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
10:03.41morsing_+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
10:03.49morsing_How do I found out what's wrong?
10:08.47\simonmozrat: go to the FUDCon!
10:09.06morsing_I HATE ANNOYING NORWEGIAN PEOPLE - Aaaarrggghhhhh
10:10.03Leedshometime!
10:10.33morsing_How can this C code write to handle 1 without opening it?
10:11.53morsing_ibot wake George
10:11.54ibotGeorge: GOOD MORNING!!!
10:12.11morsing_wethrin: Are you busy?
10:12.35\simonmorsing_: isnt 1 the stdout?
10:13.04morsing_But doesn't it have to open it first? Plus it doesn't output to my screen so it must be redirected
10:13.47\simonno you dont have to open stdout... do you open the stdout before a printf?
10:14.25morsing_But since it actually goes into a file...?!
10:14.51\simonthat's a shell businnes
10:15.05\simoncommand > debug.txt
10:15.38\simonit's the shell that connect the "command" stdout to a file handle (opened by the shell)
10:17.43\simonok brb 5 mins
10:30.19wethrinmorsing_: Yes, generally :-)
10:40.18\simondo you know if there is any package for redhat/fedora that monitor the disk usage and that notifies you when your disk space is running low? I can do it with a cron script but i'm searching something fancy:)
10:43.04wethrinNagios?
10:44.52\simonyah that looks fancy thanks :)
10:55.40morsing_wethrin: So you haven't got time to look at my nmon problem then?
10:55.45morsing_Segmentation fault
10:56.11wethrinmorsing_: Sadly not ATM. I don't really know anything about it anyway
10:58.25morsing_Where's George when you need him!
10:58.28\simonmorsing_: anyway the output is to your screen
10:58.40\simondo you see it?
10:59.09\simonthis is the strace part:
10:59.11\simonwrite(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28) = 28
10:59.18wethrinmorsing_: No-one needs George!
10:59.24\simonand in the middle there is the output to your screen:
10:59.32\simonFound 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)
10:59.36\simonmixed:
10:59.40\simonwrite(1, "Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)\n", 28Found 1 DISKBUSY Section(s)
10:59.42\simon) = 28
10:59.48morsing_What's 28?
11:00.11\simonman 2 write
11:00.24\simonit's the number of the byte written
11:00.30morsing_WARNING: missing "AAA,cpus" line assuming 1
11:00.30morsing_cpus=1 online out of a maximum of -1209020816
11:00.33morsing_Weird
11:00.47\simonbytes*
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11:10.55mozratsimon!!! what day is Linux day in Italy
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11:15.09\simonmozrat: 26th november
11:31.08\simonlasagne *drool*
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11:55.15morsing_beer
12:11.48jason_ukfsnmozrat: are you still about?
12:27.58morsing_Mmm... Bulk degausser
12:29.18Copeis there a general colour code for soundcards? The symbols are meaningless, but I have red, green and pink sockets
12:37.14mozratis new2unix actually a real person?
12:38.04jason_ukfsnyes mozrat he is. He was on the OpenBSD stand yesterday at the expo
12:38.20mozrat..
12:38.29jason_ukfsnmozrat: can you check with whoever is on the gllug stand to see if anyone from Ubuntu has confirmed if we're getting a talk on the 14th?
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12:38.55jason_ukfsnmozrat: can you check with whoever is on the gllug stand to see if anyone from Ubuntu has confirmed if we're getting a talk on the 14th?
12:39.26mozratjason_ukfsn, i spoke to JohnSouthern and he said it was on!
12:39.48mozratbut im now on the platform at Olympia
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13:17.31mozratufo, on my blackberry on a train at the moment
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13:22.48morsing_ebbeyes!
13:22.53morsing_ibot!
13:23.06morsing_~seen eye69
13:23.10iboteye69 is currently on #debian #gllug
13:23.24morsing_ibot wake eye69
13:23.26iboteye69: GOOD MORNING!!!
13:24.51jason_ukfsnCan anyone remember the name of the Ubuntu person coming and the time we're holding the meeting?
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13:25.43Copeok i admit it
13:25.51CopeI'm impressed with suse 9.3 professional
13:25.56formihiya
13:26.00Copeit really is very very good
13:26.02Copeyo formi
13:26.51formias usual I am chasing a bit of help
13:27.07formiany mysql gurus in here?
13:27.08Copebut my head's not very clear
13:27.26Copeformi: certainly not me, but ask anyway
13:28.11formii am wondering if you can have a table with fields that are actually references to another field on another table
13:28.11Copei usually find all I need to know here: hashmysql.org
13:33.36forminot what I am lookingfor
13:33.45Copefair enough
13:50.35mozratufo ping
13:50.47mozratjason_ukfsn: Jeff Waugh
13:50.50mozratdon't know timings
13:53.46\simonmozrat: how was the expo?
13:53.53mozrat\simon, very good :)
13:54.07mozratwe were talking about Italy's Linux day
13:54.10mozratwhen is it again?
13:54.44\simon26th november
13:55.04\simonyou can come visit :)
13:55.49\simonhey mozrat does exists a blackbarry with gsm and wifi? i was searching the site but i couldnt find one
13:56.33mozrat\simon, A blackberry is a wireless device that uses GPRS and optionally GSM if GPRS isn't available
13:56.45mozratThere is a WLAN version now but it is rubbish
13:57.15mozratit is WLAN only instead of having a roaming handset that you can roam between WLAN and GPRS
13:57.21mozratI'm back at my desk now btw :)
13:57.36\simonyah sorry i said gsm to mean that it's a phone... gprs is too much expensive here
13:58.00\simonok let me clear out... :)
13:58.04mozratso at the moment there is not a Blackberry with both WLAN and GSM no
13:58.25mozratbut without GPRS a blackberry is pretty much useless anywya
13:58.26\simoni want a gsm triband phone with wifi
13:58.36mozratright - you don;t want a blackberry then :)
13:58.55\simoni see... i saw a ipaq like that some time ago
13:59.03mozratthose triband phones do exist (and I want one) but I don't know a lot about them
13:59.11mozratI know you can convert a Zaurus to triband
13:59.22\simonipaq 6340 or something
14:00.37\simonhttp://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-4873205.html
14:01.39\simonWireless Technologies description
14:01.40\simonIntegrated quad band GSM/GPRS, WLAN 802.11b, Bluetooth® 1.1, IrDA
14:01.59highburyCope: SUSE 10.0 will be out later today!
14:02.34highburyjason_ukfsn: are you ok updating the website? otherwise I can do it this evening
14:03.08highburythe details were on the gllugadmin mailing list
14:08.13ufomozrat: pong
14:08.26mozratufo hi!
14:08.33ufohowg :)
14:08.35mozratI'm back on a proper computer now
14:08.52ufocan you read priv windows?
14:09.02mozratif you register :)
14:09.12ufonot OS :P
14:09.19ufomsg
14:09.21mozratFreenode requires registered nicks to pm now
14:09.56ufopfff
14:10.28wethrinYou can receive messages from unregistered nicks
14:10.39wethrinbut only if you ask nickserv niceely
14:10.39mozratwethrin: you sure?
14:10.43mozratah
14:10.47mozrathow do you do that then
14:10.54wethrin/msg nickserv help
14:13.06ufono such option
14:13.20mozratufo - try to pm me again pls
14:13.31ufotrying
14:13.51mozratthere you go :)
14:13.55mozratcheers wethrin
14:14.16wethrinufo: Register your nick :-P
14:14.30ufoit's already registered
14:14.42wethrinHm
14:15.07ufobut not by me
14:15.59mozratlol
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14:46.03highburylooks like suse 10 is now out, all the ftp sites have frozen
14:48.39Copeindee
14:49.14Copewhich, when I am struggling to get audacity installed on 9.3 is a but of a huge PITA
14:50.58Copeok countdown before I scrap this and put debian on starts now
14:51.07Copeit is really nice, lovely design, etc
14:51.21Copebut its taken me 2 hours to do something that would take 5 mins in debian
14:51.52Copeand I still haven't got anywhere close to resloving the gazillion dependencies, regardless of how many different repositories I throw at yast
14:52.35mozratthe GLLUG stand at the expo had some interest
14:52.37jason_ukfsnhighbury: I have done a basic update to the website and will finish it off properly later. I just need confirmation of the time for the meeting
14:53.41Coperight
14:53.43Copeenough is enough
14:53.45Copeinit 6
14:59.15morsing_Moo...
15:00.52wethrininnit
15:01.17morsing_oracle is installed on D:\
15:01.22wethrinheh
15:01.36morsing_Weird what some people do!
15:02.02wethrinYes
15:14.52eye69G'd afternoon
15:14.58mozratah-ha!!!
15:15.07mozrathello eye69
15:16.23morsing_eye69!
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15:16.31morsing_Where have you been?
15:16.47mozratLeeds, I made a payment to the bank of Cohen this afternoon
15:17.28Leedsmorsing_: asking me?
15:17.31Leedsmozrat: thanks for that
15:17.44mozratLeeds, yw and thanks to you
15:17.45eye69morsing_: Holiday in my home town
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15:41.31jason_ukfsnre all
15:41.34mozrathey
15:42.30Leedsevening jason_ukfsn
15:42.56jason_ukfsnindeed it is Leeds - bloody dull and dreary one here too
15:45.29mozratLeeds, nice
15:45.37mozratJAV, do you run Linux on the iPaq?
15:45.50mozratSeeing how \simon mentioned they are triband I'm tempted by one
15:46.01mozratbut I don't want to run WindowsCE
15:46.08Leedsmozrat: you can't run Linux on any ipaq phones afaik
15:46.21Leedsand/or you can't use the phone on an ipaq running linux
15:46.37mozratLeeds, I think the second one
15:46.46mozratshame
15:47.00JAVnot yet, it's on 95% of its first battery charge :D (arrived this morning)
15:47.02mozratthe battery life on a zaurus is too pitiful to even think of using it as a phone
15:47.10mozratJAV, nice!!!
15:47.31JAVtwo hx4700 (not phone)
15:48.05LeedsJAV: remember I mentioned that my boss was thinking about barcode scanner things?  Today he mentioned maybe using a palm with them :-)
15:49.30JAVhttp://www.socketcom.com/product/IS5300-464.asp  --> maybe this reader would be a good idea :D
15:50.19mozrathttp://www.beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/31-LinuxWorld-Conference-and-Expo.html << /me blogs about todays expo
15:51.37Leedsmozrat: that doesn't look like a planet-bot! :-)
15:51.49mozratLeeds: It's a manual one :)
15:52.07mozratLeeds: I've downloaded 3 separate Python IRC bots to pick apart on my flight today
15:52.17mozratand I've installed ircd on my laptop
15:54.22Leedsheh... I rsynced my software in Hong Kong to my laptop in Sri Lanka so I could work on it... and I've been known to work on the bus into work
15:55.03mozratLeeds: this is why I want a 12" laptop (IBM X40 please) so I can do more stuff on the move
15:55.25mozratthe 14" isn't that much bigger but it's enough to not bother getting out on the tube etc
15:55.58Leedsyeah... I have about 45 minutes on the bus when I get it (when I can't get a lift with the cousins) and I can almost always get a double seat
15:56.12mozratprime hacking time
15:57.14Leedsindeed... but also prime sleeping and/or podcast-listening time
15:59.04jason_ukfsnI find public transport it great prime reading time
15:59.22Leedsibot seen france
15:59.28ibotfrance is currently on #gpe #familiar #oe #opie #handhelds.org
15:59.47Leedsibot you fool... how long has france been idle?
16:00.27jason_ukfsnibot abuse Leeds
16:00.28ibotACTION smacks Leeds across the face. "Take that, sucker!"
16:00.47Leedsibot apologise!
16:01.05Leedsibot apologize
16:01.07ibotACTION apologizes to leeds
16:01.32Leedsibot apologize to jason_ukfsn
16:02.05wethrinLeeds: He's being and idle git
16:02.17Leedswethrin: did you ping him?
16:02.24wethrinwell, no.
16:02.49LeedsI just did... but given that he's normally online when I get into work in the morning... he tends to be later rather than earlier
16:03.01wethrinahh
16:03.53Leedsremember he's in EST
16:03.57Leedsor EDT
16:04.28wethrinYes, it'd be midday there
16:05.50Leedsmidnight here... I should sleep
16:06.11wethrinYes, but you won't just yet :)
16:09.28Leedstrue
16:15.57jason_ukfsndoes anyone know what time we're having the ubuntu talk?
16:37.47Leedsmozrat: .01?
16:37.56mozrat127.0.0.1?
16:37.58mozratyes
16:38.06mozratoh, the bank?
16:38.47Leedsyes
16:38.51mozratheh
16:39.19Leedsbeen credited, anyway :-)
16:39.26mozratgood
16:39.49mozratI did it in cash over the counter so it should have been instant
16:40.03Leedsjust got to wait and see how long it takes to arrive... and if the bastards catch it
16:40.12mozratyeah
16:40.14Leedsyou did 0.01 over the counter? :-)
16:40.25mozrat46.01
16:40.49Leedsyeah... why the 0.01?
16:41.03mozratwell. i was feeling typically silly
16:41.29Leedsfair enough... I guess I owe you a drop or two of beer then
16:45.03mozratLeeds, other way around really
16:45.13mozratnext time you are in London
16:45.43Leedsor next time you're in HK :-)
16:47.14mozratbeing in HK would be a "good thing"
16:48.22Leedsindeed
16:49.01Leedsmanaged to find a dedicated mobile phone shopping center this evening, to go alongside the dedicated gaming and computing ones
16:49.20mozrata whole shopping center?
16:49.22mozratthats mad
16:50.49Leedscouple of floors, lots of tiny little shops stacked to the roof with phones
16:51.09Leedsmyabe 30-50 shops
16:52.01mozratcrazy hong kongese people
16:52.02Leedsactually, I only saw 2 floors - think there was another one
16:52.47mozratexcellent - I have a Thinkpad inflight charger
16:52.54mozratfantastic!!!!
16:56.25CopeExcuse me, can I ask a meta-question please? ;-)
16:56.30Leedsgood luck... I've had trouble getting virgin power working before
16:56.42LeedsCope: don't ask to ask :-)
16:56.50CopeLeeds: it was a joke.
16:57.05Leedsah, so it was
16:57.21Leedsoops
16:57.50CopeSeriously though, I'm trying to record from vinyl to wav using audacity, which is working fine, but I can't hear/monitor what is being recorded, and I don't have a tape-loop facility
16:58.02CopeAny idea how to hear what I am recording as I record it?
16:58.12Copeie to hear what is going into /dev/dsp
17:01.16mozratsee you guys tomorrow
17:02.30CopeAudacity documentation calls this "playthrough", which means having the computer play the track that you are currently recording, as you are recording it. You may be able to enable this using your operating system's Mixer or Sound control panel, but Audacity does not have an option to turn on Playthrough directly.
17:14.40JAVCope: try alsamixer
17:15.30JAVpressing TAB you change between Playback/Capture/All
17:16.21CopeJAV: yeah - currently replacing oss with alsa
17:16.33JAVthen with SPACE you can select the capture device
17:16.35JAVok :D
17:16.44JAVlet me see
17:17.22JAVmaybe aumix have the same funcionality
17:17.28JAVyes, I recall
17:22.28Copedevelopments
17:22.45Copei know have alsa instead of oss, and when I 'record' I can hear
17:22.58Copebut audacity isn't seeing any input on /dev/dsp
17:33.06JAVdid you set line as the capture device?
17:35.26JAV# cat /dev/sndstat
17:35.56JAVanyway I don't know if /dev/dsp is the right place for an alsa device
17:36.12JAVthey are placed in /dev/snd/
17:50.15Coperight
17:51.13CopeJAV: What am I looking for in sndstat?
17:51.24Copeas for capture devices
17:51.33Copei think i selected both line and mic
17:56.30Georgemorsing: pong
17:57.48JAVCope: well, once you select line... change it for "capture" or "mix" O:)
17:58.54Copei don't see 'mix'
18:00.17Copeat the moment, line is set for capture
18:00.27Copestill no evidence of it being captured
18:00.43Copeif I change it to mic, there's no difference
18:00.48z00daxhey everyone
18:01.52Copehi
18:03.26JAVwhat devices do audacity let you select?
18:03.48JAV(audacity preferences)
18:04.11Copejust /dev/dsp
18:04.14Copewhich I think is fine
18:05.09JAVthat's oss, but it should work
18:05.24JAVI think it's a mixer thing
18:05.35Copewell; there's no signal - yes; could well be
18:05.37Georgehey Cope
18:05.41Copehiya George
18:06.07GeorgeCope: all the merchandise for LWCE arrived today *sigh*
18:06.14GeorgeI now have 4 stuffed kde dragons and 5 kde tshirts
18:06.16George:(
18:07.50Copeheh
18:08.26CopeJAV: right, at present  in alsamixer, i can change the volume (playthrough volume) by altering the 'line' level
18:08.42Copebut that doesn't alter the signal i see recorded in audacity
18:09.36Copeand likewise, if I move the 'input' into the mic socket, altering mic does the same
18:11.00Copeah
18:11.06JAVI recall something like this with a video capturer
18:11.07Copei think we're getting somewhere
18:11.17JAVthe route is the problem
18:11.35JAVsetting the right capture device
18:11.48Copeok we have sound level
18:11.51JAVso you capture ...
18:11.52JAVok
18:11.53JAV:D
18:12.17Copegood - and I can alter the capture level
18:12.26Copeby changing the master 'capture'
18:16.46Copecool all working
18:16.49Copethanks a lot JAV
18:22.11JAVyour welcome
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18:54.52CopeGeorge: did I give you a bunch of isa soundcards?
18:54.57Georgeno
18:55.00GeorgeI don't have ISA.
18:55.00Copehrm
18:55.05CopeI can't find them
18:55.27Copethe onboard line-in is plagued by interference from fans, and crackles
18:55.30Georgelol
18:55.40Georgesound cards are a quid at the flea market..
18:55.46Copeyeah
18:56.03Copenot that handy at 8pm in deepest darkest hampshire, on a thursday night.
18:56.16George:P
19:12.15JAVCope: turn off fans!
19:12.16JAV:D
19:15.45CopeJAV: umm - it will get too hot!
19:18.43CopeIs this guy for real:
19:18.47CopeGood hello,
19:18.47CopeI am havening many Sun servers.  I am new to Solaris and too lazy to
19:18.47Coperesearch the problem myself so I beg of you to send me informations so I
19:18.47Copedon't have to do my job.  I am pleased to contact you and many thanks of
19:18.47Copeyou.
19:18.50CopeWhats this: "try google.com first"?
19:19.49CopeI think this must be satire.
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20:03.29Georgemoo
20:32.18new2unixhello George.
20:32.22Georgehi
20:32.27Georgenew2unix: z00dax was looking for you
20:32.29Georgeat LWCE
20:32.56new2unixreally? i was there. yesterday only.
20:33.06new2unixdid you go?
20:33.26z00daxbetween the two of us, we could not work out a) your name or b) which booth you said you were going to be at
20:34.32new2unixi'm sure i mentioned OpenBSD during our conversations.
20:35.37new2unixYou probably saw me but didnt realise. infact i probably tried flogging you both an OpenBSD tshirt without even knowing. lol
20:41.49z00daxah OpenBSD....
20:41.59z00daxI only went looking for people today
20:42.04z00daxso i guess you were not around then
20:44.36new2unixSo you missed the Lonix meeting. Oh well.
20:45.20Georgemozrat: liking the blog.
20:49.12BlissexGeorge: were you there at the KDE stand?
20:49.20GeorgeBlissex: yes.
20:49.23GeorgeBlissex: I was organiser
20:49.39Blissexnew2unix: I think I bought an OpenSSH t-shirt from you...
20:50.07BlissexGeorge: were you the white face teenager with the bad haircut? :-)
20:50.15GeorgeBlissex: I have a haircut?
20:50.40BlissexGeorge: because I was trying to complaint about something and getting fobbed off to the poor gnomes nearby...
20:50.51Georgeby me?
20:51.03BlissexGeorge: by everybody at the KDE stand :-).
20:51.09Georgehah.
20:52.03Georgehttp://www.gwright.org.uk/me.png
20:55.53BlissexGeorge: that was you, you were a bit less pixelated in person. Antialiasing? :-)
20:56.07Georgeok.
20:56.10Georgeand who are you?
20:56.44BlissexGeorge: the guy with a blue jacket who wanted to complain :-)
20:56.52Georgepicture?
20:58.05BlissexGeorge: Argh, I don't have a picture of myself easily accessible. But I should do a talk soon at some GLLUG meeting, if one ever happens again.
20:58.21Georgeuseless bum.
20:58.33Blissexwait a sec, Ill try with a webcam I should have one around.
21:00.33BlissexGeorge: but I got a delirious geeky website here http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/ and this is my complaint: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111564
21:01.45Blissexand this is my list of other minor KDE complaints and suggestions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxKDE.html
21:02.35Georgeyou know we hate you? :)
21:03.33BlissexGeorge: any particular reason(s)? :-)
21:03.39Georgenah
21:03.40George"The KDE developers have also managed by and large to restrain themselves from making a whole mess like GNOME, and to maintain some degree of consistency and discipline in the implementation."
21:03.44Georgeheh.
21:04.56BlissexGeorge: I am not natively english, and that was my attempt at 1) damn with faint praise 2) damn by association :-)
21:06.02Blissexnew2unix: I think that someone needs a girlfriend or a wife more than an investment broker/accountant.  And if he has one, she needs to be canonized :-)
21:07.29new2unixBlissex: dont be mean. :)
21:08.50Blissexheheheh.
21:18.55BlissexGeorge: OK, this is pretty terrible, but my wcam is awful and the driver does bad things with it: http://WWWW.sabi.co.UK/x/I/wcam.jpg
21:19.30GeorgeThe requested URL /x/I/wcam.jpg was not found on this server.
21:28.30Blissexforgot to upload it and wrong speling too. http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/x/I/wcam.jpg
21:28.44Blissexforgot to upload it and wrong speling too. http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/I/wcam.jpg
21:28.47Blissexbah!
21:29.17Georgedon't recognise you :P
21:30.37BlissexGeorge: can't blame you -- it is terrible photo, I look much more jovial in person.
21:30.46George:P
21:32.00BlissexGeorge: But I came around a couple of times -- and if you come to the next OxLUG or GLLUG meeting you may enjoy a wonderful presentation by myself on one of several of my pet peeves. Current favourites: font configuration and file systems.
21:32.12Georgehah
21:33.59BlissexGeorge: basically a rehash of my rants on http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/ and descendants...
21:35.30Georgeheh
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23:02.12new2unixnite all
23:45.58Leedsmornin' all
23:46.55wethrinHELLO
23:48.57Leedswethrin: no, no particular sign of france
23:49.44wethrinDid he get invaded again?
23:51.10JAVmorning
23:52.12Leedsdon't think so...
23:52.58Leedsmeanwhile, blogs are apparently suddenly worth millions
23:53.03wethrinOh?
23:53.58Leedstwo blog companies got bought yesterday - one by AOL, t'other by verisign
23:54.21wethrinwhich ones?
23:54.30wethrinAll your comments belong to AOL?
23:55.50Leedsweblogs inc by aol, weblogs.com by verisign, apparently
23:55.58wethrinRight

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