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03:23.32Leedswethrin: ping
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04:38.08new2unixmoin y'all
04:39.58Leedshi
07:13.46ufomorning :)
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08:01.15mozratmorning - if I grab number of bytes out of a  log file with awk , how can I get a sum total?
08:01.35mozrati.e. - lots of numbers written to stdout totalled up
08:15.54morsingmozrat!
08:30.14Copegoood morning
08:31.01morsingCope: Morning. How are you?
08:32.27Copehi morsing, I'm great thanks :)
08:32.34Copewhat are you up to?
08:34.48morsingBack to work. We had an IT activity day yesterday :-)
08:35.16murbmorsing: whatever that is?
08:35.45murbmy activity today is to attempt to kill my collegues in IT whilst pretending it is only a game and i don't really mean to kill them.
08:37.48morsinghttp://www.demonwheelers.co.uk/
08:38.31stephenmozrat: wc?
08:45.35Copestephen: If no option is specified the default is -lwc; If no file operands  are specified, the standard input will be used.
08:49.37morsingmurb: Did that look acceptable to you?
08:51.40murbmorsing: was their a body count?
08:51.59morsingOne broken collar bone - that's it
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09:03.56morsingkbsingh!
09:04.17kbsinghmorsing!
09:26.15wethrinlepong
09:26.19wethrinGah.
09:26.23wethrinWhere's Leeds?
09:28.39murbnorth of watford.
09:30.04wethrinboom boom
09:41.49Copeis there a vi command to delete the line above? I'm just doing it a LOT at the moment, and it can't be scripted, as it requires intelligent consideration of the content of the line.
09:44.37wethrinkdd
09:45.25wethrininj interactive mode
09:53.36wethrinOr whatever the key is to move up a line
09:54.13Copepenis
09:54.19Copeof course I can do that
09:55.05wethrinWell, you asked for a command to deleting the preceeding line :)
09:55.22Copei think you know what I meant
09:56.03wethrinI don't know, then, sorry
09:56.09Copeok
10:36.00gregjhttp://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/46515/ShowPost.aspx
10:36.09gregjwelcome to the world of windows atms
10:53.47Copemorsing: well, you know how you can, for example, start a new line above the current line with one keypress 'O' ?
10:54.17Copemorsing: I was wondering if there was a similar trick to delete the line above - 1 keypress instead of 3
10:58.47Copesee, suppose I want to do this many times, because kdd is 2 commands, I can't then use '.' to repeat the command - I'll delete the current line instead. Now in a big file (mine has 40,000 lines) that's quite a lot of extra keystrokes to do kdd several hundred times instead of .
11:00.33Copegregj: that's brilliant
11:02.41morsingDid that help?
11:03.20morsing;-)
11:03.24morsingLunch time!
11:04.25wethrinCope: Can you record it as a macro, and just replay the macro?
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11:33.31\simonhi all
11:34.26wethrinwhat-ho, old chap
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11:57.31IAmAIHello.
12:47.38Copewethrin: :map z kdd
12:48.23Copeor even echo "map z kdd" >> ~/.vimrc
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13:07.17IAmAIHi, Cope.
13:16.00JAVgood afternoon
13:17.10IAmAIHello.
13:17.33IAmAIHow are you?
13:20.40JAVfine thanks, and you? :)
13:22.28wethrinCope: :-)
13:22.34wethrinLeeds: Hello. You pung earlier?
13:23.39wethrinAt 0423, even
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13:25.18IAmAI_Now why did that happen?
13:25.20IAmAI_I'm good thanks.
13:25.34IAmAI_Where you online last night?
13:25.41IAmAI_On this channel?
13:27.12Leedsooh, it does feel good to adblock crap
13:27.19Leedswethrin: yes... did you not get my mail?
13:27.50wethrinUmm....
13:28.02wethrinAha. Found it.
13:28.16wethrinYes. Thanks :)
13:28.26Leedsso, deal with it :-)
13:29.32wethrinFine :-P
13:30.21Leedsgood
13:30.38wethrinSo I should probably send him an email too
13:32.33Leedsyes... he did say "I will take care of it on Monday when I get back" to me earlier today, so it's not immensely urgent
13:33.28wethrinAh, okay
13:33.44wethrinI'd quite like some manageable-size Alpha :)
13:44.17rhoweibot lart the Greek Embassy
13:44.46rhoweTo get a .gr visa (which I don't need, but Xiaoping does), you *HAVE* to call their ÂŁ1/min telephone line
13:45.02rhoweThat then dishes out a time and date when you can go and apply
13:45.14rhoweIn this case, the earliest it offered was 20th October
13:45.36rhoweThat was a 10 minute call
13:45.57murbrhowe: .US does that as well.
13:46.02rhowemurb: Yeah, so I noticed
13:46.10rhoweConsular services are one hell of a scam
13:46.27wethrinYes, but you don't need a visa for the US if you have a machine-readable UK passport
13:46.45Leedsa UK passport is a really useful thing to have, in general, worldwide
13:46.48rhowewethrin: Which Xiaoping doesn't have (although she'd be lucky to get a .us visa even as a tourist, I expect)
13:46.50murbwethrin: there are many reasons why you might.
13:47.20wethrinmurb: True, but not for general tourrrrrrism
13:47.28murbwethrin: you can be 100% british and just because you were born in Iran you need one.
13:47.46wethrinYes, because you must be evil then
13:48.16murbwethrin: even if Iran was an ally of the US when you were born and when the previous regime was overthrown you came to the UK as a refugee?
14:06.43rhoweProper way would be to use replication, but.. hm.. nah
14:06.47wethrinmurb: Clearly. :)
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14:11.03ufois there someone who tryed something like @ IN MX host.dyndns.org ?
14:11.41rhoweufo: I'd stick a damn short TTL on that and hope nobody's using Exchange 5.5 to email you
14:12.05rhoweufo: Oh, and if host.dyndns.org is a CNAME, pointing an MX at a CNAME isn't all that advised
14:12.33mozrathello
14:12.38ufodydns has short TTL, isn't it?
14:12.41ufodyndns
14:12.49ufoand why no exachange?
14:12.51murbbest bet is to run your own dynamic dns.
14:13.31ufoi want to redirect mails coming into somedomain.com into box with dynamic IP
14:13.55ufoI put in somedomain.com NS IN MX host.dyndns.org
14:14.08ufobut I wonder if it will work fine
14:15.11uforhowe: how about using short TTL and backup MX ?
14:17.26rhoweufo: If you can arrange a backup MX, you should be able to arrange something with them
14:17.41rhoweufo: It sounds like you want to do POP, but using SMTP instead
14:18.37murbrhowe: or ETRN / a VPN.
14:18.55murbdoing POP as a maildrop isn't very nice.
14:19.22murbs#VPN#SMTP/TLS#
14:20.09uforhowe: so, no way out to have MX on dynamic IP?
14:20.23murbufo: it is possible, just not advisable.
14:20.30ufobut wait
14:20.39ufowhat for is short TTL
14:20.44murbufo: do you have a remote machine somwhere you control.
14:20.52ufodynamic dns is doing refresh
14:20.53murbufo: means that the record will expire shortly.
14:21.01ufoand MX is set to host.dyndns.org
14:21.16ufoso hostname won't change, just IP
14:21.30murbufo: indeed, but someone with your old IP could bounce your email.
14:21.35murbor even read it etc.
14:22.14murbufo: I have a client that gets their email to a VM running on my server, then gets it delivered over OpenVPN to a internal server at their site.
14:22.23ufoyeah, it someone send an email in this short period of time between refresh
14:22.26ufoif
14:23.01murbufo: the time peroid could be rather longer than you think because of the behaviour of some MTAs
14:23.22ufoI havent tested it, that;s why I'm asking
14:23.27ufoyoure right :(
14:23.53ufoif MTA taking IP in cache it won't work ....
14:24.02ufokeeping
14:24.53ufoI have external machine
14:26.27ufoneed to think about solution ...
14:26.50murbufo: do you not have a machine on a fixed IP that you control?
14:26.58ufoI have
14:27.22ufobut i'm thinking on right setup
14:27.33murbthen list that machine as the only MX, then have a mail route to your home machine, and enforce SMTP/TLS.
14:27.40ufoHow to setup this machine to transfer mail properly
14:28.02murband verifty the server certificate.
14:30.02rhoweDoes this sound contradictory? "Provisional booking or itinerary of your travel arrangements -flight details and hotel accomodation- both original and photocopy. Moreover, transport documentation, for example an air ticket, or a confirmed ferry booking"
14:30.23rhoweImmediately followed by "DO NOT PURCHASE A TICKET UNTIL YOUR VISA IS ISSUED"
14:30.48rhoweSo, they want flight details, "for example an air ticket", but they don't want you to buy one until they've issued the visa
14:30.51murbWhat they mean to say is don't blame us.
14:30.58morsingThe first statement only says "booking"
14:31.00rhoweAnyone know of a way to get an air ticket without purchasing one? :)
14:31.09wethrinbeat someone up
14:31.09rhowemorsing: It does, but then it goes on to say "air ticket"
14:31.10kbsinghI have a debian machine here, after a basic install, rebooting it kills init with cant open console
14:31.25kbsinghanyone got a 'fix' ?
14:31.32murbkbsingh: does /dev/tty0 ... exist
14:31.39kbsinghI cant reroute console away over serial or anything
14:31.56murb?
14:31.57kbsinghmurb, not sure, does sarge use udev /
14:32.04murbkbsingh: it can.
14:32.13murbcheck the raw fs though.
14:32.19kbsinghwhat would the default setup do
14:32.19murbit still needs to have those entries at boot.
14:32.27kbsinghhumm ok, i need to find a boot cd or something somewhere then
14:32.34murbdoesn't sound entirly default to me.
14:33.25kbsinghwould the netinstall cd image give me a rescue console ?
14:33.46kbsinghits been a while since I used deb, 7 years maybe...
14:34.18kbsinghbrb, when I am infront of the machine
14:36.01murbok
14:47.56morsingbeer
14:48.19morsingWhen's the next meet?
14:48.25morsingOr pub meet?
14:48.35rhowemorsing: Friday evening
14:54.35wethrinWho's around on the 28th (Friday) evening?
14:55.15rhowepayday
14:56.13wethrinExcellent. Beer on you, then!
14:57.58morsingrhowe: Pub meet? Where?
14:58.13morsingwethrin: Friday next week? I would be
14:59.48wethrinmorsing: No, Friday week after next, isn't it?
15:00.00morsingAhh... of course
15:00.08morsingI would still come :-)
15:00.27wethrinExcellent. Windmill, then
15:00.33morsingWindmill?
15:00.34wethrinFollowed by (probably) tasty, tasty Thai
15:00.36wethrinMill Street
15:00.49morsingPostcode?
15:00.59wethrinNo idea
15:01.07wethrinStreetmap for 'Mill Street', London Street
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15:18.52kbsingh_I am back
15:18.55mozrathello kbsingh_
15:18.59kbsingh_deb sux, officially.
15:19.09kbsingh_and it aint the nice kinda suckage either
15:19.25kbsingh_ok, murb still here ?
15:20.03kbsingh_hi mozrat know any reason why a stock sarge install, reboot, will go into a init: cant open console ?
15:20.13kbsingh_I've checked /dev/tty* 's are all in place
15:20.34mozratkbsingh_: not off the top of my head no :(
15:20.36kbsingh_also tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
15:21.45kbsingh_mozrat: :) no worries, i'll keep playing around.
15:22.30Georgeblah
15:22.31Georgehey mozrat
15:22.49mozratheyhey
15:23.06Georgesome random GNOME girl is trying to tell me I have depression because I sleep and eat excessively
15:23.09Georgehah!
15:24.22murbI see the psyops attacks agains KDE developers are beginning.
15:24.50mozratthats quite funny
15:28.01George:P
15:28.57GeorgeI've just been told that I'm a girl because I like chocolate.
15:38.49wethrinkbsingh_: Use Slackware!
15:39.00wethrinGeorge: No, it means you're a fat bastard :-P
15:39.04wethrinAnd chocolate is good for you
15:39.24Georgechocolate is good.
15:39.55wethrinyup
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16:15.17morsingMmm... Chocolate
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17:35.26rhoweLet's see if it's still running in the morning :)
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17:44.02IAmAIHello
17:44.47mozrathello
17:45.07IAmAIHow are you?
17:45.21mozratGood thanks
17:45.41\simonciao a tutti, I'm back
17:45.50\simonwhat's up?
17:45.55mozrathey \simon
17:59.20Georgeheh
17:59.26Georgemy UCAS has been submitted
17:59.26Georgewooyay
17:59.26Georgefor me
17:59.34mozratwooyay indeed
17:59.49mozratso - IAmAI whats up?
18:02.38IAmAINot much.
18:04.02\simondoes anyone of you has any experience in converting a vnc session to swf?
18:06.26\simoni'm trying to use rfbproxy + pyvnc2swf but I keep getting "RFB error: Illegal encoding: 0x74656c33" from pyvnc2swf
18:12.26mozrat\simon, there is a tool for this
18:12.39mozratoh - you are already using vnc2swf
18:13.46mozrat\simon, could be a problem with the version of server you are using
18:13.54IAmAIDoes anyone know anything about the pub outing tomorrow?
18:14.07mozratIAmAI - are you on the social list?
18:14.16IAmAIProbably not.
18:14.23IAmAILet me go add myself ;)
18:14.29mozratahh, sign up and check the archives.
18:14.45mozratnice side effect is that you'll know about future pub outings :)
18:16.24rhoweThere's a pub outing tomorrow?
18:17.18IAmAII think its a short notice one Cope arranged on my behalf ;)
18:18.59IAmAISo its probably not official.
18:20.05rhoweAh right
18:20.31rhowecurrently making plans with $gf to go out tomorrow night though
18:26.08IAmAII'm going to make something to eat now. If Cope comes on, could you ask him about tomorrow night, because I don't even know where we're meeting.
18:26.19IAmAIThanks.
18:26.24IAmAISee you later.
18:26.27rhoweCope: Tell IAmAI where you're meeting
18:26.32mozratsee you
18:26.33rhoweThere, message left :)
18:26.38IAmAIThanks.
18:26.48IAmAISee ya
18:26.52IAmAI\away cooking.
18:26.57IAmAIWhoops :P
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18:36.41JAVand now.... soccer
18:38.42ErwinSave the license, get rid of the TV :)
18:41.32ufoGO POLAND GO!!!! :)
18:41.39ufoPolska gola! Polska gola! ;]
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18:45.15pieDoes anyone know if it is possiblt to change the name of a process (as displayed in top/ps etc) after the process has started running?
18:51.46rhowepie: Edit argv[0]
18:52.07rhowepie: I think that's how you do it, anyhow
18:52.08ErwinOn some platforms, call setproctitle
18:53.33ErwinYou can alternatively re-exec the process with your own argv
18:53.40JAVIf you have no tv you don't pay license?
18:54.05ErwinNope. You can also apply not to pay the license if you have a TV but only use it for DVDs.
18:54.15ErwinAlthough they may harass you about it.
18:54.45mozratCould someone please kick ufo
18:54.58mozratwe know we have a shit football team - we don't need reminding
18:55.03mozrat:)
18:55.29JAVin spain you pay even if you don't have electricity :)
18:57.19ErwinWell, you don't pay 130 UKP/year or something like that I suppose
18:58.38JAVthere is no tv tax, but national tv is paid with everybody taxes
18:58.43JAVand is crap
18:58.44ufomozrat: :P
18:59.12pie$0 = "some string" in Ruby, thanks, I didn't think of actually writing that that variable!
18:59.53ufomozrat: do you think that our team is better? LOL
19:01.49mozratufo - they haven't scored - what are you on about?
19:02.06mozratwere you practising?
19:12.01ufomozrat: It was warm up ;P
19:12.29ufomozrat: fans shout
19:12.39mozratah
19:13.50ufomozrat: are you watching?
19:14.09mozratufo, no... s/atch/ork/
19:14.39ufo?
19:14.43ufostill at work?
19:15.35mozratufo, yeah
19:15.43mozratmigrating an office in Cape Town
19:16.24ufoYou were in Johanesburg last time, right? Now another in Cape Town? :O
19:16.37mozratufo, yeah... it is a 2 hour flight
19:16.40mozratwe came down today
19:16.52mozratI would rather have driven - beautiful country
19:16.55ufoany good beer in there?
19:16.59ufo;]
19:17.05mozratufo, good beer in Johannesburg yeah
19:17.17ufolocal?
19:17.38mozratI have some receipts that I will never ever get accepted on expenses :)
19:17.58ufo:)
19:18.20ufoHAve you bought an elephant? ;)
19:18.26mozratheh
19:20.33mozratHow is Warsaw these days?
19:20.42mozratLooking forward to the snow again? :P
19:26.18ufoI'm going to windsurfing this weekend.
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19:27.34ufoARGHH
19:27.37ufoEngland scores :/
19:27.58ufoOwen
19:30.09mozratw00t
19:30.19mozratIN YOUR FACE POLSKI
19:30.24ufoGOOOOOL
19:30.27ufoPOland scores
19:30.29ufo:DD
19:31.04ufo:P
19:31.33ufo1:1 after first half
19:37.23mozrathmmm
19:49.00mozratufo, are you a member of a Warsaw LUG?
19:50.35ufono
19:51.43mozratwhy not?
19:52.22ufoI don't know if there is warsaw lug
19:57.39mozratmust e
19:57.41mozratbe
19:57.44mozratstart one :)
20:19.50IAmAwayCope: You there yet?
20:19.58gregjmozrat: :P
20:20.06gregjmozrat: in yer face ENGLISH
20:20.10gregjdamn
20:20.13gregjlampart SUX
20:20.16ufoengland scores :/
20:20.18gregjor was it rooney
20:20.20ufoanother one :/
20:20.34ufogregj: oglądasz?
20:20.41gregjyep
20:20.50gregjPOLSKA DO PRZODU!
20:20.52gregjPOLSKA GOLA
20:24.02mozratwhats the score??
20:24.16ufo2:1
20:24.28ufoeng 2 : 2 pol
20:24.36ufoeng 2:1 pol
20:26.57mozratc'mon eng-ger-land
20:27.13z00daxthat debian issue was a bad 3ware driver included in sarge
20:29.31mozratahh, right
20:32.26ufofinal score is 2:1 :(
20:33.11mozratyayayayaya
20:33.57ufo:P
20:34.01z00daxwho's playing ?
20:34.13ufoeng won with poland
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20:53.56IAmAICope: You there?
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22:28.52mozrathello anap
22:28.58mozratJAV!
22:29.04anaphi
22:34.15JAVhi mozrat :)
22:34.54JAVhi anap too :D
22:40.13mozrat:D
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23:08.30Georgeworks ucks
23:08.50Georgeand my right elbow appears to be dislocated or something
23:08.52Georgethis just sucks
23:10.02z00daxGeorge, fell off the bed ?
23:22.29Georgeno idea
23:23.43mozratGeorge:
23:23.58mozratwhat have you done to yourself.
23:24.21mozratlooks very very rough out there
23:24.31mozratlots of men just standing around
23:24.39mozratit's like Dawn to Dusk
23:24.58Georgeheh
23:33.04mozratif I survive the walk to the hotel I'll see you tomorrow
23:33.07mozratnn
23:33.28JAVnn mozrat
23:34.55Georgenite
23:34.56GeorgeI'm off
23:34.57ErwinThe *walk*?
23:35.22ErwinI've heard tales of flamethrowers being installed on SA cars. Given that, walking seems risky.
23:40.51Leedsand it's not like the cost of a reputable cab is going to bankrupt you down there
23:59.28Leedsalthough... when I was there, Cape Town was a lot less rough than Jo'burg

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