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| 06:20.09 | Leeds | morning gregj_ |
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| 07:41.53 | Leeds | morning benmf |
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| 07:48.45 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 07:49.41 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 07:49.45 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 07:49.45 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 07:51.25 | morsing | eye69? |
| 07:52.48 | Cope_ | morning |
| 07:52.51 | Cope_ | oooh |
| 07:52.54 | morsing | 'morning Cope |
| 07:53.02 | morsing | Coming for a drink after work? |
| 07:53.39 | Cope_ | maybe for just 30 mins |
| 07:53.45 | Cope_ | its my mummy's burthday |
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| 07:57.56 | Leeds | Cope: really? |
| 07:58.15 | Cope | yes I really have come back |
| 07:58.25 | Leeds | great! |
| 07:58.33 | Cope | yay! |
| 07:58.34 | Leeds | my dad's today... pdr's mum's yesterday |
| 08:00.22 | Cope | excitinh |
| 08:00.33 | Cope | grandma and grandpa and uncle basil are coming too! |
| 08:00.48 | Leeds | my parents are in Spain for the weekend, but I can't call them from my mobile :-( |
| 08:00.53 | Cope | bah |
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| 08:04.15 | Cope | yay |
| 08:04.27 | ProperMadDad | Leeds : you got some time later ? |
| 08:05.48 | Leeds | depends on what you mean by later? |
| 08:05.55 | ProperMadDad | or does anyone know about putting linux on a xbox |
| 08:06.05 | Leeds | yes, me :-) |
| 08:06.13 | morsing | Mmm... xbox |
| 08:06.18 | Leeds | got two of them now... |
| 08:07.03 | Leeds | one in London, one in Hong Kong... |
| 08:07.17 | morsing | Failover cluster? |
| 08:07.18 | ProperMadDad | so Leeds which distro for the xbox ? |
| 08:07.26 | morsing | Can it run Xen? |
| 08:07.46 | Leeds | xebian |
| 08:08.05 | ProperMadDad | is it an easy install Leeds ? |
| 08:08.08 | Leeds | morsing: no particular reason why it couldn't run Xen - it's just a PC, after all - but I don't know if it's been done |
| 08:08.11 | Cope | ProperMadDad: netbsd, of course |
| 08:08.28 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: there are a few varieties of install... some are easier, some harder |
| 08:08.51 | ProperMadDad | well the xbox will just be running Linux |
| 08:08.57 | Leeds | software-only, hardware, modchip? just linux, or both? |
| 08:09.05 | Leeds | okay... is it unmodified hardware? |
| 08:09.07 | ProperMadDad | mod chip X3 |
| 08:09.24 | ProperMadDad | 120Gb HD |
| 08:09.24 | Leeds | if you've got a mod chip in there, it should be pretty easy then |
| 08:09.33 | Leeds | whoa, just got 10GB in mine :-) |
| 08:09.54 | ProperMadDad | well it was just lying around |
| 08:09.54 | Leeds | upped the RAM? |
| 08:09.58 | ProperMadDad | no |
| 08:10.03 | Leeds | ah, okay |
| 08:10.13 | Leeds | well, you want to download the xebian install CD... |
| 08:10.31 | Leeds | there are really only about 3 ways in which it significantly differs from a regular PC: |
| 08:10.55 | Leeds | you need a slightly-patched kernel, because if you try to do hardware detection throughout the PCI space at boot-time, the machine hangs |
| 08:11.09 | Leeds | you need specific drivers for, particularly, the network and video subsystems |
| 08:11.19 | Leeds | and the USB ports on the front are a strange shape :-) |
| 08:11.49 | ProperMadDad | I have the cable for the usb hub to the xbox |
| 08:12.07 | Leeds | oh, and the boot stuff is strange as well, but either cromwell or your modchip will deal with most of that |
| 08:12.35 | Leeds | good! I've got a totally-unused one in London, and one with a usb wifi stick on the end in HK |
| 08:12.56 | Leeds | Cope: no-one ever asked the guy to speak to GLLUG, did they? |
| 08:13.10 | morsing | "the guy"? |
| 08:13.16 | ProperMadDad | I have one unmodded one which I'm trading in when I get the 360 |
| 08:14.05 | Leeds | morsing: one of the core developers, who lived in Hatfield, and who modded mine for me in return for a few bottles of beer - he agreed to speak to GLLUG at some point... |
| 08:14.49 | morsing | What does this do: |
| 08:14.50 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.51 | morsing | ? |
| 08:15.34 | Leeds | returns true if the string s is a substring of the string line[i] |
| 08:15.48 | Cope | Leeds: drop me his details and I'll bug him again |
| 08:15.57 | Leeds | sorry... returns a pointer to the substring within line[i] |
| 08:16.29 | morsing | Leeds: So how does the "if" work? |
| 08:16.39 | Cope | morsing: conditionally :) |
| 08:16.43 | morsing | Thanks |
| 08:16.48 | Leeds | Cope: dmp (dav[e|id] pye) @ irc.oftc.net |
| 08:17.30 | morsing | And what does ** before a variable do? |
| 08:17.34 | Leeds | although there seems to be a Dave there now who is in the Midlands, so it's possible he's changed his nick and moved :-) |
| 08:17.36 | morsing | char **line |
| 08:17.45 | Cope | right, looks like I wont be able to beer today, as I've just been told I'm to work at home so I don't get too interrupted. |
| 08:17.59 | Leeds | Cope: too much IRC? :-) |
| 08:18.06 | Cope | Leeds: hehe no, no phone calls! |
| 08:18.13 | Leeds | ah |
| 08:18.20 | Cope | back in a bit |
| 08:18.55 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: I got a modded one here, so I could also use it for games... my main reason for wanting Linux on it is that I watch far more downloaded stuff than I do either TV or DVDs, so I wanted it as a media player |
| 08:19.15 | Leeds | I guess the price will drop through the floor in a month or so |
| 08:19.52 | ProperMadDad | well Leeds thats what I want it for |
| 08:20.05 | ProperMadDad | but no games |
| 08:20.46 | Leeds | well that's easy enough - particularly if you're happy with the supplied freevo setup |
| 08:21.44 | ProperMadDad | I'll have to nip out later for a usb keyboard I'll nick the mouse off the laptop |
| 08:22.16 | Leeds | you can actually do the whole thing without a keyboard, assuming you can network it |
| 08:23.14 | Leeds | it comes up on the install CD listening on the network as well as the console - and if all you want is a media player, you never need plug in either a keyboard or mouse |
| 08:23.23 | ProperMadDad | Hum this sound better and better ? |
| 08:23.59 | Leeds | :-) |
| 08:24.08 | Leeds | do you have the/a remote? |
| 08:24.16 | ProperMadDad | right coffee smoke shower |
| 08:24.55 | morsing | What does this do: |
| 08:24.57 | morsing | -1 != (i = getopt(argc, argv, "?f:d:x" )) |
| 08:25.21 | ProperMadDad | Leeds yes I have a remote |
| 08:25.30 | morsing | and why is C such a stupid language? |
| 08:25.32 | Leeds | good |
| 08:25.52 | Leeds | morsing: portable assembler |
| 08:26.16 | morsing | Python? |
| 08:27.19 | Leeds | ? python is executable pseudo-code, perl is executable line-noise, C is portable assembler |
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| 08:27.30 | morsing | C is crap |
| 08:29.05 | morsing | Okay, I need to learn. What the best/quickest way to learn C++? |
| 08:29.17 | morsing | Learn Direct? |
| 08:30.03 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 08:30.57 | murb | learn direct? |
| 08:31.04 | Leeds | no idea - I don't know C++ |
| 08:31.13 | Leeds | you do know that C and C++ are different languages, right? |
| 08:31.14 | morsing | murb: Should I call them? |
| 08:31.23 | morsing | Leeds: They are not |
| 08:31.32 | morsing | Same crap |
| 08:31.40 | Leeds | plus, I never really took a course in a language in my life - maybe got a book, maybe just dug around online |
| 08:31.46 | Leeds | no, they are different languages |
| 08:31.58 | morsing | Leeds: If you say so... |
| 08:32.03 | Leeds | if you go to learn one expecting to use the knowledge for the other, you're going to get very very confused |
| 08:32.18 | morsing | So which one do I need? |
| 08:32.31 | morsing | Which one is this: |
| 08:32.31 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.32 | Leeds | are you planning to write OS-level code? |
| 08:32.58 | morsing | No - I need it for modifying stuff I can't get to work like nmon2rrd |
| 08:33.16 | Leeds | if you want to modify existing code, you need to learn the language that code is written in |
| 08:33.24 | morsing | Is nmon2rrd C? |
| 08:33.30 | Leeds | if you want to write OS-level code (kernel, drivers, core utilities), you need C |
| 08:33.36 | Leeds | otherwise, avoid C++ and just use python :-) |
| 08:34.14 | Leeds | how the fsck am I supposed to know what language an arbitrary tool is written in? |
| 08:34.17 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.26 | morsing | Leeds: Well how do I tell? |
| 08:34.48 | Leeds | what's the file called? what compiler do you use to build it? |
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| 08:35.10 | murb | 4 and 8 char indent? |
| 08:35.12 | ProperMadDad | Leeds : will I have to use the cromwell bios on my mod chip ? |
| 08:35.31 | morsing | Leeds: I used gcc to compile it |
| 08:35.50 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: no, cromwell is a replacement bios for when you don't have a mod-chip |
| 08:35.54 | Leeds | morsing: then it's C |
| 08:36.00 | morsing | Leeds: If you honestly believe C and C++ are different there *must* be a way of looking at the code and telling the difference! |
| 08:36.34 | Leeds | morsing: yes, of course there is |
| 08:37.44 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: officially, xbox-linux is only really supported with cromwell or a software hack - but it works fine with a modchip - the point is that cromwell is 'cleaner', more legal, than the modchips, so it makes the whole project 'cleaner' |
| 08:38.06 | morsing | gregj: How do I tell the difference? |
| 08:42.34 | Leeds | AFAIK, C++ is a true superset of C, but someone who knows C cannot write good C++, and someone who knows C++ cannot write good C |
| 08:43.17 | morsing | I don't want to write it though, just make minor modifications and corrcet errors |
| 08:43.48 | murb | morsing: so read a book. |
| 08:43.58 | morsing | murb: Can you recommend one? |
| 08:43.58 | murb | don't waste? time on a course. |
| 08:44.13 | morsing | murb: Noone ever suggested a course |
| 08:44.20 | Leeds | morsing: you could always start with the C book... |
| 08:44.34 | morsing | *The* C book? |
| 08:44.37 | Leeds | you suggested Learn Direct |
| 08:44.40 | Leeds | yes, The C book |
| 08:44.45 | morsing | Leeds: That was a joke |
| 08:45.32 | Leeds | ah |
| 08:46.02 | Leeds | although, confusingly, there appears to be a book called "The C Book" available online, which isn't, of course, the actual C book |
| 08:46.30 | murb | the C programming language wouldn't be a bad start. |
| 08:46.50 | murb | try and get an older printingi on proper thin paper |
| 08:46.54 | Leeds | which is, incidentally, available in Danish :-) |
| 08:48.10 | Leeds | actually, there could be many worse places to start than "The C Book" - if for no other reason than it lives in Leeds: http://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/ |
| 08:49.57 | Leeds | and for many years I used http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html for reference - nice to see it's still there |
| 08:50.56 | Leeds | morsing: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cbook/ is the real C book |
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| 08:54.23 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 08:54.34 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 08:56.58 | Leeds | I still love the fact that both Kernighan and Richie have simple, almost-all-text homepages at bell.com, containing mainly links to interesting places |
| 08:57.52 | George | some russian tosspot is currently posting spam messages to my blog |
| 09:10.08 | murb | George: how do you know they are russian? |
| 09:11.46 | George | well, I haven't done any significant checks, but the hostname they're linking to is .ru |
| 09:11.49 | George | I can't be bothered to whois the IP |
| 09:15.33 | morsing | Where is wethrin? |
| 09:16.59 | ProperMadDad | hey Leeds burnt the iso and I'm now logged in via ssh |
| 09:17.22 | ProperMadDad | will I need to burn the other 2 iso's ? |
| 09:21.22 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: loopback mount :-) |
| 09:21.33 | Leeds | morsing: Durham? On the train? |
| 09:23.48 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: do you know how to loopback mount |
| 09:23.49 | Leeds | ? |
| 09:24.21 | ProperMadDad | humm just installing now making the swap space |
| 09:24.29 | Leeds | good |
| 09:25.09 | ProperMadDad | using the xbox just for linux |
| 09:25.31 | Leeds | nice and easy |
| 09:25.41 | ProperMadDad | well upto now |
| 09:26.10 | Leeds | the important point if you want it as a media player is to setup the autologin for... can't remember, but it's in the readme... a particular username which means it boots straight into freevo |
| 09:27.08 | ProperMadDad | ok Leeds I would like to use Debian but how difficult is it to get the nvidia drivers working ? |
| 09:27.18 | ProperMadDad | on my pc |
| 09:29.27 | ProperMadDad | amd 3500 x86_64 nvidia 6600 GT 1Gb 2x 250Gb sata drives asus 8NSLi motherboard |
| 09:29.32 | Leeds | I don't do debian advice |
| 09:29.37 | ProperMadDad | ok |
| 09:29.42 | Leeds | :-) |
| 09:29.59 | ProperMadDad | anyone here that does ? |
| 09:30.03 | Leeds | you want SlayerXP for that, our resident Debian zealot in Norway |
| 09:30.35 | ProperMadDad | so what do you lot use now ? |
| 09:30.38 | Leeds | but he's obviously not here right now |
| 09:30.47 | Leeds | slackware all the way... with a bit of freebsd on the side |
| 09:30.59 | Leeds | woo, hometime bell! :-) |
| 09:32.19 | ProperMadDad | 19 |
| 09:32.27 | ProperMadDad | whoops |
| 09:33.19 | kbsingh | ProperMadDad, why not CentOS :) |
| 09:33.25 | kbsingh | rpm forever! |
| 09:33.29 | Leeds | oops... just managed to put my middle name into a form in the "Chinese name" box... because I couldn't read the Chinese which said "Chinese name" |
| 09:33.49 | kbsingh | :) |
| 09:33.49 | rhowe | Leeds: heh |
| 09:33.56 | Leeds | I am learning, slowly |
| 09:34.17 | Leeds | rpm bad. deb bad. tgz good! |
| 09:39.34 | ProperMadDad | hum kbsingh never heard of that |
| 09:40.30 | kbsingh | ouch, that hurts :D |
| 09:40.31 | ProperMadDad | right bloody xbox would'nt boot |
| 09:40.51 | kbsingh | I would not put CentOS on an xbox anyway ... |
| 09:41.18 | Leeds | kbsingh: needs a patched kernel |
| 09:41.19 | ProperMadDad | start again |
| 09:41.28 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: why didn't it boot? |
| 09:41.53 | kbsingh | Leeds, yea - also i think the RAM issue is kinda limiting, CentOS is built to expect 256megs |
| 09:42.10 | Leeds | surely 64meg should be enough for anyone? |
| 09:42.27 | kbsingh | and thats what the installer leaves behind, but is easy to tweak down to run fine with a gui on 128 |
| 09:42.46 | kbsingh | Leeds, Gill Bates said 640kb should be enough... |
| 09:42.51 | ProperMadDad | well I istalled it to just use linux and when it finished I went to reboot and it would'nt |
| 09:44.01 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: so debug the thing... |
| 09:45.03 | ProperMadDad | haha I need to use cromwell if I use the xbox just for linux |
| 09:45.19 | ProperMadDad | so off to flash the bios |
| 09:45.36 | Leeds | possibly... or possibly you need a boot partition the modchip can read |
| 09:46.25 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: I suggest you should be in #xbox-linux@irc.oftc.net |
| 09:47.11 | ProperMadDad | I'll flash with cromwell and thake it from there |
| 09:47.50 | Leeds | if you're happy doing that, fine... that's one thing I've never done, and I'd be a bit scared of doing... you should be in that channe; |
| 09:47.53 | Leeds | channel |
| 09:49.10 | ProperMadDad | flashing the bios on a mod chip is straight forward |
| 09:49.36 | Leeds | as you wish |
| 09:53.10 | ProperMadDad | now it's booting |
| 09:59.18 | Leeds | into freevo? |
| 10:04.01 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:04.11 | ProperMadDad | freevo ? |
| 10:04.20 | Leeds | freevo |
| 10:04.29 | Leeds | bye |
| 10:04.39 | ProperMadDad | bye Leeds |
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| 10:06.57 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 10:07.05 | morsing | Sorry - got a DGSP! |
| 10:07.54 | morsing | ~seen wethrin |
| 10:07.55 | ibot | wethrin is currently on #gllug (10h 1m 1s) #classiccmp (10h 1m 1s) |
| 10:25.02 | rhowe | morsing: Where are you? |
| 10:25.26 | morsing | Hopton street |
| 10:25.41 | morsing | Where is wethrin? Is he coming out tonight? |
| 10:25.42 | rhowe | morsing: Where's that? |
| 10:25.54 | rhowe | wethrin said he'd be at the Windmill tonight |
| 10:26.02 | morsing | Southwark street, at Blackfriars bridge |
| 10:26.08 | morsing | Windmill?! |
| 10:26.09 | rhowe | I think, anyway.. I don't think that's the same place as the Lonix meet though# |
| 10:26.19 | rhowe | morsing: Lunchtime plans? |
| 10:26.31 | morsing | rhowe: Not really. Sandwich place? |
| 10:26.54 | rhowe | morsing: Borough market should be in full swing today, how about we sample its delights? |
| 10:27.03 | morsing | Yeah nice :-) |
| 10:27.08 | morsing | 12:05? |
| 10:27.17 | rhowe | morsing: Hm.. 12:35? |
| 10:27.27 | morsing | Mmm... 12:10? |
| 10:27.46 | rhowe | heh, OK. 12:05 then |
| 10:27.47 | morsing | 12:15? |
| 10:27.57 | morsing | Ok, 12:05 |
| 10:28.15 | rhowe | 12:05 at the sandwich place, or thereabouts |
| 10:28.21 | morsing | So what about drinks tonight? Is there a Lonix meet? Why is wethrin going to the Windmill? |
| 10:28.27 | rhowe | (Harper's Cafe) |
| 10:28.51 | rhowe | morsing: Apparently there's a Lonix meeting at Chinatown, but I could've sworn wethrin said he was going to the windmill.. IIRC there was a gllug-social posting |
| 10:29.07 | rhowe | morsing: Me, I'll be at neither. Got alternative plans of the female variety this evening |
| 10:29.17 | morsing | I have to meet Paul Rundle as well after work... |
| 10:31.39 | morsing | Mmm... RMC |
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| 10:36.29 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:36.53 | Leeds | hello... |
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| 10:43.22 | morsing | weasl77_! |
| 10:44.37 | morsing | okno |
| 10:44.41 | morsing | s// / |
| 11:00.50 | rhowe | morsing: Gone? |
| 11:01.13 | Leeds | okay, so how do I convince a bloke that he doesn't want to spend a fortune on an old motherboard and a couple of athlon-xps (assuming he can find them) as opposed to a modern system with a fast athlon64? |
| 11:02.23 | rhowe | Leeds: Tell him he can build a modern box for GBP300 or so |
| 11:02.53 | weasl77_ | greetings (& I cant type whilst eating) |
| 11:04.53 | Leeds | rhowe: he seems to want to spend stupid amounts of money - I'd be happy to see him with a 4k or faster Athlon64 or X2 - don't want to see him buying 32bit chips |
| 11:05.01 | Leeds | he's convinced he needs MP for video editing |
| 11:05.49 | rhowe | Hardly any video codecs are multithreaded |
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| 11:21.56 | wethrin | Hello |
| 11:23.03 | Leeds | hi |
| 11:28.19 | Leeds | dinnertime, bye! |
| 11:28.26 | wethrin | bye! |
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| 11:57.32 | wethrin | rhowe: Come to the pub! |
| 11:57.38 | wethrin | Well, in 5 hours |
| 11:57.38 | rhowe | wethrin: No |
| 11:57.40 | wethrin | bah |
| 12:01.53 | morsing | Hi rhowe :-) |
| 12:02.02 | morsing | wethrin: TEXT MESSAGES! |
| 12:02.14 | wethrin | Okay. I'm off now - see you at the pub this evening! |
| 12:02.27 | morsing | wethrin: WHICH PUB!? |
| 12:03.31 | Cope | hello |
| 12:03.36 | morsing | :-( |
| 12:03.47 | Cope | wethrin: very sorry I cannot come today - I am not in London :( |
| 12:05.00 | Cope | morsing: its in the email, I think |
| 12:05.03 | Cope | The Windmill? |
| 12:05.08 | morsing | I'm not on the list |
| 12:05.10 | Cope | ah |
| 12:05.17 | morsing | Where is the Windmill? |
| 12:05.42 | Cope | Windmill (on Mill Street, which is a bit off Regent Street) |
| 12:05.51 | Cope | according to Dan |
| 12:06.02 | morsing | Ah... So he still talks to you? |
| 12:06.16 | Cope | erm, yes. Frequently. |
| 12:07.17 | Cope | Leeds: does gvim have tabs? |
| 12:42.23 | Cope | nice |
| 12:42.57 | George | nice? |
| 12:43.06 | Cope | yes |
| 12:43.13 | Cope | you have your thinkpad |
| 12:43.15 | George | don't assume I've got my thinkpad |
| 12:43.20 | George | :P |
| 12:43.26 | George | I'm doing it in chroot on my athlon64 |
| 12:44.44 | George | -march=pentium-m -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe |
| 12:44.45 | George | :) |
| 12:47.32 | George | at least I won't run out of disk space |
| 12:47.38 | George | I'm doing it on a partition with 806GB free |
| 12:47.39 | George | heh |
| 12:51.14 | ufo_ | hello |
| 12:51.30 | ufo_ | does anyone have smartstart 5.5. ? |
| 12:51.48 | ufo_ | transfer rate from compaq ftp is terrible :/ |
| 12:51.51 | Cope | yes... but not right this second |
| 12:52.22 | Cope | its in the data centre, and I'm at home |
| 12:52.25 | ufo_ | I'm preparing for linux installation on old proliant 1600 :) |
| 12:52.56 | ufo_ | And this 5.5 is the last one which supports 1600 machine |
| 12:53.08 | Cope | yep |
| 12:53.24 | Cope | are you not in .pl? |
| 12:53.29 | ufo_ | I am :) |
| 12:53.35 | ufo_ | why? |
| 12:53.40 | Cope | so its not as if I could just pop the cd over to you! |
| 12:53.48 | Cope | i think ftp will be quicker :) |
| 12:54.04 | ufo_ | I agree |
| 12:54.06 | ufo_ | ;] |
| 12:54.32 | George | emerge sync: HURRY THE FUCK UP! |
| 12:54.59 | George | Cope: this is downloading, not compiling |
| 12:55.07 | George | Cope: want to fund a better internet connection for me? |
| 12:55.11 | Cope | George: yes... the pain is yet to come |
| 12:55.19 | George | Cope: I'll leave it overnight |
| 12:55.24 | Cope | George: yeah, good idea |
| 12:55.27 | George | Cope: I don't care... but this is hogging my internet connection |
| 12:55.33 | Cope | annoying |
| 12:55.33 | George | it's not the time which bothers me |
| 12:55.39 | George | I don't even have the machine it's installing on :) |
| 12:55.46 | Cope | no sure - the sucking of bandwidth is the pain |
| 12:56.14 | George | it's finished |
| 12:56.15 | George | excellent. |
| 12:56.23 | ufo_ | btw anyone of you are using adsl modems? |
| 12:56.36 | George | adsl modems don't exist |
| 12:56.50 | George | they don't modulate nor demodulate, therefore it's a misnomer |
| 12:57.23 | ufo_ | anyway, there is a bug in last "stable" ppp ;] |
| 12:57.31 | George | I use an ethernet router :P |
| 12:58.37 | ufo_ | me too, but the biggest polish ISP still selling adsl modems for home users |
| 12:59.28 | ufo_ | I installed and configured latest ubuntu and for some reasons modem disconnect after the exact amount of time |
| 12:59.50 | ufo_ | I thought that's ISP foult but it's a bug in ppp :/ |
| 13:00.41 | ufo_ | For some reason it cannot reconnect even persist option is set. |
| 13:01.07 | ufo_ | So i f someone still using adsl and have the same issue solution is to downgrade the package :D |
| 13:10.29 | George | well that's just GREAT |
| 13:10.33 | George | I've been offered a refund. |
| 13:14.06 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 13:22.47 | rhowe | George: Um, surely they do modulate and demodulate? They have to turn the digital signal into an analogue one for transmission along the copper wire... or is that not done by modulation any more? |
| 13:23.02 | George | adsl uses digital signals on the copper wire if I'm not mistaken |
| 13:23.20 | rhowe | George: I highly doubt that.. |
| 13:25.17 | rhowe | George: Well.. even ethernet modulates the signal, I think you'll find :) |
| 13:25.26 | George | hrmm. |
| 13:27.11 | rhowe | George: It probably depends on where you draw the line between digital and analogue |
| 13:27.41 | George | well, digital is a subset of analogue :P |
| 13:27.51 | rhowe | George: Indeed :) |
| 13:28.11 | George | now compiling binutils. |
| 13:28.24 | rhowe | George: Although I suspect that ADSL will have a lot of error correction in its signal to cover up the fact that it is in fact an analogue waveform which is being interpreted in the modem to provuide a digital data stream |
| 13:28.25 | George | I need a quad opteron |
| 13:28.39 | rhowe | George: I have an 8 way power5 just waiting to do some work.. |
| 13:28.51 | George | that's powerpc :( |
| 13:29.04 | rhowe | George: It could have a crosscompiler put on it... :) |
| 13:30.22 | George | lol |
| 13:30.23 | Cope | rhowe: have you used tick for anything useful yet? |
| 13:32.31 | Cope | ibot ping 213.225.138.125 |
| 13:32.35 | ibot | pong 213.225.138.125 |
| 13:33.17 | Cope | ibot: I don't believe you |
| 13:33.18 | ibot | You don't believe you? |
| 13:35.27 | rhowe | Cope: Nope |
| 13:35.42 | Cope | indeed |
| 13:35.44 | rhowe | Cope: I used it to test a friend's netcat code on ppc64, but that's about it |
| 13:38.42 | George | right, my father is now at their office place |
| 13:38.43 | George | apparently |
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| 13:45.27 | George | right, it's been redirected to school. |
| 13:50.56 | rhowe | http://www.haringey.gov.uk/leisure/leisure_centres/tottenham_green.htm |
| 14:01.47 | rhowe | Cope: Thinking of going swimming tomorrow |
| 14:01.56 | rhowe | Cope: Or even possibly tonight |
| 14:02.26 | Cope | rhowe: i am starting swimming lessons next week |
| 14:02.52 | rhowe | Cope: In the beautiful blue Southampton sea? |
| 14:02.54 | ufo_ | Try windsurfing :) |
| 14:02.59 | Cope | no, in ironmonger row |
| 14:03.10 | Cope | baths |
| 14:26.32 | murb | this is the weird time of the year when both the ice rink and the outside pool are open! |
| 14:33.11 | George | how do I find out which -march optimisations are supported by my gcc version? |
| 14:35.10 | Cope | changelogs in /usr/share/doc/? |
| 14:41.05 | rhowe | George: Look at a gentoo makefile? It probably has them all specified :P |
| 14:41.20 | George | ... |
| 14:44.40 | Cope | "Last night I dreamed that somebody loved me...." |
| 14:45.26 | ProperMadDad | well it was'nt me Cope |
| 14:57.30 | ufo_ | lol |
| 15:01.06 | George | Cope: awww |
| 15:01.21 | Cope | :(`( |
| 15:01.50 | George | Cope: looks like it's being delivered to school instead |
| 15:01.52 | George | on WEDNESDAY |
| 15:01.55 | Cope | arse |
| 15:02.04 | George | I know |
| 15:02.04 | ProperMadDad | how's the install going George and sorry to upset you Cope |
| 15:02.05 | George | what a pain |
| 15:02.10 | George | ProperMadDad: crap |
| 15:02.54 | ProperMadDad | I've never managed to get a good install of gentoo ( thats cos I just can't do it) |
| 15:03.16 | Cope | having changed from using ratpoison for ages |
| 15:03.19 | George | what's the difference in performance between the normal, low voltage and ultra low voltage versions of the Pentium M? |
| 15:03.54 | Cope | George: dunno, but maybe somewhere like tomshardware would have an article, and maybe some benchmarks? |
| 15:03.54 | ProperMadDad | sound's like it uses less voltage |
| 15:04.17 | George | or are they all the same but the ULV and LV cores are hand picked because they work at lower voltages? |
| 15:14.49 | ProperMadDad | anyone know were I can download a pdf version of the BSD Handbook please ? |
| 15:15.37 | ProperMadDad | or is it called Freebsd |
| 15:16.04 | Leeds | hi everybody! |
| 15:17.01 | ProperMadDad | Hi Leeds xbox is working great thanks |
| 15:17.54 | Leeds | ProperMadDad: freevo and all? |
| 15:18.28 | ProperMadDad | Leeds : yep |
| 15:19.12 | Leeds | cool |
| 15:20.26 | George | I've decided I need a new brain |
| 15:20.31 | George | anyone willing to donate me a brain? |
| 15:23.05 | Leeds | I don't even have one fully-working one for my own use |
| 15:24.15 | ProperMadDad | My son say's that my brain was falling to my feet and got stuck half way there |
| 15:32.00 | George | hardly surprising. That should be "says" not "say's". |
| 15:32.06 | George | :P |
| 15:32.39 | rhowe | George: Post a 'WANTED' on freecycle |
| 15:32.47 | George | freecycle? |
| 15:32.56 | rhowe | freecycle.org |
| 16:17.21 | rhowe | "THE RECEIVER REQUESTS UPS TO HOLD THIS SHPT AND CONTACT THEM FOR SPECIFIC INFORMATION BEFORE |
| 16:17.24 | rhowe | CUSTOMS CLEARANCE;FORWARDED TO THE FACILITY IN THE DESTINATION CITY " |
| 16:17.28 | rhowe | Does that make sense to anyone? |
| 16:18.20 | Cope | yes |
| 16:19.02 | rhowe | Who is the receiver? The addressee? |
| 16:19.30 | Cope | the person who is being sent a parcel is asking the courier firm to hold onto the package, until further instructions; consequently the package has been shipped to the warehouse in the city where the intended recipient resides/ |
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| 16:32.11 | rhowe | Cope: But she isn't |
| 16:32.20 | rhowe | Cope: She wants the package. She doesn't want it held at customs. |
| 16:33.11 | Cope | ok |
| 16:33.26 | Cope | well its currently at a UPS depot in the destination city |
| 16:34.30 | kbsingh | rhowe, from previous experience .... UPS are going to send a letter or something to the person |
| 16:34.46 | kbsingh | and let them know if there is any specific clearence papers required or any signoff etc |
| 16:34.55 | kbsingh | any dutyable goods in that package ? |
| 16:34.57 | rhowe | kbsingh: Since the package contains fake designer goods... |
| 16:36.06 | kbsingh | Ive had something like this a couple of months back when I got a machine over from the US |
| 16:36.28 | kbsingh | why not just call UPS and find out whats cooking |
| 16:36.51 | rhowe | kbsingh: Do customs take a dim view of people importing fake designer gear? |
| 16:37.17 | kbsingh | rhowe, I have no idea |
| 16:37.19 | rhowe | kbsingh: I think the recipient is worried of taking any actions which would indicate her expectance of the package |
| 16:37.49 | kbsingh | they didnt like me importing 4 Dell Poweredge machines ( since at one time these machines were prohibited from Exporting from the US, and they still had that sticker on there ) |
| 16:41.08 | Leeds | rhowe: personal or commercial quantities of fake designer goods? counterfeit-quaility or just lookalikes? |
| 16:45.01 | rhowe | Leeds: Hm.. multiple bags.. probably borderline commercial |
| 16:45.14 | rhowe | Leeds: I guess 5-10 bags, probably counterfeit-quality |
| 16:48.02 | Cope | how naughty |
| 16:48.07 | Leeds | in which case I'd say yes, customs could well be interested, up to and including criminal-level interest :-( |
| 16:48.22 | Leeds | 1/2 knock-offs, no-one will care |
| 16:48.32 | Leeds | 10 counterfeits, doesn't look innocent |
| 16:48.38 | Cope | play with fire and expect to get burned |
| 16:48.45 | Cope | seems like a pretty foolish thing to do |
| 16:49.11 | Leeds | rhowe: is there commercial *intent*? |
| 16:50.17 | rhowe | Leeds: Yes |
| 16:50.32 | rhowe | Leeds: Destined for ebay |
| 16:51.01 | Leeds | bad bad bad |
| 16:51.09 | Leeds | step *away* from the package |
| 16:51.14 | rhowe | heh |
| 16:51.55 | Leeds | and in any case, duty will doubtless be due |
| 16:52.52 | Leeds | assuming the package came from outside the EU |
| 16:53.02 | rhowe | It did |
| 16:53.15 | rhowe | Came from somewhere not a million miles from you, I suspect |
| 16:53.26 | rhowe | Maybe a little to the north |
| 16:54.04 | Cope | and she thought she'd get away with it? |
| 16:54.10 | Cope | strange firl |
| 16:54.14 | Cope | gril too |
| 16:54.16 | Cope | and girl |
| 16:54.24 | rhowe | been done before |
| 16:54.36 | Cope | so has murder, rape and treason |
| 16:54.51 | Cope | doesn't decrease the probability of being caught doing something stupid and illegal |
| 16:54.52 | rhowe | I mean the individual in question has never had this trouble in the past |
| 16:55.10 | rhowe | But yes, more risky than I think this person realised |
| 16:55.45 | Leeds | honestly, I suspect - particularly if it's been done before - that seeking formal legal advice might not be an overreaction |
| 16:56.32 | rhowe | perhaps not, but it's only been 2 days |
| 16:56.48 | rhowe | No contact has been made yet, this is from the package tracking on the courier's website |
| 16:57.13 | Leeds | has she paid duty in the past? |
| 16:57.25 | rhowe | I doubt she even knows what duty is |
| 16:57.55 | Leeds | :-( |
| 16:58.34 | Leeds | this may be a silly question, but I assume she's Chinese? |
| 16:59.02 | rhowe | Yes, Chinese nationality |
| 16:59.21 | rhowe | Neither a British citizen, nor has PR |
| 16:59.24 | rhowe | Or ILM |
| 16:59.30 | Leeds | um... that would scare me even more |
| 16:59.35 | Leeds | ILM? |
| 16:59.43 | rhowe | Indefinite Leave to Remain |
| 16:59.46 | rhowe | ILR, rather |
| 16:59.47 | Leeds | ah |
| 17:00.31 | Leeds | Industrial Light & Magic? |
| 17:00.43 | Leeds | student visa or some such? |
| 17:00.51 | rhowe | Yeah, student visa |
| 17:01.00 | Leeds | oops |
| 17:01.33 | Leeds | so, importing potentially illegal goods, without paying duty, and selling for a profit while on a non-working visa? |
| 17:01.42 | Cope | smart girl |
| 17:02.06 | Cope | but I suppose not uncommon |
| 17:02.16 | rhowe | Leeds: Indeed |
| 17:02.20 | Leeds | I'm not sure that a UK student visa forbids working... |
| 17:02.32 | rhowe | Leeds: It doesn't. 20 hours a week is permitted |
| 17:03.02 | Leeds | 100% forbidden here on a non-working visa - even voluntary work is forbidden |
| 17:03.31 | rhowe | heh |
| 17:03.49 | rhowe | Slight thinko.. "Anything which turns a crash into an exploit is a good thing in my eyes" |
| 17:03.55 | Leeds | because, I suppose, you could be taking an unpaid position away from a poor local :-) |
| 17:12.05 | Leeds | bye |
| 20:47.12 | JAV | hello! |
| 20:49.50 | George | damn the alias scriptwriters |
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| 22:57.36 | Cope | eventide |
| 23:46.47 | George | HELLO |
| 23:46.56 | George | I AM BLOB FROM THE PLANET POOTAH |