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08:00.16Leedsthe Spaniards are coming! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4391754.stm
08:08.10murbwho owns telefonica?
08:11.10GeorgeLeeds: argh
08:11.22murbGeorge: why?
08:11.24GeorgeLeeds: one wonders how they afforded it
08:11.27Georgelol
08:11.35GeorgeO2's pretty damn big
08:12.24murbI'm using D2 now anyway.
08:16.34Leedsmurb: I suggest asking either formi or JAV...
08:34.17mozratmorning
08:35.13Leedsso, my desk happens to be right by the door of the office... and if the local admin isn't at his desk (across from me), I'm the first person people see when they come in... unfortunately, most of the time, I can't actually speak to them at all...
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08:42.02morsing'morning all
08:42.54Leedshey morsing
08:49.02rhowetoo hot and need to go
09:23.51Copemorning chums
09:25.43Leedsmurb: I would imagine GNER yes, Eurostar no
09:26.20murbLeeds: I've yet to meet a drunken anti social type in economyplus on GNER.
09:27.10mozratmorning Cope
09:30.14morsing'morning Cope
09:30.44morsingmurb: Is that because you're the anti social type?
09:31.49murbmorsing: I don't know.
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09:39.52mozrathttp://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/highvoice.html < SFW
09:39.57mozratexcellent
09:40.19morsingkbsingh!
09:40.31kbsinghmorsing!
09:40.39kbsingh$TZ Greetings
09:41.55murbhmm Europe/Berlin greetings to you as well...
09:49.56gregjquote of the day :" It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education" -- AE
09:50.00gregjanother one "if we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?"
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09:50.03gregj:]
09:50.24morsingweasl77!
09:50.32weasl77morn
09:51.55Leedsr&d are very different things nowadays
09:58.29gregjtrue
10:00.05Leedsthat is, different from each other
10:01.12gregjthat's the nature of research, isn't
10:03.28gregjis the 1st, day off in UK ?
10:03.37Leedsnope, why would  it be?
10:03.56gregjit is 'all saints' in PL, and that's holiday
10:04.05gregjso it is a very long weekend now
10:04.12Leedsthis isn't a Christian 'country'
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10:04.29gregjisland
10:04.30gregj:]
10:04.33LeedsChristmas and Easter are hols from the British history, but nothing else
10:05.26LeedsHK island is the second-biggest island in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region - the island is geographic, the SAR is political
10:07.46Leedsspeaking of which, the Hong Kong Knowledge: http://www.td.gov.hk/UtilityManager/Publication/upload/20_e.pdf
10:24.52Leedshometime...
10:59.23mozratFor giving slideshow presentations does anyone have any suggestions apart from OO.o Impress?
10:59.36mozratnothing against OO.o, just wondering if there was a better tool to use
11:00.24kbsinghmozrat, I see flash based presentations being used more and more these days
11:00.43mozratkbsingh: is there a decent tool for creating presentations this way though?
11:01.06kbsinghmozrat, I dont know - sorry
11:01.14mozratkbsingh: np :)
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11:01.57kbsinghcould you use something like 'swish' or some such tool to create the flash code itself ?
11:03.31mozratImpress is fine tbh
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11:05.15rhowemozrat: I've seen people use magicpoint, although I don't know if that's a GUI thing.. I suspect not
11:05.51Leedsmagicpoint is a non-gui presentation application
11:12.13highbury~seen jason_ukfsn
11:12.20ibotjason_ukfsn <n=jason@spc2-watf3-5-0-cust146.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 4d 20h 39m 50s ago, saying: 'hello all'.
11:12.42rhoweLeeds: Hm, any chance you could find a cheap (sub-HK$400) MP3 player for me in HK sometime in the next month?
11:13.22rhoweLeeds: Ogg support would be nice, but totally unnecessary (I think I have one ogg file...), and ability to take SD cards seems like a nice-to-have, but probably not all that necessary..
11:14.05rhoweLeeds: Be nice if it took a single AA battery though, and if it wasn't much bigger than the battery
11:15.30rhoweLeeds: A friend is passing through HK towards the end of November
11:16.23kbsinghrhowe, did your friend make any progress with that UPS package ?
11:16.23Leedsyes, probably :-)
11:16.55kbsinghI've had a note about customs retention today, for a box with 4 keyboards in it being sent over from the US
11:21.19Leedshmm... would having a DVD drive which has never had a region set result in huge start-up times for mplayer playing from a physical disk?
11:23.50Leedsand then the video being corrupted... I think the answer is yes...
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11:26.06mozrathi ProperMadDad
11:26.18ProperMadDadhi mozrat
11:26.54Leedsevening ProperMadDad
11:27.03ProperMadDadmy son said to use it
11:27.27ProperMadDadwell it's still mornin where I am
11:27.47mozratProperMadDad: Ignore Leeds, he is on some strange TZ
11:28.00ProperMadDadGood mornin evening Leeds
11:29.14Leedsregion set to 2, now playing DVD
11:29.34ProperMadDadwhich on Leeds
11:29.36highburyanybody recommend the cheapest place to buy a .org.uk domain? it appears jason_ukfsn doesn't seel them
11:29.38ProperMadDadone
11:30.11rhowekbsingh: Not heard from her as yet
11:30.22rhowekbsingh: She didn't mention it yesterday and she has uni work to hand in today
11:30.34rhoweLeeds: Yes
11:30.39LeedsProperMadDad: what?
11:30.52Leedsah
11:30.55LeedsProperMadDad: I'm in Hong Kong
11:30.55ProperMadDadwhich DVD you watching
11:30.55rhoweLeeds: It does some kind of expensive scan of the disk or something.. I remember it took ages when I tried it before
11:31.03ProperMadDadho
11:31.17Leedshighbury: ukreg.com? 3 quid
11:31.48Leedsrhowe: I've set it to 2 - anything I buy around here (or in SL) will be region-free, and I should be able to liberate it at some point in the future anyway
11:31.54LeedsProperMadDad: Coupling, season 2
11:32.18ProperMadDadnever watched that Leeds
11:34.01LeedsProperMadDad: sort of an English Friends
11:36.26mozratCoupling++
11:36.42morsingmoo
11:36.52LeedsI've now bought 5/4 of the DVDs :-)
11:36.52morsingmozrat: CPF?
11:37.16mozratmorsing: ?
11:37.33morsingLeeds: I ripped six CDs yesterday and played them in my car driving to work :-)
11:37.40ErwinCalling Coupling an English "Friends" is .. awrgh. urgh.
11:38.00morsingmozrat: Coupling?>
11:38.46LeedsErwin: easiest description... 3 blokes, 3 birds, lots of time in a bar...
11:38.52mozrathttp://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/coupling/
11:39.25mozratErwin, was your "urgh" in defense of Coupling or Friends?
11:39.45Leedsmozrat: did you see the American Coupling?
11:40.15mozrat""I need breasts with brains. I don’t mean individual brains, obviously... I mean, not a brain each. You know, I like intelligent women, but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere... I think breast brains would be over-egging the woman pudding.""
11:40.27Leeds"The woman with 2 brains!"
11:40.35Leeds"3 brains, Patrick!"
11:40.56Leedsmozrat: to be fair, almost anything said by Jeff
11:41.27mozratLeeds, yes
11:42.20Leedsand I still have a soft spot for it because the first ep I ever saw was the one which is about 25% in Hebrew
11:42.20ErwinRight. and compare to Friends. Was it ever funny?
11:42.40ErwinOn the other hand, I found the spin-off, Joey, mildly amusing.
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12:06.55morsingkuessmich!
12:18.53Leedshttp://london.metblogs.com/archives/2005/10/the_history_of.phtml
12:19.12LeedsStephen Hawking speaking in London
12:21.09Leedson the other hand, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/video_complaint/
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13:27.14morsingLeeds!
13:31.59Leedshi
13:32.02Leedsbye
13:38.29mozratChaps - how can I get a USB device to load a certain USB module when it is inserted?
13:38.33mozrathotplug?
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13:41.10Leedssorry, playing with my X settings
13:41.20mozratHey Leeds
13:42.32Leedshmm... I appear to have lost working xv... back soon
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13:48.53Leedsokay, glx works to some extent, xv works, sdl doesn't
13:49.01mozratGeorge: help me with my usb problem pls
13:49.19Georgedon't know much about usb
13:49.43mozrat:(
13:51.38mozratLeeds, you were offline when I asked this - do you know how to get a USB device to load a specific kernel module?
13:53.21Leedsum... in a hotplugish sense?
13:53.42mozratyes
13:53.51mozratI thought hotplug but I'm not sure how
13:53.54Leedswhat sort of device? what kernel?
13:54.54mozrat2.6.12-8-386
13:55.04mozratIt's a xp-pro USB tablet
13:55.21mozratI've found the site that deals with this kind of stuff and it's a module called wacom
13:56.18Leedsah, wacom!
13:56.33mozratyes!
13:56.35Copeisn't that a weird religious sect?
13:56.40mozrat:)
13:56.51Copeoh no.. that's judaism
13:56.55LeedsI've heard of wacom...
13:57.02LeedsCope: watch it, Jesus-boy
13:57.09Cope*snort*
13:57.15Leedsmorsing: if you manually load the driver, does the device work?
13:57.16CopeI think not...
13:57.49mozratLeeds, no. I load the module and then from /var/log/messages I can see another kernel taking care of it
13:58.03mozratOct 31 13:21:30 localhost kernel: [4306099.359000] input,hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [UC-LOGIC Tablet WP5540U] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2
13:58.28Leedsokay, does it work as a mouse? :-)
13:59.09mozratwell - yes and no
13:59.16mozratit is a tablet with a mouse as well
13:59.19Leedsjob done then :-0
13:59.22mozratthe mouse works, the tablet doesn't
13:59.23mozrathehe
14:00.44Leedsdo you know lsusb?
14:00.52Leedsdo you have the usbfs mounted?
14:01.29JAVhi!
14:01.41LeedsJAV: hi!
14:02.01morsingLeeds: What?!?
14:02.01mozratI know lsusb
14:02.11mozratmorsing: Sssh :)
14:02.21Leedsmorsing: if you manually load the driver, does the device work?
14:02.22mozratI have usbfs mounted
14:02.37morsingLeeds: What?!?
14:02.58Leedsmorsing: if you manually load the driver, does the device work?
14:03.00morsingLeeds: What?!?
14:03.06Leedsmozrat: does lsusb tell you anything interesting?
14:03.07morsingStop it!
14:03.07mozratmorsing: just say no
14:03.09Leedsmorsing: if you manually load the driver, does the device work?
14:03.24mozratBus 002 Device 004: ID 5543:0004 UC-Logic Technology Corp. Genius MousePen 5x4 Tablet
14:03.43Leedsmozrat: what I'm thinking is that it might be two devices
14:03.44mozratso it see's what it is - I just want the wacom module to take control of it
14:03.54mozratahh, no
14:04.03mozratI can only see one entry there
14:04.07mozratI see what you are aiming at now
14:06.17Leedshmm... I assume the ID is in hex...
14:06.52Leedsbecause 0x056a seems to be wacom
14:06.59rhowemozrat: Looks like you might need this - CONFIG_USB_WACOM#
14:07.16rhowemozrat: "Say Y here if you want to use the USB version of the Wacom Intuos or Graphire tablet.  Make sure to say Y to "Mouse support" (CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV) and/or "Event interface support" (CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV) as well."
14:07.21Leedsrhowe: I assumed he'd built the driver... I could be wrong
14:07.23rhowemozrat: Does that match what you have?
14:08.03mozratfrom /proc/bus/usb/devices
14:08.05mozratT:  Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#=  4 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
14:08.05mozratD:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
14:08.05mozratP:  Vendor=5543 ProdID=0004 Rev= 0.00
14:08.05mozratS:  Manufacturer=UC-LOGIC
14:08.07mozratS:  Product=Tablet WP5540U
14:08.10mozratC:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=100mA
14:08.12mozratI:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid
14:08.15mozratE:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=10ms
14:08.44Leedsmorsing: it's not actually a wacom tablet, is it?
14:08.49Leedsmozrat: same question
14:09.10rhoweVendor=5543 - doesn't look like the vendor ID in the wacom.c driver
14:09.18mozratLeeds, no. Neither is morsings. But usenet pointed me that way for this device
14:09.18rhowe#define USB_VENDOR_ID_WACOM     0x056a
14:09.33mozratI have CONFIG_USB_WACOM=m in my config file
14:09.34Leedsrhowe: I said that 3 minutes ago! :-)
14:09.56rhoweLeeds: oops :)
14:09.59mozratLeeds, all of the modules I have are from the kernel that ships with Ubuntu
14:10.05mozratI haven't built anything
14:10.17Leedshmm... ubuntu
14:11.21mozratso maybe this tablet won't work with that module :(
14:11.44Leedspossibly not
14:11.52mozratbummer
14:11.52Leedswhy do you think it would?
14:12.18mozratJust the guy on usenet - he was pointed to that site and then he reported it working with some tweaks to his X config
14:13.00rhowemozrat: As a mouse, perhaps
14:13.13Leedsmozrat: link?
14:13.14mozratrhowe: possibly
14:13.24mozrathttp://groups.google.com/group/uk.comp.os.linux/browse_thread/thread/a034cef026727189?hl=en
14:14.21rhoweYeah, that's using it as a mouse, not as a graphics tablet
14:14.40mozratI see
14:14.47rhoweNote the comment "done xp-pen as a mouse"
14:14.53mozratyes :(
14:16.16rhoweHaving asid all that, it may well work with one of the drivers in Linux... might just be a case of finding out what chip it's using
14:17.38JAVO2 will keep its name, so it's only a money thing, not really a noticeable change for the users
14:17.38JAVcheaper roaming i guess
14:17.45LeedsJAV: very little chance of that
14:18.47Leedsroaming costs *never* go down, except possibly with significant (say, involving at least 2 branches of the armed forces) government intervention
14:18.48JAVhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
14:19.57LeedsJAV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff_Britain
14:22.56murbJAV: they said the same about Cellnet then it becaome O2
14:24.00ProperMadDadis there a news binaries program other than pan for linux ?
14:24.43JAVLeeds: I didn't know the expression, but we feel the same here compared with france or germany.
14:24.43murbProperMadDad: news isn't appriate for binaries.
14:25.18murblots of things are cheaper in the uk than in germany.
14:25.41LeedsProperMadDad: I used something called ubh for a long time, but it died :-(
14:25.46murband dealing with .de computer supplies is a real pain as nearly non of them accept credit cards, and they are still more expensive.
14:26.25ProperMadDadgetting ticked off with pan crashing trying to get voyger
14:27.01JAVmurb: as I read they'll keep its name and being UK based but you are true; words are not facts
14:27.03ErwinWhy not do your copy infrigement using BT?
14:27.07ProperMadDadmurd : beers cheaper in Germany
14:27.17ProperMadDadmueb sorry
14:27.17murbErwin: because it is far more travable.
14:27.24murbProperMadDad: not very much cheaper in retail outlets.
14:27.31murband sometimes more expensive.
14:27.37murbas in 3.00 for 35cl or less.
14:27.40murbeuro
14:27.51murband teh price of beer tends to vary a lots in .uk
14:28.29ProperMadDadmurb : 75 cents for 1 litre when I went last year
14:28.40murbProperMadDad: retail?
14:28.45ProperMadDadyep
14:28.53ProperMadDadfrom the local store
14:28.57murbProperMadDad: i mean in a pub, sorry not a shop.
14:29.08murbpub prices are the same if not more expensive.
14:29.26ProperMadDadho don't go into pubs cost to much
14:29.41murbProperMadDad: including pfand?
14:30.31ProperMadDada bottle of coke was more expensive
14:31.04ProperMadDadso I just stayed on beer all week
14:34.16ProperMadDadonly thing I remember is that there was a river and it was a place called clone
14:34.37ProperMadDadcolne
14:35.18ProperMadDadit was in Germany anyway that I do know
14:35.34murbkoeln
14:35.41murbProperMadDad: don't forget normal shops aren't open very oftern in germany.
14:36.36ProperMadDad9.00am till 6.00pm I think
14:36.45ProperMadDadin the centre
14:37.01murbProperMadDad: not on sundays or holidays.
14:37.07murbclosing time is 20:00
14:37.22murbat the latest excpt kiosks who charge lots extra.
14:39.44ProperMadDadanyway on voyager you can get a drink 24/7
14:40.26ProperMadDadand its free
14:41.09ProperMadDadyou just talk to a computer and it makes you one
14:41.14Leedsvoyager?
14:41.18ProperMadDadwish I had one
14:41.39ProperMadDadstartrek voyager
14:42.21ProperMadDadfav tv show
14:42.28ProperMadDadprogram
14:42.53murbright.
14:43.58Leedsokay...
14:52.20kbsinghok
14:52.28kbsinghwho broke www.amazon.co.uk ?
14:54.01Leedswasn't me!
14:54.19LeedsI did get a package from them today though
14:54.20murbwho broke www.amazon.de
14:54.39JAVdaylight saving!
14:57.05morsingJAV!
14:57.32Leedsmozrat: by the way, you are aware that the writer of Coupling is called Steven, and his wife Sue is the producer?
14:57.43mozratno!
14:59.11Leedsah
15:29.55JAVmorsing! :D
15:55.49morsingstartrek sucks!
16:06.06ProperMadDadwell thats your opinion
16:06.36mozratit is and I'm sticking to it - you can try and beam me up or whatever but I hate Star Trek
16:06.48ProperMadDadif everyone liked the same thing the world would be boring
16:06.58mozraton account of my sister having dozens of videos before I left home and her hogging the TV and video watching them
16:07.25mozratThis was 13 years ago - I'm still sore about it :)
16:08.01ProperMadDadI have the same problem with my son and starwars
16:08.14LeedsProperMadDad: that's not true - if everyone liked Firefly, the world would be a much better place
16:08.23mozratWell - star wars is something completely different
16:08.30mozratStar Trek is completely unbelivable
16:08.40mozratStar Wars is...... umm,
16:08.41mozratreal!
16:09.21ProperMadDadmozrat I believe you
16:09.38mozratGood
16:09.46ProperMadDadThe Sith rule
16:33.15Leedswell, glx works well enough to run quake3 accellerated :-)
16:48.31Leedssleep time... g'night all
16:48.36mozratnn Leeds
16:48.36wethrinnn Leeds
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17:29.29mikejwyo!
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18:06.01mozratyo! mikejw
18:06.17mozrathowzit?
18:07.26mikejwdarn good thanks :D
18:07.36mozratgood :-)
18:07.43mikejwfinally have a permanenet connection again :P
18:07.56mozratthats a bonus
18:08.05mikejwabsolutely
18:08.49mikejw:)
18:12.29mozratahh, that magical night of the year where it is traditional to scare the bejesus out of old people and generally terrorise people
18:13.50mikejwyou gotta love it
18:15.44mozratHmmmm
18:18.23mozratmikejw, we're updating the IRC nicks photo page on the website and we need your photo
18:18.32mikejwoh cool
18:18.47mozrator some amusing cartoon that resembles you :-)
18:19.52mikejwwell I have a digital camera now so I'll see what might be appropriate through my collection :)
18:22.11mozratok - nothing full frontal and naked please :)
18:22.11mikejwok
18:22.11mozratcan you mail it to mozrat@gmail.com
18:23.10mikejwwill do
18:23.10mikejwwhere can I see that particular page by the way?
18:23.12mozratthe old page is on gllug.org.uk somewhere.... im on my blackberry so cant do links at the moment
18:23.22mikejwnp
18:23.31mozratgo to the online page, irc page, nicks page
18:23.52mozratbut the whole site is getting updated hence the collection of photos
18:23.53mikejwcool
18:24.04mikejwright I heard it's going mambo style
18:24.20mozratthe ones there now are very old
18:24.28mozratyes, mambo
18:25.32mikejwsounds good
18:26.13mozratyes, mambo is a bit of a learning curve but is quite good
18:26.19mikejwcool
18:26.30mozratfair amount of head scratching to begin with
18:26.34mikejwright
18:28.25mozratwoohoo - my tube station next stop, catch you later
18:34.21mikejwtake care buddy :)
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20:48.34jackdsgood evening gllug
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23:23.39mozratweasl77!!
23:37.20weasl77back again, hello all ..
23:37.26mozrathi
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