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00:19.48Leedswell, all credit to pan - its been downloading all night
00:26.35mozratmoin Leeds
00:26.53Leedsmorning
00:30.24Leedsoh, and par2++
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08:07.35Leedsmorning all...
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09:31.36morsing/home/morsing/documents/Henrik_Morsing_CV_newest.pdf
09:31.43morsingAaargghhh..!!!!
09:31.50mozratfile not found
09:31.55morsing/home/morsing/documents/Henrik_Morsing_CV_newest.pdf
09:31.59morsingF*****!
09:32.06mozratfile still not found!
09:32.17morsingHow do I change to black background in Gnome terminal?!
09:32.36mozratEdit/Current Profile/
09:32.58mozratColours/Built in schemes
09:33.17morsingThanks
09:34.00mozratnp
09:34.01mozratand
09:34.03mozratmorning!
09:34.03morsingHow come Nagios says my host is down and that %71 of the pings are "undetermined"?
09:34.14morsingmozrat: Morning! :-)
09:36.01mozratNot sure, morsing
09:41.39mozratafk
09:50.24Georgeis there a gllug meet this saturday?
09:56.45LeedsGeorge: look at the topic
09:58.04Georgehrmm
10:01.40eye69Morning
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11:26.15morsingHey
11:26.25morsingmorsing@suse:~
11:27.08murbssh morsing@suse "sudo /sbin/iptables -I OUTPUT -j DROP"
11:27.09morsingWhere in KDE do I set X to listen incoming X sessions?
11:27.20murbmorsing: you mean on tcp?
11:27.51murbfind /etc/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep nolisten.tcp
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12:45.16Leedsmmm... takeaway veg'n'noodles
12:48.33wethrinhmm
13:07.29mozrat.... . .-.. .-.. ---   .-.. . . -.. ...
13:09.39wethrinhello mozrat
13:09.44Leedsmmm...
13:20.46mozratI used to be reasonably competent at morse code. Not any more though :(
13:20.50mozratlack of practice
13:22.22z00daxmozrat, why ? HAM ?
13:22.49mozratz00dax: Army
13:23.01z00daxah,
13:44.12morsingmozrat: Should I always use "generic-service"?
13:48.49mozratmorsing: the settings in "generic-service" are normally good enough
13:49.02mozratthe time to change them is when you want to give some services higher priority than others
13:49.13mozratfor example check HTTP every 60 seconds
13:49.18mozratcheck SSH every 5 minutes
13:49.25mozratthen you need 2 templates really
13:49.45mozratwe used "Gold", "Silver" and "Bronze" to class how important a service was
13:50.20mozratbbiab
13:59.52mozratback briefly
14:00.09GeorgeI'M FREEZING
14:03.09mozratwhy?
14:03.14Georgebecause I am
14:04.45LeedsGeorge: turn your aircon off
14:04.58GeorgeI don't have aircon at school
14:05.54murbGeorge: why are you at school on sunday?
14:05.58murbisn't that rather dedicated?
14:06.06GeorgeI live here.
14:06.55Leedsmurb: you'd never noticed that he boarded?
14:07.45murbLeeds: oh his parents love him so much they don't want to live with him, understandable i suppose.
14:08.14Leedsmurb: plus it makes it easier for his boyfriend to get to him
14:11.17Georgemurb: erm, actually, it was my decision to board
14:12.13murbGeorge: So you pay the difference in fees?
14:12.30Georgeno
14:13.30Leedshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4411810.stm
14:24.38murbso a goverment enforced monopoly on pressing CDs?
14:24.53murbseems a bit extreme.
14:26.51LeedsMalaysia isn't exactly a liberal democracy
14:27.07morsingmozrat: Why are the plugins binary? &*^(@+~_()*&*
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14:31.58Leedsevening Dad
14:32.59ProperMadDadAfternoon Leeds
14:36.57Georgeamarok is sooo good
14:38.28mozratmorsing: hmm?
14:38.32mozratsome are Perl I think
14:39.34mozratLeeds, (and other Wikipedia addicts) have a look at http://www.beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/53-Wikipedia-Loop.html
14:41.37Leedsmorsing: just because I currently have 17 tabs open on wikipedia, doesn't make me an addict :-)
14:41.48mozrat:)
14:42.11mozratI actually have morsings name highlighted in my irc client now just in case
14:42.27Leedsargh!
14:42.28Leedssorry
14:42.38mozratLeeds, if you have 17 tabs open already you should find it quite easy to get a Wikipedia Loop then
14:45.02Leedstrue
14:49.01Leeds"I see my ex-girlfriends.  Well, no such much see as... watch..."
14:50.13mozratlol
14:50.30Leedsand boy, can pan eat RAM
14:53.19mozratmorsing: did you start to monitor some other services yet?
14:55.32ProperMadDadanyone any good with debin I have a problem with audio
14:55.50ProperMadDaddebian
14:56.41mozratProperMadDad: I'm off out in a sec but first thing to do is get the output of `lspci' and `lsmod' and post them to pastebin.com
14:57.02ProperMadDadok
14:57.36Leedsalso, which kernel, which audio system, and what hardware
14:57.42mozratso you can see which soundcard your system thinks you have and then which kernel module you should be loading
14:57.46Leedsand if it's there, ls -r /proc/asound
14:58.04Leedssorry, -R
14:58.35mozratand is it just some apps you don't get sound from?
14:58.42ProperMadDadmozrat same as
14:58.56ProperMadDadtotem fine
14:59.01mozratahh
14:59.21ProperMadDadgnome-cd player just crashes and music Player
14:59.48ProperMadDadsay's Could not create audio output
14:59.58LeedsI think intel8x0 is pretty common for onboard stuff
15:00.06mozrataaa4
15:00.10mozratumm
15:00.25mozratProperMadDad: ps aux | grep esd ?
15:00.30LeedsProperMadDad: is there /proc/asound/oss/sndstat ?
15:00.32Leedsugh, esd
15:00.52ProperMadDadsound juicer rips fine
15:02.04ProperMadDadLeeds yes
15:03.18Leedsthen it's just an application problem...
15:04.08ProperMadDadmozrat pa aux | grep esd should that give me an output
15:04.25ProperMadDadps
15:04.27mozratonly if you are running the esd daemon which it looks like you aren't
15:04.49mozratI was going to suggest looking for the esd module for $APPLICATION but that would be wrong
15:07.53ProperMadDadthis is a fresh install last time it said something about /dev/esd ?
15:08.50ProperMadDadfood
15:09.02mozratMmmm, food
15:10.49morsingmozrat: Yes, I've added http, https (which show an odd warning), smtp and ssh,
15:10.53morsingmozrat: Yes, I've added http, https (which show an odd warning), smtp and ssh.
15:11.07ProperMadDadthe said to me would you like a bowl of soup and she gave me what amounts to a thimble full
15:11.07morsingEh?
15:11.14ProperMadDadwife
15:11.47morsingmozrat: Next step is to run a client on the other server that can monitor disk space etc.
15:12.59morsingmozrat: What's a passive check?
15:13.30mozratmorsing: you can monitor disk space without a client AFAIK
15:13.53mozratpassive check..... can't remember
15:15.50Leedsokay, with a gig of RAM on a desktop machine, it shouldn't be thrashing
15:16.51morsingLeeds: Solaris?
15:16.54morsingJava?
15:17.00LeedsLinux, pan
15:17.33Leedstrying to display a newsgroup with almost 600000 messages
15:20.14ProperMadDadLeeds have a go at displaying a newsgroup with 3,000,000 messages
15:21.05Leedsthanks, but no :-)
15:47.34Leedsto give it credit, it got up to using about 1.3gig of virtual memory but it kept going :-)
16:39.17morsingLeeds: How are you?
16:40.00Leedsmorsing: not bad... waiting for this download to complete so I can turn the PC off and go to bed...
16:40.02Leedsyou?
16:40.25morsingMmm... bed
16:40.32morsingI ok but no new job yet :-(
16:42.33Leedshmm...
16:44.39Leedshave you been looking particularly hard?
16:55.10morsingLeeds: medium
17:07.01GeorgeI wholeheartedly recommend amarok to anyone who's looking for a decent music player
17:07.33z00daxwhats wrong with xmms  ?
17:07.47Georgez00dax: AAC
17:07.56wethrinPlugin?
17:08.07Georgeit doesn't load tags correctly
17:08.10z00daxall my music is mp3 / ogg, and there is aac plugins for xmms
17:08.22Georgethere is ONE aac plugin for xmms
17:08.25Georgewhich doesn't load tags properly
17:08.36Georgeand xmms is dog slow when you're searching through 5000 track names
17:08.44z00daxI would not know, dont have a single piece of .aac music
17:08.54Georgeit's .m4a ;)
17:09.05z00daxsee ? I told you - dont know
17:09.16Leedsaac is actually a pretty decent format... and of course mplayer handles it quite happily
17:09.17z00daxI just use the filesystem and 'find'
17:09.42GeorgeLeeds: yeah, mplayer's fine with it
17:21.21Leedsheh... one of the downloads I've got going - a slow one - is a 200-track "best of the 90s" thing... the standard torrent client seems to put all the data in place as it arrives, then rearrange it to the right order later - and mp3 plays fine with a partial file... so if I try to play a particular track of the ones listed as downloaded, what I'm getting is a random collection of bits of 90s songs :-)
17:26.08Leedsanyway, download done and long past bedtime - g'night all
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18:08.12morsingGeorge_!
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19:10.34morsingmozrat?
19:15.54mozratyes!
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19:16.47mozrathi highbury
19:17.38morsingmozrat: Is there a template for monitoring disk space somewhere? Is this done in services.cfg?
19:17.51morsingHi highbury!
19:17.57mozratyes, it's a check you can do
19:21.02morsingWould you still recommend centering it around a service, so diskspace-servers?
19:21.30mozratNo, I would create a group called nix-servers and then create checks that are relevant for all UNIX and Linux servers
19:21.55mozratso you can have that group monitored for load, SSH, uptime, disk, CPU
19:22.11mozratand adding a new UNIX server to that group means it gets monitored for all these things by default
19:22.16morsingOk
19:22.31morsingHow do I specify the flags to the check_disk plugin?
19:23.05mozratOK
19:23.11mozratyou have 3 things
19:23.19mozratthe actual binary plugin
19:23.28mozratwhich is /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_disk
19:23.40mozratyou have the check command definition
19:23.56mozratwhich is /etc/nagios-plugins/config/disk.cfg
19:24.09mozratand you have services.cfg where you assign the check to a group of servers
19:24.16mozratbrb
19:25.51mozratshouldn't need to change those files too much
19:26.13mozratare you monitoring Windows servers?
19:27.22mozratanyway run `/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_disk --help'
19:27.37mozratand you can see if you want to customise your check any more than the Debian packager
19:28.05mozratthe default for the disk check is just warning `-w'
19:28.14mozratcritical `-c'
19:28.17mozratand -p
19:28.19mozratumm
19:28.32mozratpartition
19:28.57mozratso you could use check_disk!10%!5%!/usr
19:33.21morsingNagios is fun :-)
19:33.56mozratvery
19:34.03mozratis this for work or play morsing ?
19:35.47morsingWell, a bit of both. I've through 9 years helped my dad run all the IT stuff at the school where he teach. He's needed some monitoring since it's only a minor part time job for him to run the systems.
19:36.20mozratright
19:43.40morsing~seen eye69
19:43.44iboteye69 is currently on #debian (2d 12h 3m 5s) #gllug (2d 12h 3m 5s).  Has said a total of 6 messages.  Is idling for 9h 42m 4s
19:49.38mozratmorsing: you see some of those plugins are written in Perl
19:51.39morsingYes
19:53.37morsingmozrat: I've told it to run check_disk on hostgroup unix-servers but it's got them mixed up?!
19:53.54mozrathow so?
19:54.08Georgeello
19:54.18morsingThe check for the local server is not available but the one for the remote show the values for the local system
19:54.27morsingGeorge!
19:54.41Georgehi!
19:55.03mozratmorsing: heh
19:55.11mozratdid you completely stop and start nagios?
19:55.33mozratand what if you run the plug manually from /usr/lib/nagios/plugins ?
19:58.40morsingI restarted it now and it show the same data for the two hosts which is sort of understandable
19:59.30mozratwhat do you have in services.cfg for this check?
19:59.53morsing# Service definition
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20:00.12mozratif you see different results from running the plugin manually to the console then you know there is a misconfiguration somewhere
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20:02.34morsingThe check_https plugin is missing
20:03.34mozrathave a look in /etc/nagios-plugins/config/http
20:03.42mozratthere are 3 or 4 checks defined there
20:04.09mozratin services.cfg you would put just check_https
20:05.18mozratit uses the same binary plugin with a different option. Good example of why you have these definition files in /etc/nagios-plugins/config
20:32.00morsingWhy do I get "HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
20:32.10morsingwith check_https?
20:34.16wethrinYour permissions aren't quite right
20:36.04mozratdoes it work in a browser?
20:36.43mozratand is it a site requiring authorisation?
20:37.58morsingHmm... In a browser it warns me about the missing certificate and then proceeds to a forbidden page
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22:02.04armijnevening.
22:02.27wethrinHello, sir.
22:02.36armijnhi wethrin.
22:02.50wethrinGo to more Gllug meetings!
22:03.34armijnI've never been to one...
22:04.17wethrinGo to one, then!
22:04.50armijnthere's one slight problem :)
22:05.01wethrinThey're on Saturdays. Easy.
22:06.48armijnI'd have to travel...
22:07.06wethrinSo would I.
22:07.18armijnwethrin: but you got a place to crash
22:07.32wethrinYeah
22:08.18armijnwethrin: I don't :P
22:08.38wethrinExcuses!
22:08.42wethrinThere are plenty of bridges! :)
22:08.43armijngood ones!
22:08.50armijnover the north sea? :S
22:09.14wethrinnah. We want to keep away from those strange foreign people
22:09.48armijnuh-huh...luckily it works both ways ;)
22:11.38wethrinheh
22:15.15armijnLinuxWorld NL this Wednesday and Thursday
22:15.21wethrinYay?
22:15.24armijnmeh
22:15.31armijnit's not that big
22:15.50armijnactually, if I wouldn't have to be there, I wouldn't go
22:16.33armijnthe seminar program isn't that exciting
22:17.11wethrinAhh
22:17.13wethrinokay
22:27.12armijnhm, UKUUG LISA conference...
22:27.36wethrinIn Durham. YHes.
22:28.13armijnhm, closing date 23rd of december
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22:31.02wethrinmm
22:36.08highburywhoops. Just discovered I was running out of space in my root partition, a 2Gb kdeprint file in /tmp !
22:36.20armijnnice
22:36.51highbury-rw-are--are--   1 steve steve 2041058330 Nov  2 23:11 /tmp/kde-steve/kdeprint_2VPeDTTS
22:36.53wethrind'oh!
22:37.40Blissexhighbury: in a somewhat related point, I usually prefer '/tmp' to be a 'tmpfs' filesystem of a few hundred MB...
22:38.54wethrinBlissex: Then it couldn't fit a 2GB kdeprint job :)
22:39.48highburyfortunately it never printed either!
22:40.27wethrin:)
22:41.50highburyhmmm, interesting thought, it would be cool, if one could have just the most recent /tmp files cached into memory, after a while they migrate to disk.
22:43.50armijnnot if those files need to be there, even after a reboot
22:44.10armijnwell, maybe they should not be put in /tmp then
22:44.19highburythen they should have been put in /var/tmp
22:44.31armijnI cam across a pretty cool thing that Gigabyte put on the market
22:44.33armijncalled i-RAM
22:44.53armijnsome board, in which you can put DDR2 RAM, it has a battery and SATA interface
22:45.08Blissexarmijn: the '/tmp' files are more or less guaranteed not to be needed after reboot... And indeed I use '/var/tmp' informally for stuff I want to keep for a while.
22:45.09armijncould be useful
22:45.43highburyI use ~/tmp
22:46.15BlissexAh I use ~/tmp' for even less temporary stuff than in '/var/tmp' :-)
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23:48.14mozratwoo Leeds
23:48.29mozratG'morning
23:50.39Leedsmorning!
23:52.29highburymorning
23:53.07highburyoh! no! I feel tired because I'm just going to bed, not just getting out of it!
23:54.25Leedsyeah... think yourself lucky - it's *Monday Morning* here
23:57.53Leeds"YOU can tell that you're having a bad week in politics when your smartest move is to ask your own nominee to the Supreme Court to withdraw her name. You can tell that you're having a really bad week when the best news is that only one of your senior aides has been indicted."

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