| 00:01.11 | JAV | they had to stop to clean |
| 00:04.03 | Leeds | sol |
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| 07:16.00 | Leeds | CSS can do some cute stuff - like make page elements vanish when you're printing rather than displaying on screen |
| 07:28.55 | mozrat | moin |
| 07:36.09 | Leeds | hi |
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| 07:55.45 | mozrat | morsing: ! |
| 07:56.34 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 07:56.44 | morsing | Do you know anything about head light bulbs? |
| 07:57.28 | mozrat | not a lot |
| 07:57.41 | morsing | Are 80/100w bulbs illegal? |
| 08:00.55 | mozrat | Dunno - google doesn't really tell me anything either |
| 08:01.08 | mozrat | have you tried asking in #carheadlights ? |
| 08:01.33 | morsing | mozrat: #carheadlights ? |
| 08:01.44 | mozrat | yeah, on Freenode |
| 08:01.51 | morsing | Well, just found this: |
| 08:01.53 | morsing | http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=12920 |
| 08:03.16 | mozrat | hmm - not legal then |
| 08:03.39 | morsing | No :-( |
| 08:04.03 | morsing | Oddd because the previous owner was a Volvo mechanic at a dealership. |
| 08:04.14 | morsing | He should have been aware of this |
| 08:04.33 | morsing | Anyway - it passed it's MOT / VOSA with them in! |
| 08:04.56 | mozrat | hmm |
| 08:13.37 | mozrat | going to work |
| 08:13.48 | Leeds | are you sure it didn't pass because the guy was a mechanic? |
| 08:14.52 | morsing | Leeds: Which guy? You mean the inspection guy was incompetent because he was a mechanic? |
| 08:15.24 | Leeds | no, I mean that either he changed the bulbs over for the MOT, or his mate did the inspection |
| 08:15.29 | morsing | They actually seem reasonably "intelligent" where I have my MOT done |
| 08:16.00 | morsing | Leeds: Eh?!? I drove down to the MOT place with the bulbs in the car. No-one swapped anything over! |
| 08:18.49 | Leeds | oh, you mean it passed since you owned it... okay |
| 08:19.19 | morsing | Leeds: I've had the car for a year and a half. Passed it's second MOT two weeks ago with these bulbs. |
| 08:20.34 | Leeds | I thought you meant you'd recently procured it and you were worried it was illegal |
| 08:24.04 | morsing | murb: Decades I'm sure |
| 08:24.18 | George | I'm been told I look like a "blinkin' dulux dog" |
| 08:24.20 | George | wtf is that? |
| 08:24.25 | morsing | Leeds: No - one of the bulbs went yesterday so I went to halfords to get new ones. |
| 08:24.42 | George | hrmm, google told me |
| 08:24.44 | morsing | All their 80/100w bulbs said "Only for off road use" on them |
| 08:26.00 | murb | morsing: what are you supposed to have? |
| 08:26.27 | murb | morsing: maybe you should install radar for those foggy mornings? |
| 08:26.58 | morsing | murb: 55/60w is the standard wattage which is apparently the highest legal rating |
| 08:27.14 | morsing | murb: Like the new BMWs have? |
| 08:34.25 | murb | keine Ahnung. |
| 08:35.04 | morsing | murb: Well, new BMWs have radar and a screen that shows any object around the car. You can drive it with blacked out windows. |
| 08:35.12 | morsing | Being german you should know this! |
| 08:36.03 | murb | morsing: I don't live in Bavaria and i'm not german. |
| 08:36.24 | morsing | murb: You're semi-german. How's married life btw? |
| 08:36.35 | murb | morsing: I'm not married. |
| 08:36.42 | murb | or semi-german either. |
| 08:36.59 | morsing | And you're about to tell me you're not married right ;-D |
| 08:37.25 | Leeds | semi married? |
| 09:14.41 | eye69 | *yawn* |
| 09:14.44 | eye69 | Morning folks... |
| 09:18.00 | Leeds | ah, that is a good trick... |
| 09:18.36 | Leeds | searching/regexing data as I pull it from the database for something which looks like a fedex shipping number, and linking it straight to their tracking page :-) |
| 09:20.00 | Leeds | and for my next trick - dynamically-generated pdf! |
| 09:30.27 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 10:08.05 | morsing | rhowe! |
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| 10:26.41 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:27.08 | morsing | Sorry, I'm a bit slow today :-D |
| 10:28.16 | Leeds | mozring! |
| 10:30.13 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 10:30.21 | morsing | mozring? |
| 10:32.56 | Leeds | morsrat? |
| 10:36.10 | highbury | hey guys |
| 10:39.15 | Leeds | evening highbury |
| 10:42.46 | Cope | good day |
| 10:47.44 | highbury | disappointed by OpenOffice Calc - it allows you to put regular expressions in Find but you can't in replace, e.g. "^(.*) says hello" to "Hello says \1" |
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| 10:55.56 | morsing | lanky! |
| 10:56.21 | lanky | morsing: yes? |
| 10:56.39 | lanky | it's a fair description |
| 10:56.43 | lanky | :) |
| 10:57.58 | Leeds | hometime |
| 11:00.30 | Cope | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42616 |
| 11:00.33 | Cope | hehe |
| 11:05.13 | new2unix | hi folks. Any Mac heads on today? |
| 11:05.38 | highbury | try anyway new2unix |
| 11:07.14 | new2unix | Made a change to edu.mit.Kerberos Require Server to recognise change without restarting Server. |
| 11:07.37 | new2unix | What service needs a -HUP? smbd/nmbd? |
| 11:11.00 | new2unix | s#edu.mit.Kerberos#/Library/Preferences/edu.mit.Kerberos on an Xserve Mac OSX 10.3.9 |
| 11:15.38 | new2unix | Nevermind. found what i was looking for... |
| 11:17.48 | new2unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.07 | new2unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.55 | new2unix | stop before start, of course. There doesnt seem to be a restart option. could always stitch one together though. |
| 11:21.20 | highbury | you use afp!? |
| 11:22.13 | new2unix | yes. as well as smb. |
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| 11:31.19 | mikejw | lo |
| 11:32.38 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 11:32.52 | mikejw | morsing: howdy |
| 11:40.58 | Cope | who has displayed he has absolutely no understadning at all of how redhat clustersuite works. |
| 11:43.09 | morsing | Mmm... debian |
| 11:45.30 | Cope | mmmm morsing |
| 11:46.19 | kbsingh | Cope, on EL3 or EL4 ? |
| 11:46.25 | Cope | 3 dude |
| 11:46.30 | Cope | gfs 6 |
| 11:46.55 | kbsingh | right :) |
| 11:47.00 | Cope | i shouldn't really rise to him - should just do as everyone else and divert his emails to /dev/null |
| 11:47.16 | Cope | the annoying thing is that sometimes he says something genuinely interesting |
| 11:47.22 | kbsingh | where is this conversation going on ? the gllug mail list ? |
| 11:47.26 | Cope | yeah |
| 11:48.06 | kbsingh | I am 874 undread on gllug ml :( need to catch up sometime soon |
| 11:48.14 | kbsingh | unread even |
| 11:48.36 | Cope | the rest of the time he is verbose, waffly, over-bearing, pedantic, patronising, and vague |
| 11:49.14 | Cope | Bloc Party are cool. |
| 11:49.16 | kbsingh | he'd make a half decent sales guy |
| 11:49.34 | mikejw | Cope: yeah man |
| 11:49.45 | murb | kbsingh: promising things that can't be done etc? |
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| 11:56.56 | kbsingh | no sure about MultiPath for qla drivers, be worth a try |
| 11:57.39 | kbsingh | murb, RH wont support the interface or issues created by the third party drivers - but the rest of the system is supported |
| 11:57.47 | Cope | murb: no its not... so say RH |
| 11:57.59 | Cope | murb: as kb says |
| 11:59.45 | kbsingh | something funny : a friend is traveling to India ( New Delhi ) next week, and was having issues getting hotel bookings for the dates he wanted |
| 12:00.48 | kbsingh | <-- was talking to someone at dell support for a wierd display issue on a laptop |
| 12:01.26 | kbsingh | support guy - based in new delhi. So I just asked him - do me a favour |
| 12:01.47 | kbsingh | just got email from guy@dell with booking details for hotel in delhi :) |
| 12:02.11 | kbsingh | 40% discount on standard tariff too.. |
| 12:02.25 | kbsingh | laptop, however, needs to go 'back to base' for fixing |
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| 12:06.37 | Cope | hello Leeds |
| 12:07.59 | Leeds | hi Cope |
| 12:15.58 | mikejw | hey Leeds |
| 12:16.32 | Leeds | evening mikejw |
| 12:16.40 | mikejw | :) |
| 12:19.50 | mikejw | can samba control shares that aren't local to it? |
| 12:20.20 | mikejw | hmmm |
| 12:22.59 | Leeds | Cope: one gets the impression you are not entirely in the mood for a friendly chat with Peter |
| 12:24.10 | Cope | its a pity, because much of what he says is very useful - its just the rest of the rubbish and his condescending tone that is the problem. |
| 12:26.41 | Cope | however, I feel silly for rising to the bait in retrospect |
| 12:28.02 | murb | oh henry has been stupid enough to try and use a soap on a rope for adsl! |
| 12:29.46 | murb | Cope: there is so much miss information in your latest thread! |
| 12:29.54 | Leeds | the slightly worrying thing about Henry is that he seems to be a gung-ho evangelist - so he's responsible for people's introduction to Linux |
| 12:32.17 | murb | Cope: /dev/raw devices marked Obsolete atleast in 2.6.recent. |
| 12:32.21 | murb | are |
| 12:33.41 | murb | oh he already said that... |
| 12:34.31 | murb | and regrets it. |
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| 12:38.14 | George | blehblehbleh |
| 12:38.58 | Cope | murb: from me or peter? |
| 12:47.23 | wethrin | Peter likes writing rather verbose emails |
| 12:47.32 | Cope | he does |
| 12:47.46 | Cope | oh Grandi by a country mile. |
| 12:48.25 | Cope | or Hi Peter |
| 12:48.34 | murb | Cope: nearly everyone who dared to join that thread! |
| 12:48.58 | wethrin | yeah |
| 12:49.18 | Cope | murb: a horrid thread |
| 12:49.22 | murb | Cope: so having fun with GFS? |
| 12:49.34 | Cope | murb: its... exciting |
| 12:49.38 | murb | I looked at it and decided to use OCFS2 |
| 12:49.44 | murb | simplicity++ |
| 12:49.47 | Cope | indeed |
| 12:50.08 | Cope | incidentally I have a horrible feeling Peter may be right about oracle quorum data |
| 12:50.51 | murb | Cope: I've seen howtos using OCFS/2 with Oracle. |
| 12:50.56 | murb | I wonder if Oracle support it. |
| 12:51.04 | murb | given that it is an Oracle product etc. |
| 12:51.26 | murb | hmm my |
| 12:51.53 | murb | ... |
| 13:02.52 | morsing | moo |
| 13:03.12 | murb | baa |
| 13:04.14 | Cope | *sigh* |
| 13:05.50 | murb | I want to kill webct |
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| 14:27.04 | mozrat | Afternoon |
| 14:29.17 | JAV | afternoon |
| 14:29.19 | boudiccas | Is it possible to have tabs in emacs like in firefox please? |
| 14:32.58 | boudiccas | all gone quiet now :) |
| 14:37.36 | highbury | you should run emacs in all its ungui glory, therefore tabs shouldn't exist ;) |
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| 14:38.32 | togster | hi al |
| 14:38.35 | mozrat | Hey |
| 14:38.48 | highbury | in fact not even vim has tabs |
| 14:39.47 | mozrat | highbury: It has 2 virtual screens though - if that is the right word for it |
| 14:41.33 | highbury | you can split the screen horizontally and vertically, but its pretty curses-like |
| 14:42.38 | boudiccas | I've asked the same question in #emacs and they reckon xemacs has the ability to have tabs, so I'm just dowlaoding it to see |
| 14:44.57 | Erwin | both emacs and xemacs have multiple buffers |
| 14:45.11 | Erwin | xemacs shows them as tabs which is of limited usefulness IMHO, I generally have 200+ buffers open |
| 14:45.50 | boudiccas | Erwin; sheesh! 200! |
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| 15:03.21 | mozrat | hey LeedsHK |
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| 15:26.17 | mozrat | hello lanky |
| 15:28.32 | morsing | In vi how do I jump to next white space? |
| 15:32.33 | morsing | Hello? |
| 15:33.48 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 15:33.49 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:34.24 | wethrin | Yes? |
| 15:34.29 | wethrin | I don't know vi that well |
| 15:40.49 | morsing | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/eserver/v1r3s/index.jsp?topic=/ipha1/recoverpartitiondata.htm |
| 15:42.28 | wethrin | hm? |
| 15:43.47 | morsing | hm? |
| 15:43.51 | morsing | Hm what? |
| 15:49.59 | wethrin | hm the URL - was that for me? |
| 15:50.57 | morsing | wethrin: That URL was of general interest |
| 15:52.02 | wethrin | AHHH |
| 15:52.17 | mikejw | lol |
| 16:01.55 | morsing | mikejw: What does the j stand for? |
| 16:02.14 | mikejw | jenius |
| 16:02.21 | morsing | :-) |
| 16:02.35 | mikejw | or james |
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| 16:09.18 | morsing | ldnblk! |
| 16:09.54 | ldnblk | morsing! |
| 16:22.38 | mikejw | holy god I think I've finished my coursework - now I have to fight for a printer |
| 16:23.44 | ldnblk | make sure you got your gum shield in and keep your hands up !!! |
| 16:23.58 | mikejw | ok :) |
| 16:24.16 | mikejw | I wouldn't want to look stupid after all :P |
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| 16:30.55 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 16:31.15 | morsing | Mmm... Corrupt profile data! |
| 16:35.15 | morsing | Does anyone know how to recover partition data on a p570 without powering it up in partition standby? |
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| 16:58.39 | highbury | morsing: w |
| 17:04.36 | morsing | w? |
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| 17:15.11 | wethrin | foo |
| 17:17.57 | morsing | bar |
| 17:18.19 | wethrin | Good idea! |
| 17:20.05 | morsing | beer |
| 17:20.08 | morsing | mushrooms |
| 17:38.56 | wethrin | Cold? |
| 17:42.10 | Cope | I've been fluey all week... but got much worse suddenly ths afternoon |
| 17:43.02 | wethrin | :-( |
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| 18:06.19 | wethrin | What a good idea |
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| 18:19.06 | murb | why? |
| 18:20.16 | wethrin | 17:42 <Cope> I've been fluey all week... but got much worse suddenly ths afternoon |
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| 19:28.44 | George | I've just had the biggest fryup |
| 19:29.52 | murb | wo;; upi ex[;pde sppm |
| 19:59.42 | wethrin | George: You fat bastard |
| 19:59.54 | George | wethrin: 10 rashers of bacon, 5 eggs, 8 slices of bread |
| 20:00.09 | George | currently lying incapacitated on my bed |
| 20:00.15 | wethrin | FAT BASTARD |
| 20:00.26 | George | haha |
| 20:01.40 | wethrin | :) |
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| 20:45.48 | mozrat | George == Mr Creosote |
| 20:46.05 | George | what's mr creosote? |
| 20:46.19 | SlayerXP | "just one more kde application?" |
| 20:46.25 | SlayerXP | eeet is wafer-theeeen |
| 20:46.54 | mozrat | George: you uneducated oaf |
| 20:47.05 | George | mozrat: bastard |
| 20:47.26 | SlayerXP | mozrat: it's not his fault. |
| 20:47.35 | mozrat | SlayerXP: big boned? |
| 20:47.40 | SlayerXP | no-one told his parents that cousins shouldn't do that |
| 20:47.45 | mozrat | lol! |
| 20:49.01 | SlayerXP | given that the earth is round, that means they came from the same house |
| 20:49.11 | mozrat | I really don't want to tell Henry Gilbert that a) his post about Helix player is about a 6 week old vulnerability or b) that he has contradicted his "Linux will never suffer a virus" waffle |
| 20:49.26 | SlayerXP | mozrat: would you like me to? |
| 20:49.30 | wethrin | Oh, please point out the second one |
| 20:49.40 | mozrat | I imagine inserting some malicious code into a media file would be quite trivial |
| 20:49.47 | wethrin | TBH, it's the first I heard about the Helix vulnerability. Then again, I don't use Helix, so I'm not bothered |
| 20:49.52 | George | how about we just stuff a pumpkin up his arse |
| 20:49.56 | mozrat | Insert it into a RMS or Linus talk and release it on all the LUG lists |
| 20:50.13 | mozrat | SlayerXP: If you wish - I don't want to labour the point |
| 20:50.21 | mozrat | oh hang on |
| 20:50.25 | mozrat | "I dare you"! |
| 20:50.57 | SlayerXP | url for the spolit? |
| 20:51.42 | SlayerXP | found it, september. |
| 20:54.44 | mozrat | I also didn't get the rebooting remote desktops bit. Is this a remote root vulnerability? |
| 20:55.18 | SlayerXP | "could be exploited by remote attackers" |
| 20:55.26 | SlayerXP | i would guess not root |
| 20:56.09 | mozrat | yes. You need root to reboot a machine don't you? |
| 20:56.23 | mozrat | I know gdm can do it graphically |
| 20:56.27 | SlayerXP | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STOAT-SKULL-biology-study-art-craft-animal-goth_W0QQitemZ7196098350QQcategoryZ67212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:56.40 | SlayerXP | mozrat: It Depends[tm] |
| 20:57.45 | mozrat | can you sell dead animals on eBay? |
| 20:57.59 | SlayerXP | it seems so |
| 20:58.19 | SlayerXP | i've sold live ones |
| 20:58.20 | mozrat | sm@cmt02smorris01:~$ reboot |
| 20:58.20 | mozrat | reboot: must be superuser. |
| 20:58.20 | mozrat | sm@cmt02smorris01:~$ init 6 |
| 20:58.21 | mozrat | init: must be superuser. |
| 20:58.33 | mozrat | as soon as I get this command right as a non-root user I'm off IRC :) |
| 20:58.49 | wethrin | sudo init 6 |
| 20:59.17 | mozrat | as a non-root user - if I could own your machine through helix |
| 20:59.34 | mozrat | looks like gdm-signal --halt is the one |
| 20:59.37 | mozrat | here we go |
| 21:00.01 | mozrat | still here! |
| 21:00.17 | mozrat | the command didn't give any feedback, but also didn't reboot me |
| 21:00.53 | mozrat | The Cope vs Blissex thread is a bit tetchy |
| 21:02.52 | wethrin | hm? |
| 21:03.41 | mozrat | "Raw Partitions" |
| 21:04.11 | mozrat | ibot seen Cope |
| 21:04.16 | ibot | cope is currently on #debian #gllug #openzaurus. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 3h 22m 6s |
| 21:04.16 | wethrin | Blissex.....? |
| 21:04.25 | mozrat | Blissex in here sometimes |
| 21:04.30 | wethrin | Yes. Give a real name |
| 21:04.36 | mozrat | Peter Grandi? |
| 21:04.48 | wethrin | Ahhh......blissex is Grandi? I didn't know that |
| 21:04.52 | mozrat | aye |
| 21:10.22 | mozrat | George: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Creosote |
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| 21:34.54 | resuDaed | evening all |
| 21:36.54 | wethrin | heyyyyyup |
| 21:38.16 | stephanb | sooooooo quiet |
| 21:38.22 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 21:38.27 | mozrat | SSsssh, sleeping |
| 21:38.36 | resuDaed | sorry, I am on phone to gf |
| 21:40.48 | JAV | good evening! |
| 21:45.14 | mozrat | JAV!! |
| 21:45.17 | mozrat | how are you sir |
| 21:46.21 | JAV | fine thanks, and you? |
| 21:47.35 | mozrat | Good thanks |
| 21:47.39 | mozrat | playing with SUSE 10 |
| 21:48.01 | JAV | I'm trying to summarize ZFS virtues to a friend, he is really lazy |
| 21:49.41 | *** join/#gllug zx80user (n=adrian@81.1.87.105) |
| 21:49.54 | mozrat | hello zx80user |
| 21:51.32 | resuDaed | why can't my computer compile, rip and be responsive at the same time :-( |
| 21:53.21 | wethrin | resuDaed: Because you're using IDE? |
| 21:54.05 | wethrin | Hm. Anyone feeling generous and want to buy a poor student one of http://secure.dnuk.com/systems/rs1040-64.php ? |
| 21:55.47 | zx80user | mozrat yo! |
| 21:56.12 | mozrat | hey! |
| 21:56.38 | mozrat | I'll buy you a "Page not found" if you like |
| 21:56.48 | zx80user | indeed I saw that too |
| 21:56.58 | JAV | mozrat: but a cheap one |
| 21:57.09 | zx80user | But I presume wethrin really wants a quad opteron box |
| 21:57.13 | mozrat | JAV, of course! One with only a single button |
| 21:57.22 | wethrin | zx80user: If you're offering :) |
| 21:57.47 | zx80user | wethrin I wish |
| 21:58.01 | wethrin | Hm. https://secure.dnuk.com/systems/rs1040-64.php |
| 21:58.17 | highbury | mozrat: how you finding suse10. it seems to be working nicely for me |
| 21:59.27 | mozrat | highbury: I have it dual booting on my laptop, and we are moving towards it as a server OS as well |
| 21:59.34 | mozrat | but I need to get used to it |
| 22:08.26 | *** join/#gllug Barrera (n=pablo@cpc1-lewi6-3-0-cust125.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:08.36 | mozrat | hello Barrera |
| 22:11.21 | Barrera | hi |
| 22:11.33 | Barrera | i'm new arround here |
| 22:12.46 | mozrat | welcome! |
| 22:12.59 | mozrat | Are you on the GLLUG mailing list? |
| 22:13.17 | Barrera | yes i'm |
| 22:13.33 | mozrat | OOh, you sent the email saying "hello"? |
| 22:13.40 | Barrera | i join a couple of weeks ago |
| 22:13.41 | Barrera | yes |
| 22:13.56 | Barrera | someone talked me about this channel |
| 22:14.12 | mozrat | Pablo Barrera Gonzalez! |
| 22:14.17 | mozrat | hello |
| 22:14.39 | Barrera | hi |
| 22:14.47 | Barrera | yes that's my name |
| 22:14.54 | Barrera | so |
| 22:14.57 | mozrat | Are you living in London now? |
| 22:15.11 | Barrera | what kind of thing do you do in gllug? |
| 22:15.19 | Barrera | yes, I'm here right now, |
| 22:15.26 | Barrera | in lewisham |
| 22:15.49 | mozrat | Barrera: There are technical meetings and Beer meetings |
| 22:16.24 | Barrera | it's a good way to start |
| 22:17.13 | mozrat | highbury: how can I search for packages with yast2? ( in a terminal window, no GUI, and also not going into the curses interface_ |
| 22:17.16 | mozrat | ) |
| 22:18.54 | JAV | hola pablo :D |
| 22:20.15 | Barrera | JAV:hola Jav |
| 22:24.03 | highbury | mozrat: searching to install or update? |
| 22:25.04 | mozrat | to install |
| 22:26.39 | highbury | who's arranging it? |
| 22:26.47 | wethrin | I don't know. Someone should |
| 22:27.03 | wethrin | I'd propose a nice pub followed by food at a central London location |
| 22:27.14 | highbury | someone will have to volunteer to help organise it |
| 22:27.39 | wethrin | So, highbury, when are you free between the 27th and 30th December? |
| 22:29.37 | highbury | I don't know yet, wethrin :o) |
| 22:30.55 | wethrin | Hum |
| 22:32.00 | highbury | I probably should be free, but I may have started new job, so things (despite Seasonal thingies) might be hectic |
| 22:32.35 | wethrin | Then it's good to get an evening off! |
| 22:33.00 | highbury | mozrat: the following is not quite what you wanted but its handy to get logged by ibot http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/trench/16345.html |
| 22:33.12 | mozrat | thanks |
| 22:33.31 | mozrat | highbury: I was halfway through writing a linkbot for #gllug |
| 22:33.40 | mozrat | it was going to write a blog on all the links posted here |
| 22:33.44 | mozrat | for RSS etc |
| 22:34.57 | mozrat | highbury: thats nearly what I was after :) |
| 22:44.59 | highbury | you mean you want to type a command to return a list of available packages or what? Of course SUSE mostly uses rpm to do actual installation |
| 22:45.17 | highbury | apt and yum are also available with suse10 |
| 22:45.32 | highbury | http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178/42/ |
| 22:45.49 | highbury | is helpful if your running plain opensuse 10 |
| 22:46.03 | mozrat | highbury: yeah - so I know there are multiple packages for Nagios ( which is tonights exercise ) how can I see all of the different packages |
| 22:46.21 | mozrat | in fact, for some reason the repository I added hasn't "taken" |
| 22:48.03 | highbury | are you using official repositories? |
| 22:48.12 | mozrat | yes - from the page on opensuse.org |
| 22:48.47 | mozrat | http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#Installation_sources_for_a_complete_SUSE_experience |
| 22:49.33 | highbury | try one of the mirrors they're usually a lot faster, e.g http://ftp.leo.org/mirrors/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source |
| 22:49.40 | mozrat | k |
| 22:50.03 | highbury | leo is always faster than most sites, even uk ones |
| 22:53.33 | mozrat | just refreshing my package list now |
| 22:53.54 | mozrat | no, still don't have nagios in my package list |
| 22:55.38 | mozrat | are all the packages mentioned on the novell.com site for SUSE10 in the opensuse distro? |
| 22:55.44 | mozrat | they are one and the same right? |
| 22:56.56 | highbury | opensuse != novell suse |
| 22:57.15 | highbury | the Novell version has many extra packages |
| 22:57.16 | mozrat | opensuse10 != novell suse10 ? |
| 22:57.18 | mozrat | ahh |
| 22:57.20 | mozrat | bugger |
| 22:57.46 | mozrat | but free packages would be in both surely |
| 22:58.03 | mozrat | in fact, I can see the nagios packages on a opensuse.org mirror that I want |
| 22:58.09 | mozrat | they just aren't in yast2 |
| 22:58.30 | highbury | check out http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.0 for unofficial packages |
| 22:58.52 | mozrat | *blush* |
| 22:59.00 | mozrat | it defaults to "Filter: development" |
| 22:59.06 | highbury | hang on! |
| 22:59.33 | highbury | I've just run up yast and looked and I see loads of Nagios packages |
| 22:59.47 | mozrat | yes, for some reason I have a filter on which packages I see |
| 22:59.59 | mozrat | so let me try `yast2 -i nagios' |
| 23:00.10 | highbury | version 1.2-79 |
| 23:00.31 | mozrat | no, doesn't find it with -i |
| 23:01.35 | highbury | sorry, why can't you at least run the curses version of yast? |
| 23:02.00 | mozrat | I am at the moment |
| 23:02.14 | mozrat | I just wondered if that would work |
| 23:02.18 | mozrat | I'm in curses now |
| 23:03.16 | mozrat | so in the curses yast, in Software Management I have filter. Can I not just see all categories |
| 23:05.10 | zx80user | any suse users here tell me where the network configuration applet can be found on the system menus - I am trying to help someone else set up their machine and I have no clue about suse |
| 23:05.26 | mozrat | zx80user: It's in YAST |
| 23:05.35 | mozrat | GNome or KDE? |
| 23:06.20 | zx80user | mozrat dunno, and doubt if my correspondent does either - it's poor diana who, I think, has been scared off the list |
| 23:06.28 | mozrat | Oh dear |
| 23:06.34 | mozrat | she shouldn't be scared:) |
| 23:06.48 | mozrat | zx80user: who are you on the mailing list? |
| 23:06.54 | resuDaed | For me on gnome (not using SuSE) it is under System>Administration>Networking |
| 23:07.01 | zx80user | she might have asked some naive questions but she didnb't seserve all the "she is a troll" stuff |
| 23:07.07 | mozrat | zx80user: I agree |
| 23:07.15 | mozrat | the guy did apologise to her |
| 23:07.21 | mozrat | tell her to get herself on IRC |
| 23:07.30 | zx80user | mozrat I have :) |
| 23:07.50 | z00dax | $TZ Greetings |
| 23:08.02 | mozrat | zx80user:she needs to find YasT |
| 23:08.06 | mozrat | hey z00dax !! |
| 23:08.28 | Barrera | any programmer around here? |
| 23:08.30 | z00dax | hey mozrat, talking all SuSeSpEaK already :) |
| 23:08.41 | mozrat | z00dax: unfortunately |
| 23:08.54 | mozrat | z00dax: First server went in today |
| 23:08.59 | zx80user | mozrat have just emailed her to that effect |
| 23:09.04 | mozrat | I'm idly poking it now |
| 23:09.13 | z00dax | mozrat, so are you going OpenSuSE or SLES ? |
| 23:09.22 | mozrat | z00dax: SLES for the customers we support |
| 23:09.45 | z00dax | *hint* there is a SLES clone in the making - no not me, not any of us CentOS lot - but 'insiders' are involved aparently |
| 23:09.49 | mozrat | We support stuff for our clients and we are making them go "enterprise" |
| 23:10.00 | highbury | mozrat: you should be able to drive the curses version of yast with all the functionality of the gui, just a bit clunkier |
| 23:10.31 | mozrat | z00dax: My bosses were interested in CentOS but they want the "protection" that they *think* they get with a officially supported version |
| 23:10.35 | mozrat | I did argue |
| 23:10.47 | mozrat | highbury: I'm going to reboot into my laptop SUSE now |
| 23:10.49 | mozrat | brb |
| 23:13.21 | mozrat | back |
| 23:15.12 | z00dax | humm... BSD user |
| 23:16.49 | wethrin | what what? |
| 23:25.12 | mozrat | highbury: having added a repo is there anything else to do to use it? |
| 23:25.22 | mozrat | I have it set to refresh which it did |
| 23:25.31 | mozrat | and I can see http://ftp.leo.org/mirrors/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source/suse/i586/nagios-1.2-79.i586.rpm through a browser |
| 23:25.39 | mozrat | but I canne install it through yast |
| 23:26.55 | highbury | it should have status "on" and refresh "on" |
| 23:27.02 | mozrat | yep - both |
| 23:27.15 | highbury | as should your instalation media |
| 23:27.43 | mozrat | this is on my laptop now - using GUI yast and both leo.org repos |
| 23:27.54 | mozrat | ahh, no. I don't have the original CD source there now |
| 23:28.05 | highbury | you still need that listed |
| 23:28.09 | mozrat | ok |
| 23:28.33 | highbury | because I believe it actually was on them in the first place |
| 23:28.56 | mozrat | bah, it's at work |
| 23:29.01 | highbury | I have to disappear for an hour, will be back later, if you still need a hand |
| 23:29.11 | mozrat | sure, thanks for your help so far |
| 23:30.05 | highbury | you may be able to set the original source media to leo, but you have to run a "System Update" to reorganise all the dependency trees |
| 23:30.21 | mozrat | right |
| 23:30.47 | highbury | good luck |
| 23:32.34 | Barrera | bye |
| 23:32.39 | mozrat | bye |
| 23:32.50 | z00dax | btw, there is a yum port to SuSE ... :) |
| 23:33.17 | mozrat | z00dax: yeah, I want to stay within the official way of doing things |
| 23:33.50 | mozrat | Is yum part of the main SUSE distribution? |
| 23:34.26 | z00dax | it might be a part of opensuse, will definitely not be in SLES |
| 23:34.54 | mozrat | yeah, I want to be able to hand it over as a "vanilla" system. Not start using add-ons |
| 23:35.19 | mozrat | hmm was Vanilla ever a Red Hat name for a vesion? |
| 23:35.25 | mozrat | Valhalla? |
| 23:35.29 | z00dax | RH7.3 |
| 23:35.40 | z00dax | some argue, the best RH ever |
| 23:35.43 | mozrat | MMmm I liked Red Hat 7.3 |
| 23:35.46 | mozrat | heh |
| 23:36.00 | mozrat | yes, I might agree with that. There is still a lot of it around |
| 23:36.11 | z00dax | :) me too - still run it on one machine - nowhere near the internet though |
| 23:36.19 | z00dax | I also have a RH 5 machine |
| 23:36.34 | z00dax | 600+ days of uptime on that |
| 23:36.34 | mozrat | wow - I found a 6.0 and a 6.2 last month |
| 23:36.38 | mozrat | nice |
| 23:36.57 | z00dax | but everything else within reach runs EL4 now :) |
| 23:38.02 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:38.26 | stephanb | mozrat: I still have a RH6.2 box but i chucked the cds away :-( |
| 23:38.50 | z00dax | think you can still download iso's for that... |
| 23:39.00 | mozrat | you can I think |
| 23:39.10 | mozrat | they have a big mirror on their FTP server with old versions |
| 23:39.25 | z00dax | think you can go back to RH4.something |
| 23:40.08 | stephanb | then what? you need a 386 or a 286 to run the older versions ? |
| 23:40.35 | mozrat | GLLUG should have a retro-install fest |
| 23:40.47 | mozrat | in fact that would be cool |
| 23:40.49 | z00dax | it should run on most modern machines, just dont expect things like sound cards / usb / firewire / network cards to work |
| 23:40.49 | stephanb | or is any P4 / Xeon backwards compatible with 286 instruction set ? |
| 23:41.23 | wethrin | stephanb: Yes |
| 23:41.25 | z00dax | mozrat, yeah that would be fun |
| 23:41.28 | stephanb | mozrat: retro as in retro-os or retro-cpus ? |
| 23:42.18 | stephanb | with *real* IBM keyboards that clicked |
| 23:42.18 | mozrat | stephanb: I was thinking retro os |
| 23:42.25 | mozrat | but again, either would be very cool |
| 23:45.10 | z00dax | is running emulators fair game ? |
| 23:45.20 | z00dax | ie. running the retro-OS in an emulator ? |
| 23:46.00 | mozrat | nah! gotta be 1998 software on proper hardware |
| 23:46.03 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:46.47 | stephanb | here is *the* perfect computer science PhD : |
| 23:46.59 | stephanb | 1. write an emulater for the differential engine |
| 23:47.27 | stephanb | 2. find out how much of an OS could run on it |
| 23:48.35 | stephanb | hmmm |
| 23:48.50 | stephanb | on those words, time 4 bed |=----| :-) |
| 23:50.20 | stephanb | bye everybody ! |
| 23:50.33 | mozrat | bye |
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| 23:56.49 | mozrat | goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning |
| 23:59.40 | wethrin | shhhh |