| 00:00.16 | George | anyway, bedtime |
| 00:00.18 | George | g'night |
| 00:03.38 | highbury | nn |
| 00:03.59 | AngelChild | I can't believe that the internet prioritises my housemate's casual web browsing over a dedicated connection to a game server |
| 00:04.12 | AngelChild | such that it spikes to 900 every time he clicks on a link |
| 00:08.43 | z00dax | AngelChild, source / destination based policy routing on the gateway - lock the other housemate down to max of 5kb/sec downlink 2kb/sec uplink |
| 00:08.45 | Erwin | It's usually a router setting, so you can probably change that |
| 00:08.59 | AngelChild | z00dax: nice idea, but absolutely no idea how |
| 00:10.04 | z00dax | AngelChild, how many hundreds of pounds did you spend on your router ? |
| 00:12.31 | z00dax | well, what router to yo use ? |
| 00:12.52 | z00dax | if you use a linux box as the gateway / router - things become much easier |
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| 00:27.02 | Leeds | hmm... peter's back |
| 00:29.52 | z00dax | and presently hounding me in #centos |
| 00:32.48 | mikejw | hey guys |
| 00:34.09 | Leeds | z00dax: for what it's worth, it's quite possible to have a router which costs a lot less than hundreds of pounds *and* runs Linux :-) |
| 00:34.59 | z00dax | Leeds, "some assembly required" |
| 00:35.08 | Leeds | true, so? |
| 00:35.59 | z00dax | nothing, I agree - its possible to have something like a linksys box that runs linux and lets you do QoS stuff |
| 00:36.21 | Leeds | shower time... |
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| 09:09.33 | morsing | 'morning? |
| 09:13.08 | Leeds | really? |
| 09:13.32 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 09:13.37 | morsing | Cheese anyone? |
| 09:14.41 | Leeds | http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.london.gllug |
| 09:18.08 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:21.40 | SlayerXP | hoping to knock about 40dB off the noise my computer mkaes today |
| 09:30.27 | morsing | SlayerXP: SUN Sparc? |
| 09:30.45 | SlayerXP | morsing: dual opty |
| 09:31.45 | mozrat | morning! |
| 09:31.50 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 09:50.42 | Cope | ello |
| 09:51.42 | highbury | leeds: it points to the right place, but just has the wrong address |
| 09:52.57 | Erwin | How's Lloyd's online banking? Is there any bank that offers a better, more complete interface? I don't care about IE-only (blasphemy, I know :-) ) |
| 09:53.22 | Jango | i've always got on ok with the halifax online banking |
| 09:53.29 | SlayerXP | dnbnor's online banking is excellent |
| 09:53.35 | Jango | (generally using firefox/linux) |
| 09:54.15 | highbury | Erwin: lloyds is very goog |
| 09:54.20 | highbury | good |
| 09:55.08 | highbury | works fine with konqueror unlike others |
| 09:59.39 | Cope | memtest is reporting some errors.. how can I tie these to a particular stick? |
| 10:00.21 | Leeds | I've been using the llyodstsb for years - used to work pretty well even with lynx |
| 10:00.45 | Cope | Leeds: and you didn't get prosecuted as a hacker? |
| 10:01.34 | Leeds | suprisingly not |
| 10:01.46 | Cope | Erwin: i don't use internet banking myself, but my colleague uses smile and speaks highly of the service. |
| 10:02.26 | Erwin | All right. I was annoyed when my estate agent told me her bank charged her to get an IBAN number, so I'm sceptical about the bank service levels |
| 10:04.01 | highbury | what's an IBAN number |
| 10:04.19 | SlayerXP | International Bank Account Number |
| 10:04.25 | SlayerXP | ask your bank to issue you with one |
| 10:04.34 | highbury | leeds: I'm trying to find a feedback page, to correct the gmame display |
| 10:04.53 | SlayerXP | it's your regular bank account number, combined with sort code, combined with a few other digits |
| 10:07.07 | Erwin | just one checksum digit. And apparently HSBC couldn't give them one stinky digit unless they went through some procedure. |
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| 10:19.36 | Leeds | oh, and for what it's worth, apparently there's going to be a gllug meeting 11 days ago... |
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| 10:20.23 | wethrin | Leeds: Referring to the website? |
| 10:21.54 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:22.44 | wethrin | ahh |
| 10:24.16 | Cope | ahh grandi has replied at last |
| 10:24.34 | Cope | at which point, I am not even going to bother to reply |
| 10:24.55 | wethrin | To your flame? |
| 10:25.00 | Cope | hardly a flame |
| 10:25.21 | wethrin | Um. Well, the one about your raw devices? |
| 10:25.24 | Cope | yes |
| 10:25.29 | wethrin | Heh |
| 10:29.08 | kbsingh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.39 | Leeds | bloody IE |
| 10:41.46 | wethrin | don't use it |
| 10:43.21 | Leeds | don't have a choice |
| 10:43.27 | wethrin | why not? |
| 10:44.03 | Leeds | I don't use it. My cousin/boss doesn't use it. If I pushed, I could stop anyone within this company using it. But I can't stop our customers from using it |
| 10:45.05 | wethrin | ahh |
| 10:45.31 | SlayerXP | Leeds: yes you can |
| 10:45.50 | SlayerXP | use a browser detect script to redirect all your customers to a competitor |
| 10:48.38 | wethrin | Now look what you've made him do :-P |
| 11:02.00 | Cope | i'm sorry |
| 11:02.08 | Cope | i couldn't not reply. |
| 11:02.37 | highbury | we're debating having a meeting on the 17th with Robin Rowe of linuxmovies.org |
| 11:02.58 | highbury | but the meeting on the 10th with SuSE/Novell will probably have to be cancelled |
| 11:03.40 | Cope | :( |
| 11:03.41 | highbury | but we only have 1 speaker on the 17th, which might not be a bad thing, as it gives people more time for Christmas shopping |
| 11:03.59 | Cope | hello highbury |
| 11:04.15 | highbury | I spoke to tarragon yesterday, and he's finding out about the Novel thing, but I thinks its unlikely now |
| 11:04.39 | highbury | hi cope, I see things are getting a bit heated between you and blissex! |
| 11:05.52 | mozrat | He is a bit of a windup artist |
| 11:06.41 | Cope | highbury: i was tempted to just ignore him... but, y'know, I can't just leave that kind of rubbish unanswered. |
| 11:07.24 | highbury | I'm trying to decide when to step in... |
| 11:07.36 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:07.58 | highbury | but can't be assed to research the complete threads, to see who got abusive first |
| 11:08.36 | highbury | name-calling |
| 11:08.38 | Cope | Someone blatantly talking out of their arse being told that's what they're doing is fair game. |
| 11:10.09 | highbury | things can be done more diplomatically, perhaps .... |
| 11:11.01 | Cope | well, read the thread and judge for yourself - his first reply was ok, but confusing, and over-verbose. I replied, politely. |
| 11:12.00 | Cope | he then replied and started throwing in phrases like 'of course you know better' and 'not being telepathic' |
| 11:12.18 | Cope | and then went off on a wild goose chase telling me to read documentation I've already read and he hasn't |
| 11:12.43 | Cope | and making bold assertions about what I 'really' meant, which displayed he had not the slightest clue what he was talking about. |
| 11:13.33 | Cope | and then concluded by telling me what I 'should' have asked - which bore no resemblance to what I wanted to know, and was based on his own lack on understanding and reading. |
| 11:15.21 | Cope | I replied, perhaps somewhat aggressively because he was being a fool, but without any 'names' and simply pointin out where he was incorrect and that he was displaying his ignorance for all to see. |
| 11:15.37 | mozrat | It's amazing how fast that thread has sunken into hostility.. he's only written 3 threads |
| 11:15.41 | mozrat | Cope - where are you today? |
| 11:15.50 | mozrat | s/threads/posts/ |
| 11:16.35 | Cope | he replied, being rude, and demonstrating even more ignornace; which I have responded to, without name calling, and simply pointing out that his pedantry, name-calling, post-rewriting, and air of superiority does him no favours. |
| 11:16.42 | Cope | mozrat: I am at home - unwell. |
| 11:17.16 | highbury | I think the "tone" seems equivalent to name calling (by all parties), and certainly has grown quite aggressive |
| 11:18.12 | Cope | well, highbury, if someone inferred on a public list that you were clueless, prone to asking ambiguous and imprecise questions, confused, not understanding your job, and tried to correct you using incorrect information, how would you respond? |
| 11:18.36 | Cope | sorry, let me rephrase... if someone *stated* the above. |
| 11:18.41 | highbury | but lets leave it for now. I'm going to try and have a word with him when I next see him |
| 11:19.24 | highbury | "I believe you are incorrect, now moving on to your specific recommendations ..." |
| 11:19.47 | Cope | highbury: that's essentially what i did in my first reply. |
| 11:20.21 | highbury | .. and stick to that tack |
| 11:20.30 | highbury | I know its hard |
| 11:20.54 | Cope | well, I think that's what I've done. |
| 11:21.02 | Cope | In areas where he is incorrect I have corrected him |
| 11:21.14 | Cope | in areas where he has been helpful I have thanked him |
| 11:21.54 | Cope | and en route I have again suggested he might like to try being a little less verbose, a little more humble, a little less rude, and a little more considered. |
| 11:21.57 | highbury | when flaming was really popular |
| 11:22.27 | Cope | I've concluded by 'bailing out' - ie I won't continue the thread; and said that his posts have disappointed me. |
| 11:22.32 | Cope | what's wrong with that? |
| 11:22.52 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 11:33.16 | highbury | I think, perhaps, you may be viewing your emails with rose-coloured spectacles. But I stress, I'm not intending to pick on you |
| 11:35.29 | Cope | highbury: you're probably right; he's just such a pompous, arrogant, annoying man! |
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| 11:35.42 | morsing | ibot japanese traffic light |
| 11:37.49 | Cope | morsing: http://arc.mcc.id.au/photos/2004/CJK/r255.jpg |
| 11:38.44 | morsing | Cope: Did that actually load when you tried it? Thanks anyway |
| 11:39.16 | morsing | Cope: Got it now but it's not a traffic light though, just a crossing |
| 11:39.54 | Cope | morsing: http://www.kolumbus.fi/vallinkoski/ilkka/Japan-95/Pics/Tokyo/Shinjuku/trafficLight.jpg |
| 11:40.44 | Cope | there's definitely one there! |
| 11:40.47 | Cope | on its side! |
| 11:40.50 | Cope | cute! |
| 11:42.31 | morsing | Cope: Sorry but there isn't one there either. Only pedestrian lights. |
| 11:42.46 | morsing | I need a picture of a sideways - red - yellow - blue light |
| 11:43.19 | Cope | there is.... |
| 11:43.25 | Cope | look closely |
| 11:43.32 | morsing | Oh yes - I see. |
| 11:43.43 | morsing | But it's on red, not blue unfortunately |
| 11:43.57 | morsing | Hmmm... I'm colourblind |
| 11:51.17 | morsing | I actually had one myself: |
| 11:51.19 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/imm.php?STED=Tokyo&phid=3&i=1 |
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| 12:25.13 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:26.17 | wethrin | Liverpool! |
| 12:26.39 | Leeds | Cardiff |
| 12:31.56 | wethrin | yay? |
| 12:33.40 | highbury | I like the traffic light sculpture/traffic island at the entrance to the Isle of Dogs, it really got me confused first time I saw it |
| 12:34.23 | Cope | I have tonsilitis :( |
| 12:34.27 | wethrin | Poo :( |
| 12:34.38 | highbury | that's the other end |
| 12:34.39 | Cope | which is causeing ear-ache |
| 12:35.13 | kbsingh | highbury, its very confusing |
| 12:35.19 | highbury | I have back ache which is causing a trapped nerve which is causing shooting pains up my leg |
| 12:35.55 | kbsingh | Cope, does Vodka help ? |
| 12:38.50 | Cope | kbsingh: dunno - might do? |
| 12:38.57 | Cope | gargling vodka |
| 12:41.39 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:42.10 | wethrin | mmm |
| 12:51.52 | morsing | Mmm... penecilin |
| 13:06.57 | morsing | Anyone aware of a bug in openssh that kicks you out if you run scripts with a lot of output? |
| 13:16.59 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 13:25.46 | morsing | 'lo |
| 13:41.10 | George | anyone had any experience with active noise cancelling headphones? |
| 13:42.11 | Cope | *** anyone: No such nick/channel |
| 13:42.31 | morsing | George: My annoying norwegian colleague has some |
| 13:42.39 | morsing | George: They annoy all of us! |
| 13:42.46 | morsing | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 13:42.52 | George | ?? |
| 13:43.01 | morsing | They go bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 13:43.08 | morsing | All day long! |
| 13:43.57 | George | really? |
| 13:44.02 | morsing | Yes! |
| 13:44.11 | George | so they're really bad? |
| 13:44.24 | morsing | They work quite well though. I tried them |
| 13:44.35 | morsing | George: They're not bad for the person using them |
| 13:45.40 | George | what make are they? |
| 13:46.23 | Erwin | George: I picked up a pair of the Bose QuietComfort 2 when flying on the last business trip to California. |
| 13:46.37 | morsing | George: Sennheiser I believe |
| 13:46.55 | George | morsing: oh, they're the ones I want |
| 13:47.08 | George | morsing: so they make a loud buzzing noise? |
| 13:47.08 | Erwin | George: They are OK.. I would have expected a more striking effect, but there was a significant damping of the engine noise. Although I usually take an Airbus there, this was a Boeing which seems more noisy |
| 13:47.34 | Erwin | Why do you want them BTW? If it's just short-term, i.e. up to 2 hours at a time I would get a pair of in-ear plugs instead |
| 13:48.03 | Erwin | I use a pair of Etymotic plugs for music and they're great -- but they make your ears hurt after a few hours, so they are not good for a 10-hour intercontinental flight |
| 13:48.44 | George | hrmm |
| 13:54.59 | morsing | maerp505(root)# refresh -s inetd |
| 13:58.58 | George | Erwin: a friend suggests Shure E3c |
| 14:00.23 | Erwin | Yeah, I don't know the Shure models. They have some cheaper models than Etymotic, though you can get a less known brand for even less |
| 14:01.04 | Erwin | The blocking of ears with the plugs can feel strange (they go further in than e.g. earplugs) but it provides great isolation, you hear nothing but the music and maybe your own breathing |
| 14:01.19 | morsing | PC? |
| 14:02.27 | George | what has political correctness got to do with shure headphones? |
| 14:04.02 | mozrat | Police Constables, silly |
| 14:04.24 | morsing | Perfect Coffee (TM) |
| 14:04.48 | George | hello |
| 14:04.51 | morsing | George! |
| 14:04.55 | George | sorry |
| 14:05.03 | George | some doofus in my room is typing on this keyboard |
| 14:05.15 | morsing | George: Your boyfriend? |
| 14:07.21 | George | dude. |
| 14:07.24 | George | I don't have a boyfriend |
| 14:08.47 | *** join/#gllug IAmAI (i=hidden-u@83.222.114.3) |
| 14:20.01 | mozrat | hello IAmAI |
| 14:20.11 | IAmAI | Hi. |
| 14:20.14 | IAmAI | How are you? |
| 14:20.21 | mozrat | very well thanks |
| 14:20.26 | IAmAI | Cool. |
| 14:20.41 | IAmAI | Have you heard about the Doom movie? |
| 14:20.49 | mozrat | heard about it yes |
| 14:20.58 | mozrat | Can't imagine it is going to be that good - have you seen it? |
| 14:22.00 | IAmAI | No - it's not out until December. I've heard it's supposed to be good and quite faithful to Doom 3. |
| 14:22.10 | Erwin | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/09/review_doom.html |
| 14:22.34 | Erwin | Yes, I loved the story in Doom 3. I've read the book series and seen the West End play, and now finally the movie is here. I can't wait |
| 14:23.27 | IAmAI | Perhaps if enough people are interested, we could make it a Gllug event? |
| 14:23.39 | IAmAI | ...or outing... thing... |
| 14:23.47 | mozrat | Mmm, thats a good idea |
| 14:23.54 | mozrat | never heard of that being done with GLLUG |
| 14:24.20 | Cope | a fine idea |
| 14:25.42 | IAmAI | Cool :) |
| 14:25.58 | Erwin | Excellent, I'll bring the cyanide cokes. |
| 14:26.02 | IAmAI | I really can't think anyone else I know in London that would want to go and see it. |
| 14:27.38 | IAmAI | Erwin: That link you gave doesn't give a very good review :S |
| 14:27.51 | IAmAI | Of the trailer... |
| 14:29.03 | Erwin | Indeed. |
| 14:29.48 | mozrat | amusing abuse of the Queens language |
| 14:33.11 | morsing | IAmAI: Why would you want to see the movie? |
| 14:33.54 | IAmAI | Because I am a big fan of FPS. |
| 14:33.58 | morsing | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435625/ |
| 14:34.02 | morsing | FPS? |
| 14:34.08 | IAmAI | First Person Shooters. |
| 14:34.20 | IAmAI | I want to see if movie adaptations can be good... or not. |
| 14:34.59 | Erwin | A movie adaptation of "Deux Ex" could be good. Or even even "Far Cry". But Doom? |
| 14:35.04 | IAmAI | And I'm enjoying the game, Doom 3. |
| 14:35.56 | IAmAI | I would agree. There's been many movies like Doom and indeed Far Cry. |
| 14:36.16 | IAmAI | There has been talk of a Deus Ex movie but stalled, if not, it never took off. |
| 14:36.23 | IAmAI | +it |
| 14:36.48 | Erwin | I think it's rendered on Linux :-) |
| 14:36.51 | IAmAI | I think Deus Ex would make a good movie, and it would be something different and/or new. |
| 14:37.10 | IAmAI | Wethrin: Of course - I don't think it has anything to do with Linux ^__^ |
| 14:37.33 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 14:39.42 | IAmAI | Although, if the UAC catastophy on Mars could have been avoided had they used Linux systems instead of Windows, may be it would be relevance. |
| 14:39.54 | IAmAI | +of |
| 14:40.57 | IAmAI | Perhaps it is why their machinary started operating on it's own accord - there systems where infected by tojan hourses :P |
| 14:41.05 | IAmAI | *horses |
| 15:02.50 | morsing | The Unix team won! |
| 15:04.28 | morsing | Please review the attached work plan for publishing this afternoon. |
| 15:42.11 | morsing | Anyone going to the gym tonight? |
| 16:08.04 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 16:08.06 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 16:08.14 | Leeds | a little after 4pm in the UK now, right? |
| 16:08.20 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 16:08.26 | morsing | ibot time |
| 16:08.27 | ibot | 2005.11.23 16:08:27 GMT |
| 16:08.36 | Leeds | ibot time in London |
| 16:08.43 | morsing | ibot time ouy |
| 16:08.49 | morsing | ibot time out |
| 16:09.03 | Leeds | ibot time please |
| 16:09.05 | ibot | 2005.11.23 16:09:05 GMT |
| 16:09.44 | Leeds | speaking of which, is it tomorrow night the endless 24-hour drinking binge starts in the UK? |
| 16:09.54 | mozrat | Leeds: tonight |
| 16:10.02 | mozrat | pubs close at 11:20 tonight or something |
| 16:10.06 | mozrat | and open again at 0001 |
| 16:10.12 | Leeds | heh |
| 16:10.18 | mozrat | just enough time to get a kebab |
| 16:10.19 | Leeds | anyone going for a midnight drink? :-) |
| 16:10.37 | mozrat | not I |
| 16:10.55 | mozrat | I think with the government crackdown on binge drinking it doesn't make much sense |
| 16:11.02 | Leeds | I probably would, just on principle... |
| 16:11.33 | morsing | mozrat: Which pubs in London opens at 0001? |
| 16:11.57 | mozrat | morsing: According to the evening standard about 500 of them (or was it 5000) |
| 16:12.12 | mozrat | I saw a glimpse of the headline earlier |
| 16:12.46 | morsing | mozrat: Is there a list somewhere? |
| 16:12.59 | mozrat | yeah, I think in the evening standard |
| 16:13.37 | mozrat | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4461888.stm |
| 16:13.56 | mozrat | 60,326 outlets can sell alcohol for longer |
| 16:14.04 | mozrat | so it may have been 5000 in London |
| 16:14.56 | morsing | mozrat: No list? |
| 16:15.08 | mozrat | I think so. In the evening standard |
| 16:15.20 | mozrat | morsing: |
| 16:15.25 | morsing | mozrat: |
| 16:15.26 | mozrat | in the Evening Standard |
| 16:15.31 | mozrat | :) |
| 16:16.44 | Leeds | so... were I to be in London on or about 22/12 would there be anyone around? :-) |
| 16:17.00 | mozrat | Leeds: yes, definetly!!! |
| 16:17.02 | mozrat | come over! |
| 16:17.04 | morsing | Leeds: Yes, about a few millions people |
| 16:17.15 | morsing | Leeds: 24h drinking session! |
| 16:17.22 | Leeds | wahay :-) |
| 16:26.52 | eye69 | Leeds: What are you going to buy now? |
| 16:28.16 | morsing | sed can replace strings in files |
| 16:29.32 | Leeds | eye69: flights |
| 16:29.47 | eye69 | How fun. |
| 16:30.51 | wethrin | morsing: Yes? |
| 16:33.05 | JAV | you'll find a lot of funny prices around 25/12 |
| 16:33.38 | Leeds | JAV: oh, it's more complicated than that :-) |
| 16:34.19 | mozrat | Leeds: which version? 2000, XP? |
| 16:34.29 | Leeds | mozrat: virgin |
| 16:34.35 | mozrat | ah |
| 16:35.18 | Leeds | JAV: for a start, I already have a HKG->LHR one-way ticket in hand, assuming I can change it to the date I want |
| 16:35.29 | morsing | wethrin: What? |
| 16:35.39 | wethrin | morsing: You tried to wake me half an hour ago |
| 16:36.32 | morsing | And you're awake now? |
| 16:36.42 | morsing | wethrin: Japanese restaurent next time? |
| 16:37.38 | JAV | Leeds: any posibility of having it done without a phone call? (and more money) |
| 16:38.36 | wethrin | morsing: Maybe :) |
| 16:38.42 | Leeds | JAV: nah, I want to talk some stuff through with the Virgin people |
| 16:43.38 | Leeds | who I'm now on the phone to... |
| 16:45.24 | morsing | What the easiest way (in standard Unix) to replace a string all the way through a file no matter the case of the letters? |
| 16:45.44 | morsing | cat < <file> | sed 's/<old_string>/<new_string>/g' > file |
| 16:45.45 | morsing | ? |
| 16:47.25 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 16:48.58 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 16:49.01 | Cope | http://tinyurl.com/8pvar |
| 16:49.07 | Cope | very amusing to me :) |
| 16:51.02 | wethrin | morsing? |
| 16:51.32 | wethrin | Well, do you want to replace it with the same string all the time? |
| 16:51.51 | Leeds | personally, I'd probably write a little python... |
| 16:52.00 | Leeds | hammer/nail |
| 16:52.06 | wethrin | sed -ie "s/[Ff][Ii][Rr][Ss][Tt] [Ss][Tt][Rr][Ii][Nn][Gg]/Second String/g" |
| 16:52.08 | wethrin | sed -ie "s/[Ff][Ii][Rr][Ss][Tt] [Ss][Tt][Rr][Ii][Nn][Gg]/Second String/g" file |
| 16:53.04 | Leeds | I guess sed doesn't have a --ignore-case type flag |
| 16:54.36 | Cope | morsing: do you have gnu sed? |
| 16:56.00 | wethrin | Leeds: It's merely a regexp that it uses, so... |
| 16:57.19 | wethrin | I think the -i flag gives in-place editing on GNU sed |
| 16:57.40 | Cope | -I I think |
| 16:57.48 | Cope | but that's not portable, of course |
| 16:57.51 | wethrin | True |
| 16:58.07 | wethrin | No, -i |
| 16:58.13 | morsing | Cope: No standard sed. |
| 16:58.23 | wethrin | -i[SUFFIX] - edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied) |
| 16:58.24 | morsing | wethrin: That's the same method I have |
| 16:58.51 | wethrin | That's probably the best way, then |
| 16:58.58 | morsing | wethrin: Does -i work on standard sed implementations? |
| 16:59.02 | wethrin | No |
| 16:59.04 | wethrin | Only GNU Sed |
| 16:59.04 | Cope | morsing: nope |
| 16:59.27 | wethrin | you'll have to do "sed -e "foo" file1 > file2 ; mv file2 file1" |
| 17:03.16 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 17:05.47 | Leeds | so, I currently have the option of: taking my existing HKG->LHR ticket, changing the date (for 50 quid) and upgrading it to Upper Class (20000 miles)... |
| 17:06.00 | morsing | Leeds: Excellent |
| 17:06.47 | wethrin | Leeds: So you'll be around here New Year-time? |
| 17:07.07 | Leeds | then, buying a heavily-discounted Upper Class London->Sydney return, with a 2 month stop-over in Hong Kong on the way, getting me back to Hong Kong after New Year (seats are available, but not many) and then getting me to Sydney in March for our family wedding there... and back to Hong Kong afterwards... and a leg back to London which I might end up just abandoning... for about 2200 |
| 17:07.29 | morsing | Leeds: Wait a sec... The 22nd? That'sd when I leave! |
| 17:08.00 | Leeds | me leaving here on 22/12 means arriving in London early am on the 23rd anyway |
| 17:27.28 | morsing | Anyone know what 'dd' means? |
| 17:29.12 | wethrin | go on... |
| 17:29.48 | stephen | convert and copy, isn't it? |
| 17:29.52 | morsing | It means "Convert and Copy" but 'cc' was taken... |
| 17:31.47 | Leeds | right, time to call Virgin back and confirm some stuff... then go to sleep |
| 17:36.11 | highbury | dang! I just been peed on :-( |
| 17:41.37 | Leeds | right... it seems I shall be in London on 23/12 - although I'll probably be heading up to Leeds for that weekend |
| 17:43.05 | Leeds | my dad suggested driving a rental car up to Leeds... I thought that driving up the M1 on the Friday before Christmas weekend, in an unfamiliar (rented) car, after an overnight flightmight not be the best idea |
| 17:45.21 | wethrin | Take a train? |
| 17:45.47 | wethrin | Leeds: Are you going to be going straight from Leeds back to HK, then? Or will you stay in London on the way back? |
| 17:47.25 | George | I have interview dates! |
| 17:47.27 | George | woo for me! |
| 17:47.40 | wethrin | What're their names? |
| 17:48.04 | George | Dr D Greaves, Mr I Baltopoulos |
| 17:48.16 | George | and Mr H Robinson for the General Interview |
| 17:48.25 | George | and someone called "2nd interviewer tba" |
| 17:48.29 | George | what a stupid name :) |
| 17:49.27 | Cope | George: where? |
| 17:49.32 | George | cambridge |
| 17:49.39 | Cope | did you pick a college? |
| 17:49.42 | George | yes |
| 17:49.43 | George | corpus |
| 17:49.52 | Cope | Yay for interviews!! |
| 17:50.02 | Cope | when are they? |
| 17:50.08 | George | now just need to read up these guys' bios and read up on their areas of interest |
| 17:50.09 | George | haha |
| 17:50.12 | George | 13th December |
| 17:50.32 | Cope | yay! |
| 17:50.47 | George | have a logic test at 9am |
| 17:50.55 | George | then first general interview at noon |
| 17:50.59 | George | then subject interview at 15:00 |
| 17:51.37 | George | I'm going to go on the night before... |
| 17:51.42 | Cope | indeed |
| 17:51.47 | George | never going to make it up from london by 9am without being shattered when I get there |
| 17:51.54 | Cope | no |
| 17:52.01 | Cope | will corpus put you up? |
| 17:52.04 | George | yes |
| 17:52.10 | Cope | excellent |
| 17:53.10 | George | I also have now a scan of the letter that bristol sent me |
| 17:55.31 | wethrin | There'll be some activities going on the night before anyway |
| 17:57.41 | George | I'm not going out to get drunk |
| 17:57.47 | George | I'll try and get online and IRC you all to death |
| 17:57.51 | George | or do some work (!!!!) |
| 17:58.03 | wethrin | You won't have an interweb connection |
| 17:58.09 | wethrin | You should go out and be sociable |
| 17:58.34 | George | no |
| 17:58.38 | George | I should stay in and work |
| 18:00.20 | Leeds | wethrin: the idea would be to be in Leeds for maybe 2/3 days, 1/2 days in Nottingham, then the rest in London |
| 18:00.54 | Leeds | and I now have a return London->Sydney with a 2 month 'stopover' in Hong Kong on the way, leaving London the night of 02/01/2006 |
| 18:00.54 | wethrin | Okay - it'd be good to meet up some time |
| 18:00.56 | Cope | George: i went out the night before, and was sensibly sociable |
| 18:01.06 | wethrin | George: So did I |
| 18:01.15 | wethrin | You're going to be meeting people you may well end up studying with |
| 18:01.22 | wethrin | Don't do work |
| 18:01.22 | Leeds | Cope: shall you be around post Christmas-time? |
| 18:02.16 | Cope | yes... ish |
| 18:02.24 | Cope | i have the 23rd off |
| 18:02.34 | Cope | and I am working 25th & 26th |
| 18:04.36 | Leeds | well, I expect to be in London from the 26th or 27th to the 2nd |
| 18:04.44 | George | wethrin: I won't get in anyway |
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| 18:05.09 | wethrin | George: Fine :-P |
| 18:05.25 | George | should I take my laptop with me? |
| 18:05.27 | wethrin | No |
| 18:05.32 | George | why not? |
| 18:06.02 | Leeds | take it, but don't get stuck using it |
| 18:06.14 | George | haha |
| 18:07.50 | wethrin | Take a break from it |
| 18:07.55 | George | hrmm |
| 18:07.56 | George | ok |
| 18:07.56 | wethrin | Enjoy socialising for a change |
| 18:07.59 | George | I'll take the desktop instead |
| 18:08.00 | George | good idea |
| 18:08.13 | George | I am not going to socialise |
| 18:08.25 | wethrin | why not? |
| 18:08.34 | George | because I've got to work |
| 18:08.36 | George | (for once) |
| 18:08.52 | wethrin | Why? Take some time off |
| 18:09.05 | George | because I haven't done any for the past, oh, 17 and a half years? |
| 18:09.14 | George | and I probably ought to start |
| 18:09.15 | wethrin | So one day won't make any more difference |
| 18:09.27 | George | I believe in crazy shit happening :) |
| 18:09.51 | Cope | wtf? Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 18:10.01 | Leeds | Cope: that's a bad thing |
| 18:10.18 | George | lol |
| 18:10.19 | George | ouch |
| 18:10.39 | Leeds | George: that's a bad thing too |
| 18:10.44 | Cope | the question"erm....WHY??" s springs immediately to mind. |
| 18:11.09 | Leeds | Cope: the usual question; what changed? |
| 18:11.22 | Cope | umm... nothing, its a new install |
| 18:11.27 | Leeds | new install of? |
| 18:11.50 | Cope | freebsd 6.0 |
| 18:12.03 | Leeds | oh, well... if you must use that californian stuff... |
| 18:12.45 | Cope | and I don't see a fixed entry in my config file... |
| 18:13.03 | Leeds | fixed is a, well, fixed name for the basic font used by the server |
| 18:13.37 | Cope | mmhmm |
| 18:13.54 | Leeds | zzzz, night all |
| 18:14.49 | Cope | and the logs show... precisely nothing |
| 18:15.14 | Cope | i thought I'd left this kind of shit behind about 5 years ago |
| 18:31.37 | George | Cope: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/djg/photo-apr00.jpg |
| 18:31.41 | George | Cope: that's my interviewer |
| 18:31.47 | George | Cope: look at the sun sparc! :D |
| 18:43.10 | Cope | :) |
| 18:43.23 | wethrin | Cope: Welcome to the new age of computing! |
| 18:43.29 | wethrin | It's like the old, only more annoying |
| 18:44.17 | Cope | wethrin: netbsd just works.... :-$ |
| 18:45.27 | Cope | so now i'm trying to look at my netbsd x configuration, on a dead disk, in a rescue system without vi, a pager, or any regexp tools |
| 18:46.18 | Cope | grep? no... sorry sed? no... sorry? ed? no sorry its a read only filesystem, and I need to create a temporary file!?!? |
| 18:46.53 | wethrin | remount rw |
| 18:47.43 | wethrin | Hmm. 'charles' doesn't have much luck with grep |
| 18:52.30 | wethrin | heh |
| 18:52.35 | wethrin | Why're you doing that? |
| 18:52.41 | George | need to learn maths. |
| 18:53.58 | wethrin | Meh |
| 18:54.07 | wethrin | They're not expecting you to know it all |
| 18:54.14 | wethrin | Otherwise there's no point in them teaching it |
| 18:54.19 | George | blargh |
| 18:54.19 | wethrin | They want to see how you approach a problem |
| 18:54.24 | Cope | wethrin: mount -o remount, rw / |
| 18:54.39 | Cope | mount_ffs: -o remount: option not supported |
| 18:54.46 | wethrin | You don't need it |
| 18:54.48 | wethrin | mount / |
| 18:55.01 | wethrin | Maybe at a push: mount -o rw / |
| 18:55.23 | Cope | k |
| 18:57.48 | wethrin | does it work? |
| 18:57.51 | Cope | it does |
| 18:57.54 | Cope | now I have ed |
| 18:57.55 | George | I need to read up on decision maths |
| 18:57.56 | Cope | :) |
| 18:57.57 | wethrin | good godo |
| 18:57.58 | George | operating system design |
| 18:58.01 | George | and linear algebra |
| 18:58.06 | George | hrmm |
| 18:58.10 | Cope | dunno if /dev/wsmouse exists under freebsd though |
| 18:58.12 | George | and maybe microprocessor design |
| 18:58.18 | George | depending upon how sadistic I'm feeling |
| 18:58.19 | wethrin | No, George, you don't really need to do that |
| 18:58.29 | George | well, it's all interesting anyway |
| 18:59.05 | Cope | George: the best thing you could possibly do is find a fairly technical and interesting book or two to read |
| 18:59.08 | wethrin | Sure, but if you know *everything* that he asks you off the top of your head, he's going to be a bit, well, concerned as to *why* you know it all |
| 18:59.14 | Cope | they are bound to ask you what you've read recently |
| 18:59.18 | George | wethrin: why? |
| 18:59.42 | wethrin | They're looking at how you approach a problem, not the answers to the problem |
| 18:59.42 | George | Cope: I'll probably work my way through tanenbaum's book on operating system design |
| 18:59.57 | Cope | George: or you could look and see what's on the 'required reading before you come' list and pick something |
| 19:00.01 | wethrin | They might keep going further and see where your knowledge stops. Learning by rote isn't good. |
| 19:00.14 | Cope | wethrin: that's exactly what they will do |
| 19:00.35 | Cope | George: they will ask you a question, and push you until you run out of what you know; that's when the interview begins |
| 19:00.37 | wethrin | Yes - and if it's a very sudden dropoff, they'll think you've just memorised things |
| 19:00.43 | George | wethrin: what if they can't find where my knowledge stops? |
| 19:00.53 | wethrin | They know more than you. |
| 19:01.00 | George | this is true |
| 19:01.03 | George | but irrelevant |
| 19:01.12 | George | if I learn absolutely everything there is to learn |
| 19:01.17 | wethrin | Which you won't. |
| 19:01.17 | George | :) |
| 19:01.22 | George | haha |
| 19:01.28 | George | you're such a pessimist |
| 19:01.33 | George | bloody phycisists |
| 19:01.40 | George | or rather |
| 19:01.43 | Cope | George: a classic example from my interview was: have you studied much about organic chemistry and how it works in dyes. |
| 19:01.44 | George | phycicists |
| 19:01.51 | Cope | George: well, I hadn't so I said so |
| 19:02.01 | Cope | George: so they spent 30 mins asking me about it |
| 19:02.24 | wethrin | Indeed - there's no point asking what you know |
| 19:02.28 | Cope | George: starting with: ok, suppose we told you A B and C.... |
| 19:02.41 | Cope | George: given that, what do you think will happen if I do E? |
| 19:02.42 | Cope | etc etc |
| 19:02.58 | Cope | George: they are not remotely interested in what you know - your a-levels will cover that |
| 19:03.09 | George | I'm screwed :) |
| 19:03.17 | wethrin | Yup. |
| 19:03.26 | wethrin | Bye! |
| 19:03.28 | Cope | George: they want to find out if you can be stretched... if they will enjoy teaching you... if you'll add to the community. |
| 19:03.30 | George | yes, go away |
| 19:03.36 | George | lol |
| 19:03.36 | George | ok |
| 19:04.21 | Cope | that's not to say don't study... but you probably have enough knowledge already |
| 19:04.33 | George | I don't think I do |
| 19:04.37 | Cope | much much much more important to have some interesting or unusual things to talk about |
| 19:04.54 | Cope | George: if you are going to get AAA, which you need to, then you know enough. |
| 19:05.54 | George | I hope the competition isn't stiff |
| 19:06.12 | Cope | lol |
| 19:06.27 | Cope | yeah, because only really average people get as far as the interview |
| 19:06.35 | George | ? |
| 19:06.53 | Cope | dumbass - of course the competition will be stiff |
| 19:07.04 | George | oh hush |
| 19:07.10 | George | stop messing with my hopes |
| 19:09.57 | George | :P |
| 19:10.26 | Cope | I believe in you... but we're just trying to give you useful advice, as people who've been there, and got through. |
| 19:10.30 | George | heh |
| 19:10.32 | George | thanks. |
| 19:49.23 | JAV | http://minipc.jp/news/cf700/index.html (no, I can't translate it) |
| 19:58.19 | JAV | http://imagenes.yonkis.com/23112005171750.jpg (sfw) |
| 20:15.27 | George | ibot: nslookup gwright.org.uk |
| 20:18.04 | George | ibot: nslookup gwright.org.uk |
| 20:54.16 | George | hehe |
| 21:36.12 | JAV | rtsp://212.81.130.16:554/Intereconomia/pub/live.sdp --> can this be seen in linux? |
| 21:36.47 | JAV | I can see something with vlc but not correctly |
| 21:59.21 | George | wethrin: does resistance increase as temperature increases? |
| 22:02.26 | z00dax | 'yes' might be a good guess |
| 22:04.35 | JAV | yes with metals |
| 22:12.47 | wethrin | George: Sometimes |
| 22:13.04 | wethrin | Yes with metals, no with semiconductors |
| 22:15.16 | George | yeah, I meant with metals |
| 22:17.08 | wethrin | Then yes |
| 22:17.26 | wethrin | Increased temperature causes increased molecular vibrations, which impede electron flow |
| 22:20.43 | Cope | George: why do you think the answer is no with semiconductors? |
| 22:20.51 | Cope | (would be a classic interview question) |
| 22:22.14 | George | too busy |
| 22:22.17 | George | go away |
| 22:23.11 | wethrin | Cope: Actually, I said it was no with semiconductors |
| 22:23.38 | George | it's probably because when it heats up it's able to strip a few electrons from the shells of the atoms in the semiconductor which allows for more delocalised electrons which result in charge transfer when a potential difference is applied across the semiconductor |
| 22:23.41 | wethrin | I guess if he goes for CompSci, then he should know about semiconductors |
| 22:23.57 | wethrin | That's not quite true |
| 22:24.16 | wethrin | But quite a reasonable answer |
| 22:25.02 | George | I just made it up |
| 22:25.51 | George | wethrin: can you explain to me why the resistance is inversely proportional to the cross sectional area of a metallic conductor? |
| 22:26.41 | wethrin | Delocalised electrons isn't really true - that only tends to hold in organic molecules |
| 22:27.21 | Cope | wethrin: yes, I know you did; the question was: wethrin says no (and he is right) - why do you think this is the case. |
| 22:27.44 | George | free electrons then |
| 22:27.47 | wethrin | George: Well, simply, bigger area for the electrons to flow through |
| 22:28.08 | wethrin | Again, they're not quite 'free' in the metals sense |
| 22:28.08 | George | wethrin: ok, thanks, that's what I thought |
| 22:31.40 | wethrin | Restistance = Resistivity * Length / Area |
| 22:33.22 | mozrat | Good evening gentlemen and George |
| 22:33.30 | George | hi mozrat |
| 22:33.35 | mozrat | hi matey |
| 22:34.12 | George | sorry |
| 22:34.14 | George | on the pone |
| 22:34.15 | George | phone |
| 22:34.22 | wethrin | okay |
| 22:34.58 | mozrat | George: how much did LXF pay you for the Education article? |
| 22:36.02 | Cope | an hour ago I was going to bed... |
| 22:36.06 | Cope | now I really am! |
| 22:36.10 | Cope | night night chums. |
| 22:36.15 | mozrat | nn cope |
| 22:36.24 | mozrat | come and fetch your o2 tomorrow! |
| 22:36.50 | wethrin | nn Cope |
| 22:36.55 | wethrin | Ooh. O2. |
| 22:37.03 | George | back, sorta |
| 22:37.07 | wethrin | heh |
| 22:37.08 | George | mozrat: they should be paying 540 for it |
| 22:37.11 | Cope | mozrat: i am sick :( but monday would work |
| 22:37.23 | mozrat | Monday is good for me |
| 22:37.25 | Cope | mozrat: as I have to be in london on monday |
| 22:37.29 | Cope | cool... |
| 22:37.31 | mozrat | Cope: cool :) |
| 22:37.33 | Cope | goodnight |
| 22:37.38 | mozrat | George: thats good! |
| 22:37.48 | George | mozrat: well, they haven't bitched about the invoice I sent them |
| 22:38.16 | mozrat | George: yeah, but it isn't name your own price though surely |
| 22:38.22 | wethrin | Oh, it's probably easy |
| 22:38.31 | George | this is why I hate GCSE. |
| 22:38.35 | George | wethrin: yes, it's a GCSE coursework |
| 22:38.41 | wethrin | Why're you doing GCSE coursework? |
| 22:38.44 | George | erm |
| 22:38.46 | George | let's not go into that |
| 22:38.48 | wethrin | More to the point, who're you doing it for/ |
| 22:40.13 | wethrin | Uhhuh. Bad George! Are you getting sufficiently compensated? |
| 22:40.21 | George | bad george? |
| 22:40.28 | George | erm, no, I'm not being compensated at all actually |
| 22:40.56 | wethrin | Or doing it out of the goodness of your heart? |
| 22:41.06 | wethrin | In fact, why isn't the person you're doing it for doing it themselves? |
| 22:41.38 | wethrin | uhhuh |
| 22:42.17 | George | mozrat: cool |
| 22:43.00 | George | wethrin: I'm doing it out of the kindness of my heart, becuase I'm such a nice person |
| 22:43.16 | wethrin | Mmm. What's the project on? |
| 22:43.22 | George | resistivity |
| 22:43.27 | George | and thinkness |
| 22:43.29 | George | and their relationship |
| 22:43.50 | wethrin | Restistance = Resistivity * Length / Area --- simple |
| 22:43.54 | George | yes |
| 22:43.55 | George | I know |
| 22:44.06 | George | but the project is experimentally showing that |
| 22:44.11 | George | hypothesising how they are linked |
| 22:44.12 | wethrin | Or do you measure lots of resistances, and have to come.......right |
| 22:44.18 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 22:44.19 | George | then doing experiments |
| 22:44.23 | George | plotting graphs |
| 22:44.30 | George | stating what the relationship appears to actually be |
| 22:44.40 | George | scientific explanation as to why it's like that |
| 22:44.50 | wethrin | Okay |
| 22:46.49 | wethrin | Ha! |
| 22:47.20 | George | what? |
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| 22:52.20 | wethrin | What? |
| 22:52.27 | wethrin | Shrewsbury. Honestly! |
| 22:53.26 | George | shut up. |
| 22:53.31 | George | nothing wrong with shrews |
| 22:55.23 | wethrin | Why're you going there? |
| 22:55.36 | George | why not? |
| 22:56.27 | wethrin | It's a silly place! |
| 22:56.45 | George | no it's not! |
| 22:56.51 | wethrin | 'tis! |
| 22:56.55 | George | not! |
| 22:58.24 | wethrin | 'tis |
| 22:58.27 | George | shut up |
| 22:58.30 | George | I feel insulted now. |
| 22:58.34 | wethrin | Good! |
| 22:58.39 | George | :'( |
| 22:59.01 | George | I hate coursework |
| 22:59.05 | wethrin | It does suck |
| 23:05.00 | George | yes, yes it does. |
| 23:05.03 | George | but it's got to be done |
| 23:05.05 | George | :'( |
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| 23:08.52 | AngelChild | much hiness |
| 23:09.09 | George | I ought to get my own work done tonight at some point |
| 23:09.09 | George | lol |
| 23:09.15 | wethrin | hi angelC |
| 23:09.17 | AngelChild | work is overrated :d |
| 23:09.24 | wethrin | AngelChild: That's my line! |
| 23:09.28 | AngelChild | xD |
| 23:09.31 | George | wethrin is overrated. |
| 23:09.31 | wethrin | George: Get person to do his own work! |
| 23:09.35 | wethrin | :( |
| 23:09.57 | wethrin | Thanks :) |
| 23:09.57 | George | I would do but I can't |
| 23:10.07 | George | I sorta volunteered. |
| 23:10.08 | George | ahem. |
| 23:10.26 | wethrin | Silly boy |
| 23:10.32 | Cope | both of them |
| 23:10.35 | George | and.. er.. |
| 23:10.39 | George | Cope: both? |
| 23:10.49 | Cope | yes - the chap you're doing the work for too |
| 23:10.51 | wethrin | Cope: Go sleep! |
| 23:10.56 | George | Cope: erm.. boy? |
| 23:11.25 | Cope | wethrin: but... but.. I've been reading flames on the list |
| 23:11.58 | wethrin | Naughty Cope! |
| 23:12.02 | Cope | indeed |
| 23:12.06 | Cope | it'll only encourage me |
| 23:12.17 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:12.19 | AngelChild | :o |
| 23:12.42 | wethrin | Programme about Light Music |
| 23:12.52 | Cope | david damerell is fun |
| 23:13.05 | wethrin | He's a troll |
| 23:13.09 | Cope | indeed |
| 23:13.50 | wethrin | Silly Nix. |
| 23:13.57 | wethrin | Apparently I 'gibbered uncontrollably' :) |
| 23:14.47 | George | gah |
| 23:14.51 | George | run out of space on my phone |
| 23:14.59 | wethrin | Delete stuff |
| 23:15.26 | George | yeah |
| 23:15.31 | George | I've got far too many texts |
| 23:15.45 | wethrin | heh |
| 23:16.44 | George | deleted about 2 dozen |
| 23:17.04 | wethrin | Can't you do a bulk delete |
| 23:17.04 | wethrin | ? |
| 23:17.19 | George | yeah |
| 23:17.23 | George | but I only want to delete old ones |
| 23:17.33 | George | I'm a big fan of keeping useless data |
| 23:17.36 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:17.43 | George | hence why my email box has about 160000 emails in it |
| 23:17.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:18.04 | George | grrr |
| 23:18.09 | wethrin | heh |
| 23:18.19 | George | wethrin: do it for me |
| 23:18.32 | wethrin | I don't have results |
| 23:18.34 | wethrin | Make up some |
| 23:18.39 | George | we have results |
| 23:18.41 | George | I've already made them up |
| 23:18.43 | wethrin | Good. |
| 23:18.53 | George | unfortunately there's now a perfect graph :) |
| 23:19.09 | wethrin | So shiffle the points around a bit |
| 23:19.16 | AngelChild | George, if you write my HCI essay I'll do your physics |
| 23:19.19 | George | AngelChild: no |
| 23:19.22 | George | AngelChild: it's not my physics |
| 23:19.25 | wethrin | HCI? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA :) |
| 23:19.26 | AngelChild | worth a try |
| 23:19.35 | George | human computer interface? |
| 23:19.40 | AngelChild | HCI itself is interesting, but it's covered in bullshit terms :/ |
| 23:19.44 | Cope | hardly coherent idea? |
| 23:20.06 | AngelChild | and i hate doing coursework that isn't programming |
| 23:20.19 | George | it's physics |
| 23:20.24 | George | and it's about... dun dun DUN... RESISTANCE |
| 23:20.27 | George | you know you want to! |
| 23:20.34 | AngelChild | just don't do it and tell them you wanted to get your own done first |
| 23:20.36 | George | actually, I er.. volunteered to do it |
| 23:20.44 | AngelChild | seeing as how they seem to be taking advantage of you |
| 23:20.47 | AngelChild | make them learn a lesson :) |
| 23:20.51 | wethrin | Simple. The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else is learned |
| 23:20.59 | AngelChild | what |
| 23:21.02 | AngelChild | the |
| 23:21.03 | wethrin | So make all your UIs have a big nipple that does everything |
| 23:21.04 | AngelChild | wethrin |
| 23:21.10 | wethrin | Hello AC! |
| 23:21.15 | AngelChild | hallo |
| 23:21.15 | Cope | wethrin: not actually terrible intuitive... ask a mother learning to breastfeed |
| 23:21.24 | AngelChild | :o |
| 23:21.32 | George | AngelChild: so are you going to do it or not? |
| 23:21.33 | Cope | takes a good week or so to learn it... by that account vi is more intuitive! |
| 23:21.39 | AngelChild | George: negatory |
| 23:21.45 | wethrin | Cope: No, no. emacs! :) |
| 23:21.45 | George | AngelChild: DO IT |
| 23:21.48 | George | AngelChild: you know you want to |
| 23:21.54 | AngelChild | not really |
| 23:21.55 | wethrin | Non-programming CS assignments suck |
| 23:21.55 | George | AngelChild: my friend will be VERY pleased! |
| 23:22.00 | AngelChild | good for him :) |
| 23:22.05 | Cope | wethrin: George knows a girl called vi |
| 23:22.07 | Cope | I fancy her |
| 23:22.12 | George | I do not. |
| 23:22.12 | George | liar |
| 23:22.14 | wethrin | How old is she, cope? |
| 23:22.15 | Cope | just because of her name |
| 23:22.18 | George | I know OF a girl called Vi |
| 23:22.19 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:22.22 | Cope | ahhh |
| 23:22.22 | AngelChild | does her interface require use of the colon? |
| 23:22.29 | wethrin | Bad AC! |
| 23:22.33 | AngelChild | ^.^ |
| 23:22.33 | George | never spoken to, never met, never seen, never known |
| 23:22.46 | AngelChild | oops |
| 23:22.47 | George | no |
| 23:22.48 | George | look |
| 23:22.49 | AngelChild | a very yellow one |
| 23:22.55 | George | SOMEONE DO THIS COURSEWORK PLEASE |
| 23:22.56 | AngelChild | 80:) |
| 23:22.58 | AngelChild | there we go |
| 23:23.08 | AngelChild | George: your friend should do it |
| 23:23.11 | AngelChild | do your own :) |
| 23:23.19 | Cope | wethrin: why am I not in bed? |
| 23:23.20 | George | no they shouldn't. |
| 23:23.26 | wethrin | Cope: Because you're naughty |
| 23:23.32 | George | AngelChild: so there. |
| 23:23.35 | George | AngelChild: now do it! |
| 23:23.38 | George | AngelChild: or I'll kill you |
| 23:23.52 | AngelChild | cope needs to let me sleep in his bed |
| 23:24.03 | George | Cope: it's a worthy sacrifice |
| 23:24.07 | George | Cope: let her sleep in your bed |
| 23:24.15 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:24.26 | wethrin | AngelChild: And then you'll do George's coursework? |
| 23:24.26 | George | Cope: then this physics can get done and everyone will be happy |
| 23:24.42 | George | wethrin: it's not mine! |
| 23:24.47 | AngelChild | wethrin: he doesn't even want me to do _his_ cwk :o |
| 23:25.08 | George | AngelChild: I don't have any coursework. |
| 23:25.18 | George | Cope: you do it then |
| 23:25.28 | Cope | xscreensaver-command -lock |
| 23:25.42 | AngelChild | wow, he speaks commands in his sleep :o |
| 23:25.48 | George | AngelChild: I hate you now :'( |
| 23:25.54 | George | AngelChild: and so will my friend. |
| 23:26.02 | AngelChild | I don't know your friend, but that hurts :( |
| 23:26.29 | wethrin | heh |
| 23:26.30 | George | do it |
| 23:26.32 | George | do it! |
| 23:26.34 | George | you know you want to |
| 23:26.49 | wethrin | George: It's easy! |
| 23:26.59 | George | yes, but I can't be arsed anymore |
| 23:27.01 | AngelChild | Not after you've said mean things |
| 23:27.05 | AngelChild | meanie |
| 23:27.07 | George | I'm sick to the back teeth with physics |
| 23:27.14 | George | fine then. |
| 23:27.16 | George | grrr |
| 23:27.22 | George | I'll just knuckle down and do it myself |
| 23:27.24 | George | you bastards |
| 23:27.55 | wethrin | good |
| 23:27.55 | wethrin | Do it |
| 23:28.05 | wethrin | Or get your friend to do it himself |
| 23:28.07 | George | right, I've done as much as I'm willing to do |
| 23:28.15 | George | it's.. er.. |
| 23:28.17 | George | blah. |
| 23:28.27 | wethrin | You shouldn't do coursework for other people |
| 23:28.31 | George | why not? |
| 23:28.52 | wethrin | They're supposed to do it themselves |
| 23:28.57 | AngelChild | what wethrin said |
| 23:28.57 | wethrin | Otherwise they won't learn anything |
| 23:29.13 | AngelChild | why did you volunteer to do it? |
| 23:29.36 | George | never you mind |
| 23:29.51 | wethrin | AngelChild: I think he wanted to get a bit of action ;-) |
| 23:30.00 | George | get a bit of action? |
| 23:30.39 | wethrin | never mind, George |
| 23:30.46 | wethrin | When you mature, you'll know |
| 23:31.13 | AngelChild | heh |
| 23:31.14 | George | dude. |
| 23:31.18 | George | what do you mean?? |
| 23:31.26 | AngelChild | "action"'s something I've never found from helping people xD |
| 23:31.35 | AngelChild | or... by doing anything else in fact |
| 23:31.42 | wethrin | Poor AC:( |
| 23:31.55 | George | action sucks |
| 23:32.07 | AngelChild | I can't do much about being unlucky and/or just undesirable |
| 23:32.24 | wethrin | I hear ye |
| 23:32.59 | AngelChild | I'm rather pissed off at everyone who says that that kind of thing "just happens", because it quite blatantly doesn't |
| 23:33.56 | AngelChild | Neh |
| 23:37.07 | George | ok |
| 23:37.28 | mozrat | I bet George lost |
| 23:37.34 | George | actually, I won |
| 23:37.38 | George | lol |
| 23:37.45 | George | well, I was only sending an SMS |
| 23:37.47 | George | but anyway |
| 23:38.39 | George | oh well |
| 23:38.52 | George | I hope they're pleased. I wrote 500 words and fabricated all the results. |
| 23:41.31 | George | oh my god |
| 23:41.34 | George | I've only got 151 minutes left |
| 23:41.36 | George | arrgghh |
| 23:43.38 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com) |
| 23:43.48 | George | I've already got 3 |
| 23:43.58 | George | actually, that's a point, I need to put one in the post |
| 23:43.59 | George | grr |
| 23:44.06 | Leeds | so, everyone going to the pub in 15 minutes? |
| 23:44.15 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:45.38 | mozrat | Morning Leeds! |
| 23:45.50 | George | wethrin: well, I hate you now |
| 23:46.32 | Leeds | morning mozrat, all |
| 23:46.57 | George | Leeds: wethrin is a lazy bastard who refused to help me with a physics coursework |
| 23:47.46 | Leeds | George: you're a lazy bastard who needs a poor ivory tower dweller to help with a-level physics? |
| 23:47.55 | George | it wasn't my coursework |
| 23:48.12 | Leeds | then whose was it??? |
| 23:48.22 | George | that is irrelevant |
| 23:48.30 | George | what's relevant is that wethrin is lazy |
| 23:49.15 | George | wethrin: you lazy bum |
| 23:51.59 | George | wethrin: btw |
| 23:52.09 | George | wethrin: is it possible to change course if I choose durham? |
| 23:52.18 | wethrin | yes |
| 23:52.22 | George | wethrin: because I've got an offer for compsci, but I'd want to change to natsci (cs+maths) |
| 23:52.36 | George | wethrin: as I didn't realise that they did joint honours like that |
| 23:52.52 | wethrin | they do |
| 23:53.03 | George | yes |
| 23:53.04 | George | blah |
| 23:53.08 | George | so I can just switch? |
| 23:53.12 | George | are there any catches? |
| 23:53.18 | wethrin | pretty much |
| 23:53.22 | wethrin | not sure |
| 23:53.30 | George | hrmm |
| 23:53.31 | George | ok |
| 23:53.33 | George | interesting |
| 23:53.43 | George | how theoretical is the cs course at durham? |
| 23:53.55 | Leeds | George: durham??? |
| 23:54.04 | George | Leeds: it's a place in england |
| 23:55.17 | wethrin | George: I don't know |
| 23:55.26 | George | wethrin: you really are useless |
| 23:55.31 | wethrin | Why? |
| 23:55.34 | Leeds | what made you open your mind? |
| 23:55.35 | wethrin | I'm not an undergrad here |
| 23:55.42 | George | wethrin: first you can't do a gcse physics coursework, and now you don't know about the cs course? useless sod! |
| 23:55.50 | wethrin | I'm not doing CS, am I? |
| 23:55.55 | wethrin | I'm doing a real subject |
| 23:56.00 | Leeds | for what it's worth, I changed my application to cs/economics joint honours after applying to uni |
| 23:56.38 | AngelChild | roofs |
| 23:56.38 | George | wethrin: what are you doing? |
| 23:56.38 | wethrin | George: I'm an Engineer, building organic transistors |
| 23:56.38 | wethrin | so it's a chemistry/Physics/engineering cross |
| 23:56.38 | George | harharhar |
| 23:57.47 | wethrin | And I'm not doing the Physics coursework because I should /not/ be doing it |
| 23:57.59 | George | wethrin: if you abstract cs enough you get to a real subject :) |
| 23:58.21 | wethrin | pff :-P |
| 23:58.28 | George | it's called "maths" |
| 23:58.28 | George | :P |
| 23:58.37 | wethrin | Not pure maths |
