irclog2html for #gllug on 20051125

`00:00.53`	`wethrin`	`HMM`
`00:00.59`	`George`	`WHAT?`
`00:01.06`	`wethrin`	`Don't do it!`
`00:01.08`	`George`	`what are you suggesting fatso?`
`00:01.25`	`wethrin`	`That you shouldn't do other people's coursework for them`
`00:01.41`	`George`	`I couldn't help myself`
`00:01.54`	`George`	`I'm too kind`
`00:02.19`	`wethrin`	`Uhhuh. Sure.`
`00:02.28`	`George`	`it's true`
`00:02.52`	`wethrin`	`hj`
`00:02.55`	`George`	`hj?`
`00:03.03`	`wethrin`	`hm`
`00:03.30`	`George`	`what?`
`00:04.00`	`wethrin`	`Nothign`
`00:52.19`	`George`	`lol`
`00:54.39`	`wethrin`	`good plan`
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`01:59.58`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`07:29.01`	`*** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc)`
`07:29.17`	`morsing`	`'morning all (that is awake)`
`07:36.42`	`Leeds`	`hello`
`07:36.51`	`morsing`	`Leeds! You're up!`
`07:39.10`	`Leeds`	`sometimes, yes`
`07:40.16`	`Leeds`	`so when were you planning to come to HK then?`
`07:40.26`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Possibly in 2006`
`07:40.35`	`morsing`	`I need to convince wethrin!`
`07:40.38`	`morsing`	`ibot wake wethrin`
`07:40.40`	`ibot`	`wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`07:41.02`	`Leeds`	`okay...`
`07:41.15`	`Leeds`	`ooh, it's snowing in Wales`
`07:41.47`	`morsing`	`Is it?`
`07:41.55`	`morsing`	`Can I get home tonight?`
`07:42.08`	`Leeds`	`are you planning to go to Wales tonight?`
`07:52.17`	`Cope`	`good morning`
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`07:56.14`	`Leeds`	`hey Cope, Blapto`
`07:56.24`	`Cope`	`hi Blapto`
`07:56.43`	`Blapto`	`Hi Leeds, Cope`
`07:57.04`	`Blapto`	`I got bored and installed gentoo`
`07:59.46`	`Blapto`	`Leeds, whereabouts are you in the world?`
`07:59.56`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: Hong Kong`
`08:01.07`	`Blapto`	`Oooh, get into airsoft`
`08:01.16`	`Leeds`	`airsoft?`
`08:01.19`	`Blapto`	`It's fun and quite popular there. Perhaps called "wargaming"`
`08:01.31`	`Blapto`	`Basically, grown men running around shooting each other with BB guns`
`08:01.33`	`Leeds`	`ah... people are looking at putting a paintball day together`
`08:01.39`	`Blapto`	`but the BB guns are very very cool.`
`08:01.44`	`Blapto`	`www.wgcshop.com`
`08:02.21`	`Blapto`	`sniper rifles, fully automatic assault rifles, gas powered shotguns, pistols, the works. It's fun.`
`08:02.28`	`Leeds`	`honestly, I like the idea of paintball better`
`08:03.15`	`Cope`	`i played paintball - it was quite fun`
`08:03.35`	`Cope`	`but difficult... by which I mean difficult to play properly / strategically`
`08:04.15`	`Leeds`	`rather than just running around and shooting (expensively) at anything which moves?`
`08:04.28`	`Leeds`	`anyway, the paintball setup here is indoor - I'm not sure if that's a good thing`
`08:04.32`	`Blapto`	`the main difference between paintball and airsoft is that airsoft uses fully automatic weapons with a longer range.`
`08:04.40`	`morsing`	`Leeds: How's the running going?`
`08:04.59`	`morsing`	`Blapto: Paintball is fully automatic as well`
`08:05.10`	`Blapto`	`but yeah, in either game, a team of 8 people who work together will destroy just about anybody :).`
`08:05.27`	`Blapto`	`morsing: really? Any site I've played on has only allowed semi auto markers`
`08:05.49`	`morsing`	`Blapto: Both the times I've playing it's been fully automatic`
`08:06.23`	`Leeds`	`morsing: I'm not running so much, but my leg is largely working again... I really need to get into an exercise routing`
`08:06.27`	`Leeds`	`routine!`
`08:06.43`	`Blapto`	`Leeds: get a sniper rifle then!`
`08:07.26`	`Leeds`	`because sniping is a good way to lose weight?`
`08:07.48`	`Blapto`	`Or a support weapon. Because it means you don't have to move once you've found a good position.`
`08:09.21`	`Blapto`	`Good luck`
`08:11.51`	`morsing`	`Do you people normally handwrite html pages?`
`08:14.03`	`Blapto`	`I do, but they're never anything special.`
`08:16.23`	`morsing`	`Ok`
`08:17.33`	`Blapto`	`Once I used a table. That was exciting.`
`08:20.04`	`Leeds`	`I've been learning css and javascript recently`
`08:27.05`	`Leeds`	`and swearing much at the crapness of IE compared with firefox`
`08:39.47`	`Leeds`	`according to the Inland Revenue, I am not resident in the UK for tax purposes during 2005/2006, which is nice`
`08:44.50`	`Cope`	`blimey there's a lot in the kernel`
`08:45.19`	`Cope`	`what a lot of stuff!`
`08:46.23`	`Leeds`	`how complete complete?`
`08:46.39`	`Leeds`	`there is a very large number of conditional options hidden away...`
`08:46.55`	`Leeds`	`switching on one option could reveal 10s more`
`08:47.57`	`Cope`	`Leeds: yes... I went through each line, checking what was below it, and reading the help!`
`08:48.05`	`Cope`	`well... scanning quickly`
`08:48.30`	`Cope`	`toggling things on and off to see what else it revealed`
`08:48.46`	`Cope`	`realised quite how much stuff I had in my kernel that I will never use`
`08:49.00`	`Leeds`	`cool :-)`
`08:49.24`	`Cope`	`doubt it will make an appreciable differenece to anything other than compile time though ;)`
`08:49.43`	`Cope`	`oooh an resuDaed`
`08:49.45`	`Cope`	`nooo`
`08:49.46`	`Cope`	`an rhowe`
`08:49.51`	`rhowe`	`Went to greece & caught a cold :P`
`08:49.54`	`Cope`	`lol`
`08:49.56`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: ah, you're back`
`08:50.00`	`Cope`	`welcome back!`
`08:50.04`	`Cope`	`3 cheers for rhowe !`
`08:50.06`	`rhowe`	`cold & wet here, with some wind for good measure`
`08:50.08`	`rhowe`	`back?`
`08:50.10`	`rhowe`	`I'm still here :P`
`08:50.20`	`Cope`	`here in greece? or here in london?`
`08:50.23`	`Cope`	`bah`
`08:50.42`	`Cope`	`we miss you`
`08:50.44`	`Cope`	`come back`
`08:51.45`	`rhowe`	`in time, in time`
`08:51.56`	`rhowe`	`should be back on saturday night`
`08:53.04`	`Leeds`	`on the other hand, might mean I'm not entitled to ISAs`
`08:54.14`	`rhowe`	`https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310264`
`08:54.16`	`rhowe`	`POS email client`
`08:55.38`	`Cope`	`ISAs?`
`08:56.07`	`rhowe`	`Individual Savings Accounts`
`08:56.58`	`Leeds`	`tax-free`
`08:58.43`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: to be fair - works in the released version, fails in the unreleased and unfinished version? not ideal, but not exactly POS`
`09:00.13`	`Leeds`	`I'm just trying to work out what should legally happen if I want to ship some cash from HK to UK`
`09:03.39`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: True, but irritating nontheless :)`
`09:05.10`	`Cope`	`Leeds: well, ship me some cash, and we'll find out... ;)`
`09:05.28`	`Leeds`	`Cope: other way around matey`
`09:05.34`	`Cope`	`hehe`
`09:09.27`	`Leeds`	`"how many sums would a checksum check if a checksum could check sums"`
`09:13.39`	`mozrat`	`GOOD MORNING`
`09:14.18`	`Cope`	`hello mozrat`
`09:15.31`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`09:16.36`	`mozrat`	`heh`
`09:16.37`	`Leeds`	`boudicca: xchat on Linux and it's 1716`
`09:17.07`	`Cope`	`or even blapto ... who appears to have left`
`09:17.50`	`Leeds`	`blapto left about half an hour ago`
`09:18.10`	`Leeds`	`I hope you're all wrapping up warm today!`
`09:20.22`	`Cope`	`mozrat: ah it was mendelssohn....`
`09:24.07`	`mozrat`	`Cope, @work today?`
`09:24.39`	`mozrat`	`oh good`
`09:26.58`	`ufo_`	`morning :)`
`09:27.02`	`mozrat`	`Morning!`
`09:29.06`	`Leeds`	`I'd say 4 unless you know there's something in 5 you need`
`09:33.34`	`boudicca`	`Leeds; just trying to work out where in the world you are :)`
`09:34.14`	`Leeds`	`boudicca: same as usualy`
`09:34.22`	`mozrat`	`In a former British Colony that hasn't been threatened by either Spain or Argentina`
`09:34.36`	`Leeds`	`not a Colony`
`09:34.41`	`mozrat`	`no?`
`09:34.47`	`Cope`	`dependency`
`09:34.51`	`mozrat`	`ah`
`09:35.01`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`09:35.01`	`boudicca`	`Leeds; i thought at first [from your nick] that you were either in Kent or in the midlands, now i see that you're in hong kong :)`
`09:35.25`	`Leeds`	`territory is usually the word used`
`09:35.33`	`Leeds`	`nowadays, anyway`
`09:35.38`	`Leeds`	`boudicca: why the midlands???`
`09:35.52`	`Leeds`	`Cope: the op or the loader? :-)`
`09:35.56`	`Cope`	`;)`
`09:36.02`	`boudicca`	`Leeds; town/city called 'Leeds'`
`09:36.09`	`Cope`	`i often forget to run lilo, then wonder why a change doesn't take effect`
`09:36.19`	`Leeds`	`boudicca: there is no town/city called Leeds in the Midlands`
`09:36.49`	`boudicca`	`Leeds; its up north, and north of the watford gap, and i'm still waking up :)`
`09:37.07`	`boudicca`	`geography was never my strong point`
`09:37.09`	`mozrat`	`Whippets!`
`09:37.44`	`morsing`	`Cope: It's quite an important one!`
`09:37.54`	`Leeds`	`I've never worked out which came first - the name or the station`
`09:38.00`	`Cope`	`I often wonder whether people think watford == watford gap, when in reallity they're miles apart`
`09:38.14`	`Cope`	`watford gap is nearly northampton`
`09:38.34`	`Leeds`	`watford gap is about 80 miles up the M1`
`09:39.56`	`Cope`	`despite ensureing that CONFIG_FB_VESA=y`
`09:40.17`	`Cope`	`I now appear to have a 640x480 framebufferm which is a bit stupid`
`09:42.01`	`Leeds`	`if you have a framebuffer console at all (as opposed to a text-only one), it's down to boot options as to what you get`
`09:42.28`	`Cope`	`Leeds: yes...`
`09:42.37`	`Cope`	`which is why I just re-ran lilo`
`09:42.56`	`Cope`	`# grep vga /etc/lilo.conf`
`09:42.57`	`Cope`	`vga = 773`
`09:47.44`	`Cope`	`Leeds: i currently have what looks like a completely normal non-fb console, with a big penguin in the top-left - ie a low-resolution fb console`
`09:48.48`	`Cope`	`hmm wonder what CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C does`
`09:49.47`	`Cope`	`in menuconfig`
`09:50.17`	`stephen`	`i2c is the subsystem used by lm_sensors to obtain information about your hardware, like temperature, fan speed etc.`
`09:51.01`	`Cope`	`right... so nothing to do with framebuffers`
`09:51.20`	`Cope`	`well.. other than monitoring it`
`09:51.29`	`stephen`	`I suspect not`
`09:52.51`	`Cope`	`then why might I no-longer have a decent resolution fb console`
`09:53.02`	`Cope`	`comparing my old config and new config`
`09:53.47`	`Cope`	`all I did was remove the modules pertaining to cards I don't have`
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`09:57.14`	`Cope`	`i wish i understood diff output`
`09:57.52`	`kbsingh`	`morning`
`09:58.09`	`morsing`	`kbsingh!`
`09:59.12`	`Leeds`	`i2c is a low-bandwidth serial bus`
`09:59.53`	`Leeds`	`used for things like hardware sensors - but also used for things like controlling the tuners on (at least some) TV cards`
`09:59.56`	`morsing`	`Leeds: How do I figure out which I2C drivers to enable for my hardware?`
`10:00.36`	`Leeds`	`I think there's a detect script, which pretty much just tries to load all the drivers until one sticks`
`10:04.37`	`Leeds`	`argh, IE sucks so badly`
`10:05.15`	`Leeds`	`from a friend, in email: Gotta go - I've got to run a training session on why should we use our database. I thought it was obvious, because I say so :-) "`
`10:07.43`	`Cope`	`right... narrowed it down: curent config has:`
`10:07.44`	`Cope`	`CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=y`
`10:07.44`	`Cope`	`# CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C is not set`
`10:07.45`	`Cope`	`# CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG is not set`
`10:07.52`	`Cope`	`and the old one had:`
`10:08.00`	`Cope`	`CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=m`
`10:08.00`	`Cope`	`CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C=y`
`10:08.01`	`Cope`	`CONFIG_FB_RIVA=m`
`10:08.14`	`Cope`	`umm...`
`10:08.37`	`Cope`	`not quite..`
`10:09.00`	`Cope`	`that debug should read: CONFIG_FB_RIVA=y`
`10:09.22`	`Leeds`	`I wonder if it's failing to work because I'm attaching the newly-created TR element to the TABLE element, not the virtual TBODY element sitting below it`
`10:09.24`	`Cope`	`so ie - the new one has yes instead on modules; and the old one had I2C set`
`10:09.42`	`Cope`	`Leeds: highly likely to impact my kernel, I agree.`
`10:10.16`	`Cope`	`are you really not allowed to edit .config by hand?`
`10:10.21`	`Leeds`	`if you're only trying to do VESA, none of that should really matter`
`10:10.46`	`Leeds`	`I think the main problem with editing .config is that there are serious dependency trees going on, and you could very easily break them`
`10:10.54`	`Cope`	`well my graphics card is an nvidia riva one, which does fb, i think`
`10:11.12`	`Cope`	`vesa settings are the same`
`10:11.18`	`Leeds`	`ah, yes... appending the new element to TBODY works in both firefox and IE`
`10:11.22`	`Cope`	`yay!`
`10:11.39`	`Leeds`	`you're not going to get very far with your console being a module, I'd think`
`10:11.48`	`Cope`	`hrm`
`10:11.52`	`Cope`	`but the old one worked`
`10:11.59`	`Cope`	`i think`
`10:12.18`	`Leeds`	`you think? YOU THINK? I don't pay you to think!!!`
`10:12.21`	`Cope`	`well it did - but I may not be looking at the old config you you mention it`
`10:13.11`	`Cope`	`bah I don't know`
`10:13.14`	`Cope`	`why is this hard!`
`10:13.20`	`Leeds`	`it shouldn't be`
`10:13.33`	`Leeds`	`if you see a penguin, you're doing framebuffer - then the issue is resolution`
`10:13.43`	`Leeds`	`if you're only doing VESA, you may be stuck at low res`
`10:14.03`	`Leeds`	`you can set the vga option to ask (check docs for precise details) to get a menu at boot time of available resolutions`
`10:14.05`	`Cope`	`Leeds: ok... so if I remove vesa it should use nvidia instead?`
`10:14.21`	`Leeds`	`you should probably only have one framebuffer console compiled in, yes`
`10:15.29`	`Cope`	`the original slack lilo.conf says VESA framebuffer 1024x768`
`10:16.33`	`Leeds`	`makes sense - that's the generic option`
`10:16.50`	`Cope`	`so that's what it had in mind... guess though that may not be what I got`
`10:19.44`	`Cope`	`Leeds: well vga=ask brings up normal 80x and 132x options - nothing looking like a fb`
`10:20.34`	`Leeds`	`strange`
`10:21.15`	`Leeds`	`are you aware of fbset?`
`10:21.38`	`Cope`	`ahahahaha`
`10:22.31`	`Cope`	`I had forgotten this is an agp card`
`10:22.49`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`10:22.50`	`Leeds`	`uh?`
`10:23.00`	`Leeds`	`vga=ask isn't what you want, but you know that`
`10:23.00`	`Cope`	`well i wasn't looking inside!`
`10:23.13`	`Cope`	`I do?`
`10:23.33`	`Cope`	`and no, I'm not aware of fbset`
`10:23.38`	`Leeds`	`well, it might be what you want`
`10:23.46`	`Leeds`	`try vga=ask`
`10:23.46`	`Cope`	`what wre you thinking of?`
`10:23.53`	`Cope`	`yeah that's what I have at present`
`10:24.00`	`Leeds`	`then choose 316 as the mode`
`10:24.07`	`Cope`	`ok`
`10:24.18`	`Leeds`	`you don't mind frying your card and/or monitor, right?`
`10:24.45`	`Cope`	`that would be not so good`
`10:25.46`	`Cope`	`it says 316 is an unknown mode anyway`
`10:26.04`	`Leeds`	`305`
`10:26.05`	`Leeds`	`?`
`10:26.34`	`Cope`	`it only seems to accept 0-c ie the list of shit modes - which it then ignores anyway`
`10:26.43`	`Leeds`	`0x316 maybe?`
`10:27.32`	`morsing`	`What's a scuttle?`
`10:28.20`	`Leeds`	`scuttle as a noun? dunno... I only know it as a verb... unless the noun is the action of scuttling`
`10:29.39`	`Leeds`	`morsing: to scuttle is to sink a boat on purpose`
`10:31.01`	`Leeds`	`hometime`
`10:33.34`	`Cope`	`brealfast`
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`11:09.55`	`morsing`	`skugg!`
`11:10.56`	`skugg`	`morsing`
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`11:21.50`	`morsing`	`JAV!`
`11:31.06`	`George`	`hi`
`11:31.09`	`George`	`moo I say`
`11:31.09`	`George`	`moo`
`11:31.13`	`George`	`with a large spanking of moos`
`11:36.26`	`mozrat`	`With regexp is there a way to "catch" all of a line up to the string you are searching for and do something with it?`
`11:37.03`	`mozrat`	`so if the string was "George said moo" and I regexed for "moo" can I dump the line up to that point somewhere that I can use it`
`11:39.16`	`Cope`	`grrrr`
`11:39.36`	`mozrat`	`morsing: but nothing in the regex language itself?`
`11:39.43`	`Cope`	`2.6.14.2 with vesa fb removed... still doesn't give me a 1024x768 framebuffer`
`11:39.47`	`Cope`	`gah gah gah`
`11:39.56`	`mozrat`	`It's for the question I posted to the mailing list`
`11:40.48`	`George`	`MOO`
`11:41.10`	`Cope`	`mozrat: to understand... this is a) on a per line basis b) you want everything before the start of the match?`
`11:41.18`	`mozrat`	`Cope, yes.`
`11:41.30`	`mozrat`	`I think I may be using the wrong tool for the job`
`11:42.14`	`Cope`	`mozrat: what are you using?`
`11:42.33`	`mozrat`	`body_checks in postfix to do string replacement in emails`
`11:42.42`	`Cope`	`ah ok`
`11:42.46`	`mozrat`	`at the moment it replaces the entire line of the email with my replacement`
`11:42.59`	`mozrat`	`I want it to replace just the word with the replacement and leave the rest of the line as is`
`11:43.01`	`Cope`	`i did see your post now you mention it`
`11:43.29`	`Cope`	`oh... that's different from what you asked isn't it?`
`11:43.45`	`mozrat`	`body_checks is fairly well documented but the replace function isn't - unless I'm trying to make it do something it doesn't`
`11:43.58`	`mozrat`	`Cope: no, thats basically what I asked`
`11:44.17`	`Cope`	`mozrat: i meant just noew with the george said moo exampke`
`11:44.48`	`mozrat`	`Cope: well - I was thinking in a regex mode now. Can that be done in regex and how...`
`11:44.56`	`mozrat`	`the language used by body_checks is pcre`
`11:45.04`	`Cope`	`ah ok...`
`11:45.39`	`George`	`blah.`
`11:46.39`	`Cope`	`mozrat: I am sure it can be done... and I think I've seen it in a sed example somewhere`
`11:46.55`	`Cope`	`mozrat: of course in python we'd just use something like lookahead`
`11:46.59`	`mozrat`	`Cope: :)`
`11:50.09`	`Cope`	`>>> re.findall(r"^(.*)(?:moo)", "George said moo")`
`11:50.09`	`Cope`	`['George said ']`
`11:50.26`	`mozrat`	`nice`
`11:52.56`	`Cope`	`not that that helps in anyway`
`11:53.03`	`Cope`	`unless you want to rewrite procmail in python`
`11:53.59`	`mozrat`	`Cope: doesn't touch procmail - this is a mail gateway so the mail should stay within the MTA`
`11:53.59`	`mozrat`	`it's a gateway to rewrite email`
`11:54.05`	`Cope`	`to take naughty words out?`
`11:54.37`	`mozrat`	`heh - kinda. A company has rebranded and they want to rewrite Lotus Notes addresses to mask the old Domino certifier name`
`11:58.45`	`mozrat`	`so when I run a mail through this rule the word I'm searching for is held in $1`
`12:06.00`	`morsing`	`Beer`
`12:09.21`	`Cope`	`mozrat: sanelson@petrosian$ echo "Three blind mice" \| sed -e /mice/s/[[:space:]]*mice//`
`12:09.24`	`Cope`	`Three blind`
`12:09.50`	`mozrat`	`Cope, cheers`
`12:10.39`	`Cope`	`or...`
`12:13.34`	`Cope`	`add .* to the *mice for safety`
`12:18.27`	`mozrat`	`OK - I've managed to snarf one word before my query.. that is a start :)`
`12:19.02`	`mozrat`	`I can play with $1 (one word before the one I'm searching for )and $2 (the actual wod)`
`12:19.06`	`mozrat`	`word`
`12:20.33`	`Cope`	`w0rd`
`12:20.37`	`mozrat`	`homey`
`12:20.42`	`mozrat`	`respeck`
`12:22.25`	`mozrat`	`Cope - does this make sense to you`
`12:22.30`	`mozrat`	`my regex is this`
`12:22.34`	`mozrat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:22.55`	`mozrat`	`the word before "foobar" is contained in $1 and foobar is contained in $2`
`12:23.11`	`George`	`I hate physics coursework`
`12:23.17`	`wethrin`	`Hello!`
`12:23.21`	`mozrat`	`how can I modify (\w+) to catch the entire line up until that point`
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`12:24.50`	`Cope`	`mozrat: not sure on pcre, but in, eg, sed, all I did was to say 'everything, including any kind of white space, before mice'`
`12:25.02`	`Cope`	`or before mice and there after:`
`12:25.07`	`mozrat`	`Cope, oh I see`
`12:25.13`	`mozrat`	`let me try your example`
`12:25.21`	`Cope`	`[[:space:]]foobar.`
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`12:49.44`	`George`	`ok, coursework is finished`
`12:49.46`	`George`	`blargh`
`12:49.47`	`George`	`blargh I say`
`12:49.48`	`Cope`	`hoorah`
`12:50.00`	`wethrin`	`yay`
`12:50.02`	`George`	`I found my AS coursework from last year :D`
`12:50.05`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`12:50.07`	`George`	`http://www.gwright.org.uk/phys.pdf`
`12:50.18`	`George`	`I managed to use the word "especial" in it`
`12:50.20`	`George`	`I rock.`
`12:50.35`	`wethrin`	`Mm. LaTeX`
`12:50.55`	`George`	`of course`
`12:51.48`	`mozrat`	`Cope. the line "/^(.+) foobar (.+)$/ replace $1 123 $2`
`12:51.49`	`mozrat`	`"`
`12:52.00`	`mozrat`	`replaces just the word foobar with the word 123`
`12:52.21`	`wethrin`	`heh. "Copper rods at 800C will be hot"`
`12:52.28`	`George`	`damn right :)`
`12:52.38`	`wethrin`	`I think you should stick a label onto the side :)`
`12:52.46`	`George`	`unfortunately examiners are idiots so you have to tell them these things explicitely`
`12:53.12`	`wethrin`	`Not at all. Examiners think the students are idiots, and therefore should show that they know things`
`12:53.14`	`George`	`I like my writing style though :)`
`12:54.18`	`wethrin`	`hmm`
`12:54.24`	`wethrin`	`You should have used 'thusly' instead of 'thus'`
`12:55.04`	`George`	`fuck you.`
`12:55.10`	`wethrin`	`No`
`12:55.15`	`wethrin`	`I don't swing that way`
`12:55.27`	`George`	`neither do I`
`12:55.46`	`wethrin`	`good`
`12:56.06`	`George`	`anyway`
`12:56.10`	`George`	`my writing style rocks`
`12:56.35`	`wethrin`	`uhhuh`
`12:56.37`	`wethrin`	`riight`
`12:57.55`	`George`	`I like its pomposity`
`12:57.58`	`George`	`in a subtle way`
`12:58.16`	`wethrin`	`Right. I'm off to the pub, and then to Edinburgh for the weekend`
`12:58.18`	`wethrin`	`Bye!`
`12:58.23`	`George`	`you useless bastard`
`12:58.35`	`wethrin`	`but whisky!`
`12:58.42`	`wethrin`	`I shall be drinking lots of lovely whisky`
`12:58.58`	`George`	`ewww`
`12:59.04`	`George`	`bloody lunatic`
`12:59.07`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`12:59.08`	`wethrin`	`bye!`
`12:59.10`	`George`	`I don't see the point in drinking aqueous ethanol`
`12:59.16`	`wethrin`	`It's lovely`
`12:59.21`	`George`	`no it's not`
`12:59.22`	`George`	`it's horrid`
`12:59.24`	`George`	`and ghastly`
`12:59.26`	`wethrin`	`It is. You're just wong.`
`12:59.27`	`wethrin`	`*wrong`
`12:59.29`	`wethrin`	`So I leave. Bye!`
`12:59.33`	`George`	`no, I'm wright`
`12:59.35`	`George`	`you imbecile`
`12:59.45`	`George`	`:)`
`13:06.45`	`Cope`	`more tea!`
`13:31.33`	`morsing`	`beer`
`13:39.56`	`George`	`FOD`
`13:39.58`	`George`	`FOOD`
`13:39.59`	`George`	`DOOF`
`13:40.00`	`George`	`DOF`
`13:54.21`	`George`	`yes minister is great`
`13:56.40`	`mozrat`	`George: yes it is..`
`13:56.54`	`mozrat`	`I miss "gentle" comedy.. Dad's Army, Yes Minister`
`13:57.10`	`mozrat`	`seeing projectile vomiting on Little Britain last night isn't quite the same`
`13:57.26`	`George`	`it's intelligent comedy :P`
`14:08.02`	`gregj`	`George: what is that "minister", for a moment I thought you've said minster`
`14:11.11`	`Jango`	`so, George has finally copped it :/`
`14:13.32`	`gregj`	`:>`
`14:14.03`	`JAV`	`good afternoon!`
`14:18.27`	`JAV`	`ok, it rains a lot. Not so good`
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`14:28.30`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Sarrat`
`14:29.50`	`morsing`	`Reformatting split(1), please wait...`
`14:56.25`	`Cope`	`morsing: yes, I quite agree; gentle, subtle, funny humour; its not necessary to be raucous and rude to be funny.`
`14:56.29`	`Cope`	`mozrat: you too.`
`14:59.58`	`Cope`	`oh... hoorah George Best is dead`
`15:00.04`	`Cope`	`about bloody time`
`15:00.09`	`Cope`	`ungrateful twat`
`15:04.47`	`mozrat`	`Cope, I don't totally disagree with you. Sorry to see someone shuffle off this mortal coil but he had more opportunities than most`
`15:07.42`	`mozrat`	`more than I or you would ever get if we abused our bodies so terribly - he had all the warnings he wanted`
`15:08.23`	`Cope`	`yeah`
`15:08.44`	`Cope`	`it just annoys me that someone probably died because they weren't famous enough to get the transplant they needed`
`15:08.51`	`mozrat`	`so... farewell, but... I won't be having a drink for you (despite the irony)`
`15:09.03`	`Cope`	`and he goes and wastes the second chance that someone else would have, well, died for.`
`15:09.19`	`Cope`	`just makes me sad and angry.`
`15:27.27`	`kbsingh`	`anyone with a min, what do you guys think of this : http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=2281567&subid=9495624&type=`
`15:27.52`	`kbsingh`	`its possible I could get a $25 discount for not buying with XP Home ( makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for not paying a MS Tax )`
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`15:29.21`	`morsing`	`Cope, mozrat: So does this mean you don't like the office?`
`15:33.36`	`Cope`	`morsing: no, not that I dislike such things, just that its a shame we don't seem to produce that older, subtler, gentler comedy that we were once famous for.`
`15:33.38`	`Leeds`	`evening all`
`15:33.43`	`Cope`	`hello Leeds`
`15:34.00`	`morsing`	`Cope: Hmm...`
`15:34.25`	`morsing`	`Hi Leeds`
`15:35.53`	`mozrat`	`morsing: I like the office but that is still clever comedy in some ways`
`15:36.02`	`mozrat`	`it is subtle, and you have to "get the joke"`
`15:36.14`	`mozrat`	`the joke in Little Britain is literally vomited all over you`
`15:36.45`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: the main problem with the Oficce is that it's just not funny...`
`15:37.44`	`Leeds`	`hi morsing`
`15:40.13`	`Leeds`	`"trying to turn Fairy Liquid back into a solid"`
`15:42.21`	`gregj`	`I have all DVDs`
`15:47.48`	`Cope`	`wow!`
`15:47.55`	`Cope`	`you must have a lot of space`
`15:50.12`	`morsing`	`Cope: :-D`
`15:51.53`	`Cope`	`select all from entertainment.movies where media = 'dvd';`
`15:52.21`	`Cope`	`in fact no... not just movies`
`16:00.13`	`morsing`	`wethrin:`
`16:00.14`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:02.33`	`mozrat`	`Happy Saturday Leeds`
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`16:03.26`	`Cope`	`why do these people insist on running their machines with unpatched kernels for so long?`
`16:04.00`	`Cope`	`oh I know... I'll just ignore the 27157 security announcements, because its 'hard' to have a big uptime.`
`16:05.27`	`IAmAI`	`Hewo.`
`16:05.43`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: thank you, and welcome to the weekend`
`16:05.58`	`IAmAI`	`Weekend doesn't start until 5:30`
`16:06.09`	`IAmAI`	`At least.`
`16:06.38`	`morsing`	`Cope: I do the same. Can't face a reboot :-)`
`16:08.46`	`Leeds`	`IAmAI: it's Saturday here :-)`
`16:08.57`	`IAmAI`	`You crazy Chinese.`
`16:09.02`	`IAmAI`	`:P`
`16:09.13`	`IAmAI`	`Always out of sync when it comes to time!`
`16:10.44`	`Leeds`	`I'm not Chinese - I'm a gwailo`
`16:13.50`	`Cope`	`morsing: hehe, i belong to the school of thought which says its not bad to reboot, and in many cases its good :)`
`16:14.28`	`Cope`	`that said our dns servers were up for 1700 days before I rebooted them this summer....`
`16:16.49`	`mozrat`	`Cope, did they come straight back up?`
`16:16.56`	`Cope`	`yep`
`16:17.00`	`mozrat`	`heh - nice`
`16:17.07`	`IAmAI`	`kbhqsdfjkeh2]`
`16:17.32`	`Cope`	`mozrat: 4 x solaris 8 boxes - or maybe even solaris 7; running bind 8.`
`16:17.33`	`mozrat`	`I agree that uptime wars are impressive, but ultimately not very good for the health of the server`
`16:17.42`	`mozrat`	`I'd rather know that a server would reboot correctly if I had to do it`
`16:17.47`	`Cope`	`mmm`
`16:18.14`	`mozrat`	`rebooting for rebooting's sake is not good, but skipping kernel updates etc for the sake of uptime is folly`
`16:18.37`	`Cope`	`quite`
`16:22.10`	`highbury`	`of course if you running graphical machines, then regular reboots still seem to be required :-(`
`16:25.36`	`mozrat`	`highbury: yes`
`16:27.37`	`morsing`	`Cope :-(`
`16:32.44`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`16:34.15`	`mozrat`	`Hmm, hundreds of drivers caught in a closed road on the Bodmin moor`
`16:34.29`	`mozrat`	`I know that road well - My parents have a home near there`
`16:34.41`	`mozrat`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4469720.stm`
`16:36.51`	`morsing`	`How does this happen every year!`
`16:40.10`	`mozrat`	`Something to do with the rotation of the earth`
`16:41.05`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Which wipes out people memory and intelligence?`
`16:41.29`	`morsing`	`Maybe cold air make the human brain slower?`
`16:41.40`	`mozrat`	`heh - I think the problem is that we just don't get consistantly cold enough weather`
`16:41.54`	`mozrat`	`we don't get into the winter mentality`
`16:42.13`	`mozrat`	`for example I nor anyone I know owns "winter tyres"`
`16:42.23`	`mozrat`	`as it isn't cold enough to use them`
`16:42.29`	`skugg`	`heh.`
`16:42.47`	`mozrat`	`skugg: yep :)`
`16:43.00`	`Cope`	`chains!`
`16:43.00`	`mozrat`	`skugg: Whereabouts in Norway are/were you from?`
`16:43.10`	`skugg`	`hang on..`
`16:43.41`	`morsing`	`mozrat: I do!`
`16:43.55`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Yes is it! a common misunderstanding!`
`16:43.58`	`mozrat`	`morsing: when are you going to fit them`
`16:44.07`	`morsing`	`Wintertyres is for temperatures below 7 degrees`
`16:44.23`	`morsing`	`mozrat: So between October and march`
`16:44.29`	`skugg`	`http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/lgcolor/nocolor.htm # close to Alesund on that map`
`16:44.36`	`mozrat`	`yep - aren't they dangerous at warmer temperatures?`
`16:44.37`	`Cope`	`mmm Ale`
`16:45.00`	`skugg`	`mozrat: not dangerous, just less comfortable and noisy :)`
`16:45.04`	`morsing`	`mozrat: No. Less dangerous than summer tyres in this weather`
`16:45.22`	`skugg`	`dangerous to the environment though (if you've got the type with spikes)`
`16:45.23`	`morsing`	`skugg: Not snow tyres, wintertyres!`
`16:45.24`	`mozrat`	`skugg: Cool - I've been to Voss, Bergen and Trondhiem`
`16:45.33`	`skugg`	`creates a lot of dust`
`16:45.33`	`mozrat`	`nice country - if not a little on the cold side`
`16:45.42`	`morsing`	`skugg: Wintertyres never have dpikes`
`16:45.53`	`skugg`	`my parents have 50cm of snow/sleet at the moment`
`16:46.19`	`skugg`	`morsing: we call them 'all year tyres' if they don't have spikes...`
`16:46.23`	`skugg`	`winter tyres have spikes ;)`
`16:46.32`	`George`	`Cope: what?`
`16:46.49`	`morsing`	`skugg: No - all weather tyres is a compromise between winter and summer tyres`
`16:47.02`	`morsing`	`Snow tyres and winter tyres are not the same thing`
`16:47.32`	`Cope`	`George: when did you last patch your kernel?`
`16:47.38`	`Cope`	`George: 264 days ago?`
`16:47.42`	`Cope`	`or so.....`
`16:47.50`	`George`	`something like that`
`16:48.00`	`Cope`	`and you're running 2.6 I guess`
`16:48.02`	`George`	`yes`
`16:48.13`	`Cope`	`internet facing?`
`16:48.17`	`George`	`yes`
`16:48.21`	`Cope`	`brave`
`16:48.37`	`George`	`I can't be arsed to reboot it`
`16:48.40`	`George`	`too much hassle`
`16:48.42`	`Cope`	`lol`
`16:48.52`	`Cope`	`does it have a ups?`
`16:49.06`	`George`	`yes`
`16:49.11`	`Cope`	`ace!`
`16:49.17`	`Cope`	`ups++`
`16:49.21`	`Cope`	`not the parcel company`
`16:50.21`	`George`	`heh`
`16:50.27`	`George`	`it's a 1200VA or something`
`16:50.28`	`George`	`I think`
`16:50.48`	`George`	`sends a shutdown signal to the pootah when the power goes and the battery level is low`
`16:50.56`	`Cope`	`nice`
`16:51.01`	`Cope`	`expensve?`
`16:51.07`	`George`	`120 quid or so`
`16:51.18`	`Cope`	`not bad`
`16:51.22`	`Cope`	`i want an external array`
`16:51.24`	`skugg`	`morsing: hmmm... actually, when I think about it, a snow tyre is a winter tyre, but not necessarily the other way around. we call snow tyres 'spike tyres' (or piggdekk) though.`
`16:51.29`	`mozrat`	`Can't be arsed to reboot it??`
`16:51.38`	`skugg`	`s,necessarily,,`
`16:51.45`	`George`	`Cope: it's one of them belkin things. innit.`
`16:51.58`	`skugg`	`mozrat: translated: he thinks himself too cool to reboot it.`
`16:52.04`	`mozrat`	`skugg: ahh`
`16:52.18`	`eye69`	`skugg: Well, there are spikeless winter tyres, that are useless on summer roads.`
`16:52.28`	`skugg`	`eye69: right.`
`16:52.46`	`skugg`	`all-year tyres are something else again (and useless where my parents live)`
`16:53.21`	`skugg`	`you can get away with unspiked winter tyres, generally, only if someone else is using spiked tyres...`
`16:53.24`	`eye69`	`skugg: All-year tyres are generally used on big SUV's and such.`
`16:53.51`	`morsing`	`skugg: All-year tyres are always useless`
`16:54.00`	`Cope`	`invariably`
`16:54.17`	`Cope`	`oh... apart from in england, when they're absolutely fine.`
`16:54.23`	`Cope`	`so not always.`
`16:54.30`	`morsing`	`Wintertyres and summer tyres have different temperature characteristics`
`16:54.37`	`morsing`	`Nothing to do with snow`
`16:54.55`	`Cope`	`i would like to visit norway, and indeed sweden`
`16:55.06`	`morsing`	`Norway sucks - Sweden is cool`
`16:55.06`	`Cope`	`I have a friend in tromso and some friends in gothenberg`
`16:55.11`	`skugg`	`morsing: not really; they are useful for people that live in the southern parts and don't need the car to get anywhere all the time, but can chose to drive only when weather allows it in the winter`
`16:55.26`	`George`	`Cope: I'm awesome?`
`16:55.43`	`skugg`	`you cannot do that with straight summer tyres because they are illegal in the winter, regardless of the conditions...`
`16:56.07`	`skugg`	`so, they have their uses. but not for actually getting anywhere on snow, no ;)`
`16:56.53`	`Cope`	`George: indeed you are`
`16:57.00`	`George`	`Cope: says who?`
`16:57.14`	`Cope`	`George: secret`
`16:57.22`	`George`	`Cope: ok..`
`16:57.23`	`George`	`you're odd.`
`16:57.25`	`Cope`	`;)`
`16:58.32`	`mozrat`	`The only vehicle to be seen driving in the snow is this baby >> http://tinyurl.com/8r3xv`
`16:58.52`	`morsing`	`skugg: Well, I'm always told I'm being stupid when using summer/winter tyres`
`16:59.14`	`Cope`	`well a combo would be odd`
`17:04.32`	`skugg`	`morsing: where?`
`17:13.08`	`morsing`	`skugg: On my car`
`17:19.47`	`skugg`	`obviously. i meant geographically, of course.`
`17:34.03`	`kbsingh`	`Cope, the Alpha is building OOo1.1.2`
`17:34.41`	`kbsingh`	`its now been building for 2 days, 3 hrs, 19 min`
`17:34.47`	`Cope`	`:(`
`17:35.05`	`Cope`	`horrid OOo`
`17:35.38`	`kbsingh`	`its going to have a busy weekend...`
`17:42.44`	`George`	`what time does royal mail normally deliver?`
`18:50.10`	`mozrat`	`foo!`
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`19:02.17`	`Cope`	`ello mozrat`
`19:09.17`	`mozrat`	`allo`
`19:09.59`	`mozrat`	`when you get your O2 what are you going to put on it?`
`19:10.06`	`mozrat`	`I think FBSD`
`19:10.34`	`Cope`	`netbsd I expect`
`19:12.20`	`mozrat`	`i see`
`19:16.07`	`Cope`	`you do?`
`19:44.38`	`George`	`does exponential ALWAYS involve e?`
`19:44.41`	`George`	`as in, 2.71?`
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`21:23.55`	`JAV`	`evening!`
`21:25.46`	`George`	`hi.`
`22:41.27`	`George`	`I hate it when keyboards get they shinyness to them`
`22:41.30`	`George`	`and you can't get rid of it`
`23:08.52`	`Cope`	`try a metal file`
`23:09.00`	`Cope`	`make them all rough again`
`23:09.39`	`highbury`	`I need to de-gunk my thinkpad keyboard and touchpad, too many keys keep sticking :-(`
`23:09.53`	`George`	`highbury: yes, I did notice how HIDEOUS your keyboard is`
`23:12.32`	`quinophex`	`George: glue little squares of rough sandpaper to your fingertips`
`23:13.01`	`George`	`I don't think I've actually worn down the key`
`23:13.02`	`George`	`I dunno`
`23:13.05`	`George`	`I hope I haven't`
`23:13.12`	`George`	`I'll put some alcohol on it and see what happens`
`23:19.45`	`George`	`ibot: nslookup flooble.org.uk`
`23:20.48`	`George`	`ibot nslookup gwright.org.yuk`
`23:20.50`	`George`	`ibot nslookup gwright.org.uk`

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