00:00.53 | wethrin | HMM |
00:00.59 | George | WHAT? |
00:01.06 | wethrin | Don't do it! |
00:01.08 | George | what are you suggesting fatso? |
00:01.25 | wethrin | That you shouldn't do other people's coursework for them |
00:01.41 | George | I couldn't help myself |
00:01.54 | George | I'm too kind |
00:02.19 | wethrin | Uhhuh. Sure. |
00:02.28 | George | it's true |
00:02.52 | wethrin | hj |
00:02.55 | George | hj? |
00:03.03 | wethrin | hm |
00:03.30 | George | what? |
00:04.00 | wethrin | Nothign |
00:52.19 | George | lol |
00:54.39 | wethrin | good plan |
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07:29.17 | morsing | 'morning all (that is awake) |
07:36.42 | Leeds | hello |
07:36.51 | morsing | Leeds! You're up! |
07:39.10 | Leeds | sometimes, yes |
07:40.16 | Leeds | so when were you planning to come to HK then? |
07:40.26 | morsing | Leeds: Possibly in 2006 |
07:40.35 | morsing | I need to convince wethrin! |
07:40.38 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
07:40.40 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
07:41.02 | Leeds | okay... |
07:41.15 | Leeds | ooh, it's snowing in Wales |
07:41.47 | morsing | Is it? |
07:41.55 | morsing | Can I get home tonight? |
07:42.08 | Leeds | are you planning to go to Wales tonight? |
07:52.17 | Cope | good morning |
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07:56.14 | Leeds | hey Cope, Blapto |
07:56.24 | Cope | hi Blapto |
07:56.43 | Blapto | Hi Leeds, Cope |
07:57.04 | Blapto | I got bored and installed gentoo |
07:59.46 | Blapto | Leeds, whereabouts are you in the world? |
07:59.56 | Leeds | Blapto: Hong Kong |
08:01.07 | Blapto | Oooh, get into airsoft |
08:01.16 | Leeds | airsoft? |
08:01.19 | Blapto | It's fun and quite popular there. Perhaps called "wargaming" |
08:01.31 | Blapto | Basically, grown men running around shooting each other with BB guns |
08:01.33 | Leeds | ah... people are looking at putting a paintball day together |
08:01.39 | Blapto | but the BB guns are very very cool. |
08:01.44 | Blapto | www.wgcshop.com |
08:02.21 | Blapto | sniper rifles, fully automatic assault rifles, gas powered shotguns, pistols, the works. It's fun. |
08:02.28 | Leeds | honestly, I like the idea of paintball better |
08:03.15 | Cope | i played paintball - it was quite fun |
08:03.35 | Cope | but difficult... by which I mean difficult to play properly / strategically |
08:04.15 | Leeds | rather than just running around and shooting (expensively) at anything which moves? |
08:04.28 | Leeds | anyway, the paintball setup here is indoor - I'm not sure if that's a good thing |
08:04.32 | Blapto | the main difference between paintball and airsoft is that airsoft uses fully automatic weapons with a longer range. |
08:04.40 | morsing | Leeds: How's the running going? |
08:04.59 | morsing | Blapto: Paintball is fully automatic as well |
08:05.10 | Blapto | but yeah, in either game, a team of 8 people who work together will destroy just about anybody :). |
08:05.27 | Blapto | morsing: really? Any site I've played on has only allowed semi auto markers |
08:05.49 | morsing | Blapto: Both the times I've playing it's been fully automatic |
08:06.23 | Leeds | morsing: I'm not running so much, but my leg is largely working again... I really need to get into an exercise routing |
08:06.27 | Leeds | routine! |
08:06.43 | Blapto | Leeds: get a sniper rifle then! |
08:07.26 | Leeds | because sniping is a good way to lose weight? |
08:07.48 | Blapto | Or a support weapon. Because it means you don't have to move once you've found a good position. |
08:09.21 | Blapto | Good luck |
08:11.51 | morsing | Do you people normally handwrite html pages? |
08:14.03 | Blapto | I do, but they're never anything special. |
08:16.23 | morsing | Ok |
08:17.33 | Blapto | Once I used a table. That was exciting. |
08:20.04 | Leeds | I've been learning css and javascript recently |
08:27.05 | Leeds | and swearing much at the crapness of IE compared with firefox |
08:39.47 | Leeds | according to the Inland Revenue, I am not resident in the UK for tax purposes during 2005/2006, which is nice |
08:44.50 | Cope | blimey there's a lot in the kernel |
08:45.19 | Cope | what a lot of stuff! |
08:46.23 | Leeds | how complete complete? |
08:46.39 | Leeds | there is a very large number of conditional options hidden away... |
08:46.55 | Leeds | switching on one option could reveal 10s more |
08:47.57 | Cope | Leeds: yes... I went through each line, checking what was below it, and reading the help! |
08:48.05 | Cope | well... scanning quickly |
08:48.30 | Cope | toggling things on and off to see what else it revealed |
08:48.46 | Cope | realised quite how much stuff I had in my kernel that I will never use |
08:49.00 | Leeds | cool :-) |
08:49.24 | Cope | doubt it will make an appreciable differenece to anything other than compile time though ;) |
08:49.43 | Cope | oooh an resuDaed |
08:49.45 | Cope | nooo |
08:49.46 | Cope | an rhowe |
08:49.51 | rhowe | Went to greece & caught a cold :P |
08:49.54 | Cope | lol |
08:49.56 | Leeds | rhowe: ah, you're back |
08:50.00 | Cope | welcome back! |
08:50.04 | Cope | 3 cheers for rhowe ! |
08:50.06 | rhowe | cold & wet here, with some wind for good measure |
08:50.08 | rhowe | back? |
08:50.10 | rhowe | I'm still here :P |
08:50.20 | Cope | here in greece? or here in london? |
08:50.23 | Cope | bah |
08:50.42 | Cope | we miss you |
08:50.44 | Cope | come back |
08:51.45 | rhowe | in time, in time |
08:51.56 | rhowe | should be back on saturday night |
08:53.04 | Leeds | on the other hand, might mean I'm not entitled to ISAs |
08:54.14 | rhowe | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310264 |
08:54.16 | rhowe | POS email client |
08:55.38 | Cope | ISAs? |
08:56.07 | rhowe | Individual Savings Accounts |
08:56.58 | Leeds | tax-free |
08:58.43 | Leeds | rhowe: to be fair - works in the released version, fails in the unreleased and unfinished version? not ideal, but not exactly POS |
09:00.13 | Leeds | I'm just trying to work out what should legally happen if I want to ship some cash from HK to UK |
09:03.39 | rhowe | Leeds: True, but irritating nontheless :) |
09:05.10 | Cope | Leeds: well, ship me some cash, and we'll find out... ;) |
09:05.28 | Leeds | Cope: other way around matey |
09:05.34 | Cope | hehe |
09:09.27 | Leeds | "how many sums would a checksum check if a checksum could check sums" |
09:13.39 | mozrat | GOOD MORNING |
09:14.18 | Cope | hello mozrat |
09:15.31 | mozrat | :) |
09:16.36 | mozrat | heh |
09:16.37 | Leeds | boudicca: xchat on Linux and it's 1716 |
09:17.07 | Cope | or even blapto ... who appears to have left |
09:17.50 | Leeds | blapto left about half an hour ago |
09:18.10 | Leeds | I hope you're all wrapping up warm today! |
09:20.22 | Cope | mozrat: ah it was mendelssohn.... |
09:24.07 | mozrat | Cope, @work today? |
09:24.39 | mozrat | oh good |
09:26.58 | ufo_ | morning :) |
09:27.02 | mozrat | Morning! |
09:29.06 | Leeds | I'd say 4 unless you know there's something in 5 you need |
09:33.34 | boudicca | Leeds; just trying to work out where in the world you are :) |
09:34.14 | Leeds | boudicca: same as usualy |
09:34.22 | mozrat | In a former British Colony that hasn't been threatened by either Spain or Argentina |
09:34.36 | Leeds | not a Colony |
09:34.41 | mozrat | no? |
09:34.47 | Cope | dependency |
09:34.51 | mozrat | ah |
09:35.01 | morsing | Check it! |
09:35.01 | boudicca | Leeds; i thought at first [from your nick] that you were either in Kent or in the midlands, now i see that you're in hong kong :) |
09:35.25 | Leeds | territory is usually the word used |
09:35.33 | Leeds | nowadays, anyway |
09:35.38 | Leeds | boudicca: why the midlands??? |
09:35.52 | Leeds | Cope: the op or the loader? :-) |
09:35.56 | Cope | ;) |
09:36.02 | boudicca | Leeds; town/city called 'Leeds' |
09:36.09 | Cope | i often forget to run lilo, then wonder why a change doesn't take effect |
09:36.19 | Leeds | boudicca: there is no town/city called Leeds in the Midlands |
09:36.49 | boudicca | Leeds; its up north, and north of the watford gap, and i'm still waking up :) |
09:37.07 | boudicca | geography was never my strong point |
09:37.09 | mozrat | Whippets! |
09:37.44 | morsing | Cope: It's quite an important one! |
09:37.54 | Leeds | I've never worked out which came first - the name or the station |
09:38.00 | Cope | I often wonder whether people think watford == watford gap, when in reallity they're miles apart |
09:38.14 | Cope | watford gap is nearly northampton |
09:38.34 | Leeds | watford gap is about 80 miles up the M1 |
09:39.56 | Cope | despite ensureing that CONFIG_FB_VESA=y |
09:40.17 | Cope | I now appear to have a 640x480 framebufferm which is a bit stupid |
09:42.01 | Leeds | if you have a framebuffer console at all (as opposed to a text-only one), it's down to boot options as to what you get |
09:42.28 | Cope | Leeds: yes... |
09:42.37 | Cope | which is why I just re-ran lilo |
09:42.56 | Cope | # grep vga /etc/lilo.conf |
09:42.57 | Cope | vga = 773 |
09:47.44 | Cope | Leeds: i currently have what looks like a completely normal non-fb console, with a big penguin in the top-left - ie a low-resolution fb console |
09:48.48 | Cope | hmm wonder what CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C does |
09:49.47 | Cope | in menuconfig |
09:50.17 | stephen | i2c is the subsystem used by lm_sensors to obtain information about your hardware, like temperature, fan speed etc. |
09:51.01 | Cope | right... so nothing to do with framebuffers |
09:51.20 | Cope | well.. other than monitoring it |
09:51.29 | stephen | I suspect not |
09:52.51 | Cope | then why might I no-longer have a decent resolution fb console |
09:53.02 | Cope | comparing my old config and new config |
09:53.47 | Cope | all I did was remove the modules pertaining to cards I don't have |
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09:57.14 | Cope | i wish i understood diff output |
09:57.52 | kbsingh | morning |
09:58.09 | morsing | kbsingh! |
09:59.12 | Leeds | i2c is a low-bandwidth serial bus |
09:59.53 | Leeds | used for things like hardware sensors - but also used for things like controlling the tuners on (at least some) TV cards |
09:59.56 | morsing | Leeds: How do I figure out which I2C drivers to enable for my hardware? |
10:00.36 | Leeds | I think there's a detect script, which pretty much just tries to load all the drivers until one sticks |
10:04.37 | Leeds | argh, IE sucks so badly |
10:05.15 | Leeds | from a friend, in email: Gotta go - I've got to run a training session on why should we use our database. I thought it was obvious, because I say so :-) " |
10:07.43 | Cope | right... narrowed it down: curent config has: |
10:07.44 | Cope | CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=y |
10:07.44 | Cope | # CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C is not set |
10:07.45 | Cope | # CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG is not set |
10:07.52 | Cope | and the old one had: |
10:08.00 | Cope | CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=m |
10:08.00 | Cope | CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C=y |
10:08.01 | Cope | CONFIG_FB_RIVA=m |
10:08.14 | Cope | umm... |
10:08.37 | Cope | not quite.. |
10:09.00 | Cope | that debug should read: CONFIG_FB_RIVA=y |
10:09.22 | Leeds | I wonder if it's failing to work because I'm attaching the newly-created TR element to the TABLE element, not the virtual TBODY element sitting below it |
10:09.24 | Cope | so ie - the new one has yes instead on modules; and the old one had I2C set |
10:09.42 | Cope | Leeds: highly likely to impact my kernel, I agree. |
10:10.16 | Cope | are you really not allowed to edit .config by hand? |
10:10.21 | Leeds | if you're only trying to do VESA, none of that should really matter |
10:10.46 | Leeds | I think the main problem with editing .config is that there are serious dependency trees going on, and you could very easily break them |
10:10.54 | Cope | well my graphics card is an nvidia riva one, which does fb, i think |
10:11.12 | Cope | vesa settings are the same |
10:11.18 | Leeds | ah, yes... appending the new element to TBODY works in both firefox and IE |
10:11.22 | Cope | yay! |
10:11.39 | Leeds | you're not going to get very far with your console being a module, I'd think |
10:11.48 | Cope | hrm |
10:11.52 | Cope | but the old one worked |
10:11.59 | Cope | i think |
10:12.18 | Leeds | you think? YOU THINK? I don't pay you to think!!! |
10:12.21 | Cope | well it did - but I may not be looking at the old config you you mention it |
10:13.11 | Cope | bah I don't know |
10:13.14 | Cope | why is this hard! |
10:13.20 | Leeds | it shouldn't be |
10:13.33 | Leeds | if you see a penguin, you're doing framebuffer - then the issue is resolution |
10:13.43 | Leeds | if you're only doing VESA, you may be stuck at low res |
10:14.03 | Leeds | you can set the vga option to ask (check docs for precise details) to get a menu at boot time of available resolutions |
10:14.05 | Cope | Leeds: ok... so if I remove vesa it should use nvidia instead? |
10:14.21 | Leeds | you should probably only have one framebuffer console compiled in, yes |
10:15.29 | Cope | the original slack lilo.conf says VESA framebuffer 1024x768 |
10:16.33 | Leeds | makes sense - that's the generic option |
10:16.50 | Cope | so that's what it had in mind... guess though that may not be what I got |
10:19.44 | Cope | Leeds: well vga=ask brings up normal 80x and 132x options - nothing looking like a fb |
10:20.34 | Leeds | strange |
10:21.15 | Leeds | are you aware of fbset? |
10:21.38 | Cope | ahahahaha |
10:22.31 | Cope | I had forgotten this is an agp card |
10:22.49 | Leeds | ah |
10:22.50 | Leeds | uh? |
10:23.00 | Leeds | vga=ask isn't what you want, but you know that |
10:23.00 | Cope | well i wasn't looking inside! |
10:23.13 | Cope | I do? |
10:23.33 | Cope | and no, I'm not aware of fbset |
10:23.38 | Leeds | well, it might be what you want |
10:23.46 | Leeds | try vga=ask |
10:23.46 | Cope | what wre you thinking of? |
10:23.53 | Cope | yeah that's what I have at present |
10:24.00 | Leeds | then choose 316 as the mode |
10:24.07 | Cope | ok |
10:24.18 | Leeds | you don't mind frying your card and/or monitor, right? |
10:24.45 | Cope | that would be not so good |
10:25.46 | Cope | it says 316 is an unknown mode anyway |
10:26.04 | Leeds | 305 |
10:26.05 | Leeds | ? |
10:26.34 | Cope | it only seems to accept 0-c ie the list of shit modes - which it then ignores anyway |
10:26.43 | Leeds | 0x316 maybe? |
10:27.32 | morsing | What's a scuttle? |
10:28.20 | Leeds | scuttle as a noun? dunno... I only know it as a verb... unless the noun is the action of scuttling |
10:29.39 | Leeds | morsing: to scuttle is to sink a boat on purpose |
10:31.01 | Leeds | hometime |
10:33.34 | Cope | brealfast |
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11:09.55 | morsing | skugg! |
11:10.56 | skugg | morsing |
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11:21.50 | morsing | JAV! |
11:31.06 | George | hi |
11:31.09 | George | moo I say |
11:31.09 | George | moo |
11:31.13 | George | with a large spanking of moos |
11:36.26 | mozrat | With regexp is there a way to "catch" all of a line up to the string you are searching for and do something with it? |
11:37.03 | mozrat | so if the string was "George said moo" and I regexed for "moo" can I dump the line up to that point somewhere that I can use it |
11:39.16 | Cope | grrrr |
11:39.36 | mozrat | morsing: but nothing in the regex language itself? |
11:39.43 | Cope | 2.6.14.2 with vesa fb removed... still doesn't give me a 1024x768 framebuffer |
11:39.47 | Cope | gah gah gah |
11:39.56 | mozrat | It's for the question I posted to the mailing list |
11:40.48 | George | MOO |
11:41.10 | Cope | mozrat: to understand... this is a) on a per line basis b) you want everything *before* the start of the match? |
11:41.18 | mozrat | Cope, yes. |
11:41.30 | mozrat | I think I may be using the wrong tool for the job |
11:42.14 | Cope | mozrat: what are you using? |
11:42.33 | mozrat | body_checks in postfix to do string replacement in emails |
11:42.42 | Cope | ah ok |
11:42.46 | mozrat | at the moment it replaces the *entire* line of the email with my replacement |
11:42.59 | mozrat | I want it to replace just the word with the replacement and leave the rest of the line as is |
11:43.01 | Cope | i did see your post now you mention it |
11:43.29 | Cope | oh... that's different from what you asked isn't it? |
11:43.45 | mozrat | body_checks is fairly well documented but the replace function isn't - unless I'm trying to make it do something it doesn't |
11:43.58 | mozrat | Cope: no, thats basically what I asked |
11:44.17 | Cope | mozrat: i meant just noew with the george said moo exampke |
11:44.48 | mozrat | Cope: well - I was thinking in a regex mode now. Can that be done in regex and how... |
11:44.56 | mozrat | the language used by body_checks is pcre |
11:45.04 | Cope | ah ok... |
11:45.39 | George | blah. |
11:46.39 | Cope | mozrat: I am sure it can be done... and I think I've seen it in a sed example somewhere |
11:46.55 | Cope | mozrat: of course in python we'd just use something like lookahead |
11:46.59 | mozrat | Cope: :) |
11:50.09 | Cope | >>> re.findall(r"^(.*)(?:moo)", "George said moo") |
11:50.09 | Cope | ['George said '] |
11:50.26 | mozrat | nice |
11:52.56 | Cope | not that that helps in anyway |
11:53.03 | Cope | unless you want to rewrite procmail in python |
11:53.59 | mozrat | Cope: doesn't touch procmail - this is a mail gateway so the mail should stay within the MTA |
11:53.59 | mozrat | it's a gateway to rewrite email |
11:54.05 | Cope | to take naughty words out? |
11:54.37 | mozrat | heh - kinda. A company has rebranded and they want to rewrite Lotus Notes addresses to mask the old Domino certifier name |
11:58.45 | mozrat | so when I run a mail through this rule the word I'm searching for is held in $1 |
12:06.00 | morsing | Beer |
12:09.21 | Cope | mozrat: sanelson@petrosian$ echo "Three blind mice" | sed -e /mice/s/[[:space:]]*mice// |
12:09.24 | Cope | Three blind |
12:09.50 | mozrat | Cope, cheers |
12:10.39 | Cope | or... |
12:13.34 | Cope | add .* to the *mice for safety |
12:18.27 | mozrat | OK - I've managed to snarf one word before my query.. that is a start :) |
12:19.02 | mozrat | I can play with $1 (one word before the one I'm searching for )and $2 (the actual wod) |
12:19.06 | mozrat | word |
12:20.33 | Cope | w0rd |
12:20.37 | mozrat | homey |
12:20.42 | mozrat | respeck |
12:22.25 | mozrat | Cope - does this make sense to you |
12:22.30 | mozrat | my regex is this |
12:22.34 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
12:22.55 | mozrat | the word before "foobar" is contained in $1 and foobar is contained in $2 |
12:23.11 | George | I hate physics coursework |
12:23.17 | wethrin | Hello! |
12:23.21 | mozrat | how can I modify (\w+) to catch the entire line up until that point |
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12:24.50 | Cope | mozrat: not sure on pcre, but in, eg, sed, all I did was to say 'everything, including any kind of white space, before mice' |
12:25.02 | Cope | or before mice and there after: |
12:25.07 | mozrat | Cope, oh I see |
12:25.13 | mozrat | let me try your example |
12:25.21 | Cope | [[:space:]]*foobar.* |
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12:49.44 | George | ok, coursework is finished |
12:49.46 | George | blargh |
12:49.47 | George | blargh I say |
12:49.48 | Cope | hoorah |
12:50.00 | wethrin | yay |
12:50.02 | George | I found my AS coursework from last year :D |
12:50.05 | wethrin | heh |
12:50.07 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/phys.pdf |
12:50.18 | George | I managed to use the word "especial" in it |
12:50.20 | George | I rock. |
12:50.35 | wethrin | Mm. LaTeX |
12:50.55 | George | of course |
12:51.48 | mozrat | Cope. the line "/^(.+) foobar (.+)$/ replace $1 123 $2 |
12:51.49 | mozrat | " |
12:52.00 | mozrat | replaces just the word foobar with the word 123 |
12:52.21 | wethrin | heh. "Copper rods at 800C will be hot" |
12:52.28 | George | damn right :) |
12:52.38 | wethrin | I think you should stick a label onto the side :) |
12:52.46 | George | unfortunately examiners are idiots so you have to tell them these things explicitely |
12:53.12 | wethrin | Not at all. Examiners think the students are idiots, and therefore should show that they know things |
12:53.14 | George | I like my writing style though :) |
12:54.18 | wethrin | hmm |
12:54.24 | wethrin | You should have used 'thusly' instead of 'thus' |
12:55.04 | George | fuck you. |
12:55.10 | wethrin | No |
12:55.15 | wethrin | I don't swing that way |
12:55.27 | George | neither do I |
12:55.46 | wethrin | good |
12:56.06 | George | anyway |
12:56.10 | George | my writing style rocks |
12:56.35 | wethrin | uhhuh |
12:56.37 | wethrin | riight |
12:57.55 | George | I like its pomposity |
12:57.58 | George | in a subtle way |
12:58.16 | wethrin | Right. I'm off to the pub, and then to Edinburgh for the weekend |
12:58.18 | wethrin | Bye! |
12:58.23 | George | you useless bastard |
12:58.35 | wethrin | but whisky! |
12:58.42 | wethrin | I shall be drinking lots of lovely whisky |
12:58.58 | George | ewww |
12:59.04 | George | bloody lunatic |
12:59.07 | wethrin | Heh |
12:59.08 | wethrin | bye! |
12:59.10 | George | I don't see the point in drinking aqueous ethanol |
12:59.16 | wethrin | It's lovely |
12:59.21 | George | no it's not |
12:59.22 | George | it's horrid |
12:59.24 | George | and ghastly |
12:59.26 | wethrin | It is. You're just wong. |
12:59.27 | wethrin | *wrong |
12:59.29 | wethrin | So I leave. Bye! |
12:59.33 | George | no, I'm wright |
12:59.35 | George | you imbecile |
12:59.45 | George | :) |
13:06.45 | Cope | more tea! |
13:31.33 | morsing | beer |
13:39.56 | George | FOD |
13:39.58 | George | FOOD |
13:39.59 | George | DOOF |
13:40.00 | George | DOF |
13:54.21 | George | yes minister is great |
13:56.40 | mozrat | George: yes it is.. |
13:56.54 | mozrat | I miss "gentle" comedy.. Dad's Army, Yes Minister |
13:57.10 | mozrat | seeing projectile vomiting on Little Britain last night isn't quite the same |
13:57.26 | George | it's intelligent comedy :P |
14:08.02 | gregj | George: what is that "minister", for a moment I thought you've said minster |
14:11.11 | Jango | so, George has finally copped it :/ |
14:13.32 | gregj | :> |
14:14.03 | JAV | good afternoon! |
14:18.27 | JAV | ok, it rains a lot. Not so good |
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14:28.30 | morsing | Mmm... Sarrat |
14:29.50 | morsing | Reformatting split(1), please wait... |
14:56.25 | Cope | morsing: yes, I quite agree; gentle, subtle, funny humour; its not necessary to be raucous and rude to be funny. |
14:56.29 | Cope | mozrat: you too. |
14:59.58 | Cope | oh... hoorah George Best is dead |
15:00.04 | Cope | about bloody time |
15:00.09 | Cope | ungrateful twat |
15:04.47 | mozrat | Cope, I don't totally disagree with you. Sorry to see someone shuffle off this mortal coil but he had more opportunities than most |
15:07.42 | mozrat | more than I or you would ever get if we abused our bodies so terribly - he had all the warnings he wanted |
15:08.23 | Cope | yeah |
15:08.44 | Cope | it just annoys me that someone probably died because they weren't famous enough to get the transplant they needed |
15:08.51 | mozrat | so... farewell, but... I won't be having a drink for you (despite the irony) |
15:09.03 | Cope | and he goes and wastes the second chance that someone else would have, well, died for. |
15:09.19 | Cope | just makes me sad and angry. |
15:27.27 | kbsingh | anyone with a min, what do you guys think of this : http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=2281567&subid=9495624&type= |
15:27.52 | kbsingh | its possible I could get a $25 discount for not buying with XP Home ( makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for not paying a MS Tax ) |
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15:29.21 | morsing | Cope, mozrat: So does this mean you don't like the office? |
15:33.36 | Cope | morsing: no, not that I dislike such things, just that its a shame we don't seem to produce that older, subtler, gentler comedy that we were once famous for. |
15:33.38 | Leeds | evening all |
15:33.43 | Cope | hello Leeds |
15:34.00 | morsing | Cope: Hmm... |
15:34.25 | morsing | Hi Leeds |
15:35.53 | mozrat | morsing: I like the office but that is still clever comedy in some ways |
15:36.02 | mozrat | it is subtle, and you have to "get the joke" |
15:36.14 | mozrat | the joke in Little Britain is literally vomited all over you |
15:36.45 | Leeds | mozrat: the main problem with the Oficce is that it's just not funny... |
15:37.44 | Leeds | hi morsing |
15:40.13 | Leeds | "trying to turn Fairy Liquid back into a solid" |
15:42.21 | gregj | I have all DVDs |
15:47.48 | Cope | wow! |
15:47.55 | Cope | you must have a lot of space |
15:50.12 | morsing | Cope: :-D |
15:51.53 | Cope | select all from entertainment.movies where media = 'dvd'; |
15:52.21 | Cope | in fact no... not just movies |
16:00.13 | morsing | wethrin: |
16:00.14 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
16:02.33 | mozrat | Happy Saturday Leeds |
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16:03.26 | Cope | why do these people insist on running their machines with unpatched kernels for so long? |
16:04.00 | Cope | oh I know... I'll just ignore the 27157 security announcements, because its 'hard' to have a big uptime. |
16:05.27 | IAmAI | Hewo. |
16:05.43 | Leeds | mozrat: thank you, and welcome to the weekend |
16:05.58 | IAmAI | Weekend doesn't start until 5:30 |
16:06.09 | IAmAI | At least. |
16:06.38 | morsing | Cope: I do the same. Can't face a reboot :-) |
16:08.46 | Leeds | IAmAI: it's Saturday here :-) |
16:08.57 | IAmAI | You crazy Chinese. |
16:09.02 | IAmAI | :P |
16:09.13 | IAmAI | Always out of sync when it comes to time! |
16:10.44 | Leeds | I'm not Chinese - I'm a gwailo |
16:13.50 | Cope | morsing: hehe, i belong to the school of thought which says its not bad to reboot, and in many cases its good :) |
16:14.28 | Cope | that said our dns servers were up for 1700 days before I rebooted them this summer.... |
16:16.49 | mozrat | Cope, did they come straight back up? |
16:16.56 | Cope | yep |
16:17.00 | mozrat | heh - nice |
16:17.07 | IAmAI | kbhqsdfjkeh2] |
16:17.32 | Cope | mozrat: 4 x solaris 8 boxes - or maybe even solaris 7; running bind 8. |
16:17.33 | mozrat | I agree that uptime wars are impressive, but ultimately not very good for the health of the server |
16:17.42 | mozrat | I'd rather *know* that a server would reboot correctly if I had to do it |
16:17.47 | Cope | mmm |
16:18.14 | mozrat | rebooting for rebooting's sake is not good, but skipping kernel updates etc for the sake of uptime is folly |
16:18.37 | Cope | quite |
16:22.10 | highbury | of course if you running graphical machines, then regular reboots still seem to be required :-( |
16:25.36 | mozrat | highbury: yes |
16:27.37 | morsing | Cope :-( |
16:32.44 | morsing | Check it! |
16:34.15 | mozrat | Hmm, hundreds of drivers caught in a closed road on the Bodmin moor |
16:34.29 | mozrat | I know that road well - My parents have a home near there |
16:34.41 | mozrat | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4469720.stm |
16:36.51 | morsing | How does this happen every year! |
16:40.10 | mozrat | Something to do with the rotation of the earth |
16:41.05 | morsing | mozrat: Which wipes out people memory and intelligence? |
16:41.29 | morsing | Maybe cold air make the human brain slower? |
16:41.40 | mozrat | heh - I think the problem is that we just don't get consistantly cold enough weather |
16:41.54 | mozrat | we don't get into the winter mentality |
16:42.13 | mozrat | for example I nor anyone I know owns "winter tyres" |
16:42.23 | mozrat | as it isn't cold enough to use them |
16:42.29 | skugg | heh. |
16:42.47 | mozrat | skugg: yep :) |
16:43.00 | Cope | chains! |
16:43.00 | mozrat | skugg: Whereabouts in Norway are/were you from? |
16:43.10 | skugg | hang on.. |
16:43.41 | morsing | mozrat: I do! |
16:43.55 | morsing | mozrat: Yes is it! a common misunderstanding! |
16:43.58 | mozrat | morsing: when are you going to fit them |
16:44.07 | morsing | Wintertyres is for temperatures below 7 degrees |
16:44.23 | morsing | mozrat: So between October and march |
16:44.29 | skugg | http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/lgcolor/nocolor.htm # close to Alesund on that map |
16:44.36 | mozrat | yep - aren't they dangerous at warmer temperatures? |
16:44.37 | Cope | mmm Ale |
16:45.00 | skugg | mozrat: not dangerous, just less comfortable and noisy :) |
16:45.04 | morsing | mozrat: No. Less dangerous than summer tyres in this weather |
16:45.22 | skugg | dangerous to the environment though (if you've got the type with spikes) |
16:45.23 | morsing | skugg: Not snow tyres, wintertyres! |
16:45.24 | mozrat | skugg: Cool - I've been to Voss, Bergen and Trondhiem |
16:45.33 | skugg | creates a lot of dust |
16:45.33 | mozrat | nice country - if not a little on the cold side |
16:45.42 | morsing | skugg: Wintertyres never have dpikes |
16:45.53 | skugg | my parents have 50cm of snow/sleet at the moment |
16:46.19 | skugg | morsing: we call them 'all year tyres' if they don't have spikes... |
16:46.23 | skugg | winter tyres have spikes ;) |
16:46.32 | George | Cope: what? |
16:46.49 | morsing | skugg: No - all weather tyres is a compromise between winter and summer tyres |
16:47.02 | morsing | Snow tyres and winter tyres are not the same thing |
16:47.32 | Cope | George: when did you last patch your kernel? |
16:47.38 | Cope | George: 264 days ago? |
16:47.42 | Cope | or so..... |
16:47.50 | George | something like that |
16:48.00 | Cope | and you're running 2.6 I guess |
16:48.02 | George | yes |
16:48.13 | Cope | internet facing? |
16:48.17 | George | yes |
16:48.21 | Cope | brave |
16:48.37 | George | I can't be arsed to reboot it |
16:48.40 | George | too much hassle |
16:48.42 | Cope | lol |
16:48.52 | Cope | does it have a ups? |
16:49.06 | George | yes |
16:49.11 | Cope | ace! |
16:49.17 | Cope | ups++ |
16:49.21 | Cope | not the parcel company |
16:50.21 | George | heh |
16:50.27 | George | it's a 1200VA or something |
16:50.28 | George | I think |
16:50.48 | George | sends a shutdown signal to the pootah when the power goes and the battery level is low |
16:50.56 | Cope | nice |
16:51.01 | Cope | expensve? |
16:51.07 | George | 120 quid or so |
16:51.18 | Cope | not bad |
16:51.22 | Cope | i want an external array |
16:51.24 | skugg | morsing: hmmm... actually, when I think about it, a snow tyre is a winter tyre, but not necessarily the other way around. we call snow tyres 'spike tyres' (or piggdekk) though. |
16:51.29 | mozrat | Can't be arsed to reboot it?? |
16:51.38 | skugg | s,necessarily,, |
16:51.45 | George | Cope: it's one of them belkin things. innit. |
16:51.58 | skugg | mozrat: translated: he thinks himself too cool to reboot it. |
16:52.04 | mozrat | skugg: ahh |
16:52.18 | eye69 | skugg: Well, there are spikeless winter tyres, that are useless on summer roads. |
16:52.28 | skugg | eye69: right. |
16:52.46 | skugg | all-year tyres are something else again (and useless where my parents live) |
16:53.21 | skugg | you can get away with unspiked winter tyres, generally, only if *someone else* is using spiked tyres... |
16:53.24 | eye69 | skugg: All-year tyres are generally used on big SUV's and such. |
16:53.51 | morsing | skugg: All-year tyres are always useless |
16:54.00 | Cope | invariably |
16:54.17 | Cope | oh... apart from in england, when they're absolutely fine. |
16:54.23 | Cope | so not always. |
16:54.30 | morsing | Wintertyres and summer tyres have different temperature characteristics |
16:54.37 | morsing | Nothing to do with snow |
16:54.55 | Cope | i would like to visit norway, and indeed sweden |
16:55.06 | morsing | Norway sucks - Sweden is cool |
16:55.06 | Cope | I have a friend in tromso and some friends in gothenberg |
16:55.11 | skugg | morsing: not really; they are useful for people that live in the southern parts and don't *need* the car to get anywhere all the time, but can chose to drive only when weather allows it in the winter |
16:55.26 | George | Cope: I'm awesome? |
16:55.43 | skugg | you cannot do that with straight summer tyres because they are illegal in the winter, regardless of the conditions... |
16:56.07 | skugg | so, they have their uses. but not for actually getting anywhere on snow, no ;) |
16:56.53 | Cope | George: indeed you are |
16:57.00 | George | Cope: says who? |
16:57.14 | Cope | George: secret |
16:57.22 | George | Cope: ok.. |
16:57.23 | George | you're odd. |
16:57.25 | Cope | ;) |
16:58.32 | mozrat | The *only* vehicle to be seen driving in the snow is this baby >> http://tinyurl.com/8r3xv |
16:58.52 | morsing | skugg: Well, I'm always told I'm being stupid when using summer/winter tyres |
16:59.14 | Cope | well a combo would be odd |
17:04.32 | skugg | morsing: where? |
17:13.08 | morsing | skugg: On my car |
17:19.47 | skugg | obviously. i meant geographically, of course. |
17:34.03 | kbsingh | Cope, the Alpha is building OOo1.1.2 |
17:34.41 | kbsingh | its now been building for 2 days, 3 hrs, 19 min |
17:34.47 | Cope | :( |
17:35.05 | Cope | horrid OOo |
17:35.38 | kbsingh | its going to have a busy weekend... |
17:42.44 | George | what time does royal mail normally deliver? |
18:50.10 | mozrat | foo! |
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19:02.17 | Cope | ello mozrat |
19:09.17 | mozrat | allo |
19:09.59 | mozrat | when you get your O2 what are you going to put on it? |
19:10.06 | mozrat | I think FBSD |
19:10.34 | Cope | netbsd I expect |
19:12.20 | mozrat | i see |
19:16.07 | Cope | you do? |
19:44.38 | George | does exponential ALWAYS involve e? |
19:44.41 | George | as in, 2.71? |
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21:23.55 | JAV | evening! |
21:25.46 | George | hi. |
22:41.27 | George | I hate it when keyboards get they shinyness to them |
22:41.30 | George | and you can't get rid of it |
23:08.52 | Cope | try a metal file |
23:09.00 | Cope | make them all rough again |
23:09.39 | highbury | I need to de-gunk my thinkpad keyboard and touchpad, too many keys keep sticking :-( |
23:09.53 | George | highbury: yes, I did notice how HIDEOUS your keyboard is |
23:12.32 | quinophex | George: glue little squares of rough sandpaper to your fingertips |
23:13.01 | George | I don't think I've actually worn down the key |
23:13.02 | George | I dunno |
23:13.05 | George | I hope I haven't |
23:13.12 | George | I'll put some alcohol on it and see what happens |
23:19.45 | George | ibot: nslookup flooble.org.uk |
23:20.48 | George | ibot nslookup gwright.org.yuk |
23:20.50 | George | ibot nslookup gwright.org.uk |