00:02.40 | mikejw | ok |
00:04.51 | Leeds | frankly, it's quite a long way out |
00:08.54 | mikejw | yeah it seems so :) |
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00:46.30 | Leeds | time to go to work... |
00:46.57 | mozrat | see ya |
01:06.54 | resuDaed | finished as much as I am going to do on that damn presentation... grrrr |
01:07.00 | resuDaed | time to relax |
01:10.57 | mozrat | nice |
01:11.05 | mozrat | take it easy |
01:43.37 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
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02:27.08 | z00dax | its only half past 2 |
02:27.10 | z00dax | slacker |
02:27.12 | z00dax | :) |
02:28.46 | Leeds | it's midmorning and you all should have been at work for ages |
02:32.35 | z00dax | I've been pretty much working round the clock the last 4 days |
02:33.37 | AngelChild | I was working earlier! |
02:34.37 | Leeds | I'm a lazy git |
02:38.11 | AngelChild | hehe |
02:45.28 | Leeds | whoa, big phone bill... |
02:45.34 | Leeds | ibot change $213 hkd to gbp |
02:45.44 | Leeds | ibot change 213 hkd to gbp |
05:46.19 | new2unix | moin all |
06:16.19 | Cope | morning |
07:10.46 | Leeds | so, it's the coldest day of the season, and there's a fire warning out |
07:11.58 | new2unix | Leeds: hk? |
07:12.19 | Leeds | yes |
07:13.58 | new2unix | Leeds: must meet up on your return to .uk Would love to hear your latest bra stories/escapades |
07:15.14 | Leeds | new2unix: you around at Christmas? |
07:21.03 | new2unix | Leeds: Yes. Off to NewYork on Wednesday. Should be back for Xmas. |
08:43.59 | highbury | morning |
08:45.19 | Leeds | hi |
08:48.20 | highbury | this may be my last day on irc for a while :-( |
08:49.10 | Leeds | why? |
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08:49.45 | Leeds | morsing! |
08:49.49 | morsing | Leeds! |
08:50.41 | Leeds | highbury: for the record, the Mac Mini has been doing sterling work: uptime of 120 days |
08:50.42 | highbury | off to Oxfordshire, B&B doesn't have internet access, I don't know how much I will have at work, when I start tomorrow |
08:51.25 | highbury | Leeds: cool! I'm intrigued by the reports of an intel based version from apple in the new year |
08:51.32 | Leeds | so am I |
08:52.20 | Leeds | mine currently has nearly 400GB of disk hanging off it (or in it) |
08:52.49 | morsing | Why does scp inconsistently not set the file permissions correctly? |
08:56.07 | morsing | Hello? |
08:56.49 | Leeds | what does correctly mean? is there no pattern at all? |
09:00.32 | morsing | umaks says "02" |
09:00.49 | morsing | Sorry, 07 |
09:01.44 | morsing | But when scping the permissions are 640 |
09:03.20 | Leeds | source permissions? |
09:06.37 | morsing | Ok, I think someone here has misunderstood what umask does |
09:07.13 | Leeds | it masks out from 777 rather than being a base on top of which permissions are applied |
09:07.48 | morsing | I know. Someone sent me a confusing email. They will be straightened out |
09:10.35 | wethrin | hello |
09:11.20 | Leeds | wethrin: ah, just the man I was waiting for |
09:11.25 | wethrin | eek? :) |
09:11.31 | morsing | wethrin! |
09:11.37 | Leeds | be a good chap and approve my social post? |
09:11.47 | morsing | Can't believe my brake master cylinder sold for only £6 :-( |
09:12.21 | morsing | Leeds: You haven't posted one? |
09:13.18 | Leeds | morsing: what? |
09:13.30 | wethrin | Approved |
09:14.15 | Leeds | wethrin: thank'ee sire :-) |
09:15.19 | morsing | 09:11 < Leeds> be a good chap and approve my social post? |
09:15.26 | wethrin | np |
09:15.26 | morsing | Leeds: What? |
09:15.50 | Leeds | morsing: what? |
09:16.50 | wethrin | Leeds: "people failed to blow things up......hoping for better circumstances"? :) |
09:17.00 | Leeds | okay, possibly badly phrased |
09:17.09 | wethrin | A little :) |
09:17.20 | wethrin | Oh, and I'll make sure I'll be there |
09:19.11 | Leeds | morsing: I'm sure you could find somewhere to put me up for the night, right? |
09:19.22 | wethrin | Do you prefer a pub close to a tube station, or don't mind a bit of a walk? |
09:20.35 | Leeds | don't really mind a walk |
09:20.54 | wethrin | Right - the Star of Belgravia is a very nice pub, if fairly small |
09:21.08 | wethrin | However, I have no idea about any opening times over Christmas |
09:21.32 | Leeds | hmm... 168 quid for an overnight return to Copenhagen could be taking the piss slightly |
09:36.07 | morsing | ibot wake mozrat |
09:36.09 | ibot | mozrat: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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09:43.17 | Leeds | hmm... consider a merged Virgin mobile and NTL... |
09:46.32 | Leeds | ah well, time to head off... |
09:49.41 | morsing | Where's the best place to buy cheap flights to California? |
09:54.25 | mozrat | morsing! |
09:54.29 | morsing | mozrat: ! |
09:54.45 | mozrat | morsing: I don't know the best place to buy cheap flights to California |
09:54.57 | morsing | mozrat: How do I correctly monitor a host that doesn't respond to pings? |
09:55.06 | mozrat | tcpping |
09:56.30 | morsing | Ahh... |
09:56.46 | morsing | But do I have to if I'm monitoring services on that host? |
09:57.09 | mikejw | 16:45 |
09:57.21 | morsing | 18:23 |
09:57.21 | mozrat | morsing: no |
09:57.23 | mikejw | oops.. wrong window :S |
09:57.44 | morsing | mozrat: So I just disable host monitoing and it can correctly determine if the host is down? |
09:57.53 | mikejw | morning gus :) |
09:57.58 | mozrat | morsing: I think so, yes |
09:58.00 | mozrat | hey mikejw |
09:58.30 | mozrat | tsk tsk - look at all of these illegal copies of books "Isn't it terrible" http://citrin.ru/docs/ |
10:07.29 | morsing | beer |
10:07.35 | mozrat | speech |
10:27.29 | morsing | I want to send out a link to a page that's generated by a javascript call. Is that possible? |
10:28.12 | morsing | The link is http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG247463/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm |
10:28.43 | morsing | And the menu I want says javascript:fD(258); |
10:29.04 | morsing | Can this be done or do I have to describe to people where to go in the menus? |
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10:30.10 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
10:30.15 | SlayerXP | morning |
10:31.37 | SlayerXP | i have thrown my web dsign skills at the FAQ in a torrid session of sheer brilliance |
10:31.42 | SlayerXP | it now looks merely ugly |
10:31.48 | morsing | Mmm... ugly |
10:37.47 | morsing | No answer to my question? |
10:38.09 | SlayerXP | which was? |
10:45.41 | morsing | I want to email a link to section 6.6.5 of this document: |
10:45.44 | morsing | http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG247463/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm |
10:48.33 | SlayerXP | mm, send suggested text |
10:48.37 | SlayerXP | martin@hinterlands.org |
10:48.45 | morsing | SlayerXP: Eh?!!? |
10:48.58 | SlayerXP | you talking about the faq? |
10:49.03 | morsing | SlayerXP: No |
10:49.06 | SlayerXP | oh |
10:49.44 | SlayerXP | well I was |
10:50.05 | morsing | I want to email a link to a section in a document on IBM website to some colleagues. |
10:50.19 | morsing | Unfortunately is some javascript stuff! |
10:51.25 | morsing | kbsingh! |
10:51.32 | z00dax | morsing! |
10:51.45 | z00dax | *cough* |
10:56.52 | morsing | Mmm... Solaris |
10:59.41 | morsing | A line of the crontab file: |
10:59.41 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
10:59.44 | morsing | contains the following error: |
10:59.46 | morsing | Why? |
10:59.48 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
11:02.27 | Erwin | morsing: you put the minutes in the hours |
11:02.32 | Erwin | Or is the company you work for such one that you have 60-hour work days? :) |
11:02.59 | morsing | Erwin: Of course! |
11:12.51 | wethrin | hello |
11:15.52 | morsing | wethrin! |
11:15.54 | morsing | Beer? |
11:16.11 | morsing | Is there a pub-meet before X-mas? |
11:16.32 | wethrin | Maybe on the 20th? |
11:16.38 | SlayerXP | that's my birthday |
11:16.42 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
11:16.44 | morsing | Yay |
11:16.49 | wethrin | But you'll be on .no, won't you? |
11:16.50 | morsing | Is that a Monday? |
11:16.55 | wethrin | No, Tuesday |
11:17.38 | mozrat | Morning z00dax sorry to hear you are unwell |
11:18.12 | SlayerXP | wethrin: I will, yes. |
11:19.26 | wethrin | Hm. Then we'll just have to drink in London for you |
11:19.43 | wethrin | morsing: I'm back from Cologne that evening, so could have yet another drink before heading home |
11:21.39 | morsing | Cologne? |
11:21.49 | morsing | Is that "english" for Koln? |
11:23.01 | wethrin | Yes |
11:23.08 | wethrin | Because I couldn't be bothered to type Köln |
11:34.28 | morsing | Check it! |
11:34.56 | wethrin | check what? |
11:35.17 | morsing | Yo! |
11:35.24 | wethrin | yo? |
11:35.38 | morsing | Wazzup? |
11:36.11 | wethrin | heh |
11:38.14 | morsing | checking how to specify blibpath for linker (gcc)... |
11:38.23 | morsing | Has been checking for 6 minutes now?! |
11:41.15 | morsing | What's a blimppath anyway? |
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12:28.41 | wethrin | morsing: It's the route taken by an airship |
12:32.14 | George | ello |
12:32.17 | George | I like sausage rolls |
12:32.18 | George | mmmm |
12:32.19 | George | food. |
12:32.25 | morsing | George! |
12:32.33 | George | hey |
12:33.02 | morsing | MIt Fet Nugan |
12:35.46 | morsing | ~seen murb |
12:35.48 | ibot | murb <n=murble@debian.home.boughton.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 17d 1h 3m 25s ago, saying: 'lanky: or the grass is always greener?'. |
12:36.31 | morsing | Mmm... ./configure had been running for 50 minutes when it stopped because zlib wasn't installed :-( |
12:37.38 | wethrin | Oops |
12:37.44 | wethrin | That's a very long time for configure to be running |
12:38.01 | SlayerXP | compiling? how quaint. |
12:38.02 | morsing | wethrin: Yes, the disks on this system has always slowed everything down |
12:38.11 | SlayerXP | apt-get install <whatever> |
12:38.12 | SlayerXP | :) |
12:38.20 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Well.....someone somewhere has to compile :) |
12:38.22 | morsing | SlayerXP: It doesn't have apt-get |
12:38.28 | wethrin | morsing: Get faster disks |
12:38.35 | SlayerXP | morsing: you'll want to install debian first then |
12:38.45 | morsing | wethrin: Yes, if I knew that was the problem. |
12:39.11 | wethrin | Disks are cheap :) |
12:39.19 | morsing | SlayerXP: Debian doesn't support this archetecture and why would I when the OS on it is 10 times better |
12:39.25 | morsing | wethrin: No they're not |
12:39.31 | morsing | wethrin: £600 each |
12:39.37 | SlayerXP | morsing: which architecture is that? |
12:39.38 | morsing | And it needs two |
12:39.47 | wethrin | Surely just normal SCSI disks? |
12:40.13 | morsing | SlayerXP: chrp |
12:41.01 | morsing | wethrin: No - special IBM disks |
12:41.28 | morsing | wethrin: Although they do run with normal SCSI disks they lack a lot of features |
12:41.29 | wethrin | Ahhhh.....so just a firmware issue, then? |
12:41.34 | wethrin | 'features'? |
12:41.57 | morsing | Error logging, statistics and predictive stuff |
12:42.01 | SlayerXP | what's a chrp? |
12:42.17 | morsing | SlayerXP: It's an achitecture that Debian doesn't support |
12:42.30 | wethrin | ahh |
12:43.10 | George | I got told I should be shot today |
12:43.14 | George | in my mock interview |
12:44.06 | George | wethrin: still think mock interviews are pointless given this fact? :) |
12:44.13 | wethrin | Yes |
12:44.20 | George | hehe |
12:44.25 | wethrin | Nevertheless, I agree with the sentiment |
12:44.28 | wethrin | Why were you told that? |
12:44.29 | George | it was because I didn't know y=tan(x) |
12:44.35 | George | ie - how to draw it |
12:44.40 | wethrin | Oops :) |
12:44.44 | George | I worked it out though |
12:44.47 | George | using sin(x)/cos(x) |
12:44.50 | wethrin | Good good |
12:44.52 | George | :) |
12:45.04 | George | then I aced the rest of the question so he said I dug myself out of a hole very well :) |
12:45.17 | morsing | SlayerXP: Sorry it's actually RSPC in my case. A bit older than I though |
12:45.18 | wethrin | Good good |
12:45.28 | George | I was asked some pretty evil questions |
12:45.54 | wethrin | You may, or may not be, asked evil questions in the real interview |
12:46.01 | George | I_1 = integral of cos(x)/(cos(x) + sin(x)), and I_2 = integral of sin(x)/(cos(x) + sin(x)) |
12:46.02 | wethrin | And, even if you are, it really doesn't matter if you don't know the answer |
12:46.08 | George | then evaluate I_1 |
12:56.30 | morsing | Quick: |
12:56.31 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compaq-Proliant-6400-quad-Pentium-III-Xeon-server_W0QQitemZ5836732340QQcategoryZ1484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
12:57.16 | SlayerXP | i have sufficient doorstops, thanks |
12:57.29 | SlayerXP | "Very powerful server because the cpu’s" |
12:57.36 | SlayerXP | because the cpu's _what_ ? |
12:58.18 | George | probably OF the cpus :) |
12:58.41 | mikejw | wow my adapter is still working |
13:01.18 | SlayerXP | what do you all think of the faq's new look? |
13:01.20 | SlayerXP | assuming you looked |
13:01.24 | SlayerXP | which is pretty unlikely |
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13:26.35 | morsing | Check it! |
13:28.59 | wethrin | Heh |
13:39.38 | morsing | configure still running... |
13:40.42 | wethrin | Ha |
13:42.52 | morsing | When is Leeds coming back? |
13:46.20 | Blapto | Do you mean to the country, or the #? |
13:46.38 | morsing | # |
13:47.15 | Blapto | no clue |
13:49.07 | Blapto | excellent |
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14:03.57 | morsing | Blapto: How did you know that? |
14:04.06 | Blapto | I got a wall. |
14:05.26 | Blapto | I forget, do you have to IDENTIFY to talk in here? In case you do, last message read: I got a wall. |
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14:06.23 | morsing | What does this mean? |
14:06.24 | morsing | debug1: ssh_exchange_identification: sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
14:07.11 | Blapto | on some systems you can't just start sshd, you need to /etc/rc blah blah on gentoo at least. |
14:07.35 | morsing | Blapto: I've tried running it from inetd and as a daemon |
14:07.44 | Blapto | hmm |
14:07.55 | Blapto | Which distro? |
14:08.03 | morsing | AIX 5.3 |
14:09.21 | Blapto | I've got no idea, I'm afraid. |
14:09.28 | morsing | Ok, it works if I just kick if off from the command line |
14:09.38 | morsing | Blapto: It's openssh. No difference |
14:10.19 | Blapto | I've noticed a variation from distro to distro on how they like certain servies started, but that's probably just me being dim. |
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14:29.09 | mozrat | z00dax: ping |
14:29.35 | wethrin | foo |
14:32.37 | morsing | mozrat! |
14:35.42 | mozrat | morsing! |
14:41.40 | z00dax | mozrat, pong |
14:42.09 | mozrat | hey z00dax -- would you be able to tell me which CentOS packages are called '*winbind*' ? |
14:42.26 | mozrat | are there any extra lib or pam packages apart from the main winbind RPM? |
14:42.55 | z00dax | mozrat, give me a sec ( were talking C4 ? ) |
14:43.07 | mozrat | yep - take your time |
14:46.44 | z00dax | pam_winbind.so provided by samba-common.i386 |
14:46.49 | z00dax | ( on a single arch box ) |
14:47.35 | mozrat | ok - thanks. I'm trying to talk someone through connecting their box to AD |
14:47.53 | mozrat | and he can't make it work - I suspect it is something he is doing wrong :( |
14:47.54 | mozrat | nm |
14:49.42 | z00dax | there are a bunch of other pam options, including ldap, nis, mysql etc.. but i guess the one you need is pam_winbind |
14:49.53 | mozrat | yep |
14:50.54 | z00dax | did you use the 'setup' process ? just run 'setup' and config authentication from there ? |
14:51.07 | z00dax | I've not done an AD connect in a long time, but from what i've heard - its simple |
14:51.15 | mozrat | yeah it is |
14:51.28 | mozrat | no - we did it the manual way |
14:51.33 | mozrat | doesn't matter |
15:19.41 | z00dax | boudiccas, ping |
15:29.22 | boudiccas | z00dax; pong! |
15:29.59 | z00dax | boudiccas, did your gourmet issue get resolved to some extent ? |
15:30.02 | boudiccas | z00dax; gourmet is now working fine, ty :) |
15:30.06 | z00dax | ah :) |
15:30.16 | boudiccas | \me <-- a happy bunny |
15:30.26 | z00dax | its unlikey .15 will have the fix's we need - but .16 _should_ |
15:30.35 | boudiccas | crossed fingers |
15:30.40 | boudiccas | :))) |
15:30.53 | boudiccas | I'm just sorry that I've put you to all that work |
15:31.04 | z00dax | no worries |
15:31.23 | z00dax | had the same thing been written in perl, i might not have done much about it :) |
15:31.27 | boudiccas | i tend to get my \ and / miced up because of working so much with latex |
15:31.36 | boudiccas | *mixed |
15:32.55 | boudiccas | z00dax; ever heard of kdissert? |
15:34.53 | z00dax | nope |
15:35.54 | z00dax | a mind mapping tool.... |
15:36.02 | boudiccas | z00dax; a rather excellent mindmapping program. any chance of it being ported for centos please? |
15:36.59 | boudiccas | i have installed kdissert-1.0.5-1.fc4.i386.rpm with no problems |
15:39.06 | z00dax | thats odd, just checking something |
15:39.27 | boudiccas | k |
15:40.20 | z00dax | -rw-rw-r-- 1 kbsingh kbsingh 741503 Nov 29 21:39 kdissert-1.0.5-1.el4.kb.i386.rpm |
15:40.31 | z00dax | :)) |
15:42.10 | boudiccas | odd, i looked at the k page of your extras repo and didn't see it listed, so just assumed it wasn't in the repo |
15:42.21 | z00dax | its not in the repo... as yet |
15:42.39 | boudiccas | ah ha, thats why |
15:42.51 | boudiccas | in unstable or testing? |
15:43.06 | z00dax | its a part of a massive update I've been working on for the last 3 weeks - I need to burn this onto DVD and take it somewhere I can upload a few dozen gigs from |
15:43.34 | z00dax | I can upload just this one single pkg into misc-testing if you want |
15:43.43 | boudiccas | ah, i see. you still having broadband problems? |
15:43.46 | z00dax | or misc-stable even, it does work fine |
15:43.59 | boudiccas | oooh, yes please |
15:44.15 | z00dax | boudiccas, even on broadband, it will take days to get it all uploaded, uplink on ADSL sux |
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15:44.44 | boudiccas | how many gigabits to be uploaded are we talking about? |
15:45.48 | boudiccas | hm, i remember ftp'ing a proggie to a friend in devon, took a sunday f=afternoon and part of the evning |
15:45.53 | z00dax | about 9 gigs, including powerpc pkgs and debug's and build logs etc |
15:46.25 | boudiccas | sheesh! a real biggie! my little 125kbs uplaod wouldn't even dent it |
15:47.27 | boudiccas | if it had only been 2g or so, i would've offered to help upload, but that maount would take me several days |
15:47.37 | boudiccas | *amount |
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15:48.11 | morsing | JAV! |
15:48.19 | JAV | morsing!! |
15:48.27 | mozrat | z00dax: you need some bandwidth? |
15:48.34 | JAV | good afternoon |
15:48.47 | morsing | mozrat: No - why? |
15:48.47 | boudiccas | JAV; hiyas :) |
15:48.58 | mozrat | morsing: hmm? |
15:49.05 | z00dax | mozrat, yes! I could use some b/w |
15:49.24 | mozrat | z00dax: how can I help - I have lots at work I can use to upload stuff |
15:49.44 | z00dax | ah.. cool cool... |
15:49.52 | z00dax | which part of town is work for you ? |
15:49.58 | mozrat | Paddington, W2 |
15:50.12 | mozrat | right next to the station |
15:50.37 | Leeds | evening all |
15:50.42 | z00dax | I could get 2 DVD's with the 'data' over to you :) |
15:50.44 | z00dax | hey Leeds |
15:51.04 | boudiccas | Leeds; afternoon :) |
15:51.16 | mozrat | z00dax: cool - where do you live? I travel home on the central line if it's easier than you coming over here |
15:51.45 | z00dax | mozrat, I am in Bexley |
15:52.08 | z00dax | but work is E14 |
15:52.11 | mozrat | z00dax: my grandmother lives in Bexley! |
15:52.20 | mozrat | but she has no bandwidth at all |
15:52.26 | z00dax | is that a hint! :) |
15:52.46 | mozrat | z00dax: no :) - what is the best way to get the DVDs? |
15:54.50 | z00dax | I could meet you @ Bank ? |
15:55.24 | JAV | LPI exams at FOSDEM. It looks like a good opportunity to get a certification. 50 euros/exam |
15:55.54 | mozrat | z00dax: sure |
15:56.36 | z00dax | or is Euston Sq better for you ? if want to make it after work one day, and if Indian food is good with you -> I know a half decent eating place next to there |
15:57.14 | mozrat | of the 2 bank is closer - Food would be great but I have shit loads of work on this week :( |
15:57.22 | mozrat | work is thrashing me |
15:57.55 | z00dax | cool. |
15:58.11 | z00dax | is Wednesday after work good with you ? |
15:58.34 | mozrat | yep! |
15:58.50 | mozrat | if you want sooner you could send them |
15:58.54 | mozrat | up to you |
15:59.37 | z00dax | I m prolly not going to be at work Tuesday, and it will take me a day atleast to get everything together, Wed is good with me |
15:59.43 | mozrat | cool |
15:59.44 | z00dax | boudiccas, your 1 pkg should be online now |
15:59.55 | z00dax | mozrat, much thanks :) |
16:00.00 | mozrat | np :) |
16:00.16 | z00dax | I've been dreading having to lockup my adsl link |
16:04.23 | boudiccas | z00dax; thank you very muchly :) |
16:04.39 | mozrat | z00dax: we have 2x34Mbps links into this building :) |
16:07.17 | boudiccas | z00dax; can i prevail on you further and ask for an url/link to the package please? |
16:09.09 | z00dax | boudiccas, http://centos.karan.org/el4/misc/stable/i386/RPMS/repodata/repoview/kdissert-0-1.0.5-1.el4.kb.html |
16:09.12 | z00dax | mozrat, nice |
16:09.57 | z00dax | maybe I should ask people to donate me a server box somewhere here in the area, then I could just walk over and cp stuff over |
16:10.49 | z00dax | my present boxen sit in france ( donated ) or in the US ( paid for ). simple economics make hosting the same sort of thing in the UK , rather expensive |
16:20.36 | George | I'm tired |
16:20.59 | Leeds | hmm... Ellen MacArthur done the fastest lap ever in Top Gear last night |
16:22.50 | mozrat | Leeds: good isn't it |
16:23.40 | Leeds | yes... |
16:23.48 | Leeds | so, am I over-reacting here? http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=47873#post47855 |
16:25.52 | wethrin | no.... |
16:29.37 | Leeds | I'm glad I got the Sony reference in |
16:30.22 | wethrin | indeed |
16:30.33 | Leeds | and Mr. Brown seems suprisingly uninformed about the state of the UK economy |
16:30.39 | SlayerXP | Leeds: I'd class that as "whining liked a spanked little girl" |
16:31.17 | Leeds | SlayerXP: thank you |
16:31.44 | SlayerXP | np |
16:32.57 | SlayerXP | you fail Copyright Theft 101 by the way |
16:33.54 | SlayerXP | "I can, for example, download a game, CD, book, movie or TV show, try it out, then buy it if I feel like doing so." |
16:33.59 | SlayerXP | BZZZT. Wrong. |
16:34.27 | SlayerXP | Cds are not released as shareware |
16:34.32 | SlayerXP | Movies are not released as shareware |
16:34.41 | SlayerXP | TV shows are not released as shareware |
16:34.43 | Leeds | you are confusing the words may and can |
16:34.43 | SlayerXP | (usually) |
16:35.00 | SlayerXP | you can beat up grannies, do you? |
16:35.10 | Leeds | I can, but I don't |
16:35.21 | SlayerXP | why not? |
16:35.49 | wethrin | One is physically able to perform an activity, even if said activity may be illegal |
16:36.50 | SlayerXP | I fail to see why you think stealing from $company is morally different to stealing from a old lady. |
16:37.57 | SlayerXP | either you break the law, whether you think the law is justified or not, or you don't |
16:38.26 | SlayerXP | the fatc is that the companies have the right to curb and limit the distribution of the media and content they produce |
16:38.28 | SlayerXP | fact |
16:38.36 | Leeds | I generally avoid stealing from anyone... but I do infringe on copyright frequently |
16:38.37 | wethrin | One is an act of deprivation of a physical entity, the other is not |
16:38.39 | SlayerXP | if you don't like it, that's fine, you don't have to. |
16:38.42 | Erwin | The copyright stuff is pretty simple to solve. Stop buying from big companies |
16:38.51 | SlayerXP | wethrin: there is _zero_ difference. |
16:38.59 | Erwin | And stop stealing from them as well. Support independent artists that are not hostile in their policies. |
16:39.00 | SlayerXP | Erwin: indeed. |
16:39.04 | Leeds | anyway, it's long past my bedtime - goodnight all |
16:39.17 | Erwin | But the thing is, people that pirate don't want to. They like the popular music, popular movies etc. |
16:39.40 | Erwin | They claim how evil the companies that produce them are but hypocratically, they still want it. |
16:40.18 | Erwin | And why? Because independent stuff is 99% crap. The big companies are ruthless in their pursue of profit but they manage to produce good stuff. |
16:40.22 | Leeds | honestly, my main problem is that fact that living where I do severely limits my legal access to all sorts of things - more severely than if I were in the UK, but access in the UK is limited too |
16:40.33 | Leeds | I am quite happy to pay - if I am given the option |
16:40.33 | SlayerXP | "all modern music is shit" "btw, can ne1 lecch0r Britney's new album for me?" |
16:41.19 | Leeds | I pay my TV license - I am still required to, even if there is no possible way I can get BBC broadcasts |
16:41.40 | SlayerXP | Leeds: not truem you can request for your equipment to be inspected. |
16:41.43 | SlayerXP | true, |
16:42.02 | Erwin | Leeds: I don't see why. My TV is in a closet, I don't use it and they have said I don't have to pay any liecnse but someone could come along inspect it. |
16:42.27 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I have equipment at my premises in the UK which are quite capable of getting the broadcasts and am therefore still required to pay - even if I happen to be living thousands of miles away |
16:42.52 | SlayerXP | Leeds: nope. other rubbish dump everywhere would be required to pay |
16:43.24 | Leeds | anyway, I'm happy to keep paying, on the basis that I can still easy watch the BBC shows I want to watch |
16:43.40 | Leeds | where easily does not necessarily mean the same as legally |
16:43.48 | SlayerXP | (incidentaly, it's perfectly legal in norway to download TV shows) |
16:43.51 | Leeds | and I really do have to go to bed |
16:44.26 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I thought the case in .no was that it isn't legal to download but the corporate companies have no legal way to catch you |
16:44.35 | mozrat | is that the same thing as being legal in Norway? |
16:45.22 | SlayerXP | mozrat: once something has been broadcast, there's no limit on the private use of said material |
16:45.51 | SlayerXP | on the basis that the signal would have permeated through the person's property |
16:46.25 | SlayerXP | in norway, you own anything people place on your property unless there is an explicit agreement that you need to pay for it |
16:47.32 | SlayerXP | people _do not_ park cars on private property without explicit permission here :) |
16:47.41 | mozrat | http://www.zeropaid.com/news/5442/First+conviction+for+file-sharing+in+Norway |
16:47.41 | SlayerXP | a free car? why tahnkyo very much! |
16:48.05 | SlayerXP | yes, he _served_ content |
16:48.23 | SlayerXP | distributing copyright material, in breach of copyright restrictions, is illegal |
16:48.28 | mozrat | so it's legal to download it but not serve it |
16:48.31 | SlayerXP | yup |
16:48.48 | mozrat | and if you download material that hasn't been broadcast in Norway? |
16:49.35 | SlayerXP | reasonable prrof would have to be presented to the .no authorities before any kind of legal proceedings could take place |
16:49.38 | SlayerXP | proof |
16:49.52 | SlayerXP | there are no consumer static IP connections in .no |
16:49.56 | mozrat | so documentaries about fish and skiing aplenty |
16:50.05 | mozrat | hollywood films - not so much |
16:50.33 | SlayerXP | ISPs do not log |
16:57.03 | mozrat | How I found my desk Tux this morning - http://www.beerandspeech.org/uploads/Images//Date/200512/_DSC5675.serendipityThumb.JPG |
16:57.15 | mozrat | bastards |
16:59.29 | Erwin | Can anyone recommend a good Opteron-based desktop system? I need a desktop that matches our server, and not something build of parts but from a reputable vendor. The Sun Ultra 20? |
17:00.02 | mikejw_ | mozrat: lol |
17:01.23 | SlayerXP | Erwin: i bought an opty desktop system from flexiserv, it's been faultless. |
17:05.15 | Erwin | SlayerXP: Does it have some specific name? I can only find rackmounted products |
17:07.05 | SlayerXP | Erwin: you have to call them up and ask, they don't advertise thei desktop stuff |
17:10.21 | mozrat | NSFW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ENTIRE-PORN-COMPANY-FOR-SALE_W0QQitemZ7567775239QQcategoryZ11764QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem << An entire Pr0n company for sale!" |
17:27.07 | mozrat | hometime! |
17:47.59 | z00dax | looks like http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/ lost its index |
17:52.54 | SlayerXP | Erwin: just alll them and ask. |
17:52.57 | SlayerXP | call |
18:40.04 | George | ...the school chaplain overheard me say "she will do unto me what god did unto the sodomites" |
18:40.10 | George | he turned around and looked at me, aghast |
18:48.09 | mozrat | Extra religious studies for you then |
18:48.27 | George | :) |
18:48.37 | George | I don't do RS |
18:49.00 | mozrat | Good |
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19:22.03 | George | http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1650296,00.html |
19:22.07 | George | they have GOT to be taking the piss |
19:24.56 | mikejw_ | :) |
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19:31.11 | Erwin | He should team up with the Canadian minister that wants formally to contact the aliens |
21:21.11 | Cope | meeo |
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22:23.46 | Cope | wethrin: explain de morgan's theorem to George |
22:32.04 | Cope | convenient |
22:48.29 | Cope | test |
22:49.29 | mikejw_ | :) |
23:12.21 | George | harhar |
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23:20.40 | Erwin | What's the cheapest UK crackberry subscription? I assume you need to forward your email to some address to get the instant display |
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23:56.31 | wethrin | Cope: What what? |
23:56.55 | wethrin | De Morgan? As in notting everything, and swapping ANDs and ORs? |
23:57.12 | George | and eating sausages |
23:57.13 | George | of coures |
23:59.47 | wethrin | SOSSIDGES |