irclog2html for #gllug on 20051205

00:02.40mikejwok
00:04.51Leedsfrankly, it's quite a long way out
00:08.54mikejwyeah it seems so :)
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00:46.30Leedstime to go to work...
00:46.57mozratsee ya
01:06.54resuDaedfinished as much as I am going to do on that damn presentation... grrrr
01:07.00resuDaedtime to relax
01:10.57mozratnice
01:11.05mozrattake it easy
01:43.37z00daxhey mozrat
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02:27.08z00daxits only half past 2
02:27.10z00daxslacker
02:27.12z00dax:)
02:28.46Leedsit's midmorning and you all should have been at work for ages
02:32.35z00daxI've been pretty much working round the clock the last 4 days
02:33.37AngelChildI was working earlier!
02:34.37LeedsI'm a lazy git
02:38.11AngelChildhehe
02:45.28Leedswhoa, big phone bill...
02:45.34Leedsibot change $213 hkd to gbp
02:45.44Leedsibot change 213 hkd to gbp
05:46.19new2unixmoin all
06:16.19Copemorning
07:10.46Leedsso, it's the coldest day of the season, and there's a fire warning out
07:11.58new2unixLeeds: hk?
07:12.19Leedsyes
07:13.58new2unixLeeds: must meet up on your return to .uk Would love to hear your latest bra stories/escapades
07:15.14Leedsnew2unix: you around at Christmas?
07:21.03new2unixLeeds: Yes. Off to NewYork on Wednesday. Should be back for Xmas.
08:43.59highburymorning
08:45.19Leedshi
08:48.20highburythis may be my last day on irc for a while :-(
08:49.10Leedswhy?
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08:49.45Leedsmorsing!
08:49.49morsingLeeds!
08:50.41Leedshighbury: for the record, the Mac Mini has been doing sterling work: uptime of 120 days
08:50.42highburyoff to Oxfordshire, B&B doesn't have internet access, I don't know how much I will have at work, when I start tomorrow
08:51.25highburyLeeds: cool! I'm intrigued by the reports of an intel based version from apple in the new year
08:51.32Leedsso am I
08:52.20Leedsmine currently has nearly 400GB of disk hanging off it (or in it)
08:52.49morsingWhy does scp inconsistently not set the file permissions correctly?
08:56.07morsingHello?
08:56.49Leedswhat does correctly mean?  is there no pattern at all?
09:00.32morsingumaks says "02"
09:00.49morsingSorry, 07
09:01.44morsingBut when scping the permissions are 640
09:03.20Leedssource permissions?
09:06.37morsingOk, I think someone here has misunderstood what umask does
09:07.13Leedsit masks out from 777 rather than being a base on top of which permissions are applied
09:07.48morsingI know. Someone sent me a confusing email. They will be straightened out
09:10.35wethrinhello
09:11.20Leedswethrin: ah, just the man I was waiting for
09:11.25wethrineek? :)
09:11.31morsingwethrin!
09:11.37Leedsbe a good chap and approve my social post?
09:11.47morsingCan't believe my brake master cylinder sold for only £6 :-(
09:12.21morsingLeeds: You haven't posted one?
09:13.18Leedsmorsing: what?
09:13.30wethrinApproved
09:14.15Leedswethrin: thank'ee sire :-)
09:15.19morsing09:11 < Leeds> be a good chap and approve my social post?
09:15.26wethrinnp
09:15.26morsingLeeds: What?
09:15.50Leedsmorsing: what?
09:16.50wethrinLeeds: "people failed to blow things up......hoping for better circumstances"? :)
09:17.00Leedsokay, possibly badly phrased
09:17.09wethrinA little :)
09:17.20wethrinOh, and I'll make sure I'll be there
09:19.11Leedsmorsing: I'm sure you could find somewhere to put me up for the night, right?
09:19.22wethrinDo you prefer a pub close to a tube station, or don't mind a bit of a walk?
09:20.35Leedsdon't really mind a walk
09:20.54wethrinRight - the Star of Belgravia is a very nice pub, if fairly small
09:21.08wethrinHowever, I have no idea about any opening times over Christmas
09:21.32Leedshmm... 168 quid for an overnight return to Copenhagen could be taking the piss slightly
09:36.07morsingibot wake mozrat
09:36.09ibotmozrat: GOOD MORNING!!!
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09:43.17Leedshmm... consider a merged Virgin mobile and NTL...
09:46.32Leedsah well, time to head off...
09:49.41morsingWhere's the best place to buy cheap flights to California?
09:54.25mozratmorsing!
09:54.29morsingmozrat: !
09:54.45mozratmorsing: I don't know the best place to buy cheap flights to California
09:54.57morsingmozrat: How do I correctly monitor a host that doesn't respond to pings?
09:55.06mozrattcpping
09:56.30morsingAhh...
09:56.46morsingBut do I have to if I'm monitoring services on that host?
09:57.09mikejw16:45
09:57.21morsing18:23
09:57.21mozratmorsing: no
09:57.23mikejwoops.. wrong window :S
09:57.44morsingmozrat: So I just disable host monitoing and it can correctly determine if the host is down?
09:57.53mikejwmorning gus :)
09:57.58mozratmorsing: I think so, yes
09:58.00mozrathey mikejw
09:58.30mozrattsk tsk - look at all of these illegal copies of books "Isn't it terrible" http://citrin.ru/docs/
10:07.29morsingbeer
10:07.35mozratspeech
10:27.29morsingI want to send out a link to a page that's generated by a javascript call. Is that possible?
10:28.12morsingThe link is http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG247463/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm
10:28.43morsingAnd the menu I want says javascript:fD(258);
10:29.04morsingCan this be done or do I have to describe to people where to go in the menus?
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10:30.10morsingSlayerXP!
10:30.15SlayerXPmorning
10:31.37SlayerXPi have thrown my web dsign skills at the FAQ in a torrid session of sheer brilliance
10:31.42SlayerXPit now looks merely ugly
10:31.48morsingMmm... ugly
10:37.47morsingNo answer to my question?
10:38.09SlayerXPwhich was?
10:45.41morsingI want to email a link to section 6.6.5 of this document:
10:45.44morsinghttp://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG247463/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm
10:48.33SlayerXPmm, send suggested text
10:48.37SlayerXPmartin@hinterlands.org
10:48.45morsingSlayerXP: Eh?!!?
10:48.58SlayerXPyou talking about the faq?
10:49.03morsingSlayerXP: No
10:49.06SlayerXPoh
10:49.44SlayerXPwell I was
10:50.05morsingI want to email a link to a section in a document on IBM website to some colleagues.
10:50.19morsingUnfortunately is some javascript stuff!
10:51.25morsingkbsingh!
10:51.32z00daxmorsing!
10:51.45z00dax*cough*
10:56.52morsingMmm... Solaris
10:59.41morsingA line of the crontab file:
10:59.41morsing<PROTECTED>
10:59.44morsingcontains the following error:
10:59.46morsingWhy?
10:59.48morsing<PROTECTED>
11:02.27Erwinmorsing: you put the minutes in the hours
11:02.32ErwinOr is the company you work for such one that you have 60-hour work days? :)
11:02.59morsingErwin: Of course!
11:12.51wethrinhello
11:15.52morsingwethrin!
11:15.54morsingBeer?
11:16.11morsingIs there a pub-meet before X-mas?
11:16.32wethrinMaybe on the 20th?
11:16.38SlayerXPthat's my birthday
11:16.42wethrinHurrah!
11:16.44morsingYay
11:16.49wethrinBut you'll be on .no, won't you?
11:16.50morsingIs that a Monday?
11:16.55wethrinNo, Tuesday
11:17.38mozratMorning z00dax sorry to hear you are unwell
11:18.12SlayerXPwethrin: I will, yes.
11:19.26wethrinHm. Then we'll just have to drink in London for you
11:19.43wethrinmorsing: I'm back from Cologne that evening, so could have yet another drink before heading home
11:21.39morsingCologne?
11:21.49morsingIs that "english" for Koln?
11:23.01wethrinYes
11:23.08wethrinBecause I couldn't be bothered to type Köln
11:34.28morsingCheck it!
11:34.56wethrincheck what?
11:35.17morsingYo!
11:35.24wethrinyo?
11:35.38morsingWazzup?
11:36.11wethrinheh
11:38.14morsingchecking how to specify blibpath for linker (gcc)...
11:38.23morsingHas been checking for 6 minutes now?!
11:41.15morsingWhat's a blimppath anyway?
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12:28.41wethrinmorsing: It's the route taken by an airship
12:32.14Georgeello
12:32.17GeorgeI like sausage rolls
12:32.18Georgemmmm
12:32.19Georgefood.
12:32.25morsingGeorge!
12:32.33Georgehey
12:33.02morsingMIt Fet Nugan
12:35.46morsing~seen murb
12:35.48ibotmurb <n=murble@debian.home.boughton.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 17d 1h 3m 25s ago, saying: 'lanky: or the grass is always greener?'.
12:36.31morsingMmm... ./configure had been running for 50 minutes when it stopped because zlib wasn't installed :-(
12:37.38wethrinOops
12:37.44wethrinThat's a very long time for configure to be running
12:38.01SlayerXPcompiling?  how quaint.
12:38.02morsingwethrin: Yes, the disks on this system has always slowed everything down
12:38.11SlayerXPapt-get install <whatever>
12:38.12SlayerXP:)
12:38.20wethrinSlayerXP: Well.....someone somewhere has to compile :)
12:38.22morsingSlayerXP: It doesn't have apt-get
12:38.28wethrinmorsing: Get faster disks
12:38.35SlayerXPmorsing: you'll want to install debian first then
12:38.45morsingwethrin: Yes, if I knew that was the problem.
12:39.11wethrinDisks are cheap :)
12:39.19morsingSlayerXP: Debian doesn't support this archetecture and why would I when the OS on it is 10 times better
12:39.25morsingwethrin: No they're not
12:39.31morsingwethrin: £600 each
12:39.37SlayerXPmorsing: which architecture is that?
12:39.38morsingAnd it needs two
12:39.47wethrinSurely just normal SCSI disks?
12:40.13morsingSlayerXP: chrp
12:41.01morsingwethrin: No - special IBM disks
12:41.28morsingwethrin: Although they do run with normal SCSI disks they lack a lot of features
12:41.29wethrinAhhhh.....so just a firmware issue, then?
12:41.34wethrin'features'?
12:41.57morsingError logging, statistics and predictive stuff
12:42.01SlayerXPwhat's a chrp?
12:42.17morsingSlayerXP: It's an achitecture that Debian doesn't support
12:42.30wethrinahh
12:43.10GeorgeI got told I should be shot today
12:43.14Georgein my mock interview
12:44.06Georgewethrin: still think mock interviews are pointless given this fact? :)
12:44.13wethrinYes
12:44.20Georgehehe
12:44.25wethrinNevertheless, I agree with the sentiment
12:44.28wethrinWhy were you told that?
12:44.29Georgeit was because I didn't know y=tan(x)
12:44.35Georgeie - how to draw it
12:44.40wethrinOops :)
12:44.44GeorgeI worked it out though
12:44.47Georgeusing sin(x)/cos(x)
12:44.50wethrinGood good
12:44.52George:)
12:45.04Georgethen I aced the rest of the question so he said I dug myself out of a hole very well :)
12:45.17morsingSlayerXP: Sorry it's actually RSPC in my case. A bit older than I though
12:45.18wethrinGood good
12:45.28GeorgeI was asked some pretty evil questions
12:45.54wethrinYou may, or may not be, asked evil questions in the real interview
12:46.01GeorgeI_1 = integral of cos(x)/(cos(x) + sin(x)), and I_2 = integral of sin(x)/(cos(x) + sin(x))
12:46.02wethrinAnd, even if you are, it really doesn't matter if you don't know the answer
12:46.08Georgethen evaluate I_1
12:56.30morsingQuick:
12:56.31morsinghttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compaq-Proliant-6400-quad-Pentium-III-Xeon-server_W0QQitemZ5836732340QQcategoryZ1484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:57.16SlayerXPi have sufficient doorstops, thanks
12:57.29SlayerXP"Very powerful server because the cpu’s"
12:57.36SlayerXPbecause the cpu's  _what_ ?
12:58.18Georgeprobably OF the cpus :)
12:58.41mikejwwow my adapter is still working
13:01.18SlayerXPwhat do you all think of the faq's new look?
13:01.20SlayerXPassuming you looked
13:01.24SlayerXPwhich is pretty unlikely
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13:26.35morsingCheck it!
13:28.59wethrinHeh
13:39.38morsingconfigure still running...
13:40.42wethrinHa
13:42.52morsingWhen is Leeds coming back?
13:46.20BlaptoDo you mean to the country, or the #?
13:46.38morsing#
13:47.15Blaptono clue
13:49.07Blaptoexcellent
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14:02.28BlaptoI'm about to netsplit apparently... brb.
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14:03.57morsingBlapto: How did you know that?
14:04.06BlaptoI got a wall.
14:05.26BlaptoI forget, do you have to IDENTIFY to talk in here?  In case you do, last message read: I got a wall.
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14:06.23morsingWhat does this mean?
14:06.24morsingdebug1: ssh_exchange_identification: sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
14:07.11Blaptoon some systems you can't just start sshd, you need to /etc/rc blah blah on gentoo at least.
14:07.35morsingBlapto: I've tried running it from inetd and as a daemon
14:07.44Blaptohmm
14:07.55BlaptoWhich distro?
14:08.03morsingAIX 5.3
14:09.21BlaptoI've got no idea, I'm afraid.
14:09.28morsingOk, it works if I just kick if off from the command line
14:09.38morsingBlapto: It's openssh. No difference
14:10.19BlaptoI've noticed a variation from distro to distro on how they like certain servies started, but that's probably just me being dim.
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14:29.09mozratz00dax: ping
14:29.35wethrinfoo
14:32.37morsingmozrat!
14:35.42mozratmorsing!
14:41.40z00daxmozrat, pong
14:42.09mozrathey z00dax -- would you be able to tell me which CentOS packages are called '*winbind*' ?
14:42.26mozratare there any extra lib or pam packages apart from the main winbind RPM?
14:42.55z00daxmozrat, give me a sec ( were talking C4 ? )
14:43.07mozratyep - take your time
14:46.44z00daxpam_winbind.so provided by samba-common.i386
14:46.49z00dax( on a single arch box )
14:47.35mozratok - thanks. I'm trying to talk someone through connecting their box to AD
14:47.53mozratand he can't make it work - I suspect it is something he is doing wrong :(
14:47.54mozratnm
14:49.42z00daxthere are a bunch of other pam options, including ldap, nis, mysql etc.. but i guess the one you need is pam_winbind
14:49.53mozratyep
14:50.54z00daxdid you use the 'setup' process ? just run 'setup' and config authentication from there ?
14:51.07z00daxI've not done an AD connect in a long time, but from what i've heard - its simple
14:51.15mozratyeah it is
14:51.28mozratno - we did it the manual way
14:51.33mozratdoesn't matter
15:19.41z00daxboudiccas, ping
15:29.22boudiccasz00dax; pong!
15:29.59z00daxboudiccas, did your gourmet issue get resolved to some extent ?
15:30.02boudiccasz00dax; gourmet is now working fine, ty :)
15:30.06z00daxah :)
15:30.16boudiccas\me <-- a happy bunny
15:30.26z00daxits unlikey .15 will have the fix's we need - but .16 _should_
15:30.35boudiccascrossed fingers
15:30.40boudiccas:)))
15:30.53boudiccasI'm just sorry that I've put you to all that work
15:31.04z00daxno worries
15:31.23z00daxhad the same thing been written in perl, i might not have done much about it :)
15:31.27boudiccasi tend to get my \ and / miced up because of working so much with latex
15:31.36boudiccas*mixed
15:32.55boudiccasz00dax; ever heard of kdissert?
15:34.53z00daxnope
15:35.54z00daxa mind mapping tool....
15:36.02boudiccasz00dax; a rather excellent mindmapping program. any chance of it being ported for centos please?
15:36.59boudiccasi have installed kdissert-1.0.5-1.fc4.i386.rpm with no problems
15:39.06z00daxthats odd, just checking something
15:39.27boudiccask
15:40.20z00dax-rw-rw-r--  1 kbsingh kbsingh 741503 Nov 29 21:39 kdissert-1.0.5-1.el4.kb.i386.rpm
15:40.31z00dax:))
15:42.10boudiccasodd, i looked at the k page of your extras repo and didn't see it listed, so just assumed it wasn't in the repo
15:42.21z00daxits not in the repo... as yet
15:42.39boudiccasah ha, thats why
15:42.51boudiccasin unstable or testing?
15:43.06z00daxits a part of a massive update I've been working on for the last 3 weeks - I need to burn this onto DVD and take it somewhere I can upload a few dozen gigs from
15:43.34z00daxI can upload just this one single pkg into misc-testing if you want
15:43.43boudiccasah, i see. you still having broadband problems?
15:43.46z00daxor misc-stable even, it does work fine
15:43.59boudiccasoooh, yes please
15:44.15z00daxboudiccas, even on broadband, it will take days to get it all uploaded, uplink on ADSL sux
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15:44.44boudiccashow many gigabits to be uploaded are we talking about?
15:45.48boudiccashm, i remember ftp'ing a proggie to a friend in devon, took a sunday f=afternoon and part of the evning
15:45.53z00daxabout 9 gigs, including powerpc pkgs and debug's and build logs etc
15:46.25boudiccassheesh! a real biggie! my little 125kbs uplaod wouldn't even dent it
15:47.27boudiccasif it had only been 2g or so, i would've offered to help upload, but that maount would take me several days
15:47.37boudiccas*amount
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15:48.11morsingJAV!
15:48.19JAVmorsing!!
15:48.27mozratz00dax: you need some bandwidth?
15:48.34JAVgood afternoon
15:48.47morsingmozrat: No - why?
15:48.47boudiccasJAV; hiyas :)
15:48.58mozratmorsing: hmm?
15:49.05z00daxmozrat, yes! I could use some b/w
15:49.24mozratz00dax: how can I help - I have lots at work I can use to upload stuff
15:49.44z00daxah.. cool cool...
15:49.52z00daxwhich part of town is work for you ?
15:49.58mozratPaddington, W2
15:50.12mozratright next to the station
15:50.37Leedsevening all
15:50.42z00daxI could get 2 DVD's with the 'data' over to you :)
15:50.44z00daxhey Leeds
15:51.04boudiccasLeeds; afternoon :)
15:51.16mozratz00dax: cool - where do you live? I travel home on the central line if it's easier than you coming over here
15:51.45z00daxmozrat, I am in Bexley
15:52.08z00daxbut work is E14
15:52.11mozratz00dax: my grandmother lives in Bexley!
15:52.20mozratbut she has no bandwidth at all
15:52.26z00daxis that a hint! :)
15:52.46mozratz00dax: no :) - what is the best way to get the DVDs?
15:54.50z00daxI could meet you @ Bank ?
15:55.24JAVLPI exams at FOSDEM. It looks like a good opportunity to get a certification. 50 euros/exam
15:55.54mozratz00dax: sure
15:56.36z00daxor is Euston Sq better for you ? if want to make it after work one day, and if Indian food is good with you -> I know a half decent eating place next to there
15:57.14mozratof the 2 bank is closer - Food would be great but I have shit loads of work on this week :(
15:57.22mozratwork is thrashing me
15:57.55z00daxcool.
15:58.11z00daxis Wednesday after work good with you ?
15:58.34mozratyep!
15:58.50mozratif you want sooner you could send them
15:58.54mozratup to you
15:59.37z00daxI m prolly not going to be at work Tuesday, and it  will take me a day atleast to get everything together, Wed is good with me
15:59.43mozratcool
15:59.44z00daxboudiccas, your 1 pkg should be online now
15:59.55z00daxmozrat, much thanks :)
16:00.00mozratnp :)
16:00.16z00daxI've been dreading having to lockup my adsl link
16:04.23boudiccasz00dax; thank you very muchly :)
16:04.39mozratz00dax: we have 2x34Mbps links into this building :)
16:07.17boudiccasz00dax; can i prevail on you further and ask for an url/link to the package please?
16:09.09z00daxboudiccas, http://centos.karan.org/el4/misc/stable/i386/RPMS/repodata/repoview/kdissert-0-1.0.5-1.el4.kb.html
16:09.12z00daxmozrat, nice
16:09.57z00daxmaybe I should ask people to donate me a server box somewhere here in the area, then I could just walk over and cp stuff over
16:10.49z00daxmy present boxen sit in france ( donated ) or in the US ( paid for ). simple economics make hosting the same sort of thing in the UK , rather expensive
16:20.36GeorgeI'm tired
16:20.59Leedshmm... Ellen MacArthur done the fastest lap ever in Top Gear last night
16:22.50mozratLeeds: good isn't it
16:23.40Leedsyes...
16:23.48Leedsso, am I over-reacting here? http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=47873#post47855
16:25.52wethrinno....
16:29.37LeedsI'm glad I got the Sony reference in
16:30.22wethrinindeed
16:30.33Leedsand Mr. Brown seems suprisingly uninformed about the state of the UK economy
16:30.39SlayerXPLeeds: I'd class that as "whining liked a spanked little girl"
16:31.17LeedsSlayerXP: thank you
16:31.44SlayerXPnp
16:32.57SlayerXPyou fail Copyright Theft 101 by the way
16:33.54SlayerXP"I can, for example, download a game, CD, book, movie or TV show, try it out, then buy it if I feel like doing so."
16:33.59SlayerXPBZZZT. Wrong.
16:34.27SlayerXPCds are not released as shareware
16:34.32SlayerXPMovies are not released as shareware
16:34.41SlayerXPTV shows are not released as shareware
16:34.43Leedsyou are confusing the words may and can
16:34.43SlayerXP(usually)
16:35.00SlayerXPyou can beat up grannies, do you?
16:35.10LeedsI can, but I don't
16:35.21SlayerXPwhy not?
16:35.49wethrinOne is physically able to perform an activity, even if said activity may be illegal
16:36.50SlayerXPI fail to see why you think stealing from $company is morally different to stealing from a old lady.
16:37.57SlayerXPeither you break the law, whether you think the law is justified or not, or you don't
16:38.26SlayerXPthe fatc is that the companies have the right to curb and limit the distribution of the media and content they produce
16:38.28SlayerXPfact
16:38.36LeedsI generally avoid stealing from anyone... but I do infringe on copyright frequently
16:38.37wethrinOne is an act of deprivation of a physical entity, the other is not
16:38.39SlayerXPif you don't like it, that's fine, you don't have to.
16:38.42ErwinThe copyright stuff is pretty simple to solve. Stop buying from big companies
16:38.51SlayerXPwethrin: there is _zero_ difference.
16:38.59ErwinAnd stop stealing from them as well. Support independent artists that are not hostile in their policies.
16:39.00SlayerXPErwin: indeed.
16:39.04Leedsanyway, it's long past my bedtime - goodnight all
16:39.17ErwinBut the thing is, people that pirate don't want to. They like the popular music, popular movies etc.
16:39.40ErwinThey claim how evil the companies that produce them are but hypocratically, they still want it.
16:40.18ErwinAnd why? Because independent stuff is 99% crap. The big companies are ruthless in their pursue of profit but they manage to produce good stuff.
16:40.22Leedshonestly, my main problem is that fact that living where I do severely limits my legal access to all sorts of things - more severely than if I were in the UK, but access in the UK is limited too
16:40.33LeedsI am quite happy to pay - if I am given the option
16:40.33SlayerXP"all modern music is shit"    "btw, can ne1 lecch0r Britney's new album for me?"
16:41.19LeedsI pay my TV license - I am still required to, even if there is no possible way I can get BBC broadcasts
16:41.40SlayerXPLeeds: not truem you can request for your equipment to be inspected.
16:41.43SlayerXPtrue,
16:42.02ErwinLeeds: I don't see why. My TV is in a closet, I don't use it and they have said I don't have to pay any liecnse but someone could come along inspect it.
16:42.27LeedsSlayerXP: I have equipment at my premises in the UK which are quite capable of getting the broadcasts and am therefore still required to pay - even if I happen to be living thousands of miles away
16:42.52SlayerXPLeeds: nope.  other rubbish dump everywhere would be required to pay
16:43.24Leedsanyway, I'm happy to keep paying, on the basis that I can still easy watch the BBC shows I want to watch
16:43.40Leedswhere easily does not necessarily mean the same as legally
16:43.48SlayerXP(incidentaly, it's perfectly legal in norway to download TV shows)
16:43.51Leedsand I really do have to go to bed
16:44.26mozratSlayerXP: I thought the case in .no was that it isn't legal to download but the corporate companies have no legal way to catch you
16:44.35mozratis that the same thing as being legal in Norway?
16:45.22SlayerXPmozrat: once something has been broadcast, there's no limit on the private use of said material
16:45.51SlayerXPon the basis that the signal would have permeated through the person's property
16:46.25SlayerXPin norway, you own anything people place on your property unless there is an explicit agreement that you need to pay for it
16:47.32SlayerXPpeople _do not_ park cars on private property without explicit permission here :)
16:47.41mozrathttp://www.zeropaid.com/news/5442/First+conviction+for+file-sharing+in+Norway
16:47.41SlayerXPa free car? why tahnkyo very much!
16:48.05SlayerXPyes, he _served_ content
16:48.23SlayerXPdistributing copyright material, in breach of copyright restrictions, is illegal
16:48.28mozratso it's legal to download it but not serve it
16:48.31SlayerXPyup
16:48.48mozratand if you download material that hasn't been broadcast in Norway?
16:49.35SlayerXPreasonable prrof would have to be presented to the .no authorities before any kind of legal proceedings could take place
16:49.38SlayerXPproof
16:49.52SlayerXPthere are no consumer static IP connections in .no
16:49.56mozratso documentaries about fish and skiing aplenty
16:50.05mozrathollywood films - not so much
16:50.33SlayerXPISPs do not log
16:57.03mozratHow I found my desk Tux this morning - http://www.beerandspeech.org/uploads/Images//Date/200512/_DSC5675.serendipityThumb.JPG
16:57.15mozratbastards
16:59.29ErwinCan anyone recommend a good Opteron-based desktop system? I need a desktop that matches our server, and not something build of parts but from a reputable vendor. The Sun Ultra 20?
17:00.02mikejw_mozrat: lol
17:01.23SlayerXPErwin: i bought an opty desktop system from flexiserv, it's been faultless.
17:05.15ErwinSlayerXP: Does it have some specific name? I can only find rackmounted products
17:07.05SlayerXPErwin: you have to call them up and ask, they don't advertise thei desktop stuff
17:10.21mozratNSFW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ENTIRE-PORN-COMPANY-FOR-SALE_W0QQitemZ7567775239QQcategoryZ11764QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem << An entire Pr0n company for sale!"
17:27.07mozrathometime!
17:47.59z00daxlooks like http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/ lost its index
17:52.54SlayerXPErwin: just alll them and ask.
17:52.57SlayerXPcall
18:40.04George...the school chaplain overheard me say "she will do unto me what god did unto the sodomites"
18:40.10Georgehe turned around and looked at me, aghast
18:48.09mozratExtra religious studies for you then
18:48.27George:)
18:48.37GeorgeI don't do RS
18:49.00mozratGood
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19:22.03Georgehttp://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1650296,00.html
19:22.07Georgethey have GOT to be taking the piss
19:24.56mikejw_:)
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19:31.11ErwinHe should team up with the Canadian minister that wants formally to contact the aliens
21:21.11Copemeeo
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22:23.46Copewethrin: explain de morgan's theorem to George
22:32.04Copeconvenient
22:48.29Copetest
22:49.29mikejw_:)
23:12.21Georgeharhar
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23:20.40ErwinWhat's the cheapest UK crackberry subscription? I assume you need to forward your email to some address to get the instant display
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23:56.31wethrinCope: What what?
23:56.55wethrinDe Morgan? As in notting everything, and swapping ANDs and ORs?
23:57.12Georgeand eating sausages
23:57.13Georgeof coures
23:59.47wethrinSOSSIDGES

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