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| 00:13.55 | JAV | hello |
| 00:31.43 | z00dax | hi JAV |
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| 03:02.27 | Leeds | bloody geeks and their messed-up sleep patterns |
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| 03:32.46 | Leeds | speak of the devil |
| 03:33.26 | AngelChild | xD |
| 03:33.30 | AngelChild | hello :D |
| 03:33.37 | Leeds | morning |
| 03:33.39 | AngelChild | what've I done now? :-) |
| 03:44.14 | Leeds | nothing - the last thing I say was a comment on the strange sleeping patterns of geeks |
| 03:47.47 | AngelChild | ^.^ |
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| 08:39.19 | mozrat | morning |
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| 08:48.59 | mozrat | morning rhowe |
| 08:58.36 | Leeds | argh, bloody IE! |
| 08:58.53 | mozrat | Ireland? |
| 08:59.42 | Leeds | internet fucking explorer |
| 09:00.49 | Leeds | I'm trying to do something which should be really easy, in HTML/CSS... got a table cell, want to draw two images and some text - one image on each side, centered vertically, and the text in the middle, centered both vertically and horizontally |
| 09:01.43 | Leeds | got it working reasonably well in firefox, but it looks like utter crap in IE - and I'm following the standards |
| 09:02.14 | mozrat | that could be where you are going wrong |
| 09:02.28 | mozrat | are you following the standards or the standards according to IE? |
| 09:02.53 | Leeds | the standards. the documentation. |
| 09:16.18 | Leeds | http://pastebin.bafserv.com/2187 - should work, doesn't |
| 09:37.30 | Leeds | IE is just broken software |
| 09:52.13 | Leeds | IE didn't seem to like that I was defining the width of the table cell by a width= attribute, while setting the size and position of the things inside it by css properties |
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| 10:13.06 | wethrin | morning |
| 10:13.11 | Leeds | evening |
| 10:22.45 | Leeds | hometime... have a good day, all |
| 10:49.00 | mozrat | "But I don't like spam!" |
| 10:49.53 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:06.52 | mikejw | lo |
| 11:14.49 | wethrin | hi |
| 12:13.32 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 12:13.44 | mozrat | Cope! |
| 12:13.44 | Cope | wethrin: when are you not in durham? |
| 12:13.50 | Cope | hello mozrat |
| 12:14.47 | wethrin | Cope: I'm returning to London late on the 15th, heading off to German on the 16th, and returning on the 20th, when I shall be wanting some London beer |
| 12:14.57 | wethrin | And then I'm returning to Durham on January 8th |
| 12:24.22 | mozrat | Cope- I still have this O2 for you here when you are in the area |
| 12:31.09 | Cope | wethrin: I mayh ave to go to newcastle next week |
| 12:31.26 | Cope | mozrat: how heavy is it? |
| 12:33.42 | mozrat | heavier than a breadbox |
| 12:34.02 | mozrat | it is only a small machine - I think the last guy was expecting something bigger |
| 12:34.24 | mozrat | you can comfortably carry it under your arm on the tube |
| 12:35.48 | wethrin | Cope: woo? |
| 12:35.49 | wethrin | When? |
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| 13:12.06 | mozrat | woo Leeds |
| 13:12.54 | Leeds | wahay mozrat |
| 13:15.38 | Erwin | Huh. Charlotte Rampling was actually married for 10 years to Jean Michel Jarre. |
| 14:57.28 | George | HELLLLOOOOOOO |
| 14:57.30 | George | :) |
| 14:57.50 | SlayerXP | don't worry, I can sort that out |
| 14:57.55 | SlayerXP | you teenage moron |
| 14:58.03 | George | hahaha |
| 14:58.07 | George | thanks! :) |
| 14:58.18 | SlayerXP | your laughter reminds me of a pig being butchered |
| 14:58.28 | George | mmm |
| 14:58.31 | George | pork |
| 14:58.32 | George | yummy |
| 15:13.54 | wethrin | Why're you so happy? |
| 15:14.00 | wethrin | got laid? |
| 15:15.06 | George | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 15:15.07 | George | no. |
| 15:15.24 | wethrin | oh |
| 15:16.37 | George | harharharhar |
| 15:16.40 | George | what a stupid suggestion |
| 15:18.02 | wethrin | heh |
| 15:24.41 | Erwin | Are UK public schools stil gender-segregated, BTW? |
| 15:25.01 | mozrat | hello SlayerXP George |
| 15:25.07 | SlayerXP | lo |
| 15:25.11 | mozrat | SlayerXP: You remember my sudo problem the other day? |
| 15:25.22 | SlayerXP | i do |
| 15:25.39 | mozrat | SUSE have sudo setup so when you sudo a command it is expecting the root password, not your own |
| 15:25.45 | mozrat | THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME |
| 15:26.32 | SlayerXP | I've wanred you about the evils of not using debian before |
| 15:26.36 | SlayerXP | warned |
| 15:30.19 | z00dax | mozrat, the only sensible thing to in such case, visudo and setup nopasswd all for yourself |
| 15:30.45 | z00dax | and dont tell anyone :) |
| 15:31.36 | wethrin | Erwin: Often |
| 15:32.29 | SlayerXP | http://photos.hinterlands.org/p17421885.html |
| 15:36.14 | mozrat | z00dax: yeah |
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| 17:06.11 | wethrin | band camp? :) |
| 17:06.14 | wethrin | skugg! |
| 17:10.25 | skugg | wethrin: |
| 17:10.33 | skugg | going to london.pm tonight? |
| 17:10.55 | wethrin | skugg: No - I'm at the wrong end of the country |
| 17:11.10 | wethrin | I'll miss the interpretive dance, though |
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| 19:12.51 | JAV | good evening! |
| 19:13.57 | z00dax | JAV, hi |
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| 19:31.21 | togster | hi glugites |
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| 19:46.05 | z00dax | hi AngelChild, togster & cozmoz365 |
| 19:46.12 | AngelChild | 'ello :-) |
| 19:52.37 | z00dax | I hate writing agenda's for meetings |
| 19:53.10 | z00dax | if i ever need to - it usualy goes like this "1. talk about stuff. 2. see you there." |
| 19:55.04 | boudiccas | z00dax; hiyas :) do you use tripwire? |
| 19:55.22 | z00dax | boudiccas, i used to - now SELinux does all i need |
| 19:56.14 | boudiccas | can you remember the syntax please to update the thingie after you've done a check and you know what all the changes are? |
| 19:56.29 | cozmoz365 | hello z00dax, boudiccas |
| 19:56.41 | boudiccas | cozmoz365; hiyas :) |
| 19:56.48 | z00dax | firstly, check if prelinking is turned off |
| 19:56.57 | boudiccas | um, how? |
| 19:57.30 | boudiccas | sorry, i've progressed from being a noobie to being a neophyte :) |
| 19:58.16 | z00dax | boudiccas, with tripwire most doc's talk about running /etc/tripwire/twinstall.sh |
| 19:58.17 | z00dax | but |
| 19:58.30 | z00dax | you prolly want : /usr/sbin/tripwire-setup-keyfiles |
| 19:59.04 | boudiccas | z00dax; yes, except there is no twinstall. but i did run tripwire-setup-keyfiles as root |
| 19:59.34 | z00dax | yup, thats what I meant - there is no twinstall.sh - its now tripwire-setup-keyfiles |
| 19:59.47 | z00dax | w.r.t prelinking : /etc/sysconfig/prelink |
| 20:00.15 | boudiccas | i've run the intital check to build the databse, and i then ran a test check to see what it output and where, but now i want to update the database |
| 20:00.37 | z00dax | ah, humm.. |
| 20:00.51 | boudiccas | and that command is the one that i can't work out |
| 20:00.54 | z00dax | are you using the pkg from centos.karan.org ? |
| 20:01.48 | boudiccas | z00dax; just checked, and yes |
| 20:05.01 | z00dax | boudiccas, just a tripwire -u |
| 20:05.06 | z00dax | that should do what you need. |
| 20:05.12 | boudiccas | zoo; k, ty |
| 20:05.27 | z00dax | 'man tripwire' has the details |
| 20:05.48 | z00dax | some of the things are done via twadmin, but most regular ops seem to be tripwire itself |
| 20:09.07 | boudiccas | z00dax; hm ........ ./tripwire -m u --update |
| 20:09.07 | boudiccas | ### Error: File could not be opened. |
| 20:09.07 | boudiccas | ### Filename: /var/lib/tripwire/report/gads.hill-20051208-200829.twr |
| 20:09.43 | boudiccas | i keep getting that sort of report, and its so frustrating |
| 20:10.15 | z00dax | do you need to run this as root? |
| 20:10.28 | boudiccas | am doing so |
| 20:10.58 | boudiccas | prior to this i'm ... su - ... and then ... cd/usr/sbin/ |
| 20:37.18 | z00dax | boudiccas, perhaps you need to pass in a report filename -> with a -r <report> ? |
| 20:37.50 | boudiccas | z00dax; i think that i might have sorted it, still waiting for it to complete atm |
| 20:38.14 | z00dax | ok, I've run it a few times here - changed a few things and passed in a report name - it seems to be doing its thing fine |
| 20:39.19 | boudiccas | i ... tripwire --update -r /var/lib/tripwire/report/gads.hill-20051208-202100.twr ... and it seems to be working |
| 20:40.16 | boudiccas | says its doing an ;integrity check report' |
| 20:41.36 | z00dax | boudiccas, right - thats what I meant about passing in a reponame |
| 20:41.39 | z00dax | reportname |
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| 21:35.33 | Erwin | Lloyd's TSB online banking is pretty primitve compared to what I'm used to in Denmark :( |
| 22:05.18 | George | test |
| 22:57.14 | wethrin | you've failed |
| 22:57.50 | George | thanks. |
| 22:57.54 | George | beehatch |
| 23:02.12 | Erwin | Hmm. What's the difference between the Opterons and Athlons 64s? |
| 23:02.31 | wethrin | The price |
| 23:03.15 | Erwin | The Athlon 64s also seem to come in dual-core variants |
| 23:03.34 | wethrin | yes |
| 23:04.10 | Erwin | So, do they run both 64-bit code exactly using the same ABI? |
| 23:04.40 | wethrin | I think so. I don't bother with PeeCee technology :) |
| 23:11.32 | z00dax | Erwin, major differences in internal architecture as well |
| 23:12.41 | Erwin | Well, the questoin is mostly, can I settle for some Athlon 64 system to test out 64-bit software and be sure that this will work OK on our real Opteron systems |
| 23:13.23 | z00dax | Erwin, yes |
| 23:14.09 | z00dax | are you using 32bit userspace or 64bit ? |
| 23:14.52 | z00dax | err. what i meant is that are you _also_ using some 32bit userspace ? or are you 64bit clean |
| 23:16.04 | Erwin | z00dax: We don't really require 64-bit addressing but I presume using the 64-bit mode will give a general speedup due to more registers |
| 23:16.21 | Erwin | I have some closed-source stuff but that seems to have an x86-64 version available too |
| 23:17.28 | z00dax | right - reason I asked - if you are 64bit clean - you are going to be ok on AMD64/ Opteron/ EM64T |
| 23:17.45 | z00dax | in some cases when you have requirements on dual userspace 32 and 64 - EM64T gets.. umm.. funky |
| 23:18.33 | z00dax | ( i guess that does not count in your case, since you mentioned AMD only ) |
| 23:18.50 | Erwin | Well. I have a fuzzy idea that Opteron is going to be faster for us. But right now we're on a pretty old Xeon 3.06 GHz |
| 23:19.08 | z00dax | What sort of an opteron do you have in mind ? |
| 23:20.56 | Erwin | Either a dual 252 or 254 system or a dual-dual-core system. Our app doesn't really scale to multiple CPUs well, so I'm not sure it's worth having 4 slower CPUs on dual-cores vs 2 faster on single-core -- and I was told by our ISP guy that the dual-cores are slot compatible with the single-cores, so you can upgrade if you want |
| 23:21.32 | Erwin | The biggest problem for our setup is probably disk speed, the RAID-5 system we have is slow, so we want to go to some RAID 10 (or was it 01? the safe variant anyway) system, on as fast disks as possible.. and one that we actually *own* rather than lease. |
| 23:22.18 | z00dax | I might have a 252 with me over the weekend - gota script that does a sorta benchmark for you ? I can run it and give you some numbers |
| 23:22.49 | z00dax | that'd be a 2 way dualcore - so 4 in all |
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| 23:23.03 | Erwin | Is it going to have some Linux installed on it? |
| 23:23.36 | z00dax | :) yessir |
| 23:23.48 | Erwin | I thought 252 were single core, and the 265+ models were the dual core ones? |
| 23:24.03 | z00dax | lemme check |
| 23:24.35 | Erwin | z00dax: OK, then assuming you have linux and python.. run /usr/lib/python2.4/test/pystone.py 200000 |
| 23:24.47 | z00dax | CentOS4 - py2.3 |
| 23:25.25 | Erwin | OK, 2.3 is probably OK too, I have either version to compare with. I've been told by some people that some older Opteron model was XX% faster than some older Xeon model, but it would be nice to know for sure |
| 23:26.33 | z00dax | 852 - 4 way |
| 23:27.02 | z00dax | so not dual core |
| 23:27.02 | Erwin | I wonder if you can have an 8-way 880 dual core system for a total of 16 cores |
| 23:27.14 | z00dax | should be possible. |
| 23:27.22 | z00dax | opterons do 8-way total right ? |
| 23:27.45 | Erwin | Dunno. Anyway, that number would be helpful, thanks. I'm not sure what the differences in cache sizes there are if any between the different opteron models |
| 23:27.46 | z00dax | i guess thats what the 8 stands for :) |
| 23:28.25 | z00dax | Erwin, I'll get the details off the box including MoBo make/model and Ram type / hdd type etc. |
| 23:29.23 | Erwin | Great, thanks. |
| 23:32.16 | resuDaed | am trying to compile a driver from source, and it keeps complaining that it cannot find my current kernel source |
| 23:32.43 | resuDaed | my kernel source is untarred in /usr/src and there is a symlink to from /usr/src/linux |
| 23:32.51 | resuDaed | what have I missed? |
| 23:34.39 | z00dax | the build symlink maybe ? |
| 23:35.54 | z00dax | ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build ? |
| 23:36.56 | resuDaed | no change |
| 23:37.04 | resuDaed | and there is nothing in the readme |
| 23:37.35 | mozrat | good evening friends |
| 23:37.42 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
| 23:37.43 | resuDaed | evening mozrat |
| 23:39.22 | resuDaed | and slightly OT: I am sure someone keeps resetting this box (hard reset), would there be anything timestamped in a log that would tell me when it is booted? (OpenBSD 2.6 iirc) |
| 23:39.38 | resuDaed | s/2.6/3.6 |
| 23:40.02 | z00dax | you have a /usr/src/linux on a OpenBSD Box ? |
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| 23:41.50 | resuDaed | z00dax : I am on a linux box 160 miles away, but I am on an aoHell connection here, and am therefore banned from #debian, so I log in to the openbsd box |
| 23:42.21 | resuDaed | (the only way I know it keeps getting reset is uptime is erratic, and the firewall keeps dropping its port forwarding to this host |
| 23:42.46 | z00dax | right |
| 23:42.50 | resuDaed | hmmm, /usr/src/linux on an obsd box is an interesting concpet though |
| 23:43.54 | mozrat | hello z00dax resuDaed ---- good morning Leeds |
| 23:43.58 | resuDaed | it does have /export/linux with kerenl sources in it though |
| 23:44.28 | resuDaed | anyway, would there be anything in a log that you can think of |
| 23:44.57 | Leeds | morning mozrat, all |
| 23:46.15 | resuDaed | having said that, both the firewall and the obsd box have only got uptime of 8 days |
| 23:46.22 | resuDaed | this is very wierd |
| 23:47.06 | resuDaed | fw is an ss10, and the obssd box is a p2 -- fortunatly both come back on after a power failure |
| 23:50.11 | mozrat | What shall I do with my last 11 minutes as a twenty-something man? |
| 23:51.14 | resuDaed | tough one, though in 11 minutes, you could have a mid-life crisis |
| 23:51.23 | mozrat | I think so :( |
| 23:51.24 | resuDaed | :P |
| 23:52.46 | George | SAUSAGE!!!! |
| 23:53.44 | mozrat | George! |
| 23:54.07 | George | hey there dyslexic composer |
| 23:54.13 | mozrat | hey hey |