01:32.29 | gregj | which one is |
01:33.04 | gregj | good in eng: "blah contains 21 lines" or "blah is contained of 21 lines" ? |
01:34.58 | stephen | the first one |
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05:43.21 | Leeds | morning AngelChild |
05:43.29 | AngelChild | morning Leeds :) |
05:43.49 | Leeds | I'm about to go out for some Saturday shopping... |
05:44.10 | Leeds | heh... I just put "tidy flat" on my to-do list for before I leave on Thursday |
05:44.58 | Leeds | and this morning, I've got python->xmlrpc->xmlrpc->java->jython->java->jdbc->odbc->access working :-) |
05:45.44 | Leeds | well, almost... there are two different working things, but since once ends in jython and the other starts there, tying them together shouldn't be hard |
05:46.59 | Leeds | seeya later |
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08:26.30 | Leeds-Treo | ibot change 2480 hkd to gbp |
08:27.12 | Leeds-Treo | mozrat: ping? |
08:31.05 | Leeds-Treo | mozrat: that's the sort of price a new unlocked 6230 is going for, in places which don't laugh at me for wanting such an old phone... |
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09:06.10 | highbury | morning |
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09:20.02 | Leeds-Treo | mozrat: re-ping? |
09:21.08 | Leeds-Treo | and, well, good morning to any/everyone else who might be around |
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12:18.00 | morsing | Erwin! |
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13:44.45 | morsing | kbsingh! |
13:45.23 | George | moo |
13:56.55 | z00dax | morsing! |
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14:08.11 | hurryon | ... |
14:09.14 | hurryon | Who wants to buy Unix Network Programming, Vol. 1 ? |
14:09.24 | murb | not me. |
14:09.31 | hurryon | ^^ |
14:09.42 | murb | nor anyone else here. |
14:10.04 | hurryon | I am going to leave this country, so I want to reduce my books. |
14:10.18 | murb | where are you going? |
14:10.28 | hurryon | to my country. |
14:10.37 | hurryon | Korea. |
14:10.37 | murb | your own private one? |
14:12.21 | hurryon | Um... |
14:15.18 | hurryon | I arrived in London in April to study English, but now I feel I didn't earn as well as I had expected. |
14:15.58 | hurryon | Especially, Speaking is difficult for me. |
14:16.04 | hurryon | Hhhhuu.... |
14:20.50 | murb | so you will leave already? |
14:20.52 | highbury | how quickly do you need to sell your books hurryon |
14:21.38 | highbury | either put a book list on the gllug mailing list, or I've heard some people have been quite successful selling their old books on amazon.co.uk |
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14:55.31 | morsing | Tron_! |
15:04.09 | hurryon | No, I am still in London. |
15:04.23 | hurryon | Next week I am going to travel and then go back to Korea. |
15:04.32 | hurryon | So, I want to sell books. |
15:05.49 | hurryon | Although I bought the book this year earlier, I didn't see. I was busy to study English, so I couldn't study about programming. |
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15:37.31 | hurryon | ... |
15:37.32 | hurryon | .. |
15:37.33 | hurryon | . |
15:40.59 | Leeds | ? |
15:41.34 | Leeds | that's not humous! |
15:43.51 | hurryon | ... |
15:47.16 | Leeds | it's made from white beans, not chick peas |
16:04.10 | morsing | Leeds ... Kjhun |
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16:14.47 | Leeds | morsing: what? |
16:32.33 | morsing | Leeds: kasefdjk disdf dkj eiefsdv |
16:36.43 | morsing | http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/uploads/kbannon/Bush-quote.jpg |
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16:51.47 | morsing | AngelChild! |
16:51.52 | AngelChild | morsing! |
17:12.28 | Leeds | http://curbside.jmsc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=1 |
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17:37.34 | George | MOO |
18:52.49 | morsing | Cope: What are you puzzling? |
18:54.00 | Cope | ah, why for some reason I was getting an ssl certificate error when browsing a site |
18:54.38 | murb | who cares about ssl certificate errors? |
18:54.43 | Cope | it appears, and I didn't know this, that the mod_ssl config in /etc/https/conf.d/ssl.conf over-rides the secure virtual hosts I had specified in the apache config. |
18:54.52 | murb | or do you have such a great trust for verislime etc. |
18:55.42 | Cope | murb: well, it looks a bit shit if you're an online finance company and someone browses to https://bank-of-cope.com to get an error saying: "duh, this ssl cert is for localhost.localdomain" |
18:56.11 | murb | users get such errors so oftern that they just ignore them. |
18:56.13 | Cope | because the config was pointing to the tinpot random ssl cert that was installed with the package |
18:56.41 | George | Cope: bank-of-cope? |
18:56.47 | Cope | George: silly.example.com |
18:56.48 | George | Cope: dude. will you GIVE me £100,000? |
18:57.09 | Cope | aha! dins! |
18:57.13 | morsing | Can someone verify that rhowe has a new phone number ending in 4016? It's been texting me... |
18:57.17 | George | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
18:57.17 | George | ;silly.example.com. IN A |
19:46.53 | Cope | (many happy) |
19:52.55 | murb | Cope: i quite liked the default snailoil ca |
20:15.09 | George | Cope: so did you go today? |
20:26.07 | highbury | hi folks |
20:30.30 | George | Cope: slacker. |
20:32.21 | George | liar |
20:32.42 | George | a really old friend left a comment on my blog today |
20:32.46 | George | I didn't know he read my blog |
20:34.20 | Cope | how old is he? 90? |
20:34.38 | George | ha. ha. ha |
20:34.48 | George | actually he's a third year PPE student at Oxford |
20:35.23 | George | er, 2nd year |
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20:52.48 | Cope | z00dax: hrm, is there a system-config-netboot-tui or -cmd? |
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20:58.39 | boudiccas | i run an eggdop bot called 'iceni', so where would i find the iceni.pid please? |
20:59.18 | Cope | /var/run ? |
21:00.18 | boudiccas | Cope; nope, not there :( |
21:00.37 | Cope | ps? lsof? |
21:00.53 | murb | Cope: it wouldn't normally be open would it? |
21:01.06 | boudiccas | the system just crashed |
21:01.07 | murb | find |
21:01.15 | Cope | I don't know how it works. |
21:06.04 | z00dax | Cope, nope - the s-c-netboot is a gui only tool |
21:06.18 | z00dax | ummm eggdrop's remind me of effnet in the mid 90's |
21:06.52 | boudiccas | am just doing 'updatedb' and will then try doing locate |
21:06.54 | Cope | z00dax: arse! |
21:13.17 | Cope | RH++ |
21:18.02 | George | RH-- |
21:18.19 | Cope | Okay... on what basis? |
21:18.24 | George | they use GNOME. |
21:18.37 | George | they cripple kde |
21:18.54 | Cope | lol - ok; that's not a particularly impressive answer, but it is at least an answer. |
21:19.02 | George | I HATE YOU |
21:19.18 | boudiccas | George; kde 3.5.1 works well on my centos 4.2 machine :) |
21:19.29 | boudiccas | from kde-redhat |
21:19.31 | George | 3.5.1 was released? |
21:19.51 | Cope | i don't think 'using gnome' is a particularly good piece of evidence for a distro being worthy of -- |
21:19.56 | boudiccas | its in kde-redhat stable repo |
21:21.12 | George | Cope sucks |
21:21.19 | Cope | :( |
21:21.28 | Cope | ibot no Cope sucks. |
21:22.04 | Cope | oh well |
21:22.08 | George | harhar |
21:38.23 | z00dax | an economy class, return ticket from london to sydney, over the easter holidays is going to cost me £1789 |
21:38.40 | z00dax | s/economy class/cattle class/ |
21:39.31 | z00dax | maybe I should consider moving into the Travel industry, the money there seems much better than the IT sector |
21:44.48 | Cope | maybe you should just stay in london |
21:45.13 | z00dax | for that kinda travel costs ? yeah, I'd go visit West Croyden instead :) |
21:45.20 | highbury | Homechoice (my isp) are really moving with the times, they're going to enforce a 15MB (sic) limit on email accounts! |
21:45.57 | Cope | z00dax: I 'forgot' to install X on ( that <--- ) centos box; what's the best way to get it installed? Can I just do yum install $something_requiring_x ? or is there a container package? or what... |
21:46.24 | z00dax | Cope, yum grouplist; yum groupinstall "<somegroup>" |
21:48.27 | z00dax | yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" |
21:48.35 | z00dax | that should bring in everthing you need to get functional |
21:49.13 | Cope | nifty |
21:49.40 | z00dax | could you install vnc-server and use that from a machine closeby ? might save on pkgs required to download + install |
21:50.09 | Cope | nah not easily |
21:50.22 | Cope | that machine really needs to be a workstation |
21:50.28 | Cope | (for now) |
21:53.07 | z00dax | btw, got my AMD64x2 4800+ Laptop yesterday |
21:53.32 | z00dax | and yes, it weighs a ton |
21:53.46 | quinophex | did it come with its own power station? |
21:54.25 | z00dax | quinophex, its got a 19v 1.5Amp charger... |
21:58.20 | quinophex | how much was it? |
21:58.22 | quinophex | sounds nice |
21:58.32 | quinophex | in a heavy power consuming kind of way |
21:59.02 | z00dax | couple of thngs about it are irritating, the \ is next to the / on the keyboard - down the right side |
21:59.21 | z00dax | which has kind of driven me up the wall |
22:01.50 | z00dax | everything included, its cost me a bit under £2k |
22:03.21 | George | z00dax: I'm demanding photos |
22:03.37 | George | z00dax: 19V, 1.5A? That's only about 45W |
22:03.44 | z00dax | cool, i'll take some on monday |
22:03.47 | George | or rather, 50W |
22:04.14 | George | z00dax: what make/model? |
22:04.22 | George | and I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CHOSE THAT OVER A THINKPAD |
22:04.31 | Cope | TMI! |
22:04.40 | z00dax | lemme check |
22:04.41 | George | Cope: with a gun you sick bastard. |
22:05.32 | George | I need. a. SAUSAGE |
22:05.39 | z00dax | i got the input power and the output voltage. its a 19v 4.74amp output and a 100- 240v 1.9a input |
22:05.52 | George | ok |
22:05.58 | George | that's more like it |
22:06.05 | George | 90W power supply |
22:06.30 | George | mine's about 70W |
22:06.32 | George | (thinkpad) |
22:06.41 | z00dax | George, thinkpad made no sense |
22:06.52 | z00dax | it was equally expensive, with about half the capability |
22:07.12 | George | it's reliable damnit |
22:07.23 | z00dax | I have insurance on this thing... |
22:07.44 | quinophex | new thinkpads are done by lenovo (or whatever they are called) |
22:07.53 | quinophex | so i'd want to wait a bit to see if they are as good as IBM thinkpads |
22:08.02 | George | quinophex: the design is still IBM |
22:08.10 | George | quinophex: and they were always made by Lenovo anyway |
22:08.18 | z00dax | quinophex, to be fair, i've heard good things about the TP z60's - specially the ones with a brighter display - are those the titanium ones | |
22:08.19 | George | only the new Z60 series is Lenovo |
22:08.32 | z00dax | the /\ strikes again... that should have been a ? |
22:08.53 | quinophex | George: i was under the impression that the design facility was sold to lenovo also |
22:09.08 | quinophex | z00dax: yeah, but it takes a year or two to find out how good laptops are tbh |
22:09.17 | George | quinophex: the thinkpads currently in production were originally designed by IBM. |
22:09.34 | quinophex | yeah, and if lenovo decide to go cheap on components they will not be as good |
22:09.47 | George | my T43p is EXACTLY the same design as my father's T42p |
22:10.20 | quinophex | well, yes obviously |
22:10.22 | z00dax | yeah, but i got to assemble my laptop :) |
22:10.27 | quinophex | heh |
22:10.29 | George | ASSEMBLE? |
22:10.39 | quinophex | z00dax: see, not supporting cheap child labour, good on you ;) |
22:10.52 | z00dax | yea, i only got the shell from taiwan, the hdd's and ram are bought locally - hdd's off seagate and ram off crucial |
22:10.55 | quinophex | George: looks like the Capslock key has gone faulty on your thinkpad |
22:11.04 | z00dax | not that qualifies as assemble... but still... |
22:11.06 | quinophex | ;) |
22:11.14 | George | quinophex: you suck. |
22:11.33 | George | z00dax: you. are. a. very. strange. person. |
22:11.37 | quinophex | i do? |
22:11.57 | quinophex | Cope: good point |
22:12.17 | George | wtf? |
22:12.27 | Cope | George: you're that far in the closet :-P |
22:12.34 | quinophex | btw George i purchased a Dell laptop when i needed a machine... |
22:12.48 | George | Cope: it's a WARDROBE YOU FUCKTARD |
22:12.58 | z00dax | the dell 9300's with the 17 display are nice |
22:13.08 | Cope | see, know he's being obessive about me being fucked, hard. |
22:13.17 | George | z00dax: they are not nice. they are horrible. |
22:13.46 | boudiccas | George; why do you swear so much? |
22:14.05 | boudiccas | its not gentlemanly |
22:14.24 | z00dax | my last laptop was a thinkpad, a G40, it disintegrated on me |
22:14.32 | boudiccas | you give the impression of being rude and uncouth |
22:15.13 | George | I am rude and uncouth |
22:15.27 | quinophex | i got the impression that George was sobbing in the corner hugging his thinkpad while whispering things like "i love you more than those other abominations, i really do" |
22:15.32 | boudiccas | a laddish lout by your own admission |
22:15.46 | George | quinophex: nah, I like my desktop more |
22:20.25 | z00dax | anyone got around to trying the bcm4318 drivers recently announced ? |
22:20.53 | George | nope. |
22:21.01 | George | my powerbook is no longer in use. |
22:21.56 | z00dax | I have one of those chips in here, so its either ndiswrapper or that bcm driver, but that driver seems to want >=2.6.15 kernel :( |
22:22.17 | Cope | z00dax: arsing poo; any way to run the X auto-config thing? X -configure hasn't done the trick |
22:22.59 | z00dax | system-config-display --noui --reconfig |
22:23.10 | z00dax | or just --reconfig |
22:24.18 | Cope | yeah baby |
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22:32.23 | Cope | hrm |
22:32.52 | Cope | why isn't ethereal seeing any traffic at all? the machine is on the network, and the interface set to promiscuous mode |
22:39.42 | George | because it's a sausage |
22:39.47 | George | and sausages don't understand TCP/IP |
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23:22.50 | highbury | George: how long a warranty did you take out on your thinkpad? |
23:26.30 | George | it's got a 3 year one |
23:26.35 | George | I think |
23:34.50 | highbury | I've just sent mine back under warrantee, so three years is good. I'm just hoping to get mine back before christmas. I broke one of the touchpad buttons, so the right mouse button was effectively down all the time. |
23:35.34 | highbury | I had to take mine a TNT delivery collection point, not as convenient as have them collect it :-( |
23:35.51 | highbury | but apparently they'll deliver it back to me personally |