irclog2html for #gllug on 20051220

`01:30.20`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`01:44.22`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: before you sleep...`
`03:31.30`	`gregj`	`is "crown of thorns" is some kind of idiom ?`
`03:31.37`	`gregj`	`I know "sitting on thorns" is`
`03:35.54`	`Leeds`	`I would understand it as a reference to Jesus wearing a crown of thorns - i.e. an ironic thing which looks a bit like a crown, but is actually a form of torture - on the cross`
`03:37.08`	`gregj`	`I see, thanks, yes, this is a good interpretation`
`05:11.21`	`Leeds`	`LadyRei?`
`05:12.03`	`AngelChild`	`yes`
`05:12.04`	`AngelChild`	`?`
`05:13.34`	`Leeds`	`just wondering about the name change :-)`
`05:13.41`	`AngelChild`	`name i used to use ^.^`
`05:13.46`	`AngelChild`	`wondered if it was still registered`
`05:13.54`	`AngelChild`	`someone mentioned the anime it's from in another channel`
`05:18.18`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`05:19.14`	`AngelChild`	`morning, incidentally`
`05:19.29`	`AngelChild`	`tonight I got the lexer for my compiler engineering coursework working`
`05:19.30`	`AngelChild`	`which was nice`
`05:21.37`	`Leeds`	`good`
`05:21.59`	`Leeds`	`yesterday, I got my access->odbc->jdbc->jython->xmlrpc->python bridge working`
`05:22.10`	`AngelChild`	`hurrah \o/`
`05:23.28`	`Leeds`	`and I'm starting to get into winding-down mode :-)`
`05:24.09`	`Leeds`	`2.5 days to go before the holidays...`
`06:21.05`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Holiday`
`07:05.17`	`mozrat`	`Good Morning`
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`07:12.59`	`JAV`	`good morning`
`07:13.03`	`mozrat`	`hey JAV`
`07:13.07`	`mozrat`	`how are you?`
`07:13.45`	`JAV`	`well, thanks. And you?`
`07:13.51`	`mozrat`	`Yes - not bad`
`07:14.06`	`Leeds`	`JAV: doing anything exciting for the holidays?`
`07:15.07`	`JAV`	`work? :D`
`07:17.50`	`JAV`	`nothing special expected until February (fosdem) and then a month in Japan in April`
`07:18.44`	`JAV`	`and now leaving to work will be the wisest idea`
`07:18.51`	`JAV`	`see you`
`07:18.54`	`Leeds`	`seeya`
`07:18.56`	`mozrat`	`see you`
`07:18.59`	`mozrat`	`Morning Leeds`
`07:19.01`	`Leeds`	`ooh, Japan?`
`07:19.07`	`mozrat`	`how are you sir?`
`07:19.35`	`Leeds`	`not bad... bosses back in town for a couple of days...`
`07:19.48`	`mozrat`	`is that a good thing?`
`07:21.06`	`Leeds`	`some yes, some no`
`07:28.55`	`Leeds`	`how is your week shaping up? are you taking time off over the hols?`
`07:29.17`	`mozrat`	`Week is good. I'm being "teacher" for 2 days on some internal training which is fun`
`07:29.27`	`mozrat`	`Just basic Linux skills on SUSE`
`07:29.55`	`mozrat`	`I'm on call for 2 x 24 hour periods over the holiday but I'm at home from the 23rd until the 3rd`
`07:29.58`	`mozrat`	`which is good`
`07:31.37`	`Leeds`	`almost the same as my dates :-)`
`07:33.43`	`mozrat`	`The on-call periods have always been historically very quiet anyway`
`07:34.00`	`mozrat`	`it's only our customers in the Middle East that work that period anyway`
`07:34.08`	`Leeds`	`I was going to say - I would imagine it's either running around headless-chicken-like, or dozing`
`07:34.30`	`mozrat`	`no - very quiet normally`
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`07:46.23`	`mozrat`	`Morrrsssssssiiiiing`
`07:46.29`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`07:46.47`	`morsing`	`Leeds?`
`07:50.38`	`Leeds`	`morsing`
`07:54.54`	`morsing`	`Hmm... hostip.info doesn't work well for either of my IP addresses`
`07:55.09`	`morsing`	`It even gave me two different places for the same address`
`07:58.59`	`morsing`	`Why can't Squirrelmail show number of new messages in non-Inbox folders?`
`08:06.51`	`Leeds`	`it could... imap is plenty capable of telling you`
`08:09.48`	`Cope`	`mroning chums`
`08:10.22`	`Cope`	`mmm... 10 hours till beer`
`08:12.13`	`Leeds`	`3 hours or so here ;-)`
`08:19.34`	`Leeds`	`and I just got an invite to a pub quiz`
`08:19.50`	`Leeds`	`potentially, anyway`
`08:23.46`	`Cope`	`aha`
`08:23.51`	`Cope`	`i like pub quizes`
`08:23.54`	`Cope`	`zz`
`08:24.21`	`Leeds`	`me too`
`08:24.38`	`Cope`	`i also like my job :)`
`08:25.02`	`Leeds`	`last one I entered as part of a team called "a gaggle of geeks" which was informally renamed "a google of geeks" part-way through because we were in a wifi zone and had a number of wifi-enabled PDAs with us...`
`08:25.15`	`Leeds`	`693594 is a magic number`
`08:29.35`	`Cope`	`ok`
`08:29.48`	`Cope`	`to do with time?`
`08:32.21`	`morsing`	`SIGH :`
`08:32.22`	`morsing`	`http://www.computerworld.dk/art/31968`
`08:32.30`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`08:32.36`	`Leeds`	`where did you see a reference to it?`
`08:32.45`	`Cope`	`various places :)`
`08:33.05`	`Leeds`	`I reverse-engineered it - not that it was a great feat of engineering`
`08:33.16`	`Cope`	`The TDateTime epoch and backwards incompatibility.`
`08:33.34`	`Cope`	`hello morsing`
`08:33.59`	`morsing`	`Hi Cope`
`08:34.10`	`Cope`	`morsing: hrm, if I could read Danish, that page might be more interesting to me!`
`08:34.29`	`morsing`	`Cope: It probably wouldn't be interesting anyway`
`08:34.31`	`Leeds`	`it's the difference between a date as excel (apparently) encodes it and a value to be fed to python.datetime.date.fromordinal`
`08:34.46`	`Cope`	`i see`
`08:35.39`	`morsing`	`Is says the psychopathic (added by me) managing director of my first company, who has broken (?) two companies by being incompetent, will now be managing director of ComX`
`08:35.43`	`Leeds`	`which gives me a 45-line xls2html.py including guessing that any float in the first column of around the right size is a date`
`08:36.01`	`Leeds`	`morsing: you know what my first company was, right? :-)`
`08:36.27`	`morsing`	`Leeds: SCO?`
`08:36.41`	`Leeds`	`and now I notice that the python xls-reading library in question comes with its own xls2html...`
`08:36.42`	`Leeds`	`morsing: yes`
`08:37.10`	`morsing`	`What?!?`
`08:37.14`	`Cope`	`we now have a SCO server in our farm.`
`08:37.41`	`Leeds`	`did you not know?`
`08:38.05`	`Leeds`	`Cope: it got quite a regular chuckle in the Sun offices :-)`
`08:41.27`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`08:43.39`	`morsing`	`HEyy, I found it. It was in "folder options"`
`09:00.42`	`Leeds`	`http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=13&ItemID=9350 - RMS doing what he does best`
`09:00.55`	`morsing`	`Being rude?`
`09:03.31`	`morsing`	`Leeds: He's right though`
`09:05.08`	`Leeds`	`apparently my failure to get the concept of "I don't accept your license terms so please refund me what you charged me for your software which was bundled" over to Dell Asia was not because of a language problem... one of my colleagues has tried this afternoon in Chinese and also got nowhere`
`09:05.18`	`Leeds`	`right about what?`
`09:12.39`	`morsing`	`Why is Robin not happy today?`
`09:14.01`	`Leeds`	`Christopher? because he's been put out to pasture in favour of a little girl`
`09:17.27`	`morsing`	`What's gorwth?`
`09:17.39`	`morsing`	`Plan/model for gorwth (i.e., CoD fetures).`
`09:29.54`	`Leeds`	`cod? fishy features?`
`09:44.50`	`Cope`	`Leeds: do you know if its possible to change semaphore settings on the fly in solaris?`
`09:48.11`	`Leeds`	`I would think it probably is, but I can't remember how`
`09:48.28`	`Leeds`	`there are hooks to change almost every kernel option - but not all of them are available at runtime`
`09:48.36`	`Leeds`	`kstat or something?`
`09:52.56`	`Cope`	`Leeds: would you know someone who knows?`
`09:54.02`	`Leeds`	`not now, sorry - going home`
`09:54.08`	`Cope`	`lol`
`09:56.31`	`morsing`	`What is it recommended to wear at interviews these days?`
`09:56.42`	`Cope`	`depends on the culture, really`
`09:56.53`	`Cope`	`this is banking isn't it`
`09:57.00`	`Cope`	`or is it something different?`
`09:57.23`	`Cope`	`eg for a job supporting programmers, I'd just wear normal clothes; for a job with a big company, I'd wear a suit.`
`09:58.10`	`morsing`	`Ok. I'm actually not sure if I'm being interviewed by Phoenix or Barclaycard or both?!`
`09:58.19`	`Cope`	`i'd wear a suit`
`09:58.21`	`Cope`	`safest`
`09:58.54`	`Cope`	`is the interview today?`
`09:59.30`	`morsing`	`Thursday morning. Right before I have to keep a steady 81mph average to make the flight home :-(`
`10:01.26`	`morsing`	`Stressful. And I actually wanted to take the train to Stansted. Now a have to arrange and pay for two weeks parking :-(`
`10:02.56`	`murb`	`morsing: you know how long the parking busses take to get you to the airport?`
`10:03.27`	`morsing`	`murb: About 10 minutes`
`10:03.45`	`murb`	`can be up to 20 or 30 if they are having problems.`
`10:03.50`	`murb`	`which is normal at this time of year.`
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`10:06.04`	`morsing`	`Hmm... I don't know if I'll make that flight. Their website says their full up!`
`10:06.33`	`murb`	`morsing: the car park site?`
`10:06.47`	`kbsingh`	`morning`
`10:08.19`	`morsing`	`murb: Yes`
`10:10.08`	`morsing`	`<S> Parking at Bishop's Stortford Football Club`
`10:10.09`	`morsing`	`<S> #100.10`
`10:10.09`	`morsing`	`<S>`
`10:10.09`	`morsing`	`<S> Free transfer to terminal`
`10:10.09`	`morsing`	`<S> 24 hour secure car park`
`10:10.11`	`morsing`	`<S> Instant confirmation`
`10:10.13`	`morsing`	`<S> SSL secure payment server`
`10:11.11`	`murb`	`morsing: how much would a taxi to Stansted cost?`
`10:12.28`	`morsing`	`murb: About �150?`
`10:12.39`	`morsing`	`From Northampton`
`10:53.20`	`morsing`	`sniff`
`10:59.26`	`rhowe`	`Dec 18 15:23:13 stfw dhcpd-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST for 2.153.2.193 from 00:14:c2:d9:f5:2f via eth0`
`10:59.29`	`rhowe`	`Dec 18 15:23:13 stfw dhcpd-2.2.x: DHCPNAK on 2.153.2.193 to 00:14:c2:d9:f5:2f via eth0`
`10:59.33`	`rhowe`	`I should hope so :)`
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`11:13.02`	`George`	`I have just spoken to the Deputy Dean and he has told me that you`
`11:13.02`	`George`	`definitely will be receiving an offer to come and read Natural Sciences.`
`11:13.05`	`George`	`YAY`
`11:15.18`	`morsing`	`Congrats George !`
`11:16.18`	`SlammerXP`	`sounds dull`
`11:16.40`	`George`	`heh`
`11:19.13`	`George`	`well, that's Durham sorted`
`11:20.16`	`Leeds`	`yay`
`11:20.30`	`Leeds`	`although, I decided not to apply for Durham...`
`11:34.07`	`Cope`	`well done :)`
`11:34.40`	`George`	`hey`
`11:38.04`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`11:40.49`	`SlammerXP`	`we're congraulating him on getting into a polytechnic?`
`11:40.59`	`SlammerXP`	`come now, if you can find your way to the front door they let you in :)`
`11:43.49`	`morsing`	`/usr/include/pthread.h:652: error: parse error before '*' token`
`11:45.08`	`morsing`	`What does that mean?`
`11:45.31`	`SlammerXP`	`well, on line 652, the compiler had problems understanding the code located there`
`11:45.40`	`morsing`	`Thanks!`
`11:45.47`	`SlammerXP`	`it suggests the error is located before the '*'`
`11:46.08`	`Leeds`	`normally means something like the header file containing the symbol preceeding the * failed to load`
`11:46.19`	`Leeds`	`time to go pub quiz... bye`
`11:46.29`	`morsing`	`pthread_spin_init __((pthread_spinlock_t *, int));`
`11:47.51`	`morsing`	`??`
`11:48.21`	`morsing`	`This is from a header file though`
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`11:57.24`	`morsing`	`LeedsHK!`
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`12:55.56`	`kbsingh`	`so is anyone heading out for the drink in the evening today ?`
`12:59.14`	`morsing`	`I am`
`12:59.58`	`kbsingh`	`cool, unless something weird happens at work - I'll see you there`
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`13:07.53`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Maybe pthread_spin_init, __ and/or pthread_spinlock_t {are,is}n't defined?`
`13:09.42`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Maybe missing a header file which defines them, or maybe the header file which should define them says something like #ifdef __PLATFORM_IS_AIX__ \n /* hah, like you deserve threading / \n #else \n / Define threading primitives / \n #endif / __PLATFORM_IS_AIX__ */`
`13:09.59`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Also, there may be an error on the line before that one..`
`13:10.30`	`morsing`	`rhowe: sigh SO what do I do :-)`
`13:10.57`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Find a pthread hello world and see if it works`
`13:11.08`	`rhowe`	`morsing: At least test your pthread functionality`
`13:11.27`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Maybe finding something which uses autoconf and running ./configure will be enough to check stuff?`
`13:11.53`	`rhowe`	`morsing: If so, it might just be that the code you're compiling isn't written to handle however AIX does pthreads and just needs a magic tweak somewhere`
`13:12.08`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Or maybe AIX just doesn't do pthreads (I would hope it did!)`
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`13:17.35`	`morsing`	`eye69!`
`13:18.10`	`George`	`do any of you chaps know a "Peter Tobler"?`
`13:19.49`	`morsing`	`I know a Peter if that helps?`
`13:20.11`	`morsing`	`Magnus?`
`13:21.29`	`eye69`	`Henrik?`
`13:21.35`	`morsing`	`How are you?`
`13:21.48`	`eye69`	`Quite alright.`
`13:21.52`	`morsing`	`Job?`
`13:22.12`	`George`	`morsing: idiot.`
`13:22.24`	`eye69`	`Don't know yet. I've applied for one, and my name has been sent from the job agency as a candidate for another/`
`13:22.25`	`morsing`	`George: Fucktwat!`
`13:22.40`	`morsing`	`eye69: Good luck then`
`13:22.46`	`eye69`	`Thanks.`
`13:22.52`	`eye69`	`Just doing a bit of packing for christmas.`
`13:23.13`	`George`	`morsing: moron`
`13:23.32`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Back me up here!`
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`13:58.04`	`mozrat`	`hey George`
`13:58.13`	`mozrat`	`I was just reading to see why I was backing morsing up`
`13:58.18`	`George`	`heh`
`13:58.33`	`mozrat`	`George: you haven't commented on the "Linus says use KDE" thing yet`
`13:58.36`	`mozrat`	`Well done`
`13:59.26`	`George`	`oh yeah`
`13:59.28`	`George`	`forgot about that`
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`14:33.04`	`George`	`wow.`
`14:33.09`	`George`	`IBM still release drivers for OS/2`
`14:50.49`	`morsing`	`George: Of course. The server version is still used`
`14:51.07`	`morsing`	`All credit card transactions in Denmark go directly to OS/2 servers`
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`14:52.09`	`morsing`	`weasl77_!`
`14:52.17`	`weasl77_`	`that was fast!`
`14:52.22`	`morsing`	`:-)`
`14:52.35`	`rhowe`	`morsing: how's your SQL?`
`14:52.45`	`SlammerXP`	`evening`
`14:53.00`	`SlammerXP`	`my sql is not so bad`
`14:53.35`	`morsing`	`rhowe: decent`
`14:53.56`	`rhowe`	`OK, I'm hitting a brick wall with aggregate queries and group by`
`14:54.18`	`rhowe`	`I've got a table here which is of the form (visitId, visitDate, companyId, ...)`
`14:54.37`	`rhowe`	`I want to select just the most recent visit for each company`
`14:54.53`	`morsing`	`I this MySQL or proper SQL?`
`14:54.57`	`rhowe`	`MS SQL`
`14:55.08`	`rhowe`	`so, something of the form SELECT visitId, MAX(visitDate), companyId, ... FROM visits GROUP BY visitDate`
`14:55.24`	`rhowe`	`er, scratch that`
`14:55.30`	`rhowe`	`something of the form SELECT visitId, MAX(visitDate), companyId, ... FROM visits GROUP BY companyId`
`14:55.31`	`SlammerXP`	`select max(visitdate) from visits group by visitdate;`
`14:55.58`	`SlammerXP`	`err rhowe is right`
`14:56.00`	`rhowe`	`Except I can't include things like 'visitId' (and other attributes) because they're not aggregates, nor listed in GROUP BY`
`14:56.02`	`SlammerXP`	`thinko for me of the groupby`
`14:56.21`	`rhowe`	`And adding other attributes to group by (especially the primary key) doesn't really make sense`
`14:57.11`	`rhowe`	`So far, I'm doing something quite ugly with a subselect, which returns about twice as many rows as I need, and then weeding out the ones I don't want programmatically`
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`14:57.43`	`rhowe`	`crap, 'phone`
`14:57.44`	`rhowe`	`brb`
`14:58.57`	`SlammerXP`	`how about something like select date,company,vdate from (select date,company,max(visitdate) as vdate from table);`
`14:59.13`	`rhowe`	`SELECT ma FROM MarketingAction ma WHERE ma.visitDate IN (SELECT MAX(visitDate) FROM MarketingAction GROUP BY companyId) ORDER BY ma.visitDate DESC`
`15:02.51`	`rhowe`	`(not SQL, but HQL)`
`15:03.23`	`rhowe`	`However, forget I mentioned HQL for now :)`
`15:03.27`	`rhowe`	`OK, I'm back`
`15:04.38`	`rhowe`	`brb`
`15:05.56`	`rhowe`	`OK, back again`
`15:25.48`	`Cope`	`ibot hello`
`15:25.48`	`ibot`	`hello`
`15:25.59`	`morsing`	`rhowe: I found a hello_world pthreaded programme and it gives exactly the same error`
`15:26.11`	`Cope`	`ibot nslookup mbceatest.mercerhr.ie`
`15:27.17`	`rhowe`	`morsing: OK, so fix your pthreads library`
`15:27.27`	`morsing`	`How(e)?`
`15:27.41`	`Cope`	`woo rhowe`
`15:27.43`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Use a sane OS?`
`15:27.46`	`rhowe`	`heya Steve`
`15:27.51`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Happen to be around this evening?`
`15:27.52`	`Cope`	`are you waterlooing?`
`15:27.57`	`Cope`	`rhowe: very much so`
`15:28.13`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Ah yes, you're the reason we're in Waterloo, not Marylebone, aren't you?`
`15:28.16`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Looks like it`
`15:28.25`	`Cope`	`rhowe: ace`
`15:28.39`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Thanks`
`15:28.44`	`Cope`	`rhowe: well, the eurostar does appear in waterloo`
`15:29.13`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Feeble excuse, since the Jubilee line connects the two (almost)`
`15:30.29`	`morsing`	`How do I get to Waterloo`
`15:31.37`	`George`	`hi.`
`15:33.02`	`morsing`	`http://www.morsing.cc/pthread.h`
`15:34.44`	`SlammerXP`	`# Roses are red, violets are blue`
`15:34.53`	`SlammerXP`	`# Not using Debian MAKE BABY SEALS DIE`
`15:34.57`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Have you spotted the error?`
`15:35.46`	`morsing`	`rhowe?`
`15:42.23`	`Cope`	`morsing: where are you coming from?`
`15:42.30`	`morsing`	`Mars?`
`15:42.41`	`Cope`	`Marathon?`
`15:42.49`	`morsing`	`What? What do you mean?`
`15:43.43`	`Cope`	`You are going to embark on a journey, whose destination is Waterloo station, as evidenced by you asking the question "How do I get to Waterloo?"; I am requesting more information - specifically, what is teh start point for your journey.`
`15:44.41`	`Cope`	`the answer will vary. If, for example, you are starting from Winchester, the answer is: There ae 4 trains an hour, 2 of which are fast, and go directly to Waterloo, without stopping at any other stations.`
`15:45.23`	`morsing`	`:-D`
`15:45.55`	`morsing`	`The first part of the journey will be the train from Watford Junction to Euston London.`
`15:46.11`	`rhowe`	`morsing: hm?`
`15:46.17`	`morsing`	`rhowe: What input and output control boards are available for soekris?`
`15:46.24`	`Cope`	`morsing: in which case, take the northern line to waterloo.`
`15:46.31`	`morsing`	`No changes?`
`15:46.39`	`Cope`	`not from euston, no`
`15:46.43`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`15:46.54`	`Cope`	`erm`
`15:46.54`	`Cope`	`no`
`15:46.59`	`Cope`	`I'm talking rubbish`
`15:47.03`	`morsing`	`:-(`
`15:47.19`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Not much specific, but it has PCI, miniPCI, GPIO and RS232..`
`15:47.25`	`rhowe`	`morsing: You can attach many things`
`15:47.52`	`rhowe`	`morsing: No changes if you get the charing cross branch, but you'll be left looking a fool if you take the Bank branch`
`15:47.55`	`morsing`	`I need to attach something that can measure 0v/12v and analogue input`
`15:48.10`	`morsing`	`Like 10 digital inputs and three analogue`
`15:48.28`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Find an I2C device that does it?`
`15:48.29`	`Cope`	`morsing: from euston, the station, northern line to waterloo is fine;p`
`15:48.39`	`morsing`	`What's I2C?`
`15:48.47`	`Cope`	`morsing: direct; but from euston square, you must change.`
`15:48.47`	`morsing`	`Cope: Thanks`
`15:48.51`	`rhowe`	`morsing: A 2 wire data bus`
`15:49.03`	`rhowe`	`morsing: You can use two of the GPIO pins to run I2C`
`15:49.14`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Ok, but it must go to something? Where do I find this?`
`15:49.27`	`rhowe`	`Hm, no idea.. ask on the soekris list?`
`15:49.45`	`morsing`	`rhowe: I though you were the soekris list?`
`15:49.53`	`rhowe`	`http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/4994`
`15:49.58`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I am..`
`15:50.11`	`rhowe`	`INBOX [Msgs:389 New:270 Flag:1]`
`15:50.16`	`rhowe`	`I'm just not quite up to date on my email yet`
`15:53.45`	`LeedsHK`	`hallooo`
`15:54.10`	`morsing`	`http://www.xdimax.com/usb_i2c/u2c12.html`
`15:54.21`	`morsing`	`LeedsHK: What's GPIO?`
`15:54.36`	`rhowe`	`morsing: General Purpose I/O`
`15:55.21`	`rhowe`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPIO and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2C`
`15:55.54`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Oh, and of course the net4801 has a USB1.1 connector, so you could always use that for your sampling needs, although I suspect GPIO would be better`
`15:56.37`	`morsing`	`I don't really care about the interface`
`15:57.47`	`morsing`	`Bizarre!`
`15:57.49`	`morsing`	`http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html`
`16:06.29`	`LeedsHK`	`morsing: what rhowe said`
`16:07.18`	`murb`	`LeedsHK: and body pointed and laughed?`
`16:07.25`	`murb`	`or are you not american?`
`16:07.55`	`LeedsHK`	`I'm not American, and no body pointed or laughed`
`16:08.19`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`16:08.27`	`morsing`	`Mmm... beer`
`16:08.32`	`murb`	`LeedsHK: how very restrained!`
`16:10.50`	`LeedsHK`	`well, no-one knew`
`16:11.48`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:14.18`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Did you fix the pthread problem?`
`16:15.15`	`rhowe`	`morsing: No. Did you find a workaround for my SQL woes/`
`16:15.16`	`rhowe`	`?`
`16:16.53`	`morsing`	`rhowe: No`
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`16:28.13`	`LeedsHK`	`bedtime... g'night all`
`16:58.12`	`Cope`	`hello AngelChild`
`16:59.41`	`Cope`	`rhowe: 1830 kick off?`
`16:59.48`	`Cope`	`morsing: catch the train!`
`16:59.52`	`morsing`	`YES!`
`17:01.28`	`morsing`	`http://www.whom.co.uk/html/middle.htm`
`17:02.33`	`AngelChild`	`heya :)`
`17:04.40`	`Cope`	`greetings`
`17:05.41`	`morsing`	`Cope: Did you take the test?`
`17:10.09`	`morsing`	`Cope2E?`
`17:16.39`	`morsing`	`ibot wake Cope`
`17:16.43`	`ibot`	`Cope: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`17:20.57`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Hm.. sounds about fair`
`17:21.11`	`rhowe`	`Cope: I have an interesting book to bring along`
`17:25.32`	`George`	`rhowe: any idea how to take keys off the dinovo?`
`17:25.40`	`rhowe`	`George: Don't`
`17:25.47`	`George`	`rhowe: why?`
`17:25.50`	`rhowe`	`George: I broke mine doing that. The plastic clips are very fragile.`
`17:25.51`	`Cope`	`morsing: no`
`17:25.55`	`George`	`rhowe: heh, ok`
`17:25.58`	`Cope`	`rhowe: do you have a new phone #?`
`17:26.01`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Yes`
`17:26.20`	`Cope`	`text me then`
`17:26.22`	`rhowe`	`Cope: +44 (0) 7851564016`
`17:26.23`	`Cope`	`see you at 630 ish`
`17:26.47`	`rhowe`	`sent`
`17:26.51`	`Cope`	`kk`
`17:26.53`	`Cope`	`ttfn`
`17:27.10`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 200 EUR to GBP`
`17:43.28`	`rhowe`	`anyone travelling to .nl in the not-too-distant future?`
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`20:09.20`	`nubie-fax`	`i've got a PC running sarge and a broadband connection but my PC has NO modem inside. How can I send a fax?`
`20:09.50`	`mozrat`	`nubie-fax: there are probably some service providers that let you do this on the internet`
`20:09.53`	`gregj`	`whre's wetdream`
`20:09.55`	`gregj`	`http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/20/1754211&tid=129&tid=133`
`20:10.03`	`gregj`	`futurama might be resurected`
`20:10.30`	`nubie-fax`	`mozrat: are you telling me that i can not send faxes if i have no modem?`
`20:10.35`	`mozrat`	`nubie-fax: but without a modem I don't see how your server is going to send a fax`
`20:10.36`	`gregj`	`nubie-fax: send2fax.com for instance`
`20:10.46`	`mozrat`	`nubie-fax: pretty much`
`20:11.23`	`mozrat`	`there are packages on Linux that do fax-to-email`
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`20:11.41`	`mozrat`	`and probably email-to-fax but to send a fax you need some sort of telephony`
`20:12.48`	`nubie-fax`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:13.30`	`mozrat`	`nubie-fax: buy a modem :)`
`20:15.01`	`nubie-fax`	`you mean a GNU/Linux compatible modem? that is a modem blessed by His Holiness`
`20:16.05`	`mozrat`	`nah`
`20:16.15`	`mozrat`	`get an external serial port modem`
`20:16.17`	`nubie-fax`	`what do you mean?`
`20:16.41`	`mozrat`	`I agree internal PCI modems can be a pain in the ass - but then again a lot of them aren't actually proper modems`
`20:16.52`	`mozrat`	`they rely on processing from the CPU to demodulate etc`
`20:17.01`	`nubie-fax`	`correct if i'm wrong but an external serial modem is a modem blessed by His Holiness, right?`
`20:17.26`	`mozrat`	`well - I don't know what connections you have`
`20:17.33`	`mozrat`	`maybe "he" has blessed it`
`20:17.46`	`mozrat`	`maybe Father Christmas will deliver it - I just don't know`
`20:18.09`	`nubie-fax`	`mozrat: you are not a devotee, are you?`
`20:18.40`	`mozrat`	`of?`
`20:19.05`	`nubie-fax`	`His Holiness`
`20:19.30`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`20:19.39`	`nubie-fax`	`yes or no?`
`20:19.40`	`mozrat`	`I dunno - anyway. Hometime for me.`
`20:19.50`	`mozrat`	`I don't understand the question to be honest.`
`20:20.01`	`mozrat`	`in the way it relates to modems`
`20:20.41`	`nubie-fax`	`do you know who His Holiness is? i am not taking about that fascist in the Vatican`
`20:20.58`	`mozrat`	`no`
`20:21.56`	`nubie-fax`	`http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/05/292506.jpg`
`20:22.58`	`mozrat`	`oh that nut`
`20:23.15`	`mozrat`	`what the hell is he wearing in that picture`
`20:23.43`	`mozrat`	`anyway - I really shouldn't be in the office at 2030. My dog has received my dinner tonight`
`20:23.51`	`mozrat`	`so - catch you later....`
`20:24.41`	`nubie-fax`	`ok. ta!`
`20:27.23`	`nubie-fax`	`if i get an external serial modem, will it at some point disrupt my broadband connection??`
`20:43.56`	`George`	`ok, this is depressing`
`20:44.01`	`George`	`I just got an email from some dude calling me an expert`
`20:44.35`	`George`	`from a chap at STANFORD???`
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`21:55.44`	`conrad_`	`hi, does someone know if grip is what i need to translate mp3 into cd format?`
`21:56.37`	`conrad_`	`^_^ sorry to ask such a newbie question`
`21:56.51`	`conrad_`	`i presume that someone here is alive?`
`21:57.51`	`SlammerXP`	`what do you mean by "cd format"?`
`21:58.50`	`conrad_`	`i want to be able to burn the mp3 to a cd and play it in my cd player`
`21:59.08`	`murb`	`conrad_: ok, you need to turn it into raw audio first.`
`21:59.11`	`murb`	`mpg321 can do that.`
`21:59.20`	`conrad_`	`ok`
`21:59.23`	`murb`	`then cdrecord -audio *.wav should do the rest.`
`21:59.31`	`murb`	`assumin gthey are called .wav`
`21:59.41`	`conrad_`	`mpg321, i have not heard of - an application presumably?`
`22:02.56`	`conrad_`	`hmm...can grip do it too?`
`22:04.13`	`murb`	`no idea.`
`22:04.54`	`conrad_`	`k, i downloaded mpg321 but don't know how to run it??`
`22:05.32`	`conrad_`	`i typed mpg321 in command line and a list came down but no player`
`22:07.29`	`conrad_`	`murb: no idea on that either?`
`22:08.31`	`conrad_`	`well, thx anyways`
`22:11.35`	`murb`	`try typing man mpg321`
`22:12.30`	`z00dax`	`<side note>how about using something like k3b ? </side note>`
`22:16.17`	`conrad_`	`<hmm...>didn't know k3b could convert mp3 into raw audio or .wav format. Can you say more</mm...>`
`22:19.33`	`z00dax`	`conrad_, what distro are you using ?`
`22:20.59`	`conrad_`	`ubuntu`
`22:21.43`	`conrad_`	`i hope no one is shaking their head ^_^`
`22:21.57`	`z00dax`	`i have no idea about ubuntu - but it should have k3b and k3b-mp3 pkgs`
`22:22.14`	`conrad_`	`i'm looking at k3b now`
`22:22.24`	`conrad_`	`i haven't seen a way yet`
`22:22.40`	`conrad_`	`that doesn't mean there isn't one ; j`
`22:25.11`	`conrad_`	`z00dax: where does your k3b have k3b-mp3`
`22:25.37`	`conrad_`	`i imagine they're all the same`
`22:25.37`	`z00dax`	`its a package you need to install`
`22:25.46`	`conrad_`	`ah!`
`22:25.46`	`z00dax`	`apt-get install k3b-mp3`
`22:25.50`	`z00dax`	`or whatever its called on ubuntu`
`22:26.09`	`conrad_`	`yes, sudo apt-get etc : )`
`22:27.57`	`conrad_`	`or just let Synaptic take care of it`
`22:28.11`	`conrad_`	`what os do you use?`
`22:29.13`	`z00dax`	`linux`
`22:30.27`	`conrad_`	`well, i figured that, what flavor?!`
`22:30.44`	`conrad_`	`GNU/Linux to be precise right?`
`22:30.59`	`z00dax`	`CentOS`
`22:31.20`	`conrad_`	`ok`
`22:35.45`	`conrad_`	`having installed k3b-mp3, does that add on to the original k3b or is that a separate front end application, because if so i don't find it`
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`22:37.42`	`conrad_`	`z00dax: d'you know? how is it on yours?`
`22:40.38`	`z00dax`	`in k3b, just start a new audio cd project, drag and drop in the mp3's and burn that to cd`
`22:43.13`	`conrad_`	`yeah, i just been doing that`
`22:43.38`	`conrad_`	`thx big time z00dax, for directing me to k3b-mp3`
`22:43.49`	`conrad_`	`what would we do without k3b?!`
`23:27.48`	`mozrat`	`Hello - I'm playing with the win32com module. Is it possible to make COM connections using different credentials than the user running the script?`
`23:27.58`	`mozrat`	`as in feed the module a name and password?`
`23:30.58`	`mozrat`	`ahhh`
`23:31.12`	`mozrat`	`hello #gllug - I thought I was in the #python channel!`
`23:32.50`	`AngelChild`	`hehe`
`23:34.56`	`mozrat`	`yeah :(`

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