irclog2html for #gllug on 20051230

00:02.28Leedssleeptime
00:03.21Georgecya
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00:21.27Georgehallo mozrat
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09:30.42Copehello morsing
09:33.36morsing'morning
09:33.52morsingI installed Ubuntu for a friend yesterday
09:33.56Copeaha
09:34.06Copewhat does the friend (and indeed you) make of it?
09:34.06morsingDon't know if it was the right choice...
09:34.42morsingI have installed Suse and Mandrake for him a few times but it always dissapears a week or two after I leave
09:35.05morsingI brought Suse 10 on a DVD only to find that his computer couldn't read DVDs
09:35.31morsingOnly thing is he's always been impressed with KDE and now he has Gnome
09:36.04morsingI was a bit pressed for time and wanted to start up the ssh server on it but couldn't figure out howto :-(
09:36.13morsingHow should he do that?
09:38.14Copehmm
09:38.23Cope/etc/init.d/sshd start
09:38.49Copeif its not installed, install it first :)
09:38.56morsingPossibly but is there a Ubuntu admin application he should use?
09:39.04Copeoh i dunno
09:39.13Copei'd just use the init script
09:39.19morsingAnd will it be running a firewall? I didnøt have time to check anything
09:39.21Copebut maybe that's not very new-user friendly
09:40.37Copehrm, unsure; he could simply take a look... see if iptables is installed? look at them if they are? see if the kernel modules are being used.
09:41.55morsingHa ha. It's troublesome to explaain that to him over the phone :-)
09:42.20Copeyeah :(
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10:14.22GeorgeMem:       2073300     224296    1849004          0       6764     108020
10:14.23Georgeyay
10:19.52AndrewBlackmorning all
10:20.54morsingAndrewBlack!
10:21.06AndrewBlackStill in demark?
10:21.13morsingYes!
10:21.14AndrewBlackStill in denmark?
10:36.21AndrewBlackHi Dan. I have installed IRSSI.  Just RTFMing to see how to connect to gllug
10:38.34GeorgeAndrewBlack: /connect irc.freenode.net
10:38.39GeorgeAndrewBlack: /join #gllug
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10:40.45andrewCheers, this is coming from the irssi (hopefully)
10:41.07andrewNeed to change the email address and nick
10:42.26morsingDec 30 10:42:04 localhost postfix/smtp[10435]: warning: no MX host for post8.tele.dk has a valid A record
10:50.40Copehello andrew
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10:52.38boztuAndrewBlack; hey this irssi thing is pretty neat! thanks :o)
10:53.03AndrewBlackhi cope
10:53.58boztuexit
10:55.58morsingDoes anyone get any output from this command please?
10:55.59morsingdig -t MX post8.tele.dk | grep "A" | grep fpo
10:57.19boudiccasmorsing; nothing :(
11:05.44morsingIf I do an MX query is it supposed to give me A records for the MX hosts in the "additionals" section?
11:07.17morsingThatøs why I can't send mail!
11:15.33Copeirssi rocks
11:17.34morsingirssi sucks
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11:20.25boztuhrmmph!
11:20.41Copemorsing rocks
11:21.16boztuMary had a little lamb, its fleece was balck as soot, and everywhere that Mary went, its mucky foot it put!
11:21.53boztu<-- just playing with irssi :o)
11:23.52GeorgeCope: no. Rocks rock.
11:24.25boztuand pebbles tap
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11:26.07Georgehey hey Leeds
11:26.38Leedsmorgen
11:27.01GeorgeI'm up far too early for my own good
11:27.42Leedsyes
11:27.48LeedsI've been up for about 5 hours
11:28.02Copehello Leeds
11:40.10andrewHow do I get IRSSI to start one(or more) channels when it starts
11:40.31andrewThe docs say talk about adding /SEVER and /NETWORK but don't say
11:40.38andrewwhere to add these :-(
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11:53.27boudiccasgah, freaking power blips :(
11:57.01Leedsandrew: there's a startup file
11:57.38rhowehm, I'm tempted to post this vulnerability to bugtraq, although it's not a bug that's really fixable
11:58.29rhowe"Users allow arbitrary code execution"
12:00.32Copehello rhowe
12:02.43andrewq
12:02.53andrewq
12:02.56andrewexit
12:03.47rhoweafternoon
12:03.56morsingAndrewBlack?
12:04.32AndrewBlack<PROTECTED>
12:04.50AndrewBlackSorry about the q and exit.  Forgot to put /exit
12:05.18AndrewBlackNeed to display some [L] plates :-)
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12:20.41boztuandrew; i'm using irssi atm from an emacs shell! cool! :o)
12:22.46Copedoesn't emacs have its own irc client built in?
12:24.03boztunot sure, I think its called 'erc' but as i said i'm not sure
12:24.21morsingDo I really need resolvconf?
12:24.41morsingWhat's the format of /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original?
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12:31.00wethrinhello
12:31.07rhoweafternoon
12:31.11wethrinrhowe!
12:31.40rhoweWas Patara up to its usual standard last night?
12:31.51rhoweWe walked past, but couldn't see you
12:31.53wethrinClose to it
12:31.56wethrinWe were downstairs
12:32.04rhoweAh, thought you might be
12:32.15wethrinI still enjoyed it. And it wasn't even expensive :)
12:35.40Copefood was yummy
12:35.58Georgemoo
12:36.17wethrinhi George
12:37.08Georgehi
12:39.25Copehello wethrin
12:41.01wethrinYay Cope!
12:41.11wethrinDid you get home okay last night?
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12:54.50Copeyes thanks
12:55.11wethringood good
13:16.25Leedsright... staples
13:17.27Leedsas opposed, of course, to left paperclips, which are completely different
13:21.21wethrinThey're an aquired taste
13:21.25rhoweoh cool, one of my favourite tracks! http://213.115.129.124:8000;stream.nsv
13:21.42rhoweheh, haven't seen the video before
14:36.11GeorgeI need to shave, but I can't be fucked
14:36.15GeorgeI need help.
14:53.51GeorgeI have a new computer
14:53.51Georgewoo.
14:55.33Leedswow
14:56.16Leedsthe weather is slightly nasty out there
14:56.26Georgeheh
14:59.43Georgestorage locker?
14:59.56GeorgeLeeds: know anything about lirc btw?
15:00.28Leedsinfra-red?  I used it on my ipaq, but not recently
15:00.52Georgehrmm
15:01.12Leedsbluetooth, baby - join the 21st century
15:01.20GeorgeLeeds: this is for my remote control
15:01.25GeorgeLeeds: for my soundblaster audigy
15:02.23Leedsah, so not bluetooth then
15:02.26Georgeyeah
15:03.00LeedsI have some serious work to do here, and I really just cannot be bothered
15:03.17Georgeok
15:03.17George:)
15:04.12Leedsso I think I'll just mess around online instead...
15:04.25Georgehah
15:04.26Georgelazy bastard
15:08.25Leedsheh
15:20.58morsing*sigh*
15:21.15George*hgis*
15:22.10Leeds"so we'll march day and night by the big cooling tower / they have the plant, but we have the power"
15:23.59GeorgeLeeds: ?
15:26.11LeedsSimpsons
15:27.41Georgeheh
17:00.03Leedsho hum...
17:02.15Georgeho hum indeed
17:14.44Georgewethrin: you fat bastard
17:17.10wethrinI could be fatter!
17:19.31Leedscouldn't we all...
17:22.36wethrinSound card problems?
17:22.45Georgenope
17:22.48Georgeremote control problems
17:22.53wethrinAhh
17:23.37Georgeit's some weird usb irda hybrid which sucks
17:24.11wethrineww
17:26.49GeorgeI don't want to have to write a driver for it
17:26.50Georgegrr
17:26.51Georgethis sucks.
17:27.02LeedsI assume you've done the research
17:27.27GeorgeLeeds: googled for hours
17:27.36GeorgeLeeds: the usb thing comes up as an hiddev device
17:27.58GeorgeLeeds: hexdumping /dev/usb/hiddev0 splurts out stuff when I hit various keys on the remote
17:28.24GeorgeLeeds: for some reason if I hit the same key twice or more times, only the first time registers anything. Any subsequent presses don't do anything.
17:33.03Leedsfirefox go bye-bye
17:33.29George?
17:33.57Leedswhat I meant was looking for other people who've tried to get the same hardware working
17:34.34Georgeyes
17:34.44GeorgeI've only found one chap by trawling the mailing lists
17:41.25Leedsnoly one other person with that card and Linux?
17:41.29morsingWhich .deb does the resolver come from?
17:42.00Leedsor do most people just not care all that much about the remote?
17:43.30GeorgeLeeds: apparently
17:43.44Georgeseems I'm the only person weird enough to care about this remote
17:43.52Georgeit's a fairly recent card
17:44.05Georgeand the pro version of the audigy uses a different infrared thingy
17:48.04Leedsah, so you had to get the extra-expensive one which no-one else wasted their money on?
18:08.50GeorgeLeeds: no
18:08.56GeorgeLeeds: I got the cheap one which nobody has
18:09.04GeorgeLeeds: everyone else has the extra expensive one :)
18:09.11GeorgeLeeds: I don't deem it worth 130 pounds for a sound card
18:09.19Georgeso I spent 40 instead
18:09.37LeedsI use the one on my motherboard nowadays
18:10.37LeedsFlaming Homer!
18:10.48Georgeheh
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19:12.59Leedshmm... teatime...
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19:26.11morsingCan someone explain why the "additional" section when using a nameserver would miss oout information?
19:26.25morsingAndrewBlack! What was your question earlier?
19:27.14Leedsmorsing: what on earth are you talking about?
19:31.34morsingLeeds: My mail server hasn't worked for two days now because the names in the MX section doesn't get listed with an A record in the additional section
19:31.49morsingI canøt figure out what's wrong :-(
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19:32.41Leedswhat is an additional section?
19:32.58morsingLeeds: Try dig -t mx dr.dk
19:33.22morsingDo you get an IP address for the mail server?
19:33.34Leedsand I ask you again: what is an additional section?
19:34.44morsinghttp://web.mit.edu/6.033/www/assignments/dns.html
19:34.54morsingBottom section in output
19:35.15LeedsI am asking you to explain to me what it is
19:35.59morsingI don't know what it is but it's missing
19:36.10morsingAnd causing my mail server to not work
19:36.22Leedsdns is not hard
19:37.44morsingLeeds: So you can fix it then?
19:38.24Leedsnot particularly, since I don't know what you're trying to do, what software you're using to do it, and how much of the setup you actually control
19:38.55Leedsplus I'm about to go out and try to find some food...
19:39.07morsingLeeds: I control everything using bind9 (or 8) and postfix
19:39.36Leedsand incidentally, http://www.safestore.co.uk/about_safe_store.htm is an infinitely long web page
19:40.29Leedsso you control the dns for both dr.dk and virus112.com/.dk?
19:44.29morsingLeeds: No
19:44.45morsingNor the whole world
19:44.55morsingIF only I did
19:45.38Leedsso... you don't control everything...
19:45.46morsing...
19:46.41Leedsand I assume your postfix install isn't running on the virus112 machines?
19:48.36morsingIndeed
19:49.21Leedshow did you deduce that it's a dns problem?
19:50.41morsingBecause the A records are missing from the additional section. It's the only issue I can find
19:50.57morsingOn other servers I have access to I get the result I expect
19:52.28morsingHow do I clear the cache in bind? It's in memory right, so restarting...
19:52.29LeedsI don't think the additional section exists - I think it's an artifact of the dns lookup, not the data itself
19:52.41Leedsyes, restarting should clear the cache
19:52.56morsingLeeds: So the problem is with Postfix? Or something completey different?
19:53.17morsingIt broke after 'resolvconf' got installed by accident yesterday
19:53.20LeedsI would guess it's with either postfix or something else in your mail routing
19:54.01Leedsfor example, I know exim can be set to accept mail for all domains for which it's the (optionally, primary) MX server - obviously, in this case, your server isn't the actual MX server for the domain
19:54.24morsingBut I have two servers running the same version of Bind and the other one has A records in the additional section. And a third server with a different bind as well
19:54.24Leedsassuming that virus112 is a proxing mail system, which does virus scanning en route
19:54.36morsingLeeds: It is though
19:54.48Leedsas I said - I think the additional section is an artifact of the lookup
19:54.50morsingLeeds: Where does this virus112 come from?
19:55.10Leedsfrom the result of the original dig
19:55.22morsingThis server is the auth. server for morsing.cc, morsing.org and aixperts.co.uk
19:55.40Leeds;; ANSWER SECTION:
19:55.41Leedsdr.dk.                  300     IN      MX      30 scanner3.virus112.dk.
19:55.41Leedsdr.dk.                  300     IN      MX      20 scanner2.virus112.com.
19:55.41Leedsdr.dk.                  300     IN      MX      10 scanner1.virus112.com.
19:55.43morsingLeeds: That dig was for the domain I was trying to send mail to
19:56.05Leedsand I go back to my original question: what on earth are you talking about?
19:56.47Leedswait - are you talking about incoming or outgoing mail?
19:56.52morsingWhen I try to send mail I get the following fatal messages
19:56.52morsingDec 30 19:49:42 localhost postfix/smtp[6609]: warning: no MX host for post8.tele.dk has a valid A record
19:56.56morsingDec 30 19:49:42 localhost postfix/smtp[6609]: 28B2A155: to=<morsing@post8.tele.dk>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced ([fpo.mail.dk]: Name or service not known)
19:57.05Leedsno, generally, what on earth are you talking about?
19:57.09morsingFor every domain I have tryed except one
19:57.17morsing*sigh*
19:57.47morsingmozrat: Back me up here!
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20:54.28ellehello
21:53.41Leedswhenever I watch a DVD on a standalone player, it always shocks me that anyone would pay for a machine which doesn't let you skip the ads on the disk you bought
21:54.12Georgeheh
21:54.13Georgemplayer :D
21:56.03Georgetaking a couple of 19" crt monitors to computer exchange tomorrow to try and flog to them
21:58.31Leedsnot worth very much, I'd imagine
21:59.03Georgetheir website says they'll give 37 quid for them
21:59.07Georgeor something
22:02.33LeedsI assume you're not going on the tube
22:02.49Leedsor - going to Harrow... do they still have a store in Harrow?
22:10.23Georgeyes
22:10.26Georgedriving to harrow
22:31.15Leedsname two famous Belgians
22:31.40Georgedunno
22:31.49andrewFranck
22:32.16LeedsFrank who?
22:32.50andrewCesar Franck  - composer
22:33.13Leedsokay
22:33.32GeorgeLeeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Belgians
22:33.42Leedsyes, I'm there
22:34.15Leedsthe question came up when I was talking to someone recently, and I got two - was just checking them, and checking if there were other I *should* have got
22:34.32GeorgeLeeds: and we were discussing this in the pub
22:34.37GeorgeLeeds: and I splurted out nobel :)
22:34.47andrewHerge - creator of Tintin
22:34.56Leedswhich is probably where it came up recently...
22:35.11GeorgeLeeds: heh
22:35.33Leedsyou really think I've been keeping track of who I've spoken to where and when in hte past week or so?
22:35.55Leedsandrew: yes
22:35.59Georgeyou never know with strange people from hong kong
22:36.39Leedsno, I know lots of strange people from hong kong
22:37.43George:P
22:37.51Leedsand even more strange people who live in HK
22:37.59George:)
22:38.48Leedsandrew: I got the muscles from Brussels, and Kim Clijsters
22:53.15TimMagicpoirot
22:54.38TimMagicthat weird singing nun
22:57.20Leedsuh, poirot isn't a nun, weird and singing or otherwise
22:58.25TimMagicwasnt he? i have been seriously misled!
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23:13.28Leeds"this isn't flying - it's falling with style!" "to infinity and beyond!"
23:13.42Leedsfscking 2-hour timeout!
23:14.24TimMagic2 hr timeout on what?
23:15.08Leedsmy dialup
23:15.27Leedswell, Jason's dialup
23:15.31TimMagicooh
23:15.42TimMagicthought u dudes would be on broadband
23:16.02Leedsnot when I'm only in the country for 11 days
23:16.21TimMagicok
23:16.49TimMagici would have thought bein part of the greater london lug would require bein in the country
23:17.00Leedsnot at all
23:17.10TimMagicunless of course u arent in the country at the mo - in which case i look silly!
23:17.21Leedswe take 'greater' very liberally around here :-)
23:17.26TimMagicvery!
23:17.36TimMagicwhere are you normally?
23:17.45Leedsibot seen anth
23:17.54ibotanth <~anth@host217-44-203-107.range217-44.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 491d 3h 57m 17s ago, saying: 'thanks'.
23:17.55LeedsHong Kong, at the moment
23:18.15TimMagicnice
23:18.38Leedshmm... I'm sure anth has been around more recently than that, and not from BT
23:18.44TimMagicnever been but id like to
23:19.12Leedsso, come... we'll do noodles...
23:20.11TimMagicerm - im in my pjs and just got back from noodles so i may take a raincheck
23:21.09Leedsdon't go out in the rain in pjs
23:21.41TimMagicwell i know that now dont i?!!?
23:22.04Leedsgood, just (rain)checking
23:22.21TimMagicarf arf! you are funny!!!
23:23.10TimMagicgiven the times that people seem to be in here and the fact most socializin is done in pubs, am i right to assume there are a few students here?
23:23.52Leedsnot as many as you might think
23:24.11Leedsof the regulars, there's one doing a phd and one doing a-levels
23:25.50TimMagicinteresting!
23:25.53TimMagicand you?
23:26.17Leedsgot 5 of one, none of t'other
23:26.51Leedsyou?
23:26.57TimMagic5 phd's? i am humbled!
23:27.24TimMagicstill a member of the NUS for another 25 hours
23:27.36Leedsgraduated this year?
23:27.38TimMagicbut otherwise awaiting entry to the met
23:27.46TimMagicdropped out this year :-(
23:27.50Leedsmet as in police?
23:27.55TimMagicyep
23:28.00Leedsyou're a pig?
23:28.23TimMagicnot yet
23:28.32Leedsah, so just a piglet...
23:28.36Leeds(nothing personal)
23:28.38TimMagicyep!
23:29.22Leedsgonna be pounding the streets, or something more interesting?
23:29.36TimMagicstreet pounding to start with
23:29.49TimMagicthen hopefully something interesting
23:30.09Leedsso should we be careful what we say in here from now on? :-)
23:30.21TimMagicits safe at the mo
23:30.56TimMagicas soon as i achieve rozzer status ill let you know!
23:31.13LeedsI can think of a couple of regulars who might overreact to having The Man around...
23:31.42TimMagicreally?
23:31.54Leedsyup
23:32.08TimMagicengaging in too many guilty pleasures?
23:32.43Leedsnah, just dangerous subversives
23:33.36TimMagichehe ok
23:33.46TimMagicas long as im not implicated!
23:34.38Leedsso will you be at Hendon?
23:35.00TimMagicsure will
23:35.23TimMagic7 minutes cycle ride from my house!
23:35.42Leedsoh, where's your house?  it's about 7 minutes ride from mine too...
23:36.05Leeds(estimate - I don't have a bike)
23:36.15TimMagicedgware
23:36.29TimMagic(burnt oak - but i hate admitting that!)
23:36.42Leedsah, burnt oak :-)  I'm on the very northern edge of Hendon
23:37.59TimMagicok
23:38.20TimMagicfond fan of the (bloody) northern line then?
23:39.00Leedsfortunately, I've never had to use it for anything but leisure - before I went to HK, I was working in Watford
23:39.49Leedsbut the MTR (underground) in HK is far better
23:40.54TimMagicwell afaik it works
23:41.10TimMagicwhich qualifies it to be better than the whole underground network
23:41.33Leedsheh
23:42.18TimMagicsorry - am in not in a great mood this evening
23:42.27Leedsno worries
23:42.35LeedsI appear to be doing a Pixar night :-)
23:42.45TimMagicoh?
23:43.04TimMagictoy stories, bugs life, incredibles...
23:43.24Leedsjust by myself at home - done Toy Story, doing Toy Story 2, will do Incredibles, got Nemo but will probably be asleep before then
23:43.47Leedsdon't appear to have bug's life, which is an error I should correct ASAP
23:44.02TimMagicyes indeed!
23:44.17Leedsback in HK though, I think
23:44.53TimMagicwith it being nearly tomorrow i am off to bed - dont get too lonely!
23:45.17LeedsI won't - sleep well
23:45.25TimMagicttyl
23:45.52wethrinhello
23:46.47Leedsevening wethrin
23:47.19wethrinhow's your clearout going?
23:52.38Leedsnot so much
23:52.55wethrinoh dear

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