| 00:01.05 | Leeds | pretty much got as far as buying some heavy-duty rubbish bags, and putting down a deposit on a storage locker |
| 00:04.05 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.05 | Leeds | You can still keep your ISA open and you will still be entitled to the tax benefits on investments held in the ISA. If you become UK resident and ordinarily resident, you can start putting money in again. |
| 00:05.14 | wethrin | Not even if you move temporarily aborad? |
| 00:08.06 | Leeds | there are very specific and vague rules as to what consitutes being 'resident' and 'ordinarily resident' |
| 00:08.40 | Leeds | basically, there are rules, which all seem to end with 'these rules sometimes do not apply' |
| 00:08.48 | wethrin | lovely |
| 00:09.52 | Leeds | essentially, if you spend more than 1/2 the (tax) year outside the country, you're not resident... but if, for example, you spent 8 months away on a placement, and then came back to the UK, you would still be ordinarily resident |
| 00:10.13 | Leeds | I am probably neither at this point |
| 00:11.00 | Leeds | in fact, I was going to call the tax people to chat to them about it... I wonder how open they'll be tomorrow |
| 00:12.24 | wethrin | Given it's Saturday... |
| 00:12.48 | Leeds | logical tomorrow, not physical |
| 00:14.02 | wethrin | Yes. Logical tomorrow is Saturday. Most unlikely they'd be open |
| 00:15.59 | Leeds | yeah... mon->fri |
| 00:16.49 | wethrin | eh. It's after midnight, it's quite allowable |
| 00:17.35 | Leeds | I was a lazy git on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday when I should have called them |
| 00:18.39 | wethrin | Hm. Monday's a bank holiday |
| 00:19.03 | Leeds | shit, forgot about that |
| 00:19.10 | Leeds | argh |
| 00:19.25 | Leeds | I was thinking Monday was a normal day |
| 00:19.25 | wethrin | hello ge |
| 00:19.30 | wethrin | So phone them on Tuesday |
| 00:19.33 | wethrin | Er. George |
| 00:19.36 | wethrin | Damned lag |
| 00:19.41 | George | been talking to alex's best friend for a while lol |
| 00:19.59 | George | cope has been labelled a paedophile |
| 00:20.09 | Leeds | I'm leaving Monday night |
| 00:20.13 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 00:20.27 | George | wethrin: by alex's best friend... |
| 00:20.49 | wethrin | George: That would imply he's having inappropriate relations with someone under the age of consent |
| 00:20.56 | George | yeah |
| 00:21.15 | wethrin | which he isn't, so.... |
| 00:21.32 | George | yeah |
| 00:21.42 | George | doesn't stop her calling him a paedo though |
| 00:21.56 | George | it is on the verge of inappropriacy though |
| 00:22.04 | Leeds | wethrin: yes and no |
| 00:23.05 | wethrin | and, IIRC, technically a paedophile is one who's overly interested in pre-pubescent children |
| 00:23.28 | George | well, cope's just weird |
| 00:23.56 | Leeds | there are legal and psychological definitions... |
| 00:24.24 | Leeds | either way - if he actually is serious about it - I wasn't sure if he was just joking around - then I would say it's very inappropriate |
| 00:24.43 | George | lol |
| 00:24.45 | wethrin | Cope is a very nice guy, and a good friend |
| 00:24.51 | George | wethrin: true |
| 00:25.02 | Leeds | true |
| 00:25.27 | George | I like cope a lot |
| 00:25.36 | George | I just think that all this is a bit, well, silly |
| 00:25.41 | George | we're not in biblical times ;) |
| 00:25.57 | wethrin | New or Old Testament? :) |
| 00:26.32 | George | wethrin: both :P |
| 00:33.30 | wethrin | heh |
| 00:41.07 | Leeds | Sir Tom Jones |
| 00:42.32 | wethrin | he's more deserving than some of the people who've got them |
| 00:43.47 | Leeds | it's not unusual... |
| 00:43.56 | George | lol |
| 00:44.11 | George | I deserve a knighthood |
| 00:44.36 | wethrin | GAH |
| 00:44.38 | wethrin | Leeds, even |
| 00:44.49 | wethrin | George: for services to what? |
| 00:45.32 | George | wethrin: uniting humanity |
| 00:45.39 | George | wethrin: by giving them a common enemy - me |
| 00:46.59 | wethrin | Ehh. We still have Richard Stallman to beat :) |
| 00:47.04 | wethrin | And then all the crazy hippies |
| 00:51.20 | Leeds | Dr. Lord Stallman of GNU |
| 00:53.08 | George | wethrin: you have a halo? |
| 00:53.16 | wethrin | no, RMS does |
| 00:54.19 | George | my cambridge letter may arrive tomorro |
| 00:54.19 | George | w |
| 00:54.34 | wethrin | ooh. Best of luck |
| 00:54.41 | George | *may* |
| 00:54.45 | Leeds | George: Sunday? |
| 00:54.51 | George | Leeds: ok, later today |
| 00:54.58 | wethrin | Although there may not be post on NYE |
| 00:55.16 | George | see, this is why holidays suck |
| 00:55.25 | George | there's no difference, and the post doesn't run :P |
| 00:56.44 | George | wethrin: depends on the letter ;) |
| 00:56.47 | Leeds | NYE is a normal day |
| 00:56.52 | wethrin | Well, yes :) |
| 01:01.13 | George | wethrin: ;) |
| 01:01.15 | Leeds | that's TS2 done |
| 01:01.20 | George | hopefully my orange simpack will come tomorrow as well |
| 01:01.28 | George | Leeds: what was that tv series you suggested I watch? |
| 01:01.52 | wethrin | George: Getting yet more mobile phones? |
| 01:01.57 | George | wethrin: dude. |
| 01:02.07 | George | wethrin: this is the one i was talking about in the pub |
| 01:02.17 | George | wethrin: you really ought to listen instead of drinking, fatso |
| 01:02.22 | wethrin | oi :-P |
| 01:02.31 | George | :) |
| 01:02.41 | George | heh |
| 01:02.46 | George | at least I've got hair on my head to pat |
| 01:03.18 | George | u |
| 01:03.22 | George | woops. |
| 01:03.43 | wethrin | I'll still get hair on my head |
| 01:03.51 | wethrin | I'm not quite bald yet |
| 01:03.58 | George | wethrin: yeah, you're not quite Cope yet |
| 01:04.03 | Leeds | George: spaced |
| 01:04.07 | George | Leeds: ok |
| 01:04.07 | wethrin | :-) |
| 01:04.13 | George | Leeds: can I come over and steal it? |
| 01:07.02 | Leeds | uh... |
| 01:07.28 | Leeds | well, I've got the DVDs here, but I intend to take them to HK with me on Monday |
| 01:07.33 | George | oh, ok |
| 01:07.41 | George | never mind then :) |
| 01:07.52 | Leeds | you should be able to download it without too much trouble |
| 01:07.55 | George | you're going to HK on monday? |
| 01:08.00 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:08.06 | George | time? |
| 01:08.16 | George | wethrin: i wouldn't want your copy anyway |
| 01:08.25 | wethrin | Fine. More for me. |
| 01:08.28 | George | :P |
| 01:11.18 | Leeds | mmm.... Incredibles |
| 01:11.32 | wethrin | w00t! |
| 01:11.55 | George | I have that |
| 01:12.10 | George | my mother fed me an alcoholic pie today :'( |
| 01:15.31 | wethrin | ha |
| 01:15.34 | wethrin | steak and ale? |
| 01:15.38 | George | no |
| 01:15.42 | George | steak and red wine and mushrooms |
| 01:15.44 | George | :( |
| 01:16.18 | wethrin | sounds good |
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| 01:18.54 | George | Leeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving |
| 01:18.57 | George | Leeds: that chap, right? |
| 01:21.10 | Leeds | yes, that's the bastard |
| 01:21.27 | George | heh |
| 01:23.30 | Leeds | I have friends... |
| 01:23.50 | George | Leeds: what do you mean by that? |
| 01:24.20 | wethrin | I think it means he doesn't *have* to keep our company on IRC :-) |
| 01:24.33 | George | wethrin: what a pompous baffoon! |
| 01:24.47 | George | how dare he suggest that IRC is disposable |
| 01:26.40 | Leeds | not at all |
| 01:26.57 | Leeds | I meant ...in high places or ...with hidden resources |
| 01:27.20 | George | OH MY GOD |
| 01:27.25 | George | irving has the same birthday as me |
| 01:27.30 | Leeds | I am part of international Jewry, after all - we do control the world (particularly, governments, the media and international finance), you know |
| 01:27.55 | wethrin | The giant Jewish Conspiracy? :) |
| 01:28.14 | Leeds | yup |
| 01:29.57 | Leeds | look up the protocols of the elders of Zion |
| 01:30.29 | wethrin | Are they documented in an RFC? |
| 01:31.18 | Leeds | not as such - but they probably should be |
| 01:31.36 | George | lol |
| 01:32.58 | Leeds | I don't know if he went through with it in the end, but I know that when Yoz first met Deborah Lipstadt, he offered to set her up with a blog - and I know that she now has one, complete with a very nice post about Limmud at the top |
| 01:33.17 | Leeds | "I just returned from an incredible experience at Limmud, the festival of Jewish learning, in Nottingham, UK. I was there two years ago. It was a stupendous experience." |
| 01:33.48 | George | nothing in the wikipedia about limmud |
| 01:34.23 | Leeds | cool, wikisource has the full text of the verdict |
| 01:35.14 | Leeds | George: yeah, I know - the only thing is a link to the Limmud New York site from an article about someone who presented there |
| 01:35.28 | Leeds | I was planning to write up an article at some point |
| 01:35.53 | George | I am a Baby Aryan, Not Jewish or Sectarian, I have no plans to marry-an, Ape or Rastafarian |
| 01:35.57 | George | that's it |
| 01:36.55 | Leeds | yup |
| 01:37.15 | Leeds | lovely little poem for a child to learn |
| 01:37.25 | George | is he really that stupid that he actually tried to sue for libel? |
| 01:37.29 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:37.32 | George | Leeds: how old was his daughter? |
| 01:37.39 | Leeds | dunno |
| 01:37.51 | Leeds | I believe the story was that she was in a buggy |
| 01:38.14 | George | ok, his daughter was born in '93 |
| 01:38.19 | George | according to google |
| 01:38.27 | George | and the diary entry is from '94 |
| 01:38.40 | Leeds | so an infant |
| 01:38.58 | Leeds | I'm just enjoying reading some of the verdict which just tears him to *shreds* |
| 01:39.02 | George | :) |
| 01:40.56 | Leeds | albeit in legal terms, not emotive ones |
| 01:44.16 | Leeds | "It seems to me that the Defendants are justified in their contention that Irving?s readiness to resile from positions he had adopted in what he has written and said about important aspects of the Holocaust demonstrates his willingness to make assertions about the Nazi era which, as he must appreciate, are irreconcilable with the available evidence." |
| 01:44.56 | Leeds | "he changes his story whenever he is confronted with evidence which proves him wrong" |
| 01:46.11 | Leeds | "The picture of Irving which emerges from the evidence of his extra-curricular activities reveals him to be a right-wing pro-Nazi polemicist." |
| 01:56.23 | George | hrmm |
| 02:04.11 | Leeds | bedtime |
| 02:19.58 | wethrin | night |
| 02:48.14 | George | very cool |
| 02:48.19 | George | bluetooth phone as webcam |
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| 09:43.55 | George | THE BASTARDS POOLED ME |
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| 10:24.04 | AndrewBlack | Bit quiet round here? |
| 10:36.21 | TimMagic | i know |
| 10:36.36 | TimMagic | everyones out celebrating the new year :-s |
| 11:00.07 | AndrewBlack | But that 's tomorrow |
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| 12:00.23 | wethrin | hello |
| 12:00.45 | George | hi wethrin |
| 12:00.58 | wethrin | pooled you? |
| 12:01.00 | George | yes |
| 12:01.05 | wethrin | ...? |
| 12:01.08 | wethrin | what's that mean? |
| 12:01.16 | George | wethrin: it means they don't want me but another college may |
| 12:01.25 | George | or they do want me but don't have enough space |
| 12:01.32 | wethrin | Ahh. So all is not bad |
| 12:01.32 | George | or are just trying to piss me off by making me wait another month |
| 12:01.58 | George | apparently I can't have been rejected |
| 12:02.12 | wethrin | which is good |
| 12:02.28 | George | no, really |
| 12:02.34 | George | they weren't ALLOWED to reject me |
| 12:02.40 | wethrin | no? |
| 12:02.50 | George | the worst they could have done was pool me |
| 12:02.52 | George | which is what they did |
| 12:03.15 | George | wethrin: "All applicants in this round (except those for Medicine) who are not offered places by their preference Colleges but have attained 8A*s or more at GCSE and an average of 90% or more in their best three/most relevant (i.e. where the subject at a particular College has subject preferences at A/AS level) three AS Level subjects MUST be pooled." |
| 12:03.40 | wethrin | And you've got > 90%? |
| 12:03.42 | George | yes |
| 12:03.54 | George | maths I got 549/600 |
| 12:03.57 | George | stats I got 293/300 |
| 12:04.01 | George | phys I got 277/300 |
| 12:04.04 | George | anyway, must dash |
| 12:04.05 | George | speak later |
| 12:04.05 | wethrin | What an odd system |
| 12:04.09 | wethrin | bye! |
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| 13:57.33 | George | wethrin: it's actually quite good |
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| 14:54.52 | floo | bonjour mes amis |
| 15:41.05 | wethrin | George: Well, the Oxford system gave you 2nd and 3rd colleges; it was then up to the primary college to accept you outright, reject you outright, or pass you on to the other colleges |
| 15:41.32 | wethrin | In which case, the other college could accept you, or recommend that your primary college accept you |
| 15:41.50 | George | oh well |
| 15:41.51 | George | anyway. |
| 15:41.55 | George | I don't want to think about it anymore |
| 15:42.02 | George | at least I can now forget about how badly my interview went |
| 15:42.04 | George | that's over now |
| 15:42.17 | George | now I'm on the last lap |
| 15:42.32 | wethrin | Still, best of luck |
| 15:42.36 | George | thanks |
| 15:42.47 | wethrin | thanks :-) |
| 15:42.50 | George | :) |
| 15:43.04 | George | fatso |
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| 15:56.59 | George | AngelChild: will you do me a favour? |
| 16:01.21 | wethrin | hi AngelChild |
| 16:01.34 | George | wethrin: shush, I'm trying to get her to bomb cambridge |
| 16:02.09 | wethrin | Make her come to a pub first. Even you've managed to come out to the pub :) |
| 16:02.21 | George | wethrin: dude, I go to the pub every LWCE |
| 16:03.17 | wethrin | Pff. LWCE sucks. |
| 16:03.31 | George | wethrin: yeah, so do you |
| 16:04.13 | wethrin | eh |
| 16:04.43 | George | wethrin: we all know what you did behind the bikeshed at RGS High Wycombe |
| 16:05.29 | George | wethrin: where RGS stands for "Really Gay School" |
| 16:05.30 | George | :) |
| 16:06.23 | George | wethrin: we love you really |
| 16:09.07 | George | ok, that's a lie, we hate your guts |
| 16:14.48 | wethrin | Pff |
| 16:19.46 | AngelChild | sorry, busy writing Java |
| 16:19.56 | George | oh my GOD you suck |
| 16:21.16 | wethrin | I'm sorry |
| 16:21.37 | George | hehe |
| 16:21.51 | wethrin | Could be worse. Could be C++ |
| 16:21.56 | George | fucker |
| 16:22.17 | wethrin | C++ is generally hated amongst the CS community |
| 16:22.27 | George | bjarne likes it doesn't it? |
| 16:22.32 | wethrin | He's wrong |
| 16:22.47 | George | and I'm right |
| 16:22.48 | George | so what |
| 16:23.01 | wethrin | No, C++ is just horrid, bad and wrong |
| 16:23.13 | wethrin | And many people say that |
| 16:23.29 | George | yes, but many people think you're clever |
| 16:24.07 | wethrin | indeed |
| 16:24.11 | George | and you're not. |
| 16:24.31 | wethrin | Number of Oxbridge acceptance for wethrin - 1. Number for George...... |
| 16:24.51 | George | you put a space in there |
| 16:24.57 | George | that should be "-1" not "- 1" |
| 16:25.19 | George | besides |
| 16:25.27 | George | it's not my fault I was scared shitless of the interviewer |
| 16:25.35 | wethrin | Eh. So I'll see you in Durham :) |
| 16:25.41 | George | fuck you |
| 16:28.08 | wethrin | C++ really isn't that good. Even if KDE was written in it |
| 16:28.36 | AngelChild | for most applications you don't need that level of memory management |
| 16:28.51 | wethrin | AngelChild: What level? |
| 16:30.02 | AngelChild | well, unless you're writing a very carefully optimised system that's very well defined, you generally don't need to write as much code to deal with the allocation of individual blocks, and then deallocation of them |
| 16:30.25 | wethrin | malloc() and free() :) |
| 16:30.26 | AngelChild | I can't really express it very well, but the upshot is that it means more lines of code need to be written, which means more bugs |
| 16:30.43 | AngelChild | yeah but you still need to explicitly call free :) |
| 16:30.49 | wethrin | Or, ideally, just let the computer do the management automatically |
| 16:30.54 | wethrin | Garbage Colection++ |
| 16:31.02 | AngelChild | that's what I Was trying to say but didn't quite get round to it |
| 16:33.14 | George | wethrin: fine then. i'll learn perl |
| 16:37.24 | AngelChild | s/perl/python/ |
| 16:37.31 | AngelChild | now that's irony xD |
| 16:44.35 | pdr | happy new year everyone!! |
| 16:49.13 | wethrin | happy new year, pdr! |
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| 18:00.07 | wethrin | Happy New Year all! |
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| 18:07.05 | Leeds | it's been 2006 in Hong Kong for over 2 hours already! |
| 18:30.21 | George | Leeds: hehe |
| 18:34.34 | gregj | :] |
| 18:39.21 | George | Leeds: which ipaq did/do you have? |
| 18:41.17 | Leeds | 35xx and 3870 |
| 18:41.57 | George | Leeds: what's the 3870 like? |
| 18:41.57 | George | Leeds: I'm thinking of getting one |
| 18:42.04 | Leeds | sorry, it's a 3630 |
| 18:42.12 | George | what is? |
| 18:42.13 | Leeds | want one with a knackered screen? |
| 18:42.17 | Leeds | the older one |
| 18:42.21 | George | heh |
| 18:42.26 | George | define knackered screen |
| 18:43.09 | Leeds | I have two sitting in front of me - both with knackered touchscreens - the accuracy in the middle of the screen is shit - one is a 3630, one is a 3870 |
| 18:43.19 | George | willing to part with the 3870? |
| 18:43.29 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:43.36 | George | accessories? |
| 18:43.51 | Leeds | sleeves, power, cradle, CF wifi, MMC... |
| 18:44.03 | Leeds | willing to make me an offer? |
| 18:44.04 | George | want to part with those? |
| 18:44.13 | George | 20 quid for the lot? |
| 18:44.14 | George | heh |
| 18:44.26 | Leeds | let me put it this way - none of it is coming to HK with me... |
| 18:44.45 | Leeds | so it's going in the bin, into storage, or to a good home |
| 18:45.24 | George | heh |
| 18:45.37 | George | I could do with CF wifi, sleeves and definitely power |
| 18:45.49 | Leeds | willing to make a slightly less piss-taking offer? |
| 18:45.54 | George | hehe |
| 18:46.07 | George | well, I'm going to buy an H3870 anyway |
| 18:46.16 | George | so I don't see the point in buying a busted one off you |
| 18:46.50 | George | anyway, I'm the king of making ridiculously low offers :P |
| 18:47.09 | Leeds | depends on what you want it for... keep talking |
| 18:47.21 | George | ? |
| 18:47.39 | Leeds | why would you want a 3870? |
| 18:47.49 | George | it's the oldest iPaq that has bluetooth built in |
| 18:47.52 | George | and can run Linux |
| 18:48.20 | George | and my zaurus is knackered at the moment |
| 18:48.30 | George | although nowhere near as knackered as your ipaq, it seems |
| 18:48.46 | Leeds | "Get this into your sweet head, there ain't nothing in the woodshed, 'cept maybe some wood" |
| 18:49.00 | Leeds | would you want it as an active PDA? |
| 18:49.04 | George | yes |
| 18:49.17 | Leeds | opie? |
| 18:49.20 | George | yes |
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| 19:01.20 | elle | hello |
| 19:01.37 | Leeds | evening |
| 19:01.49 | elle | hi Leeds, i live in Putney |
| 19:02.03 | Leeds | great! I live in Hong Kong... |
| 19:02.16 | elle | is this a london user group? |
| 19:02.33 | Leeds | yes :-) |
| 19:02.35 | elle | do you know anything about Opera? |
| 19:03.12 | George | Leeds: do the H36xx and H38xx have the same connectors on the bottom? |
| 19:03.17 | George | ie - for keyboards and other rubbish |
| 19:03.18 | Leeds | it's a browser... it's norwegian... it uses qt... there used to be two versions, one pay-for, one ad-supported, but they are now 100% google-supported... got a more specific question? :-) |
| 19:03.21 | Leeds | George: no |
| 19:03.33 | George | bollocks |
| 19:03.38 | George | I have an H36xx keyboard here |
| 19:03.39 | elle | no they are all free now :) |
| 19:03.55 | Leeds | "they are now 100% google-supported" |
| 19:04.02 | elle | yes |
| 19:04.22 | Leeds | they also have multiple mobile versions, including a small j2me one - but they don't have a PalmOS-specific one, which I'd happily pay for |
| 19:04.51 | Leeds | they are credited with inventing - or at least popularising - the tabbed browsing paradign... |
| 19:04.56 | elle | lol i need some help though i want to over-ride the font it uses on some pages |
| 19:05.18 | Leeds | ah, a real question I can't really help with |
| 19:05.28 | elle | :D |
| 19:05.31 | Leeds | let me load it up... |
| 19:05.53 | Leeds | wow, the last time I used it I seem to have been in Sri Lanka |
| 19:06.01 | elle | do you come to Lonodn and meet up with all the others? |
| 19:06.20 | Leeds | incidentally, do you really need to know this 5 hours before the new year? shouldn't you be out getting drunk, caught in tube strikes, etc? :-) |
| 19:06.47 | Leeds | I lived in London until early this year, and I was involved with gllug for years, so I still hang out here... |
| 19:06.55 | elle | i'm not sure if i'm going out yet, i didn't last year and really liked it |
| 19:07.11 | Leeds | I'm just going to a friend's place |
| 19:07.21 | elle | what time is it? |
| 19:07.35 | elle | where you are |
| 19:07.51 | Leeds | 1907 - I'm in Hendon - no time difference between here and Putney :-) |
| 19:08.08 | elle | oh, that was quick |
| 19:08.27 | Leeds | I'm back in the UK for the hols - it's past 3am in Hong Kong |
| 19:08.39 | elle | i've been to Leeds there's lots of great places to go |
| 19:08.51 | elle | i thought it would be late there |
| 19:09.19 | elle | are you slow at typing? you seem about the same speed as me, have you been drinking |
| 19:09.32 | elle | i'm slow at typing |
| 19:09.40 | Leeds | nope, I'm on saturated dial-up, and - nothing personal - I'm not giving you 100% of my attention |
| 19:10.01 | elle | no problem |
| 19:10.24 | Leeds | I'm really not used to dial-up speeds, so I tend to end up saturating it all the time |
| 19:10.34 | George | Leeds: hehe |
| 19:10.43 | elle | if you're busy i might go and find a place i can get help, should i come back? when's a good time? |
| 19:10.53 | Leeds | nah, hang out... |
| 19:10.59 | elle | OK |
| 19:11.14 | George | Leeds: if I were to buy an H3870 with a German ROM flashed on it, could I flash the english ROM update from HP's site and effectively change the ROM to an english version? |
| 19:11.16 | Leeds | now, I've got opera 8.0.2 in front of me... what are you having trouble with |
| 19:11.43 | Leeds | George: I'm not sure - ask in #hh.org some time other than New Year's Eve |
| 19:11.56 | Leeds | anyway, assuming you're not going to run Windows, it doesn't matter |
| 19:12.25 | George | it would be nice to at least have the option of running windows |
| 19:12.32 | Leeds | no it wouldn't |
| 19:12.36 | George | why? |
| 19:12.41 | elle | ok, say i go to http://ubuntuforums.org/ i don't like the font it uses, i can change it but it goes back to the font i don't like when it refreshes. i think it might be css but i don't know ??? |
| 19:13.16 | Leeds | oh, ubuntu? don't let slayerxp hear you saying that |
| 19:13.30 | elle | lol i like it |
| 19:14.00 | elle | anyway, i didn't say i use ubuntu but i do |
| 19:14.25 | Leeds | it's implied - in the same context, I might use slackware.com as an example :-) |
| 19:14.34 | George | or forums.gentoo.org :P |
| 19:14.58 | Leeds | ugh, opera |
| 19:15.14 | Leeds | I've never liked this interface - even when we were using it at work to test stuff |
| 19:15.25 | George | Leeds: opera is google funded now? |
| 19:15.46 | elle | the get about 10 million a year from google |
| 19:15.47 | Leeds | George: effectively - they fund the browser through search commissions |
| 19:15.56 | George | hrmm |
| 19:15.57 | Leeds | same as the mozilla corp |
| 19:16.02 | elle | yep |
| 19:16.11 | Leeds | who make a *fortune* from that little box at the top right of the window |
| 19:16.29 | Leeds | elle: okay, I have that page up... how do *you* change the font? |
| 19:16.30 | elle | i think i might make a browser |
| 19:16.32 | George | Leeds: which box? |
| 19:16.43 | Leeds | George: the search box |
| 19:16.48 | George | Leeds: ah |
| 19:16.53 | elle | oh, i installed something called the web developer toolbar |
| 19:17.02 | Leeds | yes, it's very helpful |
| 19:17.14 | Leeds | what, web developer toolbar for opera??? |
| 19:17.28 | elle | one sec |
| 19:17.54 | elle | http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar |
| 19:18.20 | Leeds | ... loading ... |
| 19:18.38 | elle | i got these cool buttons to which use javascript http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PowerButtons |
| 19:18.51 | George | haha |
| 19:18.52 | elle | http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PowerButtons |
| 19:19.17 | Leeds | hmm... didn't know Opera did that sort of thing |
| 19:19.22 | elle | are you having problems with your dialup? |
| 19:19.29 | elle | it's great |
| 19:19.30 | Leeds | nope - but I was downloading a podcast with it |
| 19:19.37 | elle | oh |
| 19:19.37 | Leeds | nah, Opera sucks... anyway... |
| 19:19.44 | elle | i love podcasts |
| 19:21.03 | elle | look at the butons called Enhanced Rewind and Fast Forward from http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PowerButtons if you go to a link like this /001.html you can click a button to go to /002.html |
| 19:21.25 | Leeds | anyway, I would guess that what you're doing with the web developer toolbar is temporarily changing the style used to display that page, and it's not meant to be persistent - it's mean so, as a developer, you can see what your page would look like with a different style |
| 19:21.54 | elle | should i try css? or maybe userjs? |
| 19:22.15 | Leeds | do you want to change the font on that (those) specific page(s) or all pages? |
| 19:23.19 | elle | that page and afew others all vBulletin boards are a problem |
| 19:24.21 | elle | some podcasts http://tllts.info/ there's the LinuxQuestions.org Podcast too and lug radio |
| 19:24.36 | Leeds | in which case I probably can't help you - my answer on firefox would be to hack up a greasemonkey script, using platypus - but that's not going to help you |
| 19:24.49 | Leeds | I've recently started listening to the lugradio one |
| 19:25.11 | elle | i think that might be similar ro user.css so i'll have a look at that |
| 19:25.28 | elle | me too |
| 19:26.06 | elle | there's "Linux Australia Update" podcast too |
| 19:26.13 | Leeds | nah, user.css is something a bit different |
| 19:26.18 | elle | oh |
| 19:26.28 | Leeds | (at least, I guess from the name that it is) |
| 19:26.42 | elle | is it similar to userjs? |
| 19:26.49 | Leeds | user.css sounds to me like a way to add arbitrary style into the cascade |
| 19:27.03 | Leeds | greasemonkey is a way to run arbitrary javascript on a page as it loads |
| 19:27.12 | Leeds | userjs sounds more like it |
| 19:27.16 | elle | ok maybe userjs then |
| 19:27.20 | elle | :) |
| 19:27.53 | elle | have you heard of twat radio? |
| 19:28.02 | Leeds | as a very simple example, I have a greasemonkey script which I use on a photo gallery site to show me the 'large' size photos inline, rather than showing a thumbnail which I can then click on to pop-up the full-sized image |
| 19:28.09 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:28.11 | elle | http://twatech.org/ |
| 19:28.20 | Leeds | although I listen to twit instead |
| 19:28.33 | elle | yap, i listen to twit too |
| 19:29.01 | elle | i can lookup userjs at the opera wiki |
| 19:29.02 | Leeds | the signal? Israelisms? :-) |
| 19:29.22 | Leeds | the main question would be if userjs can be triggered per-page or if it's global |
| 19:29.57 | elle | don't know i just looked up the signal |
| 19:30.37 | Leeds | ah, yes - it seems to be the same thing as greasemonkey, to the extent of being compatible with greasmonkey scripts :-) |
| 19:31.05 | elle | so that's what i should look into? |
| 19:33.28 | Leeds | well, I'd look into userjs... I've only used greasemonkey either by downloading existing scripts or using platypus, which gives a semi-drag'n'drop method for modifying pages |
| 19:34.28 | Leeds | http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/userjs.html obviously |
| 19:34.44 | elle | listening to Israelisms now - Charlie and Carol. i'll have a look at userjs and your link :) |
| 19:35.30 | Leeds | israelisms is obviously of slightly niche interest |
| 19:37.00 | elle | how about open go_open video cast - http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/ for for the direct downloads http://ia300131.us.archive.org/1/items/go_open_season_1/ |
| 19:37.31 | elle | not open go_open but just go open |
| 19:38.40 | Leeds | ugh... a) I don't do videocasts and b) that sounds too much - I don't *want* people promoting open source at me - I chose free software 10 years ago |
| 19:38.52 | elle | you know you don't have to download mp3's you can just put the url straight into your player |
| 19:39.08 | elle | i love both |
| 19:39.20 | Leeds | I listen on my phone - and at the moment I can't even download at real-time |
| 19:39.39 | elle | oh, sorry |
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| 19:39.52 | Leeds | thanks :-) |
| 19:39.55 | Leeds | evening zx80user |
| 19:39.59 | zx80user | hello |
| 19:40.08 | elle | hello |
| 19:40.25 | George | Leeds: how much would you sell just the CF sleeve and wifi card for? |
| 19:40.34 | Leeds | George: 50 quid |
| 19:40.45 | Leeds | maybe 30... |
| 19:40.47 | George | just the CF sleeve? |
| 19:41.06 | AngelChild | * Leeds is tempted to clear the channel before going out this evening - IRC is *not* the right place to be on New Year's Eve <-- screw you |
| 19:41.15 | elle | i'm going to lookup userjs now i want to fix it tonight, have a great evening - Happy New Year |
| 19:41.25 | Leeds | elle: seeya around - happy new year |
| 19:41.26 | AngelChild | none of my friends invited me to anything, and no-one let me tag along either |
| 19:41.31 | George | AngelChild: I'm sure he'd love to |
| 19:41.34 | AngelChild | happy new year everyone |
| 19:41.37 | elle | thanks for the help :) |
| 19:42.24 | Leeds | zx80user: if you have children enough that they stop you carousing, they're likely to be something more important to be doing |
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| 19:43.43 | zx80user | Leeds mine are of an age sufficient to resent being watched over every minute by their father and too young to be left to murder one another/burn the house down on New Year's Eve |
| 19:44.41 | AngelChild | I'm just raging against the machine :) |
| 19:44.45 | AngelChild | in a very quiet, gentle fashion |
| 19:44.53 | George | Leeds: how much for just the CF sleeve then? |
| 19:44.58 | AngelChild | more like poking the machine a little |
| 19:45.11 | Leeds | it's possible I have more of a life than I'd credit - but I'd think I could always find at least one person to hang out with tonight |
| 19:45.20 | George | Leeds: hang out with me! |
| 19:45.24 | George | I'll be on IRC all night |
| 19:45.32 | Leeds | George: you're not going out anywhere? |
| 19:45.41 | George | helllll no. |
| 19:46.09 | Leeds | George: speaking as a sad git who regrets it - I really hope you get over yourself sooner rather than later |
| 19:46.20 | George | get over myself? |
| 19:46.24 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:47.32 | zx80user | who needs to go out when there is bzFlag anyway ? :) |
| 19:47.44 | Leeds | bzflag is better than irc |
| 19:47.51 | Leeds | ibot bzflag |
| 19:47.53 | ibot | hmm... bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 19:47.53 | AngelChild | Leeds: most of the people who I'd hang out with live in other parts of the country |
| 19:48.04 | Leeds | AngelChild: then so should you be |
| 19:48.23 | AngelChild | Leeds: it's one strategy |
| 19:48.28 | AngelChild | but my parents have fillet steak |
| 19:48.33 | Leeds | ibot timriker |
| 19:48.34 | ibot | rumour has it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 19:48.45 | AngelChild | it's not like I'd have much fun in other parts of the country anyway |
| 19:48.50 | Leeds | AngelChild: friends are far more important than dead cows |
| 19:49.17 | AngelChild | Leeds: I find it difficult to relate to people through a medium that isn't electronic |
| 19:49.26 | AngelChild | it's a _really_ big problem |
| 19:49.32 | Leeds | yes, it is |
| 19:49.38 | AngelChild | and the only way i can solve it is to go be social |
| 19:49.53 | AngelChild | and practise a lot |
| 19:50.24 | Leeds | doesn't have to be lots of people - but it should be more than just you and a screen |
| 19:50.45 | George | Leeds: my parents are at home. |
| 19:50.59 | Leeds | they don't count once you're older than about 12 |
| 19:51.13 | George | mental age or physical age? |
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| 19:56.40 | George | that was a quick flight |
| 19:56.49 | Leeds | bloody bouncy network |
| 20:02.20 | Leeds | anyway, my serious advice from someone who is feeling old this new year: don't be sitting by yourself in front of a screen at midnight - find at least one other person - if you want to sit in front of a screen with them, that's fine, but at least be in a room with a friend |
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| 20:26.05 | Leeds | time to go out - Happy New Year all |
| 20:48.59 | andrew | q |
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| 21:28.00 | George | andrew: glad to see you're using irssi |
| 21:39.10 | AngelChild | hrm |
| 21:39.39 | AngelChild | hi to you too |
| 21:39.42 | Erwin | Still one more course... and another bottle of wine left. argh. |
| 21:39.50 | AngelChild | course? |
| 21:40.34 | Erwin | Dessert -- pannacotta |
| 21:41.46 | George | sausages |
| 21:42.00 | AngelChild | ah |
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