irclog2html for #gllug on 20060107

`01:17.31`	`*** join/#gllug new2unix (n=unixadmi@host-87-74-42-253.bulldogdsl.com)`
`01:31.49`	`Cope`	`evening(ish)`
`01:37.16`	`George`	`IT'S MORNING`
`01:37.21`	`Kitty`	`evening`
`01:37.23`	`Kitty`	`morning`
`01:37.25`	`Kitty`	`hi`
`01:39.58`	`Cope`	`hello Kitty`
`01:40.36`	`George`	`haha`
`01:40.39`	`George`	`good joke`
`01:52.34`	`Cope`	`nn`
`01:53.31`	`George`	`wimp`
`03:44.56`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 28 usd to gbp`
`03:45.31`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 25 usd to gbp`
`03:50.32`	`Leeds`	`morning rhowe`
`03:52.37`	`George`	`moooo`
`03:55.10`	`Leeds`	`George: go to sleep!`
`03:56.26`	`George`	`ooobleboobleflooblewooble`
`03:57.23`	`rhowe`	`mornin'`
`03:59.56`	`Leeds`	`why are people on such strange timezones?`
`04:00.13`	`rhowe`	`I slept earlier`
`04:00.23`	`rhowe`	`Now I can't sleep :/`
`04:01.20`	`Leeds`	`that's dangerous`
`04:02.55`	`rhowe`	`Well, I'm sure I'll sleep eventually`
`04:03.55`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 20 gbp to hkd`
`04:07.29`	`Leeds`	`okay, I give up - time to make my aircon do heating... it's cold`
`04:08.01`	`George`	`wurble`
`04:08.28`	`Leeds`	`16 degrees in here!`
`04:08.39`	`George`	`flurble`
`04:10.53`	`Leeds`	`George: waiting up for the postman?`
`04:10.59`	`George`	`hell no`
`04:12.16`	`George`	`house`
`04:13.26`	`Leeds`	`night`
`04:14.08`	`rhowe`	`Doubt I ever will, though.. I still haven't seen the first series of 24 :P`
`04:15.27`	`Leeds`	`me neither - and I've got it on DVD here!`
`04:16.16`	`rhowe`	`heh`
`04:16.23`	`rhowe`	`I have a CD set`
`04:16.32`	`rhowe`	`Missing the last episode for some reason`
`04:17.15`	`Leeds`	`the butler did it!`
`04:17.28`	`rhowe`	`sleep()`
`04:17.43`	`rhowe`	`or should that be shedule()`
`04:17.50`	`rhowe`	`whatever, I'm gone :)`
`04:41.02`	`George`	`hey`
`04:41.03`	`George`	`lol`
`05:10.35`	`Kitty`	`evening`
`05:14.40`	`George`	`hrmm`
`05:14.42`	`George`	`asda at 5am`
`05:14.46`	`George`	`LIAR`
`05:26.02`	`rhowe`	`morning`
`05:40.02`	`Leeds`	`ah, 24hour supermarkets`
`05:43.37`	`Leeds`	`shower time`
`07:01.41`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 22.5 gbp to usd`
`07:01.53`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 50 gbp to usd`
`07:04.58`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 90 gbp to usd`
`08:17.38`	`Leeds`	`result`
`09:40.55`	`murb`	`oh, is that with the reverse engineered driver?`
`09:41.51`	`Cope`	`morning`
`09:42.32`	`murb`	`anyone fosdeming this year? (question not directed at leeds)`
`09:46.43`	`Cope`	`hopefully`
`10:15.56`	`*** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc)`
`10:30.18`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`10:31.03`	`z00dax`	`$TZ Greetings`
`10:46.39`	`morsing`	`z00dax!`
`10:49.22`	`Cope`	`z00dax: how was se10?`
`11:00.12`	`Leeds`	`murb: well, the free driver, yes`
`11:08.10`	`Leeds`	`now I need to work out why it's so slow`
`11:29.46`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`11:32.44`	`rhowe`	`murb: Yes`
`11:36.41`	`morsing`	`rhowe!`
`11:36.55`	`rhowe`	`'morning`
`11:37.13`	`rhowe`	`Is it 11:37 where you are?`
`11:45.12`	`morsing`	`It's snowing here`
`11:46.09`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Is it snowing in HK?`
`11:47.26`	`morsing`	`Is freenode UK based?`
`11:50.01`	`morsing`	`ibot?`
`11:54.44`	`murb`	`morsing: i think the people running the uk freennodes went over to oftc`
`11:55.39`	`morsing`	`murb: I was just wondering if people using it are generally UK based or not? Like on #aix?`
`11:56.00`	`murb`	`morsing: probably mostly 'merkin.`
`11:57.04`	`morsing`	`Hmm...`
`11:57.15`	`murb`	`morsing: IRCnet certainlly used to be mainly european`
`11:57.18`	`murb`	`after the EFnet split.`
`11:58.04`	`*** join/#gllug mikejw (n=mikejw@84-51-159-23.michae611.adsl.metronet.co.uk)`
`11:58.34`	`morsing`	`mikejw!`
`11:59.51`	`mikejw`	`yo!`
`11:59.52`	`mikejw`	`:)`
`12:00.00`	`mikejw`	`happy new year folk`
`12:00.31`	`morsing`	`Happy new year`
`12:00.47`	`morsing`	`When is the next Gllug event`
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`12:58.48`	`z00dax`	`Cope, very nice.`
`12:59.34`	`z00dax`	`but cost of living in that area might be a bit over the top`
`14:00.43`	`morsing`	`I think someone has broken in to my garage...`
`14:01.41`	`z00dax`	`morsing, go get em`
`14:02.35`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Long gone. It must have happened on Wednesday`
`14:02.57`	`morsing`	`Took a car battery charger and 60 liters of petrol from the tank`
`14:03.04`	`morsing`	`Annoying`
`14:03.28`	`morsing`	`Is there any point in reporting it?`
`14:03.54`	`z00dax`	`I'd report it`
`14:04.14`	`z00dax`	`if for no other reason, then just to document the event - just in case its required later`
`14:04.39`	`morsing`	`Ok - funny think is that there's absolutely no sign of forced entry`
`14:42.15`	`murb`	`stop uploading.`
`14:42.40`	`George`	`no`
`14:42.46`	`George`	`it's my internal network`
`14:42.59`	`George`	`i run ping to another machine`
`14:43.02`	`George`	`pings freezes`
`14:43.12`	`George`	`I get a response after about 10 seconds`
`14:43.16`	`George`	`same for every packet`
`14:43.20`	`George`	`same on two different computers`
`14:43.42`	`George`	`ssh to another box takes ages to log in`
`14:43.46`	`George`	`after that, it seems fine`
`14:44.39`	`George`	`seems to have only started this morning`
`14:45.44`	`George`	`looks like a DNS issue`
`14:45.53`	`George`	`if I add the host I'm trying to ping to /etc/hosts`
`14:45.55`	`George`	`it all goes fine`
`15:01.41`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
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`15:03.29`	`George_`	`morsing: "check it"?`
`16:09.54`	`morsing`	`Mmm... sushi`
`16:24.08`	`rhowe`	`Mmm... mango`
`16:25.26`	`Leeds`	`morning all`
`16:25.48`	`Leeds`	`morsing: I had sushi (well, sashimi) for dinner`
`16:26.07`	`rhowe`	`Can FreeBSD do a PXE boot install?`
`16:26.54`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: I could burn you a Cd and send it if you want?`
`16:30.41`	`Leeds`	`and Charlie fell on his sword, in the end`
`16:36.14`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: If it was really a problem, I'd dissect my half-assembled desktop and move the CD writer`
`16:36.14`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Or I'd just burn it on the Windows box downstairs`
`16:36.17`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Still, I would've thought PXE should be at least possible..`
`16:37.24`	`Leeds`	`you should be able to netboot an alpha, one way or another`
`16:40.33`	`Leeds`	`morsing: for the record, I don't believe it ever snows in HK... we are tropical, you know...`
`16:42.21`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: The alpha will netboot, but I don't see anything in the handbook about the installer being PXE bootable`
`16:42.32`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: I'm sure it's hackable, but in that case, I'd rather just burn a minimal CD`
`16:42.54`	`rhowe`	`well, not PXE`
`16:43.03`	`rhowe`	`PXE's an x86 thing, but the alpha equivalent`
`16:43.52`	`Leeds`	`http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/yellowpages.asp`
`16:44.07`	`morsing`	`Leeds: I made it myself :-)`
`16:45.17`	`Leeds`	`morsing: the snow? was it yellow?`
`16:45.58`	`morsing`	`Leeds: No, the sushi. Who's Charlie?`
`16:46.19`	`stephen`	`Charles Kennedy, I assume`
`16:47.16`	`Leeds`	`right`
`16:48.29`	`Leeds`	`what do people suggest for CD ripping?`
`16:49.22`	`Leeds`	`other than a manual combination of cdparanoia and oggenc/lame`
`16:49.40`	`mikejw`	`grip?`
`16:50.34`	`Leeds`	`ugh, gnome...`
`16:51.15`	`Kitty`	`grip`
`16:51.21`	`Leeds`	`ugh, gnome...`
`16:51.36`	`Kitty`	`hehe`
`16:51.52`	`Leeds`	`ripping by hand it is!`
`16:52.28`	`mikejw`	`:S`
`16:55.58`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, what app do you use to play the audio ?`
`16:56.15`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: mplayer on a computer, TCPMP on my Treo`
`16:56.39`	`z00dax`	`iirc, mplayer has rip + encode frontend'ability`
`16:56.54`	`Leeds`	`mencode doesn't like audio-only stuff`
`16:57.08`	`z00dax`	`o!`
`16:57.44`	`Leeds`	`the m does/did stand for movie, after all`
`16:59.39`	`morsing`	`Leeds: ripit seems to work if you hack it a bit`
`17:00.16`	`Leeds`	`can't be bothered to hack - it's 1am and I need to try to approach a normal sleeping pattern`
`17:01.04`	`z00dax`	`(normal sleeping pattern )++`
`17:01.40`	`mikejw`	`Leeds: try grip, it worked a charm for me on slackware`
`17:02.02`	`Leeds`	`plus, I'm expecting to go to a sociable and highly deserved Sunday roast lunch (at which I will be avoiding meat) tomorrow`
`17:02.43`	`Leeds`	`frankly, ripping is slow enough that doing it manually is no problem - I'm blocking on the CD drive almost all the time`
`17:03.40`	`mikejw`	`good point`
`17:04.25`	`George`	`wethrin: ping`
`17:05.09`	`Leeds`	`also, this particular CD doesn't technically have ascending integers for track numbers...`
`17:10.00`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: grip is GTK only, AFAIK`
`17:10.07`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: So you shouldn't need all the Gnome baggage`
`17:10.30`	`Leeds`	`it claims to need gnome... and libghttp`
`17:11.31`	`rhowe`	`Really? It might optionally require the gnome libraries...`
`17:11.37`	`Leeds`	`anyway, I'm most of the way though - I want to get it ripped, then put Life of Brian on and go to sleep :-)`
`17:11.43`	`rhowe`	`I think it has a tray icon`
`17:11.52`	`rhowe`	`ah, no.. seems I'm living in the past`
`17:11.57`	`rhowe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:12.05`	`rhowe`	`Yes, that single Gnome library!`
`17:12.33`	`Leeds`	`and again, how well is it going to deal with non-integer track numbers?`
`17:12.37`	`rhowe`	`And, in other news, mum just offered me an interest-free loan to pay off my overdraft and fill my ISA allocation for the year`
`17:13.25`	`rhowe`	`So, next month, I should be able to reduce my overdraft limit to, er, about 0`
`17:13.34`	`Leeds`	`very nice of her`
`17:13.38`	`rhowe`	`(although I might keep it at £100 just-in-case`
`17:13.45`	`rhowe`	`Indeed`
`17:13.53`	`rhowe`	`Hurrah for mothers`
`17:14.19`	`rhowe`	`Or rather, hurrah for brothers conning mothers out of money and making them feel guilty about not giving an equal amount to siblings`
`17:14.27`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`17:14.35`	`Leeds`	`are you older or younger?`
`17:14.38`	`rhowe`	`Older`
`17:14.59`	`rhowe`	`My brother just got a car, part-exchanging his somewhat problematic Citroen Saxo`
`17:15.13`	`rhowe`	`Now he has a Seat Ibiza and he'll probably end up writing it off and killing himself in it`
`17:15.18`	`rhowe`	`(boy racer)`
`17:15.55`	`Leeds`	`see, I try that sort of thing - there's no way my sister is paying her own ticket to Sydney - but I'm older and have actually been working properly (as in for a proper wage, not working hard) for far far longer than either of my sisters`
`17:16.32`	`rhowe`	`My brother earns a similar amount to me working nights at Tesco`
`17:16.41`	`rhowe`	`Well, perhaps 20% less, or so`
`17:16.51`	`rhowe`	`But that's not in London`
`17:17.03`	`rhowe`	`so if you say there's a 10% London living allowance or something, it's pretty similar`
`17:17.44`	`rhowe`	`hm, sounds like the washing machine might just have hit a lull`
`17:22.47`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Your shirt is being washed`
`17:27.03`	`Leeds`	`"what are you doing creeping around a cow shed at 2 in the morning - that doesn't sound very wise to me"`
`17:27.18`	`rhowe`	`Maybe (s)he's a cow?`
`17:27.20`	`Leeds`	`"We must pay homage to him!" "Homage? You're all drunk!"`
`17:28.10`	`morsing`	`Is mozrat still alive?`
`17:29.14`	`morsing`	`rhowe: You need a raise`
`17:29.38`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Indeed`
`17:29.50`	`rhowe`	`morsing: How about I become an AIX admin?`
`17:29.51`	`morsing`	`rhowe: What does your boss say?`
`17:30.03`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Sounds good (and fun)`
`17:30.04`	`rhowe`	`morsing: "Nothing I can do"`
`17:30.11`	`morsing`	`rhowe: New job...`
`17:30.20`	`George`	`sausages`
`17:30.22`	`morsing`	`Is mozrat still alive?`
`17:30.24`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Need a cow-orker?`
`17:30.40`	`morsing`	`rhowe: They'll need to replace me when I leave..`
`17:31.14`	`rhowe`	`morsing: How much of a nightmare is it?`
`17:31.39`	`morsing`	`rhowe: The job and the company is great`
`17:31.51`	`morsing`	`Some of my colleagues and my boss aren't so much`
`17:31.57`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Even when people switch the SIM card in your 'phone?`
`17:32.40`	`morsing`	`Yes. You don't know AIX anyway so they won't hire you`
`17:33.52`	`rhowe`	`indeed`
`17:35.26`	`morsing`	`rhowe: So when are you going to release your TNEF decoder for Thunderbird?`
`17:37.00`	`rhowe`	`morsing: heh, right after I finish the company website`
`17:40.54`	`rhowe`	`morsing: My Singaporean friend who's living in .se said she finds she's reading Danish now :P`
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`17:49.56`	`morsing`	`:-)`
`17:50.00`	`morsing`	`:-(`
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`18:00.45`	`morsing`	`Seriously, does anyone know what happened to mozrat?`
`18:01.39`	`rhowe`	`morsing: He did say something about why he couldn't make it to Vinopolis for Steve's birthday`
`18:01.47`	`rhowe`	`morsing: But I'm not sure I've heard from him since`
`18:02.32`	`z00dax`	`there was an email from him on the ML a short while back`
`18:03.04`	`z00dax`	`well, yesterday evening.... so i'd say he's alive still`
`18:16.28`	`morsing`	`z00dax: I just checked and his last mail was 6. Nov.`
`18:16.45`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Sorry, reverse sorting!`
`18:27.23`	`morsing`	`rhowe: What are you doing this weekend?`
`18:38.20`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Researching stuff for Jia`
`18:38.31`	`George`	`wethrin: OIY`
`18:38.34`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Tourism stuff in Malta, but don't know if I can be much help`
`18:39.15`	`rhowe`	`morsing: And, probably, installing FreeBSD on the alpha`
`18:41.44`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`18:43.02`	`morsing`	`Can I just ask what protocol Konqueror is trying to use when saying remote:/ ?`
`19:02.32`	`rhowe`	`no idea`
`19:02.44`	`rhowe`	`rcp? sftp? whatever it chooses?`
`19:07.10`	`wethrin`	`George: What?`
`19:07.21`	`wethrin`	`I was out buying cider in Sussex`
`19:08.28`	`George`	`sussex?`
`19:09.31`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Well, it says malformed URL so it's definately doing something stupid!`
`19:09.42`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`19:11.01`	`wethrin`	`morsing!`
`19:46.19`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Perhaps WebDAV?`
`19:46.35`	`rhowe`	`apparently you can make jacket potatoes in the microwave`
`20:06.56`	`morsing`	`Well said rhowe!`
`20:35.39`	`new2unix`	`Hi all. Does anyone know what has happened to the GLLUG wiki?`
`20:36.28`	`new2unix`	`I am after information on this years FOSDEM from a GLLUG perspective. Who's going, how, when, etc.`
`20:41.20`	`morsing`	`Leeds: It was itsbruce!`
`20:44.41`	`George`	`this is NOT HUGH LAURIE`
`20:49.26`	`morsing`	`George: No - you're painfully George`
`20:49.41`	`George`	`hi`
`20:49.45`	`morsing`	`I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM MOZRAT :_)`
`20:52.34`	`George`	`wow.`
`21:10.42`	`morsing`	`What do I need to get started with selinux?`
`21:11.16`	`George`	`there's a fantastic book called "SELinux for complete and utter retards" :)`
`21:11.37`	`morsing`	`Thanks. You're always so helpful`
`21:11.47`	`George`	`I know :)`
`21:11.49`	`morsing`	`Does it run on Solaris`
`21:11.50`	`morsing`	`?`
`21:12.21`	`George`	`I dunno`
`21:18.39`	`Cope`	`morsing: given that selinux is in the kernel, seems exceptionally improbable.`
`21:19.38`	`Cope`	`new2unix: I am planning to go, as is murb and wethrin; rhowe would be a safe bet, so would morsing`
`21:20.05`	`Cope`	`new2unix: tarragon and spudulike are likely candidates`
`21:22.50`	`morsing`	`http://www.linux.org/news/2006/01/06/0007.html`
`21:23.04`	`morsing`	`Cope: I was trying to wind up George`
`21:23.29`	`George`	`:P`
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`22:24.45`	`morsing`	`Hi Steve`
`22:46.04`	`highbury`	`hey morsing?`
`22:46.14`	`highbury`	`how goes things then`
`22:46.31`	`morsing`	`Good, sort of. You? Comning to FOSDEM?`
`23:01.39`	`*** join/#gllug ibot_ (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt)`
`23:01.39`	`*** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group - see http://gllug.org.uk and http://planet.gllug.org.uk \| Next Event: HAPPY NEW YEAR`

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