| 00:00.04 | z00dax | you need to install the core and base groups as minimum - but lots of stuff from there can go away as well... |
| 00:00.10 | highbury | to start with, then x86_64 |
| 00:00.13 | z00dax | you can get the minimum install down to like 260megs |
| 00:02.10 | z00dax | the Orc had posted a list... lets see if we can find it |
| 00:02.16 | highbury | i do the base minimal install , and remove about 29 packages |
| 00:02.53 | z00dax | http://www.owlriver.com/tips/tiny-centos/ |
| 00:03.14 | z00dax | that would work with RHEL as well, take a look |
| 00:03.32 | z00dax | 376Megs installed |
| 00:04.00 | highbury | great thanks! |
| 00:05.56 | highbury | ok time for bed! I've here for 15hrs |
| 00:06.05 | Leeds | a very pythonic joke: If it uses two-space indents, it's corporate code; if it uses four-space indents, it's open source. (If it uses tabs, I didn't write it! :-) |
| 00:06.57 | z00dax | highbury, take it easy. happy kickstarting |
| 00:07.16 | z00dax | :) |
| 00:11.59 | highbury | nn |
| 00:41.15 | Leeds | can we fix it? |
| 00:46.11 | George | tabs > spaces |
| 00:47.59 | wethrin | No. Spaces > tabs |
| 00:49.13 | George | wethrin: shut up lesser mortal |
| 00:49.21 | George | you went to oxford. |
| 00:49.25 | George | :) |
| 00:49.34 | wethrin | Yes. We're better than tabs :-P |
| 00:49.43 | George | ... |
| 00:49.47 | George | no, tabs > * |
| 00:49.58 | wethrin | no |
| 00:50.09 | George | anyway, I'm not a tab |
| 00:50.13 | wethrin | You will be |
| 00:50.19 | George | hrmmph |
| 00:50.26 | George | I'm not a tab |
| 00:50.36 | George | when you said "you will be" I thought of Yoda |
| 00:50.51 | George | when luke said he wasn't scared |
| 00:50.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:50.57 | George | and yoda said "you will be... you will be" |
| 00:52.01 | George | wethrin: anyway, I will kick your arse. mwahaha. |
| 00:52.14 | wethrin | You're too violent |
| 00:52.19 | George | :) |
| 00:52.23 | George | I'm not a tab |
| 00:52.24 | George | so ner |
| 00:53.28 | wethrin | You will be |
| 00:53.48 | George | lol |
| 00:53.53 | George | if I make my offer :) |
| 00:54.05 | wethrin | I'm sure you will |
| 00:54.17 | George | lol |
| 00:54.20 | George | so am I :P |
| 00:54.24 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:55.28 | wethrin | night |
| 00:55.28 | George | night |
| 00:55.28 | George | don't die horribly |
| 00:55.29 | George | :) |
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| 03:23.19 | Leeds | heh: http://techdirt.com/articles/20060110/1818234_F.shtml |
| 03:24.17 | Leeds | that's a little article pointing out that yesterday, after Apple announced the release of their Macintels, their shares closed at... $80.86 :-) |
| 07:01.07 | Leeds | argh, fortran |
| 07:16.27 | murb | Leeds: up or down from the previous? |
| 07:17.20 | Leeds | murb: it doesn't matter |
| 07:17.43 | Leeds | that's not the point of the story |
| 07:18.45 | murb | Leeds: well, i've not read it. |
| 07:21.38 | Leeds | but you read my summary? |
| 07:24.38 | Leeds | do I really have to explain the joke? |
| 07:25.05 | murb | Leeds: I don't really think it is very funny. |
| 07:25.54 | Leeds | but it is notable |
| 07:29.50 | murb | well if we used an x rather than a . or a , it would have been more so. |
| 07:32.14 | Leeds | just consider it a number of pennies then |
| 07:41.33 | Leeds | murb: incidentally, you are boughton.org.uk, right? |
| 07:41.41 | murb | Leeds: yep, why? |
| 07:42.11 | murb | have i been spamming you or? |
| 07:43.07 | Leeds | nope, just came across it last night |
| 07:58.37 | murb | Leeds: as in ns0.? |
| 08:01.31 | Leeds | yes |
| 08:03.48 | Leeds | okay, I'm ready for a mid-afternoon nap |
| 08:49.58 | Leeds | damn! |
| 08:50.09 | George | time for maths |
| 08:50.10 | George | bye |
| 08:50.35 | Leeds | bye |
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| 09:05.50 | Leeds | morsing! |
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| 09:06.06 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 09:06.09 | morsing | Cope! |
| 09:06.16 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 09:07.03 | Leeds | mikejw! |
| 09:07.05 | Leeds | Cope! |
| 09:09.37 | Leeds | according to the automated system, my "credit card application was... approved... on... January... 9th..." |
| 09:15.24 | morsing | Leeds: Congratulations! |
| 09:15.40 | Leeds | I've been working on it since October... :-) |
| 09:17.51 | murb | Leeds: frmo an .hk bank? |
| 09:18.24 | Leeds | yup |
| 09:18.52 | Leeds | just a paperwork thing... although I'm interested to know how much credit they're going to offer me... |
| 09:19.40 | Leeds | to be honest, I don't want the credit at all - I'd be perfectly happy with a Visa/Mastercard debit card, but apparently they don't exist here |
| 09:19.46 | murb | Leeds: my bank in .de that won't give me even an overdraft and charges me for account is now offering me a free credit card if i open a (for gratis) share trading account. |
| 09:21.10 | Leeds | I can walk down the street in any shopping district - as I did at lunchtime today - and pick up at least 5 flyers for "please take a card from us - we'll give you a free gift!" stalls, without going into a bank... I suspect the paperwork would be just as bad with any of them, and it just seems easier to keep all my .hk financial stuff in one place |
| 09:22.50 | morsing | Leeds: IT took me years till I managed to get a UK credit card |
| 09:23.13 | murb | morsing: uk banks don't like people whov'e not been resident forever or 3/5/10 years |
| 09:23.42 | morsing | murb: They don't like anyone... |
| 09:23.49 | morsing | And noone likes them! |
| 09:23.55 | murb | morsing: they like students. |
| 09:24.02 | Leeds | I get along reasonably well with my bank |
| 09:24.06 | murb | and young people living at home with an income. |
| 09:24.06 | morsing | murb: No - they're only pretending |
| 09:24.31 | Cope | morning |
| 09:33.11 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:43.48 | morsing | 09:33 < morsing> Check it! |
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| 09:44.53 | Leeds | boker tov SlayerXP |
| 09:45.22 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 09:45.31 | morsing | ibot slay SlayerXP |
| 09:45.33 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, SlayerXP!" apt lops off SlayerXP's head. |
| 09:45.44 | Leeds | s/boker tov/good morning |
| 09:45.57 | Leeds | s/boker tov/good morning/ |
| 09:46.09 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:46.23 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:57.39 | Cope | byker grove |
| 09:59.07 | morsing | PC? |
| 10:01.59 | Leeds | zzzzz |
| 10:04.13 | morsing | http://www.santapod.co.uk/e_easter.php |
| 10:07.35 | highbury | morning |
| 10:10.07 | Leeds | it seems that athletes foot is called Hong Kong foot in Chinese... |
| 10:10.41 | Leeds | ah, in Taiwan |
| 10:13.43 | Leeds | and the fact that I'm looking stuff like that up signifies the end of the work day has come and gone... seeya |
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| 10:27.07 | kbsingh | $TZ Greetings! |
| 10:29.35 | wethrin | GMT Greetings, kbsingh |
| 10:30.08 | kbsingh | wethrin: :) |
| 10:32.16 | Cope | $ gcc pbm.c -lthread -o pbm |
| 10:32.16 | Cope | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lthread |
| 10:32.16 | Cope | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:32.24 | Cope | what's the problem there? |
| 10:33.06 | SlayerXP | using solaris? |
| 10:34.13 | Cope | no |
| 10:34.15 | Cope | linux |
| 10:34.25 | Cope | debian even |
| 10:34.39 | SlayerXP | is -lthread even valid? |
| 10:35.24 | SlayerXP | and if you're using debian, why are you comping netpbm? :) |
| 10:35.27 | SlayerXP | compiling |
| 10:36.14 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Maybe he's a secret Gentoo user? :) |
| 10:41.06 | Cope | SlayerXP: it isn't netpbm |
| 10:41.25 | Cope | which, iirc, has something to do with graphics |
| 10:41.35 | SlayerXP | sort of, yes |
| 10:41.44 | SlayerXP | okay, so what are you compiling? |
| 10:41.47 | Cope | and I don't have root on this particular machine, so I can't apt-get things anyway... its just a small c program |
| 10:42.17 | Cope | and the comment at the top of the prog says: |
| 10:42.30 | SlayerXP | actually, you can apt things as a normal users, and redirect their install into your home area. |
| 10:42.33 | Cope | compile with: |
| 10:42.38 | SlayerXP | .deb packages are relocatable |
| 10:42.40 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.19 | SlayerXP | what happens if you ditch the -lthread? |
| 10:45.27 | Cope | errors... undefined reference to... varous things |
| 10:46.25 | Cope | pthread_create and pthread_join |
| 10:46.33 | Cope | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:54.51 | Erwin | Use the -pthread flag |
| 10:55.31 | Erwin | This is used while compiling *and* linking: while compiling it sets a define that makes some functions thread-safe; whlie linking it links to the pthread library (-lpthread) |
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| 10:58.34 | Cope | c$ gcc pbm.c -pthread -o pbm |
| 10:58.34 | Cope | /tmp/ccUIHN22.o: In function `main':pbm.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `thr_setconcurrency' |
| 10:58.37 | Cope | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:59.10 | Erwin | run with -W -Wall |
| 10:59.17 | Erwin | thr_setconcurrency is a Solaris, not Linux thing |
| 10:59.22 | Cope | hmm |
| 10:59.56 | Cope | pbm.c: In function 'main': |
| 10:59.56 | Cope | pbm.c:73: warning: implicit declaration of function 'thr_setconcurrency' |
| 10:59.56 | Cope | pbm.c:88: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 2 has type 'time_t' |
| 10:59.59 | Erwin | You can usually just comment it out. Apparently it hearkens back from the times Solaris threads were using a N:M model and so you could configure how many threads you wanted to run simultanously in your app |
| 10:59.59 | Cope | pbm.c:70: warning: unused variable 'max_number_of_threads' |
| 11:00.02 | Cope | pbm.c: At top level: |
| 11:00.04 | Cope | pbm.c:67: warning: unused parameter 'argc' |
| 11:00.07 | Cope | pbm.c:67: warning: unused parameter 'argv' |
| 11:00.10 | Cope | /tmp/ccKkjFmo.o: In function `main':pbm.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `thr_setconcurrency' |
| 11:00.13 | Cope | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:00.18 | Leeds | our survey says: one month's salary |
| 11:00.32 | Erwin | Yeah, ignorable except the thr_setconcurrency, just comment that out and you might be more or less fine. |
| 11:01.28 | Cope | great - thanks |
| 11:31.05 | morsing | Cannot su to "root" : Authentication is denied. |
| 11:43.49 | iTron | You need to know the root password. |
| 11:43.53 | iTron | ;) |
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| 12:42.04 | morsing | Good lunch? |
| 12:42.07 | morsing | eye69! |
| 12:42.48 | eye69 | morsing! |
| 12:59.08 | morsing | How are you? |
| 13:00.42 | eye69 | Unemployed |
| 13:01.02 | morsing | Again? |
| 13:01.04 | murb | since when? |
| 13:01.11 | morsing | Why can't you find work? |
| 13:01.28 | eye69 | I haven't had a proper job in quite some time. |
| 13:02.00 | morsing | :-( |
| 13:02.22 | murb | ./whereis eye69 |
| 13:02.40 | eye69 | 100km west of Stockholm |
| 13:02.57 | morsing | eye69: Why don't you move to Stockholm? |
| 13:03.12 | eye69 | Living in Stockholm sucks. |
| 13:03.26 | morsing | eye69: Surely not more than London?!? |
| 13:03.29 | eye69 | And it's almost impossible to find anywhere to live there. |
| 13:03.38 | morsing | eye69: Sleep in your 245! |
| 13:04.11 | murb | i thoguht .se was supposed to be a workers paradise? |
| 13:04.18 | murb | although only if you can get a job? |
| 13:05.05 | eye69 | What 245? I have a Mazda. |
| 13:05.28 | eye69 | murb: There aren't many jobs to find in the IT sector. |
| 13:05.57 | eye69 | Also most companies here couldn't care less about Linux. |
| 13:06.19 | eye69 | It's a lot more Windows centric here than in the UK, IMO. |
| 13:08.01 | murb | you can't search for a job in the uk or ireland? |
| 13:08.25 | eye69 | I'm not that keen to move. |
| 13:13.12 | morsing | eye69: I thought you liked it here? |
| 13:13.27 | eye69 | 1. I have a gf. |
| 13:13.33 | morsing | eye69: Do you not want to work on other Unix systems? |
| 13:13.35 | eye69 | 2. I couldn't possibly afford to move. |
| 13:13.57 | eye69 | morsing: I don't have that much experience with other Unix systems. Some BSD, but that's about it. |
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| 13:25.07 | morsing | Mmm... Bouncy |
| 13:25.49 | morsing | http://www.twiki.org/ |
| 14:06.51 | Cope | /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd/bpimagelist -A -d 01/09/2005 00:00:00 -e 01/1 |
| 14:07.19 | Cope | one of these days I shall paste something into the correct xterm |
| 14:12.56 | morsing | Check it! |
| 14:16.50 | morsing | 5.*/aix not found |
| 14:16.51 | morsing | Perl not installed correctly, can't find directory /usr/opt/perl5/lib//5.00*/aix |
| 14:16.51 | morsing | cleanup: Failed while executing the ./freeware.rrdtool.rte.unpost_i script. |
| 14:42.53 | wethrin | shush |
| 14:43.16 | rhowe | hm, Sun e4k going on ebay US for GBP450 or so :) |
| 14:43.17 | George | wethrin: what?? |
| 14:43.29 | wethrin | A book |
| 14:43.34 | rhowe | 16 way SGI o2k going for a bit more |
| 14:43.39 | wethrin | rhowe: Pah. I got an E4k for free |
| 14:43.42 | wethrin | What specs? |
| 14:43.53 | rhowe | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5850852965 |
| 14:44.28 | George | wethrin: :'( |
| 14:44.47 | wethrin | rhowe: Ahh. 12 CPUs |
| 14:44.49 | SlayerXP | rhowe: http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=2319 |
| 14:45.00 | SlayerXP | rhowe: cheaper and more efficient |
| 14:45.16 | wethrin | SlayerXP: You advocating PCs again? |
| 14:47.02 | SlayerXP | hardly |
| 14:48.14 | wethrin | Hm. I think that's the wrong way round. What you showed will stop a door opening too far, rather than holding it open |
| 14:56.31 | morsing | I hate perl |
| 14:56.46 | wethrin | I saw you at a London Perlmongers meet! |
| 14:57.40 | morsing | They had beer! |
| 14:57.54 | morsing | Who is the guy that looks like ANdrew Wasley again? |
| 14:57.58 | wethrin | Who? |
| 14:59.03 | morsing | Can't locate loadable object for module RRDs in @INC |
| 14:59.09 | morsing | How do I fix this!? |
| 14:59.35 | wethrin | Install the object |
| 15:00.26 | morsing | wethrin: Done! *And* copied to fifteen different directories |
| 15:00.36 | rhowe | SlayerXP: I know what that link is without even clicking on it |
| 15:00.49 | SlayerXP | rhowe: you do? |
| 15:00.52 | morsing | wethrin: Help |
| 15:00.52 | rhowe | SlayerXP: I do |
| 15:01.01 | wethrin | morsing: I don't do Perl! |
| 15:01.08 | morsing | Who does? |
| 15:01.21 | SlayerXP | i do |
| 15:01.22 | rhowe | SlayerXP: The e4k could do the job even better with appropriate machining :) |
| 15:01.37 | morsing | SlayerXP: Fine but not usually not very helpful |
| 15:01.54 | SlayerXP | me? not very helpful? |
| 15:02.02 | morsing | Exactly |
| 15:02.25 | morsing | SlayerXP: Well, help me then |
| 15:02.46 | SlayerXP | you haven't asked a meaningful question |
| 15:03.19 | morsing | Module RRDs.pm is in several directories in @INC (whatever that is) but is keep saying it can't find it |
| 15:03.52 | SlayerXP | @INC is an internal array that perl uses to store search paths |
| 15:03.55 | SlayerXP | are you using debian? |
| 15:04.08 | morsing | SlayerXP: AIX |
| 15:04.52 | SlayerXP | this is evil, but before your "use" add something like: push @INC,'/path/to/RRDs.pm' |
| 15:05.25 | SlayerXP | evil because it's about as portable as an e4k |
| 15:05.49 | wethrin | Hey! Two people can carry an E4k with only a little bit of problem |
| 15:12.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: Thanks. And where do I add this 'push'? |
| 15:12.42 | SlayerXP | ' , but before your "use" ' |
| 15:12.58 | morsing | Ahhh... In the script itself then? |
| 15:13.00 | AndrewBlack | I can't say I no anything about RRDs but a googling suggest that you also need RRDs.so (see http://my14all.sourceforge.net/install.html) |
| 15:13.02 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 15:13.14 | morsing | Or, more like in *all* my scripts then |
| 15:13.44 | AndrewBlack | If it is in the @INC then playing with pushing @INC doestn sound like the solution |
| 15:14.11 | morsing | AndrewBlack: So what do you suggest? |
| 15:15.06 | AndrewBlack | Suggest you ask on a aforum / channel that knows about RRDs. SOund like it isnt installled properly. |
| 15:16.08 | SlayerXP | he's the only person left in the world using AIX. no-one will care :) |
| 15:16.18 | AndrewBlack | Googling for RRDs suggest other people have had this prob before |
| 15:16.28 | AndrewBlack | Sorry Missed the bit about AiX ! |
| 15:16.57 | Cope | To quote SlayerXP ... |
| 15:17.04 | Cope | "I see the problem..." |
| 15:17.24 | SlayerXP | one of my favourites, that :) |
| 15:17.31 | Cope | it is rather good |
| 15:20.24 | morsing | SlayerXP: AIX is actually the fastest growing comercial Unix avaliable |
| 15:20.42 | morsing | SlayerXP: And AFAIK Perl is multiplatform so you're the only one who cares |
| 15:20.53 | SlayerXP | morsing: based on the faulty premise that people buy commercial UNIXes these days :) |
| 15:21.13 | morsing | SlayerXP: And can I just say that once again you've given up on a problem that you claimed was easy to fix! |
| 15:21.18 | AndrewBlack | OK - can I step back a bit. How did you isntall RRDs |
| 15:21.28 | SlayerXP | morsing: did I say I'd given up? |
| 15:21.31 | wethrin | SlayerXP: That's not a faulty premise :) |
| 15:21.33 | morsing | perl Makeperl.PL |
| 15:21.35 | morsing | make |
| 15:21.41 | morsing | make test |
| 15:21.43 | morsing | make install |
| 15:21.44 | SlayerXP | morsing: perl -MCPAN -shell |
| 15:21.47 | SlayerXP | err |
| 15:21.49 | SlayerXP | morsing: perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 15:21.57 | SlayerXP | follow prompt |
| 15:22.02 | morsing | SlayerXP: Does that require Internet access? |
| 15:22.05 | SlayerXP | then "install <module name>" |
| 15:22.08 | SlayerXP | morsing: yes |
| 15:22.15 | morsing | Won't work then |
| 15:22.54 | SlayerXP | does my push hack work for you? |
| 15:23.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: Not with a path. Is it supposed to point to the file? |
| 15:23.46 | SlayerXP | it should point to the directory that the module was installed to |
| 15:24.01 | morsing | Ok, it doesn't work |
| 15:24.44 | SlayerXP | you don't have multiple version of perl installed, by any chance, do you? |
| 15:26.27 | AndrewBlack | What directory is the RRDs.pm in and is there an RRDs.so there too? |
| 15:27.35 | morsing | SlayerXP: I've had different versions installed, yes. It might be a bit messed up |
| 15:27.43 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 15:28.02 | morsing | AndrewBlack: It's in /usr/opt/perl5/lib/5.8.2 |
| 15:28.32 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Ahh... The .so is somewhere else I notice |
| 15:28.37 | morsing | What do I do with it? |
| 15:29.36 | morsing | Ok, I now get: |
| 15:29.37 | morsing | Can't load '/usr/opt/perl5/lib/5.8.2/RRDs.so' for module RRDs: Could not load module /usr/local/lib/librrd.a(librrd.so). |
| 15:30.22 | SlayerXP | does that .so exist? |
| 15:31.01 | SlayerXP | if so run "ldd /usr/opt/perl5/lib/5.8.2/RRDs.so" |
| 15:31.17 | AndrewBlack | Matthew knows more about this sort of thing than I do. I can get him on the job when he is back |
| 15:35.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: YEs, just copied it to @INC |
| 15:35.31 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Thanks |
| 16:08.40 | morsing | ar: 0707-109 Member name shr.o does not exist. |
| 16:09.14 | morsing | What's libgd? |
| 16:10.04 | kbsingh | the lib for GD ? |
| 16:10.10 | morsing | Hmm |
| 16:10.14 | kbsingh | gd graphics stuff |
| 16:10.39 | morsing | Thanks |
| 16:12.50 | rhowe | I'm looking for a 1U (well, doesn't have to be, but small is good :) rackmount chassis suitable for putting two 5 1/4" drives in (2 half height LTO drives) |
| 16:12.59 | rhowe | Anyone know any suppliers good for this kind of stuff? |
| 16:13.12 | wethrin | pcicase.co.uk |
| 16:13.32 | rhowe | Ah, yes... I have some nice SCA hotswap bays from them |
| 16:13.34 | rhowe | http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=HPGA0485V |
| 16:13.55 | rhowe | That's nice, and I can get it for £1,250 w/free delivery, but I can get the bare drive for £900 or so |
| 16:14.07 | rhowe | Which gives me a budget of £350 for an equivalent chassis :) |
| 16:15.16 | wethrin | hum |
| 16:15.47 | wethrin | Oh, might you know if it's possible to get removable SATA bays that fit into 5.25" drive bays? |
| 16:15.58 | rhowe | I would expect pcicase do them |
| 16:16.14 | wethrin | They do entire cases with them |
| 16:16.17 | rhowe | http://www.pcicase.co.uk/mobileracks.ihtml?id=25&step=2 |
| 16:16.20 | wethrin | But I don't want to spend £600+ |
| 16:16.32 | rhowe | I have the SCA versions, the SNT series |
| 16:16.32 | wethrin | I have a case, I'm just pondering putting swappable bays into it |
| 16:16.56 | rhowe | http://www.pcicase.co.uk/mobileracks.ihtml?id=24&step=2 |
| 16:17.08 | rhowe | IIRC the SNT is the higher quality series.. lots of metal, not much plastic |
| 16:17.26 | rhowe | I have two of the 131C's |
| 16:18.08 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/alpha.jpg - that's a 500AU with one in |
| 16:18.19 | rhowe | I bought it from uk.insight.com, but it was expensive (~£45 or so) |
| 16:19.16 | wethrin | Ah. Any idea how much it costs from pcicase? The fiends don't have prices |
| 16:19.44 | morsing | Do you wish to proceed? (Yes (Y)/No (N)) Y |
| 16:19.48 | rhowe | probabyl similar. they have a sales number, although they may only sell in quantity to people who have accounts |
| 16:20.30 | wethrin | Hm. I can't afford £450 on caddies |
| 16:22.08 | rhowe | urg |
| 16:22.19 | rhowe | They may do a volume discount - ask |
| 16:22.26 | rhowe | They may even have something more appropriate |
| 16:22.40 | rhowe | pcicase don't really do what I need |
| 16:22.52 | wethrin | Yeah. But I still really can't afford it, even for half that price |
| 16:22.54 | rhowe | at least, I doubt it'll be as nice as the HP box |
| 16:23.00 | rhowe | Yeah, caddies are expensive |
| 16:23.11 | wethrin | If I /could/ afford it, I wouldn't be using a PeeCee as a filesewer in the first place |
| 16:24.02 | murb | have you see the ide / ata peopls stuff? |
| 16:24.06 | murb | looks quite nice. |
| 16:24.14 | murb | i mean ata / ethernet |
| 16:25.13 | rhowe | murb: It looks nice, but I haven't yet tried it |
| 16:26.47 | rhowe | murb: There was a utility which entered Debian a while back which allowed you to export a block device as AoE... using that, 3 boxes, 6 NICs, 2 switches, and a bit of LVM and multipath I/O, you could build a pretty fault-tolerant storage system |
| 16:27.08 | murb | or a very ooopsy unstable system. |
| 16:27.14 | rhowe | And that too :) |
| 16:27.18 | murb | that only you now how to fix |
| 16:27.25 | rhowe | (the above assumes the code works well :) |
| 16:27.28 | murb | that is what i call job (in)security. |
| 16:27.38 | rhowe | murb: Oh, this was going to be for home use :P |
| 16:27.54 | rhowe | murb: fibrechannel on the cheep :) |
| 16:28.12 | rhowe | hm, supermicro don't make what I want either |
| 16:28.43 | rhowe | wethrin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/mobilerack/CSE-M35T-1.cfm |
| 16:28.52 | rhowe | wethrin: Looks like you want something like that |
| 16:29.13 | morsing | Check it! |
| 16:29.21 | rhowe | Yeah, check it! |
| 16:29.27 | wethrin | I did |
| 16:29.48 | wethrin | Yes - will it fit into just any case, though, or does it need a Supermicro one? |
| 16:32.17 | rhowe | Not sure |
| 16:34.20 | rhowe | It might be the size of several 5 1/4 drives, so if you have space for maybe 4x 5 1/4 drives next to each other, you might just be able to slot it in |
| 16:34.25 | wethrin | Also, there's no price |
| 16:34.37 | rhowe | You probably can't buy direct, but google for the part number |
| 16:34.46 | wethrin | Oh, I have the vertical space |
| 16:34.48 | rhowe | Or froogle for it |
| 16:35.09 | wethrin | I'm slightly worried about it only having a 90mm exhaust fan, though. It seems a bit inadequate |
| 16:35.50 | rhowe | Yeah, seems a bit light |
| 16:36.04 | rhowe | Although if it's got lots of metal, you might get a decent amount of conduction |
| 16:36.14 | rhowe | There may be internal heatsink fins near the fan slot or something |
| 16:36.21 | rhowe | see if there's one on ebay? |
| 16:36.44 | rhowe | Maybe someone's selling an SATA drive array or something you can snarf the enclosures from? |
| 16:38.35 | wethrin | rhowe: Hm. Pricy |
| 16:38.58 | rhowe | Yeah, drive bays are really overpriced |
| 16:39.03 | wethrin | I'll muddle on with what I've got for the moment |
| 16:48.15 | morsing | $ grep -E "S0238606.LOG|S0239112.LOG|DB_INCR_BACKUP.20051209130057.2" b* |
| 16:48.15 | morsing | b00401:PRODDB Arch /GAMPRD1L 12 /NODE0000/ S0238606.LOG |
| 16:48.18 | morsing | b00401:PRODDB Arch /GAMPRD1L 12 /NODE0000/ S0239112.LOG |
| 16:56.20 | SlayerXP | you back up youre Gay Asian Midget Porn collection? |
| 16:56.25 | SlayerXP | your |
| 16:57.36 | morsing | SlayerXP: Are you talking to rhowe? |
| 16:58.11 | rhowe | ?! |
| 17:03.50 | morsing | rhowe: Sorry, I don't know anyone else with a Gay Asian Midget Porn collection |
| 17:05.14 | rhowe | 500 images doth not a collection make |
| 17:06.35 | Leeds | sounds more like George's sort of thing to me... |
| 17:07.38 | morsing | Leeds! You're back :-) |
| 17:08.42 | Leeds | nope, 100% front... and about to go to bed |
| 17:10.10 | Leeds | just testing my new HK$ credit card :-) |
| 17:12.47 | morsing | http://www.culinary-yours.com/chalkdrawings1.jpg |
| 17:12.49 | morsing | Amazing |
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| 17:14.40 | rhowe | morsing: There's a whole series |
| 17:14.50 | rhowe | morsing: That one's mediocre by comparison to some of his other work |
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| 17:21.25 | Leeds | g'night all |
| 18:49.12 | George | lol, email from my uncle congratulating me on my offer to cambridge |
| 18:49.22 | George | news spreads fast... he lives in washington. |
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| 19:38.28 | TimMagic | yo george |
| 19:38.58 | George | hey |
| 19:41.36 | TimMagic | hows it hangin? |
| 19:52.58 | George | fine |
| 19:52.58 | George | lol |
| 20:01.36 | TimMagic | cool |
| 20:17.21 | TimMagic | ooh george |
| 20:17.23 | TimMagic | 2 things |
| 20:17.34 | TimMagic | 1) well done on gettin into uni |
| 20:18.14 | TimMagic | 2) finally another public school boy!!! all these london types seem to go to "community colleges" or comps! |
| 20:19.17 | George | heh |
| 20:19.21 | George | TimMagic: which public school were you at? |
| 20:19.47 | George | and how did you find out I'm a harrow boy? :P |
| 20:19.54 | TimMagic | i did 5yrs at queen elizabeths in blackburn |
| 20:20.08 | TimMagic | then 2 at king edwards in chelmsford |
| 20:20.09 | George | never heard of it :P |
| 20:20.23 | TimMagic | though i was offered places at flested and brentwood |
| 20:20.42 | George | heh |
| 20:20.53 | George | which university did you go to? |
| 20:21.20 | TimMagic | i found out u were harrovian by lookin at your blog |
| 20:21.26 | George | lol |
| 20:21.27 | TimMagic | and i was at ucl |
| 20:21.31 | George | nice |
| 20:22.21 | TimMagic | i think so! |
| 20:22.29 | George | didn't apply to any london colleges myself |
| 20:24.21 | TimMagic | to escape the city? |
| 20:25.54 | Erwin | Hmm. "public school" doesn't mean what I thought it would mean I guess, since attending Harrow apparently costs 23,000 pounds a year -- according to Wikipedia. Which also claims that both James Blunt and the last king of Iraq graduated from it. |
| 20:28.28 | TimMagic | yeah - public schools and private schools are the same thing |
| 20:28.36 | TimMagic | and james blunt was at harrow |
| 20:30.04 | Erwin | This must be quite amazing for networking. Did you get to know any sons of kings, queens, ministers or despots while there? :) |
| 20:34.07 | TimMagic | i didnt go there |
| 20:34.29 | TimMagic | i was there with james beatty - former southampton football player |
| 20:34.41 | TimMagic | the owner of burnley fc's son |
| 20:40.01 | TimMagic | george: why do u need 2 terabytes of HD space? |
| 20:44.19 | George | TimMagic: why not? |
| 20:45.00 | George | Erwin: there are a couple of lords in my year |
| 20:47.50 | TimMagic | u make a good point! |
| 20:48.02 | TimMagic | and cant u buy lordships of the net? |
| 20:49.01 | George | no |
| 20:49.45 | Erwin | Well, that's the point of this system, that there is still some intangible quality they can have that no money can buy |
| 20:49.56 | boudiccas | which is better, centos bog-standard firewall or shorewall? |
| 21:02.41 | wethrin | OpenBSD + pf :-) |
| 21:05.24 | George | SAUSAGES |
| 21:15.11 | z00dax | boudiccas, shorewall also uses iptables - so the firewall you get is the same |
| 21:15.21 | z00dax | just different ways to setup / define rules |
| 21:22.44 | George | just bung the holes up with sausages |
| 21:22.48 | George | sure to do the trick ;) |
| 21:28.15 | wethrin | They produce people like George :) |
| 21:29.30 | Erwin | Well, maybe sometimes a sausage stuffed in a hole is just a sausage. |
| 21:30.03 | z00dax | and after a day, a bad sausage |
| 21:30.33 | z00dax | after 5 days, a biological weapon |
| 21:32.40 | Erwin | Anyone using bethere's adsl2 offering? |
| 21:35.08 | George | Erwin: are you? |
| 21:35.22 | wethrin | I'm not |
| 21:35.50 | Erwin | Nah, I have Zen which just doesn't get much speed out here, another resident reports that he signed up for BeThere and got 8 mbit instead of just about 1 with BT/Zen |
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| 21:39.31 | wethrin | AC |
| 21:39.44 | wethrin | oh dear. Why? |
| 21:39.48 | George | AngelChild: as pleased as I'm feeling with myself? |
| 21:39.50 | AngelChild | I just cooked a mushroom risotto and it tasted lovely :-) |
| 21:39.55 | wethrin | George: No, you're just a smug git |
| 21:40.06 | George | wethrin: bah, I'm not smug? |
| 21:40.08 | wethrin | AngelChild: Yay |
| 21:40.19 | wethrin | George: Oh yes you are! |
| 21:40.23 | George | wethrin: no I'm not! |
| 21:40.31 | wethrin | George: Oh yes you are! |
| 21:40.38 | George | wethrin: no I'm not! |
| 21:41.45 | George | AngelChild: am I a smug git? |
| 21:41.57 | AngelChild | you're evil and heartless |
| 21:42.26 | AngelChild | based purely on the fact that you continuously attack me :( |
| 21:44.04 | George | AngelChild: :( |
| 21:44.07 | George | bah |
| 21:44.11 | George | grrr |
| 21:44.14 | George | my typing sucks today |
| 21:44.41 | George | AngelChild: I repent! I'm happy today so I won't attack you! |
| 21:46.07 | AngelChild | why happy happy? :) |
| 21:46.33 | George | er, don't you know? |
| 21:46.43 | AngelChild | umm, uni? |
| 21:46.48 | George | yeah |
| 21:48.33 | George | AngelChild: offer from cambridge! |
| 21:48.43 | AngelChild | nice :) |
| 21:48.56 | Erwin | What do you guys use for remote email BTW? It seems the crackberries require some 40ukp/month package. I really need something with a decent qwerty keyboard. |
| 21:49.14 | George | Erwin: a laptop |
| 21:49.17 | George | AngelChild: :D |
| 21:49.24 | George | AngelChild: got to get an A in Further Maths though :( |
| 21:50.13 | wethrin | Erwin: ssh |
| 21:50.19 | George | wethrin: that too |
| 21:50.24 | AngelChild | I got an A at further maths, just put your back into it xD (well... metaphorical mental back) |
| 21:50.43 | George | women. |
| 21:51.00 | Erwin | wethrin: Yes, well, on a mobile pocket-sized device :) |
| 21:51.04 | George | at least I already have my A in Maths |
| 21:51.08 | George | which makes things easy :D |
| 21:52.05 | George | Erwin: any pda with a 640x480 screen? |
| 21:52.46 | wethrin | Get an ol' Psion 5 :) |
| 21:53.06 | George | that's 640x240 |
| 21:53.10 | Erwin | I don't think they take SIM cards |
| 21:53.19 | George | that's why you have bluetooth. |
| 21:54.23 | wethrin | George: Yes, but it's nice |
| 21:54.25 | Erwin | Isn't the BB really unable to read POP on its own via GPRS, from the device? |
| 21:54.34 | George | wethrin: true |
| 21:56.06 | Erwin | How about this Sidekick thing? |
| 22:02.33 | George | wibble |
| 22:09.17 | George | this is ridiculous |
| 22:09.25 | George | I've got two A level exams tomorrow and I've just started revising |
| 22:09.28 | George | god I'm going to fail |
| 22:14.08 | Cope | yeah right |
| 22:14.11 | Cope | prat |
| 22:14.14 | Cope | :P |
| 22:17.22 | AngelChild | :o |
| 22:18.05 | George | sausages |
| 22:18.51 | wethrin | SOSSIDGES |
| 22:18.59 | George | hi wethrin |
| 22:19.01 | wethrin | Why do you have them tomorrow? |
| 22:19.05 | wethrin | It's a silly time! |
| 22:19.06 | George | AngelChild: wethrin and I are sister college buddies! |
| 22:19.12 | George | wethrin: january modules :( |
| 22:19.15 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 22:19.19 | wethrin | You can always retake them |
| 22:20.58 | George | yes |
| 22:20.59 | George | :P |
| 22:21.28 | AngelChild | George: Oh, right |
| 22:22.03 | George | AngelChild: lol |
| 22:22.47 | wethrin | hello |
| 22:26.49 | George | yay |
| 23:09.57 | mikejw | lo |
| 23:11.48 | rhowe | murb: vblade |
| 23:11.54 | rhowe | murb: That's the utility I was thinking of |
