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| 00:33.05 | rhowe | [FreeCycleLondon] Wanted: Vax 5130 model dead or working |
| 00:58.22 | Leeds | going to work |
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| 01:54.26 | Leeds | okay, something else I want from firefox's tab handling... the ability to mark a bunch of tabs and say "move these to a new window" |
| 03:11.19 | Leeds | I wonder how a material, which AFAIK isn't meant to be fluorescent, can be more than 100% reflective |
| 06:21.03 | Leeds | morning Cope |
| 06:30.21 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:40.21 | Cope | ibot nslookup www.pulmicortspeakers.com |
| 06:42.49 | Leeds | ibot lookup her skirt |
| 06:43.41 | Leeds | ibot change 6750 hkd to gbp |
| 07:31.32 | Leeds | mmm... mustard/sesame crackers |
| 07:33.00 | murb | moin |
| 07:33.37 | Leeds | got to love that tongue-burning wasabi |
| 07:35.34 | Cope | mmm |
| 07:35.36 | Cope | hello murb |
| 07:37.28 | Leeds | "As is common among the young in such circumstances of euphoric relief, a drink or two had been taken." "?Excuse me,? Mr Brown ventured to the officer towering above him, ?do you realise your horse is gay??" |
| 07:38.39 | Leeds | news story regarding an Oxford student who, while drunk, accused a police horse of being gay and was arrested for homophobic harassment |
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| 07:44.24 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:46.52 | Leeds | morsing! |
| 07:48.20 | Leeds | quiet day today - it's a public holiday in Sri Lanka |
| 07:49.36 | Cope | not really sendmail specific, but if I have a bunch of queued email (in this case its because sendmail is not running in daemon mode), how can I see what generated the emails? what process? I don't see any cron jobs that look like likely candidates. |
| 07:54.48 | Leeds | I would think that if the content of the mail doesn't make it clear, you're down to guessing - I doubt there's any logging or metadata which will help |
| 07:55.05 | Leeds | unless whatever generated them is doing logging - but then you're in a catch-22 |
| 07:55.19 | Cope | Some prat doesn't know the format of a crontab |
| 07:55.40 | morsing | Cope: Huh? |
| 07:55.53 | Leeds | that could easily cause problems, yes |
| 07:58.03 | Leeds | morsing: how has 2006 been for you so far? |
| 08:03.32 | morsing | Leeds: Crap but with a better outlook |
| 08:03.37 | morsing | Leeds: Why? |
| 08:03.55 | morsing | I looked at my employment contract and I have 13 weeks notice |
| 08:04.02 | morsing | I can ony give 5 |
| 08:04.08 | Leeds | just making conversation - it's Friday afternoon, much of the company is closed for the day and I'm sort of bored |
| 08:04.16 | morsing | Do you think that will cause problems? |
| 08:04.18 | Leeds | meaning you have a new job starting 5 weeks from now? |
| 08:04.29 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 08:04.41 | Leeds | (congrats) |
| 08:04.47 | morsing | Thanks :-) |
| 08:04.52 | morsing | Why the ()? |
| 08:05.26 | Leeds | depends on the situation, I'd think - the point of the notice is that they can't dump you without warning, and you can't walk out on them without warning - either party could ask for it to shortened or waived, and the other party is perfectly within its rights to refuse |
| 08:05.45 | Leeds | (it was an aside - I wanted to type something serious :-) ) |
| 08:05.56 | morsing | Leeds: Will it cause trouble if we can't agree though? |
| 08:06.20 | Leeds | yes - they can force you to stay on their books until the end of the notice, and you should not accept other work during that perioud |
| 08:06.26 | Leeds | s/perioud/period/ |
| 08:06.46 | morsing | Leeds: What exactly does that mean? And why shouldn't I? |
| 08:07.40 | Leeds | if you are leaving on good terms, it has possibly been expected, and you're not leaving in the middle of a project or something, you could reasonably expect some leniency - obviously you'd be giving up the pay for that period of notice you wanted to drop |
| 08:08.21 | morsing | Leeds: I'm definately leaving in the middle of a project and it will be unexpected |
| 08:08.38 | morsing | I don't mind not being paid |
| 08:08.40 | Leeds | in which case, you should expect to be required to take garden leave |
| 08:08.50 | morsing | Eh? Why?! |
| 08:09.07 | Leeds | well, some garden leave, some work |
| 08:09.12 | morsing | ?! |
| 08:09.45 | Leeds | part of the point of notice is that you can't just walk out in the middle of a project and leave them hanging - you have to give them warning so they can plan for you not to be there, spread your expertise and knowledge and so on |
| 08:10.09 | morsing | Leeds: Yes, I'm giving them 5 weeks. How does garden l;eave help? |
| 08:10.18 | Leeds | notice is 13 weeks |
| 08:10.39 | morsing | Yes? But garden leave is paid leave and I don't think they would want to pay me |
| 08:11.04 | Leeds | frankly, garden leave would mainly be vindictive, but it's within their rights, unless you could prove constructive dismissal - and it really doesn't sound like you could |
| 08:11.37 | Leeds | my completely unofficial legal view would be that in your case, I would expect to be forced to work my notice |
| 08:11.39 | morsing | Leeds: I would love garden leave. I hope they do that but I can't imagine it! |
| 08:11.52 | morsing | Leeds: "Forced"? With what? |
| 08:12.01 | Leeds | legal whatnot, if it came to it |
| 08:12.36 | Leeds | garden leave in that I'd expect them to remove as much responsibility from you as possible, as soon as possible - while getting as much as sensible out of you in the meantime |
| 08:13.12 | Leeds | I could, of course, be wrong - I've never left a job, just been laid off a couple of times |
| 08:13.32 | Leeds | I could, therefore, be a little biased on how the company will treat you... :-) |
| 08:13.52 | AndrewBlack_ | I'd consult Citizens advice bureau or a solicitor if the situation is comple |
| 08:13.57 | morsing | Leeds: I seriously don't think there's anything they can do! I don't know how you imagine "force". They might be a bit upset but that's it... |
| 08:14.24 | morsing | AndrewBlack_: I can't imagine it would come to that |
| 08:14.30 | Leeds | if you break the contract, you could, in theory, be taken before a tribunal and fined, I think |
| 08:15.09 | morsing | Leeds: As far as I know they can claim compensation from me from loss of earnings. But how would there be any |
| 08:15.20 | AndrewBlack_ | You might want them as a reference in the future so not a good idea to rub them up the wrong way too much |
| 08:15.24 | Leeds | the cost of hiring a short-term contractor to take over your work |
| 08:15.54 | morsing | Leeds: I think you're over reacting a bit |
| 08:16.08 | morsing | Maybe I should ask HR? |
| 08:16.23 | Leeds | AndrewBlack_: it's my experience nowadays that companies generally prefer to give no more than "Person X worked here from date Y to date Z" possibly with "in position A" added on - for liability purposes... if they write a bad reference and you lose a job because of it, they may be liable |
| 08:16.54 | morsing | Yes, they're not allowed to give you a bad reference |
| 08:17.02 | Leeds | I think there have been precedent-setting cases |
| 08:17.35 | AndrewBlack_ | so references are really a waste of time |
| 08:17.37 | Leeds | you should ask HR - but you should make it clear that you require confidentiality, and that the question should be seen as hypothetical |
| 08:18.22 | Leeds | I assume you didn't do anything as stupid as actually signing a new contract without confirming the details of the old one? |
| 08:19.00 | morsing | Leeds: Eh? I haven't signed anything yet |
| 08:19.15 | Leeds | you have a new job? |
| 08:19.45 | Leeds | or you have an *offer* of a new job? |
| 08:22.49 | morsing | Leeds: Offer. But many more will come if I don't take it. |
| 08:23.13 | morsing | It's just not as easy getting job offers if you say you have 3 months notice |
| 08:24.15 | Leeds | I would say you need to a) speak to HR about a shortened notice period b) consider that you may simply not be available to take a job for 13 weeks c) consider that maybe you hand in your notice ASAP, then with a fixed date, start looking - if nothing else, in 8 weeks or so, you'd be back to looking to start in 5 weeks |
| 08:24.38 | Leeds | d) plan to go on holiday between jobs... |
| 08:26.09 | Leeds | purely my personal opinion - although I play a good lawyer, I've never been one... |
| 08:30.54 | Leeds | morsing: oh, and be tactful, at least with your current company... |
| 08:38.05 | George | I've got to see the deputy head today |
| 08:38.31 | Leeds | been a bad boy? |
| 08:39.04 | George | no |
| 08:39.12 | George | need to discuss archery :( |
| 08:40.30 | Leeds | you shot someone? |
| 08:40.46 | Leeds | someone shot you? |
| 08:40.54 | George | no |
| 08:40.56 | George | I'm captain |
| 08:40.58 | George | and we have no team |
| 08:41.03 | George | and our coach got a bit angry |
| 08:41.11 | George | and complained until it escalated to the deputy head |
| 08:41.11 | Leeds | ah, no-one prepared to work for you? |
| 08:42.02 | George | :P |
| 08:42.11 | George | the master in charge of archery is a touch slack |
| 08:42.15 | George | he'll say there's archery one day |
| 08:42.17 | George | we turn up |
| 08:42.19 | George | and there isn't |
| 08:42.26 | Cope | fewl |
| 08:42.31 | Cope | morning George |
| 08:42.34 | George | so it got to the stage where I couldn't convince anyone there was archery anymore |
| 08:42.34 | George | because they didn't want t |
| 08:42.38 | George | o go all the way |
| 08:42.44 | Cope | how modest |
| 08:42.50 | George | just on the slim chance that there was archery (understandably) |
| 08:43.13 | George | and we have an external coach who would came in a couple of times only to be told to go home again because no one had turned up |
| 08:43.27 | George | I was busy last term with uni applications and stuff so I wasn't particularly helpful either |
| 08:44.45 | Leeds | so, you suck and the master sucks and you're going to be told off for shirking your responsibility? |
| 09:01.31 | Leeds | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ lol |
| 09:29.49 | morsing | ibot innate |
| 09:33.22 | Leeds | morsing: are you asking what innate means? |
| 09:37.53 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 09:38.04 | morsing | Leeds innate |
| 09:38.45 | Leeds | essential, core, not aquired - something innate is something built-in |
| 09:39.02 | morsing | Leeds: So our timesheets are built-in |
| 09:39.03 | morsing | ? |
| 09:39.23 | Leeds | I don't think innate would be an appropriate word to use to describe timesheets, no |
| 09:39.27 | Leeds | what's the context? |
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| 09:43.26 | Leeds | evening kbsingh |
| 09:43.55 | kbsingh | hi Leeds, how are you doing ? |
| 09:44.47 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 09:44.53 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 09:45.03 | morsing | Leeds: "Please remember to complete you innate timesheets" |
| 09:45.22 | Leeds | I would suspect that innate was the name of the system used to manage timesheets |
| 09:45.24 | morsing | Leeds: Weekly email enjoyed but us all! |
| 09:45.34 | morsing | Leeds: It's not AFAIK |
| 09:45.51 | Leeds | kbsingh: not bad - got maybe 30 minutes left of the week, then dim sum lunch tomorrow! |
| 09:52.12 | Leeds | morsing: that's the only context I could think of which would make sense |
| 09:59.57 | kbsingh | innate ... maybe inmate ? morsing where exactly do you work :) |
| 10:01.29 | Leeds | hometime... |
| 10:06.06 | morsing | Any Solaris experts here? |
| 10:14.51 | Cope | morsing: ask your question |
| 10:15.39 | rhowe | Cope, morsing: /join #greatdane |
| 10:15.47 | Cope | rhowe: why? |
| 10:15.51 | Cope | http://www.thanhniennews.com/worlds/?catid=9&newsid=11957 |
| 10:16.10 | rhowe | s/$/ please/ |
| 10:16.15 | rhowe | Cope: Because I asked you? |
| 10:16.27 | rhowe | nicely? :) |
| 10:16.35 | Cope | :) |
| 10:17.35 | Cope | morsing: poke me when you're unidle, and I'll help you with solaris |
| 10:27.32 | wethrin | morning |
| 10:28.25 | morsing | Cope: If I type in two different default routes on Solaris, will it accept it? |
| 10:28.40 | morsing | Will it have two or change the one there is? |
| 10:29.08 | wethrin | how can you have two default routes? |
| 10:30.09 | morsing | wethrin: AIX cam |
| 10:30.10 | morsing | can |
| 10:30.26 | morsing | Think it round robins |
| 10:30.39 | wethrin | Hrm. Per packet, or per connection? |
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| 10:33.18 | morsing | wethrin: Don't know. |
| 10:33.21 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:33.36 | Leeds | morsing... |
| 10:34.20 | Cope | morsing: not sure; I don't think so, but I wonder if you could put a fqdn in the routing table, and use round-robin dns |
| 10:34.36 | Cope | however I expect it resolves and puts the ip in the routing table |
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| 10:34.44 | Cope | aha! bruce! |
| 10:34.46 | Cope | greeetings! |
| 10:34.49 | Leeds | itsbruce! |
| 10:35.04 | wethrin | bruce! |
| 10:35.07 | itsbruce | Morning, comrades |
| 10:35.13 | Leeds | good evening |
| 10:36.23 | rhowe | It's Bruce! |
| 10:36.30 | morsing | itsbruce! Been a while... |
| 10:36.45 | morsing | itsbruce: Are you going to FOSDEM? |
| 10:36.49 | rhowe | itsbruce, mind /join'ing #greatdane for a sec? |
| 10:37.09 | rhowe | wethrin, Leeds, you too |
| 10:37.29 | wethrin | Ow |
| 10:37.36 | wethrin | I'm going to Fosdem, but haven't decided which way yet |
| 10:37.43 | wethrin | The usual Euro* (1043) is fucking expensive |
| 10:37.44 | Leeds | hmm... I have approx 350GB of disk space and less than 1GB free... |
| 10:38.03 | wethrin | So I may either fly from Newcastle or take the earlier one from Waterloo, coming home the night before |
| 10:38.38 | itsbruce | May go to FOSDEM, haven't decided yet |
| 10:38.59 | Leeds | somehow doubt I'll make FOSDEM |
| 10:40.26 | wethrin | Leeds: Write it off as a conference expense |
| 10:40.46 | Leeds | yeah, I think the flight from here might cost slightly more than the flight from Newcastle |
| 10:41.42 | wethrin | It's £130 from NCL |
| 10:43.58 | Leeds | what are the dates? |
| 10:44.21 | rhowe | Leeds: Last weekend in Feb, 25th & 26th |
| 10:45.07 | wethrin | And the important Friday-night pub |
| 10:46.13 | rhowe | Yes, and that |
| 10:46.26 | rhowe | wethrin: I will be taking l'eurostar on the friday night after work, I think |
| 10:47.24 | wethrin | Wimp :-P |
| 10:48.09 | morsing | wethrin: I'll do eurostar Friday morning |
| 10:48.36 | wethrin | morsing: Even at 8.30am? |
| 10:48.44 | wethrin | Leeds: Need to party hard? |
| 10:49.12 | Leeds | ibot change 6262 hkg to gbp |
| 10:49.25 | wethrin | ITYM hkd |
| 10:49.33 | Leeds | wethrin: more that it's completely impossible to get flights in or out of hong kong for about a week either side of cny |
| 10:49.34 | wethrin | ~change 6262 hkd to gbp |
| 10:49.39 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 10:49.58 | Leeds | so, 380gbp up for return flights to brussels... |
| 10:50.22 | morsing | wethrin: Why not |
| 10:50.25 | Leeds | actually not stupidly expensive... but that is in economy, of course, and mostly with a change |
| 10:50.42 | wethrin | morsing: Okay. I could get an outbound ticket there for £39, rather than £64 |
| 10:50.54 | wethrin | Leeds: Getting used to first-class travel? |
| 10:51.05 | Leeds | wethrin: certainly am :-) |
| 10:51.11 | wethrin | Posh :-P |
| 10:51.34 | wethrin | dirty man :-P |
| 10:54.36 | Leeds | hmm... no flights available on 29/2 |
| 10:58.53 | Leeds | can get a flight to London on miles with Virgin |
| 10:59.09 | Leeds | then just jump on the train :-) |
| 10:59.54 | Leeds | would cost me 50k miles and 100gbp |
| 11:01.38 | Leeds | ibot change 47373 hkd to gbp |
| 11:05.25 | Leeds | ibot change 5307 hkd to gbp |
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| 11:12.22 | Leeds | apparently singapore airlines are stopping-over some flights from London at Frankfurt due to fuel rationing at Heathrow |
| 11:12.54 | iTron | Leeds: Good luck with the transport once you reach London. It's worse than useless. I waited, this morning, just under 1 hour for a 114 bus to take me to Queensbury station. There are supposed to be buses "every 8-12 minutes", according to the timetable. |
| 11:13.32 | iTron | My journey sucked equally as much yesterday, when the Northern line, as it was this morning, was b0rked. |
| 11:13.59 | rhowe | Leeds: yes, they are |
| 11:14.01 | Leeds | iTron: I am not seriously planning to come to London for the weekend just to get to Brussels for the weekend... I just like window-shopping for flights :-) |
| 11:14.22 | iTron | Leeds: Heh, ok. ;) |
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| 11:15.11 | iTron | Leeds: You think you have problems, I'm trying to figure out the logistics of selling our house in London, then moving to Japan. It's keeping me awake at night. ;) |
| 11:16.09 | Leeds | it could be worse... I moved to Hong Kong and didn't do much about my flat in London... |
| 11:16.31 | iTron | *nod* |
| 11:16.37 | Leeds | it's still there, still full of my junk, still attracting bills... |
| 11:17.42 | morsing | eye69! |
| 11:20.56 | Leeds | hmm... is hyperdrive meant to look exactly like red dwarf at the start, or is it just my imagination? |
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| 11:27.04 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 11:30.18 | itsbruce | ewin? |
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| 11:31.04 | morsing | eye69! |
| 11:31.57 | Erwin | mrning |
| 11:37.19 | Leeds | dinner time! |
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| 11:49.07 | morsing | eye69_! |
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| 11:49.52 | morsing | eye69! |
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| 12:00.19 | JD | morning people |
| 12:00.31 | JD | what are people doing for fosdem wrt Eurostar |
| 12:00.38 | wethrin | JD! |
| 12:00.42 | wethrin | I don't know yet |
| 12:00.45 | JD | dammit |
| 12:00.49 | wethrin | I may take an early-morning one |
| 12:00.54 | JD | I don't know anyone taking the 12:14 train |
| 12:01.02 | wethrin | The 10.43 is fucking expensive |
| 12:01.10 | JD | 12:40 |
| 12:01.16 | wethrin | I may (if I go by E*) take the 08.39 train |
| 12:01.23 | Leeds | JD: hello! |
| 12:01.52 | wethrin | Or I may fly from Newcastle |
| 12:01.54 | JD | wethrin: hmmm |
| 12:02.01 | JD | I might just that the 14:13 |
| 12:02.15 | JD | I know people that |
| 12:16.48 | Leeds | "a quarter of U.S. citizens have a passport, up from 18%-20% a decade ago." |
| 12:18.04 | Erwin | You don't need a passport to see Baghdag, though. |
| 12:19.19 | Leeds | really? |
| 12:19.32 | Erwin | Baghdad even. |
| 12:22.05 | Leeds | you don't need a passport? |
| 12:22.55 | wethrin | Only 25%? That's not much |
| 12:23.36 | Leeds | more than it was... |
| 12:25.11 | wethrin | Yes, but even so... |
| 12:25.24 | JD | I thought it was lower |
| 12:27.03 | Leeds | pub time |
| 12:27.29 | wethrin | another half hour |
| 12:27.54 | Leeds | *night* pub time :-) |
| 12:28.40 | Erwin | Well, UK is not part of the SChengen agreement? So you need a passport to travel to Europe |
| 12:31.00 | wethrin | yeah |
| 12:32.14 | George | I'M HUNGRY |
| 12:34.19 | morsing | UK sucks |
| 12:35.37 | wethrin | George: I'm going to the pub for lunch |
| 12:35.44 | wethrin | morsing: Go back to .dk, then :-P |
| 12:35.55 | George | wethrin: I'm at school. |
| 12:36.01 | wethrin | sucks to be you |
| 12:42.26 | JD | George: Cambridge is going to love you |
| 12:42.42 | Cope | cor jd |
| 12:42.49 | George | JD: why? |
| 12:42.51 | JD | Cope: morning |
| 12:42.56 | wethrin | JD: At least someone will :) |
| 12:43.05 | JD | George: well I mean phate will |
| 12:43.11 | George | JD: why? |
| 12:43.19 | JD | cos then they'll have someone else to take the piss out of |
| 12:43.31 | George | knew it was a joke. |
| 12:43.43 | George | JD: so you're being dethroned as the village idiot? |
| 12:44.04 | JD | I don't live in a village |
| 12:44.15 | George | you're an idiot though |
| 12:44.36 | JD | I have a piece of paper that suggests otherwise |
| 12:45.04 | George | does it say "eye arm nut insyne"? |
| 12:46.36 | Cope | seems fairly unlikely |
| 12:46.48 | George | Cope: shut up! |
| 12:47.37 | George | sausages and clotted cream |
| 12:47.45 | wethrin | ~change 5.20EUR to GBP |
| 12:47.51 | wethrin | ~change 5.20 EUR to GBP |
| 12:48.19 | George | trust a physicist not to realise that the trailing 0 was redundant. |
| 12:48.39 | wethrin | Eh? |
| 12:48.49 | wethrin | I'm dealing with currency, not just ordinary numbers |
| 12:48.56 | George | ~change 5.2 EUR to GBP |
| 12:49.05 | wethrin | And currency is always given to two (sometimes 3) decimal places |
| 12:49.19 | George | interesting. ibot gives a different answer for .2 and .20 |
| 12:49.22 | George | unless it's changed |
| 12:49.27 | George | ~change 5.20 EUR to GBP |
| 12:49.37 | George | ok |
| 12:50.28 | George | JD: where did you go to uni? |
| 12:52.49 | morsing | ping JD |
| 12:52.55 | George | lunch! |
| 13:00.29 | JD | morsing: morning |
| 13:01.06 | JD | wethrin: I found that typing "google convert 22*6EUR to GBP" worked |
| 13:01.10 | JD | George: Leeds |
| 13:06.38 | morsing | JD: Morning. What did you have for lunch? |
| 13:07.25 | rhowe | mm, bacon & cream cheese bagels |
| 13:16.47 | JD | morsing: haven't had lunch yet |
| 13:27.53 | morsing | All: Have just had confirmed by an independant manager here that your employer cannot stop you from only giving one months notice. |
| 14:05.15 | George | JD: har |
| 14:06.54 | JD | morsing: it rather depends on your contract |
| 14:14.29 | morsing | JD: No |
| 14:14.47 | morsing | My contract says 3 months but that won't hold in court |
| 14:16.28 | rhowe | heh, looking back through my diary... |
| 14:16.57 | rhowe | "March 21st 2005: Blew away ARCserve - oops! Set up Bacula on spanky" |
| 14:17.59 | morsing | clone_mksysb_maerp501 resources mksysb |
| 14:18.48 | Erwin | 3 months! |
| 14:18.58 | Erwin | Are you the CEO of Google UK or something? |
| 14:19.00 | morsing | Erwin: 3 months! |
| 14:19.08 | morsing | Erwin: No - this is the UK |
| 14:19.17 | morsing | It's rubbish |
| 14:30.02 | wethrin | JD: Fair enough, but ibot is closer to hand |
| 14:32.45 | itsbruce | Whatever the legal position, in practice most companies do not force people to stick to 3 month notice periods. You can hardly rely on the work of an unwilling employee |
| 14:33.55 | itsbruce | However, where somebody with a 3 month notice period has asked to go in a month, their employer is likely to feel that they have done that person a favour in agreeing and will expect them to be extra productive and helpful in tidying up loose ends before they go |
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| 14:42.12 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 14:47.40 | JD | wethrin: I tend to have a firefox to hand :) |
| 14:47.57 | wethrin | JD: It requires going to a different window |
| 14:48.09 | wethrin | And then going to Google. Much quicker to just use ~change |
| 14:48.46 | JD | wethrin: no, just type google in the address bar |
| 14:49.27 | wethrin | Still quicker to just do it from IRC |
| 14:49.49 | JD | :) |
| 14:50.03 | JD | but can ibot cope with the multiplication :) |
| 14:51.02 | wethrin | ibot 3*2 |
| 14:51.04 | ibot | 6 |
| 14:51.15 | wethrin | I think that answers your question :) |
| 14:57.01 | itsbruce | How complex is ibot's mathematical ability? |
| 14:57.19 | wethrin | ibot pi |
| 14:57.20 | ibot | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 14:57.24 | wethrin | ibot e |
| 14:57.26 | ibot | i guess e is a little more than 2, but less than 3 or portuguese for and, or very roughly 2.71828182, or mc^2 |
| 14:57.33 | wethrin | hm |
| 14:57.44 | wethrin | ibot ln(2.7) |
| 14:59.10 | itsbruce | ibot 2^5 |
| 14:59.11 | ibot | 7 |
| 14:59.16 | itsbruce | Ah, no. |
| 14:59.20 | wethrin | err. no |
| 14:59.22 | wethrin | ibot 2**5 |
| 14:59.23 | ibot | 32 |
| 14:59.27 | wethrin | that's better |
| 15:05.47 | morsing | mc^2?? |
| 15:06.13 | morsing | wethrin: IT looks like ibot is using Python, no? |
| 15:06.44 | wethrin | I don't know |
| 15:06.55 | wethrin | rest mass * speed-of-light squared |
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| 15:10.07 | mozrat | hallo folks |
| 15:11.36 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 15:11.45 | morsing | Good to see you :-) |
| 15:12.23 | mozrat | hey hey morsing |
| 15:12.41 | mozrat | Happy new Year for about 2 weeks ago :/ |
| 15:13.13 | wethrin | mozrat: Fosdem? |
| 15:14.12 | mozrat | wethrin: no - just been kicking around here mainly |
| 15:14.20 | mozrat | haven't been anywhere |
| 15:14.54 | wethrin | mozrat: It's in February |
| 15:15.09 | mozrat | wethrin: ah, right :) I thought it hadn't been and gone already |
| 15:15.21 | skugg | ibot 1 - 0.1 + 0.1 |
| 15:15.22 | ibot | 1 |
| 15:15.33 | mozrat | no - I have a trip to New York and a trip to Siberia before end of Feb - can't squeeze in much more |
| 15:15.45 | wethrin | Lucky for some |
| 15:17.03 | mozrat | :) |
| 15:17.09 | mozrat | I can't complain |
| 15:18.45 | itsbruce | ibot -1**0.5 |
| 15:18.46 | ibot | -1 |
| 15:18.51 | itsbruce | Naughty ibot |
| 15:19.22 | wethrin | ibot (-1)**0.5 |
| 15:19.23 | ibot | nan |
| 15:19.47 | itsbruce | Heh |
| 15:20.08 | wethrin | ibot nan |
| 15:20.10 | ibot | it has been said that nan is how long it takes to compile noatun |
| 15:20.15 | wethrin | :-) |
| 15:47.16 | morsing | ibot aix |
| 15:47.17 | ibot | rumour has it, aix is the unix from the universe where Spock had a beard, or pronounced "aches", or more evil than HP-UX, or 'I can't believe it's not Unix'. Err, wait, it's IBM perverted bastard of Unix. the best Unix system around |
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| 15:57.01 | morsing | gregj!" |
| 15:57.22 | gregj | yez |
| 16:16.31 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.45 | Leeds | ibot is/was written in perl |
| 16:19.51 | morsing | Wot u sayin bregwins? |
| 16:20.57 | morsing | Big Tings'a'Gwanin |
| 16:24.46 | wethrin | morsing: Youth Hostel in Brussels, or are you splashing out for a hotel? |
| 16:25.07 | morsing | Youth Hostel is fine as long as we're not sharing with rhowe |
| 16:25.41 | wethrin | Maybe he won't get as drunk this year |
| 16:29.29 | morsing | wethrin: You promise? |
| 16:31.02 | morsing | Does this not check the line for the value $node_name? |
| 16:31.03 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.09 | morsing | Why doesn't it work? |
| 16:31.10 | wethrin | err |
| 16:32.29 | morsing | wethrin> |
| 16:33.07 | wethrin | Is that a regexp? |
| 16:34.44 | morsing | Yes. How do I print lines containing a word? |
| 16:34.59 | wethrin | grep "word" file |
| 16:35.11 | morsing | I've tried 'print $_ if /"word"/;' but it doesn't print anything |
| 16:35.24 | wethrin | Are you using Perl? |
| 16:35.28 | morsing | Yes |
| 16:35.32 | wethrin | Why not just use grep? |
| 16:35.48 | morsing | wethrin: Because I have to use perl (and it's better) |
| 16:36.03 | wethrin | Err. No. Perl is horrid |
| 16:36.07 | stephen | morsing: print $_ if /word/; # ? |
| 16:36.08 | wethrin | Why do you have to use it? |
| 16:36.45 | morsing | stephen: That worked this time. Thanks :-) |
| 16:36.49 | wethrin | morsing: So, Youth Hostel? |
| 16:37.49 | stephen | morsing: as for "next unless /^$node_name/;", remember that the ^$ will match lines that contain nothing, so if you're passing that regexp just one line at a time, it'll never match anything |
| 16:39.28 | Leeds | ugh, postconditions |
| 16:39.58 | wethrin | Was it goodpub? |
| 16:40.10 | Leeds | yeah, pretty good |
| 16:40.52 | Leeds | did Belgian, Phillipine and Danish beer, with an American-ish Brit. a Welsh-ish Chinese bloke, a couple of American Chinese-ish people... |
| 16:41.23 | wethrin | What a curious mix |
| 16:41.28 | Leeds | and tomorrow, dim sum lunch |
| 16:41.33 | wethrin | ooh |
| 16:41.57 | morsing | wethrin: Yes |
| 16:42.55 | morsing | stephen: That is in a script that works already. Remember that $node_name is a variable |
| 16:44.34 | stephen | morsing: you can do that with variables inside regexps? |
| 16:44.45 | morsing | stephen: Yes |
| 16:45.05 | stephen | morsing: oh, didn't realise that, cool |
| 16:50.27 | Leeds | for the record, and after it's finished here, I'm told that the 13th is lucky in China... and goodnight |
| 16:50.47 | wethrin | night! |
| 16:50.49 | rhowe | Yes, 13 is a lucky number in Chinese |
| 16:51.18 | Leeds | the doorman in my building made a point of telling me :-) |
| 16:52.10 | rhowe | "Amongst some Chinese people, it is regarded as a lucky number because it sounds similar to "實生", which means "must be alive". But this belief is not universal, or even known to all Chinese. Also, 13 is regarded as unlucky by those Chinese under the influence of foreign cultures." |
| 16:52.18 | rhowe | wikipedia++ |
| 16:53.37 | iTron | I thought 8 was the number considered to be most lucky? |
| 16:53.52 | rhowe | Yeah, but there are others |
| 16:54.04 | rhowe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology |
| 16:54.14 | iTron | Can't be arsed. |
| 16:54.22 | rhowe | heh, there's even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology |
| 16:54.38 | iTron | I reiterate my previous sentence. ;) |
| 16:56.44 | rhowe | ' the U.S. Legion of Merit award displays thirteen stars in a symmetrical, six-pointed "meta-star" arrangement.' |
| 16:56.48 | rhowe | meta-star?! |
| 17:35.13 | iTron | Heh |
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| 19:03.12 | andrew | hi there everyone |
| 19:03.44 | morsing | Hi |
| 19:44.36 | Cope | everning |
| 20:48.37 | Cope | ld1 6AD78F20 272.46GB Secondary RAID5 510Good |
| 20:49.02 | Cope | naughty mouse |
| 20:51.28 | wethrin | heh |
| 20:51.35 | Cope | ooh a wethrin |
| 20:51.37 | Cope | hoorah |
| 20:51.45 | wethrin | hello, a Cope |
| 20:52.32 | AndrewBlack | Hi Cope and wethrin |
| 20:52.40 | wethrin | And an Andrew! |
| 21:01.11 | Cope | groovy |
| 21:01.20 | Cope | I0:72% I1:86% I2:69% |
| 21:01.30 | Cope | come on, come on¬ |
| 21:01.34 | wethrin | Bittorrent? |
| 21:02.17 | Cope | building logical drives |
| 21:02.32 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 21:02.53 | wethrin | Should I have more tea? |
| 21:03.23 | Erwin | It's Friday night. Cut loose and drink all the tea you want! |
| 21:03.27 | Cope | You roll the Magic 8 ball for an answer... |
| 21:03.27 | Cope | The answer is, 'Maybe' |
| 21:03.42 | wethrin | Hurrah. Should it be nettle tea? |
| 21:03.44 | wethrin | Or some other sort? |
| 21:04.05 | Cope | You ask "should I drink Nettle Tea??" |
| 21:04.05 | Cope | You roll the Magic 8 ball for an answer... |
| 21:04.05 | Cope | The answer is, 'No' |
| 21:04.22 | wethrin | Oh. What about, errr, some other tea? |
| 21:04.56 | Cope | You ask "hrm, so, are you saying that actually I shouldn't have tea at all??" |
| 21:04.56 | Cope | You roll the Magic 8 ball for an answer... |
| 21:04.56 | Cope | The answer is, 'No' |
| 21:06.05 | Cope | You ask "should I go to the pub and get steaming instead?" |
| 21:06.05 | Cope | You roll the Magic 8 ball for an answer... |
| 21:06.05 | Cope | The answer is, 'Yes !' |
| 21:06.23 | wethrin | No. I've been to the pub for lunch |
| 21:06.35 | Cope | the magic 8 ball is wise |
| 21:07.09 | wethrin | I may be at the pub tomorrow |
| 21:08.23 | AndrewBlack | Do you guys use IRSSI |
| 21:08.32 | Cope | AndrewBlack: I do |
| 21:08.36 | wethrin | yes |
| 21:08.41 | Cope | AndrewBlack: always :) |
| 21:08.57 | Cope | irssi is the way of truth |
| 21:08.59 | AndrewBlack | I have 2 channels open, ctrl X changes what channel I am talking to but |
| 21:09.11 | Erwin | irssi tip of the day: /ignore -replies user all -- ignores not only annoying User *but* also all replies to him |
| 21:09.24 | wethrin | esc-N, where N ranges 1-9, and q-o will change windows |
| 21:09.34 | wethrin | Any more than that, and you need to use /win <n> |
| 21:10.08 | Cope | wethrin: esc and right and left arrows are handy too |
| 21:10.23 | z00dax | ctrl+n and ctrl+p ? to move through the windows ? |
| 21:10.28 | wethrin | And esc-A to switch between active windows |
| 21:10.38 | wethrin | z00dax: That's page-down and page-up respectively |
| 21:11.14 | z00dax | wethrin, right - on my laptop pgup and pgdown are quite far away to get to |
| 21:11.28 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:11.54 | z00dax | i have a .torrent running, thats going to take 408 hrs to finish, its only a 443mb file |
| 21:12.45 | wethrin | heh |
| 21:12.49 | AndrewBlack | esc , ctrl n dont do anything for me. |
| 21:13.36 | wethrin | Not ctrl-n |
| 21:13.38 | wethrin | esc-n |
| 21:14.24 | andrew | Ah - I only have one channel open so swapping doesnt do anything! |
| 21:14.31 | andrew | how do I open a second ? |
| 21:19.20 | wethrin | andrew: /join <other channel> |
| 21:19.32 | wethrin | /connect will allow you to join another server |
| 21:19.39 | wethrin | Try - /connect irc.perl.org |
| 21:21.08 | Cope | z00dax: ewwww |
| 21:22.50 | wethrin | heh |
| 21:23.01 | Cope | z00dax: erm, aren't you wandering around in london bridge? |
| 21:23.22 | Cope | z00dax: if not, come to the brunswick (near blackwall dlr) |
| 21:23.35 | Cope | clyphox will be there, and my friend john |
| 21:25.42 | wethrin | Cope: What tea should I have? |
| 21:27.51 | z00dax | Cope, am @baker street, random coffee shop - free WiFi |
| 21:31.24 | z00dax | Cope, how long are you there ? |
| 21:44.55 | Erwin | Heh, I think Brunswick is literally around the corner from where I live. Now if only I weren't trying to finish this piece of code for the California office.. |
| 21:45.32 | wethrin | hehe |
| 21:45.36 | wethrin | finish it tomorrow |
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| 22:11.10 | gary_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.32 | wethrin | what? |
| 22:11.50 | gary_ | Can anyone tell me how to get my window buttons to appear on my gnome panel? |
| 22:12.13 | wethrin | err. pass. I don't use Gnome |
| 22:12.28 | gary_ | It was meant for the ubuntu channel sorry |
| 22:12.34 | wethrin | Ahh :) |
| 22:12.36 | gary_ | how's it going by the way? |
| 22:12.53 | wethrin | Not too bad. Although sitting doing nothing this evening |
| 22:12.55 | wethrin | You? |
| 22:13.20 | gary_ | much the same |
| 22:13.45 | gary_ | have got to have a CT scan of my head tomorrow, so am nrevous about that |
| 22:13.52 | wethrin | eek :-/ |
| 22:13.57 | wethrin | Well, the CT scan is harmless in itself |
| 22:14.01 | wethrin | But hope you're okay |
| 22:15.29 | gary_ | I've had headaches, blurred vision and hearing difficulties since August and their getting worse. takes so long to get anything done on he NHS. am very worried |
| 22:15.45 | wethrin | :-/ |
| 22:15.46 | wethrin | Eek |
| 22:15.48 | wethrin | that's not good |
| 22:18.02 | gary_ | indeed. I'm on antidepressants because I'm constantly anxious about it. |
| 22:18.36 | gary_ | It seems you've got to be virtually dead before they'll do hurry |
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| 22:46.45 | George | sausages. |
| 22:47.10 | wethrin | SOSSIDGES |
| 23:07.30 | JAV | http://spadassin.blogspot.com/2005/11/webmasters-who-didnt-think-when-they.html |
| 23:11.06 | George | wethrin: a friend of my mum's gave me 200 quid! :D |
| 23:11.13 | wethrin | Err....why? |
| 23:12.36 | George | wethrin: probably something to do with the offer and chinese new year |
| 23:12.48 | wethrin | ah, okay |
| 23:15.37 | George | :D :D :D |