| 00:03.17 | Leeds | http://jabphone.com/ - gtalk (jingle) to pstn |
| 00:06.40 | z00dax | btw, I just realised that the updated pics on maps.google.co.uk ( from my part of town ) are atleast 4 - 5 years old |
| 00:09.29 | wethrin | Night all |
| 00:09.41 | z00dax | wethrin, nite |
| 00:10.47 | Leeds | night |
| 00:11.23 | Leeds | for the record, while Leeds, London and Hong Kong all appear to have nice new pictures, Sri Lanka doesn't seem to |
| 00:11.25 | JAV | nice error in Virgin's web site |
| 00:11.38 | JAV | I'll try tomorrow |
| 00:16.15 | Leeds | which Virgin? |
| 00:17.26 | JAV | virgin-express.co |
| 00:17.27 | JAV | m |
| 00:19.14 | JAV | I tried to book a flight to brussels (fosdem) |
| 00:21.45 | Leeds | ah, never tried that Virgin |
| 00:24.37 | JAV | Madrid-brussels (2 ways) +-90 euros |
| 00:28.42 | JAV | relaxed choosing of days and hours |
| 00:29.56 | rhowe | anyone interested in the spreadsheet I just knocked up for calculating the cost of living in a London flat? |
| 00:30.21 | rhowe | It assumes the only form of public transport is the tube, and that you're looking for a flat for me and Jia |
| 00:34.08 | Leeds | you're offering her around now? |
| 00:36.16 | rhowe | not at all, she's mine all mine! |
| 00:36.50 | Leeds | bah :-) showertime |
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| 00:50.35 | Leeds | morning angelchild |
| 00:51.39 | angelchild | morning Leeds |
| 00:52.36 | Leeds | how are you? |
| 00:53.02 | angelchild | I'm alright, feel good because I've been revising, feel bad because my brain won't shut up and leave me alone with my thoughts |
| 00:53.06 | angelchild | how're you? |
| 00:54.44 | Leeds | not bad... cousins/bosses back in town for a few days, so typically paranoid about that, but looking forward to the 4-day weekend :-) |
| 00:56.07 | Leeds | on the other hand, I seem to have fallen into a new, hyper-active, social group - out drinking every night, etc. - which is nice, but tiring |
| 00:56.19 | angelchild | :) |
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| 00:57.56 | Leeds | to reiterate - 4-day weekend, woohoo! |
| 01:03.29 | angelchild | \o/ |
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| 01:23.46 | George | my computer is unbearably loud |
| 01:24.52 | Leeds | just like its owner then |
| 01:29.16 | George | aww |
| 01:29.21 | George | so kind |
| 01:29.36 | Leeds | ibot change 6525 hkd to gbp |
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| 03:16.44 | Leeds | from a random Chinese girl on ICQ: "oh,my eyes are full of beautiful as well as admire" |
| 05:35.03 | Leeds | oh, I have such an exciting life... someone has just called for a weekly board games night :-) |
| 05:35.25 | new2unix | moin all |
| 05:51.55 | Leeds | good morning |
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| 07:40.39 | Leeds | the question is, who do you call to do a post-mortem on a whale? |
| 07:43.25 | murb | did the corner order a post-mortem? |
| 07:43.34 | murb | or are they just doing it for fun? |
| 07:43.47 | murb | "killed by over ethustiastic rescuers" |
| 07:46.04 | Leeds | I suspect it's a legal requirement |
| 07:46.43 | Leeds | preotected species, under unusual circumstances and so on |
| 07:47.15 | SlayerXP | marine life forms in "rarely florish out of water" *shocker* |
| 07:50.21 | murb | Leeds: are they protected? |
| 07:50.48 | murb | couldn't they just say it died for scientific reasearch and then deliver it to the japenese embassy? |
| 07:52.42 | Leeds | dave cantrell managed to get a letter published on the reg saying, effectively, 'screw the Japanese, I'll eat it if no-one else wants it. Mmmm.... whale...." |
| 07:54.54 | murb | hmm cigmorfin |
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| 08:00.15 | Leeds | morsing... |
| 08:00.20 | morsing | Leeds... |
| 08:00.28 | morsing | Leeds: Happy today? |
| 08:00.54 | Leeds | not bad, thanks... |
| 08:00.58 | Leeds | have you ever eaten whale? |
| 08:04.08 | SlayerXP | do you want fries with that? |
| 08:04.26 | Leeds | yes please |
| 08:04.34 | Leeds | not kosher though... |
| 08:04.39 | SlayerXP | pandas are shit |
| 08:05.19 | Leeds | how so? |
| 08:05.33 | Leeds | apart from their seeming complete lack of sex drive, of course |
| 08:05.54 | morsing | Leeds: I beleive I've tried dried whale meat yes |
| 08:07.38 | SlayerXP | no species should need help to breed |
| 08:08.32 | Leeds | morsing: and how was it? |
| 08:10.28 | morsing | Leeds: Disgusting. Like eating someones foot |
| 08:11.48 | Leeds | and the usual question at this point is... |
| 08:12.11 | morsing | Check it? |
| 08:12.57 | Leeds | how do you know what eating someone's foot is like? |
| 08:13.22 | murb | Leeds: do we really want to know? |
| 08:13.38 | Leeds | murb: apparently it's like eating dried whale meat |
| 08:14.20 | murb | Leeds: autocanabalism? |
| 08:14.26 | murb | is that then you eat your car? |
| 08:14.32 | Leeds | ear? |
| 08:15.17 | murb | Leeds: i was wondering how morsing could have legally eatern human flesh. |
| 08:16.54 | Leeds | he's a foreigner - who knows what strange laws they have in the frozen wastes and sandy beaches of Denmark? |
| 08:17.34 | Leeds | hmm... 5 explosions in Colombo overnight :-( |
| 08:20.52 | Leeds | on a different note, anyone got any thoughts on http://www.unixshell.com - US-based Xen hosting? |
| 08:22.41 | murb | are they running xen 3 which isn't really production ready or xen2 which doesn't fully support their hardware. |
| 08:23.54 | Leeds | from their forums, they had a serious power cut last week, and when they came back up they put some of their servers on xen3 - others are xen2 |
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| 08:26.09 | murb | I've had one poweroutage in Redbus, which happened when a redbus employee was replacing a machine in the rack. |
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| 08:58.25 | Leeds | hmm... does it cost someone if I click on their google ad? |
| 08:59.08 | SlayerXP | if it's a sponsered link, yes |
| 08:59.17 | Leeds | it is |
| 08:59.21 | SlayerXP | then it does |
| 08:59.35 | Leeds | shouldn't really click on friends' links then :-) |
| 09:00.03 | SlayerXP | the gllug website _still_ doesn't link to the FAQ |
| 09:00.36 | Leeds | there's a gllug website? |
| 09:00.45 | SlayerXP | http://www.gllug.org.uk/ |
| 09:00.50 | SlayerXP | fsvo website |
| 09:01.22 | murb | did someone break the wiki? |
| 09:02.16 | Leeds | yes |
| 09:07.29 | Cope | good morning |
| 09:07.35 | murb | not really. |
| 09:14.37 | Leeds | hmm... .au day tomorrow |
| 09:16.56 | murb | find / -type f -name \*.au -print0 | xargs -r0 cat >/dev/audio ? |
| 09:17.50 | Leeds | summat like that, aye |
| 09:38.09 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:38.45 | Leeds | cock it: |
| 09:42.11 | Cope | the game's getting hard |
| 09:44.52 | morsing | Mmm... game |
| 09:45.01 | morsing | Leeds: Sorry, was that inappropriate? |
| 09:45.45 | Leeds | nothing wrong with a nice pheasant or rabbit, no |
| 09:50.25 | morsing | Can someone recommend an insurance company? |
| 09:51.21 | Leeds | avoid Abbey National |
| 09:51.30 | morsing | Good - keep'em coming |
| 09:51.44 | morsing | Avoid Chriss Knott as well - check |
| 09:52.35 | Leeds | kung hei fat choi |
| 09:54.28 | Leeds | "joedj nags: shrug, sucks to be you. don't use threads. i'm going to the pub :)" |
| 09:56.48 | Cope | Leeds: itym gong xi fa cai |
| 09:57.23 | Cope | Leeds: or not... |
| 09:57.59 | Leeds | that was a phonetic spelling of what was just said to me... |
| 10:06.58 | Cope | aha |
| 10:07.02 | Cope | i misread it |
| 10:08.10 | Cope | I think, but not sure, kung hei fat choi is catonese for happy new year. |
| 10:08.22 | Cope | gong xi fa cai being mandarin for the same |
| 10:09.09 | Leeds | right |
| 10:09.30 | Leeds | it would be easier if they'd all just speak English... |
| 10:10.00 | Cope | or we all spoke chinese |
| 10:11.09 | Leeds | wouldn't help if you spoke Mandarin and I spoke Cantonese |
| 10:12.24 | Cope | no |
| 10:13.02 | Leeds | whereas, as we well know, there is only one English, united and eternal |
| 10:18.02 | Leeds | http://www.mayfieldiow.freewire.co.uk/watershp/ |
| 10:23.08 | SlayerXP | Cope: I suggest using the tactic I do when dealing with oracle |
| 10:28.25 | morsing | SlayerXP: No! |
| 10:28.34 | morsing | Installing exim instead wont work! |
| 10:28.48 | Cope | SlayerXP: install postgres? |
| 10:29.19 | SlayerXP | Cope: correct. |
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| 10:30.37 | Leeds | kbsingh? |
| 10:31.03 | kbsingh | Leeds ? |
| 10:31.52 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:31.58 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 10:33.12 | Cope | woo kbsingh |
| 10:35.01 | kbsingh | hey Cope |
| 10:35.41 | kbsingh | it took me just 2 hrs to get into work today, its wonderful to be able to spend time with myself in the car, first thing in the morning. |
| 10:36.33 | Leeds | listening to music? :-) |
| 10:37.36 | kbsingh | actually, i hate sitting in traffic first thing in the morning |
| 10:38.08 | kbsingh | but yes, listening to lots of nice music |
| 10:39.26 | morsing | MMm... music |
| 10:39.51 | morsing | That reminds me... |
| 10:39.56 | kbsingh | I've now started recognising fellow commuters |
| 10:40.28 | kbsingh | specially this very lovely looking girl in a z3 |
| 10:40.41 | morsing | When I originally ripped a CD with ripit, it used lame to convert to mp3. This work fine on my car stereo |
| 10:41.16 | morsing | I can't get it to do this anymore and if I run lame manually it converts to a different mp3 format that the player can't understand |
| 10:41.21 | morsing | What has happened? |
| 10:41.29 | morsing | I can't find any options on lame for this |
| 10:42.40 | morsing | Hello? |
| 10:42.50 | kbsingh | odd. vbr / cbr issue ? or does the stereo need a specific bitrate ? |
| 10:43.42 | morsing | kbsingh, no, but when I hover over the new mp3s in Konquerer it says the new ones are MPEG 1.0 v II where the olds one don't say anything |
| 10:43.52 | morsing | 'file' can't tell the difference though |
| 10:44.05 | morsing | kbsingh: bitrate is 128 on both types |
| 10:44.10 | Leeds | they are mp2 rather than mp3? |
| 10:44.17 | morsing | Are they? |
| 10:44.27 | morsing | So why can't lame create mp3 anymore? |
| 10:44.39 | Leeds | I don't know - that's what the ? sign on the end of my sentence meant |
| 10:45.02 | morsing | Leeds: Your sentence should have been "Are they mp2 rather than mp3?" |
| 10:45.34 | Leeds | nope |
| 10:45.37 | morsing | Yes |
| 10:45.43 | morsing | That wasn't correct english |
| 10:45.50 | morsing | Is this what HK does to you? |
| 10:47.28 | Leeds | aye |
| 10:47.35 | Leeds | it was rhetorical English |
| 10:48.29 | morsing | Leeds: What did your teacher tell you about using rhetorical english in writing? |
| 10:48.45 | Leeds | I wasn't asking a factual question, I was suggesting a possible answer to the original question, in the form of a rhetorical question |
| 10:49.02 | Leeds | I consider IRC to be spoken, not written |
| 10:49.22 | Leeds | or better, to be a hybrid |
| 10:50.19 | kbsingh | morsing, --strictly-enforce-ISO |
| 10:50.21 | kbsingh | try that |
| 10:51.44 | kbsingh | in LAME version 3.96.1, I've just done a 'lame infile.wav infile.mp3' and its given me a mp3 file, not a mp2 |
| 10:53.21 | morsing | kbsingh: Thanks |
| 10:53.47 | Leeds | morsing: it's fixed? |
| 10:55.09 | morsing | Leeds: No - I was only thanking for the suggestion |
| 10:55.47 | Leeds | morsing: you should be more precise in your speech, perhaps? |
| 10:56.39 | morsing | Leeds: :-) |
| 10:56.52 | morsing | Leeds: You're so sensitive :-P |
| 10:56.57 | Leeds | I should stop this now, maybe? |
| 10:57.18 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 10:57.38 | morsing | Leeds: A more serious question: How are you coping in HK? |
| 10:57.49 | Leeds | what sort of coping? |
| 10:58.19 | morsing | Well, being far away from home, living there, working there... |
| 10:58.40 | morsing | Trying to not get depresed |
| 10:58.40 | SlayerXP | being far away from home is the main reason I'm in norway |
| 10:58.47 | Leeds | pretty well, I think |
| 10:58.52 | morsing | SlayerXP: Yes - an we all appriciate that |
| 10:58.57 | morsing | s/an/and/ |
| 10:58.58 | murb | morsing: are you depressed being in the uk? |
| 10:59.18 | morsing | murb: Not really but I can go home for the weekend plus the culture is similar |
| 10:59.20 | SlayerXP | Cope: give it back |
| 10:59.26 | Cope | hehe |
| 10:59.31 | Cope | its quite a nice polo shirt |
| 10:59.34 | Cope | and a very nice pen! |
| 10:59.37 | Leeds | fscking php |
| 10:59.50 | morsing | Leeds: You think? |
| 11:01.03 | Leeds | morsing: about HK? yeah... I find my way around pretty easily - I've fallen into a social group in the past 6 weeks or so which is exhausting me... |
| 11:01.55 | Leeds | the main issue is still work |
| 11:01.56 | Cope | diplomats and the like |
| 11:02.03 | Cope | snorting cocaine off model's arses |
| 11:02.28 | Leeds | he wasn't a diplomat, really, just a civil servant |
| 11:02.32 | morsing | Leeds: What the bra industry is not satifying you? |
| 11:02.41 | morsing | Leeds: What's the work issue? |
| 11:03.21 | Leeds | mainly the question of just what I'm here for |
| 11:03.54 | Leeds | but now it's hometime |
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| 11:13.20 | morsing | Encoding as 44.1 kHz 128 kbps j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) qval=3 |
| 11:13.22 | morsing | Woohoo! |
| 11:13.31 | morsing | kbsingh: Is that correct? |
| 11:13.51 | kbsingh | morsing, sould be |
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| 11:15.38 | morsing | kuesse_! |
| 11:15.44 | morsing | ReplayGain: -5.1dB |
| 11:15.48 | morsing | What does that mean? |
| 11:17.02 | kbsingh | kinda like 'recording level' |
| 11:17.20 | morsing | Why -5.1db? |
| 11:18.19 | kbsingh | dunno, i've never looked it closely. you can disable it if you want |
| 11:27.00 | boudiccas | kbsingh; i'm just getting set up with a centos bug account as i've now had 2 crashes using the new kernel where i suddenly get dumped out to x restarting |
| 11:27.23 | boudiccas | so i've rebooted and am using the previous kernel |
| 11:27.54 | kbsingh | boudiccas, is this 22.0.2.EL ? |
| 11:28.26 | boudiccas | the most recent one |
| 11:28.48 | boudiccas | it seems to be being triggered by moving the cursor to the edge of the screen |
| 11:29.27 | kbsingh | errr ? |
| 11:29.45 | kbsingh | what mouse do you have ? |
| 11:30.28 | boudiccas | no error message just a dump out to where you can input startx. mouse = dexxa, ps2 from memory, just the same as i've been using on this machine for the last 2 years |
| 11:32.20 | Cope | boudiccas: is this 3 or 4? |
| 11:32.28 | boudiccas | 4.2 |
| 11:33.21 | kbsingh | ati card ? |
| 11:33.23 | boudiccas | with kde 3.5.0 from kde-redhat |
| 11:35.36 | boudiccas | ah, the mouse is a ps/2 logitech wheel mouse, graphics card i'm not sure of |
| 11:36.30 | kbsingh | boudiccas, file a bug, attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file there as well |
| 11:36.39 | boudiccas | k, ty |
| 11:37.52 | boudiccas | kbsingh; video card is a SiS 315 |
| 11:44.28 | morsing | Gonzo! |
| 13:03.23 | Cope | ibot lart meta-talk |
| 13:03.54 | Cope | I need to have a conversation with $person about having a conversation with $other_person |
| 13:04.03 | Cope | JUST SAY TALK TO |
| 13:07.49 | Erwin | Oops. I discovered that my NI number, which I thought had been 4 months under processing, was actually issued 6 days after my interview. But they sent it to the wrong address. How the heck can they do that when I filled in a form electronically? |
| 13:08.07 | Erwin | Though I'm not even sure what need I have of that NI thing. |
| 13:14.20 | morsing | Erwin: You need it to get/have a job |
| 13:17.29 | Erwin | Well, my US employer doesn't care much :-) I haven't paid any tax yet either, I look forward to a giant bill :) |
| 13:18.43 | morsing | Mmm... Reminds me of my £477 tax bill I just recieved. |
| 13:18.54 | morsing | It doesn't say how I'm supposed to pay it. |
| 13:19.44 | Erwin | Why did you get one? Doesn't the tax year end in April? Are you self-employed? |
| 13:21.22 | murb | Erwin: if he was inadverntely self employed without telling them thjey'd add an extra 100 quid fine. |
| 13:24.10 | murb | morsing: they normally send me a direct debit form + invoice. |
| 13:24.23 | murb | like i'm going to sign up to direct debit when they never get their bills correct first time.. |
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| 13:29.37 | Nikjack | I want to do a project help me please |
| 13:30.40 | kbsingh | who's the 'they' that send the tax bill, and how do 'they' know what your income has been and from where ? |
| 13:30.41 | murb | kbsingh: normally you do a tax return. |
| 13:30.42 | Nikjack | ok |
| 13:34.46 | kbsingh | sure |
| 13:35.40 | Nikjack | where are u |
| 13:37.05 | morsing | Erwin, murb They just sent me a letter out of nowhere with no instructions |
| 13:37.37 | Erwin | Hmm. I thought this self-assesment and tax claim thing was only if you were self-employed or (looking at the site) in the 40% bracket |
| 13:37.45 | morsing | Nikjack: How can we help? |
| 13:40.10 | murb | Erwin: or have foreign income etc |
| 13:40.29 | murb | or have to pay captial gains etc. |
| 13:52.01 | Cope | Nikjack: a bit (lot) more detail would help. |
| 13:56.23 | morsing | What is PDS cable? |
| 13:59.51 | murb | it is used to by form SED members to die up their polical opponents. |
| 13:59.54 | murb | er |
| 14:00.21 | rhowe | murb: Know anyone who might do a 1U box like the 2nd one in the table here for about £200? http://h18006.www1.hp.com/storage/tapestorage/rackmount.html |
| 14:01.09 | murb | rhowe: just the box? |
| 14:01.10 | rhowe | murb: Well, could be bigger than 1U, doesn't matter. Just has to have mounting points for 2 front-facing SCSI devices (tape drives), rear SCSI connector(s), internal cables and PSU |
| 14:01.25 | SlayerXP | JAV: use debian |
| 14:01.27 | JAV | Fosdem or carnival (here) |
| 14:01.30 | rhowe | murb: Yeah.. I can get the HP box with drive for £1250, or I can get a bare drive for ~£900 |
| 14:01.36 | JAV | SlayerXP: I already use debian! :D |
| 14:02.04 | murb | rhowe: just avoid dell kit if you can help it. |
| 14:02.11 | JAV | I just discovered it's the same weekend |
| 14:02.17 | rhowe | murb: It's only a box, how bad could it be? :P |
| 14:02.36 | murb | rhowe: dell build to order so if you have a failure and they can't fit it on site you are without a machine for ages. |
| 14:03.51 | SlayerXP | i avoid buying dell in the same way that I avoid buying sexually transmitted diseases |
| 14:04.06 | SlayerXP | you'd be too ashamed to tell your friends |
| 14:05.34 | rhowe | nope, dell don't sell empty boxes |
| 14:05.36 | morsing | Dells are brilliant |
| 14:06.33 | SlayerXP | dell kits ships with nothing but obsoltete processors |
| 14:07.08 | SlayerXP | "yes, please sell me a computer with a processor that costs twice as much for half the processing power" |
| 14:07.22 | SlayerXP | "p.s. I am also interested in buying Apple hardware" |
| 14:55.10 | morsing | 14:31 < JonathanD> I wanna run aix on my coffeepot, can someone help me? |
| 14:56.27 | morsing | What does htis mean in terms of mp2 or mp3: |
| 14:56.28 | morsing | 01 About A Girl.mp3: mp3 file with ID3 2.0 tag |
| 14:57.59 | Erwin | What part? There are two standards for ID3 tags which contains stuff like artist name/ album/ genre |
| 14:58.51 | morsing | Well, does that look like mp2 or mp3? |
| 14:58.59 | morsing | What's ID3 2.0 tag |
| 14:59.17 | Erwin | It's mp3, since it says mp3 file |
| 14:59.57 | kbsingh | morsing, why not play it with mpg321 ? that will give you details, if not initially - then with a -v it would |
| 15:01.04 | Erwin | Anyone using an NFS client under Windows? |
| 15:03.33 | SlayerXP | Erwin: some poor tortured souls are, I'm sure. |
| 15:04.46 | Erwin | I'm thinking of exporting part of my application dataspace as an NFS share. I'd like to do it with WebDav, but that's limited to Office files apparently, the editor that my users use doesn't support WebDav |
| 15:06.38 | morsing | Erwin: It's fool me before. I don't think 'file' can tell the difference |
| 15:07.17 | Erwin | Well, it has a comprehensive database |
| 15:08.11 | morsing | kbsingh: mpg123 just throws an error about the sound devcie |
| 15:10.08 | morsing | kbsingh: Ahh... I think you meant -t |
| 15:10.09 | morsing | MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo |
| 15:10.36 | morsing | So that's mp3 then! |
| 16:26.51 | morsing | O dodm'y leave? |
| 16:28.48 | kbsingh | morsing, cool |
| 16:29.06 | morsing | Eh? |
| 16:32.32 | kbsingh | w.r.t mp3 being an mp3 |
| 16:44.53 | morsing | Is there a SQL command that will get me the total space used by a node in TSM? |
| 16:58.58 | morsing | Cope? |
| 17:22.56 | morsing | Qmail sucks! |
| 17:23.05 | morsing | We just found out what the problem is!!! |
| 17:24.34 | morsing | When it sends mail it launches up to #concurrentoutbound connections to deliver one mail each |
| 17:24.59 | morsing | BUT it then won't send more until all these connections have died down |
| 17:25.08 | kbsingh | yes, i agree. qmail sucks |
| 17:25.12 | morsing | and it then launches another #concurrentoutbound connections |
| 17:25.28 | morsing | How stupid is that? |
| 17:25.31 | kbsingh | wait |
| 17:25.57 | kbsingh | you mean it starts (eg) 15, and if one of them blocks for 20 seconds, even with other 14 down, it wont initiate any more ? |
| 17:26.32 | morsing | kbsingh: Exactly! |
| 17:26.42 | kbsingh | genius! |
| 17:26.48 | kbsingh | djb strikes again! |
| 17:26.49 | morsing | That's why we see queues of 200.000 emails! |
| 17:28.28 | morsing | Well, I've gotta go! |
| 17:29.45 | SlayerXP | qmail belongs in the pile of software that contains sendmail, mysql, php and all RPM based distros |
| 17:30.05 | SlayerXP | the pile marked "Fun for a while, but we've grown up now, sorry" |
| 17:31.16 | kbsingh | you mean the pile started by brain dead pkg managers like apt ? |
| 17:31.38 | SlayerXP | oh, and CVS |
| 17:31.50 | kbsingh | oh yes, cvs. yes. onto same pile |
| 17:32.19 | SlayerXP | and enlightenment |
| 17:32.53 | kbsingh | havent used that in a while- last time i saw it, way too much eye candy |
| 17:40.15 | George | that's my first pure maths module for further maths done |
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| 19:55.28 | Cope | my bytemark machine died |
| 19:55.37 | z00dax | using 261MB of ram is not a good idea for an irc proxy |
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| 20:21.04 | Cope | morsing! |
| 20:23.38 | George | sausages! |
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| 21:55.40 | wethrin | Great Scott! |
| 21:55.52 | Cope | it was next to Great Queen Street |
| 21:56.14 | Cope | wethrin: send my watch! |
| 21:56.37 | wethrin | Cope: I'm doing a batch sending of stuff on Friday |
| 22:07.44 | George | sausages! |
| 22:09.24 | wethrin | I'm not sending sossidges! |
| 22:22.10 | George | :D |
| 22:23.30 | wethrin | I have venison sasuages in the freezer, though |
| 22:28.34 | George | :D |
| 22:28.42 | wethrin | They're verrah tasty when cooked |
| 22:29.14 | George | hrmm |
| 22:29.47 | wethrin | They're a bit crunchy when frozen |
| 22:30.21 | George | hrmmm |
| 22:30.28 | Cope | something very fishy going on with my machine |
| 22:30.36 | wethrin | a haddock? |
| 22:31.00 | Cope | I can't su to root, or log in, or spawn another screen session |
| 22:31.13 | Cope | only log I see is indicating can't stat /var/log/lastlog |
| 22:31.26 | Cope | but since I can't become root, I can't touch it |
| 22:31.31 | wethrin | hrm |
| 22:31.33 | wethrin | disk space? |
| 22:31.39 | Cope | this reminds me of auditd problems, when /var gets too big |
| 22:31.45 | Cope | but I have 3G of space |
| 22:31.50 | wethrin | should be plenty |
| 22:31.53 | Cope | indeed |
| 22:32.34 | Cope | nothing is chewing resources |
| 22:32.53 | Cope | it just looks like a process which needs to log can't log, and therefore gets stuck |
| 22:32.57 | wethrin | reboot? |
| 22:33.04 | Cope | did that 2 hours ago |
| 22:33.23 | Cope | and I could log in... now i can't |
| 22:33.31 | wethrin | hrmm |
| 22:33.35 | wethrin | Permissions? |
| 22:33.43 | Cope | nothing's changed |
| 22:33.51 | Cope | i've not done anything |
| 22:34.25 | wethrin | omg d00d. y00v b33n h4xxx0r3d!!!!11!! |
| 22:34.29 | Cope | lol |
| 22:36.14 | SlayerXP | Cope: sounds like the admin needs a LART |
| 22:36.56 | Cope | hmm |
| 22:37.20 | Cope | can't see how lastlog would just vanish |
| 22:37.25 | Cope | unless some twat deleted it |
| 22:37.28 | George | I need to actually do some work at some point |
| 22:37.58 | wethrin | Cope: Blame George |
| 22:38.02 | George | :( |
| 22:38.10 | George | but but but I'm special |
| 22:38.16 | wethrin | indeed |
| 22:38.30 | George | and perfect |
| 22:38.45 | wethrin | Look what you've made him do |
| 22:40.53 | George | ? |
| 22:41.06 | wethrin | He went off |
| 22:41.34 | George | awww |
| 22:41.37 | George | but I'm perfect |
| 22:41.38 | George | in every way |
| 22:41.45 | George | I'm more perfect than Mary Poppins |
| 22:42.56 | wethrin | Do you sing as well? |
| 22:43.32 | George | yes! |
| 22:44.21 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 22:44.52 | George | yay |
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