| 01:04.29 | Erwin | OK, any Spooks episode involving computers are just hopeless. Stealing 20 billion dollars of IMF Funds by using the password of a low-level clerk, from a laptop over the Internet? Sheesh. |
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| 06:23.24 | SlayerXP | completely unrealistic |
| 06:23.35 | SlayerXP | had they done it over AOL is might be believable |
| 06:24.27 | Leeds | what's that then? |
| 06:24.57 | SlayerXP | i'm told it's a bit like the internet, but faster |
| 06:25.44 | Leeds | what are you talking about? |
| 06:26.41 | SlayerXP | you don't do much trolling, do you? :) |
| 06:27.15 | Leeds | not so much |
| 06:27.22 | Leeds | but I feel like I'm missing a lot of context |
| 06:27.46 | SlayerXP | i'd explain but you're probably too intelligent to understand |
| 06:29.07 | Leeds | http://www.saffron-cruises.com/fireworks_hong_kong.php |
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| 07:35.42 | Leeds | ooh, this could be painful |
| 07:35.55 | Leeds | spamd eating all the memory on my system, so I've turned it off for a bit |
| 08:45.42 | Leeds | ibot what time is it in London right now? |
| 08:45.45 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, Leeds |
| 08:45.53 | Leeds | ibot gmt |
| 08:45.54 | ibot | Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/. Greenwich Mean Time |
| 08:45.58 | Leeds | ibot time |
| 08:45.59 | ibot | 2006.01.26 8:45:59 GMT |
| 08:49.57 | SlayerXP | Leeds: why is it doing that? |
| 08:50.18 | Leeds | what? |
| 08:50.30 | SlayerXP | <Leeds> spamd eating all the memory on my system, so I've turned it off for a bit |
| 08:51.05 | Leeds | dunno... I've upgraded it, and it's eating less memory, but the free memory is going down and I don't know how to see where it's going - this is freebsd, I know on Linux |
| 08:51.33 | SlayerXP | free memory is wsted memory |
| 08:51.36 | SlayerXP | wasted |
| 08:51.53 | wethrin | SlayerXP: It gets very very drunk? |
| 08:51.56 | Leeds | and in about 8 minutes, I'll see if whatever dragged the system down on the last hour does it again |
| 08:52.11 | SlayerXP | wethrin: exactly. |
| 08:52.20 | Leeds | I don't mind if it's going somewhere, but I had spamd processes with over 500MB of memory in use |
| 08:52.34 | Leeds | d'apartment? |
| 08:52.39 | SlayerXP | Leeds: you should limit the size of the messages passed to spamd |
| 08:52.50 | SlayerXP | spam is only very rarely more than a few k in size |
| 08:53.19 | murb | anyone know how much ssl certs cost now days? |
| 08:53.27 | Leeds | it's limited to 256KB |
| 08:53.39 | SlayerXP | murb: free --> $$$$$ |
| 08:53.41 | murb | Leeds: so it was just being leaking. |
| 08:53.47 | murb | s/ing/y/ |
| 08:53.48 | SlayerXP | Leeds: too high |
| 08:54.00 | murb | SlayerXP: something that most webbrowsers will work with i mean. |
| 08:54.11 | SlayerXP | murb: yes. what I said. |
| 08:54.17 | Leeds | murb: $28 per year from Jason, reselling someone who is reselling godaddy |
| 08:54.26 | murb | I rember 80$ being about that much, but i can't find anyone selling them for less than 180$ |
| 08:54.42 | murb | Leeds: i had some idea that it was like that but nothing on ukpost.com |
| 08:54.44 | Leeds | bey leaking? yes, I think so |
| 08:54.49 | Leeds | http://www.ukfsn.org/extras/ |
| 08:56.02 | murb | danke. |
| 08:56.09 | Leeds | bitte |
| 08:58.33 | Leeds | murb: they do work, but you need to install an intermediate cert on your server |
| 08:59.24 | murb | what is that? |
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| 09:00.46 | Leeds | the cert is not signed by a CA - it's signed by a cert which is signed by a CA, so you need to provide the intermediate cert on your server as well to allow people to track the signing back to a trusted CA |
| 09:01.04 | morsing | Leeds: Ok |
| 09:01.08 | murb | oh, otherwise they don't see the trust path. |
| 09:01.11 | Leeds | right |
| 09:01.16 | Leeds | morning morsing ;-) |
| 09:01.25 | morsing | 'morning |
| 09:01.32 | Leeds | quit your job to live off the proceeds of your rigged lottery tomorrow yet? |
| 09:01.41 | morsing | Not yet |
| 09:01.53 | murb | oh i asked about euro millions yesterdsy, nobody had ever heard of it. |
| 09:01.59 | murb | and are the prizes tax free? |
| 09:02.00 | Leeds | are you allowed to play the euromillions? |
| 09:02.07 | morsing | Leeds: I'm not |
| 09:02.20 | Leeds | so you'll have to quit your job between rigging it and winning it, right? |
| 09:02.22 | morsing | murb: Germany is not a part of Euromillions |
| 09:02.30 | morsing | Danes have never heard of it either |
| 09:02.33 | murb | morsing: so why is it called *Euro* millions? |
| 09:02.37 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 09:02.48 | murb | if it just works in uk ireland and a few other insignificant countires. |
| 09:02.50 | morsing | murb: Because it a lottery for european countries |
| 09:02.53 | murb | morsing: can you buy tickets on line? |
| 09:02.59 | morsing | Noone can *force* a country to join! |
| 09:02.59 | murb | morsing: so why do they exclude countries? |
| 09:03.05 | Leeds | ibot change 100000000 gbp to hkd |
| 09:03.07 | morsing | We don't |
| 09:03.11 | Leeds | morsing: how much is a ticket anyway? |
| 09:03.15 | morsing | 1.50 |
| 09:03.20 | murb | well with a free market you'd think people would let you join. |
| 09:03.29 | morsing | murb: It's 9 countries |
| 09:03.32 | murb | i mean sell them in any place. |
| 09:03.38 | Leeds | I assume you can pick your numbers or take a lucky dip? |
| 09:03.44 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 09:03.52 | Leeds | they are into their lotteries over here - nothing like as big as that though |
| 09:03.58 | murb | Leeds: i bet the lucky dip is rigged. |
| 09:04.02 | morsing | murb: Of course you can buy online |
| 09:04.04 | murb | to make the rollovers bigger! |
| 09:04.08 | murb | morsing: url? |
| 09:04.14 | murb | and is the prize tax free? |
| 09:04.15 | morsing | www.national-lottery.co.uk |
| 09:04.20 | Leeds | can *anyone* buy online? |
| 09:04.27 | morsing | murb: Not in the UK |
| 09:04.29 | Leeds | residency, location, etc.? |
| 09:04.47 | morsing | Leeds: To buy on our website you need a UK address and bank account |
| 09:04.58 | Leeds | hmm... should I resell some tickets to people here? :-) |
| 09:05.08 | morsing | Leeds: Yes! |
| 09:06.10 | murb | morsing: the website claims you must be in the uk. |
| 09:06.34 | murb | it would be a bit pointless if i won then camalot said fuck off you don't live here. |
| 09:07.45 | Leeds | ditto |
| 09:08.31 | murb | sod it if i win 100m i will live in the uk. |
| 09:08.38 | Leeds | I wouldn't! |
| 09:08.57 | Leeds | I'd live on my own fucking island :-) |
| 09:09.13 | murb | Leeds: well for long enough to avoid paying tax anyway :-) |
| 09:09.33 | Leeds | just buy an island here... HK$1.385billion should be enough |
| 09:15.10 | Leeds | hmm... seems like maybe Hamas won the Palestinian elections |
| 09:20.51 | morsing | murb: Well, yes. As I just mentioned |
| 09:21.11 | morsing | murb: All they want is an address and a bank account |
| 09:21.26 | murb | morsing: i guessing the requirements might be a bit tougher if you w in. |
| 09:21.41 | morsing | Leeds: How much would it cost to buy HK? |
| 09:22.02 | murb | many many billions. |
| 09:22.36 | murb | or just become a colonial power and borrow it. |
| 09:26.00 | Leeds | for a start, the government has US$124.3billion in the bank... |
| 09:26.41 | Leeds | http://www.info.gov.hk/hkma/eng/statistics/index_efdhk.htm |
| 09:29.04 | Leeds | the HK$ is 100% backed by the US$ |
| 09:57.08 | murb | Leeds: gov.cn got all the gov.hk cash as a free gift? |
| 10:01.19 | Leeds | nope |
| 10:03.03 | Leeds | it's not spendable cash - it's the basis of the HK economy... plus, under the Anglo-Sino agreement, they can't touch it anyway |
| 10:03.05 | Leeds | AFAIK |
| 10:08.26 | Leeds | hometime, I think... |
| 10:08.33 | morsing | Now? |
| 10:08.56 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:09.11 | Leeds | 9 hours... |
| 10:10.08 | Leeds | a suggestion has been made that we should consume Australian-themed alcohol this evening, in honour of the national day of our neighbours a few thousand miles to the south |
| 10:11.34 | murb | oh have you done a find / -type f -name \*.au -print0 | xargs -r0 cat >/dev/audio # yet? |
| 10:11.42 | Leeds | nope |
| 10:16.12 | Leeds | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-961562,00.html |
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| 10:53.47 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 10:53.54 | mikejw | lo :) |
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| 11:17.03 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 11:47.11 | z00dax | morsing, ! |
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| 12:11.47 | gary_ | Good afternoon people |
| 12:12.15 | z00dax | gary_, |
| 12:15.33 | gary_ | otherwise known as floo |
| 12:33.11 | Erwin | Oh, how cool, I'm sure you all know "watch" but: watch -n1 -d free -- the -d will highlight changes between each update. |
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| 12:44.48 | rhowe | Erwin: Indeed it will |
| 12:47.45 | Leeds | rhowe: have you been here for CNY? |
| 12:48.21 | rhowe | Leeds: No.. I've been there around CNY time, but I don't think I was ever in HK for CNY itself |
| 12:48.38 | rhowe | Leeds: I've been there for [^C]NY |
| 12:49.22 | Leeds | I haven't done that - I was told it's relatively quiet |
| 12:49.40 | Leeds | although LKF was apparently stuffed |
| 12:49.51 | rhowe | Yeah, we were in LKF and it was ridiculous |
| 12:50.07 | rhowe | A few years ago, several people died in LKF during new year because of the crush |
| 12:50.28 | Leeds | I thought that was Halloween |
| 12:51.22 | rhowe | oh, maybe I'm misremembering |
| 12:51.43 | rhowe | It's been a couple of years :) |
| 12:54.53 | Leeds | either way, they put up crowd control now on really big nights |
| 12:56.09 | Leeds | nye 1992 apparently - I'm wrong |
| 12:57.24 | rhowe | aha |
| 12:58.27 | Leeds | what's one of them? |
| 13:00.36 | rhowe | I need it to get a 3c509 (ISA!) card to netboot |
| 13:00.54 | rhowe | Either that, or I need to get a PROM programmer |
| 13:01.02 | Leeds | ah |
| 13:01.06 | rhowe | Floppies are easier, albeit marginally |
| 13:01.38 | Leeds | I have 4 computers in this flat and a grand total of 0 floppy drives and 0 ISA slots :-) |
| 13:02.46 | rhowe | Yeah, and I bet they're not missed, either :) |
| 13:03.05 | rhowe | I have about 5 floppy drives at home, although I should really stick them on ebay or freecycle |
| 13:03.39 | Leeds | only in one way - my motherboard vendor for the one traditional ATX PC provide firmware as a bootable floppy image |
| 13:06.39 | morsing | ANR2023E DEFINE SCRIPT: Extraneous parameter - node_name,. |
| 13:07.29 | Leeds | mmm... cauliflower cheese |
| 13:07.35 | morsing | Mmm... Mushrooms |
| 13:08.19 | Leeds | http://www.eyescoffee.com/vr/index.php - lkf tragedy |
| 13:15.13 | rhowe | I'll either be very relieved, or very upset in about 10mins |
| 13:17.29 | Leeds | oops |
| 13:18.49 | morsing | Are they any insurance companies where you can actually go and talk to an adviser? |
| 13:19.13 | Leeds | endsleigh |
| 13:19.21 | morsing | endsleigh? |
| 13:20.03 | Leeds | yes |
| 13:22.55 | Leeds | who, for reference, started as a commercial spin-off from the NUS, AFAIK |
| 13:25.45 | Leeds | morsing: they have a branch on St. Albans Road in Watford |
| 13:29.34 | boudiccas | Leeds; you're right, and showing your age too :o) |
| 13:30.01 | boudiccas | come to think of it, by posting that, I'm showing my age too :o( |
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| 13:38.03 | morsing | Leeds: NUS? |
| 13:38.08 | morsing | Leeds: Are they good? |
| 13:39.04 | murb | morsing: they certainly used to have a repuation for not paying out. |
| 13:39.17 | morsing | murb: Were you a costumer? |
| 13:39.44 | murb | morsing: i know people who had stuff stolen from halls due to the crap locks |
| 13:39.52 | murb | and due to "no sign of forced entry" they refused to pay up. |
| 13:41.18 | morsing | murb: Of course |
| 13:43.47 | rhowe | pdr: *poke* |
| 13:44.20 | rhowe | hm, no sign of my stuff in the bar |
| 13:44.55 | rhowe | anyone have pdr's number or email address? |
| 13:45.35 | JAV | afternoon! |
| 13:51.04 | wethrin | :-) |
| 13:51.18 | wethrin | z00dax: ping? |
| 13:51.53 | murb | morsing: if they are the cheapest go with them.. |
| 13:52.02 | z00dax | wethrin, fish ? |
| 13:52.31 | morsing | murb: What kind of stupid reason is that? I want a place where I can go and talk to them. I'm tired of call centers and websites |
| 13:52.34 | wethrin | z00dax: herring |
| 13:52.40 | wethrin | What's the verdict on Brussels? |
| 13:54.00 | SlayerXP | wethrin: excellent when slightly crunchy and served with gravy |
| 13:54.21 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Still frozen? :) |
| 13:54.38 | SlayerXP | of ourse |
| 13:54.43 | SlayerXP | err course |
| 13:57.16 | SlayerXP | my mail reports are starting to look pretty ace |
| 13:57.58 | SlayerXP | did you know that 50.91% of my mail traffic is encrypted from source to destination |
| 13:58.42 | murb | did you know that opertunistic encryption is the source of 25.5% of the worlds evil? |
| 13:58.57 | murb | SlayerXP: how much of that was subject to MitM attacks? |
| 13:59.24 | SlayerXP | murb: did you know that 85% of people can't spell "opportunistic" ? |
| 14:00.06 | murb | SlayerXP: i thought it was 87%? |
| 14:00.34 | SlayerXP | lots of amercians have snuffed it recently |
| 14:01.43 | wethrin | Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up? :) |
| 14:03.52 | z00dax | wethrin, staying with friend |
| 14:08.28 | wethrin | z00dax: Fine |
| 14:09.08 | z00dax | since i had mentioned to him that i would be staying there, he has made arrangements - i think it would be a bit unfair to change now |
| 14:09.20 | wethrin | That's fine. It'll be cheaper :) |
| 14:09.43 | z00dax | i am not sure about the cheaper bit :) - he aparenrly isnt all that close into town. ( dunno what cost of travel is like ) |
| 14:29.50 | George | hiiiiiiiiiii |
| 14:30.12 | wethrin | You're excited |
| 14:39.15 | morsing | I am |
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| 14:42.01 | George | oh deary me |
| 14:42.09 | Cope | hello |
| 14:42.16 | George | Cope: 580W was sufficient |
| 14:42.30 | Cope | good good |
| 14:43.18 | morsing | Cope! |
| 14:43.22 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 14:43.35 | Cope | hrm |
| 14:44.59 | Cope | erm, why? |
| 14:46.43 | George | dunno |
| 14:46.45 | George | why not? :P |
| 14:46.52 | Cope | fair point |
| 14:50.41 | George | haha |
| 15:04.07 | pdr | rhowe: hey |
| 15:04.42 | pdr | rhowe: you took your camera and phone with you, i think you may have put them in your laptop bag |
| 15:06.12 | morsing | pdr: How are you? |
| 15:07.33 | pdr | hey morsing, i'm well, and you? |
| 15:08.57 | rhowe | pdr: Shite |
| 15:09.02 | rhowe | pdr: Well they didn't make it home with me |
| 15:09.35 | morsing | pdr: At work but otherwise ok |
| 15:10.56 | pdr | rhowe: schizerfuck |
| 15:11.07 | pdr | that sucks |
| 15:11.23 | rhowe | pdr: Yes, yes it does |
| 15:11.40 | pdr | they're not in a jacket pocket or something? |
| 15:11.49 | rhowe | nope |
| 15:12.40 | pdr | have you tried ringing the phones? |
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| 15:14.54 | wethrin | hello Catalyst |
| 15:15.00 | AngelChild | heyo |
| 15:15.17 | angelchild | lowercase is much prettier than uppercase |
| 15:15.22 | wethrin | meh :) |
| 15:15.24 | angelchild | kinda more unixy, for some reason |
| 15:16.33 | angelchild | my housemate's old phone ONLY DID UPPER CASE |
| 15:16.49 | angelchild | it was like he was shouting every time he sent a text message |
| 15:16.52 | Erwin | If you login to a unix terminal in UPPER CASE with the username, it assumes your terminal can only handle upper case -- and prints everything as such |
| 15:16.52 | angelchild | was vaguely amusing :) |
| 15:17.29 | wethrin | My first phone did that |
| 15:17.33 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 15:17.38 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 15:17.44 | wethrin | Erwin: This is also troublesome if your password includes mixed-case characters |
| 15:19.19 | Erwin | Anyone using RHEL? u2pdate supposedly can read yum repositories; is there one for RHEL & AMD64 with useful extra packages? |
| 15:23.36 | Erwin | Ah, yes, this seems to fit the bill -- http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/ |
| 15:24.26 | rhowe | pdr: Damn, not handed into lost property either :( |
| 15:27.41 | rhowe | heya Steve |
| 15:28.15 | Cope | woo, hi rhowe |
| 15:28.49 | Cope | Erwin: real rhel or centos? |
| 15:29.17 | rhowe | pdr: Your createservices address bounces - I used mutt's 'bounce' feature to send the same message to your .cx address |
| 15:31.49 | Erwin | Cope: RHEL 4.1. Yep, the dag repo looks good -- you need to turn off "retrieve source package" though, since it apparently doesn't have them. |
| 15:32.56 | Erwin | rhowe: You could try calling your phone number and see who answers |
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| 15:34.02 | IAmAI | Hello |
| 15:34.24 | wethrin | hi |
| 15:34.32 | IAmAI | How is all? |
| 15:35.58 | wethrin | I'm waiting for an email |
| 15:36.28 | IAmAI | LOL |
| 15:37.04 | IAmAI | Do you know, is a there a command that I can use to start desktop session. |
| 15:37.18 | IAmAI | If that's what I mean :S |
| 15:37.46 | IAmAI | I'm using CygwinX and PuTTY with x11 forwarding and I want to get my desktop :P |
| 15:38.04 | IAmAI | I can get individual apps but I haven't worked out how to get a whole desktop, if it's possible. |
| 15:38.25 | Cope | IAmAI: startx? |
| 15:38.38 | IAmAI | I think I've tried that. |
| 15:38.55 | Cope | IAmAI: assuming you have written (or have) a suitable .xinitrc file - or whatever YDOC uses |
| 15:39.08 | IAmAI | Er... |
| 15:39.27 | angelchild | you can do startx remotely? I thought you could only do the full desktop thing through something like VNC |
| 15:39.38 | angelchild | though I'm not very knowledgable on the subject |
| 15:39.50 | IAmAI | angelchild: To be honest, I've no idea. I'm just hoping one can :P |
| 15:40.01 | Cope | IAmAI: in my case, I run hummingbird exceed, use putty to ssh to my linux machine, with X11 forwarding enabled, and just run my window manager from the command line. |
| 15:40.26 | Cope | angelchild: I run 'full desktop' x server on windows |
| 15:40.31 | IAmAI | My uni has Exceed. It's not free though, is it? |
| 15:40.33 | wethrin | Aye - the window manager is Just Another X Application(TM) |
| 15:40.55 | wethrin | IAmAI: No, but it's better than Cygwin's X |
| 15:41.00 | Cope | IAmAI: no definitely not free beer or speech, but its very good. |
| 15:41.13 | angelchild | Cope: fair enough :) |
| 15:41.21 | IAmAI | Although, I think I recall that my uni could give me a copy. |
| 15:41.47 | angelchild | I suppose it makes sense that the window manager is an X application in itself, I've never thought about it that way before |
| 15:42.18 | angelchild | does it emulate a separate X session for each window openned then? since I know you can run just the application by itself in an X session |
| 15:42.42 | Cope | angelchild: exceed is just an xserver - the same as x.org or whatever |
| 15:42.49 | Cope | everyithing else is just a client |
| 15:43.07 | pdr | rhowe: ah, that explains it. i should have looked at the headers more carefully |
| 15:43.11 | wethrin | angelchild: What, the window manager? |
| 15:43.13 | wethrin | No |
| 15:43.15 | pdr | rhowe: so did you try ringing the phones? |
| 15:43.23 | wethrin | You can run multiple applications without a window manager |
| 15:43.33 | wethrin | However, you need the WM to do anything useful with them :) |
| 15:43.48 | Cope | doesn't matter where it is, or on what machine - its just a client that talks to the server; you don't need a window manager at all - you will just struggle to manipulate the apps if you don;t have one |
| 15:44.08 | IAmAI | Oh dear. I tried 'sudo startx' and it crashed. I get timeouts when I try to reconnect :S |
| 15:44.08 | wethrin | So just run a full-screen emacs session :) |
| 15:44.10 | Cope | angelchild: ie you can tile / cascade / move them around |
| 15:44.48 | Cope | angelchild: I just use ratpoison - which is basically screen for x-apps |
| 15:46.40 | angelchild | actually I was thinking about how the window manager itself works - remotely or not :) since X apps must redraw themselves and recieve events and such - presumably the window manager is like a shell in that respect? providing the input and output for multiple apps instead of a single app running in a single X session, which can't co-exist with others |
| 15:47.24 | angelchild | how good is the X documentation? I may have a look around when I find the time, I think I just found a new interest :o |
| 15:48.16 | morsing | Check it! |
| 15:48.39 | IAmAI | Does anyone know if Cygwin can be used to allow SSH access to your Windows machine. |
| 15:48.57 | wethrin | yes |
| 15:49.16 | IAmAI | I have the openssh package installed but I can't seem to connect with PuTTY |
| 15:49.18 | wethrin | angelchild: X is horrid |
| 15:49.23 | wethrin | Have you run sshd? |
| 15:50.11 | IAmAI | wethrin: No such command, assuming you're refering to me |
| 15:50.15 | angelchild | wethrin: most things are horrid. horrid and working's better than pretty and broken though :) |
| 15:50.23 | angelchild | well, I think anyway |
| 15:50.28 | angelchild | I should stop talking in absolutes |
| 15:50.32 | IAmAI | On my Linux machine, I just installed openssh and I could connect immediately |
| 15:50.45 | Cope | angelchild: I have never found good x docs, but never looked very hard, and never really wanted to |
| 15:51.22 | Cope | $colleague says there's a good book |
| 15:51.32 | angelchild | is it an o'reilly one? |
| 15:51.41 | Cope | unlikely |
| 15:52.58 | wethrin | IAmAI: Then you need to install the ssh-server package |
| 15:53.37 | wethrin | The X protocol is rather horrid. Once you've torn your hair out, you'll end up buying a wig, just to tear its hair out too |
| 15:53.49 | Cope | angelchild: $colleague says if you read X documentation you'll read for weeks before you understand; the book he read is very good. |
| 15:53.57 | Cope | angelchild: he's finding out the title / equivalent |
| 15:54.44 | IAmAI | wethrin: I cannot find such name package |
| 15:54.50 | angelchild | Cope: cheers |
| 15:55.24 | angelchild | $colleague: cheers :) |
| 15:55.56 | IAmAI | BRB |
| 15:56.14 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 15:58.21 | wethrin | yes? |
| 15:58.40 | morsing | How do I check if an email has been delivered in qmail? |
| 15:59.13 | wethrin | Read /var/log/maillog |
| 15:59.13 | Cope | morsing: phone the recipient? |
| 15:59.30 | morsing | wethrin: That log is not used |
| 15:59.39 | wethrin | I use it |
| 15:59.43 | wethrin | It's going to log somewhere |
| 15:59.45 | Cope | morsing: come back when you use a decent MTA :) |
| 16:00.35 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:00.48 | morsing | wethrin: The logs are in /logs/qmail and have weird names |
| 16:00.55 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 16:01.16 | morsing | wethrin: How come a msg id in the same log is reused for completely different messages? |
| 16:01.24 | wethrin | Is it? |
| 16:01.50 | morsing | Yes. If I grep for an id it pops up 10-12 times for different deliveries! |
| 16:01.59 | morsing | Qmail is beyond crap |
| 16:02.23 | wethrin | It's not the same delivery? |
| 16:02.28 | wethrin | It writes multiple lines |
| 16:02.39 | morsing | wethrin: No. They are completely different |
| 16:02.46 | morsing | It even says: |
| 16:02.52 | morsing | @4000000043d8b50e10ae83f4 end msg 43619 |
| 16:02.52 | morsing | @4000000043d8b6ce2ca33924 new msg 43619 |
| 16:03.02 | Erwin | Maybe that's file size. |
| 16:03.16 | morsing | Maybe you're right :-) |
| 16:04.12 | wethrin | hmm |
| 16:04.24 | morsing | If a mail was rejected or dropped would the recipient be in the log? |
| 16:04.28 | wethrin | No, it's not the filesize |
| 16:04.31 | wethrin | I'd guess so |
| 16:04.51 | Cope | morsing: are you forced to use qmail? |
| 16:05.32 | morsing | Cope: No, the guy who normally deals with Qmail is away today |
| 16:05.51 | morsing | Cope: I've told them that it's crap but they know nothing about mail servers |
| 16:06.12 | Cope | I've never used it, so I'm only joking, although i've heard some horrid things about it. |
| 16:06.25 | Cope | I've only ever used sendmail, and it has always worked beautifully for me. |
| 16:06.33 | wethrin | I use qmail, and it WFM |
| 16:06.47 | morsing | ibot WFM |
| 16:06.48 | ibot | wfm is probably (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the ... |
| 16:07.03 | wethrin | Works For Me |
| 16:07.14 | morsing | wethrin: So tell me how |
| 16:07.38 | morsing | The Exchange guy says a mail has left exchange and was delivered to Qmail |
| 16:07.49 | morsing | No trace of it that I can find on Qmail |
| 16:07.53 | morsing | What happened to it? |
| 16:07.57 | morsing | IAmAI! |
| 16:07.59 | Cope | exchange in lost mail shocker! |
| 16:08.05 | Cope | stop the press! |
| 16:08.06 | wethrin | Do you know the from: or to: address? |
| 16:08.12 | morsing | wethrin: To |
| 16:08.36 | wethrin | That doesn't turn up in the logs? |
| 16:08.38 | wethrin | Or it does too much? |
| 16:08.49 | morsing | IT doesn't |
| 16:08.59 | morsing | I can find to emails in the logs sent to him |
| 16:09.07 | morsing | But not the one that's gone missing |
| 16:09.11 | morsing | s/to/two/ |
| 16:09.16 | Cope | by definition |
| 16:10.13 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 16:10.24 | wethrin | I don't know |
| 16:10.28 | wethrin | sorry |
| 16:12.17 | *** join/#gllug stephen__ (i=stephen@windsor.org.uk) |
| 16:16.05 | morsing | stephen! |
| 16:16.14 | stephen | hey |
| 16:20.57 | morsing | stephen: Qmail sucks |
| 16:21.42 | morsing | :-) |
| 16:21.44 | morsing | Me too! |
| 16:22.47 | IAmAI | I've found out how to install a ssh server on Windows :) http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html |
| 16:23.15 | Cope | woo! |
| 16:24.17 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 16:26.56 | Leeds | morning morsing |
| 16:27.44 | Erwin | Yep. It's very handy, I do my software builds for Windows via ssh from my Linux workstation |
| 16:28.29 | Leeds | I have my ridiculous access->odbc->jdbc->jython->xml-rpc thing running on a windows box, and it's sometimes nice not to have to fire up vnc to talk to it |
| 16:29.34 | IAmAI | I bet it's much more secure as well. |
| 16:30.43 | Leeds | sure, but I'm happy as an armadillo |
| 16:31.06 | pdr | crunchy on the outside, but soft in the middle? |
| 16:31.16 | Leeds | yup |
| 16:31.24 | Leeds | not a Dime bar |
| 16:31.33 | pdr | how's things? |
| 16:32.00 | IAmAI | I don't if this is possible, but say I have two machines with an SSH server behind NAT, rather than put them on different ports, could I redirect to the appropriate machine by username? |
| 16:32.03 | Leeds | not bad... I'm a little tipsy |
| 16:32.20 | wethrin | IAmAI: No |
| 16:32.27 | Leeds | IAmAI: not really, no - the username comes after the secure channel is established |
| 16:33.05 | IAmAI | Well, I suppose one can then ssh the other machine over the LAN at that point. |
| 16:33.10 | morsing | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/01/26/kerala_trance_watch/ |
| 16:33.18 | pdr | you could set the shell for one of the users to ssh to the other machine |
| 16:33.33 | IAmAI | Yes, that came to mind |
| 16:33.40 | pdr | not ideal though |
| 16:33.44 | Leeds | unless you're going to setup no-passphrase keys, that would mean another login |
| 16:33.47 | IAmAI | Why not? |
| 16:33.48 | pdr | better not to use nat |
| 16:34.01 | IAmAI | What's wrong with NAT? |
| 16:34.03 | pdr | what's wrong with multiple ports? |
| 16:34.20 | pdr | NAT is a hack |
| 16:34.30 | IAmAI | Nothing, really, I suppose. One just has to remember the port numer and to remember to tell ssh to use a none standard port number. |
| 16:34.40 | IAmAI | Well, what's the alternative to NAt? |
| 16:34.48 | Leeds | hmm... does the fact that they've announced the 2006 free software award mean they're not giving it at FOSDEM? |
| 16:34.56 | Leeds | PAT |
| 16:35.01 | pdr | real IP addresses and normal routes |
| 16:35.14 | wethrin | Leeds: Not necessarily |
| 16:35.21 | IAmAI | Wouldn't I have to buy additional IP addresses. |
| 16:35.24 | wethrin | pdr: And how many ISPs are likely to give you that? :) |
| 16:35.29 | Leeds | Tridge won it, BTW, for those who care and don't know |
| 16:35.36 | pdr | mine gives me a /29 |
| 16:35.54 | IAmAI | I suppose one could set up a proxy server on one of the machines. |
| 16:35.58 | morsing | ukfsn gives you /28 with a business account |
| 16:35.59 | Leeds | mine gives me a private-subnet /32 |
| 16:36.22 | pdr | this is a home "light usage" connection |
| 16:36.27 | pdr | whois 81.2.75.97 |
| 16:36.51 | IAmAI | Couldn't some one invent 'port aliasing' or something? |
| 16:36.55 | wethrin | pdr: Who're you with? |
| 16:36.58 | wethrin | IAmAI: What's that? |
| 16:36.59 | Leeds | alternatively, go ipv6 - lots and lots of addresses to go around there |
| 16:37.09 | Leeds | IAmAI: you mean PAT? :-) |
| 16:37.17 | IAmAI | For example, I could do 'www.example.com:ssh' instead of 'www.example.com:22' |
| 16:37.31 | Leeds | iana |
| 16:37.47 | pdr | wethrin: andrews and arnold |
| 16:37.59 | pdr | i have a ipv6 /64 as well |
| 16:38.01 | wethrin | IAmAI: like you can run 'telnet www.example.com smtp', or 'telnet www.foo.com ssh'? |
| 16:38.20 | wethrin | pdr: Hm. Cunning |
| 16:38.24 | IAmAI | wethrin: How does that work? |
| 16:38.32 | wethrin | cat /etc/services |
| 16:38.35 | morsing | Check it! |
| 16:38.39 | Leeds | aren't A&A expensive? |
| 16:38.53 | Leeds | good - but you pay for it |
| 16:38.55 | pdr | a little on the expensive side yes, but not too bad |
| 16:39.19 | rhowe | oh ffs, the NIC was dead# |
| 16:39.20 | IAmAI | wethrin. I see |
| 16:39.20 | pdr | they're all on irc and they're happy to give you their mobile numbers for tech support |
| 16:39.28 | pdr | so pretty good service |
| 16:39.32 | rhowe | Only took me about a day's work to notice |
| 16:40.09 | wethrin | pdr: So're Blackcat |
| 16:40.24 | Leeds | rhowe: this is the one you were trying to load drivers for earlier? |
| 16:40.30 | rhowe | Leeds: Yeah |
| 16:40.39 | Leeds | rhowe: oops |
| 16:40.52 | IAmAI | wethrin: However, I assume it's the client that does resolving. If the server was using a non standard port for ssh, I assume they wouldn't work |
| 16:41.00 | rhowe | IAmAI: What you probably want is the zeroconf stuff.. stick a SRV record in _ssh._tcp.domain.com, although I don't think it allows you to specify a port to use, just a host to contact |
| 16:41.07 | wethrin | IAmAI: Correct |
| 16:41.22 | wethrin | rhowe: No - zeroconf assumes standard ports |
| 16:41.50 | IAmAI | My idea is that one could do 'www.foo.com:ssh' and the server redirects to the apprioriate port depending on it's configuration. |
| 16:42.15 | rhowe | IAmAI: Pointless |
| 16:42.32 | wethrin | port translations would do that |
| 16:42.32 | Leeds | IAmAI: the problem is that it would have to ask the server on which port ssh was running - that's how sun-rpc works, with the portmapper |
| 16:42.40 | IAmAI | rhowe: Why? It means I don't need to know what port a service is on. |
| 16:42.52 | rhowe | IAmAI: You don't need to know anyway, with well-known port numbers |
| 16:43.23 | IAmAI | rhowe: It's not always possible to use standard port numbers |
| 16:43.34 | Leeds | rhowe: what's wrong with the portmapper? |
| 16:43.51 | rhowe | Leeds: It seems to be trying to solve a problem which doesn't need solving |
| 16:44.38 | rhowe | IAmAI: I don't think I've ever come across a situation where I couldn't use a standard port number for a non-private service |
| 16:44.49 | rhowe | hm.. lots of negatives in that sentence |
| 16:45.13 | IAmAI | rhoew: I suppose for public services it's not a problem |
| 16:45.48 | rhowe | IAmAI: So, if it's not a public service, why do you want to make it automatically discoverable? |
| 16:46.23 | IAmAI | rhowe: The only reason is saving having to remember port numbers. |
| 16:46.40 | rhowe | IAmAI: Then use a well known port :) |
| 16:47.03 | IAmAI | rhowe: But that's not always possible! |
| 16:47.18 | IAmAI | And I can't remember all 'well known' port numbers! |
| 16:47.32 | IAmAI | I can't remember my remote emule admin port |
| 16:47.38 | rhowe | You don't need to - any sensible client will use the well-known port by default |
| 16:48.00 | IAmAI | rhowe: That's true. |
| 16:48.21 | rhowe | or give it a name in /etc/services (but you'd have to do this on every client box), you may be able to stick it in ssh_config on the client (need to do it on every client too, but /home may be shared via NFS for some of them), or use another well known port and refer to it by its name |
| 16:48.25 | IAmAI | Although, I'm sure there must be cases where you might want to run multiple instances of a service. |
| 16:48.47 | IAmAI | For example, you're a game server hoster, and you run multiple servers of the same game. |
| 16:49.09 | wethrin | Yes, and then the game is likely to try multiple ports |
| 16:49.10 | rhowe | IAmAI: Sure, although for that I would use different IP addresses if I could |
| 16:49.51 | IAmAI | rhowe: True. I expect if you can afford a server that will handle multiple games servers, you can afford a few IP addresses :P |
| 16:50.05 | IAmAI | rhowe: And master server lists include the IP anyway. |
| 16:50.09 | rhowe | IAmAI: What you could do is (say) run sshd on the POP3 port - you'll find most clients have an entry in /etc/services for that, so you could use -p pop3 (I expect) instead of -p 110. Perhaps the name is easier to remember than the number? |
| 16:50.40 | IAmAI | I assume I can add stuff to /etc/services |
| 16:50.49 | rhowe | IAmAI: IP addresses are free, you just need to justify your need, and multiple servers is a reasonable need IMHO |
| 16:51.00 | Leeds | Bad port 'pop3' |
| 16:51.08 | IAmAI | rhowe: Don't you have to buy them off your ISP |
| 16:51.19 | IAmAI | rhowe: My ISP charges £5 for a static one! |
| 16:51.27 | rhowe | Leeds: ah, so ssh doesn't use /etc/services |
| 16:52.04 | rhowe | IAmAI: Yeah, many providers do unfortunately charge for IP addresses, although I don't think they're supposed to (someone who knows more about internet procedures than I would be worth asking if you're curious) |
| 16:52.14 | rhowe | IAmAI: I pay a few quid a month for a /29 |
| 16:52.16 | stephen | IAmAI: some ISPs charge, some don't, they're allowed to charge an "administration" fee for IP addresses under RIPE rules afaik |
| 16:52.32 | IAmAI | £5 seems a lot to me |
| 16:52.57 | rhowe | IAmAI: It is - I doubt it's much work for the ISP to manage a larger address pool |
| 16:53.22 | rhowe | IAmAI: What with always-on connections, I doubt using dynamic addresses even saves them much address space nowadays |
| 16:53.23 | IAmAI | I can use dyndns.com thankfully |
| 16:53.41 | IAmAI | rhowe: I know. It's stupid |
| 16:53.56 | IAmAI | It's there only to make money - it has an advantage so they charge for it. |
| 16:54.15 | rhowe | IAmAI: Really, everyone should be on a static IP address. It'd make the internet a much more accountable place if you could look up an IP address and see who to contact. Just getting the ISP's details isn't a solution, since ISPs can't usually be bothered to contact a user to say they have a virus |
| 16:54.59 | IAmAI | Nope |
| 16:55.12 | rhowe | IAmAI: Yes, it makes you an easy target for a DDoS, but I can't think it'd be that much harder to figure out what someone's address was if you had a close enough relationship with them to want to DDoS them in the first place |
| 16:55.31 | angelchild | rhowe: isn't that the intention of IPv6? |
| 16:55.34 | rhowe | IAmAI: It also makes you an easier target for a concerted hacking/cracking attempt, since the bad guys would always know where to find you |
| 16:55.55 | IAmAI | Would changing one's IP on request be possible/easy? |
| 16:56.01 | rhowe | angelchild: IPv6 has all sorts of intentions. Dynamic IP addresses (DHCP-style stuff) is part of the spec |
| 16:56.28 | rhowe | IAmAI: It should be, and it should also be possible to instruct your ISP to do upstream filtering.. |
| 16:56.46 | rhowe | IAmAI: I bet some ISP's software makes changing the IP address of a customer a bitch to do though |
| 16:56.58 | angelchild | oh, okay :) |
| 16:57.18 | rhowe | IAmAI: That's just an administrative thing though, and if they needed to do it a lot, they'd make the process easier |
| 16:57.31 | angelchild | rhowe: I'd imagine it's something they don't expect to have to do |
| 16:57.59 | rhowe | IAmAI: I'm also of the belief that NAT is evil and should be used very rarely, but that's probably an even more extremist argument, and one to argue over another time :) |
| 16:58.14 | rhowe | mmm, food |
| 16:58.17 | angelchild | mmm, chocolate |
| 16:58.29 | angelchild | congratulations! :) |
| 16:58.42 | rhowe | It's a big day |
| 16:58.51 | IAmAI | I thought NAT was secure, but it only exposes you to what you set up? |
| 16:58.59 | IAmAI | -but +as |
| 17:00.23 | rhowe | IAmAI: From a security standpoint, NAT is a way to really simplify your firewall ruleset and apply a "block incoming data which wasn't a response to something someone here said" policy |
| 17:01.17 | rhowe | IAmAI: But it breaks so many things (I think to say that the protocol is broken because it doesn't cope with the packets being mangled in transit is wrong, although NAT certainly does expose some design flaws in protocols) |
| 17:01.22 | Leeds | ugh, everything has gone grey |
| 17:01.41 | Leeds | and firefox has gone nuts |
| 17:01.43 | rhowe | IAmAI: NAT also provides a little anonymity (in the most common way it's set up) |
| 17:02.02 | IAmAI | I've have no problems with NAT |
| 17:02.34 | IAmAI | Well, I don't expect NAT to provide any anonymity. Should I? I don't really understand what you mean by that. |
| 17:02.44 | rhowe | No? Do you use Bittorrent, VoIP, file transfers on an IM program like ICQ? |
| 17:03.03 | rhowe | IAmAI: Well, the internet just sees data coming from the NAT box, and doesn't really know who sent it |
| 17:03.12 | Leeds | zzzz *hic* g'night all |
| 17:03.26 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.43 | IAmAI | It depends what you mean by 'who'. '165.6.21.45' doesn't really mean much, does it. |
| 17:04.04 | IAmAI | One might be able to find out my ISP is bulldog broadband, but I guess that's about it, is it not? |
| 17:04.12 | rhowe | IAmAI: Well, think about (say) a room of computers being used at a uni by students |
| 17:04.30 | rhowe | IAmAI: If they're all behind a NAT box which NATs them to the same address, then you can't tell which computer initiated which connection |
| 17:04.54 | IAmAI | So isn't that a good thign? |
| 17:04.56 | rhowe | IAmAI: Well, you probably can, but it would probably require more work than simply looking at the IP headers. |
| 17:05.37 | rhowe | Yes, it can be, but where you are anonymous, you can also easily be come unaccountable for your actions |
| 17:05.51 | morsing | Check it! |
| 17:06.04 | rhowe | Anyone having problems with the traffic has to contact the NAT box owner, since they don't know whose traffic it is |
| 17:06.18 | IAmAI | rhowe: Well, isn't that even better if you want to get away with things? :P |
| 17:06.57 | rhowe | IAmAI: It's not a very good way to do it, really. An anonymising proxy you have some faith in would be a better way |
| 17:07.38 | IAmAI | Fair enough. |
| 17:07.40 | rhowe | IAmAI: You might find (for example) that all your traffic is NATed to the same small port range on the NAT box, and is therefore identifiable as you, or that your IP datagrams have something distinguishing about them which allows people to tell them apart.. that kind of thing |
| 17:07.52 | IAmAI | But if you're not trying to hide, it's not a problem, is it? |
| 17:08.15 | rhowe | IAmAI: Anonymity is a side effect of most NAT configurations, and as such, it doesn't necessarily do it well |
| 17:08.31 | IAmAI | Fair enough. |
| 17:08.48 | IAmAI | But I don't need anonymity, but that fact it's there doesn't matter to me either. |
| 17:09.10 | rhowe | I'd prefer to communicate more freely than be anonymous |
| 17:09.21 | rhowe | At least, when it comes to IP traffic |
| 17:09.37 | rhowe | I could never go back to using NAT at home |
| 17:10.06 | rhowe | Having 9 IP addresses to dole out really gives you so much more freedom and removes so many hacks put in place because of NAT |
| 17:10.48 | rhowe | None of this "internal DNS" crap to hand out the internal address of the web server when local clients request www.$localdomain.com instead of the public address it's accessed by outside the company |
| 17:10.56 | IAmAI | Well, I wouldn't mind extra IP addresses. Can I go about acuiring them without cost? |
| 17:11.11 | rhowe | IAmAI: Ask your ISP. Probably not. |
| 17:11.26 | rhowe | IAmAI: They may require you to have a static IP address, too |
| 17:11.26 | IAmAI | Well then I must make do with NAT, and I feel no the worse. |
| 17:11.34 | IAmAI | Other than the face I have to remember my port numbers :P |
| 17:11.37 | IAmAI | *fact |
| 17:12.01 | rhowe | Oh and bear in mind ssh will likely break horribly if you have multiple daemons listening on multiple ports (some forwarded to other machines) |
| 17:12.18 | IAmAI | Why? |
| 17:12.27 | rhowe | ssh stores the host's public key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and indexes it by IP address or hostname |
| 17:12.48 | IAmAI | Not by port number? |
| 17:12.55 | wethrin | Mmm. Chloroform |
| 17:13.03 | wethrin | Not by port number |
| 17:13.03 | rhowe | if you ssh to sshserver.foo.com:22 and then sshserver.foo.com:222, ssh will probably complain that sshserver.foo.com's identity has changed |
| 17:13.04 | wethrin | +s |
| 17:13.06 | rhowe | IAmAI: Nope |
| 17:14.05 | rhowe | IAmAI: You can get around this by either having multiple names in DNS and always remembering to use port <x> with name <y>, or if you only have two ports open, you could always remember to use port <x> with a hostname and port <y> with the IP address. |
| 17:14.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:14.28 | rhowe | IAmAI: Or, by using the same keys on all your SSH servers - that would probably do it |
| 17:14.31 | morsing | wethrin: Durham 3rd March! |
| 17:15.20 | rhowe | IAmAI: The basic problem is still there though - NAT is often deployed in situations where it causes more hassle than it solves. |
| 17:16.07 | rhowe | IAmAI: I'm not saying NAT's useless, btw, it has some very useful abilities when it comes to doing things like clustering several hosts to appear as though they were one, or for working around broken black box devices, etc |
| 17:16.46 | rhowe | Anyway, back to figuring out how I made this 8MB bootable kernel |
| 17:16.55 | rhowe | I think it has an initrd in there somewhere |
| 17:17.19 | rhowe | yes, yes we are |
| 17:17.24 | rhowe | s/we are/it has/ |
| 17:17.34 | rhowe | ibot: WOW! Finally you got one right |
| 17:17.45 | rhowe | ibot: thank you |
| 17:17.45 | ibot | rhowe: sure thing |
| 17:17.53 | wethrin | morsing: What about it? |
| 17:18.20 | angelchild | s/about/cheese/ |
| 17:18.33 | angelchild | oh, you can't change other people's :( |
| 17:20.19 | rhowe | Nope, and it ignores things said as an action |
| 17:20.53 | IAmAI | rhowe: Another solution is a create another login on one of my machines, which automatically ssh's into the other upon login. |
| 17:20.53 | rhowe | Yesterday I ate out |
| 17:21.00 | morsing | wethrin: Drinking beer |
| 17:21.18 | rhowe | s/out/Jia out/ |
| 17:21.22 | rhowe | For example |
| 17:21.29 | rhowe | ibot: lart ibot |
| 17:22.02 | IAmAI | ibot: lart? |
| 17:22.18 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 17:23.02 | *** part/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 17:23.26 | IAmAI | Oh. Well see you guys. |
| 17:23.31 | angelchild | bai |
| 17:23.43 | angelchild | I really should learn english |
| 17:23.59 | *** join/#gllug IAmAI (i=hidden-u@83.222.114.3) |
| 17:24.09 | IAmAI | Wait, it isn't half past yet. |
| 17:24.17 | angelchild | welcome back :) |
| 17:25.00 | IAmAI | Hee hee LOL |
| 17:25.05 | IAmAI | Shall I sneak out early? :P |
| 17:25.31 | angelchild | I have no idea, should you? :) |
| 17:25.45 | angelchild | how rebellious |
| 17:25.55 | IAmAI | Well, I probably would need to sneak out. |
| 17:35.41 | wethrin | Hrm. morsing's gone |
| 18:38.15 | Erwin | So who here believes in "intelligent design" or knows anyone who does? Apparnety 40% Brits do, which sounds like an astounding number |
| 18:39.33 | angelchild | my jury is out on the subject, since I've not been around to witness most of Earth's history and I don't believe we have enough evidence to conclusively say much at all |
| 18:39.54 | Erwin | That's why I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. |
| 18:40.03 | angelchild | touched by his noodly appendage |
| 18:55.00 | *** join/#gllug zachary (n=zachary@ip68-99-100-38.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 18:55.48 | zachary | g'evening |
| 18:56.56 | angelchild | heya |
| 18:57.44 | wethrin | ZACH! |
| 18:57.52 | wethrin | Long time no see! |
| 18:58.07 | zachary | Ya, been a little busy fixin the house. |
| 18:59.27 | zachary | when I say "fixing" I should be taken as updating the 1960's look. Had fun taking out wood paneling. |
| 19:00.30 | zachary | Dan, how's things over there? |
| 19:01.09 | wethrin | They're not too bad |
| 19:01.29 | zachary | Dr. Dan yet? |
| 19:01.33 | wethrin | In a rush at the moment, but will be back in a couple of hours if you'll still be around |
| 19:01.38 | wethrin | Nah. Give me another couple of years still :) |
| 19:01.48 | wethrin | Otherwise I need to leave in about 4 mins. And finish eating :) |
| 19:03.51 | zachary | ok, shovel away! Good talking with you! |
| 19:04.46 | wethrin | yeah. Will you still be around later? |
| 19:05.31 | zachary | Don't know. I need to pick my kids up at 4pm. By the time I get them to bed it might be a bit late. |
| 19:05.58 | wethrin | okay :) Talk to you soon, hopefully |
| 19:24.22 | Cope | hmm? |
| 19:24.55 | Cope | oooh zachary |
| 20:01.05 | Cope | hmm |
| 20:01.08 | Cope | lack of activity |
| 20:05.43 | angelchild | <activity> |
| 20:24.22 | George | radioactive activity? |
| 20:24.36 | George | A = A_0e^(-Lt) |
| 20:24.37 | George | :D |
| 20:25.00 | Cope | George: you're learning perl? |
| 20:25.43 | angelchild | perl is great :D |
| 20:26.46 | George | it's a real gem |
| 20:27.04 | George | /win 37 |
| 20:27.06 | George | woops. |
| 21:07.32 | *** part/#gllug zachary (n=zachary@ip68-99-100-38.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 21:35.32 | wethrin | hmm |
| 22:08.49 | rhowe | Now I just need to find my camera and the office 'phone |
| 22:09.38 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 22:17.37 | George | huzzah |
| 22:40.40 | rhowe | My camera :( |
| 22:42.53 | wethrin | If it's any consolation, my camera's lost too |
| 22:44.00 | rhowe | My camera's lost with a good few hundred photos |
| 22:44.12 | rhowe | and over 1 1/4 GB of storage :( |
| 22:44.45 | wethrin | :( |
| 22:45.16 | rhowe | Yeah, it would really suck if it stays lost |
| 22:47.12 | wethrin | indeed |
| 23:19.35 | Leeds | rhowe: no more lunchtime beer! |
| 23:33.03 | Leeds | argh, it's going to rain over the long weekend :-( |
| 23:53.40 | Leeds | Warren Ellis is a deeply disturbed but very creative man |
| 23:59.49 | Leeds | ibot change 2630 hkd to gbp |