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03:16.39Leedswoohoo - early closing for the hols! :-)
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06:14.39Copeurgh morning
06:14.47Leedshello
06:14.58Copehi Leeds
06:22.09Leedsonly an hour left of the week - woohoo!
06:30.03LeedsI suspect that we are 0wned
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06:48.53Leedshttp://asiapages.typepad.com/the_asia_pages/2006/01/not_without_my_.html
06:49.00Leedsand hello SlayerXP
06:49.07SlayerXPmorning
07:21.54Leedshttp://www.alaskaalpineclub.org/IceTower/IceTowers.html
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07:34.35Leedsmorsing!
07:34.49morsingLeeds!
07:39.29Leedsgive me my jacket back!
07:39.38morsingNo!
07:39.58morsingcorrupt.label corrupt
07:40.04morsingForever?
07:40.37Leedsfor the long weekend... 4.something day weekend
07:41.16morsing(test -d deferred && find deferred -type f ) | wc -l
07:42.51Leedsibot convert -50 f to c
07:43.05morsingWow cold in HK today?
07:43.29gregjpogoda.onet.pl
07:43.34gregjsee how cold it is in PL
07:43.42morsinggregj! You're up :-)
07:43.43gregjit was -30 in some parts on Monday
07:43.45gregjthat's cold
07:43.50gregjI am always up :P
07:45.41Leedsthat's in Alaska
07:45.56morsingLeeds: No - Poland is in Europe
07:46.01Leedsin HK, it's maybe 17 degrees today - going to rain over the weekend, apparently
07:47.00gregjit was -9 Tuesday during the day, -21 at night up here
07:47.07gregjnow it's -6, was -15 at night
07:47.16gregjwe have record teperatures
07:47.24gregjit wasn't like that since 60ies
07:47.37gregjVistula is completly frozen (the river)
07:48.08gregjit is not as clea as it was past II WW, when you could literaly drive across, ice was so thick
07:48.28Leedsas long as it's dry on Monday night, I'll be happy
07:49.02Leedsfor a combination of http://www.saffron-cruises.com/fireworks_hong_kong.php and http://www.rachelinhongkong.com
07:49.29gregjwhat is it about ?
07:49.36gregjsome kind of holiday?
07:50.01morsingCheck it!
07:50.03LeedsChinese New Year, dude! :-)
07:50.23Leedsone of the side bonuses of living in China - I now get, count 'em, 3 New Years to celebrate :-)
07:50.40gregjoh, yes
07:50.44gregjsilly me
07:50.45gregj:P
07:50.56gregjwe only have Vietnamise up here, no chinesse
07:51.05SlayerXPfg
07:51.10morsingbg
07:51.10gregjbg
07:51.12gregj:]
07:51.22SlayerXPkill -9 morsing
07:51.28Leedsfg: current: no such job
07:51.31gregjexpell -9 SlayerXP
07:53.05morsingecho $SlayerXP
07:55.54Leedskung hei fat choi, y'all - time for me to head off :-)
07:56.01morsingChewck it
08:00.14morsing:-(
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08:38.49morsingvikas_m? Not the Vikas that sits two desks away from me, are you?
08:39.01morsingLeeds!
08:41.47Leedsmorsing!
08:41.49Leedsvikas_m!
09:15.08morsingBye
09:24.17morsing<PROTECTED>
09:24.48Copegood mornin
09:25.57Copeg
09:38.08morsingCope!
09:39.03Copehello morsing
09:39.11Copewe've just started doing aix :()
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09:46.52morsingwethrin?
09:46.55morsingGonzo!
09:51.54morsingemil:/usr/lib/nagios/plugins# ./check_mailq -debug
10:13.00morsingCould not load module /usr/opt/perl5/lib/5.8.2/RRDs.so.
10:14.45morsingDependent module /usr/local/lib/librrd.a(librrd.so)
10:15.02morsingIs it saying it's looking for librrd.so? That file doesn't exist
10:17.58morsingHello?
10:22.04Leedshello
10:22.44morsing10:15 < morsing> Is it saying it's looking for librrd.so? That file doesn't
10:22.44morsing<PROTECTED>
10:23.00LeedsI have no idea
10:27.58Leedsdinnertime!
10:30.05morsingMmm... dinner
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11:00.05morsingmikejw!
11:00.07morsingSlayerXP!
11:00.32SlayerXPhi
11:00.37morsingCheck it!
11:07.29mikejwyo :)
11:07.32morsingHave you all remembered to buy your Euromillions ticket to freedom
11:07.33morsing?
11:07.42morsingmikejw: Have you?
11:07.56mikejwI not sure I have :S
11:08.02mikejw*I'm
11:08.11morsingYou're not sure? Well, get started
11:08.18morsingGo to http://www.national-lottery.co.uk
11:12.22morsingDoes anyone know why Firefox can't do auto reload anymore?
11:32.08morsingGeorge: Buy a ticket!
11:34.53Georgefor?
11:35.42stephenthe stupidity tax
12:18.42Copelol
12:18.55Copestephen: well said
12:24.00ErwinWell, I bought my tickets to keep morsing employed :P
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12:31.46Copewoo AngelChild
12:31.59AngelChildwoo Cope
12:32.00AngelChild:)
12:33.55Copesweet
12:34.34AngelChildI actually enjoyed it, though I didn't actually know where it was until I got there
12:34.47AngelChild(it was on a campus I've never been to before off the Avenue)
12:34.48Copespiritual
12:35.20AngelChildand now I'm sitting listening to a new CD I got the other day by VNV Nation and writing little 3D game demo applications :)
12:42.23morsingAngelChild!
12:42.57AngelChildmorsing!
12:43.01AngelChildoh that reminds me
12:43.06angelchildxD
12:43.07morsing:-)
12:45.32morsingWhy doesn't this work?
12:45.38morsing$cmd="(test -d /var/spool/postfix/deferred && /usr/bin/find /var/spool/postfix/deferred -type f ) | /usr/bin/wc -l |";
12:45.41morsing<PROTECTED>
12:45.47morsingIT just hangs?
12:47.53morsingHello?
12:48.28morsingSlayerXP?
12:50.36morsingAhh.. I got it working now
13:12.54Leedsmmm... dinner
13:13.42morsingMmm... Perl
13:21.13SlayerXPyes?
13:22.41Leedsugh, Perl
13:25.04murburgle why are you using shell in perl?
13:27.00z00daxhome sick today!
13:27.01Leedswoo, payday!
13:27.12Leedsz00dax: get well soon
13:27.41Leedsoh, and I got an email from the local 3 - been accepted onto their 6-month free trial :-)
13:30.08z00daxLeeds, I'll try, ty
13:31.24morsingCheck it!
13:32.32Georgethe royal mail has FAILED ME!
13:33.06SlayerXPmorsing: that's truely awful perl for several reasons
13:33.46morsingSlayerXP: I'm glad to hear
13:33.56morsingSlayerXP: Why?
13:35.10SlayerXPwell, basically you say "dear bash, please execute this perl." then perl says "dear bash, please execute this shell"
13:35.24SlayerXPplus you seem to have postfix installed
13:37.49morsingSlayerXP: That method is used by Nagios modules which is what I'm editing/writing
13:37.58morsingSlayerXP: Tell the Nagios people
13:38.18morsingSlayerXP: It's because of Perls limitations that they do it that way
13:46.40murbmorsing: or limitations in their perl ability?
13:46.41morsingSlayerXP?
13:46.59morsingmurb: Give a better suggestion then
13:48.56murbno, i'm busy trying to work.
13:51.34morsingHa ha
13:51.44morsingmurb: You just don't know...
13:53.29rhowehttp://bash.org/?605550
13:53.42eye69It's scary that there are so many mailservers that don't report a correct HELO.
13:54.21murbeye69: there are good reasons for it being incorrect.
13:54.25murbatleast the hostname.
13:54.41murbi certainly don't try and valid date it as i'd drop lots of legitimate email.
13:54.53murbactually i think people who claim to be me get a 30 second delay.
13:58.19Erwingreylisting is pretty effective apparently -- temporarily denying unknown hosts for a few minutes; bulk mailers never try to resend
13:58.44morsingErwin: I just deny unknown hosts
13:58.51morsingVery efficient
14:01.21murbErwin: but it fails to scale.
14:05.34Copemmm pizza
14:08.39rhoweIt is also inevitable that it will be rendered ineffective
14:08.55rhoweIf greylisting became widely deployed, the spammers would just start retrying connections
14:17.24JAVafternoon
14:22.20morsingCheck it
14:31.13Copeok
14:33.56SlayerXPrhowe: _why_ ?
14:34.03rhoweSlayerXP: To install Windows
14:34.12SlayerXP...
14:34.19rhowehttp://unattended.sf.net/
14:34.37rhoweoh, genius. It's broken.
14:34.42rhowe../sysdeps/ieee754/dbl-64/s_isinf.c:29: error: ‘isinf’ aliased to undefined symbol ‘__isinf’
14:34.57SlayerXPi still fail to see why you're compiling stuff
14:35.15rhoweTheir packaged release is broken
14:35.29rhoweor at least incomplete
14:35.38SlayerXPi still fail to see why you're compiling glibc
14:35.50rhoweIt's part of the build process
14:36.28rhoweOK, the answer is not to use gcc 4.x to compile glibc 2.3.x
14:44.31rhowehm, ye bye ocaml
14:44.37rhowes/ye/bye/
14:54.22rhoweOK, time to head to the city
14:56.38eye69I just enabled greylisting on my server...will see if it helps
15:03.05morsingeye69: s/greylisting/reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname/
16:34.41morsingMoo
16:36.23Copese
16:39.26Leedsfoo
16:43.16Cope:)
16:44.18morsingFoose
16:44.32morsingNEwcastle
16:44.59CopeSOuthampton
16:46.31morsingRIngkobing
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16:48.16formiping murb
16:48.43Copeunknown host murb
16:48.54formiCope
16:48.58LeedsBTW, I may have mentioned the 3G test here?  got my confirmation mail and SMS through this evening
16:49.01Leedsmorning formi
16:49.10formihi leeds
16:49.27morsingformi!
16:49.31morsingbye formi
16:49.34formiand go to fosdem this year
16:49.37Copeyay!
16:49.40Copeformi: me too!
16:49.56formiim about to request days off
16:49.58morsingMe too
16:50.29formishould friday + monday  be enough ?
16:50.38morsingCheck it!
16:50.52Leedsformi: you can take my place - I can't make it
16:50.56Leedsand you don't need Monday off
16:51.09formiI have days to kill
16:51.46LeedsI'm not saying you *can't* take Monday off, but there's not much point in sticking around Brussels on Monday - the only thing it gives you is Sunday evening there, and most people have left
16:52.32Leedsa lot of the 'tourist' stuff in Brussels is closed on Mondays
16:52.41Copehome
16:52.49formiare you saying the main interesting part is Friday night and Sat are the main days
16:53.42formiis there any gllug "group" making plans
16:53.55JAVformi: won't you miss carnival?
16:55.23LeedsFriday and Saturday are the main nights, the conference runs until 6pm-ish on Saturday and 3pm-ish on Sunday
16:55.24LeedsIIRC
16:56.46wethrinCope: I sent your watch off today
16:57.33z00daxwethrin, watch from sincity ?
16:58.03wethrinNo :)
16:59.01z00daxdayum
17:01.10formiso nothing being organised in trms of going together?
17:02.52Leedsformi: yes, there is - could be that the people doing the organising aren't here now
17:04.25formiill have to keep an eye on the channel
17:05.27Leedsthere were a load of mails on gllug-social about it
17:06.39wethrinformi: aren't you on the Social mailing list?
17:06.45wethrinFewer people are travelling together this year
17:07.45formiim on the main gllug admin list, as it is a good way of wathching spam fly by
17:08.14wethrinindeed
17:08.30formibut i dont even know where the social list is hosted  at
17:09.03wethrinhttp://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social
17:14.30formii have read the post
17:14.54formithe organization is brilliantly absent
17:15.52formiill give pdr a ring
17:16.51formihe's changed his mobile number
17:20.33wethrinWhat sort of organisation do you want? :) People just happen to be travelling at different times this year
17:21.45formiwell people just say I am going by on x at y time
17:24.45wethrinYeah, so people travelling on a particular train can meet up; otherwise we all just meet in Brussels centre
17:28.16formiwell im off home
17:32.30ErwinThis game is fun -- type in the common tag for flickr for ranodm images before time runs out -- http://slane.bradley.edu/games/fastr/
17:35.44Leedstime for bed
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17:38.46morsingmikejw!
17:38.46mikejwyo :)
17:39.20wethrinmikejw: Will you share your winnings with Gllug if you win? :)
17:41.03morsingwethrin: If?!
17:41.09morsingI gave him the numbers
17:41.27wethrinYou never gave me the numbers :(
17:48.48ErwinSo, how much of the 100 mill will be there after tax? :)
17:49.18wethrinDo you get taxed on lottery winnings?
17:50.48ErwinWell, you do in other countries
17:51.15ErwinAnd is it actual cash? In e.g. US such large winners are either full amount over like 20 years, or half of it right now
17:52.27wethrinI think it's a cheque. But morsing should know
17:56.45morsingIt's a cheque I believe
17:56.57morsingWell, it is...
17:57.33ErwinEven if I'd have a 100 million, I still wouldn't get a direct phone number to my bank branch.
17:57.35morsingThe Euromillions check about six months ago was the worlds biggest check ever
17:59.01angelchildthat fastr game's cool :D
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18:17.33morsingKitty!
18:17.49morsingHave you bought your Euromillions ticket yet?
18:31.27z00daxmorsing, how many did you get
18:32.32morsingHow many what?
18:32.42z00daxtickets
18:32.50morsingI'm not allowed :-(
18:32.58z00daxwhy ?
18:33.07z00daxi didnt realise there were people excluded
18:33.18z00daxno wait, nevermind. I know why you are not allowed
18:34.42wethrinbecause he does actually draw the numbers
18:34.57wethrinIf it was really random and hence unriggable, they'd be allowed to buy
18:37.01z00daxi agree
19:19.08morsing:-)
19:23.13Georgeuncouth woman
19:23.28angelchildunsubtle boy
19:25.04morsingOK:  OK - 87 processes found
19:29.31z00daxmorsing, how'se your danish ?
19:34.27morsingz00dax: Ok I suppose
19:34.34morsingboudiccas!
19:35.06boudiccasyes?
19:35.13morsingz00dax: Why?
19:35.16morsingboudiccas: Hi
19:35.48boudiccasmorsing; are you running centos?
19:36.36morsingNo - why?
19:36.40morsingz00dax: Why?
19:37.16boudiccasmorsing; VERSION xchat 2.4.0 Linux 2.6.9-22.0.1.EL is what you're running, the same as me on a centos box
19:38.03boudiccasmorsing; is this >>>  jeg er ti år og liker hester og spiser maten min <<< danish? if not, do you know what language it is?
19:38.50morsingboudiccas: It's swedish
19:39.15morsingboudiccas: I don't know where you're getting that from. I'm running irssi on Debian
19:39.27boudiccasmorsing; can you translate it please? thats what zoodax wants to know
19:39.41ErwinIs this from a girl who z00dax has the hots for? Lol.
19:39.47morsingI am ten years old, like horses and eat my food
19:39.58boudiccas??!!
19:40.10morsingboudiccas: Is this z00dax new girlfriend?!
19:40.22boudiccasi have no idea! :o)
19:40.49morsingz00dax: BE careful. Ten year old girls can be dangerous :-D
19:41.26boudiccasback soon
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19:42.35morsingboudicca!
19:42.59boudiccacheck it!
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19:44.40z00daxmorsing, sorry was on the phone
19:44.45z00daxmorsing, what does this mean : jeg er ti år og liker hester og spiser maten min..
19:45.06boudiccasits swedish
19:45.21z00daxis it ?
19:45.28z00daxmorsing, so how is your swedish ?
19:45.31boudiccasso morsing says
19:45.46ErwinAs he said, "I'm 10 years old, like horses and eat my food"
19:46.05z00daxah
19:46.07z00daxhumm
19:50.24morsingz00dax: Not quite as good
19:51.26morsingOkay, I have to go now...
19:51.33morsingDraw break!
19:58.12Copeaha
19:58.13Copehello
19:59.19angelchildhi :)
19:59.23Copewoo
19:59.28Copeor as angelchild would say
19:59.33Cope\O/
19:59.34angelchildthis CD is quite possibly the most relaxing I've ever listened to
19:59.36angelchild\o/
19:59.40angelchild<o/ \o> \\o o//
19:59.41angelchild4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12* 4*\o/12*
19:59.45angelchildetc
20:00.36angelchild:(
20:01.35Copeoooh!
20:01.38Copemore arguing!
20:01.39Cope:(
20:02.02angelchild:<
20:02.04angelchildwhat about?
20:02.46Copeunsure
20:02.50Copemummy and sister :(
20:02.53angelchildoh :o
20:03.12angelchildplay some relaxing music, they do that outside the Co-ops here to "calm the chavs down"
20:04.55Copeshouting over
20:04.56ErwinClassical musical has been sucessfully used in such a case to make young kids stop lingering in front of the supermarkets.
20:12.00ErwinBegging for mercy?
20:13.41Copelol
20:14.46Copesups
20:14.47Copebrb
22:07.13ErwinLooks like someone did get that jackpot. Why is the Camelot site so slow? :-)
22:13.26murbwas it me?
22:14.39ErwinI was wrong, the next week's is 125 mil
22:15.41murbhow much does a ticket cost?
22:16.03murband how many tickets do i need to buy to win?
22:19.38ErwinI think there are 5 1-50 numbers and 2 1-10 numbers, so that's 31 billion tickets
22:21.01CopeErwin: what do you recommend for getting python to talk to oracle?
22:21.08CopeErwin: I've read about cx_Oracle
22:21.27CopeErwin: but I'd rather not have to get '3rd party' stuff
22:21.33murbErwin: oh that is silly numbers.
22:21.42murbi'm not buying a ticket with those odds.
22:21.45Copelol
22:23.28ErwinCope: There are no built-in SQL DB modules -- I only use PG
22:23.51CopeErwin: what's PG?
22:23.57Copeoh
22:23.58Copesorry
22:24.00ErwinPostgresql :)
22:24.00Copesure
22:24.05Copeyeah - was being slow
22:24.26CopeErwin: what do you use to talk sqlish to you db?
22:25.03ErwinThere also seems to be a DCOracle2. I don't know the difference between them -- there's a more or less standard API DB modules have to follow, so you have the same concept of connecting, getting a cursor, doing a query and fetching the results
22:25.08ErwinFor Postgresql, I use psycopg 1.x
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22:55.59Copenn chums
22:56.24Georgesausages!!!
23:37.30Georgehrmm
23:37.31Georgeanyway

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