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| 01:20.51 | z00dax | humm... nasrat's blog got added to the planet gllug feed |
| 01:21.08 | z00dax | I wonder if planet can be made to not do that mass get everything, and understand timestamps |
| 01:21.32 | resuDaed | morning all |
| 01:21.40 | z00dax | resuDaed, |
| 01:22.17 | resuDaed | I need some inspiration, I have to do a case study in engineering, anything I want, but I can't think of anything |
| 01:23.17 | resuDaed | anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:25.20 | resuDaed | all I can think of is a sound proof air conditioned wardrobe to keep my ultra2 in |
| 01:25.48 | z00dax | just put it in a metal box and hang it outside the window |
| 01:26.20 | z00dax | and do not use during the 'sun up' hours |
| 01:26.20 | resuDaed | but I need something to write a 3-5000 word report on over the next 9 weeks |
| 01:27.05 | resuDaed | z00dax : but if the sun is never up, it doesn;t make any noise :-) |
| 01:27.30 | z00dax | and you wont need to worry about it |
| 01:27.59 | resuDaed | but, my anything in engineering case study, any ideas? |
| 01:28.22 | z00dax | the qemu-sparc environment on a decent sized desktop machine these days will give you better performance |
| 01:28.54 | z00dax | resuDaed, try the list- lots of free advice on there |
| 01:29.04 | resuDaed | but I don't have a decent desktop |
| 01:29.06 | z00dax | for me, its zzzzZZZZzzZZZZzzZzZZzZZZzzz time |
| 01:29.22 | z00dax | resuDaed, hold that thought, i'llBeBack |
| 01:29.29 | z00dax | in 8 hrs from now |
| 01:29.41 | resuDaed | I'll be in an engineering lecture |
| 01:48.21 | Leeds | ultra2? ugh |
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| 02:11.48 | Leeds | morning angelchild |
| 02:12.01 | angelchild | morning |
| 02:12.07 | angelchild | angelchild is drunk ^_^ |
| 02:12.24 | Leeds | good! |
| 02:12.31 | angelchild | exams |
| 02:12.33 | angelchild | are over! |
| 02:12.48 | Leeds | woohoo! |
| 02:13.33 | angelchild | :D |
| 02:14.19 | Leeds | A* all round? |
| 02:14.56 | angelchild | i don't know |
| 02:15.06 | angelchild | i was trying to forget how badly i might have done |
| 02:15.15 | angelchild | because i didn't feel up for exams |
| 02:16.18 | Leeds | oops, sorry |
| 02:17.08 | angelchild | it is alright |
| 02:17.12 | angelchild | I need to get a life |
| 02:17.17 | angelchild | :D |
| 02:18.07 | Leeds | I appear to have got one... by accident |
| 02:19.43 | angelchild | teehee |
| 02:19.51 | Leeds | it's far too much work... |
| 02:20.27 | Leeds | seriously - I met some people a couple of months ago, and ended up having a *manic* January - had to beg off going to Bejing for the long weekend because I was too tired |
| 06:12.27 | murb | Leeds: you didn't have an insurance policy against that? |
| 06:14.45 | Leeds | murb: against accidentally getting a social life? no |
| 06:21.23 | Leeds | and, the phone bill for January is... |
| 06:21.40 | Leeds | a bank statement :-) |
| 06:50.10 | Leeds | ooh, I do like ad-hoc interface aliases |
| 07:02.39 | rhowe | Leeds: Security fix? |
| 07:03.51 | rhowe | hm, that's a little worrying |
| 07:04.45 | rhowe | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html doesn't even suggest that 1.5 fixes any security holes |
| 07:05.05 | Leeds | rhowe: I'm more bothered about the fixed memory leaks |
| 07:05.10 | rhowe | Leeds: Ah |
| 07:15.27 | Leeds | hmm... even the scouts run a lottery here |
| 07:16.13 | Leeds | not, you know, that the Chinese like a flutter, or anything |
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| 07:29.40 | morsing | .join #aix |
| 07:29.59 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 07:41.25 | Leeds | argh, I broke DNS |
| 07:44.06 | Leeds | fixed that |
| 07:44.30 | morsing | Broke how? |
| 07:48.13 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 07:48.46 | Leeds | well, switched from my old server (PII-400, 160MB RAM, 8GB disk) to my new server (PIV-2.8, 1GB RAM, 160GB or so) |
| 07:49.18 | Leeds | forgot that the old server was the office DNS proxy/cache thing and the new one wasn't running the server software - then forgot that the new one, while in testing mode, didn't have a route to the internet |
| 07:51.45 | Leeds | now all I've got to do is work out what the fsck is wrong with the https |
| 07:55.10 | Leeds | it's talking http on port 443 rather than https |
| 07:56.45 | morsing | Check it! |
| 07:58.22 | Leeds | I'm trying! |
| 08:02.59 | Leeds | and, with no noticable changes to the config, it's talking ssl now... I don't like that |
| 08:08.45 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 08:08.47 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:10.24 | murb | Leeds: normally does that when you forget to enable SSLEngine |
| 08:10.45 | murb | could flacy DNS have timed out on the first start? |
| 08:10.49 | murb | breaking the vhost? |
| 08:15.30 | Leeds | SSLEngine was on... could well have been dns |
| 08:37.58 | wethrin | hel |
| 08:38.01 | wethrin | lo |
| 08:38.08 | Leeds | goo |
| 08:38.10 | Leeds | d mo |
| 08:38.11 | Leeds | rning |
| 08:38.18 | wethrin | It's too early! |
| 08:50.18 | morsing | wethrin: What's the difference between the ticket types on Eurostar? |
| 08:52.51 | morsing | 'morning wethrin |
| 09:02.45 | Leeds | or 1.75 billion HKG |
| 09:02.45 | morsing | Leeds: Play the lottery |
| 09:02.55 | Leeds | morsing: I am playing the lottery! |
| 09:03.04 | morsing | The UK national lottery |
| 09:03.14 | Leeds | ibot change 1750000000 hkd to gbp |
| 09:03.34 | morsing | ibot change Leeds to pounds |
| 09:03.51 | Leeds | morsing: this is the Scout Association of Hong Kong 2006 raffle - more chance of winning, and cuter tickets |
| 09:03.57 | Leeds | oh, and cheaper tickets |
| 09:03.58 | morsing | Leeds: What did you have for breakfast? |
| 09:04.07 | morsing | cuter tickets?!" |
| 09:04.17 | morsing | What was on your mind right there :-) |
| 09:04.28 | murb | Leeds: a pair? |
| 09:05.17 | Leeds | they've got a picture of a couple of scouts on them! oh, plus some money-off vouchers attached :-) |
| 09:05.30 | Leeds | morsing: weetabix, toast, and a tuna bun |
| 09:06.35 | rhowe | "ring - cannot autosense!" |
| 09:07.32 | rhowe | ah, looks like what it meant to say was "$imagename header lacks magic string - cannot autosense" |
| 09:07.47 | morsing | Leeds: Scan the pictures and send it over :-) |
| 09:08.06 | murb | I've found qemu now days makes a good dosemu replacement. |
| 09:08.09 | Leeds | hmm... a round of sa-learn seems to have significantly improved my spam-catching |
| 09:08.45 | morsing | Mmm... jlaunch |
| 09:20.21 | morsing | EXCESSIVE LOAD ON PROCESSOR |
| 09:21.00 | murb | CPU on fire. |
| 09:21.16 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.53 | rhowe | murb: It may well do a better job actually |
| 09:23.59 | rhowe | murb: This is for running the Windows installer |
| 09:25.04 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 09:25.08 | morsing | How are you? |
| 09:30.13 | rhowe | morsing: Hm, not bad. Flathunting at the moment |
| 09:30.56 | morsing | rhowe: In Aylesbury? |
| 09:31.04 | morsing | When are you coming over for a drink? |
| 09:31.22 | rhowe | morsing: Hm, anywhere which has good links to london bridge or baker street, I guess |
| 09:31.36 | rhowe | Oh, and the city (liverpool st/moorgate area) |
| 09:38.05 | morsing | rhowe? |
| 09:42.52 | morsing | Where do I get libgd for AIX? |
| 09:44.42 | Leeds | as source and build it, like all sane people |
| 09:45.19 | murb | Leeds: he'll be asking where to get a C Compiler next. |
| 09:46.01 | Leeds | ftp.gnu.org |
| 09:51.07 | morsing | Leeds: How do I build it? |
| 09:51.15 | morsing | murb: What's a sea compiler? |
| 09:52.02 | Leeds | ./configure ; make ; sudo make install |
| 09:53.20 | morsing | Leeds: It's not on ftp.gnu.org |
| 09:53.32 | Leeds | the C compiler is |
| 09:53.41 | morsing | Leeds: I need libgd |
| 09:53.54 | Leeds | ibot google for libgd |
| 09:54.21 | Leeds | bah |
| 09:55.10 | Leeds | morsing google for libgd |
| 09:58.57 | morsing | checking for iconv.h... yes |
| 09:59.53 | Leeds | morsing: so you're going to have a busy day tomorrow, apparently |
| 10:00.29 | murb | tomorrow is friday. |
| 10:00.47 | Leeds | million-to-one chances "include a manned expedition to Mars discovering the Loch Ness monster there, and David Beckham winning the World Cup as England manager with Brooklyn Beckham scoring the winning goal and Romeo coming on as a substitute." |
| 10:01.15 | Leeds | the big draw is 76 million-to-one |
| 10:02.15 | murb | what are the odds of a nuclear strike on Iran? |
| 10:03.16 | Leeds | I don't know, and I wonder if it would be ethical to allow a bet on it |
| 10:03.56 | Leeds | this is very dangerous - there is a table full of chocolates (new year spares) just around the corner in the office |
| 10:07.13 | morsing | ld: 0711-317 ERROR: Undefined symbol: .cos |
| 10:07.14 | murb | do any bookmakers take bets on such things? |
| 10:07.14 | morsing | ? |
| 10:07.38 | morsing | Leeds: Yes, as last two Fridays I'll be here till after 8 |
| 10:09.08 | murb | morsing: seems it can't link against a missing symbol. |
| 10:09.23 | murb | s/against/because of/ |
| 10:09.42 | murb | ibot: please really really ignore me, or better still leave. |
| 10:09.49 | Leeds | murb: that's my point - in general, they'll take a bet on anything, but they'd have to calculate the odds, and I'm not sure betting on a nuclear attack would be considered ethical |
| 10:10.08 | Leeds | plus you'd probably have to bet quite a bit in order for it to be worth their time calculating it |
| 10:10.26 | Leeds | s/plus you'd probably have to bet quite a bit in order for it to be worth their time calculating it/something completely different/ |
| 10:10.30 | morsing | murb: It suggests running with -bloadmap or -bnoquiet but when I do it says |
| 10:10.31 | morsing | gcc: `-b' must come at the start of the command line |
| 10:10.35 | murb | and they wouldn't take the bet if you were an Iranian diplomat? |
| 10:10.42 | morsing | murb: How do I find out what's wrong? |
| 10:10.59 | morsing | Leeds: Help |
| 10:11.04 | murb | morsing: what was it trying to do when it died? |
| 10:11.48 | morsing | gcc -g -O2 -o .libs/fontwheeltest fontwheeltest.o -L./.libs -lgd -lpng -lz -liconv -Wl,-bnolibpath -Wl,-blibpath:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/lib |
| 10:13.04 | morsing | murb: Any clues? |
| 10:13.12 | Leeds | morsing: -lmath |
| 10:13.24 | morsing | Leeds: Add that? |
| 10:13.33 | Leeds | or probably -lm |
| 10:13.33 | murb | morsing: it might be able to calculate cosines |
| 10:13.48 | murb | oh yeah inferior c libraries. |
| 10:13.52 | morsing | collect2: library libm not found |
| 10:14.00 | Leeds | morsing: get a real UNIX |
| 10:14.08 | morsing | collect2: library libmath not found |
| 10:14.19 | morsing | Leeds: It is Unix02 compliant |
| 10:14.21 | murb | morsing: try -lm |
| 10:14.27 | murb | morsing: so probably is windows. |
| 10:14.31 | morsing | collect2: library libm not found |
| 10:14.32 | Leeds | not Austin Group compliant? |
| 10:14.52 | Leeds | morsing: man cos |
| 10:15.37 | morsing | Manual entry for cos not found or not installed. |
| 10:15.44 | Leeds | install libm |
| 10:16.07 | murb | find . -type f -name \*.a -exec nm -l \{} \; | grep cos |
| 10:16.20 | murb | or something. |
| 10:16.43 | Leeds | bah - I'm going home |
| 10:16.57 | morsing | cos d 537002892 4 |
| 10:16.57 | morsing | cos U - |
| 10:16.57 | morsing | .cos T 268439460 |
| 10:16.57 | morsing | .cos t 268439460 40 |
| 10:16.57 | morsing | .cos U - |
| 10:17.07 | morsing | Leedshome! |
| 10:17.21 | morsing | murb: Only you can help me now! |
| 10:20.54 | morsing | murb? |
| 10:21.24 | murb | can you try that in the same place that has libc.a |
| 10:21.35 | murb | s#place#directory# |
| 10:38.02 | morsing | connection info esn = 584E-2D6B-18AB; addr = INET/192.168.129.67/9004; ku hash = 42cc6e145f43a69e6a1bcc72e1d7592e47401719, mech = DSA; time-limit = 24h; data-limit = 8MB |
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| 10:39.34 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:39.34 | murb | morsing: sorry? |
| 10:39.42 | morsing | murb: Your welcome |
| 10:39.46 | morsing | you're |
| 10:40.29 | kbsingh | morsing, ! |
| 10:40.37 | kbsingh | snow anyone ? |
| 10:41.17 | murb | morsing: warum? |
| 10:41.31 | morsing | murb: Weil! |
| 10:41.58 | murb | bah |
| 10:42.14 | boudiccas | kbsingh; why 'snow'? |
| 10:43.55 | kbsingh | it was -4 last night where i live, can snow of sorts be far behind ? |
| 10:44.18 | kbsingh | its -3 up here in the HEX area |
| 10:44.22 | boudiccas | ah, i see. possibly too cold and windy for snow |
| 10:44.40 | kbsingh | ah well. |
| 10:44.45 | boudiccas | currently -1 in Maidstone |
| 10:45.00 | murb | still snow here. |
| 10:45.24 | boudiccas | murb; where are you? |
| 10:47.01 | murb | Wi, Hessen. |
| 10:47.39 | boudiccas | sounds like Germany to me |
| 10:50.11 | rhowe | isn't it London.pm tonight? |
| 10:50.52 | murb | i fell off their mailing lists. |
| 10:51.07 | murb | apparently they think a 4xx response is a bounce. |
| 10:54.49 | morsing | murb: Ok, installing libm and running gcc with -lm sorted that |
| 10:55.03 | morsing | How do I get configure to insert -lm where needed? |
| 10:55.33 | murb | it should have already done that automagically. |
| 10:56.00 | morsing | Really? |
| 10:56.24 | murb | there might b something like LDLIBS= in your makrfile |
| 10:56.27 | murb | add it to the list. |
| 10:57.08 | morsing | checking for sin in -lm... yes |
| 10:57.10 | morsing | Yay! |
| 10:58.45 | murb | ok, should be automagic now. |
| 10:58.54 | murb | they i didn't fail before i dunno. |
| 11:02.28 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.34 | morsing | What does that mean? |
| 11:02.38 | morsing | What archive? |
| 11:05.27 | morsing | murb? |
| 11:07.38 | murb | probably an ar hive. |
| 11:25.18 | morsing | ar hive? |
| 11:27.07 | murb | ar chive i mean. |
| 11:27.24 | murb | still refusing to link? |
| 11:30.17 | morsing | Yes |
| 11:30.21 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.57 | JAV | good morning |
| 12:05.00 | rhowe | mm, lunch |
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| 12:39.43 | wethrin | hello |
| 12:43.30 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:43.32 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 12:43.37 | wethrin | You keep missing me! |
| 12:43.41 | morsing | wethrin: Still going to FOSDEM? |
| 12:43.49 | wethrin | yEAH |
| 12:43.51 | morsing | When are you arriving? |
| 12:43.57 | wethrin | Middle of the day sometime |
| 12:44.09 | wethrin | I ought to book flights |
| 12:44.14 | wethrin | And rebook the hostel. Grrr. |
| 12:45.08 | mozrat | Hello guys |
| 12:56.03 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 12:56.10 | morsing | When did you get here? |
| 12:57.33 | mozrat | I've been lurking on a detached screen session for a while |
| 12:57.38 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 12:58.20 | morsing | Crap. Got a cold |
| 13:01.25 | mozrat | bummer |
| 13:04.11 | morsing | Mmm... lemsip |
| 13:05.02 | mozrat | I wrote some really nice Python code for ppl at work over the weekend - was rather upset to see it not work on Mac |
| 13:05.13 | mozrat | even with Python2.4 (default on Mac is Python2.3) |
| 13:05.25 | kbsingh | mozrat, ! |
| 13:05.31 | mozrat | hey kbsingh!! |
| 13:05.34 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 13:05.51 | kbsingh | mozrat, not too bad... taking things easy :) |
| 13:05.57 | mozrat | kbsingh: My loathing of SUSE has ebbed and flowed this year so far |
| 13:06.14 | mozrat | on good days it is a steady trickle |
| 13:06.23 | mozrat | on bad days it is Niagra Falls |
| 13:07.10 | kbsingh | haha |
| 13:07.52 | kbsingh | is it just a case of them doing things differently ? or is there more to it ? |
| 13:08.31 | mozrat | mainly YaST2 being a pig |
| 13:08.36 | mozrat | functional but horrible to use |
| 13:08.49 | mozrat | and no online repositories for SLES |
| 13:08.53 | mozrat | I have to create my own |
| 13:09.41 | morsing | Neil is leaving :-( |
| 13:09.48 | kbsingh | mozrat, have you tried out SmartPm as yet / |
| 13:10.26 | mozrat | morsing: Neil? |
| 13:10.32 | mozrat | kbsingh: wassthatthen? |
| 13:11.10 | kbsingh | its a package manager ( gustavo of Connectiva fame, now Cannonical fame ) is the one behind most of the development |
| 13:11.39 | kbsingh | Mshroeder and Associates at suse have often given it the thumbs up |
| 13:12.06 | kbsingh | http://labix.org/smart |
| 13:13.02 | kbsingh | http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/System/smart |
| 13:13.34 | kbsingh | ( if you want to venture out beyond YaSt for repo's etc you create yourself etc ) |
| 13:13.59 | mozrat | ah right |
| 13:14.17 | mozrat | well - our idea is to be able to hand the server over to any Novell trained or SUSE savvy engineer |
| 13:14.28 | mozrat | so we are staying to the confines of what they give us to work with |
| 13:14.29 | kbsingh | YaSt it is then :) |
| 13:14.42 | mozrat | yep |
| 13:15.11 | mozrat | I'm gettin there - there would have been a learning curve with CentOS/RHES coming from Debian anyway so it isn't all bad |
| 13:15.32 | mozrat | plus I got the chance to run 2 training classes on basic SUSE for my Windows/Mac centric peers here |
| 13:15.44 | mozrat | and I'm doing the same in NYC in March as well so all in all it's been good |
| 13:15.50 | kbsingh | I bet the Maccies love it to bits |
| 13:15.59 | mozrat | hmm - yes and no |
| 13:16.03 | kbsingh | :) |
| 13:16.09 | mozrat | they have been more productive on their macs since |
| 13:16.10 | mozrat | :-) |
| 13:16.17 | mozrat | and the Windows guys quite like UnxUtils |
| 13:23.06 | morsing | In ten minutes I have to give a number to my manager |
| 13:23.20 | morsing | Saying how happy I am between 1 and 10 |
| 13:24.34 | morsing | mozrat: Neil is a tester that has worked here for four and a half years. Good guy. |
| 13:31.59 | kbsingh | windows guys like to spend all their day tweaking and playing with the os and stuff, rather than actually doing anything |
| 13:34.05 | Erwin | Indeed. Ever see a Linux user spend days on something trivial like recompiling packages to "customize" them to their system? Never. |
| 13:34.54 | kbsingh | Erwin, nope. never |
| 13:46.15 | mozrat | morsing: shame |
| 13:47.37 | Leedshome | morsing: how did it fail on the mac? |
| 13:47.38 | morsing | mozrat: His leaving do is at the porter house tomorrow. Do you want to come? |
| 13:47.44 | Leedshome | uh, that's mozrat :-) |
| 13:47.45 | morsing | Leedshome: What?! |
| 13:48.05 | Leedshome | morsing: mozrat is back so I can resume making tedious and repetitive jokes |
| 13:48.12 | mozrat | Leedshome: hello there |
| 13:48.21 | mozrat | morsing: sorry, cannot :( |
| 13:48.23 | mozrat | working tomorrow |
| 13:48.32 | mozrat | Leeds, first of all Tiger ships with Python 2.3 |
| 13:48.37 | Leedshome | anyone for paintball on the 19th? |
| 13:48.50 | mozrat | so I installed 2.4 and there was a syntax problem reported inside cookielib |
| 13:48.58 | Leedshome | and what 2.4-isms were you using? |
| 13:49.06 | Leedshome | would it not have been easier to backport your code? |
| 13:49.31 | mozrat | I "gahh"'d and walked away but I can find out for you |
| 13:49.45 | Leedshome | fair enough - just wondering |
| 13:49.58 | mozrat | Leedshome: no 2.4-isms in my script. It failed on cookielib which ships with it |
| 13:50.07 | Leedshome | morsing: can/did you give a negative number? |
| 13:50.15 | mozrat | I'll find the error - one sec |
| 13:50.17 | morsing | Leedshome: Yes I am! |
| 13:50.56 | morsing | Leedshome: He forgot to ask :-) |
| 13:51.03 | morsing | Leedshome: When's the paintball? |
| 13:51.26 | Leedshome | a rather unfortunate side-effect of reading a pop-anthropology book about the English is a tendency to analyse everybody around me - including myself - as to levels of Englishness |
| 13:51.32 | Leedshome | Kowloon Bay |
| 13:52.21 | Leedshome | http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/thread7634.html |
| 13:52.57 | mozrat | Leedshome: are you using a package called MacPython-2.4 on your mac? |
| 13:53.44 | morsing | http://www.national-lottery.co.uk |
| 13:54.29 | Leedshome | mozrat: I barely use my mac (powerbook, that is - the mac mini is running slackintosh quite happily), and I don't have Tiger |
| 13:54.42 | mozrat | Leedshome: fair enough |
| 13:54.47 | morsing | mozrat: Have you bought your euromillions ticket yet? |
| 13:54.55 | mozrat | nope |
| 13:55.16 | kbsingh | morsing, I'll buy one as soon as you give me the numbers |
| 13:55.23 | kbsingh | s/the/the winning/ |
| 13:55.32 | kbsingh | and this needs to be atleast 4 hrs pre-draw |
| 13:55.53 | Erwin | The sales were up 1000% last week |
| 13:56.25 | kbsingh | Erwin, how many did you get ? |
| 13:57.03 | mozrat | Annoyingly installing MacPython-2.4 doesn't seem to put binaries anywhere sensible.. nothing in /Applications/MacPython-2.4 or in /usr/bin |
| 13:57.18 | mozrat | all the python binaries still report 2.3 as the version |
| 13:57.39 | Leedshome | uh... when you say 'installing' what do you mean? |
| 13:58.09 | morsing | kbsingh: 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 |
| 13:58.10 | Erwin | kbsingh: Hehe, I just ordered the default 4-week 4-ticket thing from the website. It's fun to think what you could do with 125 million. I might afford a nicer flat for once. |
| 13:58.19 | kbsingh | morsing, liar |
| 13:58.29 | morsing | Erwin: Were they?! |
| 13:58.30 | kbsingh | I got those the last time, and didnt win a sausage |
| 13:58.48 | Leedshome | Erwin: I've been getting people here very excited with the idea of a $1750000000 lottery |
| 13:59.11 | kbsingh | i need ,'s in there to parse it right |
| 13:59.24 | Leedshome | $1,750,000,000 |
| 13:59.26 | kbsingh | $1,750,000,000 |
| 14:00.07 | Leedshome | although there was apparently a $7,000,000,000 jackpot at the races on Tuesday if you managed to pick either 3 winners in a row or the first three in one particular race - not sure which |
| 14:00.10 | kbsingh | wow, so can someone from HK buy a EuroMillions ticket then ? ( and win and keep winnings ) |
| 14:00.38 | kbsingh | i bet the odds of winning at the races were much higher than winning the lottery down here |
| 14:00.39 | Leedshome | anyone can buy, AFAIK, but you need a UK address and bank account to buy online - from morsing's site, anyway |
| 14:01.00 | murb | they do say it is intedned for uk residence only. |
| 14:01.28 | Leedshome | so, for example, are tourists prohibited from buying tickets over-the-counter? |
| 14:02.34 | murb | worse case they don't let you get the money, middle ccase you end up pyaing lots of tax somewhere. |
| 14:03.11 | murb | i suspect the ending up paying loads of tax somewhere is the most probable outcome. |
| 14:03.46 | murb | you could claim it was a capital gain of $prize - $costofticketspurchased. |
| 14:05.21 | murb | how many tickets must you purchase to garantee a win? |
| 14:06.13 | murb | http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/promotions/promotions.do?promo=contactfaq#ch5 |
| 14:08.07 | murb | hmm if you invest 114413040 and buy all combinations and someone else doesn't win... |
| 14:08.12 | murb | you could make a little bit of cash. |
| 14:09.19 | murb | http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/games/euroPrizeAllocation.do # fun currancy risk! |
| 14:14.11 | morsing | "The EuroMillions jackpot keeps growing until won," |
| 14:14.16 | morsing | This is no longer true! |
| 14:14.42 | murb | i saw. |
| 14:14.48 | morsing | Where> |
| 14:14.49 | morsing | ? |
| 14:15.02 | murb | they changed the terms and conditions on teh 20th of january |
| 14:15.18 | murb | it says on the nationa-lottery.co.uk website. |
| 14:15.27 | morsing | murb: Yeah I know. Where was that published? |
| 14:15.30 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 14:15.44 | *** part/#gllug wenceslao (n=wencesla@82-71-33-132.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 14:16.09 | murb | and the website is quite clear that i will be disqulified if i don't meet all the conditions one of which is being a uk resident. |
| 14:16.41 | murb | morsing: and the website only lets you have 500 quid credit so it would be a bit tricky to purchase all combinations |
| 14:16.49 | murb | unless they will take it from a credit card. |
| 14:17.02 | murb | because if the estimate is correct you'd more than break even assuming no other winner. |
| 14:17.09 | murb | bit of a gamble really that assumption. |
| 14:18.16 | kbsingh | take from a CC - assuming your bank lets you charge 114 Million Pounds at one go |
| 14:19.01 | murb | kbsingh: they'd probably think you were trying to DoS their website as well. |
| 14:19.35 | murb | i'm guessing their online foo would probably break before you got your 77m tickets. |
| 14:20.21 | murb | and it would be cheaper to do it in euros. |
| 14:20.34 | morsing | murb: They do take it from a credit card |
| 14:20.52 | murb | as 2 euros is less than 1.5 quid. |
| 14:21.14 | murb | so find which lottery operator as the easiest to use online foo and do it viat here. |
| 14:21.29 | murb | you'd be stupid to do this with camerlot. |
| 14:22.21 | kbsingh | if you were going to spend 100 Million +, Camelot would send someone out to you, or get a limousine or something out and get you, escort you down to the some posh setup, get the bank's people there too - and then get you to sign off the money / get the bank to assure it there and then. and walk away |
| 14:23.14 | Erwin | I wonder if Lloyd could insure you against losing :) |
| 14:23.32 | kbsingh | Erwin, lets find out. |
| 14:25.53 | kbsingh | hrm, aparently govt legislation prevents them from insuring against loss at gamling, lottery and rotation of funds schemes |
| 14:26.17 | kbsingh | worth a laugh anyway :) |
| 14:26.37 | morsing | 02/02/06 13:20:17 ANR8468I LTO volume A00563 dismounted from drive DRIVE1 |
| 14:26.40 | Leedshome | hmm... 400 pages in a little over 48 hours... |
| 14:26.43 | kbsingh | Gambling that was |
| 14:27.09 | boudiccas | Leedshome; what was the book? |
| 14:27.26 | Leedshome | boudiccas: Watching the English, as Erwin correctly identified |
| 14:27.39 | boudiccas | oh, never heard of it |
| 14:28.15 | Erwin | Heh, the last time I managed to read a book cover-to-cover uninterrupted was when I read Clifford Stoll's Cuckoo's Egg |
| 14:28.27 | Leedshome | pop-anthropology - quite funny in places, a bit repetitive, and as I said earlier, has given me a tendency to count the number of times I say "Thank you" in a day |
| 14:29.28 | Leedshome | I haven't read the Cuckoo's Egg for a while... |
| 14:30.29 | Leedshome | I actually went to the bookshop for a completely different book, which I suspect will be a lot less easy to read |
| 14:30.48 | Erwin | Shalimar the Clown? |
| 14:30.55 | Leedshome | "In what could be a new low for drug smugglers, puppies have been found with bags of heroin stitched inside their bellies." |
| 14:31.15 | Leedshome | Birdsong, by Sebastian Faulks |
| 14:32.03 | kbsingh | Erwin, have you read Shalimar the clown ? |
| 14:33.07 | Erwin | kbsingh: Nah. The last serious piece of contemporary lit I've read was "Middlesex". Things like "Line of Beauty" have been gathering dust for half a year now. |
| 14:33.40 | kbsingh | ah right. nevermind. I went through Shalimar the Clown, unless you read rushdie for it being a rusdie, I'd avoid it |
| 14:35.36 | Erwin | Right now I'm reading "Radiance" by Carter Scholz, a tale of clash of scientific minds and politics in a nuclear defense lab, developing a sort some sort of SDI technology |
| 14:36.52 | Leedshome | for the record, before reading this book, the last real books I read were the first 3.5 Narnia books... then I got bogged down |
| 14:37.01 | kbsingh | hahahahahaha! |
| 14:37.49 | kbsingh | I've not read anything non-technical for over a month now. |
| 14:38.11 | Erwin | I've run out of technical books to read. |
| 14:38.35 | kbsingh | Erwin, lots of stuff online, and when you finish that, then start working your way through the linux kernel source |
| 14:40.56 | Erwin | Well, I'm out of the embedded industry and have done my share of C programming, so I'm weary of the low-level stuff now |
| 14:41.02 | wethrin | Who's going to London.pm tonight? |
| 14:41.49 | Erwin | The last interesting book I've read was the Ruby Rails one (even though I use Python) -- it was an example of a well-done open-source based project with a good structure |
| 14:43.15 | morsing | wethrin: Are you? |
| 14:43.28 | wethrin | no |
| 14:43.50 | morsing | So why did you ask? :-) |
| 14:44.12 | wethrin | Wondering who else was going :) |
| 14:46.44 | Leedshome | not me |
| 14:50.50 | morsing | Do you? |
| 14:52.28 | Leedshome | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.announce/5909 |
| 14:55.08 | kbsingh | not me, not going. I am open for the 15th though, just to come around and meet people. |
| 15:07.04 | Leedshome | okay, my spamassassin does seem *significantly* better after a round of sa-learning this afternoon |
| 15:11.26 | murb | rhowe: not BCN for native v6ness? |
| 15:14.22 | wethrin | But nothing uses IPv6 in the real world! :) |
| 15:14.55 | kbsingh | wethrin, but we're out of IPv4, like was it 2002 we were to run out ? |
| 15:14.56 | rhowe | murb: Nah |
| 15:15.12 | Leedshome | "Peter Mandelson today warned Muslim countries that they risk breaking trade law if they boycott Danish goods in protest at the publication of 'blasphemous' cartoons of the prophet Muhammad" |
| 15:15.22 | rhowe | murb: Native or non-native doesn't make a great deal of difference to me where IPv6 is concerned at the moment |
| 15:15.25 | murb | hah! |
| 15:15.35 | murb | Leedshome: you can't really do much if consumers are doing the boycotting. |
| 15:15.41 | rhowe | murb: I don't even have an active tunnel at the moment, after tunnel bounces tended to cause Linux to oops on the Soekris |
| 15:16.13 | murb | rhowe: that doesn't sound very good :(. |
| 15:16.22 | Leedshome | murb: I think it was more the question of just how effective a threat that was likely to be |
| 15:16.31 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, that pretty much sucked. No doubt solvable by updating the kernel, but that takes some effort to do |
| 15:16.40 | rhowe | murb: Then again, I did set up a 2.6.15.2 tree last night, so there's hope yet |
| 15:16.45 | murb | rhowe: what are you running on the soekris userland wise? |
| 15:16.50 | rhowe | murb: sarge :P |
| 15:17.10 | rhowe | murb: Patching up a kernel for that box is a bit of a pain - netfilter patch-o-matic stuff, IPv6 stuff and IIRC some other bits and pieces |
| 15:17.36 | rhowe | murb: There was some i2c stuff and a TSC bugfix, but they might be integrated into mainline now |
| 15:17.50 | murb | rhowe: well now the stateful matching for v6 is in 2.6.16rc1 |
| 15:18.24 | murb | and the userspace helper for ip6tables is in latest iptables release. |
| 15:18.43 | wethrin | Meh. OpenBSD had that a long time ago :) |
| 15:19.09 | murb | wethrin: linux had that long ago. |
| 15:20.04 | rhowe | murb: Oh good. That was the main thing I was patching for, as well as the netfilter iplimit module |
| 15:20.22 | Cope | :0 |
| 15:20.34 | Leedshome | evening Cope |
| 15:20.37 | Cope | HELLO |
| 15:20.39 | Cope | erm |
| 15:20.41 | Cope | hello |
| 15:20.47 | murb | it is now unified with x_tables, so it isn't the same as the old patch. |
| 15:20.54 | murb | from usagi. |
| 15:21.16 | Cope | hello murb |
| 15:21.25 | rhowe | x_tables being where they factored stuff out from iptables that was common to both v4 and v6? |
| 15:21.54 | murb | rhowe: that and nf_tables. |
| 15:22.00 | murb | or whatever it is called. |
| 15:22.01 | rhowe | nf_tables, that was it, IIRC |
| 15:22.10 | rhowe | Yeah, I think I know what you're referring to, at least :) |
| 15:22.28 | murb | i need to build a 2.6.16rc1 domU to play with it. |
| 15:22.42 | murb | i also need a faster test box. |
| 15:22.56 | rhowe | murb: I've got a 133MHz 486 soekris kicking around... :P |
| 15:23.02 | murb | if you don't test it they won't find your bugs. |
| 15:23.10 | murb | for you. |
| 15:23.32 | murb | rhowe: i recently deployed such a soekris as a fw/gw/wireless thing. |
| 15:23.33 | rhowe | This is true |
| 15:23.38 | murb | drilled a hole in a soekris case for the ma311 |
| 15:23.38 | rhowe | murb: Working well? |
| 15:23.43 | murb | well working atleast. |
| 15:23.55 | murb | with an evillly modified m0n0wall |
| 15:24.06 | murb | to make racoon interopeate... |
| 15:24.15 | rhowe | murb: I think I was also patching in madwifi.. I still need to try the OSS drivers for the Atheros, but I haven't had a weekend or evening at home free to do it for a long time |
| 15:24.37 | murb | the atheros devices i found were expensive. |
| 15:24.41 | rhowe | murb: Also, I need to make sure I'm around for a good week or so after trying something new, just in case I crashed it |
| 15:24.46 | rhowe | or it died randomly.. |
| 15:24.56 | murb | well the wirless as stopped working on this box. |
| 15:25.00 | rhowe | Others rely on it, and if I'm not around to fix it, the landlady gets upset |
| 15:25.08 | murb | actually the guy fiddled with host laptop wireless configuration i think. |
| 15:25.23 | murb | tis a dlink thing with lots of options, which have to be set so so for it to all function at all. |
| 15:25.26 | rhowe | murb: I can kill madwifi just by trying to pair up with it using a laptop or palmtop |
| 15:25.52 | rhowe | murb: Not sure why. I even caused it to panic once. The only thing it seems happy talking to is the madwifi gateway upstairs |
| 15:26.13 | rhowe | A friend's had it for about a year, to paint |
| 15:28.42 | Leedshome | wow, slow paint |
| 15:29.47 | murb | maybe he is waiting for it to tdry |
| 15:30.39 | rhowe | Bloody students |
| 15:31.06 | murb | i was thinking of setting up a soekris reception service. |
| 15:31.21 | murb | for people who bought them ages ago and then "forgot" about them. |
| 15:33.59 | rhowe | heh |
| 15:34.16 | rhowe | This thing's just waiting for me to spend time at home actually getting it to do something useful |
| 15:35.51 | Leedshome | rhowe: oy! |
| 15:35.53 | Leedshome | :-) |
| 15:43.53 | Leedshome | http://panela.blog-city.com/python_at_google_greg_stein__sdforum.htm is interesting |
| 15:44.17 | Cope | really? |
| 15:45.19 | Cope | should I look at it? |
| 15:46.20 | Leedshome | if you find the idea of a report on a talk about google's use of python - the why/how, particularly - interesting, then yes |
| 15:46.42 | Cope | ah, yes, I think I would certainly find that interesting |
| 15:46.54 | Cope | I just saw a loong url and didn't read the actual words |
| 15:47.11 | Leedshome | sorry... need a nice transparent tinyurl-type thing |
| 15:47.50 | Leedshome | ah, excessive and meaningless apologising - a sign of Englishness... |
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| 16:00.36 | Leedshome | morning capt-rogers |
| 16:12.06 | rhowe | Leedshome: heh |
| 16:14.21 | Leedshome | there I am, trying to do the exotic, yet lucky to get cheap GRPS, thing, and you've got to drop your oar in... |
| 16:16.41 | capt-rogers | gooday mate! Sorry bout the wait. Lots of channels I am visting. |
| 16:17.20 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.23 | rhowe | o.O |
| 16:17.27 | capt-rogers | Actually I am from Toronto Linux Users Group, I just like aussie-chat. |
| 16:18.03 | Leedshome | capt-rogers: you do know this isn't an Aussie channel, right? :-) |
| 16:18.10 | capt-rogers | i know.... |
| 16:18.42 | Leedshome | I've got family (ish) in Toronto - never been to Canadia myself |
| 16:18.50 | capt-rogers | Where in GTA? |
| 16:19.32 | Leedshome | dunno, to be honest - the Jewish area? |
| 16:21.10 | murb | rhowe: so try bcn now? |
| 16:21.10 | capt-rogers | Since last summer, I have been taking thousands of hi-res digital pictures of all over Toronto. Then I put them on my website. So you dont have to goto Toronto. Just visit my website. http://vger1.dyndns.org the pictures are in gallery2 on the left menu.....I would recommend the Toronto Pictures to start with..... |
| 16:21.58 | capt-rogers | vger1.dyndns.org is a rhel4 server on a nat address, using dynamic dns..cheap as it gets but it works. |
| 16:22.13 | Leedshome | heh |
| 16:22.41 | Leedshome | I've been writing my own (static, python) gallery software - will shortly be hosted on a uml virtual server |
| 16:23.02 | capt-rogers | i like tellign people jsut goto google and type in "vger1" and mine is the first one. :) |
| 16:23.42 | Leedshome | as opposed to vger, the old and current lkml host |
| 16:24.15 | capt-rogers | I chose the name vger because of StarTrek I, actually in the movie it is vger6. |
| 16:24.16 | rhowe | murb: It's a BT rejection, not a UKFSN one |
| 16:24.24 | rhowe | murb: But yeah, I'll take a look at BCN |
| 16:24.30 | murb | do they already have adsl on the line? |
| 16:24.31 | rhowe | murb: Do BCN operate outside of London? |
| 16:24.42 | rhowe | murb: Nope, no ADSL, no ISDN, nothing fancy at all, AFAIK |
| 16:24.49 | Leedshome | now, why would you ship a prosumer NAS box, running Linux, which didn't support NFS? |
| 16:24.52 | rhowe | murb: Unless they switched away from BT, although i doubt it |
| 16:26.50 | Leedshome | okay, time for /me to sleep |
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| 16:56.56 | resuDaed | afternoon all |
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| 17:15.11 | rhowe | rm -rf ~/.eclipse sorted that one out :) |
| 17:17.32 | resuDaed | chmod a-x /etc/init.d/hotplug && init 6 and lets see what breaks (if anything) |
| 17:17.50 | resuDaed | my bet is the pcmcia nic |
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| 17:25.39 | resuDaed | grr, hotplug init script is not executable and hotplug still runs |
| 17:26.29 | resuDaed | still takes > 60s from power on to gdm |
| 17:27.00 | resuDaed | my battery only lasts 2 hours max, 60s to start up, 30 to shut down |
| 17:27.25 | resuDaed | (and I am fscked when my lab sessions are > 2hrs) |
| 17:29.04 | rhowe | I saw an article on one of those overclocker hardware sites about undervolting your CPU |
| 17:29.28 | rhowe | If you reduce the voltage supplying the CPU on a laptop, often it will remain stable, but cut the power usage significantly |
| 17:29.40 | rhowe | Plus, it'll run cooler (and hence use the fan less, saving more power) |
| 17:30.05 | rhowe | The guy was using some Windows utility to do it.. not sure if there's something equivalent for Linux |
| 17:30.25 | rhowe | You might be able to use cpufreq to step the speed of your CPU down if it's fairly modern |
| 17:30.45 | rhowe | What about hibernating it? Should be <60s to resume from hibernated |
| 17:30.58 | murb | rhowe: are they just talking about speedstep or whatever it is called? |
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| 17:31.06 | resuDaed | rhowe : not sure if it is possible (cpufreq), am running a p3 |
| 17:31.10 | murb | rhowe: fairly modern on not intel. |
| 17:31.25 | rhowe | murb: Kind of.. I think you can set voltages to go with the reduced clock rates |
| 17:31.31 | murb | i still rember set6x86 which did things like that on old AMD proccessors. |
| 17:31.46 | rhowe | murb: so, you can say "when idle, run at 600MHz and 1.2v" or something |
| 17:31.54 | resuDaed | atm I am trying to speed up boot, I know I can hibernate, but I want a fast boot |
| 17:32.32 | rhowe | resuDaed: I managed to speed up boot times on my Soekris by replacing the /bin/sh link with a link to bash, but some things assume /bin/sh is bash (these things should be fixed) |
| 17:32.39 | resuDaed | do either of you know anyways to sped up hotplug? the only devices that ever change are the usb and pcmcia |
| 17:32.40 | rhowe | er.. with a link to ash |
| 17:32.57 | resuDaed | rhowe : yeah, I have linked to dash |
| 17:33.09 | murb | rhowe: if things call /bin/sh in debian they had better work with not bash. |
| 17:33.13 | rhowe | resuDaed: you could also possibly remove the depmod step.. and make sure you run it manually every time you update modules |
| 17:33.24 | resuDaed | speeds up init generally, but still hotplug is the bottleneck |
| 17:33.24 | rhowe | murb: had better != always, unfortunately |
| 17:33.38 | rhowe | murb: There were a few things I had to fix |
| 17:34.08 | resuDaed | this is only a laptop, so not many services |
| 17:34.57 | rhowe | resuDaed: How about moving gdm further forward in the boot process (or pushing others further back) |
| 17:34.58 | murb | rhowe: I hope you failed bugs. |
| 17:35.02 | murb | s/failed/filed/ |
| 17:35.04 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, IIRC I did |
| 17:35.13 | murb | ibot: really really please FOAD. |
| 17:35.56 | Erwin | rhowe: Are you using busybox? That could replace many other binaries, and if statically compiled, be faster |
| 17:36.13 | rhowe | Erwin: I tried, but lots of the Debian scripts break if you use busybox |
| 17:36.24 | rhowe | Erwin: I'll be running BSD on them RSN anyway |
| 17:36.28 | rhowe | for some definition of soon |
| 17:40.05 | resuDaed | will disabling dicover in rc.S be a major problem? |
| 17:40.59 | resuDaed | ah, the other thing, on boot, it attempts to rediscover hw multiple times, any ideas why? |
| 17:41.45 | murb | win 13 |
| 17:41.46 | murb | bugger |
| 17:42.34 | resuDaed | eh? |
| 17:46.21 | rhowe | murb: Oh, Sangoma have released a low profile version of the S518 (still needs a binary chunk though). I'm not sure if it's Soekris-compatible, though |
| 17:46.44 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/c52c8 |
| 17:46.51 | rhowe | Jason has it for £90 |
| 17:47.00 | rhowe | "PCI 2.2 bus interface, 64 bit (3.3v) and 32 bit (5v) compliant." |
| 17:47.19 | rhowe | The Soekris has a 3.3v 32bit PCI slot, so I don't know if that means it's compatible or not.. the card's keyed for both 3.3v and 5v operation |
| 17:48.41 | resuDaed | a tad quicker i think, but only be a second or two :-( |
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| 18:58.06 | JAV | it's here! |
| 19:03.55 | JAV | suggested distro? |
| 20:08.37 | rhowe | ubuntu or Fedora, I guess |
| 20:08.47 | rhowe | Probably ubuntu |
| 20:09.10 | rhowe | Likely to give you the least grief as far as new hardware's concerned, but still be malleable enough to persuade the broken stuff to work |
| 20:09.55 | JAV | I downloaded ubuntu last night, but I think debian netinstall will be funnier :D |
| 20:09.57 | z00dax | fedora's not bad either |
| 20:10.18 | z00dax | fc5 is out soon, and does real easy Xen stuff too |
| 20:14.03 | JAV | http://tuxmobil.org/samsung_q30_jamie_linux.html ---> someone already solved most of it |
| 20:14.26 | JAV | it's a bit outdated, but it gives good clues |
| 20:15.17 | z00dax | I just realised that this is one of the very few channels I am on - where mostly everyone on the channel has been active at some point or the other |
| 20:15.56 | JAV | mine has similar hard |
| 21:51.28 | George | /w/win 32 |
| 21:51.30 | George | woops. |
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| 21:58.45 | boudiccas | is it possible to have a virtual machine under centos? |
| 22:01.21 | z00dax | boudiccas, I run multiple vm's most of the time - had 18 of them running earlier today under qemu Xen and vmplayer :) |
| 22:01.50 | boudiccas | where can i get hold of them or it then please? |
| 22:02.40 | z00dax | are you using i386 ? |
| 22:02.44 | boudiccas | yes |
| 22:03.22 | z00dax | dag has pkgs for qemu |
| 22:03.31 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
| 22:03.32 | z00dax | vmplayer can be downloaded directly from vmware |
| 22:04.02 | z00dax | Xen is nontrivial to setup at this time, with 4.3's release done - I'll build some pkgs and do some docs on howto get it going |
| 22:04.12 | boudiccas | i had a look at vmware/vmplayer and didn't really understand it |
| 22:04.51 | z00dax | by far, Xen is the fastest, vmplayer is not far behind. qemu is slowest |
| 22:05.29 | z00dax | boudiccas, I'll have a writeup and some test VM images this weekend for both qemu and vmplayer. |
| 22:05.52 | boudiccas | is that 'speed' as in ease of setting up, or speed of machine working? |
| 22:05.59 | boudiccas | z00dax; brilliant, ty |
| 22:06.15 | z00dax | speed while machine is running |
| 22:09.47 | boudiccas | z00dax; does that mean that i could install w2k under qemu and then play computer games [morrowind, neverwinter nights, etc] on it whilst running centos in the background on my athlon xp1800+ cpu'd machine? |
| 22:10.27 | z00dax | you would have much better luck with vmplayer than qemu |
| 22:11.04 | boudiccas | k, ty, i'll have a look for vmplayer then |
| 22:11.14 | z00dax | but yes, that might work - not sure how usable its going to be. but one way to find out |
| 22:11.22 | boudiccas | :o) |
| 22:26.48 | boudiccas | z00dax; do you know where i can get hold of a vmplayer w2k playable source please? |
| 22:28.25 | z00dax | not really. |
| 22:28.51 | z00dax | but if you have the installable media, its usually possible to just use a blank virtualmachine and install |
| 22:29.33 | boudiccas | i have the install disc would it let me create the installation then? |
| 22:30.09 | boudiccas | as they don't have any windows setups on http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/community.html |
| 22:30.19 | z00dax | bit of a workaround, a kludge even. I have some notes somewhere - will need to locate |
| 22:30.33 | z00dax | I dont think MS would like that much |
| 22:30.43 | boudiccas | no hurry, it can easily be a weekend project |
| 22:30.52 | boudiccas | they don't have to know :) |
| 22:32.21 | boudiccas | atm its just an idea to play around with, if it works it saves me building a box just for windows |
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