| 00:00.11 | gregj | don't worry, next year I am going to be there |
| 00:00.28 | wethrin | yay! |
| 00:00.38 | gregj | I just got one "customer" from London last week, wanting me to setup some services for him |
| 00:00.58 | gregj | remotely for now, but I hope he will get me ticket |
| 00:01.05 | gregj | I am missing UK to be honest, very much |
| 00:01.09 | gregj | dunno why, but I do |
| 00:01.10 | wethrin | ooh. When might you be in London? |
| 00:01.18 | gregj | no idea |
| 00:01.36 | gregj | I'll let you know, when I will know anything |
| 00:03.25 | gregj | wethrin: I must say ObjC is a very nice lang |
| 00:03.37 | wethrin | It is supposed to be quite nice. I haven't played with it, really |
| 00:04.18 | gregj | I thought you did |
| 00:04.36 | gregj | you used to use nextStep, right ? |
| 00:04.47 | gregj | on yer laptop |
| 00:04.48 | Leeds | gregj: come to Hong Kong! |
| 00:05.06 | gregj | Leeds: buy me a ticket, and I would be delighted to visit you :) |
| 00:05.22 | gregj | atm I am broke, not able to pay other things |
| 00:05.22 | wethrin | gregj: Never programmed, though |
| 00:05.23 | gregj | :( |
| 00:05.28 | gregj | wethrin: I see |
| 00:05.41 | gregj | Leeds: but I want to get there one day, and it's pretty high on my list :) |
| 00:07.22 | gregj | wethrin: at some point, you had some contact with ppl who are either writing symbian, or you did something for them actually, right ? |
| 00:07.39 | wethrin | gregj: Yes |
| 00:07.44 | wethrin | I did my MSc project with them |
| 00:07.53 | gregj | I had a guy from Police up here lately, asking me if I could make little project for them |
| 00:08.12 | gregj | "tweak" 10 or 20 phones, so they will always record all conversations "stealthy" |
| 00:08.46 | gregj | the trouble is, he is having not enough money to do it via ministry of whatever, and contact some mobile phone company |
| 00:09.08 | Erwin | o/ Every move you take / Every step you take / I'll be watching you o/ |
| 00:09.19 | gregj | thing is, there's api in symbian that allows calls recording, but the peer can hear beep every 5s |
| 00:09.38 | gregj | I wonder how can I remove it, I am sure it is pretty easy, but not to everyone :) |
| 00:10.03 | wethrin | I honestly don't know, sorry |
| 00:10.09 | gregj | so I am seeking someone who has contacts at Symbian, perhaps they can give me price, or requirements for that kinda deal |
| 00:10.11 | wethrin | I just worked a bit with the memory stuff |
| 00:10.21 | wethrin | And I don't even know who the appropriate contact would be |
| 00:10.28 | gregj | ok |
| 00:11.35 | gregj | sorry for the question, but I just recalled you saying long time ago something about workign for symbiam |
| 00:11.35 | gregj | thought it migh be good to ask you |
| 00:11.46 | wethrin | No, that's quite reasonable |
| 00:12.16 | wethrin | The only contact I had there seemed to be more involved with getting students in |
| 00:12.24 | gregj | I see |
| 00:13.02 | gregj | ok, thanks anyway |
| 00:13.09 | wethrin | sorry |
| 00:13.18 | gregj | I had other "path", there's thing called MadOS |
| 00:13.32 | gregj | guys are modding nokia's firmware, adding features |
| 00:13.45 | gregj | but that's bit more dirty |
| 00:18.53 | gregj | I was just recently wondering, whether the ELF has simillar capability to MACH-O (used on Mac) regarding multiarchitecturability (hope I got it right) |
| 00:19.10 | gregj | that is, one binary can hold DATA for more than one architecture |
| 00:19.26 | Erwin | Apparently not. |
| 00:19.36 | gregj | imagine for instance opera that is compiled for ppc/sparc/intel/amd64 |
| 00:19.43 | gregj | in one binary |
| 00:19.53 | Erwin | Does OS X use Mac or ELF? |
| 00:19.55 | gregj | MACH-O |
| 00:20.08 | Erwin | This thing is generally called "fat binaries" |
| 00:20.26 | gregj | (file something output:) |
| 00:20.27 | gregj | socketsTest: Mach-O fat file with 2 architectures |
| 00:20.27 | gregj | socketsTest (for architecture ppc): Mach-O executable ppc |
| 00:20.27 | gregj | socketsTest (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 |
| 00:21.21 | gregj | so in tihs case one binary is compiled for two archs |
| 00:21.37 | gregj | I thought they do something bit more fancy, like having two copies of binaries, etc |
| 00:22.00 | gregj | since on mac os X you have bundles that appear to user as one file, but are in fact directories |
| 00:22.16 | gregj | they could hold more than one binary file in them |
| 00:22.20 | gregj | without any issues |
| 00:22.37 | Erwin | Computer says.. no. |
| 00:22.46 | gregj | :> |
| 00:23.00 | Erwin | But there are lots of discussion on how adding fat binary support to ELF would be possible |
| 00:23.30 | gregj | it would be great on one side, for software developers, on the other hand that would mean loads of wasted space |
| 00:23.43 | gregj | it would be great for "closed source" software vendors |
| 00:23.53 | gregj | no hassle with 10 packages, just one "fat" pkg |
| 00:23.56 | Erwin | Targetting what OS/platform? |
| 00:23.57 | rhowe | gregj: It's possible to do, using extended attributes, but it would require standardisation and support |
| 00:24.36 | Erwin | You might as well make the main script a shell script that execs program.`uname -m` |
| 00:24.38 | gregj | Erwin: linux for instance, there's demand for such apps on platforms like ppc or sparc, why not just give them one binary |
| 00:24.49 | gregj | that's what ppl are doing now for ages :) |
| 00:24.50 | George | gregj! |
| 00:24.58 | George | gregj: coming to akademy 06? |
| 00:25.00 | gregj | and frankly I thoguth apple was doing the same thing |
| 00:25.13 | gregj | George: probably, but not 100% sure yet |
| 00:25.32 | George | gregj: it's probably in Dublin |
| 00:25.33 | gregj | if my firm will get me tickets, yep |
| 00:25.38 | gregj | cool |
| 00:26.03 | gregj | aye mate |
| 00:26.04 | gregj | :> |
| 00:26.06 | George | gregj: so about 10 quid to get there :P |
| 00:26.13 | gregj | exactly |
| 00:26.23 | gregj | and sleezyJet has connections from Cracow |
| 00:26.31 | gregj | anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 00:26.33 | George | crack-cow? |
| 00:26.34 | gregj | it's late |
| 00:26.36 | George | ok |
| 00:26.39 | George | byeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:26.39 | gregj | 0130 |
| 00:26.46 | gregj | George: yeah, that's where all crackers live |
| 00:26.47 | gregj | ;) |
| 00:26.48 | gregj | :P |
| 00:27.13 | George | :) |
| 00:27.16 | George | ok |
| 00:27.16 | George | cya |
| 00:28.14 | Leeds | I was approximately offered a job at Symbian 6 years ago... |
| 00:29.24 | George | approximately? |
| 00:33.17 | rhowe | approximately offered a job, or offered a job approximately 6 years ago? :) |
| 00:43.51 | pawel | it is approximately late. |
| 00:44.05 | Leeds | approximately offered a job - didn't get as far as a formal offer because I didn't want to commute into London |
| 00:44.28 | rhowe | ah :) |
| 00:44.33 | Leeds | pawel: it is approximately early, depending on your point of view |
| 00:44.47 | pawel | Leeds: and what would you do there? |
| 00:45.13 | rhowe | haha |
| 00:45.24 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.29 | rhowe | A bit late, Mr. Spammer |
| 00:45.34 | Leeds | pawel: WAP browser |
| 00:45.45 | George | Leeds: so s/approximately/almost/? :) |
| 00:46.18 | Leeds | they were ready to offer when I turned them down - those were heady days, back in early 2000 |
| 00:47.53 | pawel | rhowe: I hate those fuckin' viagra messages. |
| 00:48.07 | eye69 | rhowe: I've installed Bacula. Seems quite nice. |
| 00:48.16 | pawel | rhowe: I keep filtering it, but it keeps coming. |
| 00:49.06 | rhowe | eye69: It's OK. Has its quirks, but it's OK |
| 00:49.41 | rhowe | (seen in Private Eye a while back) "Comminucators of the Year award goes to: Stratford-on-Avon council, which spent £9,000 on a mailshot to residents informing them of Christmas 2004 office opening hours, refuse collections, etc... and posted it at the end of January 2005." |
| 00:49.49 | Leeds | I pumped up my spamassassin and my level of false negatives went way down |
| 00:51.17 | eye69 | rhowe: Just have to decide on a valume size and number, and start adding hosts. |
| 00:51.30 | eye69 | Backing up to disk. |
| 00:51.45 | rhowe | eye69: Ah, I've never used its disk backup stuff |
| 00:51.48 | eye69 | Leeds: Were/are you running MythTV? |
| 00:51.56 | z00dax | my house is fast starting to resemble a waste yard |
| 00:52.58 | Leeds | eye69: nope - a bit of freevo, and a real Tivo :-) |
| 00:53.34 | eye69 | Leeds: Ok. Just compiling MythTV...tried the Gentoo ebuild but had trouble getting TV working. |
| 00:53.46 | eye69 | If this doesn't work I'll try Freevo again. |
| 00:54.47 | Leeds | I think myth is a lot better for recording |
| 00:55.08 | Leeds | I also had a working DVB-T card, but there's none of that here |
| 00:55.48 | eye69 | I sadly don't have DVB. |
| 00:56.29 | Leeds | works pretty well in the UK - a cheap card gets you lots of decent-quality streams, which can go straight to hard drive without being processed... |
| 00:56.42 | eye69 | I don't know if I would get all my current free channels using DVB-C. |
| 00:57.06 | eye69 | Analog will disappear in my area in April. |
| 00:57.12 | z00dax | nite |
| 00:57.16 | Erwin | What's this "TV" thing? |
| 00:58.40 | eye69 | Erwin: It's new...,kind of a substitute for "life". |
| 00:59.23 | Leeds | AFAIK, in the UK, only -T is open enough to be interesting |
| 00:59.24 | Blapto | Do licence guys have the smarts to check for PCI cards yet? |
| 00:59.44 | Leeds | Erwin: it's a sort of streamed version of bittorrent |
| 01:00.24 | eye69 | I get 14 channels in total for free over cable (without a box), but I don't know if I would get all of those with a DVB-C card. |
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| 01:09.07 | ranner | Blapto: Their website mentioned PC tv cards needing a licence at least 6 years ago, but possibly a laptop with a PCMCIA card could be exempt as it'd count as a portable tv powered by it's own internal battery - I had a gamegear with a tuner at uni and it was exempt |
| 01:10.47 | Leeds | ranner: a gamegear with a tuner? you know Nintendo just announced a tuner for the DS? :-) |
| 01:11.13 | George | ooh, I should buy a gamegear |
| 01:11.16 | George | I loved mine |
| 01:11.18 | George | until I blew it up. |
| 01:11.24 | wethrin | Hm. Gamegears. You're showing your age, ranner :-) |
| 01:11.37 | wethrin | That saying, mine's in my drawer somewhere at home |
| 01:11.43 | ranner | yeah, my gamegear tuner was a bit cumbersome, but the gamegear was a great little toy |
| 01:11.49 | George | wethrin: want to give it to me? |
| 01:11.52 | ranner | mine only broke about a year ago |
| 01:11.55 | wethrin | I never had a tuner |
| 01:12.01 | George | I have a Nomad |
| 01:12.02 | wethrin | George: Swap for one of your Macs? |
| 01:12.04 | George | very very rare |
| 01:12.15 | George | wethrin: I'll pass, thanks |
| 01:13.34 | ranner | witherin: I was young when I bought it:-) |
| 01:13.43 | George | ranner: how old are you? |
| 01:13.46 | ranner | 24 |
| 01:13.54 | George | old person. |
| 01:14.35 | Leeds | children, the lot of you! |
| 01:14.37 | wethrin | He's as old as I am! |
| 01:15.04 | George | you're all old |
| 01:15.12 | wethrin | No, you're just a child |
| 01:15.42 | George | that may be, but I only have to wear one goggle when I go swimming in MY POOL! |
| 01:16.05 | eye69 | Time to turn off the TV and turn on Amarok, I feel. |
| 01:16.12 | George | yay, amarok |
| 01:16.31 | eye69 | I like it. |
| 01:16.45 | eye69 | George: For LIRC support, should I be using DCOP? |
| 01:17.14 | George | eye69: fire up irkick |
| 01:17.53 | eye69 | Ok, I did install that but haven't played with it yet. |
| 01:18.25 | eye69 | George: Oh, nice. |
| 01:18.39 | George | heh |
| 01:18.47 | George | oh fuck |
| 01:18.49 | George | I just helped someone |
| 01:18.52 | George | wethrin: FORGIVE ME |
| 01:19.05 | wethrin | Okay. But only this once |
| 01:19.20 | George | wethrin: you fat bastard |
| 01:19.37 | eye69 | George: That seems to work fine. |
| 01:19.45 | George | eye69: heh |
| 01:20.06 | wethrin | heh |
| 01:20.32 | George | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sega-nomad-genesis-16bit-handheld-boxed-6-game-free-p-p_W0QQitemZ8259057538QQcategoryZ3653QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:20.38 | George | nomads seem to go quite high on ebay |
| 01:21.25 | Leeds | uh, see the bit which says "0 bids"? |
| 01:21.29 | George | yeah |
| 01:21.42 | Leeds | on the last day of a 7-day listing? |
| 01:21.47 | George | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-NOMAD-CONSOLE-RARE-GENESIS-CARRY-CASE-2-GAMES_W0QQitemZ8257635367QQcategoryZ3653QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:21.57 | ranner | shinobi was a great game |
| 01:23.00 | George | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-NOMAD-RECHARGEABLE-BATTERY-PACK-POWERBACK-NEW_W0QQitemZ8259557167QQcategoryZ3642QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:23.04 | George | oooh, I need one of those |
| 01:23.55 | eye69 | There, done. |
| 01:24.16 | wethrin | night all |
| 01:24.20 | rhowe | ibot change 2.50 gbp to usd |
| 01:25.37 | rhowe | ibot change 16.5 gbp to usd |
| 01:40.39 | Leeds | this is lovely: http://legnangel.livejournal.com/564026.html |
| 01:41.36 | rhowe | I don't think I have the relevent font capabilities on the console |
| 01:41.45 | Leeds | originally something to do with http://mapage.noos.fr/minimiam/go.htm I think, which is a flash page and I don't have flash |
| 01:41.57 | Leeds | rhowe: it's all pictures - come back when you've left the 80's |
| 01:42.25 | George | Leeds: I want that foooooooood |
| 01:42.54 | Leeds | I want to know where my lift to work has gone... |
| 02:01.13 | George | mmm, pancakes |
| 02:05.05 | pawel | good night |
| 02:05.14 | George | night! |
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| 05:47.28 | new2unix | moin all |
| 06:10.45 | Leeds | hello |
| 06:49.28 | new2unix | hi Leeds |
| 06:52.37 | Leeds | how goes |
| 07:04.39 | new2unix | Adios amigos |
| 07:04.54 | Leeds | have fun |
| 07:39.33 | pawel | :-S |
| 07:40.03 | pawel | my plucker script stopped working, which mean no news today. :-/ |
| 07:40.25 | Leeds | pluck it! |
| 07:47.10 | Marios_ | Leeds ! |
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| 07:53.52 | Leeds | Marios_! |
| 07:54.15 | Leeds | SlayerXP! |
| 07:54.24 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 08:00.49 | Leeds | now there's a title I'd give very little for: "the world's largest supplier of Token Ring technology" |
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| 08:04.22 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 08:06.16 | Leeds | morsing! |
| 08:06.36 | morsing | How are you? |
| 08:07.26 | Leeds | not bad at all... you? |
| 08:07.37 | morsing | Ok I suppose |
| 08:07.50 | morsing | Been told my new contract was mailed yesterday |
| 08:08.41 | Leeds | have you quit yet? |
| 08:08.41 | morsing | No - waiting for the contract |
| 08:08.41 | morsing | Will do on Monday |
| 08:09.25 | Leeds | looking forward to it? |
| 08:10.29 | morsing | Resigning? A bit nervous to be honest |
| 08:10.35 | morsing | Actually leaving? |
| 08:10.52 | morsing | Yeah - but mostly because I can't wait to get out ohere |
| 08:11.06 | morsing | Not because I'm looking forward to the new job |
| 08:11.34 | Leeds | you do know the USA beat your woman at curling? |
| 08:11.41 | morsing | Shocking |
| 08:11.49 | Leeds | you don't want the new job? |
| 08:12.10 | morsing | Well, starting a new job is never ideal. |
| 08:12.24 | morsing | It's unknown if it willl be good or bad |
| 08:12.31 | Leeds | true |
| 08:12.45 | morsing | and it takes years to build up knowledge and get to know people and the company |
| 08:13.55 | Leeds | try being a contractor - a few months, maybe a couple of years, per job |
| 08:14.13 | SlayerXP | i've been EKS for about 6 years now |
| 08:14.24 | SlayerXP | all-in-all, I prefer this lifestyle |
| 08:15.22 | Leeds | Extremely Klever SlayerXP? |
| 08:25.51 | Leeds | SlayerXP: what is EKS? |
| 08:26.47 | SlayerXP | Evil Kontracting Scum |
| 08:27.45 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 08:29.44 | Leeds | I find it interesting that packets from here to there go the long way around |
| 08:30.44 | Leeds | via San Jose and Chicago, normally, it seems |
| 08:31.33 | Cope | motning |
| 08:31.41 | Cope | s/tn/rn/ |
| 08:31.56 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 08:32.54 | Cope | Leeds: no, very normal really; we host most HK sites out of San Jose - very good connectivity to west coast |
| 08:34.09 | SlayerXP | the upside to contracting is that you choose what you do and who you do it for |
| 08:34.22 | SlayerXP | you also basically get to charge whatever you like to do it, too |
| 08:34.33 | SlayerXP | the downside is that you a literally living off your reputation |
| 08:35.23 | Leeds | uh... I'm apparently routing through a machine located in "Mexico City, Hong Kong" |
| 08:35.36 | Leeds | I suspect the geolocation is wrong... |
| 08:35.49 | Leeds | Cope: of the order of 300 quids - rhowe is the expert |
| 08:36.02 | Cope | hrm |
| 08:36.59 | Cope | SlayerXP: it is interesting how many rubbish contracters I come across though |
| 08:37.05 | Cope | ors? |
| 08:37.23 | Leeds | that's special offers and so on |
| 08:37.44 | Cope | Leeds: woo! special offer - get a not very good unix admin for £100 an hour |
| 08:38.13 | Leeds | Cope: wtf? |
| 08:38.16 | SlayerXP | Cope: it's easy to be a bad contractor once or twice |
| 08:38.29 | Cope | SlayerXP: yeah, guess word gets around quickly |
| 08:38.56 | SlayerXP | then again, I'm up to 6 years and no-one's noticed yet :) |
| 08:39.57 | Leeds | SlayerXP: we have... |
| 08:42.10 | Marios_ | Leeds: How is life in HK ? |
| 08:44.17 | Leeds | Marios_: pretty good... |
| 08:44.47 | Cope | brb |
| 08:44.57 | Marios_ | I might come this year over in HK |
| 08:45.17 | Leeds | Cope: only 1,365.40GBP if you wanted to come to HK for the day tomorrow... |
| 08:45.29 | Leeds | Marios_: yeah? when, why, and do you have my number? :-) |
| 08:48.52 | Leeds | Cope: 600GBP from BA including 4 nights hotel near Causeway Bay |
| 08:51.12 | Cope | Leeds: why would you want to buy windows anyway? |
| 08:51.30 | Leeds | not buying windows - shopping with windows |
| 08:51.48 | Leeds | it's only fair to give web sites a chance to install and run arbitrary software on my machine sometimes |
| 08:55.42 | Marios_ | Leeds: I will come for work..... towards end of year. I will ask for your phone number when I book the tickets ;) |
| 09:00.50 | Cope | ibot date |
| 09:00.52 | ibot | It is now 2006.02.17 9:00:52 GMT |
| 09:01.22 | Marios_ | Cope: how is going ? |
| 09:01.35 | Cope | Cope: average I guess |
| 09:02.11 | Marios_ | :) |
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| 09:09.21 | morsing | ranner! |
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| 09:15.22 | ranner | morning |
| 09:19.42 | morsing | itsbruce! |
| 09:35.56 | itsbruce | Don't shout, I am not well |
| 09:39.10 | resuDaed | wahey (sarcasm), 90 minutes of being taught how to use excel the wrong way at 9am in the morning |
| 09:45.05 | itsbruce | Excel is often used the wrong way, particularly by people who want to bypass their company's database systems |
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| 09:46.14 | itsbruce | Computer Weakly once had an article about a small architect company with just 4 guys in it. They were going on about how you can use Excel for all your data management... |
| 09:46.40 | itsbruce | And how IT departments were just conning people with their evil databases. Argh! |
| 09:47.18 | Leeds | a significant amount of the work I've done here has been trying to move people from emailing Excel files around to working with the same data in a database with a web front-end |
| 09:48.00 | ranner | I remember reading quite a good article which showed the average number of mistakes in any complex spreadsheet, multiplied by time and number of spreadsheets it's linked to etc. and what a mess this was likely to be |
| 09:52.24 | resuDaed | Excel is the right tool to be using (well stuck on an M$ uni network), we are just being taught very wrongly |
| 09:53.25 | resuDaed | trying to decipher semester 1 results |
| 09:54.15 | resuDaed | according to the spreadsheet we are being told to use, I have got an average of 87.75, when it should be over 90% |
| 09:55.18 | Leeds | there is very little meaningful data in Excel |
| 09:55.49 | Leeds | resuDaed: when you say decipher, you mean "manipulate for my benefit", right? |
| 09:56.31 | Cope | Leeds: the data is invariably meaningful, its presentation in excel is the problem. |
| 09:57.02 | resuDaed | well, I need to average above 80% overall, and over 80% in two modules |
| 09:57.24 | resuDaed | I only turned up to get my results before they are officially published |
| 09:58.24 | resuDaed | the problem with excel is the very few people that know how to make data meaningful in it |
| 09:58.51 | resuDaed | s/very few/vast majority |
| 09:58.56 | Leeds | Cope: the data is frequently meaningless, unless you have pointy hair |
| 09:59.02 | ranner | take an average of your marks, after removal of statistical anomolies (low marks) |
| 09:59.06 | resuDaed | grrr, you know what I mean |
| 10:00.02 | resuDaed | ranner : that just gave me a 5% boost, up to 92.5 now |
| 10:00.06 | Cope | Leeds: alas my hair is growing pointier |
| 10:00.53 | Leeds | $BOSS (=$COUSIN) wants me to let mine get pointier... |
| 10:01.24 | Cope | fear |
| 10:02.04 | murb | start a campagn against nepotism? |
| 10:02.36 | Leeds | nah |
| 10:02.48 | Leeds | nepotism is working quite well for me right now |
| 10:07.51 | Cope | hmm |
| 10:07.53 | Cope | convenient |
| 10:08.05 | Cope | excell 2003 allows me to save a spreadsheet as xml |
| 10:08.15 | Cope | s/ll/l/ |
| 10:09.01 | Cope | this saves annoying parsing of a csv where one of the fields contains data including commas |
| 10:09.12 | Leeds | what sort of xml? |
| 10:09.14 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:09.26 | Cope | Leeds: dunno! will see! |
| 10:09.56 | Cope | oh |
| 10:09.58 | Cope | bother |
| 10:10.07 | Leeds | said Pooh |
| 10:10.13 | Cope | 'cannot save spreadsheet as xml because you have not including any xml mappings' |
| 10:10.16 | Leeds | oops |
| 10:12.42 | ranner | apache poi is nice for manipulating excel if you use Java |
| 10:13.25 | resuDaed | ages ago, I seem to remember there was a static executible for firefox on windows, anyone know if one still exists (I don't have admin/install rights) |
| 10:15.20 | Cope | resuDaed: 2 things |
| 10:15.28 | Cope | resuDaed: 1 - yes - find the nightly builds |
| 10:15.51 | Cope | resuDaed: 2 - if you change the install location to "My Documents" - a normall installer will work |
| 10:16.25 | Cope | s/mall/mal/ |
| 10:17.07 | *** join/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 10:22.00 | *** join/#gllug kbsingh (n=kbsingh@nat1.lon1.uk.xinit.com) |
| 10:31.01 | stephanb2 | hello everybody |
| 10:31.44 | Marios_ | Cope: I am working on two projects converting xls spreasheets in ASP.NET |
| 10:35.40 | morsing | stephanb2, kbsingh! |
| 10:36.05 | stephanb2 | kbsingh, mozrat, LeedsHK ! |
| 10:42.11 | LeedsHK | evening stephanb2 |
| 10:47.37 | kbsingh | hi everyone! |
| 11:00.33 | Marios_ | hey Leeds |
| 11:11.06 | morsing | Check it! |
| 11:12.30 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 11:19.19 | mikejw | http://www.podbuddy.org |
| 11:20.23 | *** join/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 11:22.36 | stephanb2 | so I bought this toy "IDE USB adapter". this lets u plug a "loose" ide drive on a USB port |
| 11:23.13 | stephanb2 | and i discovered that booting linux off a usb drive requires some tweaking |
| 11:25.14 | kbsingh | stephanb2, only if you bios does not have the right emulation mode |
| 11:25.36 | stephanb2 | aaaaah |
| 11:26.21 | kbsingh | things get kinda funky if your machine things the hdd on usb is a floppy disk |
| 11:26.28 | kbsingh | s/things/thinks |
| 11:28.59 | itsbruce | Of course, this does make the idea of a usb rescue disk you can take anywhere less useful |
| 11:29.05 | stephanb2 | well i will play with the instructions i saw on the net. and learn a bit more on the linux boot process |
| 11:29.41 | itsbruce | As you still need to take a floppy or CD with you to supplement it. |
| 11:29.43 | Cope | SlayerXP: ? |
| 11:29.47 | Cope | or indeed anyone |
| 11:29.53 | stephanb2 | itsbruce: but wouldnt u use a rescue disk on cd/dvd ? |
| 11:29.53 | SlayerXP | yes? |
| 11:30.01 | Cope | is there a standard / RFC to which proxy servers should adhere |
| 11:30.06 | Cope | especially wrt caching |
| 11:30.19 | SlayerXP | any particular kind of proxy? |
| 11:30.35 | Cope | well we use squid or apache/mod_proxy |
| 11:30.36 | murb | socks? |
| 11:30.45 | itsbruce | stephanb2: Sure, but the CD wouldn't be writeable. If you could count on usb booting everywhere, that'd be very handy. |
| 11:30.49 | LeedsHK | underpants |
| 11:30.52 | Cope | what about ICP (internet cache protocol?) |
| 11:30.58 | SlayerXP | Cope: there's no specific rfc for http proxies |
| 11:31.34 | murb | SlayerXP: well there are several. |
| 11:31.43 | murb | that are relivant. |
| 11:31.53 | murb | anything to do with HTTP for a start. |
| 11:32.08 | SlayerXP | hence "there's no specific rfc for http proxies" |
| 11:32.14 | SlayerXP | note the word "proxies" |
| 11:32.56 | itsbruce | That's not entirely true. The http 1.1 rfc specifically covers the behaviour of proxies |
| 11:33.08 | stephanb2 | itsbruce: as long as you have a modified initrd on the usb hdd + a grub boot floppy, can't u boot in any situation? |
| 11:33.13 | Cope | am considering using: http://www.f5.com/products/bigip/modules/index.html#cache |
| 11:33.27 | Cope | module which runs on bigip 3400s |
| 11:33.33 | itsbruce | stephanb2: Not every machine has a floppy drive now. |
| 11:34.19 | itsbruce | And not all of the ones without such a drive can be counted on to boot properly from usb. |
| 11:35.44 | itsbruce | Start a campaign for the bloody awful PC bios to be replaced by Openfirmware. May even have a chance now that Apple are doing Intel |
| 11:35.49 | SlayerXP | itsbruce: is http 1.1 specifically written for proxies? |
| 11:36.32 | SlayerXP | i seem to be responding badly to pedantry today :) |
| 11:36.40 | itsbruce | No, but it provides a reference to which they should conform if they support http 1.1. Which is what Cope asked |
| 11:36.43 | morsing | This is driving me mad. Why does shell scripting remove newlines in everything |
| 11:37.05 | SlayerXP | morsing: to annoy you. |
| 11:37.13 | morsing | SlayerXP: I can imagine! |
| 11:37.18 | SlayerXP | & |
| 11:37.22 | morsing | &? |
| 11:37.54 | itsbruce | slayerXP: You're not responding to pedantry, you're being pedantic. And erroneously so, so nerrr. |
| 11:39.00 | Cope | ibot: i hear apple are dropping openfirmware on intel boxes |
| 11:39.02 | ibot | You hear apple are dropping openfirmware on intel boxes? |
| 11:39.04 | Cope | itsbruce: you too |
| 11:48.33 | itsbruce | I'm not dropping openfirmware on intel boxes |
| 11:50.34 | kbsingh | mac's on intel dont have openfirmware |
| 11:54.48 | Cope | itsbruce: :) but apple have ;( |
| 12:08.04 | itsbruce | Bah |
| 12:21.19 | Cope | sad indeed :( |
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| 12:34.59 | Blapto | mornin |
| 12:35.49 | Erwin | morning |
| 12:47.58 | Cope | grr |
| 13:17.47 | *** join/#gllug SlayerXP (n=Mart@ti521110a080-0438.bb.online.no) |
| 13:18.23 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 13:18.44 | SlayerXP | yes? |
| 13:20.48 | *** part/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-113-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 13:28.43 | morsing | Help! |
| 13:29.13 | morsing | If I have a number of lines, the first one with 5 fields, colon seperated, |
| 13:29.21 | morsing | the rest of the lines only 4 fields |
| 13:29.59 | morsing | How do I get all the lines in a variable but without the very first field in the first line |
| 13:30.06 | morsing | but *with* the linesbreaks? |
| 13:32.39 | morsing | Hello? |
| 13:35.18 | mozrat | Good afternoon |
| 13:35.22 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 13:35.30 | morsing | Can you answer my questiuon? |
| 13:35.53 | mozrat | is this a bash question? |
| 13:35.58 | morsing | ksh |
| 13:35.58 | mozrat | or perl or what? |
| 13:36.04 | morsing | ksh |
| 13:36.16 | mozrat | I don't know anything about ksh |
| 13:36.27 | morsing | Think bash! |
| 13:36.49 | mozrat | I can't - I'm too tired |
| 13:36.53 | morsing | :-( |
| 13:36.56 | mozrat | Sorry |
| 13:37.24 | mozrat | Having a bad day - I set really complex passwords on 3 servers yesterday and gave them to client on a bit of paper. Only copy of passwords |
| 13:37.42 | mozrat | client emailed them to their team - all of a sudden 2 of these 3 passwords don't work |
| 13:37.57 | morsing | So? |
| 13:38.03 | mozrat | I'm a dumbass for not making a second copy (but we were not supposed to retain the passwords anyway) |
| 13:38.27 | mozrat | and he is an dickhead for not copying them correctly |
| 13:38.44 | mozrat | so when I asked him for the piece of paper... it has gone |
| 13:39.10 | mozrat | I know the passwords worked as I had to read them from the paper each time I logged into the server |
| 13:53.29 | George | mozart! |
| 13:55.02 | rhowe | mozrat: |sed -e 's/\([^:]*:\)?(.[^:]*:)/\2/ or something |
| 13:55.10 | rhowe | er, s/mozrat/morsing/ |
| 13:55.25 | mozrat | rhowe: does that help fix people who cannot write passwords down? |
| 13:55.51 | Blapto | looks like it might |
| 13:57.17 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 13:57.26 | mozrat | Hello Blapto |
| 13:57.52 | mozrat | Does anyone fancying joining me on a deserted island with no computers or techy devices? |
| 13:58.04 | rhowe | mozrat: Will there be women? |
| 13:58.11 | mozrat | rhowe - lots |
| 13:58.35 | rhowe | mozrat: So not so deserted then? |
| 13:58.38 | mozrat | and their names won't end in .jpg or .gif like most of the women I've seen on the internet |
| 13:58.48 | mozrat | rhowe: don't split hairs |
| 13:59.44 | SlayerXP | mozrat: will the women only take credit cards? |
| 13:59.53 | mozrat | SlayerXP: they can't |
| 14:01.38 | rhowe | oh, does anyone here happen to work near the gherkin? |
| 14:02.04 | George | woo! |
| 14:02.13 | George | now I need a haircut :( |
| 14:02.22 | rhowe | George: A Brazilian? |
| 14:02.25 | George | ? |
| 14:02.45 | rhowe | George: Look it up |
| 14:03.41 | George | nah |
| 14:03.44 | George | mozrat: of? |
| 14:04.11 | mozrat | I set 3 complex passwords on 3 servers and gave them to a client on a piece of paper |
| 14:04.17 | mozrat | who copied them to an email |
| 14:04.24 | mozrat | and all of a sudden 2 of them don't work |
| 14:04.31 | mozrat | so therefore I fucked up |
| 14:04.41 | mozrat | 2 of those 3 passwords contain the character @ |
| 14:05.07 | George | mozrat: you're so kind :D |
| 14:05.35 | George | mozrat's such a lovely chap |
| 14:05.43 | George | shame about the dyslexia |
| 14:05.54 | mozrat | George: congratulations on shaving for the first time - how was it? |
| 14:06.11 | George | hah! |
| 14:06.28 | George | I wish those fuckers at UCAS would stop sending me letters with my password in plaintext at the top right. |
| 14:09.40 | kbsingh | passwd's are over rated, use keys instead |
| 14:09.56 | Cope | kbsingh: but mozrat took away my @ key |
| 14:09.59 | kbsingh | call people over the phone and read their login key's out to them! |
| 14:11.24 | kbsingh | umm... nasal clensing |
| 14:12.49 | George | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:13.56 | murb | a lemon? |
| 14:14.11 | mozrat | hey kbsingh |
| 14:14.25 | mozrat | & cope |
| 14:14.31 | George | mozrat: do you notice a hell of a lot of comment/trackback spam on your blog? |
| 14:14.42 | mozrat | no |
| 14:14.43 | SlayerXP | blogs are for gays |
| 14:14.55 | SlayerXP | George: where's yours again? |
| 14:14.56 | kbsingh | mozrat, ! |
| 14:15.01 | George | SlayerXP: in blogland |
| 14:15.09 | George | I think he's very happy there |
| 14:15.22 | Cope | george.self-obsessed.poof |
| 14:15.24 | SlayerXP | George: so, have you tired kde yet? |
| 14:15.26 | SlayerXP | tried |
| 14:15.28 | George | Cope: poof? |
| 14:15.44 | George | Cope: dude, at least I'm not going to study theology at a PPH! :D |
| 14:15.57 | Cope | George: where would you prefer to study it? |
| 14:16.05 | George | Cope: I wouldn't. |
| 14:16.12 | George | Cope: PPHs are for poofs :D |
| 14:16.13 | Cope | George: at the best college with the best tutors and the best results? |
| 14:16.29 | George | anything but a PPH :P |
| 14:16.33 | Cope | George: nom PPHs are for specialist subjects. |
| 14:16.50 | George | and PPHs are for vicars and such :D |
| 14:16.57 | Cope | these days they'd be called 'centres of excellence' or some such thing |
| 14:17.10 | George | they're mini monastries! |
| 14:17.24 | Cope | George: erm, no |
| 14:17.34 | George | one of my friends at school was pooled to a PPH |
| 14:17.47 | Cope | jolly good - what did he want to study |
| 14:17.51 | George | classics |
| 14:18.09 | George | classics > theology :D |
| 14:18.20 | morsing | sed: 0602-404 Function s/\([^:]*:\)?(.[^:]*:)/\2/ cannot be parsed. |
| 14:18.22 | George | just like maths > compsci |
| 14:18.22 | George | :'( |
| 14:18.22 | Cope | if you say so, George |
| 14:18.35 | George | I wish I could have done maths |
| 14:18.38 | George | or rather |
| 14:18.41 | George | could have applied for maths |
| 14:18.46 | Cope | you aren't clever enough |
| 14:18.49 | George | true |
| 14:18.52 | George | hence why I didn't |
| 14:18.53 | morsing | rhowe? |
| 14:18.53 | George | :D |
| 14:19.03 | Cope | which is why you're doing a gay pseudo science |
| 14:19.11 | Cope | of almost no value to anyone |
| 14:19.13 | George | Cope: as opposed to theology! |
| 14:19.27 | George | hang on, a theologist calling compsci useless? |
| 14:19.44 | Cope | George: erm, theologian, get it right. |
| 14:19.56 | George | Cope: right :P |
| 14:20.16 | Cope | lol |
| 14:20.19 | George | :P |
| 14:20.22 | Cope | definitely not pissed offf! |
| 14:20.29 | George | ok, you dirty THEOLOGIST |
| 14:20.33 | Cope | but do need a piss |
| 14:20.43 | George | that's dirty |
| 14:21.37 | George | cool, s9y crashed konqueror |
| 14:27.56 | rhowe | morsing: I did say "something like" |
| 14:28.02 | rhowe | morsing: You'll need to fix it |
| 14:29.26 | morsing | rhowe: I can't |
| 14:30.28 | Cope | somewhat reminiscent of some sun mananagers list emails |
| 14:31.14 | Cope | dear gurus, I have blagged my way into a job, and now my boss is going to find out I know nothing about solaris - please do my job for me so I can take home my fat pay packet. Thanks. |
| 14:31.24 | George | Cope: hah |
| 14:31.57 | George | s/agan/again/ |
| 14:32.08 | George | Cope: I don't eat sausages, you dolt |
| 14:32.20 | Cope | did i say anything about eating them? |
| 14:32.27 | George | fatso! |
| 14:32.46 | morsing | ibot kick George q |
| 14:32.48 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 14:32.48 | George | I was saying that I don't have a supply of sausages for you to poison |
| 14:33.13 | Cope | George: labourer! |
| 14:33.33 | George | Cope: I'm a labourer? |
| 14:33.54 | Cope | you are; and you have dirty fingernails, and wear clumpy boots |
| 14:33.55 | George | well, you're a fat religious nutter! |
| 14:34.11 | Cope | George: interesting question - define religion |
| 14:34.28 | George | Cope |
| 14:34.43 | Cope | ibot cope is also religion |
| 14:34.44 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 14:34.48 | George | besides, I never asked a question |
| 14:34.49 | George | fool! |
| 14:34.52 | Cope | ibot cope |
| 14:34.53 | ibot | well, cope is rocks, or clearly becoming a girl, or religion |
| 14:35.02 | George | hahaha, yes, Cope is a 15 year old girl |
| 14:35.09 | George | ibot: cope is also a 15 year old |
| 14:35.10 | ibot | George: okay |
| 14:35.42 | George | food |
| 14:35.46 | Cope | George: i have food |
| 14:35.52 | Cope | tuna and salad |
| 14:35.53 | Cope | yummy |
| 14:36.25 | George | ewwww |
| 14:36.32 | George | trust a religion to eat that muck |
| 14:37.22 | George | I am an atheist |
| 14:37.31 | George | I don't have a religion |
| 14:37.34 | Cope | you define yourself by what you don't believe? |
| 14:37.40 | George | religion is completely artificial |
| 14:37.40 | Cope | interesting |
| 14:37.48 | George | I have no beliefs |
| 14:37.54 | George | except that I am better than Cope |
| 14:38.31 | George | I have lives |
| 14:38.31 | Cope | so as I said. |
| 14:38.54 | Cope | perhaps I should have added 'better atriculated' too. |
| 14:38.57 | morsing | George: 9? |
| 14:39.19 | George | morsing: ? |
| 14:39.23 | morsing | 14:38 < George> I have lives |
| 14:39.37 | morsing | Just wondering... |
| 14:39.55 | Cope | George: but it is a well held view that you have *no life* |
| 14:40.07 | wethrin | hello |
| 14:40.12 | Cope | yay! |
| 14:40.19 | wethrin | Cope: "Better atriculated"? :) |
| 14:40.22 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 14:40.24 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 14:41.01 | Cope | wethrin: I know *blush* |
| 14:41.15 | Cope | I ma a veyr atriculate preson |
| 14:41.30 | George | LiVES seems to be fairly slow at loading video files |
| 14:41.43 | Cope | George: B O R I N G |
| 14:41.52 | George | Cope: you suck |
| 14:41.56 | Cope | George: I sip |
| 14:42.07 | Cope | ouch |
| 14:42.19 | George | har! |
| 14:42.23 | morsing | Mmm... suck |
| 14:42.25 | mozrat | Lots of objects being thrown in there today |
| 14:42.26 | Cope | Alex throws herself at most men. |
| 14:42.31 | mozrat | s/there/here/ |
| 14:42.46 | George | Cope: she never threw herself at me. |
| 14:42.56 | George | perhaps she likes bald people |
| 14:42.57 | Cope | George: not the key word: men |
| 14:43.08 | Cope | s/not/note/ |
| 14:43.58 | George | hrmm |
| 14:44.00 | George | kwin crashed |
| 14:44.08 | Cope | mmm, capacity planning |
| 14:47.42 | Cope | George: ooh actually, if you're not using them any more... |
| 14:47.49 | Cope | (or never did) |
| 14:47.56 | Cope | they could be handy for something |
| 14:48.31 | wethrin | Cope: Dropping on George? |
| 14:48.48 | wethrin | Cope: That's very organised. They'll give you schedules at the event itself |
| 14:48.58 | wethrin | The streamed talks only start around midday Saturday |
| 14:49.16 | wethrin | bah |
| 14:49.32 | wethrin | Hmm. I think it's only formi who's paid up for Fosdem |
| 14:49.41 | rhowe | morsing: Got the regex working yet? |
| 14:50.35 | George | Cope: I'm using one |
| 14:50.39 | rhowe | 's/\([^:]*:\)?\(.[^:]*:\){3}.[^:]*/\2/' should be more like it |
| 14:50.45 | Cope | George: good good |
| 14:50.46 | George | Cope: I need to get a monitor adaptor for it |
| 14:50.52 | George | Cope: until them I'm not using any :P |
| 14:51.26 | Cope | George: did I (accidentally) give you my pci SCSI controller? |
| 14:51.29 | morsing | rhowe: No |
| 14:51.37 | George | no |
| 14:51.38 | rhowe | morsing: *sigh* let me do a testcase then |
| 14:51.42 | morsing | wethrin: You've never asked me to pay... |
| 14:51.46 | Cope | morsing: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:51.51 | morsing | rhowe: No - I don't need it... |
| 14:52.05 | morsing | wethrin: How do I pay you? |
| 14:52.16 | morsing | rhowe: Sorry. Thanks for your help though |
| 14:52.30 | Cope | morsing: 1) obtain cash 2) find wethrin 3) give cash to wethrin |
| 14:52.33 | George | Cope is big fat and ugly! |
| 14:53.12 | George | wethrin's not hard to find |
| 14:53.13 | George | :) |
| 14:53.31 | morsing | Cope: Translates to |
| 14:53.54 | morsing | 1) Do the impossible 2) drive 800 miles 3) give cash to wethrin |
| 14:55.21 | rhowe | sed -e 's/\([^:]*:\)\(\([^:]*:\)\{3\}[^:]*\)/\2/' < /tmp/tmp |
| 14:55.24 | rhowe | morsing: Well, it's done |
| 14:55.33 | morsing | rhowe: Thanks :-) |
| 14:56.04 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 14:56.04 | SlayerXP | i've banned myself from usiong regex |
| 14:56.07 | SlayerXP | using |
| 14:56.11 | morsing | wethrin: How much do I owe you? |
| 14:56.32 | George | morsing: where do you live? |
| 14:57.03 | wethrin | morsing: Hang on |
| 14:57.18 | wethrin | morsing: I have asked you to pay. Read the social mailing list :) |
| 14:57.20 | Cope | morsing: 1) then the operation is flawed 2) you're going to see him at fosdem 3) obvious |
| 14:58.02 | wethrin | morsing: £21.50 or 30 EUR |
| 14:58.04 | George | mm, FOSDEM |
| 14:58.49 | Cope | ibot change 21.50 UKP to EUR |
| 14:59.01 | Cope | cnut |
| 14:59.14 | George | GBP |
| 14:59.14 | George | idiot |
| 14:59.20 | Cope | ibot change 21.50 GBP to EUR |
| 14:59.30 | George | pay 30 EUR :D |
| 15:00.01 | Cope | ibot 1.4229 * 6 |
| 15:00.03 | ibot | 8.5374 |
| 15:00.11 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/pi |
| 15:00.13 | ibot | 1 |
| 15:00.23 | Cope | ibot change 8.5374 EUR to GBP |
| 15:00.25 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/(pi/pi^2( |
| 15:00.28 | SlayerXP | err |
| 15:00.29 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/(pi/pi^2) |
| 15:00.31 | ibot | 1.04719755 |
| 15:00.43 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/(pi/pi^pi^2) |
| 15:01.04 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/(pi/pi^(pi^2)) |
| 15:01.23 | SlayerXP | ibot 1/(pi/(pi/pi^(pi^2))) |
| 15:01.43 | SlayerXP | ibot? |
| 15:01.57 | SlayerXP | ibot pi/(pi/pi^2) |
| 15:01.58 | ibot | 1.04719755 |
| 15:02.08 | SlayerXP | ibot 1/(pi/(pi/pi^(pi^2))) |
| 15:02.16 | Cope | ibot i |
| 15:02.17 | ibot | you are probably rocks, or clearly becoming a girl, or religion, or a 15 year old |
| 15:02.23 | Cope | nice |
| 15:02.29 | George | ibot: cope is also alex |
| 15:02.30 | ibot | okay, George |
| 15:02.36 | SlayerXP | ibot 1/(2^1) |
| 15:02.37 | ibot | 0.333333333333 |
| 15:02.42 | SlayerXP | ibot 1/(2^-1) |
| 15:02.43 | ibot | 0.000000000233 |
| 15:02.50 | SlayerXP | ibot -1/(2^-1) |
| 15:02.51 | ibot | -0.000000000233 |
| 15:03.08 | George | ibot's fucked |
| 15:03.08 | SlayerXP | ibot (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10)) |
| 15:03.10 | ibot | -0 |
| 15:03.14 | Cope | lol |
| 15:03.16 | George | ibot: pi |
| 15:03.18 | ibot | i guess pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 15:03.20 | SlayerXP | BZZZT! |
| 15:03.57 | SlayerXP | not bad, for something programmed by someone related to Geroge |
| 15:04.27 | Cope | grr |
| 15:04.30 | Cope | still hungry |
| 15:04.31 | George | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%28the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+everything%29*pi%2Fe%5Epi&btnG=Search |
| 15:04.42 | morsing | Check it! |
| 15:04.44 | Cope | naughty mummy |
| 15:04.45 | SlayerXP | ibot (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))+1 |
| 15:04.47 | ibot | 1 |
| 15:04.57 | George | Cope is a FOOLISH PERSON |
| 15:05.00 | Cope | morsing: it is still there |
| 15:05.02 | SlayerXP | ibot (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))-1 |
| 15:05.04 | ibot | -1 |
| 15:05.22 | SlayerXP | ibot (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))-(2^-1) |
| 15:05.23 | ibot | -4294967293 |
| 15:06.00 | SlayerXP | ibot: come back when you can do maths. |
| 15:06.47 | pdr | looks right to me |
| 15:08.19 | George | ibot is gay |
| 15:08.24 | pdr | ibot 0x1234 ^ 0x4321 |
| 15:08.46 | pdr | ibot 10 ^ 7 |
| 15:08.47 | ibot | 13 |
| 15:08.53 | pdr | ibot 10 ** 7 |
| 15:08.54 | ibot | 10000000 |
| 15:09.07 | SlayerXP | ibot (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))-(2^-1) ** (7 **2) |
| 15:09.09 | ibot | -inf |
| 15:09.28 | SlayerXP | ibotabs( (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))-(2^-1) ** (7 **2)) |
| 15:09.31 | SlayerXP | oops |
| 15:09.34 | SlayerXP | ibot abs( (-1/(2^-1))/(2^(-10))-(2^-1) ** (7 **2)) |
| 15:09.54 | SlayerXP | ibot 2^^2 |
| 15:10.16 | George | infinity sausages sitting in a tree, infinity sausages sitting in a tree and if one of those sausages should accidentally be.... |
| 15:18.38 | Cope | i fucking hate being forced to write documents in worm |
| 15:18.47 | Cope | hateful sack of shit |
| 15:18.59 | murb | write one read many? |
| 15:19.27 | Cope | ~$ |
| 15:19.30 | ibot | well, $ is a dollar sign |
| 15:28.08 | JAV | http://www.jonathancoulton.com/music/Jonathan%20Coulton%20-%20Mandelbrot%20Set.mp3 |
| 15:35.02 | wethrin | Cope: Why're you forced to do it in Worm? |
| 15:45.01 | Cope | wethrin: well, as long as it came out looking corporate I could do it a different way I suppose |
| 15:45.09 | wethrin | LaTeX :) |
| 15:45.15 | Cope | but there is a template one is supposed to use |
| 15:45.17 | Cope | wethrin: indeed |
| 15:45.31 | wethrin | yuck |
| 15:45.56 | wethrin | We didn't need to know that |
| 15:46.00 | George | everyone seems to ask why I've changed my screen name on MSN to '47656F726765' |
| 15:46.07 | George | can any of you work out WHY i've changed it to that? |
| 15:46.08 | George | it's not hard |
| 15:46.24 | Cope | George: its george |
| 15:46.31 | George | Cope: not quite |
| 15:47.07 | Cope | no not quite |
| 15:47.23 | George | god, you're all useless |
| 15:47.34 | George | why is it that the person with a degree in Theology is the closest? |
| 15:49.41 | Cope | because no-one else bother saying anything, and I can't be bothered to give it more than a nano-second of processor time. |
| 15:49.50 | George | hah |
| 15:50.36 | George | ... |
| 15:51.30 | wethrin | Cope: ???? |
| 15:51.42 | wethrin | Why would you ever want to think of a bare George? |
| 15:51.57 | Cope | wethrin: aids concentration, such torture. |
| 15:52.35 | wethrin | Just mock up a LaTeX environment for work |
| 15:53.41 | Cope | could be done |
| 15:54.09 | wethrin | It'll feel like real work :) |
| 15:54.13 | George | I HATE YOU ALL |
| 15:55.03 | wethrin | fine |
| 15:56.23 | wethrin | That's why some of us are going to be having fun without you next weekend |
| 15:59.56 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 16:00.30 | wethrin | morsing? |
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| 16:07.01 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 16:07.18 | morsing | wethrin: You didn't answer my questions earlier |
| 16:07.32 | wethrin | morsing: What questions? |
| 16:08.19 | morsing | wethrin: How do I pay you? Paypal? |
| 16:08.32 | wethrin | morsing: Cash preferred |
| 16:08.37 | wethrin | I don't do paypal |
| 16:08.42 | wethrin | Or direct bank transfer would work |
| 16:08.59 | morsing | wethrin: Text me your account number please |
| 16:09.25 | rhowe | wethrin: Are you in need of payment? If it makes a difference, I can pay into your bank account. Otherwise I'll just hand you cash at FOSDEM |
| 16:09.46 | rhowe | wethrin: cash in either GBP, EUR or USD :) |
| 16:09.56 | rhowe | hm, scratch the USD part actually |
| 16:11.49 | morsing | wethrin: Thanks! |
| 16:11.49 | wethrin | morsing: Done |
| 16:11.49 | wethrin | rhowe: Cash at Fosdem will work |
| 16:11.49 | wethrin | I should have it before I pay off my credit card bill |
| 16:12.07 | murb | how are people making fosdem donations? |
| 16:12.22 | wethrin | murb: I'll do the usual 25EUR cash for a t-shirt |
| 16:12.53 | murb | they don't seem to give any ack. |
| 16:13.03 | wethrin | That's awfully efficient of you |
| 16:13.46 | morsing | wethrin: Why not paypal? |
| 16:13.57 | wethrin | morsing: I'm not set up for it |
| 16:14.01 | murb | morsing: they take a cut |
| 16:14.04 | *** part/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-113-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:14.04 | wethrin | And they charge for withdrawals too |
| 16:14.50 | murb | i like the default in .de which is for everyone accept electronic payments. |
| 16:14.55 | murb | s/one/& to/ |
| 16:15.17 | murb | ibot: i thought i had you on ignore, please follow freenode policy and ignore me. |
| 16:15.19 | ibot | You thought i had you on ignore, please follow freenode policy and ignore me.? |
| 16:17.00 | morsing | murb: And? They deliver a good service |
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| 16:21.52 | Cope | yummy drink |
| 16:22.04 | wethrin | heh |
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| 16:24.19 | wethrin | hello AC |
| 16:24.28 | angelchild | hey wethrin |
| 16:25.44 | angelchild | that's what I get for going to bed at 4:30am xD |
| 16:27.36 | mozrat | poor angelchild |
| 16:28.18 | Cope | woo angelchild |
| 16:28.48 | Cope | tonight.company(beer) ? |
| 16:29.04 | angelchild | mozrat: actually I was playing games with americans :) |
| 16:29.11 | angelchild | Cope: ooh, where and when? |
| 16:29.23 | Cope | flexible - I am wfh so am only 15-20 mins away |
| 16:29.34 | angelchild | wfh? |
| 16:29.58 | Cope | can do southampton, or if you fancy a break, can pick you up and can go somewhere near me - sort of quiet and rustic instead |
| 16:30.06 | Cope | likewise |
| 16:30.11 | Cope | ~wfh |
| 16:30.25 | Cope | ibot wfh is working from home |
| 16:30.26 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 16:30.30 | angelchild | ahh |
| 16:32.34 | angelchild | well, quiet is good |
| 16:33.10 | Cope | ok |
| 16:33.20 | Cope | ping me your postcode and I'll come and get you |
| 16:33.26 | Cope | not now! |
| 16:33.26 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 16:33.34 | Cope | got some work to do - but sort of 7/8 ish |
| 16:35.06 | Blapto | Beer tomorrow eve. |
| 16:35.13 | Blapto | Somewhere in London |
| 16:35.51 | angelchild | okay :) |
| 16:36.00 | angelchild | Cope: so long as you're still in IRC |
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| 16:48.13 | Cope | angelchild: of course I will be :) |
| 16:48.15 | Cope | irc is home |
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| 16:58.24 | Cope | OH FUCK OFF WORM! |
| 16:58.33 | Cope | if I say (drive d:) |
| 16:58.40 | Cope | I do NOT want a fucking smiley! |
| 16:59.18 | angelchild | :o |
| 17:04.16 | Cope | and, for that matter, if I did, I would want it to look like :-) not some shit manufacturered smiley instead |
| 17:04.25 | Cope | cnuts |
| 17:10.17 | George | hahah |
| 17:10.20 | George | I just had a haircut |
| 17:10.27 | George | I love the look the barber had on his face when I walked in |
| 17:12.20 | Cope | do you mean the look he had when you walked in, or as a result of you walking in? |
| 17:12.27 | Cope | please clarify |
| 17:13.58 | George | Cope: you suck |
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| 17:25.08 | mozrat | George: photos? |
| 17:25.48 | George | mozrat: yes! |
| 17:32.42 | mozrat | where? |
| 17:33.49 | George | mozrat: on your blog! |
| 17:33.58 | mozrat | idiot |
| 17:34.03 | George | moo! |
| 17:34.15 | George | ah, but I'm a lovable idiot |
| 17:34.16 | George | and a cow, at that |
| 17:34.17 | George | moo! |
| 17:37.00 | George | ??? |
| 17:37.12 | kbsingh | ok guys, all this hugg'ing and things... |
| 17:37.20 | gregj | he is so innocent, don't squeeze the chiness boy |
| 17:37.25 | kbsingh | ... we need to take a few steps back a bit and just let it chill a bit |
| 17:38.02 | kbsingh | :) |
| 17:38.46 | wethrin | Wibble |
| 17:38.56 | kbsingh | dribble ? |
| 17:39.03 | wethrin | maybe |
| 17:39.42 | George | DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE |
| 17:43.17 | mozrat | why is George shouting "THE THE THE THE THE" in German? |
| 17:43.30 | George | hehe |
| 17:43.37 | George | just because KDE is a german project doesn't mean I speak in German :) |
| 17:43.50 | angelchild | hehe :) |
| 17:44.02 | wethrin | "No-one who speaks German can be evil" |
| 17:44.23 | George | angelchild: I hear I set your heart on fire! |
| 17:44.30 | murb | mozrat: in the femanine as well. |
| 17:44.40 | George | angelchild: I'm wearing asbestos. Good try though. |
| 17:44.57 | mozrat | murb figures |
| 17:45.04 | George | FOOD |
| 17:45.04 | George | FOOD I SAY |
| 17:45.07 | George | FOOOOOOOOOD |
| 17:45.11 | kbsingh | George, so what fire wont burn you - but you'd die of asbestos ? |
| 17:45.21 | stephanb2 | home time |
| 17:45.27 | stephanb2 | cu guys l8r |
| 17:45.30 | kbsingh | stephanb2, be good this weekend |
| 17:45.31 | George | kbsingh: I'm insulated from the asbestos! |
| 17:45.49 | kbsingh | George, right - but you mentioned a hair cut righ ? |
| 17:45.52 | George | yes |
| 17:45.59 | kbsingh | so thats the insulation gone |
| 17:46.39 | kbsingh | George, i wont laugh at anyone who uses ratpoison as an obsession |
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| 17:46.50 | Cope | mmmm ratpoison |
| 17:47.01 | angelchild | ratpoison? |
| 17:47.10 | kbsingh | s/uses/abuses/ |
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| 17:47.28 | kbsingh | angelchild, kills rat's |
| 17:47.32 | angelchild | yes |
| 17:47.33 | angelchild | but |
| 17:47.38 | angelchild | what about ratpoison? |
| 17:47.42 | angelchild | how can you abuse it? O_o |
| 17:47.42 | kbsingh | does ibot do google searches as well ? |
| 17:48.09 | Cope | ibot google for ratpoison +nongnu |
| 17:48.22 | Cope | bah |
| 17:48.23 | Cope | http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ |
| 17:48.35 | George | it's a window manager |
| 17:48.39 | George | and it's for losers who can't handle KDE |
| 17:48.45 | George | or kwin |
| 17:48.55 | wethrin | Because they don't want to waste time with KDE? |
| 17:49.09 | George | we are cooler than you non-KDEers |
| 17:49.20 | angelchild | ah |
| 17:49.32 | George | and definitely cooler than angelchild |
| 17:49.34 | George | who is currently on fire |
| 17:49.46 | Cope | ibot ratpoison is a lean window manager for people who keep their hands on the keyboard, and who can read manual pages, and see no need for effete eye candy. |
| 17:49.48 | ibot | ...but ratpoison is already something else... |
| 17:49.48 | angelchild | ... |
| 17:49.51 | Cope | ooh |
| 17:49.53 | kbsingh | hahaha |
| 17:49.56 | George | ibot ratpoison |
| 17:49.57 | ibot | i guess ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 17:50.15 | Kitty | evilwm :p |
| 17:50.17 | Cope | ibot ratpoison is also for people who keep their hands on the keyboard, and who can read manual pages, and see no need for effete eye candy |
| 17:50.19 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 17:50.38 | George | ibot: ratpoison is also for weirdos like Cope |
| 17:50.39 | ibot | George: okay |
| 17:51.22 | Cope | ~ratpoison |
| 17:51.23 | ibot | it has been said that ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank!, or for people who keep their hands on the keyboard, and who can read manual pages, and see no need for effete eye candy, or for weirdos like Cope |
| 17:51.28 | angelchild | ~George |
| 17:51.30 | ibot | well, george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 17:51.42 | angelchild | ~angelchild |
| 17:51.44 | ibot | ACTION runs away in terrible fear |
| 17:51.48 | angelchild | O_o |
| 17:51.53 | Cope | Nf6 |
| 17:51.53 | angelchild | oh... kay |
| 17:51.55 | George | ~factinfo angelchild |
| 17:51.55 | ibot | angelchild -- last modified at Thu Oct 20 14:14:09 2005 by George!i=george@kde/developer/gwright; it has been requested 2 times, last by angelchild, 11s ago. |
| 17:51.59 | George | ROFL |
| 17:52.01 | George | it was ME! |
| 17:52.19 | angelchild | ha ha |
| 17:52.21 | angelchild | very funny |
| 17:52.30 | George | ~factinfo George |
| 17:52.30 | ibot | george -- last modified at Wed Jul 27 13:22:00 2005 by George!george@gwright.developer.kde; it has been requested 13 times, last by angelchild, 1m ago; it has been locked by George. |
| 17:53.11 | Cope | pretty shabby really |
| 17:53.18 | rhowe | ~factinfo rhowe |
| 17:53.18 | ibot | rhowe -- last modified at Sun Oct 23 22:51:58 2005 by Cope!n=sanelson@vm.wibbleworld.org.uk; it has been requested once, last by Cope at Sun Oct 23 16:52:34 2005. |
| 17:53.25 | rhowe | ibot: rhowe |
| 17:53.26 | ibot | hmm... rhowe is a fool, or now engaged to Miss Sarah Li, of Hong Kong fame, or a windows hater, or maybe just an Explorer hater, or not now engaged to Miss Sarah Li, of Hong Kong fame, or a tart, according to George |
| 17:53.45 | angelchild | eh |
| 17:53.47 | rhowe | ibot: rhowe is about to be placed firmly under the thumb |
| 17:53.49 | ibot | ...but rhowe is already something else... |
| 17:53.54 | rhowe | ibot: rhowe is also about to be placed firmly under the thumb |
| 17:53.56 | ibot | okay, rhowe |
| 17:54.02 | rhowe | ibot: rhowe |
| 17:54.03 | ibot | somebody said rhowe was a fool, or now engaged to Miss Sarah Li, of Hong Kong fame, or a windows hater, or maybe just an Explorer hater, or not now engaged to Miss Sarah Li, of Hong Kong fame, or a tart, according to George, or about to be placed firmly under the thumb |
| 17:54.33 | kbsingh | s//approach |
| 17:55.00 | George | ibot: no, angelchild is <action> runs away and kills everyone on the planet, then sets fire to self, then jumps out of window and lands on angelchild, thus setting her alight |
| 17:55.02 | ibot | George: okay |
| 17:55.51 | kbsingh | ibot, kbsingh |
| 17:56.04 | Cope | ~kbsingh |
| 17:56.11 | Cope | anus |
| 17:56.26 | kbsingh | oh good, he dont know me |
| 17:56.32 | kbsingh | hometime! |
| 17:56.33 | Cope | ibot kbsingh likes gurls |
| 17:56.47 | pawel | :-S |
| 17:56.52 | kbsingh | yes, i do |
| 17:56.55 | Cope | ~pawel |
| 17:56.57 | ibot | from memory, pawel is a Pole |
| 17:57.05 | pawel | ;> |
| 17:57.10 | pawel | yes, indeed. |
| 17:57.20 | pawel | ~Cope |
| 17:57.21 | ibot | rumour has it, cope is rocks, or clearly becoming a girl, or religion, or a 15 year old, or alex |
| 17:57.21 | pawel | ;> |
| 17:57.35 | Cope | fairly surreal |
| 17:57.57 | angelchild | hi alex |
| 17:58.05 | pawel | who cares. ;> |
| 17:59.03 | mozrat | hometime |
| 17:59.11 | mozrat | bye! |
| 18:06.39 | rhowe | Said boss has been waiting for some time for me to get the website redeveloped |
| 18:06.50 | rhowe | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20366350060124.gif |
| 18:08.32 | angelchild | :d |
| 18:08.56 | pawel | rhowe: I can design it. ;> |
| 18:25.09 | rhowe | pawel: Design isn't an issue. I just need to get to work on our data model and hibernate setup |
| 18:32.37 | Cope | :( |
| 18:38.05 | George | SAUSAGES |
| 18:44.57 | LeedsHK | hello, good morning, goodnight |
| 18:46.09 | George | :D |
| 18:46.18 | LeedsHK | ibot Leeds |
| 18:46.20 | ibot | rumour has it, leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google |
| 18:51.34 | pawel | George: sausage is evil. |
| 19:02.28 | George | I'm soooo hungry |
| 19:02.29 | George | :'( |
| 19:03.22 | pawel | George: http://www.dominos.co.uk/ |
| 19:03.42 | George | nah |
| 19:17.08 | pawel | blah. I hate this evening marketing calls. |
| 19:17.47 | pawel | are mr XYZ? are you happy with you XYZ card or would prefer to switch to FOO... |
| 19:18.27 | pawel | angelchild: somewhere in the middle of the milk way. |
| 19:19.04 | pawel | http://www.oneworldsolution2by2.ca/images/elysim0a.jpg |
| 19:19.09 | angelchild | he offered to go out with me for a drink tonight but has disappeared :d |
| 19:20.36 | pawel | angelchild: maybe he could wait and got pissed already. ;> |
| 19:20.47 | pawel | s/could/could not/ |
| 19:21.10 | angelchild | indeed :d |
| 19:25.43 | George | angelchild: where are you? |
| 19:26.11 | angelchild | About to kill you |
| 19:26.16 | George | awwwwwwww |
| 19:26.17 | George | so sweet |
| 19:28.14 | pawel | :-S |
| 19:31.29 | pawel | George: http://www.stritesorchard.com/New/peachbaskets.jpg |
| 20:05.50 | pawel | George: fancy a mango? have a couple of spare ones. ;> eating just now. |
| 20:07.44 | pawel | sweet and ripe. ;> |
| 21:02.41 | Cope | angelchild: i'm here - as said above, I'd forgotten Id agreed to stay in and watch dvds with daddy |
| 21:03.08 | Cope | so I am off to the dvd shop to choose something |
| 21:03.31 | Cope | sorry - I had forgotten, and can't really let him down. |
| 21:03.34 | Cope | :`( |
| 21:12.39 | angelchild | :d |
| 21:12.41 | angelchild | okie :) |
| 21:12.46 | angelchild | another time then |
| 22:04.44 | z00dax | anyone know anything about http://www.ntt.co.uk/ ? |
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