| 00:02.42 | pawel | oh, date has changed. |
| 00:07.14 | mozrat | hey pawl |
| 00:07.16 | angelchild | hello world |
| 00:07.17 | mozrat | pawel |
| 00:07.36 | mozrat | the world says "hello" back |
| 00:07.42 | angelchild | :D |
| 00:07.47 | angelchild | go west |
| 00:07.59 | mozrat | I do... daily |
| 00:08.23 | mozrat | and then in the evening.. I go east again! |
| 00:12.06 | angelchild | gasp! |
| 00:12.10 | angelchild | you rebel you |
| 00:12.30 | mozrat | I KNOW! |
| 00:13.05 | mozrat | so - who were you playing football against today? |
| 00:13.10 | mozrat | and did you score? |
| 00:14.55 | angelchild | I play in goal ;p |
| 00:15.06 | angelchild | we were playing "English Athletic" |
| 00:15.15 | angelchild | who we scraped a 3-3 draw with before christmas |
| 00:15.37 | mozrat | and today you crushed them? :) |
| 00:16.05 | angelchild | yeah :D was fun :) |
| 00:16.11 | angelchild | first time we've won so convincingly |
| 00:19.28 | mozrat | good stuff |
| 00:19.46 | mozrat | funny - George went to bed.. sensed you were here and came sniffing around |
| 00:19.50 | mozrat | "BED, George" |
| 00:21.45 | angelchild | he's attracted to me |
| 00:21.49 | George | hahahaha |
| 00:21.50 | angelchild | in a bad way |
| 00:21.55 | George | you're uglier than my thinkpad |
| 00:22.12 | angelchild | I'm not a laptop |
| 00:22.16 | George | no |
| 00:22.20 | angelchild | I don't see the relevance of the comparison |
| 00:22.20 | George | you're uglier than my laptop |
| 00:23.20 | pawel | mozrat: hi. :> |
| 00:24.33 | mozrat | hi pawel |
| 00:24.44 | mozrat | angelchild: you have a stalker. Congrats |
| 00:25.06 | George | no she doesn't |
| 00:25.08 | George | I don't stalk |
| 00:25.11 | George | I just annoy |
| 00:28.47 | mozrat | ibot lart George |
| 00:28.59 | mozrat | Rude chap he is |
| 00:29.23 | George | moo |
| 00:37.28 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.24 | George | hey LeedsHK |
| 01:30.34 | LeedsHK | morning George |
| 01:32.55 | George | hey LeedsHK |
| 01:33.00 | George | just sorting out my home directory |
| 01:33.02 | George | and pondering coding |
| 01:40.52 | LeedsHK | heh, anyone who mentions FOSDEM being in the "beautiful city of Brussels, Belgium" hasn't been to ULB :-) |
| 01:41.22 | LeedsHK | sure, the Grand Place is pretty, but there are some very ugly parts of town too... |
| 01:43.33 | George | interesting |
| 01:43.37 | George | I've *lost* an article |
| 01:43.39 | George | listerally just lost it |
| 01:44.52 | wethrin | Go to bed |
| 01:44.57 | wethrin | LeedsHK: Most of Brussels is ugly |
| 01:45.07 | wethrin | European Grey(TM) |
| 01:46.17 | George | hey wethrin |
| 01:46.19 | George | love you too |
| 01:46.44 | wethrin | :-) |
| 01:47.33 | George | wethrin: going to be at ukuug? |
| 01:48.01 | wethrin | Not specifically, but I'll be around Durham |
| 01:48.09 | George | hrmm |
| 01:48.11 | George | useless lump |
| 01:48.13 | wethrin | I may make it in to some of the talks, if they're of sufficient interest |
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| 01:58.17 | wethrin | night |
| 01:59.33 | George | night |
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| 02:34.21 | George | hi angelchild |
| 02:36.14 | George | lol |
| 02:36.18 | George | get more ram :P |
| 02:36.37 | George | hohoho |
| 02:36.40 | George | I'm funny |
| 02:37.22 | LeedsHK | it's a laptop - it's got 512MB already, which should be enough for anyone |
| 02:38.04 | LeedsHK | I don't object to firefox taking, say, a couple of hundred meg - I work it pretty hard - but I do object when it approaches 100% of real RAM |
| 02:39.44 | LeedsHK | on the other hand, I just lost almost all of my session when it crashed, because it hadn't finished reloading from the manual restart |
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| 07:50.41 | LeedsHK | ibot time |
| 07:50.41 | ibot | 2006.02.22 7:50:41 GMT |
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| 08:00.57 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 08:01.09 | LeedsHK | morsing! 8am on the dot! |
| 08:02.16 | LeedsHK | how are you? |
| 08:05.03 | Cope | morning |
| 08:08.04 | LeedsHK | Cope: how are you? |
| 08:08.34 | Cope | ok... |
| 08:09.20 | LeedsHK | had breakfast? |
| 08:09.28 | Cope | not yet |
| 08:10.04 | Cope | william still asleep :) |
| 08:10.11 | Cope | ibot william |
| 08:10.12 | ibot | somebody said william was the son of Cope... sadly unlikely ever to be seen again, in China. |
| 08:10.23 | morsing | LeedsHK, Cope I'm fine thank-you |
| 08:10.39 | LeedsHK | Cope: uh... |
| 08:10.42 | morsing | Cope: How do you know? |
| 08:10.56 | Cope | ibot no William is the son of Cope, who is living with Cope! |
| 08:10.56 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 08:11.28 | Cope | ibot laomao |
| 08:11.29 | ibot | somebody said laomao was the artist formerly known as Mrs Cope, but no longer so :-( |
| 08:12.28 | LeedsHK | ibot Cope |
| 08:12.28 | ibot | i guess cope is rocks, or clearly becoming a girl, or religion, or a 15 year old, or alex |
| 08:13.14 | LeedsHK | hmmm... I'm reasonably sure you're not 15 - the others are less certain |
| 08:13.55 | morsing | Cope: What happened? |
| 08:40.26 | LeedsHK | ibot change 768 hkd to gbp |
| 09:03.04 | mozrat | morning |
| 09:04.00 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 09:04.03 | morsing | Are you happy? |
| 09:04.11 | mozrat | very! |
| 09:04.39 | LeedsHK | why, what do you know? |
| 09:04.52 | mozrat | The meaning of life! |
| 09:07.11 | LeedsHK | and... |
| 09:09.11 | mozrat | In other news I have a tree on my desk |
| 09:09.23 | mozrat | it was delivered to reception for a non-existant name |
| 09:09.26 | mozrat | bonsai tree |
| 09:09.36 | mozrat | it has been on the receptionists desk for a week |
| 09:09.43 | mozrat | with no natural light |
| 09:09.55 | mozrat | and it is in rather a rough shape |
| 09:10.07 | LeedsHK | feed it |
| 09:10.17 | morsing | mozrat: Eat it |
| 09:10.41 | mozrat | I have a window with a commanding view over the Westbourne Terrace, Bishops Bridge Road junction |
| 09:10.46 | mozrat | so I am trying to revive it |
| 09:11.01 | LeedsHK | morsing: Cock it! |
| 09:23.57 | pdr | rhowe_? |
| 09:24.03 | pdr | (morning all) |
| 09:25.38 | LeedsHK | hi pdr |
| 09:28.20 | pdr | hey LeedsHK |
| 09:28.35 | pdr | you making it to fosdem by any chance? |
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| 09:29.08 | LeedsHK | that would be a big no... going to Sydney next week |
| 09:29.41 | pdr | cool, how long for? |
| 09:29.56 | LeedsHK | a week - family wedding |
| 09:31.31 | pdr | nice weather at this time of year |
| 09:32.43 | LeedsHK | didn't choose the dates :-) |
| 09:33.10 | LeedsHK | "GnomeMeeting has been renamed Ekiga, to be pronounced [i k ai g a]." |
| 09:34.43 | SlayerXP | much more catchy |
| 09:35.12 | pdr | now that's just silly |
| 09:35.26 | pdr | (pronounced "sillaay") |
| 09:35.32 | LeedsHK | http://blog.gnomemeeting.net/index.php?p=21 for the reasoning |
| 09:35.59 | LeedsHK | essentially, calling all gnome software gnomefoo is silly, and tying yourself to netmeeting is silly when netmeeting is dead |
| 09:36.38 | pdr | very much fair enough, but "Ekiga"? pronounced some strange way? |
| 09:37.20 | LeedsHK | pdr: it's possible that it's not pronounced some strange way if, say, you're Phlegmish |
| 09:45.02 | pdr | ok, i take it back, it's not a silly name at all |
| 09:48.32 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 09:49.09 | SlayerXP | yes? |
| 09:49.23 | morsing | ./home/logxfer/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 09:50.43 | SlayerXP | unless you're running an ancient version of ssh, you don't need the "2" |
| 09:52.00 | morsing | SlayerXP: The guy setting this up is ancient |
| 09:52.24 | SlayerXP | tell him you have a policy of only using type 2 DSA with passphrases |
| 09:52.34 | SlayerXP | type 2 DSA keys, that is |
| 09:52.43 | morsing | SlayerXP: SSH doesn't use that file but he doesn't realise that |
| 10:00.16 | LeedsHK | Salary tax dropped by 1% in the budget in HK today |
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| 10:07.57 | LeedsHK | http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/section-item.asp?sid=54&iid=384 |
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| 10:24.58 | stephanb2 | hello everybody |
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| 10:37.12 | LeedsHK | kbsingh! stephanb2! |
| 10:37.35 | kbsingh | hiya Leeds |
| 10:43.37 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:46.16 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 11:07.01 | morsing | grep: can't open SettingsTempresmscmp001_1.eve |
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| 11:49.43 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 11:53.43 | rhowe_ | pdr: ? |
| 11:57.41 | Erwin | ${morsing} |
| 12:02.23 | morsing | grep: can't open SettingsTempresmscmp001_3.eve |
| 12:05.46 | pdr | hey rhowe |
| 12:06.07 | pdr | just wanted to ask you how you were planning to meet up on Friday |
| 12:06.31 | pdr | formi is going to drive over on Thursday night and crash here, do you want to do the same? |
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| 12:33.23 | wethrin | People! |
| 12:33.29 | wethrin | And PDR! |
| 12:33.30 | kbsingh | wethrin, |
| 12:33.38 | wethrin | kb! |
| 12:39.16 | murb | more people! |
| 12:39.21 | murb | are many people going to be at fosdem? |
| 12:40.55 | wethrin | I am |
| 12:41.06 | wethrin | Normally there are lots of people at Fosdem |
| 12:42.36 | murb | that i know already :-p |
| 12:42.41 | rhowe | pdr: Nah, I can get to your place or Bermondsey for ~11am easily enough |
| 12:42.49 | rhowe | pdr: Jia will be staying with me on Thursday night |
| 12:46.24 | kbsingh | morsing, got my tickets today |
| 12:46.33 | kbsingh | and I am on the 17:29 from ashford |
| 12:46.52 | kbsingh | gets into Brussels at 20:10 |
| 12:47.01 | rhowe | http://www.wreckage.org/files/Operations%20Report%202005.pdf |
| 12:47.10 | rhowe | Some amusing tales from work there |
| 12:48.02 | pdr | rhowe: ack |
| 12:48.56 | pdr | we'll probably be heading around 11:15am, but just give us a call when you get to Bermondsey tube station and I'll come and get you (I'm guessing you'll be getting here by tube?) |
| 12:50.31 | pdr | wethrin! |
| 12:50.34 | rhowe | pdr: Hm.. probably by train if there's a suitable service |
| 12:50.34 | rhowe | pdr: I don't live on the tube |
| 12:50.34 | rhowe | pdr: I may even bus it in from Lewisham |
| 12:51.05 | pdr | lewisham? well that's just about on the way, so could get you from there perhaps |
| 12:51.22 | rhowe | pdr: Hrm, well you know where I live - will you be driving along the south circular? |
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| 12:51.46 | pdr | umm... can't remember exactly where you live |
| 12:51.56 | rhowe | pdr: Hither Green, just the other side of Catford |
| 12:52.06 | pdr | i'll be going ideally down the A2 then the A20 then the M20 |
| 12:52.13 | pdr | postcode? |
| 12:52.18 | rhowe | SE6 1UY |
| 12:53.22 | rhowe | Well how about you meet me at New Cross? |
| 12:54.00 | pdr | nah, that's a piece of piss, can easily pick you up at your place |
| 12:54.17 | pdr | it's very much on the way |
| 12:54.35 | rhowe | Oh OK then, although I will probably be taking Jia to the station |
| 12:55.04 | rhowe | So I can easily get to New Cross (and it won't cost me anything to do) |
| 12:55.26 | rhowe | It's not even 10mins on the train from Hither Green |
| 12:56.34 | pdr | hmm... thinking... |
| 12:57.52 | rhowe | brb phone call |
| 12:57.55 | pdr | k |
| 12:57.58 | rhowe | Pipex sucks, btw |
| 12:59.33 | pdr | is there another station in between hither green and new x? |
| 13:02.11 | rhowe | pdr: Lewisham & St Johns |
| 13:02.14 | pdr | new cross is on the A20 which is nice and easy for us, but working out when and exactly where to pick you up might be difficult |
| 13:03.10 | rhowe | pdr: It looks like New Cross station is right on the A20, and one would (naively?) assume it has a car park/pick up point |
| 13:03.40 | pdr | i don't think it does |
| 13:04.05 | pdr | and iirc it's really not an easy place to pick up since there's no side street and only one non-bus lane |
| 13:05.29 | pdr | google maps doesn't have it marked, but is the other station on St John's Vale (road) |
| 13:06.48 | pdr | near elverson rd dlr? |
| 13:11.20 | pdr | formi: you around? |
| 13:13.44 | IAmAI | Hello, peeps. |
| 13:13.53 | pdr | hi IAmAI |
| 13:14.16 | IAmAI | Did anyone go the last meeting? |
| 13:14.25 | IAmAI | The one about the video editing software? |
| 13:16.22 | pdr | i know someone who went. does that count? |
| 13:16.39 | pdr | apparently the software is really good but the presentation was crap |
| 13:17.04 | rhowe | pdr: Going by the satellite image on google maps, St. Johns is just off Saint John's Vale |
| 13:17.37 | pdr | rhowe: same map as i was looking at. It might be easier to pick you up there |
| 13:23.23 | Cope | ewlo |
| 13:27.32 | pdr | hey cope |
| 13:27.37 | pdr | bbiab |
| 13:27.45 | IAmAI | Oh dear LOL |
| 13:28.26 | IAmAI | Can anyone recommend any free software for web development (HTML, CSS, PHP, etc.). |
| 13:28.53 | kbsingh | IAmAI, Vim |
| 13:28.57 | IAmAI | LOL |
| 13:29.00 | kbsingh | ok |
| 13:29.04 | kbsingh | in that case, eclipse! |
| 13:29.12 | IAmAI | Eclipse? |
| 13:29.35 | IAmAI | I love Eclipse for Java programming. I've not really checked it out for web development. |
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| 13:39.59 | rhowe | mozrat: Your post about the 15 minutely timesheet thing reminds me of a dilbert comic |
| 13:40.15 | rhowe | mozrat: "Here's your timesheet. It needs to be filled in every 15 minutes so that we know what you're doing" |
| 13:40.31 | rhowe | mozrat: "I want to die." "The code for strangulation by necktie is 4581" |
| 13:40.44 | rhowe | mozrat: (or something like that) |
| 13:41.18 | George | hi |
| 13:41.29 | rhowe | George |
| 13:42.51 | Cope | hello George |
| 13:43.12 | George | I have decided that the word "nonanonymosity" is a fantastic word |
| 13:47.07 | Cope | smile |
| 13:48.20 | George | smile? |
| 13:49.02 | George | stephanb2: I just made it up |
| 13:49.09 | George | stephanb2: it involves both greek and latin negatives :D |
| 13:49.25 | George | hint: non (latin): not |
| 13:49.34 | George | a- (prefix, greek): not |
| 13:49.39 | George | nomos (greek): name |
| 13:49.54 | stephanb2 | and i don't know whether the root is "anonymity" or "animosity" |
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| 13:57.40 | stephanb2 | from which we create the noun "non-a-nonymous" = "he who can be named" |
| 13:58.10 | stephanb2 | then the adjective derived would be "non-a-nonym-ity" |
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| 14:00.44 | George | stephanb2: try not without a name |
| 14:05.13 | morsing | stephanb2: What?! |
| 14:05.32 | morsing | What's the memory limit for a ksh variable? |
| 14:05.47 | stephanb2 | morsing: what what ? |
| 14:08.20 | wethrin | hello |
| 14:12.19 | George | sausages |
| 14:12.24 | George | and creaeaaaammmm |
| 14:12.49 | wethrin | ew |
| 14:13.07 | wethrin | angelchild: Wake up! |
| 14:13.18 | morsing | 13:57 < stephanb2> from which we create the noun "non-a-nonymous" = "he who can |
| 14:13.18 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.18 | morsing | 13:58 < stephanb2> then the adjective derived would be "non-a-nonym-ity" |
| 14:13.26 | wethrin | hello morsing |
| 14:13.31 | morsing | wethrin :-) |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | Got your money? |
| 14:15.13 | wethrin | Just been paid? |
| 14:16.53 | George | argh |
| 14:16.57 | angelchild | AHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:17.03 | George | useless lump |
| 14:17.22 | wethrin | angelchild: Are you coming to Fosdem? |
| 14:17.28 | angelchild | that's okay, ssh hates you too George :) |
| 14:17.30 | angelchild | wethrin: no |
| 14:17.37 | wethrin | You should |
| 14:17.37 | George | angelchild: and I hate you, your guts and your face |
| 14:18.28 | morsing | angelchild: Why not :-( |
| 14:18.45 | angelchild | err, because |
| 14:19.19 | wethrin | There's a youth hostel space become available |
| 14:20.18 | wethrin | So you should come! |
| 14:25.21 | morsing | wethrin: ? |
| 14:25.34 | morsing | wethrin: What's the max size of a variable in korn shell? |
| 14:25.53 | wethrin | No idea |
| 14:25.57 | morsing | :-( |
| 14:26.11 | wethrin | morsing: Think Camelot might be interested in sponsoring Durham Uni Computing Society? |
| 14:26.42 | morsing | wethrin: You can apply |
| 14:26.51 | wethrin | For Lottery Funding? |
| 14:26.55 | morsing | Yes |
| 14:27.02 | morsing | Good luck |
| 14:27.06 | wethrin | Meh. We're not that much of a good cause |
| 14:27.20 | morsing | wethrin: How do I find out? |
| 14:27.43 | wethrin | morsing: When you say maximum size, what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:27.45 | wethrin | Length? Value? |
| 14:28.08 | morsing | CSTRING=`instfix -iv` runs out of memory |
| 14:28.18 | SlayerXP | morsing: "who cares?" is the answer |
| 14:28.27 | morsing | instfix -iv outputs about 1.5MB of data |
| 14:28.36 | morsing | SlayerXP: **** ***! |
| 14:29.09 | wethrin | morsing: It gives you an error message? |
| 14:30.05 | morsing | ./audit.sh[162]: 0403-029 There is not enough memory available now. |
| 14:30.31 | morsing | mamgp201(root)# CSTRING=`instfix -iv` |
| 14:30.31 | morsing | ksh: 0403-029 There is not enough memory available now. |
| 14:34.17 | Cope | I see the problem. |
| 14:34.23 | morsing | Cope: Thanks |
| 14:35.46 | morsing | Check it! |
| 14:37.57 | wethrin | Cope! |
| 14:42.55 | wethrin | morsing: You dont think Camelot would be willing to sponsor by themselves? |
| 14:46.03 | pdr | rhowe: have we worked out where to meet then? |
| 14:46.28 | pdr | and george, greek and latin both derive from the same root language anyway, so it's all good |
| 14:48.33 | stephanb2 | pdr: sanskript ? |
| 14:54.55 | morsing | FAIL: rlogin and ttys enabled for user gamprdba: ALL |
| 14:56.29 | pdr | stephanb2: and sanskrit too. They all derive from *PIE, proto-indo-european |
| 15:04.57 | angelchild | :o |
| 15:10.04 | mozrat | Good afternoon |
| 15:12.13 | rhowe | pdr: Not really.. I'm having to debug a flaky ADSL link in an office staffed by a woman who refuses to look under a desk, and an overworked company director who doesn't have time to help |
| 15:12.52 | rhowe | pdr: Both of whose ability, IT-wise, is limited to being able to follow a wire from one end to the other |
| 15:13.30 | SlayerXP | rhowe: you're lucky you have that much assistance |
| 15:13.58 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Yeah.. I emailed him a photo of an NTE5 and said "Does the black cable from the black box plug into one of these?" to which he said no |
| 15:18.10 | stephanb2 | another classic case of PEBKAC |
| 15:18.24 | stephanb2 | Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair |
| 15:20.04 | SlayerXP | I love users, I truely do. |
| 15:20.50 | mozrat | Users smell |
| 15:21.35 | stephanb2 | ls -l /dev/mind/knowledge/sci.tech.comp/cables/ |
| 15:22.12 | stephanb2 | "can u please point the webcam to the back of your workstation thank you" |
| 15:40.17 | pdr | back |
| 15:40.25 | Cope | gammon |
| 15:40.35 | pdr | rhowe: sounds harsh |
| 15:40.51 | pdr | Cope: one of my favourite games! |
| 15:41.35 | pdr | rhowe: what time do you have to drop jia off? |
| 15:42.37 | pdr | Cope: how's your mum? |
| 15:43.21 | Cope | pdr: scared |
| 15:48.18 | morsing | What happens if I put the key in a hash twice? (Perl) |
| 15:48.33 | morsing | s/the key/the same key/ |
| 15:49.55 | morsing | SlayerXP? |
| 15:50.55 | SlayerXP | yes? |
| 15:50.59 | SlayerXP | startkeylogger |
| 15:52.07 | morsing | What happens if I put the key in a hash twice? (Perl) |
| 15:52.19 | pdr | biab |
| 15:52.22 | SlayerXP | the second overwrites the 1st |
| 15:53.29 | morsing | SlayerXP: Ok |
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| 15:54.10 | rhowe | pdr: No particular time, just need to see her off before I go |
| 15:54.31 | rhowe | pdr: Really I can meet you anywhere between Hither Green and your place, just name a time and a place that's convenient for you |
| 15:54.58 | rhowe | pdr: I'll see Jia off, and then head off to the meeting point, wherever that may be |
| 15:56.46 | morsing | SlayerXP: If sattrlist is a hash, what would $sattrlist{value} do in a test? |
| 15:57.06 | SlayerXP | i don't know what you mean |
| 15:57.25 | morsing | I want to test if that keys is already in the hash |
| 15:57.35 | morsing | if ($sattrlist{id}) { kjdhsvkjsfrnv } |
| 15:57.54 | SlayerXP | that will do it |
| 15:59.24 | morsing | Hmm... Doesn't seem to work |
| 16:00.13 | SlayerXP | postel:~# perl -e '$f{a}=1; if ($f{a}){print "yes\n";}' |
| 16:00.13 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 16:00.13 | SlayerXP | postel:~# perl -e 'if ($f{a}){print "yes\n";}' |
| 16:00.13 | SlayerXP | postel:~# |
| 16:20.10 | pawel | hi. :> |
| 16:40.16 | morsing | SlayerXP: If it doesn't exist I get a random value... |
| 16:40.25 | SlayerXP | eh? |
| 16:49.34 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.47 | rhowe | Seems Joe Spammer needs to learn how to use their software |
| 17:04.38 | kbsingh | rhowe, I've had a few of such spam as well - with the macro's not expanded! |
| 17:42.01 | skugg | kbsingh: how could a macro own a 'not'? and what is a 'not' anyway? |
| 17:46.10 | stephanb2 | time 2 go home |
| 17:46.16 | stephanb2 | bye everybody |
| 17:46.30 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 17:56.43 | pdr | rhowe: ok, cool, then St John's Vale at 11:30 then? |
| 17:56.57 | pdr | I just don't want to have you waiting around in the cold for hours |
| 17:58.26 | pawel | ooo... and it is chilly today. ;> |
| 17:58.49 | pdr | quite |
| 17:59.09 | pdr | had the car serviced/MOTed today, so it's all good for Friday |
| 18:00.15 | pawel | cars, they give you so much trouble these days... all computerised with dozens of sensors. |
| 18:01.39 | pawel | I am having some strange issues with acceleration, 6 different garages and no one can spot the problem. |
| 18:02.01 | pawel | they all blame sensors. |
| 18:02.42 | Blapto | Been driving past any radars recently? |
| 18:03.54 | pawel | I do not know, maybe or maybe not. there is so much of them around. |
| 18:03.59 | pawel | ;> |
| 18:04.14 | pawel | Blapto: why do the waves disturb them? |
| 18:06.33 | rhowe | pdr: I'll be well wrapped up if it's cold |
| 18:06.37 | rhowe | pdr: There's a reasonable potential for snow this weekend |
| 18:07.50 | pawel | btw. does anyone of you do something in php? ;> a simple question, when I try to count($array), when there is only $array[0] $array[1] |
| 18:08.02 | pawel | it returns 3. |
| 18:08.08 | pawel | how come? |
| 18:08.36 | pawel | does it count the word Array? |
| 18:08.53 | pawel | because according to the manual it should not. |
| 18:17.03 | Blapto | pawel, there have been stories in the media recently about a certain RAF radar that is causing cars to behave strangely when passing it. |
| 18:17.25 | Blapto | http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=218803 |
| 18:17.44 | gregj | pawel: oh! shymansky |
| 18:18.10 | George | moo |
| 18:49.41 | Blapto | Argh. |
| 18:49.44 | Blapto | Stupid chocolate |
| 18:49.51 | Blapto | Got a bit of a funny aftertaste, so I have to eat more of it |
| 18:54.17 | wethrin | :-) |
| 18:56.41 | mozrat | evenin' |
| 19:03.56 | Blapto | mozrat |
| 19:04.02 | Blapto | Yay, I never have to feel lonely again |
| 19:04.08 | Blapto | I can get as much post as I want |
| 19:04.19 | Blapto | I just need to keep getting HSBC to tell me my pin number :D |
| 19:06.00 | mozrat | heh |
| 19:15.48 | George | ergh |
| 19:15.49 | George | lost a disk |
| 19:15.50 | George | :( |
| 19:16.35 | George | 200GB sata |
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| 19:26.52 | Blapto | RAID? |
| 19:32.29 | George | yes |
| 19:49.03 | Cope | sucky :( |
| 19:49.25 | George | hey Cope |
| 19:49.31 | Cope | hiya |
| 19:49.47 | George | sausages |
| 19:53.41 | George | currently zeroing out another disk to check if it's dead |
| 19:55.15 | murb | George: doing that is good as it means that dead sectors get mapped out. |
| 19:57.40 | George | it's good? |
| 19:59.17 | murb | George: well if you have a sector you can't read then it wouldn't generally get mapped out. |
| 19:59.30 | murb | if you write to it, if there are spare sectors they can be remapped. |
| 20:01.52 | George | heh, cool |
| 20:05.35 | murb | if the drive supports smart you might be able to get data on how many sectors have already been remapped. |
| 20:06.34 | George | it's sata |
| 20:09.30 | murb | good, so almost certainly it does. |
| 20:09.48 | murb | if you are running linux you'll need atleast 2.6.15 though for smartsuit to work. |
| 20:09.58 | George | hrmm |
| 20:10.00 | George | I'm on 2.6.15.1 |
| 20:10.14 | Blapto | murb, I've been running SMART stuff off of a 2.4 kernel. |
| 20:10.22 | George | Blapto: with sata? |
| 20:10.30 | Blapto | SCSI |
| 20:10.45 | George | sata != scsi :P |
| 20:10.52 | George | I'm sure scsi support in linux is much more mature than sata ;) |
| 20:10.54 | Blapto | Yeah, but it would probably still work. |
| 20:10.55 | murb | Blapto: that is known to work if the driver supports it. |
| 20:10.57 | murb | and the disk. |
| 20:11.04 | murb | Blapto: no, not before 2.6.15 |
| 20:11.15 | murb | unless you had the ata passthrough patch applied. |
| 20:11.28 | Blapto | ok |
| 20:12.25 | murb | if you have a 3ware controller they supply a seperate device just for the passthrough. |
| 20:12.36 | George | murb: smartmontools? |
| 20:12.59 | murb | George: sounds correct. |
| 20:13.13 | murb | they also have a webstie with some tips. |
| 20:16.47 | George | doesn't want to work |
| 20:16.51 | George | can't be arsed to try and get it to work |
| 20:21.07 | pdr | pawel: indeed, i liked it when cars were simple, now there's not an inch to spare under the hood coz it's full of electronic this and that |
| 20:21.44 | pdr | rhowe: cool, i like driving in snow! :-) four-wheel drifting here we come... |
| 20:25.44 | pawel | pdr: my previous car was "just" 5 years older with no computer and sensors whatsoever, so I could sit down on Saturday and try to fix/play with it. now I cannot do anything all seems to be so much complicated, even having manuals gives you nothing, unless you have proper diagnostic equipment. |
| 20:28.12 | mozrat | hello |
| 20:28.41 | George | hey mozzy! |
| 20:36.43 | mozrat | hey! |
| 20:37.12 | Blapto | I first realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat. |
| 20:37.23 | George | mozrat: I have an old man's name? |
| 20:37.26 | mozrat | Dyslexics rule ko |
| 20:37.38 | mozrat | George: nah, not really. You are the only George I know however |
| 20:37.46 | Blapto | People are very misinformed about dyslexia. |
| 20:37.51 | George | mozrat: :P |
| 20:37.58 | Blapto | For example, did you realise that dyslexia is an anagram of spoon? |
| 20:39.27 | mozrat | the dyslexic bank robber rushed into the bank and shouted "Put your mother holding hands in the air - this is a fuck up" |
| 20:39.32 | mozrat | or something like that |
| 20:46.14 | Blapto | "Don't you mean a hold up?" |
| 20:46.19 | Blapto | "No, a fuck up, I forgot the gun." |
| 20:51.36 | mozrat | hehe |
| 20:52.21 | mozrat | Today in Dublin bank robbers held up the main bank... .Police were quick to react and they covered all of the exits to the bank |
| 20:52.32 | mozrat | unfortunately the robbers escaped through the entrances |
| 21:07.04 | George | mozrat: that's a crap joke |
| 21:07.53 | SlayerXP | i need to shave |
| 21:16.57 | Blapto | So shave? |
| 21:19.11 | pawel | Blapto: now you have upset him. |
| 21:19.12 | pawel | ;> |
| 21:19.23 | Blapto | Yeah, looks that way |
| 21:21.04 | pdr | pawel: even a five-year-old car has efi |
| 21:25.22 | pawel | pdr: I said that is was a 5-years _older_ car. ;-) VW Golf Mk2 to be precise, diesel, not a gti or g60. |
| 21:38.30 | pdr | ah, i see! |
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| 22:55.02 | George | root 8429 80.9 0.0 1448 348 pts/1 R+ 19:19 159:58 dd if /dev/urandom of /dev/sdg |
| 22:55.05 | George | grrr |
| 22:55.08 | George | nearly 3 hours |
| 22:57.26 | rhowe | /dev/zero is faster |
| 22:57.30 | rhowe | Albeit not quite as random |
| 22:58.16 | George | hrmm |
| 22:58.25 | George | surely it would be able to generate random numbers at 20MB/s |
| 22:59.04 | rhowe | man dd |
| 22:59.13 | rhowe | There's a signal you can send it to make it print progress information |
| 22:59.18 | rhowe | SIGUSR1 IIRC |
| 23:00.15 | George | nothing in the dd man page |
| 23:01.04 | Erwin | Yep. |
| 23:01.21 | Erwin | FreeBSD is much nicer there -- you just press Control-T with almost anything to print status |
| 23:01.37 | George | looks like it's done 90GB |
| 23:02.36 | George | done 1.2GB so far |
| 23:02.36 | George | lol |
| 23:03.32 | rhowe | George: Why not dd 50M of /dev/urandom and then repeat that all over the disk? |
| 23:03.44 | rhowe | George: It's not going to be especially random, but should be OK I guess |
| 23:03.47 | George | rhowe: because I'm stupid :P |
| 23:03.58 | wethrin | Erwin: I quite like the SIGINFO that *BSD's cp accepts |
| 23:04.21 | wethrin | fine |
| 23:04.27 | George | :) |
| 23:04.49 | angelchild | she hates you too |
| 23:04.57 | wethrin | thanks AC :) |
| 23:04.58 | George | stupid child! |
| 23:06.25 | George | see, angelchild is so rude |
| 23:07.00 | Erwin | wethrin: Yeah, that's what ^T sends. I think there was talk of implementing this in Linux but it's so much harder due to Linux being so many separte pieces, unlike FreeBSD |
| 23:07.12 | wethrin | Integration++ |
| 23:07.21 | angelchild | could you not add it to the coreutils, etc packages? |
| 23:07.47 | Erwin | Well, to change it in LInux you'd have to change 1) the kernel 2) GNU libc 3) all the file/core/etc. GNU utils |
| 23:08.03 | Erwin | All developed by different people, on different schedules |
| 23:08.18 | angelchild | hrm, I suppose |
| 23:08.25 | Erwin | While with FreeBSD, all of this is in a single CVS tree, developed by the same team with with a single release schedule |
| 23:08.32 | angelchild | the linux kernel itself must be getting somewhat unmanagable by now? |
| 23:09.25 | George | :'( |
| 23:09.37 | George | I think angelchild is very rude |
| 23:09.47 | wethrin | Seagate++ |
| 23:09.56 | George | wethrin: my failed disk is a seagate. |
| 23:10.50 | Blapto | It's all totally random |
| 23:11.02 | Blapto | I've had drivers from every mainstream manufacturer fail on me. |
| 23:11.29 | wethrin | George: Yeah, so? I sent back a pair of 200GB disks as warranty replacements, and they've sent me back 300GB disks |
| 23:11.40 | Blapto | That's pretty cool. |
| 23:11.49 | Blapto | wethrin, I've got loads of photos of the LHC at CERN |
| 23:11.50 | wethrin | I've been having more issues with Seagate drives in my fileserver, and DMA timeout errors |
| 23:11.52 | Blapto | And their computer centre. |
| 23:11.57 | wethrin | Mainly when running Samba, though |
| 23:12.01 | wethrin | Nice |
| 23:12.11 | Blapto | I thought you might want to perv over them or something |
| 23:12.11 | wethrin | Blapto: You Fosdemming? |
| 23:12.15 | wethrin | Blapto: Hell yes |
| 23:12.17 | Blapto | Nah, haven't got the time I don't think |
| 23:12.22 | wethrin | Boo. It's this weekend |
| 23:12.28 | wethrin | And there's accommodation space |
| 23:12.38 | Blapto | Is there transport space |
| 23:12.47 | wethrin | Ask pdr nicely |
| 23:13.18 | Blapto | Do you know when he's leaving/returning |
| 23:13.33 | wethrin | Not sure. Out Friday, back Sunday, I think |
| 23:14.00 | Blapto | pdr, ping |
| 23:14.11 | Blapto | I'm depressed enough to consider this |
| 23:14.19 | wethrin | phone/text may be worth it |
| 23:14.50 | Blapto | Is there much computer stuff done at fosdem? |
| 23:15.00 | wethrin | you have a business card |
| 23:15.09 | Blapto | Got it, thanks. |
| 23:15.10 | wethrin | What do you mean by 'computer stuff'? |
| 23:15.24 | Blapto | Anything to do with computers? |
| 23:16.53 | wethrin | Well, it's the Free and Open-Source Developers European Meeting |
| 23:16.55 | wethrin | So yes |
| 23:17.08 | Blapto | Yes, but that rarely means anything./ |
| 23:17.23 | pawel | wethrin: how about accommodation there? |
| 23:17.30 | wethrin | pawel: What about it? |
| 23:17.38 | Blapto | There's a free YH place, isn't there? |
| 23:17.51 | wethrin | One free, because Cope pulled out. You'd owe me money for it, though |
| 23:17.54 | wethrin | 30EUR or GBP21.50 |
| 23:17.55 | pawel | wethrin: where are you guys going to sleep? :> |
| 23:18.01 | wethrin | pawel: Youth Hostel |
| 23:18.16 | pawel | how much is it? |
| 23:18.22 | wethrin | 30EUR or GBP21.50 :) |
| 23:18.24 | pawel | ah. |
| 23:18.33 | pawel | a night? or a weekend? :> |
| 23:18.38 | wethrin | Two nights |
| 23:18.45 | Blapto | I think I'm going to have to pass on this one actually. |
| 23:18.50 | wethrin | Blapto: Boo :-P |
| 23:19.09 | Blapto | Err |
| 23:19.13 | Blapto | I split up with my girlfriend |
| 23:19.16 | wethrin | Oh :( |
| 23:19.21 | wethrin | Sorry to hear that |
| 23:19.25 | Blapto | And a girl therefore told me she'd been waiting for me to do that for about a year now. |
| 23:19.27 | Blapto | And has thrown herself at me. |
| 23:19.38 | pawel | heh... |
| 23:19.52 | Blapto | Well, she (the ex) dumped me. |
| 23:19.55 | Blapto | For someone else. |
| 23:20.06 | Blapto | But I'm not bitter and twisted! (Yes I bloody am) |
| 23:20.10 | pawel | Blapto: that sounds really awful. |
| 23:20.33 | Blapto | We'd only been going out for about a year and a half. |
| 23:20.42 | Blapto | But I've retained naked photos of her. |
| 23:20.46 | wethrin | :-) |
| 23:20.57 | Blapto | And there are plenty more distros on the rsync server, as they say. |
| 23:21.05 | pawel | Blapto: upload($files); |
| 23:21.07 | pawel | ;> |
| 23:21.41 | wethrin | yar |
| 23:23.22 | Blapto | Avast! |
| 23:23.24 | wethrin | yarrrr! |
| 23:23.39 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
| 23:23.45 | wethrin | pawel: You fosdemming, then? |
| 23:24.37 | pawel | Blapto: this is my little secret. ;> |
| 23:24.46 | pawel | wethrin: well, no. :> |
| 23:24.50 | wethrin | bah |
| 23:25.45 | pawel | wethrin: to late to fit it in my budget. ;> |
| 23:26.00 | wethrin | bah |
| 23:31.11 | Blapto | Ahh, found the perfect girl. |
| 23:31.40 | Blapto | Beautiful, great taste in music, her dad was the UK editor for Wired and... She does A-level DT! |
| 23:31.46 | wethrin | but.....? |
| 23:31.53 | Blapto | Well, it isn't going to happen |
| 23:32.28 | wethrin | ah |
| 23:32.29 | wethrin | :( |
| 23:32.37 | wethrin | Also....Wired... |
| 23:32.59 | Blapto | This was 13 years ago |
| 23:33.02 | Blapto | When it was a real magazine |
| 23:33.05 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 23:33.14 | wethrin | Not pandering to the Slashdot-weenies? |
| 23:33.53 | pawel | Blapto: and you have forgotten to add that also work as a part time CEO in the city topping £1200000 a year. |
| 23:34.06 | Blapto | She's 18. |
| 23:34.10 | Blapto | Or 17, I'm not sure. |
| 23:34.24 | wethrin | :-) |
| 23:34.27 | pawel | oh. great, so she can work fulltime. |
| 23:34.29 | Blapto | Ahhh, the great ID cockup |
| 23:34.38 | Blapto | Our science society goes to a pub |
| 23:34.42 | pawel | let's make it 2400000. |
| 23:34.44 | pawel | great. |
| 23:34.48 | Blapto | Half of us are 18, half of us aren't. |
| 23:34.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:35.03 | Blapto | So basically, I'm buying twice as many drinks as I'm drinking. |
| 23:35.08 | Blapto | And drinking twice as much as I should anyway. |
| 23:35.09 | pawel | Blapto: I must raport it. |
| 23:35.21 | wethrin | Blapto: Go to Uni, and BOOZE MORE! |
| 23:35.34 | Blapto | Barmaid says to me "I'm not sure you're actually capable of drinking a pint every 5 minutes" |
| 23:35.44 | Blapto | Walks over to the table we're at |
| 23:35.52 | Blapto | sees about 30 empty glasses. |
| 23:35.52 | wethrin | Down it in front of her and say "You were saying?" |
| 23:35.53 | Blapto | 10 people |
| 23:36.01 | Blapto | and 5 people who she's been selling alcohol to |
| 23:36.07 | Blapto | Does some mental arithmetic |
| 23:36.13 | Blapto | realises we're not paralytic |
| 23:36.16 | Blapto | And chucks us out :D |
| 23:36.25 | Blapto | Of course "I've been thrown out of better places than this" |
| 23:37.09 | Blapto | wethrin, I'm not going to uni if I get into the RAF. |
| 23:37.20 | pawel | I would not do so many stupid things. |
| 23:37.23 | wethrin | RAF will often pay your way |
| 23:37.28 | Blapto | Hmmm |
| 23:37.30 | pawel | keep my mind straight. |
| 23:37.33 | Blapto | I'm applying for pilot |
| 23:37.52 | wethrin | I think as long as you work for them during holidays, and go to them when you graduate |
| 23:37.56 | Blapto | the RAF likes to take pilots as young as possible (ooo,err) |
| 23:38.02 | wethrin | fnarr |
| 23:38.07 | Blapto | old dogs and new tricks. |
| 23:39.09 | Blapto | http://www.b3ta.com/links/59 |
| 23:39.10 | Blapto | This |
| 23:39.38 | wethrin | Old news |
| 23:41.11 | Blapto | OK |
| 23:41.18 | Blapto | Just thought you might get a kick out of it |
| 23:41.29 | wethrin | Aye. But it's clearly a fake |
| 23:41.36 | wethrin | E&B would never go to the effort of DNA testing |
| 23:41.53 | Blapto | It's clearly a fake due to the fact that semen washes away. |
| 23:42.19 | wethrin | There is that too |
| 23:47.09 | Blapto | RAF have great rules |
| 23:47.23 | Blapto | No drinking within 12 yards of an aircraft, no smoking within 12 hours of flying |
| 23:47.23 | Blapto | etc. |
| 23:49.07 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:50.08 | Blapto | I was on a 9 day gliding camp |
| 23:50.20 | wethrin | Ooh |
| 23:50.21 | Blapto | I'd completed and soloed within 5 days, so I had 4 days to kill. |
| 23:50.25 | wethrin | Nice |
| 23:50.35 | wethrin | Anyway. I need sleep. Night! |
| 23:50.41 | Blapto | Boss comes up to me "You're 16, right? Take this crate of beer in a freezer, go sleep under that plane for 4 days" |
| 23:50.42 | Blapto | Fantastic |
| 23:50.45 | Blapto | Night night |