| 00:01.19 | ldnblk | its cruzing at a reasonable altitude now george thanks to u folks |
| 00:01.40 | George | aircraft carriers don't fly... ;) |
| 00:01.40 | Blapto | Errr, aircraft carriers don't fly. |
| 00:01.48 | George | Blapto: beat you. |
| 00:01.54 | Blapto | Say "rate of knots" instead. |
| 00:01.58 | Blapto | That's a touch more naval. |
| 00:02.29 | Blapto | I'm off to do various bored things. |
| 00:02.31 | Blapto | Night |
| 00:05.02 | ldnblk | night blapto |
| 00:14.52 | pawel | infected mushroom |
| 00:15.13 | George | hrmm |
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| 00:17.45 | desmodue | Hi there |
| 00:19.35 | desmodue | REGISTER simone |
| 00:20.17 | George | ? |
| 00:20.20 | desmodue | ops |
| 00:20.32 | desmodue | trying to register my nick |
| 00:20.39 | desmodue | new to irc |
| 00:21.01 | desmodue | trying with a very obscure password :) |
| 00:21.18 | desmodue | Hi George |
| 00:21.54 | desmodue | ok |
| 00:24.09 | desmodue | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.28 | ldnblk | desmodue have u tried /msg nickserv <your obsurenick/password> ? |
| 00:24.38 | desmodue | thanks |
| 00:24.44 | desmodue | yes |
| 00:24.53 | desmodue | now i am trying to change it |
| 00:24.54 | ldnblk | did that not work ? |
| 00:24.59 | desmodue | yes it did |
| 00:25.06 | ldnblk | fab |
| 00:25.09 | desmodue | thanks |
| 00:25.13 | desmodue | guys |
| 00:25.15 | desmodue | i am new |
| 00:25.15 | ldnblk | night folks |
| 00:25.19 | desmodue | night |
| 00:27.26 | desmodue | night then, see u soon |
| 00:33.36 | pawel | :> |
| 00:33.41 | pawel | sucks. |
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| 05:38.33 | Cope | urgh |
| 06:17.59 | Cope | grr |
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| 07:52.47 | George | how's fosdem? |
| 07:53.02 | George | directed to anyone who's there |
| 08:03.47 | Cope | good morning |
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| 10:07.56 | George | heylo |
| 11:33.42 | Leeds | hmm... karaoke |
| 11:41.43 | skugg | mornin'. |
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| 14:12.51 | mozrat | afternoon |
| 14:15.26 | boudiccas | mozrat; may i pm you please? |
| 14:15.34 | mozrat | sure! |
| 14:58.19 | Cope | can anyone try and get http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/local_radio/ please? |
| 14:58.31 | Cope | I'm getting some crap recording saying it isn't available |
| 15:51.41 | George | hey |
| 15:56.46 | Cope | ho |
| 15:59.14 | George | moo |
| 16:02.10 | Cope | baa |
| 16:07.33 | Cope | yemi yemi yemi |
| 16:09.16 | pawel | :> |
| 16:09.31 | pawel | goo goo goo |
| 16:10.44 | pawel | Cope: the radio works for me fine. |
| 16:10.54 | pawel | Cope: using gxine. |
| 16:12.20 | Cope | hmm |
| 16:12.25 | Cope | interesting |
| 16:13.40 | pawel | you can always try http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/audiohelp_nix.shtml to get some clues or leave them feedback. |
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| 17:47.19 | JAV | hello |
| 17:50.33 | skugg | hello. |
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| 18:16.33 | pawel | skugg: the taste of that beer must be awful. |
| 18:31.46 | George | death to angelchild! |
| 18:33.58 | pawel | boring... |
| 18:36.21 | George | :) |
| 18:38.04 | pawel | somewhere over the rainbow... |
| 18:40.09 | pawel | 64GB of music and nothing worth listening. |
| 18:45.08 | pawel | When the automatic controls failed in a Mercury space capsule, for example, U.S. astronaut Gordon Cooper was ordered by NASA to take amphetamines to keep his reflexes at their sharpest for working the manual controls of his spacecraft during his reentry to the earth. |
| 18:45.57 | pawel | hyh. |
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| 18:54.27 | pawel | ok. |
| 18:54.40 | pawel | time to leave irc. |
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| 18:57.36 | Liam | any one able to give me some feedback on what they think of fedora core 4 |
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| 20:36.03 | JAV | aka doing the same with a costume |
| 20:39.55 | mozrat | JAV! |
| 20:40.04 | JAV | hello mozrat |
| 20:40.16 | mozrat | heloo Leeds |
| 20:40.20 | mozrat | how are you both? |
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| 20:41.02 | JAV | quite well, apart from not being in fosdem |
| 20:42.03 | Cope | hello |
| 20:42.05 | angelchild | my parents just took me out for a curry :D |
| 20:42.06 | angelchild | \o/ |
| 20:42.09 | Cope | yay |
| 20:42.14 | Cope | angelchild: how did watford do? |
| 20:43.21 | mozrat | JAV, hard luck - I'm not there either |
| 20:43.25 | mozrat | I think i will go next year |
| 20:43.43 | mozrat | Hi Cope, angelchild |
| 20:43.57 | Cope | JAV: nor i |
| 20:44.08 | Cope | angelchild: ah, I see you beat cardiff 2-1 |
| 20:44.17 | Cope | we lost 2-1 to Wycombe scum |
| 20:44.28 | angelchild | yeah :D somewhat lucily in the end, though it was a very very one sided game (in favour of watford) |
| 20:44.36 | Cope | angelchild: did you go today? |
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| 20:44.47 | angelchild | heh, I see Sir Tommy Mooney scored for wycombe xD |
| 20:44.51 | mozrat | re boudiccas |
| 20:44.59 | angelchild | cope: yeah, that's why I'm home :) |
| 20:45.05 | Cope | angelchild: indeed, and was suitably provocative before the oxford fans |
| 20:45.17 | Cope | was a superb goal though, to be fair to the fat bald bastard |
| 20:45.24 | angelchild | cardiff managed to hit the post twice in the final seconds :) |
| 20:45.36 | angelchild | though they had about 5 goalline clearances in the first half |
| 20:45.41 | Cope | cor! |
| 20:45.52 | angelchild | (it really was very one sided) |
| 20:46.10 | boudiccas | can anyone help me configure my graphics card by helping me find out what it is? |
| 20:46.34 | mozrat | boudiccas: lspci ? |
| 20:46.54 | boudiccas | mozrat; command not found |
| 20:47.02 | mozrat | boudiccas: maybe you need to be root |
| 20:47.24 | boudiccas | ./lspci works |
| 20:48.03 | mozrat | there should be a line about your graphics card |
| 20:48.17 | mozrat | mine unfortunately says |
| 20:48.18 | mozrat | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 20:48.42 | boudiccas | mozrat; sis315 ty :) |
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| 20:49.59 | angelchild | Cope: you went to the game then I guess? :) |
| 20:50.24 | angelchild | and STM is fun, there was one game where he punched a swindon player in in the face clear view of the ref (and knew it xD) |
| 20:50.33 | Cope | angelchild: was at wycombe, and was all ticket, and I'm unwell, so I had to cope with the radio commentary |
| 20:50.46 | Cope | yeah he's quality |
| 20:50.47 | angelchild | ahh.. I see |
| 20:51.03 | Cope | next sat is brizzle |
| 20:51.08 | Cope | 3 points desperately needed |
| 20:51.11 | mozrat | wow arsenal lost again |
| 20:51.12 | angelchild | next sat is derby xD |
| 20:51.27 | Cope | angelchild: watford for promotion! |
| 20:51.58 | angelchild | best bit |
| 20:52.09 | angelchild | Sheff Utd 2 - 3 QPR |
| 20:52.26 | angelchild | gap cardiff->Watford = 15 points, Watford->Sheff Utd = 7 points xD |
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| 20:54.14 | Cope | yeah baby! |
| 20:54.37 | angelchild | xD |
| 20:56.03 | mozrat | boudiccas: are you trying to get Xgl working by any chance? |
| 20:56.56 | boudiccas | mozrat; no, i've just rebuilt my machine after getting it repaired so i had teconfigure stuff again |
| 20:57.04 | boudiccas | *to reconfigure |
| 20:58.01 | mozrat | right |
| 21:02.02 | Cope | :( |
| 21:02.37 | angelchild | :o |
| 22:14.30 | skugg | pawel: not at all. it's great! |
| 22:17.03 | mozrat | hey skugg |
| 22:29.14 | George | moo, moo I say, moo |
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| 22:56.10 | mozrat | hello desmodue |
| 22:58.30 | George | I'm playing civ |
| 22:58.50 | angelchild | s/civ/fire/ |
| 22:58.59 | angelchild | s/fire/with fire/ |
| 23:01.53 | desmodue | hello |
| 23:02.16 | angelchild | hiya |
| 23:04.03 | desmodue | guys i am moving to london |
| 23:04.12 | Blapto | Hi |
| 23:04.15 | desmodue | hi |
| 23:04.29 | Blapto | You're in Italy at the moment? |
| 23:04.37 | desmodue | rome |
| 23:04.48 | desmodue | exactly |
| 23:05.06 | Blapto | ok |
| 23:06.42 | desmodue | probably south west of london |
| 23:06.44 | Blapto | Any questions about London? |
| 23:08.08 | desmodue | actually, yes. Which area you would suggest for living (working close to barons court)? |
| 23:08.12 | desmodue | and |
| 23:09.06 | desmodue | is there any event planned for april? |
| 23:09.18 | desmodue | mean gllug event |
| 23:09.35 | Blapto | I don't know about gllug |
| 23:10.16 | skugg | london.pm is first thursday after the first wednesday in each month |
| 23:10.40 | Blapto | Baron's Court, you can live practically anywhere |
| 23:10.53 | Blapto | If it's on the District line (check a tube map) all the better. |
| 23:11.49 | Blapto | If you're wondering how long it would take to get there on the train, go to http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk Barons Court is near Earls Court station |
| 23:12.03 | Cope | depends if you want your own space (ie a flat to yourself) or if you want to live in shared accomodation. |
| 23:12.24 | Cope | Baron's court is near Hammersmith and Earls Court - both good for shared spaces |
| 23:12.40 | Cope | but not cheap for your own accomodation |
| 23:12.54 | Blapto | Why thank you angelchild |
| 23:13.02 | angelchild | :) |
| 23:13.05 | Blapto | www.gumtree.com is a good place to look for shared accomodation |
| 23:13.12 | desmodue | I am moving with my girlfriend and we are looking for an apartment |
| 23:13.14 | Blapto | Any reason you have a fluffy dragon angelchild? |
| 23:13.22 | angelchild | i breed them :) |
| 23:13.30 | desmodue | thanks guys btw. Appreciate your suggestions |
| 23:13.32 | Cope | for own accomodation, depending on budget you probably need to look much further out, on appropriate train/bus lines before it becomes affordable |
| 23:13.37 | Cope | unless you have stacks of cash |
| 23:13.43 | Blapto | gumtree also has houses and flats to rent |
| 23:13.43 | desmodue | nope |
| 23:14.29 | desmodue | we have been wondering around on the net, and found that for a one bed apartment it is never less than 850/900 pm |
| 23:14.47 | Blapto | angelchild, with them? |
| 23:14.54 | Blapto | desmodue, depends where |
| 23:15.03 | Cope | desmodue: hah, you're looking much too close to centre of town |
| 23:15.13 | desmodue | yes, u'r right |
| 23:15.18 | Blapto | If you want to go somewhere like Kilburn you can get a one bedroom flat for about £600/month |
| 23:15.26 | Cope | Blapto: not any more dude |
| 23:15.29 | Cope | Blapto: no way |
| 23:16.01 | Blapto | Cope, hang on a sec. |
| 23:16.06 | Blapto | Actually |
| 23:16.08 | Blapto | You're right |
| 23:16.11 | Blapto | Probably more like £700 |
| 23:16.14 | Cope | desmodue: you need to balance how much you dislike travel |
| 23:16.20 | Cope | Blapto: that would still be very cheap |
| 23:16.39 | Blapto | Cope, a friend is renting near kilburn (about 10 minutes from the station) for £160pw |
| 23:16.58 | Blapto | Get somewhere south of the river on the district line. |
| 23:17.36 | Blapto | angelchild, did you go from southhampton to london just for the weekend? |
| 23:17.39 | desmodue | when i was there working in jan, my gfriend went looking around in clapham, earls court, fullham, shepherd bush... |
| 23:18.15 | Blapto | Clapham and Fulham are probably about the right sort of prices |
| 23:18.21 | desmodue | think she liked fullham best, an earls court.... |
| 23:18.35 | Cope | Blapto: dude |
| 23:18.36 | Blapto | Putney is probably worth thinking about as well |
| 23:18.38 | desmodue | oh thanks, ops... fuLham |
| 23:18.46 | Blapto | Cope? |
| 23:19.21 | Cope | only places south of river on district line are putney and wimbledon, and these are now very trendy, therefore expensive |
| 23:19.37 | mozrat | Renting is crazy expensive |
| 23:19.46 | Blapto | There are some cheapish places in Putney |
| 23:19.47 | desmodue | I am thinking of bringing my Vespa with me.... |
| 23:19.56 | mozrat | desmodue: long ride to the UK :) |
| 23:19.57 | Blapto | Or just northern line to Bank |
| 23:20.02 | desmodue | not this time. |
| 23:20.13 | desmodue | :) but i'd love to drive it to london |
| 23:20.22 | Blapto | And South Wimbledon is cheap |
| 23:20.48 | Blapto | http://www.gumtree.com/london/95/2097495.html £200/week isn't terrible. |
| 23:21.05 | Cope | Blapto: you have some funny standards |
| 23:21.14 | Blapto | Heh |
| 23:21.23 | mozrat | Blapto: Do you rent? |
| 23:21.28 | Blapto | Nonono |
| 23:21.29 | desmodue | no it is around what we can afford (or at least we think we can afford...) |
| 23:21.38 | Blapto | Was looking into it |
| 23:21.41 | Blapto | But I'm still with my parents |
| 23:21.45 | mozrat | Ahh |
| 23:21.46 | Blapto | I'm 18. |
| 23:21.53 | Cope | Blapto: 200 pw is £866.00 pcm |
| 23:21.58 | Cope | plus council tax |
| 23:22.00 | Cope | plus bills |
| 23:22.04 | Blapto | You aren't going to get anywhere decent in London for less than £170pw |
| 23:22.09 | Cope | Blapto: erm |
| 23:22.15 | Cope | you've just admitted your 18 |
| 23:22.19 | Blapto | £150 at a stretch. |
| 23:22.19 | George | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 23:22.28 | Blapto | Not for a flat. |
| 23:22.31 | Cope | I think perhaps some other people might have a touch more experience |
| 23:22.44 | Blapto | Yes, very possibly. |
| 23:22.49 | Blapto | But I have spent some time looking into this. |
| 23:22.51 | desmodue | hi george |
| 23:23.00 | Blapto | George |
| 23:23.55 | George | hi |
| 23:24.23 | Cope | Blapto: yes, I agree, you won't find much / anything in zones 1-4, especially north of river for much less than 170 |
| 23:24.35 | Cope | but south of river, away from tube lines |
| 23:24.40 | Cope | there is cheaper |
| 23:24.45 | Cope | but not for much longer |
| 23:24.47 | Blapto | OK, Mitcham and such |
| 23:24.50 | Cope | no! |
| 23:25.29 | desmodue | I think I will be back there one week in march, and hopefully we will find something nice. Do you have any agencies you'd recommend? |
| 23:25.33 | Blapto | Sydenham? |
| 23:25.34 | Cope | here's an example: |
| 23:25.36 | Cope | £500 pcm part furnished, 1 bedroom apartment |
| 23:25.49 | Blapto | Cope, where? |
| 23:25.52 | Cope | sydenham is quite snooty really |
| 23:26.02 | Blapto | Crystal Palacy area |
| 23:26.05 | Cope | let's see what else we can find |
| 23:26.06 | Blapto | I've never understood that place. |
| 23:26.10 | George | Cope: get a house |
| 23:26.24 | Cope | £650 pcm furnished, 2 bedroom apartment |
| 23:26.30 | Cope | George: I have one, thanks |
| 23:26.39 | Blapto | Cope, where though? |
| 23:26.44 | Cope | I just told you |
| 23:27.08 | Cope | god gives you the nuts but he doesn't crack them for you |
| 23:27.26 | Cope | south of the river, zone 4+, away from tube lines |
| 23:27.30 | Cope | its not rocket science |
| 23:27.38 | George | Cope: is it your parents'? :P |
| 23:27.45 | Cope | George: yes :) |
| 23:28.14 | George | Cope: that doesn't count :P |
| 23:28.17 | Cope | hehe |
| 23:30.00 | George | useless bald headed sausage. |
| 23:30.00 | skugg | moving into zone 2/3 |
| 23:30.00 | Cope | skugg: where do you travel from? |
| 23:30.00 | skugg | stanmore |
| 23:30.00 | Cope | skugg: eww |
| 23:30.00 | skugg | end of jubilee line |
| 23:30.00 | Cope | yeah |
| 23:30.00 | Blapto | St Reatham? |
| 23:30.01 | Cope | Blapto: that has a tube station |
| 23:30.01 | Blapto | No it doesn't? |
| 23:30.23 | Cope | no... not right next door, i suppose |
| 23:30.39 | Blapto | Kennington is the closest, I think |
| 23:31.23 | Blapto | Or Brixton is always nice and cheap :D |
| 23:31.27 | Cope | lol |
| 23:31.31 | Cope | you are teasing me now? |
| 23:31.59 | Blapto | Well, it is on a tube station |
| 23:32.07 | Blapto | But it actually isn't that expensive. |
| 23:32.22 | Cope | well you need to define expensice |
| 23:32.29 | Cope | circa 800 pcm |
| 23:32.36 | Cope | is quite expensive |
| 23:32.38 | Cope | in my view |
| 23:32.58 | Cope | skugg: how long does your journey take? |
| 23:33.14 | Blapto | I'd say you could get somewhere there for about £600pcm |
| 23:33.17 | Cope | skugg: problem with where we work is northern line, which is v.sucky |
| 23:33.27 | Cope | Blapto: you're being silly |
| 23:33.57 | skugg | Cope: about 1h 15m |
| 23:34.03 | Cope | skugg: i very seriously considered living right right close by, and walking |
| 23:34.03 | desmodue | wow |
| 23:34.17 | Cope | skugg: or at least 30 mins walk away |
| 23:34.18 | skugg | that's what I'm after now |
| 23:34.24 | Blapto | http://www.gumtree.com/london/23/4026223.html |
| 23:34.31 | Cope | skugg: yeah, good thinking |
| 23:34.31 | Blapto | Ludlow Thompson - 100pw |
| 23:34.31 | skugg | ~19 min walk, according to journeyplanner |
| 23:34.56 | Cope | Blapto: a) that's a studio, not 1 bed |
| 23:35.10 | skugg | of course, current place is ~84 m2, that place is ~64 m2... |
| 23:35.15 | Blapto | Ah, yes. |
| 23:35.28 | Cope | Blapto: but that is surprisingly cheap |
| 23:35.38 | Cope | Blapto: a rare gem there :) |
| 23:36.22 | skugg | it is my distinct opinion that you get what you pay for... |
| 23:36.23 | Cope | skugg: I travel in from near southampton, and it only takes me 2 hrs ! |
| 23:36.28 | Cope | skugg: indeed |
| 23:36.32 | Blapto | Ludlow have a 1 bed apt for 100pw in kennington |
| 23:36.33 | skugg | something that seems like a bargain rarely aint. |
| 23:36.34 | Blapto | That's bloody cheap |
| 23:36.37 | mozrat | not unusual - desmodue - you better like Tube trains |
| 23:36.47 | Cope | Blapto: it will be revolting, really |
| 23:37.01 | Blapto | Yeah, probably. |
| 23:37.02 | mozrat | wheeee - z00dax |
| 23:37.02 | Blapto | Hi z00dax |
| 23:37.05 | z00dax | 'ello |
| 23:37.10 | z00dax | mozrat, Blapto |
| 23:37.11 | Cope | that is outrageously cheap - makes one very suspicious |
| 23:37.12 | mozrat | how is it? |
| 23:37.43 | z00dax | mozrat, been a good day today - RMS was on his trip - as usual, but apart from that its been excellent |
| 23:37.44 | Blapto | It must have a pack of mormons in the next flat or something equally scary. |
| 23:38.05 | Blapto | Is anyone in here posting from FOSDEM? I'd hope you were all out tonight though. |
| 23:38.11 | Cope | Blapto: for example, I lived in a 'studio apartment' in Kilburn, 3 years ago, that was below market rate, and that was 470 pcm |
| 23:38.30 | z00dax | Blapto, ? |
| 23:38.36 | Cope | so for brixton / kennington to be the same price or less, 3 years later is pretty amazing |
| 23:39.06 | Blapto | z00dax? |
| 23:39.22 | Blapto | Cope, what was wrong with the Kilburn flat? |
| 23:39.34 | z00dax | I did meet wethrin last night over beer - and saw him again today - along with gllug'ers in tow, but went to Gwent in the evening - so didnt met up with them for dinner |
| 23:39.57 | Blapto | Ah, z00dax, you're in FOSDEM, I get it now |
| 23:40.04 | Blapto | Why aren't you out and very drunk? ;) |
| 23:40.05 | Cope | Blapto: was too small; needed more space |
| 23:40.06 | desmodue | mozrat: believe me, if you traveled with public transport in Rome, you LOVE London tube |
| 23:40.32 | mozrat | desmodue: that bad? |
| 23:40.36 | desmodue | more |
| 23:40.37 | Cope | z00dax: gwent? as in south wales? |
| 23:40.51 | z00dax | Blapto, just got into the hotel room a few minutes back - been net starved all day... the WiFi network didnt work at the venue at all today - managed to plugin for a very short 5 min session on wired, but then even that went out |
| 23:40.52 | desmodue | really bad. |
| 23:41.16 | z00dax | Cope, s/gwent/gent/ |
| 23:41.29 | Cope | z00dax: ghent, i think |
| 23:41.58 | Cope | I thought that seemed a bit silly... |
| 23:42.11 | z00dax | http://www.gent.be |
| 23:42.17 | Cope | person in brussels - righto, just popping out to newport, brb |
| 23:42.18 | z00dax | but it seems to also be ghent |
| 23:43.17 | Cope | skugg: is that south african dude who lives 5 mins away still there? |
| 23:43.40 | desmodue | out of curiosity, anyone running Linux on an old iMac G3? |
| 23:44.12 | z00dax | desmodue, there is one person within 5 meters of me, running linux on a iBook G3 |
| 23:44.32 | Cope | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question... :-) |
| 23:44.33 | z00dax | desmodue, another person - maybe 8 - 10 meters away has it on a powerbook g4 |
| 23:44.37 | Cope | </#debian> |
| 23:44.44 | desmodue | debian, right |
| 23:44.45 | z00dax | desmodue, what are you looking for ? |
| 23:45.14 | desmodue | just wondering, I am setting up this iMac for my parents |
| 23:45.31 | desmodue | and tried ubuntu and fedora 4 now running |
| 23:45.33 | Cope | desmodue: does it not have an OS on it? |
| 23:45.54 | desmodue | my aim is leaving this to my parents with some kind of softphone |
| 23:46.34 | desmodue | right now after struggling with openwengo on Ubuntu, I am running kphone on fedora 4 |
| 23:46.39 | Blapto | desmodue, why not OS X? |
| 23:46.50 | Blapto | It's probably simpler to use if they ever want to do anything more. |
| 23:46.55 | desmodue | is it worth it? |
| 23:47.06 | Blapto | It's a nice OS |
| 23:47.12 | Cope | and then removing its engine |
| 23:47.21 | Cope | and replacing it with a botched, home-made one |
| 23:47.45 | Blapto | To be fair, it probably didn't come with OS X to start with, I imagine? |
| 23:47.49 | desmodue | I had OsX running |
| 23:47.50 | Cope | which doesn't quite do what the old one did |
| 23:47.53 | Blapto | Ah |
| 23:47.55 | Blapto | Put it back. |
| 23:48.01 | skugg | Cope: nope. |
| 23:48.12 | z00dax | desmodue, what is the clock speed on that machine and how much ram do you have ? |
| 23:48.13 | Blapto | Seriously, unless your parents are quite computer literate, I'd give them OS X |
| 23:48.20 | Cope | skugg: ah... |
| 23:48.32 | desmodue | 233 mhz 192 mb ram |
| 23:48.40 | z00dax | osx is not going to run on that machine |
| 23:48.45 | skugg | Cope: he went on to work with even bigger, crazier storage. |
| 23:48.51 | Cope | skugg: sweeet |
| 23:48.54 | z00dax | iirc. 10.3 needs 300mhz + |
| 23:49.01 | desmodue | mean i like osx, but i don't have a license |
| 23:49.02 | z00dax | you might get 10.2 running |
| 23:49.06 | Blapto | OS X will run on that, just not very happily, I think. |
| 23:49.10 | desmodue | it was running |
| 23:49.19 | desmodue | skype working |
| 23:49.30 | Cope | desmodue: well, jogging like a very fat person, perspiring heavily |
| 23:49.44 | desmodue | :) |
| 23:49.48 | skugg | osx has become faster with each release on this machine. why would a later version then require a faster machine? |
| 23:50.08 | z00dax | just asked the ibook g3 guy here - and he has 512megs of ram and a 500mhz g3, and osx 10.3 is barely usable on that machine - linux, setup properly, runs much faster |
| 23:50.14 | Cope | skugg: s/require/marketting recommendation/ |
| 23:50.17 | z00dax | faster = more usable |
| 23:50.22 | skugg | (which is more than one can say about a lot of other OSs, i guess) |
| 23:50.48 | Cope | ie "we want to keep selling hardware" so we'll keep up-ing the minimum requirements |
| 23:50.50 | z00dax | skugg, might be a question for apple - 10.4 's min requirements were higher than 10.3's |
| 23:50.59 | Cope | like oracle 10, for example |
| 23:51.06 | Cope | which 'claims' you need min 512M ram |
| 23:51.07 | z00dax | also a lot of the snazzy functionality gets removed / disabled at lower spec's |
| 23:51.09 | desmodue | thing is, if I have to buy a license, I'd rather have linux on it... actually I would anyway |
| 23:51.10 | skugg | z00dax: i suspect it's marketing reasons, as cope says, rather than technical. |
| 23:51.19 | Cope | but is just a setting in the install script that checks |
| 23:51.23 | desmodue | and skype..... don't like it |
| 23:51.30 | z00dax | skugg, well - booting a 10.4 dvd on a g3 - 500mhz cpu fails |
| 23:51.32 | Cope | remove that setting, and you'll be fine with less |
| 23:51.37 | z00dax | so they must have a check pretty high on the boot order |
| 23:52.04 | z00dax | but hey - use Linux :) |
| 23:52.09 | desmodue | right |
| 23:52.09 | Cope | z00dax: not a surprise, but then what do you expect with a closed-source setup |
| 23:52.10 | skugg | z00dax: oh well. |
| 23:52.20 | z00dax | Cope, yup. dont use it! |
| 23:53.09 | Cope | however, unless desmodue had very strong reasons (other than ideological ones) to cripple the machine with linux, I'd have left macos on there for parents |
| 23:53.13 | skugg | z00dax: thanks, but I'd rather live with my close-sourced stuff than muddle through with something that really can't compete just for ideological reasons. especially when work pays the bill ;) |
| 23:53.24 | Cope | skugg: indeed :) |
| 23:53.25 | Cope | lol |
| 23:53.57 | Cope | now me, my requirements for a desktop machine are so minimal, that I do run linux / netbsd on $any_hardware |
| 23:54.12 | Cope | usually because the hardware is shit and old |
| 23:54.27 | skugg | see, i would too if I had to pay for the hardware ;) |
| 23:54.58 | skugg | i *really* couldn't afford to splash out for a 15" powerbook on my own |
| 23:55.03 | Cope | but if i wanted something pretty, reliable, stable, nicely configured and configureable, and with no hacky-headaches, for my parents, I doubt I'd be removing osx |
| 23:56.02 | skugg | i'm kinda annoyed that my parents recently bought a new pc. it would have been much nicer for them to use a mac. (not to mention safer) |
| 23:56.10 | desmodue | Well I have a mixture of ideological reasons |
| 23:56.20 | Cope | skugg: yeah :-/ |
| 23:56.46 | Cope | i did lob ubuntu on a machine for my mum last year though, and she loves it |
| 23:56.55 | Cope | but again that wasn't a fancy new machine |
| 23:57.04 | desmodue | and I had my experience with a powerbook I didn't like it. Beside, I could help them much better with linux than with osx that I don't know so well. |
| 23:57.08 | Cope | not that it wouldn't be good on a fancy new machine |
| 23:57.36 | skugg | i've not really tried any of the linux desktop distroes in a while (i don't have a machine to run them on) |
| 23:57.53 | z00dax | I just run linux since I am a lot more productive there. |
| 23:57.54 | Cope | desmodue: erm, apart from osx not really needing any help; it just works, doesn't break, and has excellent in-built help system |
| 23:58.14 | z00dax | guess other people might like osx more ( I've seen a few dozen osx laptops running during the rms talk this morning ) |
| 23:58.24 | Cope | z00dax: i find it amusing |
| 23:58.35 | Cope | z00dax: that such opensource warriors do use osx |
| 23:58.49 | skugg | it's shiny! |
| 23:58.53 | Cope | skugg: it is! |
| 23:59.28 | Cope | on the occasions I've used osx I've not actually liked it, but I can see why some people do |
| 23:59.36 | skugg | anyway, off to bed now. |
| 23:59.37 | z00dax | there were more apple *book's running than thinkpad's today |
| 23:59.47 | Cope | skugg: goodnight dude |
| 23:59.51 | skugg | i pretty much use the terminal, safari and mail.app. |