| 00:00.36 | Blapto | I'm going wrong slightly |
| 00:00.39 | Blapto | 1.68 x 10E-8(30/5.0E-6) |
| 00:00.50 | Blapto | gives me 1ohm for 30m of copper wire with a 5mm area |
| 00:01.02 | Blapto | Ahhh. |
| 00:01.03 | Blapto | Yeah |
| 00:01.05 | Blapto | that's probably right |
| 00:01.22 | Blapto | I'm an order of magnitude out. |
| 00:01.34 | Blapto | 10ohms for 0.5mm area, 30m length |
| 00:04.53 | wethrin | Foo |
| 00:05.28 | Blapto | Now to fill in a health and safety risk assesment form |
| 00:05.36 | Blapto | Find a reliable way of tethering the whole mess down |
| 00:05.45 | Blapto | and we should be ready for lift off on Thursday. |
| 00:05.49 | cbz | Sit on it |
| 00:06.02 | cbz | Large amoounts of dental floss |
| 00:06.49 | cbz | google knows all |
| 00:06.57 | Blapto | I remember some. |
| 00:07.06 | Blapto | I was thinking twine and duct tape. |
| 00:07.14 | wethrin | Google knows too much :-) |
| 00:07.42 | wethrin | Blapto: Would "adiamus tabernae celeriter! ediserremus in itinere!" be correct? |
| 00:07.49 | cbz | pulsejet? |
| 00:07.52 | wethrin | (Let's go to the pub quickly. We'll explain in detail on the way) |
| 00:08.07 | Blapto | I'd love to build a pulsejet |
| 00:08.09 | Blapto | only I can't weld |
| 00:08.22 | Blapto | wethrin, it looks right |
| 00:08.23 | cbz | The Economist quoted Latin in an article about 6 months back. They had 15 people write in correcting in, every 'correct' version was different |
| 00:08.25 | wethrin | Learn! :) |
| 00:08.29 | cbz | Conclusion, no one knows Latin |
| 00:08.31 | wethrin | heh |
| 00:08.38 | Blapto | Do you want me to run it past a classics teacher at school? |
| 00:08.54 | wethrin | Well, if you don't mind :) |
| 00:09.02 | angelchild | mm, latin |
| 00:09.26 | Blapto | Anyway, I'll start with the smaller less deadly jet engines |
| 00:09.29 | Blapto | and then progress to pulsejets |
| 00:09.31 | wethrin | I'm mainly wondering if 'celeriter' is correct, matching 'adiamus' |
| 00:09.41 | Blapto | and get sidetracked by tesla coils along the way |
| 00:09.55 | Blapto | I rememeber celerissimus being banded about for very quickly wethrin |
| 00:09.59 | wethrin | Also if 'in itinere' is the correct idiom to use - the dictionary offered 'inter viam' as an alternative |
| 00:10.23 | wethrin | Yes, but we only want to go to the pub quickly, not very quickly :) |
| 00:10.42 | Blapto | well, it would follow you could use celerimus |
| 00:10.50 | Blapto | I'd better get some sleep |
| 00:10.53 | wethrin | True... |
| 00:10.54 | Blapto | lots of shopping tomorrow |
| 00:10.57 | wethrin | enjoy! |
| 00:11.07 | Blapto | 200m of wire... camping gas... canister of oxygen... |
| 00:11.12 | Blapto | And some twine. |
| 00:11.15 | Blapto | Oh, and duct tape |
| 00:11.17 | Blapto | and two biros |
| 00:11.20 | Blapto | I'll be sure to post photos. |
| 00:11.34 | Blapto | Actually, better make that 4 biros. |
| 00:11.36 | Blapto | Bye. |
| 00:11.48 | cbz | Aren't less deadly jet engines actually harder to make? |
| 00:11.58 | Blapto | Well, little ones |
| 00:12.00 | Blapto | you know what I meant |
| 00:12.14 | cbz | What type are you making? |
| 00:12.25 | Blapto | fill a bottle with gas |
| 00:12.32 | Blapto | set fire to it |
| 00:12.36 | cbz | Heh. |
| 00:12.44 | Blapto | in a very controlled manner |
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| 00:13.08 | Blapto | well |
| 00:13.10 | Blapto | I say controlled |
| 00:13.21 | Blapto | two lengths of twine between two pillars |
| 00:13.28 | Blapto | threaded through 4 biros |
| 00:13.29 | cbz | Sounds like a recipe for a d'oh |
| 00:13.38 | Blapto | biros duct taped to a bottle |
| 00:13.42 | Blapto | with an exhaust |
| 00:13.48 | Blapto | filled with camping gas |
| 00:13.52 | Blapto | spark gap in |
| 00:13.56 | Blapto | retire |
| 00:13.58 | Blapto | click |
| 00:13.59 | Blapto | whoosh |
| 00:14.01 | Blapto | In theory. |
| 00:14.18 | Blapto | I tried it last night with hairspray and it kind of worked |
| 00:14.24 | Blapto | camping gas ought to work a bit better |
| 00:14.54 | bongy | hi guys, i'm enrico from salug (a glug of southern italy)...i'll be in london tommorow...there is somethings that gllug will do in the next days? |
| 00:15.14 | Blapto | There's a thing tomorrow night? |
| 00:15.22 | cbz | Some UKUUG thing? |
| 00:15.28 | Blapto | Or for the sake of accuracy, Tuesday night. |
| 00:15.37 | Blapto | When are you in London? |
| 00:15.43 | wethrin | cbz: UKUUG is in Durham in March |
| 00:15.50 | wethrin | At least the spring conference |
| 00:15.55 | Blapto | When's the apparmour bloke talking? |
| 00:16.36 | Blapto | If you don't here from me again, I died happy. |
| 00:16.37 | cbz | bongy: best ask during the day when more people are awake |
| 00:17.16 | cbz | bongy: there's a Lonix meet on Wednesday also |
| 00:17.28 | bongy | i will not have my computer...well i'll try to find some internet access |
| 00:17.35 | bongy | cbz where is the meeting? |
| 00:17.37 | cbz | bongy: http://www.lonix.org.uk/cgi-bin/Lonix?CODE=searchMeeting&CURRENT=YES |
| 00:18.16 | bongy | what appen in meetings? |
| 00:19.05 | cbz | socialising, talking etc. It's as technical as you want it to be. |
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| 00:23.29 | bongy | thank you cbz...see you at meeting...maybe...good night |
| 00:24.38 | cbz | nite |
| 00:32.29 | Leeds | foo |
| 00:32.40 | wethrin | bar |
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| 03:12.21 | JAV | http://www.shomer-tec.com/site/product.cfm?id=99887213-F553-E130-7F2BE5BED6A1828B |
| 03:15.32 | LeedsHK | dude, go to bed! |
| 03:19.32 | JAV | bah, it's only.. 4:19?? |
| 03:22.49 | JAV | ok, you're right. see you .. later :) |
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| 07:52.51 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 07:56.22 | morsing | Anyone here? |
| 07:56.35 | morsing | What's the correct way to spell no-one? |
| 07:58.42 | SlayerXP | like that |
| 07:59.01 | morsing | Cool |
| 07:59.06 | morsing | Is it plural? |
| 07:59.30 | morsing | No it isn't! |
| 07:59.36 | morsing | That would be stupid |
| 08:00.37 | morsing | SlayerXP: How are you? |
| 08:00.43 | SlayerXP | fine, thanks |
| 08:00.48 | SlayerXP | bit chilly here |
| 08:00.57 | SlayerXP | -20.1c |
| 08:02.11 | LeedsHK | chilly here too... 15C or so |
| 08:02.27 | morsing | Mmm... Took 20 minutes to get my "new" car running this morning because of the cold |
| 08:02.40 | morsing | It's about 0 here |
| 08:02.48 | morsing | LeedsHK: Send some of it over |
| 08:02.57 | LeedsHK | there's an official cold weather warning out! |
| 08:03.03 | morsing | :-) |
| 08:03.11 | LeedsHK | "IF YOU MUST GO OUT, PLEASE AVOID PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO WINTRY WINDS." |
| 08:03.25 | LeedsHK | it's 16C and they're worried about exposure to wintry winds ;-) |
| 08:04.27 | morsing | Ha ha |
| 08:04.44 | LeedsHK | also, 94% humidity |
| 08:05.00 | SlayerXP | i shall be plugging my car in to the mains I think |
| 08:05.58 | morsing | Mmm... Children# |
| 08:06.12 | LeedsHK | surely no-one is the opposite of plural? |
| 08:10.59 | morsing | LeedsHK: You're right |
| 08:11.05 | morsing | It a singleton |
| 08:11.14 | morsing | LeedsHK: You coming for breakfast? |
| 08:14.16 | LeedsHK | I would say it is one less than a singleton |
| 08:14.25 | LeedsHK | and no, I've had breakfast and lunch already, thanks |
| 08:14.38 | mozrat | Good Morning! |
| 08:15.42 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:16.01 | morsing | mozrat: What did you have for breakfast? |
| 08:21.38 | mozrat | peanut butter and toast! |
| 08:22.25 | mozrat | and Xgl |
| 08:22.33 | mozrat | Xgl for breakfast. MMmmm |
| 08:23.24 | LeedsHK | I love the smell of 3D in the morning |
| 08:23.36 | mozrat | smells like... eye candy |
| 08:29.35 | LeedsHK | personally, I love the smell of toast in the morning, but it doesn't quote as well |
| 08:30.16 | mozrat | Not quite so "war-y" |
| 08:30.29 | mozrat | That is a good film - I should watch it again sometime |
| 08:30.40 | mozrat | not as good as "A bridge too far" though |
| 08:31.35 | LeedsHK | I've actually never seen either of them |
| 08:32.05 | mozrat | ABTF is great - star studded in fact |
| 08:33.09 | mozrat | I actually studied the Battle of Arnhem and went to the 50th anniversary drop |
| 08:33.12 | mozrat | in 1994 |
| 08:34.02 | LeedsHK | cool |
| 08:42.45 | Cope | moin |
| 08:46.40 | mozrat | hey Copes |
| 08:46.46 | mozrat | erm, both of yo |
| 08:46.51 | mozrat | s/yo/you/ |
| 08:48.39 | Cope | :) |
| 08:48.53 | LeedsHK | yo |
| 08:49.21 | Cope | sushi |
| 08:50.09 | LeedsHK | nah, I had dumplings last night and curry for lunch - just want something like pizza for dinner |
| 09:04.45 | Cope | rhowe: how did you get on with Jatinder |
| 09:08.43 | morsing | Mmmm... Sushi |
| 09:11.36 | LeedsHK | http://www.sullivans.com.au/homes.htm is not where I'm staying in Sydney |
| 09:12.15 | LeedsHK | heh, 3 of the top six results on google for "slug" are LUGs :-) |
| 09:13.14 | morsing | Cool |
| 09:13.16 | Cope | heh |
| 09:16.34 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:17.02 | LeedsHK | the Sydney LUG isn't meeting while I'm there... |
| 09:17.13 | morsing | http://www.hay-on-wye.co.uk/ |
| 09:18.53 | Cope | http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/herogen/anticlone.shtml |
| 09:19.20 | Cope | http://www.unison.ie/ |
| 09:19.30 | Cope | http://www.earpollution.com/ |
| 09:19.54 | LeedsHK | Cope: trying to make a point, are we? |
| 09:20.19 | Cope | you're joining in? |
| 09:22.01 | LeedsHK | hmm... 3000 people @ FOSDEM apparently |
| 09:22.39 | George | heh |
| 09:22.50 | Cope | 'to morsing' |
| 09:22.53 | Cope | viz: |
| 09:23.02 | Cope | --- src/editor.c 13 Jun 2005 21:38:14 -0000 1.13 |
| 09:23.02 | Cope | +++ src/editor.c 4 Feb 2006 18:41:59 -0000 |
| 09:23.02 | Cope | @@ -454,7 +454,7 @@ |
| 09:23.02 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.02 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
| 09:23.16 | LeedsHK | 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
| 09:23.18 | LeedsHK | 26 27 28 |
| 09:23.56 | George | I really ought to be doing work |
| 09:24.04 | Cope | likewise |
| 09:25.02 | LeedsHK | ditto |
| 09:25.42 | Cope | ~morsing |
| 09:25.45 | ibot | morsing is probably a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. capable of having bee-wax applied to the plucking end, or mozrat |
| 09:25.46 | morsing | Yes?! |
| 09:26.22 | George | ~george |
| 09:26.24 | ibot | hmm... george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 09:26.24 | Cope | ibot morsing is also verb: to paste random crap devoid of context |
| 09:26.25 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 09:26.36 | morsing | ~morsing |
| 09:26.37 | ibot | methinks morsing is a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. capable of having bee-wax applied to the plucking end, or mozrat, or verb: to paste random crap devoid of context |
| 09:26.42 | Cope | hug morsing |
| 09:26.46 | Cope | gah |
| 09:26.47 | mozrat | Can I please share with you a new ticket that has just come into my mailbox |
| 09:26.48 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 09:26.50 | mozrat | "DHCP Server is 10.198.137.3 I think this is AD server." |
| 09:26.59 | mozrat | that is the end of the problem statement |
| 09:27.04 | Cope | nice |
| 09:27.08 | SlayerXP | mozrat: I have a reply |
| 09:27.22 | morsing | I've run into something stupid... |
| 09:27.23 | George | ibot: cope is also a verb: to spew random crap to the channel devoid of any meaning or logical progression |
| 09:27.24 | ibot | George: okay |
| 09:27.24 | SlayerXP | # Roses are red, violets are blue |
| 09:27.27 | SlayerXP | # What in Bob's name, |
| 09:27.30 | SlayerXP | # Is wrong with you? |
| 09:28.23 | Cope | ~cope |
| 09:28.24 | ibot | [cope] rocks, or clearly becoming a girl, or religion, or a 15 year old, or alex |
| 09:29.12 | George | rofl |
| 09:29.17 | Cope | ibot no cope is <action> frowns, "I'm coping fine thank you". |
| 09:29.18 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 09:29.23 | George | ibot: cope |
| 09:29.25 | ibot | ACTION frowns, "I'm coping fine thank you". |
| 09:29.45 | George | ibot: no, cope is <action> attacks Cope with a large flaming pitchfork |
| 09:29.47 | ibot | George: okay |
| 09:29.47 | Cope | ibot no cope is <action> frowns, "I'm coping fine thank you." |
| 09:29.48 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 09:29.52 | George | bollcoks |
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| 09:30.10 | George | ibot: large LeedsHK |
| 09:30.12 | Leeds | ah, there I am |
| 09:30.15 | George | ibot: lart LeedsHK |
| 09:30.26 | George | that's lame. |
| 09:31.52 | Leeds | is it my imagination, or did I see something from Dean saying the talk this evening is on? |
| 09:32.55 | mozrat | SlayerXP: nice :) |
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| 09:34.49 | Leeds | you may be right... |
| 09:35.17 | George | Leeds: has it been confirmed? |
| 09:35.41 | Leeds | he confirmed it on his blog, and he sent out mail about 30 seconds ago |
| 09:35.59 | George | ah |
| 09:36.01 | George | just received it |
| 09:36.37 | Leeds | morsing: oops... could be worse - at SCO, someone quit about a week before we all got laid (and paid) off |
| 09:37.27 | George | http://www.metatheme.org/ |
| 09:37.29 | George | funkiness |
| 09:41.13 | morsing | Leeds: My manager demands that I stay for another 6 weeks though so I might be able to fix it! |
| 09:41.26 | Leeds | on what basis is that demand? |
| 09:41.35 | morsing | Leeds: How's that worse? It's quite bad :-( |
| 09:41.52 | morsing | Leeds: That I have 3 months notice according to my contract |
| 09:42.46 | Leeds | morsing: he could have stayed another week, been equally looking for work, not had quitting on his record, and got a pretty significant payment |
| 09:43.04 | Leeds | ah, you're still trying to get away with less than full notice? |
| 09:44.06 | morsing | Leeds: YES! Not trying... I will not be here! |
| 09:44.22 | morsing | Leeds: Like £9000? |
| 09:44.37 | Leeds | that sort of figure, yes |
| 09:44.40 | morsing | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmasters/105272962/ |
| 09:48.17 | Leeds | I would agree |
| 09:49.35 | George | hrmm |
| 09:49.41 | George | time to install globulation2 and see what it's like |
| 09:50.45 | George | I think... I'm addicted to Civ |
| 09:51.42 | Leeds | it's a recognised medical problem, yes |
| 09:51.51 | morsing | They replaced Shirley with a much better model :-D |
| 09:51.59 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 09:52.08 | Leeds | shirley you can't be serious? |
| 09:52.21 | morsing | :-D |
| 09:52.47 | George | shirley? |
| 09:52.51 | George | 'oo? |
| 09:53.34 | Leeds | I think shirley already went home... |
| 09:53.52 | morsing | Leeds: Shirley left a few weeks ago |
| 09:54.04 | Leeds | no she didn't - I spoke to her this afternoon! |
| 09:54.10 | George | who in smeg's name is shirley? |
| 09:54.38 | Leeds | http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/newphotos/sorted/HK/picture93.html - the one with the scarf |
| 09:56.13 | morsing | George: Shirley used to bring the mail around |
| 09:56.21 | morsing | We were sad when she left |
| 09:56.25 | morsing | Not anymore :-D |
| 09:56.29 | Leeds | Jackie is the one with the yin/yang Mickey Mouse badge |
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| 09:57.44 | Leeds | cbz: good evening |
| 09:58.17 | morsing | cbz! |
| 09:59.14 | cbz | hello. |
| 10:21.49 | Leeds | it's pissing it down out there! |
| 10:22.00 | wethrin | sunny here |
| 10:22.14 | Leeds | might get as low as 10C overnight! |
| 10:23.00 | wethrin | shocking |
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| 10:35.14 | wethrin | Leeds: now's your chance! |
| 10:35.23 | Cope | Leeds: help! |
| 10:35.25 | Leeds | ah-ha! |
| 10:35.28 | Leeds | Cope: what? |
| 10:35.32 | Leeds | kbsingh: so, openfiler? |
| 10:35.48 | Cope | Leeds: reasons why php is evil and I should convince my friend to learn python instead! |
| 10:35.51 | Cope | 1) secuirty |
| 10:35.59 | wethrin | security? |
| 10:36.00 | Cope | 2) php is inconsistent? |
| 10:36.12 | kbsingh | Leeds, hey |
| 10:36.21 | wethrin | Cope: Please elaborate on 'security' |
| 10:36.39 | cbz | In theory php is a good idea, in practice every php app i've seen is a mess of spaghetti html code combined with a mess of php code |
| 10:36.46 | Cope | wethrin: i think you'll find the security record of php/mod_php is pretty horrid |
| 10:37.04 | Leeds | php is a shitty language and a majority of remote security exploits have been within recent memory - that may not be true |
| 10:37.14 | Cope | and according to several reports i've read some stupidly silly number of compromises were due to php |
| 10:37.37 | Leeds | often in off-the-shelf packages, rather than because php hands you a large gun and instructions on how to shoot yourself |
| 10:37.52 | wethrin | Cope: Due to PHP, or due to horridly-coded PHP? |
| 10:38.05 | Leeds | kbsingh: so, openfiler... version 2 coming? suitable for a home fileserver? |
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| 10:38.35 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 10:38.42 | stephanb2 | morsing! |
| 10:38.51 | Cope | wethrin: both |
| 10:38.58 | wethrin | Hm |
| 10:38.58 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:39.06 | Leeds | most of the compromises come from a combination of php handing you a large gun, and off-the-shelf packages then pulling the trigger for you |
| 10:39.08 | wethrin | I don't recall there being security issues with the PHP interpreter itself |
| 10:39.16 | wethrin | With PHP programs, sure.. |
| 10:39.17 | stephanb2 | wethrin! Cope! Leeds! |
| 10:39.24 | wethrin | Hello! |
| 10:39.35 | Leeds | php the interpreter is relatively clean AFAIK... php the language is a large gun pointed at yourself |
| 10:39.47 | wethrin | Well, yes. But so's C |
| 10:39.51 | Leeds | true |
| 10:39.53 | Leeds | use python |
| 10:39.59 | cbz | use ruby |
| 10:40.04 | stephanb2 | use Perl |
| 10:40.06 | wethrin | mod_haskell! |
| 10:40.09 | wethrin | No. Perl sucks |
| 10:40.14 | stephanb2 | Java! |
| 10:40.15 | Leeds | wethrin: sucks less than php |
| 10:40.22 | wethrin | I disagree :) |
| 10:40.26 | cbz | The problem with Perl is Perl weenies. |
| 10:40.31 | stephanb2 | use Jesus! |
| 10:40.43 | wethrin | cbz: That, and the design of the language |
| 10:40.47 | stephanb2 | use Krishna! |
| 10:40.54 | wethrin | weakly-typed languages-- |
| 10:41.02 | Leeds | use Buddha: mod_nirvana |
| 10:41.11 | cbz | You could use it cleanly, but you'd have to be very disciplined, and never use any of the OO bits. |
| 10:41.43 | wethrin | Indeed. And you can write secure PHP code |
| 10:42.20 | cbz | I've never seen a php app that was both secure and a non spaghetti mess |
| 10:42.27 | Leeds | some languages make the dumb things easy and the sane things hard... |
| 10:42.32 | cbz | It probably exists, but i've not seen it. |
| 10:44.53 | Cope | yes |
| 10:45.09 | cbz | |
| 10:49.52 | kbsingh | Leeds, no - just trying to work out a httpd.patch issue ... |
| 10:50.14 | kbsingh | openfiler-2 is coming - should be around the corner actually. ( i should have an iso this week ) |
| 10:50.43 | Leeds | kbsingh: and is it something I would want to play with for a single-user home fileserver? :-) |
| 10:51.03 | Leeds | obviously hugely more capable than I'd need... |
| 10:51.12 | kbsingh | Leeds, sure - as long as you dont mind sharing out volumes on a 'guest' basis - |
| 10:51.31 | kbsingh | if you want auth to work, you need either an ldap / nis / activedir sort of thing |
| 10:51.39 | Leeds | guest should work |
| 10:54.25 | Leeds | I genuinely did just happen to notice your name on the changelog :-) |
| 10:54.44 | kbsingh | :) |
| 10:57.45 | Leeds | hometime! |
| 11:08.15 | mozrat | hey kbsingh |
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| 11:36.50 | morsing | psnl! |
| 11:37.32 | psnl | hello |
| 11:38.26 | Cope | no |
| 11:39.49 | kbsingh | mozrat, hey |
| 11:44.03 | morsing | psnl: Jason is never around |
| 11:45.08 | LeedsHK | I actually got mail from him yesterday, so he is alive |
| 11:47.20 | mozrat | kbsingh: when are these listengnome guys going to make their code available again.. grrr |
| 11:47.50 | morsing | LeedsHK: Still? |
| 11:48.40 | kbsingh | mozrat, dunno - there was s hushed hush conversation about the poor guy @ fosdem |
| 11:48.44 | kbsingh | I am watching that space :) |
| 11:48.53 | kbsingh | mozrat, do you know mmazur |
| 11:49.04 | mozrat | no |
| 11:49.19 | mozrat | kbsingh: the "poor guy" didn't do anything that badly wrong |
| 11:49.21 | mozrat | IMO |
| 11:49.24 | kbsingh | right... ok - let me ping him later at night today, he is one of the only guys likely to have a copy |
| 11:49.41 | kbsingh | mozrat, yeah - he got hit a bit too harsh i think |
| 11:51.02 | mozrat | kbsingh: I agree - it was a nasty business really. Who is mmazur? |
| 11:51.11 | kbsingh | mozrat, pldlinux pkg master |
| 11:51.18 | mozrat | right |
| 11:51.58 | morsing | What poor guy? |
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| 11:55.28 | wethrin | Umm. What happened about listengnome? |
| 11:56.02 | Erwin | Anyone good with find? I have find . -path somepath -prune -o name filename.txt -print |
| 11:56.13 | Erwin | This is to search for filename.txt except under somepath |
| 11:56.48 | wethrin | Wouldn't you need a not in there somewhere? |
| 11:57.06 | Erwin | However that emits the path itself. Hmm, I may have found something, if I use -prune somepath rather than -prune ./path it works, even if find displays it as ./path |
| 11:57.13 | Erwin | Well, not according to the man page: find . -path './src/emacs' -prune -o -print |
| 12:00.13 | mozrat | kbsingh: I didn't see you say you would hunt for the code - thanks for doing that.. it isn't really a high priority though |
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| 12:19.42 | mozrat | Fuckrs - just went to a website - got a message instructing me to download winfixer and fix my registry should my machine start to behave erratically |
| 12:19.57 | mozrat | 30 seconds later - the browser starts to resize itself and behave strange |
| 12:21.35 | kbsingh | mozrat, using winduhz does that sort of thing |
| 12:22.03 | mozrat | I wonder if winfixer would recognise my wine registry in ~/.wine |
| 12:23.41 | stephanb2 | sounds like winfixer is a worm/ virus/ whatever |
| 12:29.11 | rhowe | winfixer is adware, IIRC |
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| 12:29.30 | rhowe | It also has deceptive advertising |
| 12:30.53 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:20.26 | Cope | rhowe: hello |
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| 13:23.56 | mozrat | http://tinyurl.com/l22ym :( |
| 13:24.17 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:27.28 | ldnblk | hi there cope I am doing fine thanks, figuring how to get to this thingy tonight, and you how are you keeping ? |
| 13:29.44 | Cope | i'm ok |
| 13:31.15 | ldnblk | you still reading that mod ssl documentation ?? |
| 13:31.52 | kbsingh | humm... my lappy has 27 kernels installed in /boot |
| 13:32.18 | George | I have permission to go to the thingy tonight |
| 13:32.58 | kbsingh | George, didnt realise you were in a penitentiary |
| 13:33.08 | wethrin | kbsingh: No, he needs to ask mummy |
| 13:33.45 | cbz | is there a thingy tonight? That italian chap would probably like to know - though i don't expect he'll be back |
| 13:38.04 | Cope | cbz: fotango - there are directions on the perlmongers website |
| 13:38.21 | Cope | ldnblk: nope, finished reading the mod_ssl stuff |
| 13:38.49 | cbz | 'fotango' ? |
| 13:39.01 | cbz | Says something about Thursday the 2nd of March |
| 13:40.03 | Cope | http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/fotango.html |
| 13:40.23 | cbz | http://london.pm.org/meetings/ |
| 13:40.57 | ldnblk | cope does the documentation that you have read go in to configuration details ? |
| 13:42.26 | ldnblk | is there anybody on channel that's built a compiler, that has the time to give me a bit of assistance ? |
| 13:43.05 | wethrin | No (to the first one), but what do you mean by 'build'? Write? Or just compile an existing one? |
| 13:43.59 | ldnblk | wethrin just compile an exsisting one, the info that I have does not really explain it all that clearly |
| 13:44.30 | ldnblk | its version 3.2 |
| 13:44.46 | cbz | The gcc stuff on creating compilers is relatively complete. What is your build architecture and what is the target architecture? |
| 13:45.05 | cbz | It's not very different from compiling anything else |
| 13:45.39 | wethrin | George: You're unintelligble enough as it is. You don't need to be ciphered |
| 13:45.43 | kbsingh | http://www.laimbock.com/asterisk/ <-- nice delicious packages for * done by Pattrick |
| 13:45.47 | George | wethrin: you suck |
| 13:46.05 | wethrin | Hm. I've only built it as part of a BSD make world, and it just worked |
| 13:46.37 | kbsingh | wethrin, right - but bsd is ... well... bsd.. |
| 13:47.12 | ldnblk | I am trying to replace the latest version with this version as I am trying to build mplayer .cbz what do you mean by build architect, the target is linux if I understand you correctly |
| 13:47.52 | cbz | So you are building on X86-Linux for X86-Linux? |
| 13:48.03 | ldnblk | yes correct |
| 13:48.42 | ldnblk | I have already upacked from tar, that's as far as I have got with it |
| 13:48.49 | wethrin | BSD++ :) |
| 13:49.21 | cbz | Read the readme file, work out if it needs you to upversion any other bits of the toolchain, compile them and then compile gcc. It's all a case of running ./configure and make these days anyway |
| 13:50.09 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:50.14 | ldnblk | I have exicuted ./configure&&make |
| 13:50.14 | morsing | 13:45 * George decides to enter the national cipher challenge |
| 13:50.18 | cbz | and? |
| 13:50.22 | ldnblk | what next ? |
| 13:51.02 | cbz | Install it somewhere (preferably somewhere other than your main system path) ./configure --prefix=/usr/local might have been a good idea |
| 13:51.07 | cbz | and then make install |
| 13:51.15 | kbsingh | ldnblk, i thought you were using a managed distro ? |
| 13:51.37 | cbz | Though compiling a new compiler to get a version of mplayer .. i dunno, life is too short |
| 13:51.47 | ldnblk | kbsingh what do you mean managed distro ? |
| 13:52.10 | kbsingh | ldnblk, something which has a package manager ( and is based on something like rpm / deb ) |
| 13:52.57 | ldnblk | cbz I'll try out what you have suggested, do I need to be root ? |
| 13:53.31 | ldnblk | suse kbsingh for now |
| 13:55.54 | cbz | Er yes, but i suggest you hold off and try and solve things in a less drastic manner. |
| 13:56.29 | cbz | but that's just me. Compiling compilers is for the birds. |
| 13:57.53 | kbsingh | cbz, i would love to meet some of these birds you talk about |
| 13:59.41 | Cope | ldnblk: what are you trying to do? what is the actual objective? |
| 14:00.39 | stephanb2 | Cope: ldnblk is trying to be god. tomorrow he will write a boot loader in assembly language |
| 14:00.50 | wethrin | Assembly language? Luxury! |
| 14:00.54 | wethrin | Toggle it in on the front panel |
| 14:01.05 | kbsingh | ooh... mov cx,0x0010 |
| 14:01.13 | kbsingh | mov dx,0x0020 |
| 14:01.17 | kbsingh | add cx,dx |
| 14:01.20 | kbsingh | pop foo |
| 14:01.35 | kbsingh | clr cx |
| 14:02.53 | stephanb2 | http://50ans.imag.fr/images/galerie/Source/T1600-4.jpg |
| 14:04.00 | stephanb2 | the bootloader was on perforated tape |
| 14:05.01 | ldnblk | cbz I have done the configure that has worked out but it is now failing on the install, any ideas as to where I might be going wrong ? |
| 14:05.56 | stephanb2 | ldnblk: would you be tempted by LFS ? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 14:06.15 | mozrat | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4754462.stm << interesting to see a lot of negativity about Windows Vista here |
| 14:06.50 | kbsingh | mozrat, stop posting under assumed names |
| 14:06.52 | ldnblk | stephanb2 if cope uses assembler, I salute him |
| 14:06.57 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:07.09 | cbz | No. |
| 14:07.15 | kbsingh | ldnblk, pretty much everyone doing any system level work - has to muck around with .asm |
| 14:07.30 | cbz | But i suggest that if you need to ask whether you should be root or not you should probably be solving the problem differently. |
| 14:07.59 | mozrat | Should today be known as "Cope appreciation day"? |
| 14:08.40 | Cope | ;) |
| 14:10.16 | SlayerXP | "he steals less than you'd imagine from just looking at him" |
| 14:10.27 | stephanb2 | mozrat: today is shrove tuesday |
| 14:10.42 | stephanb2 | the day Jesus had a pancake |
| 14:11.04 | ldnblk | stephanb2: thanks for that link looking at it now |
| 14:11.04 | kbsingh | stephanb2, with maple syrup ? |
| 14:11.39 | Cope | ldnblk: i have used assembler before, of course |
| 14:11.54 | Cope | ldnblk: anyone who grew up in the 80s with under-powered microcomputers did |
| 14:12.56 | ldnblk | Cope: yeah my first laptop was the amstrad, does anyone remember ? |
| 14:13.12 | stephanb2 | i never did. i asked a friend at uni to write routine for me that i could call from Pascal :-( |
| 14:13.26 | Cope | i had a laptop amstrad |
| 14:13.46 | ldnblk | you lazy bastard stephanb2: |
| 14:15.53 | stephanb2 | that's right. i am so lazy that i choose the linux distro where i can find the maximum amount of apps pre-packaged |
| 14:16.54 | SlayerXP | stephanb2: and you cohse...? |
| 14:16.56 | SlayerXP | chose |
| 14:17.53 | stephanb2 | fedora :-o |
| 14:18.09 | mozrat | 1.. 2.. 3.. |
| 14:18.29 | SlayerXP | stephanb2: your premise and answer are inconsistent |
| 14:18.37 | mozrat | *bingo* |
| 14:18.42 | stephanb2 | 4 i should specify, max amount of apps i'm interested for a desktop |
| 14:18.47 | cbz | heh |
| 14:18.50 | mozrat | (although slightly more restrained than I expected) |
| 14:19.27 | cbz | we spent the first couple of weeks writing a modula2 parser that could take it one answer and then generate 4 variations. Then we took it in turns to do the homework. |
| 14:19.42 | stephanb2 | your feedback is welcome |
| 14:19.43 | SlayerXP | i wrote snakes and ladders in modula 2 |
| 14:21.02 | stephanb2 | as i am scratching my head on building a gnutella zombie box for a friend and i hesitate between DSL and ubuntu |
| 14:21.35 | stephanb2 | so far im very tempted by DSL |
| 14:22.33 | Cope | why not just use debian? |
| 14:22.46 | Cope | what does dsl give you that is different / better? |
| 14:22.58 | Cope | yes, it is small |
| 14:23.02 | Cope | its based on old debian |
| 14:23.30 | cbz | If it works, who cares? It's all just preference |
| 14:23.35 | Cope | sure |
| 14:23.50 | Cope | just curious to know the rationale |
| 14:23.54 | cbz | Lets spend loads of time arguing about distributions, install them all and never do any real work :) |
| 14:24.06 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 14:24.08 | morsing | http://www.marychoc.com/ |
| 14:24.09 | Cope | if I said I was going to roll out a fleet of limo's based on 1980 ford granadas |
| 14:24.24 | cbz | I'd think "Cope is wierd", shrug and move on ;) |
| 14:24.28 | stephanb2 | well actually DSL is not enough to do what we want, and doesn't work so well with debian packages. so we may as well use debian |
| 14:24.42 | stephanb2 | and choose the same window manager as DSL |
| 14:24.42 | Cope | its a valid choice, but i'd expect people to be interested in why |
| 14:24.48 | cbz | Sometimes people need to live their own mistakes. |
| 14:24.54 | Cope | cbz: hehe yes |
| 14:25.22 | cbz | and i think you can go far by assuming that people are just stupid. |
| 14:25.41 | stephanb2 | morsing: not sure i like them mention George W. Bush :-o |
| 14:26.27 | morsing | stephanb2: Have you been there? |
| 14:27.04 | Cope | stephanb2: dsl uses fluxbox, i think |
| 14:27.12 | stephanb2 | morsing: no i didnt go there last time i was in brussels. |
| 14:28.30 | stephanb2 | Cope: any light desktop would do, the machine is a 700MHz PIII. im just thinking that gnome or kde are unnecessary |
| 14:29.15 | cbz | xfce! |
| 14:29.44 | stephanb2 | yes i used xfce on fc1 and it was very neat. |
| 14:29.59 | stephanb2 | also fairly easy to customize |
| 14:30.04 | Cope | stephanb2: i use openbox when I want a light window manager that actually has windows you move around |
| 14:30.12 | stephanb2 | only their file browser was horrid |
| 14:30.15 | Cope | its very simple and neat |
| 14:30.56 | Cope | i haven't used xfce for ages - might install it in a mo for a laugh |
| 14:32.20 | ldnblk | been to that sight stephanb2: and I am still stuck ! |
| 14:32.50 | stephanb2 | ldnblk: linux from scratch ? |
| 14:33.19 | ldnblk | yeah can't seem to find info on building and installing a compiler |
| 14:33.24 | cbz | Kill it |
| 14:33.32 | ldnblk | which is what I am looking to do |
| 14:34.25 | cbz | What version of mplayer are you trying to install? |
| 14:36.18 | ldnblk | mplayer 1.0pre7 is the version that I have. |
| 14:38.38 | cbz | Which version are you trying to compile and install? |
| 14:39.13 | ldnblk | of mplayer or the gcc complier ? |
| 14:41.17 | cbz | mplayer |
| 14:41.24 | cbz | 1.0pre7 ? |
| 14:41.39 | cbz | And there is no version on rpmfind that you can use with suse? |
| 14:44.12 | ldnblk | yeah that's the one cbz, with regards to rpm find if there is an application in suse l am not aware of it |
| 14:45.45 | George | sausages! |
| 14:45.56 | kbsingh | George, indeed |
| 14:46.16 | cbz | maybe that would be a better way to tackle the problem |
| 14:46.25 | kbsingh | ldnblk, try asking in #opensuse - or ask mozrat - I am quite sure there are pkgs for mplayer |
| 14:47.57 | Cope | ldnblk: or use a supportable distro |
| 14:48.07 | Cope | </SlayerXP> |
| 14:52.35 | kbsingh | mozrat, howse xgl working for you |
| 14:55.06 | stephanb2 | a quick search on pbone shows mplayer rpms for Suse 9.X |
| 14:56.38 | ldnblk | what is pbone |
| 14:57.07 | stephanb2 | http://rpm.pbone.net |
| 15:10.10 | mozrat | kbsingh: good! |
| 15:10.24 | mozrat | but it isn't on my laptop so I'm not using it so much - and it is a little laggy |
| 15:11.15 | mozrat | also - I tried to run a OO.o slideshow - redrawing the screen when you change slides doesn't work |
| 15:11.24 | mozrat | so - there is room for improvement |
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| 15:11.58 | mozrat | ldnblk: you can get ldnblk from the Packman SUSE repository |
| 15:12.03 | mozrat | oh, he left :/ |
| 15:12.09 | mozrat | weee |
| 15:12.20 | mozrat | I mean he could get mplayer from Packman |
| 15:12.52 | stephanb2 | he's left :-o |
| 15:12.59 | mozrat | yes :( |
| 15:13.17 | stephanb2 | i was gonna tell him not to struggle with pbone and dependencies |
| 15:13.26 | stephanb2 | i imagine suse uses apt or yum |
| 15:13.42 | mozrat | There maybe apt versions for it - I wouldn't recommend it |
| 15:14.50 | stephanb2 | yeah wots "wrong" with apt? i know that i switched to yum with fc4. |
| 15:15.46 | mozrat | IMO RPM is a fairly robust system until you start to use 3rd party tools and packages with it |
| 15:17.59 | cbz | It shouldn't matter much with something that is merely a leaf node in the dependancy tree |
| 15:19.03 | kbsingh | mozrat, packman = bad karma |
| 15:19.16 | stephanb2 | i thought that apt and yum were a.sorting out dependencies, b. download, c. install with rpm |
| 15:19.25 | kbsingh | I am trying to get pb and his gang of pkgers over to rpmforge instead |
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| 15:19.57 | kbsingh | mozrat, apt on suse = apt-rpm, which uses the rpm-bindings anyway |
| 15:23.55 | stephanb2 | mozrat: ru saying i shouldn't use yum and go back sorting out dependencies by hand ? |
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| 15:27.26 | stephanb2 | angelchild! |
| 15:27.28 | cbz | Sorting dependancies by hand is fucked. |
| 15:27.31 | angelchild | stephanb2! |
| 15:28.29 | kbsingh | stephanb2, if you have a rpmdb and have it setup correctly, updated - then rpm --aid helps, but usually using a package manger is the way to go |
| 15:28.37 | stephanb2 | did u get your results from the "weird" OS lecturer ? |
| 15:29.03 | kbsingh | ? |
| 15:29.17 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 15:29.23 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 15:29.27 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 15:29.34 | morsing | :-) |
| 15:30.09 | stephanb2 | kbsingh: my method is a.apt or yum, if tha fails b. install binary rpms by hand, if those dont exist c. compile |
| 15:33.12 | kbsingh | stephanb2, if they dont exist - you should build rpms rather than compile and install that way |
| 15:33.48 | stephanb2 | yes i always said i would learn to do that |
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| 15:34.53 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 15:35.29 | cbz | Just compile and install using stow, it's lower energy |
| 15:35.57 | kbsingh | whats stow ? |
| 15:36.59 | cbz | http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/stow.html |
| 15:38.09 | kbsingh | errr. pass |
| 15:39.50 | puckman | kbsingh: what is bad karma? |
| 15:40.25 | kbsingh | puckman, packman |
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| 15:45.05 | puckman | why is puck or packman bad karma? |
| 15:47.13 | morsing | Check it! |
| 15:48.37 | puckman | .... is lost |
| 15:48.40 | puckman | check where? |
| 15:48.59 | morsing | mozrat: Back me up here! |
| 15:49.59 | kbsingh | puckman, http://packman-test.links2linux.org/ |
| 15:50.06 | kbsingh | puckman, checkit! as morsing says |
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| 15:51.14 | puckman | ah |
| 15:51.25 | puckman | sorry, thought it was about me for a second. |
| 15:51.38 | puckman | I will go back to my corner now. |
| 16:00.44 | Cope | afternoon puckman |
| 16:10.01 | puckman | Hey Cope. |
| 16:12.53 | morsing | Cope! |
| 16:15.15 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 16:16.55 | angelchild | woohoo! the senior lecturer finally got around to sending out the email we gave him to everyone \o/. so the first meeting of the southampton university games development society is officially on thursday xD |
| 16:22.24 | George | angelchild: harharharhar |
| 16:23.15 | kbsingh | univ games development ? |
| 16:23.21 | kbsingh | that sounds interesting |
| 16:23.36 | kbsingh | btw, who was that person who's written a book on cross platform gaming ? |
| 16:24.12 | angelchild | it's basically a chance for everyone to get together, someone to give a mediumly long talk on something that interests them then everyone else to do short 5 minute presentations of "this is what I'm doing/have done, isn't it cool?" |
| 16:24.20 | angelchild | then everyone to go down the pub :) |
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| 16:31.21 | mozrat | stephanb2: I have no opinion either way about your dependancy resolution :) You should resolve however you want - but I don't use 3rd party utilities with RPM |
| 16:31.32 | rhowe | Cope! |
| 16:31.43 | rhowe | Cope: Sorry about my lack of contactability.. things are crazy lately |
| 16:31.45 | mozrat | or with deb for that matter but there aren't many times when I can't find the package I want in the debian archive |
| 16:31.51 | mozrat | morsing: I'm backing you up! |
| 16:31.55 | mozrat | umm, who else |
| 16:31.59 | mozrat | hello angelchild, boudiccas |
| 16:32.04 | rhowe | Cope: How's the search going? |
| 16:32.09 | mozrat | George: STFUAD |
| 16:32.12 | angelchild | hi mozrat :) |
| 16:32.17 | mozrat | Cope, I salute you |
| 16:32.21 | mozrat | rhowe: hello |
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| 16:36.25 | mozrat | palindrome! |
| 16:37.33 | IAmAI | Hello. |
| 16:37.39 | IAmAI | Are you going to meeting tonight? |
| 16:38.05 | mozrat | I think so - not 100% decided |
| 16:38.11 | mozrat | probably |
| 16:38.12 | rhowe | ./exec ls -l /usr/share/gnome-applets/gweather/Locations.xml |
| 16:38.23 | rhowe | That's a 18Mb file on my box |
| 16:38.38 | rhowe | 18M of place names and locations, translated into various languages |
| 16:38.42 | IAmAI | I'm not sure how to get there - my company block half of Google's services. |
| 16:38.56 | rhowe | IAmAI: It's a bit of a random walk from Old Street |
| 16:39.15 | IAmAI | This map: http://www.fotango.com/images/map_popup.jpg |
| 16:39.36 | IAmAI | I assume that's it's exact location and not Old Street? |
| 16:39.59 | IAmAI | i.e. it's on Ironmonger Row? |
| 16:41.03 | IAmAI | ? |
| 16:41.34 | mozrat | it is |
| 16:41.39 | IAmAI | Ah. Thanks. |
| 16:41.43 | mozrat | the talk is in the Fotango building |
| 16:41.51 | IAmAI | Cool. |
| 16:42.09 | IAmAI | Are many likely to come? |
| 16:42.31 | mozrat | Dean "pimped" it to GLLUG and London.pm so I think he will get the 20 he was after |
| 16:42.37 | mozrat | hope so anyway |
| 16:43.10 | rhowe | Well, he said there was enough people who expressed interest |
| 16:43.43 | mozrat | thats good |
| 16:44.02 | mozrat | I'm going but avoiding beer afterwards - I need to be home eating pancakes with my daughter tonight |
| 16:44.10 | rhowe | mozrat: kbsingh was asking about the person who wrote a book on cross platform gaming |
| 16:44.26 | mozrat | rhowe: Hmm?? |
| 16:44.33 | mozrat | I don't know who that is |
| 16:44.54 | rhowe | mozrat: I thought it was you? |
| 16:44.59 | IAmAI | I shall come too. I'll just have to waste an hour or two. |
| 16:45.00 | rhowe | mozrat: I guess not :) |
| 16:45.14 | mozrat | rhowe: me who wrote a book? I actually just finished my first book |
| 16:45.23 | mozrat | I'm going to start reading another one tomorrow |
| 16:45.58 | rhowe | mozrat: heh |
| 16:51.13 | skugg | IAmAI: yes. it's on ironmonger row. |
| 16:51.21 | IAmAI | Thanks, skugg. |
| 16:51.23 | skugg | right across the street for ironmonger baths. |
| 16:51.25 | IAmAI | Guess you're going? |
| 16:51.29 | skugg | no, I'm not. |
| 16:51.39 | skugg | i happen to know where it is though. |
| 16:51.41 | IAmAI | OK. |
| 16:52.00 | skugg | i have to pick up my girlfriend's shoes in oxford street ;) |
| 16:52.05 | IAmAI | Ah. |
| 16:53.48 | mozrat | boudiccas: Your blog is syndicated to planet.gllug.org.uk now - it will pick up posts in the next hour or so |
| 16:55.35 | stephanb2 | angelchild: so when i get stuck in my java pinball i can ask for your help? |
| 16:55.54 | angelchild | err, perhaps xD |
| 17:02.53 | stephanb2 | angelchild: don't worry it will take me months to get there. |
| 17:03.09 | stephanb2 | have 2 go now. cu guys l8r. |
| 17:03.11 | angelchild | bye! |
| 17:03.22 | stephanb2 | bye! |
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| 17:05.23 | mozrat | IAmAI: make sure you say Hi tonight - it is so easy for people on IRC not to bother saying "hi" when they actually get in the same room |
| 17:05.38 | IAmAI | I know. |
| 17:05.51 | IAmAI | I have very long hair, so I'm easily reckognisable. |
| 17:06.01 | IAmAI | And I'll probably be wearing a leather trench coar. |
| 17:06.03 | IAmAI | *coat |
| 17:06.07 | IAmAI | So you shouldn't miss me ;) |
| 17:06.10 | mozrat | righto |
| 17:06.20 | mozrat | were you at the LiVES talk? |
| 17:06.29 | IAmAI | No. |
| 17:06.32 | mozrat | k |
| 17:06.45 | IAmAI | That was the last one wasn't it? |
| 17:06.51 | IAmAI | I was at the install fest. |
| 17:06.55 | IAmAI | I went to the Greenman. |
| 17:07.00 | IAmAI | I think it was called... |
| 17:07.38 | IAmAI | What's your real name, Mozrat? |
| 17:09.23 | mozrat | Simon |
| 17:09.34 | IAmAI | Ah cool. |
| 17:09.52 | IAmAI | I'll just shout, "Oi, Simon!", when I get there ;P |
| 17:10.14 | mozrat | no, I was trying to find a photo |
| 17:10.15 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/uploads/200602/gurner.jpg.w180h248.serendipityThumb.jpg |
| 17:10.16 | mozrat | is me |
| 17:10.33 | IAmAI | My god. |
| 17:11.07 | IAmAI | Here's me: http://www.deliasgone.com/vf/terminator%20robot.jpg |
| 17:11.08 | mozrat | oh - that was the wrong link!!! honest mistake |
| 17:11.23 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/uploads/200602/025_25-small.jpg |
| 17:13.29 | IAmAI | Erm... I haven't got an pictures of me... |
| 17:13.47 | IAmAI | But I'm sure I'll be the only one with long hair and a trench coat. |
| 17:13.48 | kbsingh | mozrat, how long back was this picture taken ? |
| 17:13.55 | mozrat | kbsingh: late last year |
| 17:14.04 | kbsingh | IAmAI, you might need to leave the AK47 outside at the reception |
| 17:14.38 | kbsingh | mozrat, hummm nice |
| 17:14.57 | mozrat | kbsingh: I suck at pool |
| 17:15.28 | kbsingh | mozrat, me too |
| 17:16.55 | kbsingh | Cope, is the hidden master |
| 17:17.02 | kbsingh | he plays pool like i play chess |
| 17:17.11 | kbsingh | :)) |
| 17:17.20 | mozrat | lol |
| 17:17.28 | kbsingh | snow! |
| 17:17.32 | kbsingh | yaaaa! |
| 17:17.36 | kbsingh | its snowing at the docklands |
| 17:17.42 | wethrin | Bah |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | It's sunny up here |
| 17:18.04 | kbsingh | actually its just the first few stages of snow - the kinds that blows around all over the place |
| 17:18.28 | kbsingh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.19 | wethrin | Go to Oxford Circus or TCR |
| 17:19.45 | IAmAI | TCR? |
| 17:19.58 | kbsingh | wethrin, give me name of a place |
| 17:20.06 | wethrin | Tottenham Court Road |
| 17:20.11 | kbsingh | tcr might be out of the way a bit - OxfSt is walkable |
| 17:20.51 | wethrin | There's the Clachan on Kingly Street (which is a bit off Regent Street) |
| 17:20.56 | skugg | kbsingh: hm. there's a couple, but they'll be a bit on the expensive side |
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| 17:20.57 | wethrin | Or the Windmill :) |
| 17:21.51 | kbsingh | skugg, i dont mind the expensive a bit - the joker i am going to meet heads the international data division at cgey |
| 17:21.56 | kbsingh | he can pay :) |
| 17:22.19 | wethrin | There's one other pub that I just can't remember the name of |
| 17:22.20 | kbsingh | yeah - the windmill was interesting, i wonder if tattoo'd girl will be around again today |
| 17:22.24 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:22.27 | skugg | kbsingh: tried pintsearch.com? |
| 17:22.39 | kbsingh | skugg, trying now |
| 17:24.00 | kbsingh | looks like a mass booked domain |
| 17:24.13 | skugg | huh? |
| 17:24.38 | kbsingh | try it - without the ww. |
| 17:24.39 | kbsingh | www. |
| 17:24.52 | skugg | gah. |
| 17:25.01 | skugg | it's slow as hell too. |
| 17:25.02 | kbsingh | someone's not done his/her vhost properly |
| 17:25.57 | SlayerXP | last night there was a 47c degree difference between my office and outside |
| 17:26.23 | SlayerXP | right now, it's only 33.5c |
| 17:26.27 | skugg | i take it outside was a bit nippy then. |
| 17:26.41 | kbsingh | heh, open the windows in the data center :) |
| 17:26.47 | SlayerXP | -22.1c |
| 17:26.59 | kbsingh | that out to keep them Xeon's cool |
| 17:27.07 | skugg | oh. so pretty hot in the office too then :) |
| 17:27.36 | SlayerXP | now 34.7c difference |
| 17:27.41 | SlayerXP | the sun's just gone down |
| 17:27.51 | SlayerXP | well, 20 mins ago |
| 17:30.54 | kbsingh | humm thanks for the info wethrin + skugg |
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| 17:47.18 | Blapto | Hi |
| 17:47.25 | IAmAI | Hello. |
| 17:48.07 | Blapto | IAmAI, Hi |
| 17:48.11 | Blapto | wethrin, you about? |
| 17:50.21 | IAmAI | Are you going to meeting tonight, Blapto? |
| 17:51.36 | Blapto | No, I'm not |
| 17:51.41 | wethrin | hello? |
| 17:51.47 | Blapto | Hi |
| 17:51.49 | wethrin | Hi |
| 17:51.59 | Blapto | How do you get to and from Durham - Loondon? |
| 17:52.04 | wethrin | GNER |
| 17:52.08 | wethrin | Kings Cross -> Durham |
| 17:52.11 | Blapto | OK |
| 17:52.14 | wethrin | Book early, get a pair of single tickets |
| 17:52.28 | Blapto | Friend's going up for an interview |
| 17:52.36 | wethrin | What subject? |
| 17:52.38 | Blapto | Up on Monday morning, back in the evening |
| 17:52.54 | wethrin | Heh. It's doable, but not entirely pleasant :) |
| 17:53.12 | Blapto | Engineering. |
| 17:53.42 | wethrin | Excellent! |
| 17:53.52 | wethrin | He'll probably see me wandering around the department |
| 17:54.09 | Blapto | She. |
| 17:54.15 | wethrin | Even better! :) |
| 17:54.20 | Blapto | Lovely girl |
| 17:54.24 | Blapto | No scaring her. |
| 17:54.27 | wethrin | Awww |
| 17:54.31 | wethrin | But I'm not really that scary |
| 17:55.11 | Blapto | What college are you in? |
| 17:55.32 | George | who's going to the thing tonight? |
| 17:57.28 | wethrin | Blapto: Ustinov |
| 17:57.36 | wethrin | Which one's she applying to? |
| 17:58.38 | George | mozrat: you're going? |
| 17:58.53 | Blapto | Applied to St Chads, but pooled to St Cuthberts Society |
| 17:59.42 | skugg | i originally read blapto's comment as "no scoring her" |
| 18:01.07 | Blapto | No doing that either! |
| 18:01.14 | Blapto | Seriously, she's very very attractive. |
| 18:01.30 | Blapto | And she's doing engineering at uni... |
| 18:01.38 | Blapto | So, hands off. |
| 18:01.43 | George | does she like sausages? |
| 18:01.53 | Blapto | I've never asked |
| 18:01.58 | rhowe | hm, GBP15k/year for 4Mbit leased line from MCI/Verizon |
| 18:01.58 | George | well, you suck then. |
| 18:02.37 | wethrin | Blapto: Very attractive...Engineering....why hands off? :) |
| 18:02.44 | Blapto | She's mine! |
| 18:02.46 | Blapto | Well, she's not |
| 18:02.50 | wethrin | But you want her? :) |
| 18:02.51 | Blapto | But I'd be very jealous. |
| 18:03.20 | wethrin | heh |
| 18:04.49 | Blapto | Dan, I don't suppose you know anybody who'd be willing to talk about anything newish for an hour at our school do you? |
| 18:04.56 | Blapto | Science society |
| 18:06.08 | rhowe | ibot change 15000 gbp to usd |
| 18:06.10 | wethrin | Umm. Please elaborate a bit more first |
| 18:07.18 | Blapto | Basically, school is in the city (opposite the founders arms) |
| 18:07.24 | Blapto | We've got a 20/30 strong science society. |
| 18:07.40 | Blapto | And we're looking to attract speakers on anything vaguely scientific. |
| 18:08.31 | Blapto | And if it's something that's got a socioeconomic bent, we'll get the headmaster to make it part of the square mile initiative, where we invite less privileged schools to attend. Basically, we can attract decent speakers and other schools can't. |
| 18:08.33 | Blapto | Bye, George |
| 18:08.39 | wethrin | I can't name names, as I don't know them, but try looking through the research pages of the various UCL and Imperial departments, and email people that seem interesting |
| 18:08.54 | Blapto | Ah, good idea, thanks. |
| 18:11.59 | Blapto | Oooh, dual processor intel mac mini |
| 18:14.34 | SlayerXP | "the mac mini: because not only are you dumb enough to buy intel, not only are you dumb enough to buy macs, you're dumb enough to buy a bastard hybrid of the pair of them" |
| 18:16.30 | Blapto | Macs rock. |
| 18:18.29 | wethrin | Blapto: So you're not going to introduce me to this friend of yours when she comes to Durham? :) |
| 18:21.21 | Blapto | wethrin, I'm not going with her |
| 18:21.29 | wethrin | Pah :-P |
| 18:21.34 | Blapto | But I've shown her a photo of you and asked her to say Hi for me |
| 18:21.42 | wethrin | Oh dear. Okay :) |
| 18:31.58 | psnl | wethrin: just so you know, all female engineers are scary |
| 18:33.49 | wethrin | They're not all scary |
| 18:38.25 | psnl | example? |
| 18:39.37 | Blapto | Lcuy. |
| 18:39.39 | Blapto | Lucy. |
| 18:39.48 | wethrin | Um....there's a fairly non-scary Scottish 4th year engineer |
| 18:44.04 | psnl | who? |
| 18:44.37 | psnl | I thought you were talking about wide-load there |
| 18:44.48 | psnl | or that girl on the trian |
| 18:58.30 | Cope | evening |
| 18:58.47 | Cope | nice one |
| 18:59.18 | Cope | SlayerXP: the funniest or should I say stupidist thing I saw was the notion of 'mac-mini-colo' |
| 19:00.08 | Cope | "yes, buy a shit, slow, machine, with only one disk, for lots of money, and put it in a datacenter" |
| 19:17.44 | boudicca | mozrat; you awake ? :) |
| 19:18.29 | boudicca | ibot wake mozrat |
| 19:18.30 | ibot | mozrat: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 19:24.56 | Cope | 12 poudns an hour sounds low for a contract |
| 19:25.00 | Cope | doesn't it? |
| 19:39.20 | wethrin | Depends on the skillset involved |
| 19:39.49 | wethrin | psnl: "that girl on the train"? |
| 19:40.01 | wethrin | psnl: I also don't remember her name. But she's non-scary |
| 19:40.58 | psnl | wethrin: on the way back from edinburgh |
| 19:41.04 | wethrin | psnl: She wasn't an Engineer |
| 19:41.36 | psnl | ok, cool |
| 19:41.45 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 19:42.11 | wethrin | hi Cope |
| 19:43.46 | Cope | hello |
| 19:47.20 | Cope | oh |
| 19:47.33 | wethrin | Sorry |
| 19:47.58 | Cope | :( |
| 19:50.19 | Cope | i really really don't see how my date of birth is remotely relevant to my ability to do a job |
| 19:50.25 | Cope | therefore i don't put it on my cv |
| 19:53.01 | wethrin | Age discrimination :) |
| 19:53.40 | Cope | well yes |
| 19:54.54 | wethrin | bye! |
| 20:04.30 | Cope | tara |
| 20:29.09 | Blapto | More than one boudicca? |
| 21:09.06 | mozrat | good evening |
| 21:10.39 | mozrat | i just attended a rather excellent lecture on apparmo(u)r |
| 21:10.51 | mozrat | it was v. good |
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| 21:52.09 | wako_ | hello guys! |
| 21:53.36 | corpy | hi |
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| 21:54.41 | wako_ | hello corpy! |
| 21:54.46 | wako_ | how long time! |
| 21:55.02 | z00-mobile | hello |
| 21:55.15 | wako_ | hello z00-mobile! |
| 21:55.17 | z00-mobile | wacko! |
| 21:55.31 | wako_ | no, no wako ;) |
| 21:55.38 | z00-mobile | s/c// |
| 21:56.52 | z00-mobile | sup wak master wako! |
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| 22:57.35 | mozrat | hey guys |
| 23:00.28 | Blapto | Hi |
| 23:03.24 | mozrat | hey |
| 23:04.33 | Blapto | How was the talk? |
| 23:04.47 | mozrat | very good actually... |
| 23:05.00 | mozrat | George, ldnblk and IAmAI were there |
| 23:05.09 | mozrat | AppArmor looks very impressive |
| 23:11.42 | mozrat | oh and rhowe |
| 23:11.48 | mozrat | he was there also |
| 23:15.09 | Blapto | Good good |
| 23:16.46 | George | hi |
| 23:16.47 | George | I got lost |
| 23:17.49 | mozrat | again? |
| 23:22.18 | George | mozrat: just before I got to the meeting, hence why I was 45 minutes late. |
| 23:22.21 | George | mozrat: you know this. |
| 23:23.52 | mozrat | ah |
| 23:24.01 | mozrat | I though you meant afterwards |
| 23:26.19 | Blapto | It's Old Street |
| 23:26.24 | Blapto | How did you get lost going to Old Street? |
| 23:26.39 | mozrat | Blapto: it was tucked away to be fair |
| 23:26.56 | Blapto | Or rather, how did you get 45 minutes lost? |
| 23:27.23 | Blapto | The road's about 700m long |
| 23:28.33 | Blapto | Ah, fine it's a little tucked away I supose |
| 23:34.19 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:34.33 | mozrat | ibot wake puckman |
| 23:34.34 | ibot | puckman: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 23:36.31 | George | shush |
| 23:38.22 | mozrat | shush yourself |
| 23:38.32 | George | mozrat: how were the pancakes? |
| 23:38.40 | mozrat | all... fucking... gone |
| 23:38.45 | George | mozrat: whetherspoons is a fucking weird pub |
| 23:38.51 | mozrat | yeah |
| 23:38.57 | George | mozrat: £3.99 if you want a burger with a drink |
| 23:39.04 | George | mozrat: £5.39 if you just want a burger |
| 23:39.08 | mozrat | eh? |
| 23:39.18 | George | mozrat: had to get a refund then order a drink, and got some money back from the till |
| 23:39.36 | mozrat | thats stupid |
| 23:39.46 | George | yes. yes it is. |
| 23:39.56 | mozrat | did the.... umm.. rather keen member of the audience go to the pub? |
| 23:40.05 | George | mozrat: yes |
| 23:40.11 | mozrat | shouldn't be nasty as he obviously has some condition |
| 23:40.19 | mozrat | but Crispin did well do keep going with him |
| 23:40.20 | George | heh. |
| 23:40.25 | George | :) |
| 23:40.55 | George | was he trying to be funny or helpful? |
| 23:40.56 | George | or some combination of both? |
| 23:40.56 | mozrat | no, I think he was just a mentalist |
| 23:40.59 | George | lovely. |
| 23:41.08 | George | I thought my entry to the room was classic :) |
| 23:41.10 | mozrat | poor guy |
| 23:41.40 | George | hohoho |
| 23:42.44 | mozrat | AppArmo(u)r is nice technology though |
| 23:42.58 | George | boycott it until it's got a decent name |
| 23:43.00 | George | like AppArmour |
| 23:43.05 | mozrat | yes |
| 23:43.33 | George | ldnblk was cool |
| 23:43.38 | George | he's a good guy :) |
| 23:43.39 | mozrat | yeah he is |
| 23:43.46 | George | and was good to meet sladen |
| 23:43.53 | mozrat | who was that? |
| 23:43.59 | George | the ubuntu guy |
| 23:44.04 | mozrat | ah right |
| 23:44.07 | George | he's really good friends with a KDE devel friend of mine |
| 23:44.10 | mozrat | who was the Scots guy behind us? |
| 23:44.12 | George | so I know him indirectly |
| 23:44.18 | George | that was itsbruce |
| 23:44.20 | George | the guy with the treo |
| 23:44.38 | George | he said he thought I'd be less well behaved :D |
| 23:44.55 | mozrat | Thats Bruce! |
| 23:45.05 | George | apparently |
| 23:45.15 | George | and rhowe was next to me |
| 23:45.21 | George | and kicked me when I told him to not use GNOME |
| 23:45.30 | George | when he whined about something in GNOME auto executing |
| 23:47.28 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:47.30 | mozrat | good |
| 23:48.22 | George | why do people always expect me to be loud and abrasive in real life? ;) |
| 23:48.51 | mozrat | NFI |
| 23:50.19 | mozrat | Doesn't take you long to get home then George? |
| 23:50.27 | mozrat | I thought it would take you longer |
| 23:52.36 | mozrat | George: did you notice Crispin used Thunderbird and not Evolution |
| 23:52.43 | mozrat | being a Novell employee and all |
| 23:58.10 | George | mozrat: nope |
| 23:58.16 | George | mozrat: yes, I did notice |
| 23:58.24 | mozrat | Evolution both sucks and blows |
| 23:58.35 | George | never used it |
| 23:58.37 | George | I like kmail |
| 23:58.45 | George | kmail handles my 200000 emails with ease |
| 23:58.59 | mozrat | in one folder? |
| 23:59.07 | mozrat | wethrin: nooo |
| 23:59.11 | George | 49000 is my biggest mail folder |
| 23:59.13 | mozrat | mail folders suck |
| 23:59.17 | George | that's kde-commits mailing list |
| 23:59.21 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:59.23 | wethrin | Maildir! |
| 23:59.28 | George | yes, it's maildir |
| 23:59.28 | mozrat | that is why we have virtual folder and the ability to filter |
| 23:59.41 | mozrat | yeah, I wouldn't recommend mbox |
| 23:59.43 | mozrat | heh |
| 23:59.54 | George | george@iridium ~/Mail $ find . -type f | wc -l |
| 23:59.54 | George | 229760 |
