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00:25.54Georgehey
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07:47.13morsing'morning
07:50.00SlayerXPit is
08:06.16morsingHow are you?
08:06.40SlayerXPgood
08:07.25SlayerXPtrying hard not to gloat
08:21.32morsingSlayerXP: Yeah, I've noticed you find that difficult...
08:21.54SlayerXPthere's a local business development company I'm dealing with
08:22.08SlayerXP2 weeks ago their webmai provider cut them off for 24 hours
08:22.25SlayerXPi said I could build them a mail server quickly and cheaply
08:22.36SlayerXPthey actually have a decent leased line, they just don't host the web and mail on it
08:22.57SlayerXPthey turned me down, and yesterday their ISP cut their mail off again
08:23.25SlayerXPtheir mail has been bouncing from 1pm yesterday until about 25 minutes ago
08:27.59Georgemoo
08:32.31morsingibot slap George e
08:32.32ibotACTION slaps George e, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
08:58.26Copemorning
09:11.03Copehow can one get "find" to find hidden files?
09:12.44SlayerXPhidden files?
09:13.34CopeSlayerXP: yeah - just needed to quote
09:13.39Copefind . -name ".*"
09:13.47SlayerXPyes
09:13.53Copewas trying to find all .htaccess files
09:27.15gregjfind / -name .htaccess
09:27.18gregj;]
09:27.47gregjthere is no such thing as hidden files on unix, it is just convention. using -name '.*' will find also ..
09:28.13gregjor it doesn't
09:28.14gregj:0
09:28.25gregjit might be just that gnu find doesn't
09:49.36Copesolaris find doesn't either
10:05.19wethrinMorning
10:07.55morsingwethrin!
10:08.15wethrinhenrik!
10:08.43morsingbeer
10:13.05wethrinToo early in the morning!
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10:17.57morsingCoffee
10:18.58wethrinYeah
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10:28.07morsingErwin!
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10:57.31kbsingh$TZ greetings
11:03.06wethrinwhatho
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11:08.27wethrinhello djw
11:49.57kbsinghCope, yay!
11:58.12wethrinyay!
12:00.04Cope$company_one is a household name in the online world; they specialise in massive oracle databases and use linux, xen and jboss.
12:02.20Cope$company_two is a fast-growing mobile telecoms company who I already do work for; they specialise in high-end solaris clusters with apache/tomcat and weblogic app and web layers
12:08.40kbsinghcompany_one sounds like a company with an eye on the future
12:08.56Copecompany_one are v.cool
12:08.58kbsinghcompany_two sounds like someone working on keeping legacy stuff running
12:10.50Copecompany_one also said in the interview that they specifically believe in 'giving back' to the open source community
12:13.11Copesysevent(NiceArse)
12:14.06kbsingh(company_one)++
12:14.29Copecompany_one are also hiring more than one person
12:14.52Copeand now the bad news
12:15.05Copecompany_one are not any nearer home that $present_employer
12:15.19Copeso the main reason for leaving is no longer there
12:19.57wethrinAnd company_two is located where?
12:26.03Copewethrin: it isn't fit for humans now
12:32.15GeorgeMOO
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12:33.22murbCope: oh was it widly advertised?
12:35.38Georgemy cleaner doesn't know how to make a bed
12:35.38Georgelol
12:40.46Copemurb: i don't believe so
12:41.00Copemurb: i was put forward by an agency
12:55.18SlayerXPJINGLES BELLS COPE, HE SMELLS
12:55.20SlayerXPI mean, hi!
13:01.52Copehehe
13:02.26SlayerXPi'm 11 away from my 1000th greylist tuple in under 7 days
13:03.05kbsinghSlayerXP, still got that spam trapping thing open for testing domains ? I have a few that get a few gazzilion emails
13:03.28SlayerXPsure.
13:03.53SlayerXPdomain name?
13:04.06kbsinghSlayerXP, http://www.karan.org/contact.html send me some details via email
13:04.23kbsinghas to where to point the MX to, i'll reply with the domain and where you can forward the MX to
13:04.45kbsinghs/d the MX/d the emails/
13:06.08SlayerXPkbsingh: "form" on the way
13:11.54kbsinghSlayerXP, will reply once i get home - am semi -swamped with work here at my day-job at the moment
13:11.57kbsinghSlayerXP, thanks
13:12.02SlayerXPnp
13:12.09SlayerXPhope the form is simple enough :)
13:12.48SlayerXP992 greylist tuples...
13:15.05wethrinCope: Ahhha. I think I know the one you mean
13:16.19Copehehe
13:18.57wethrinI hear Camelot might have a vacancy :)
13:25.47CopeI hear they use aix
13:27.22wethrinAIX++
13:29.35cbzaix and pains.
13:30.40mozratmornin
13:35.55kbsinghhey mozrat
13:46.40kbsinghmozrat, btw - which online prices did you check before you left from here ? I got a bunch of kit over from the US in Jan 2006, and it ended up costing me about 35% lower than it would have in the UK
13:47.36SlayerXPi bought opteron kit from penguin computing and imported it
13:47.43SlayerXPcheaper than buying the the UK at the time
13:49.06kbsinghI got myself a stack of hdd's and a bunch of controllers + mobo's etc
13:52.05mozratkbsingh: I checked office depot
13:52.12mozratmy investigations weren't exhaustive
13:52.15kbsinghmozrat, http://zipzoomfly.com
13:52.22kbsinghand newegg.com
13:52.26mozratand I saw some nice electrical stuff in the shop last night
13:52.47kbsinghif you were on the other side of the US, I'd say walkinto a Fry's retail outlet and checkout some of their weekend deals
13:54.50kbsinghhumm.. 400gb hdd's seem to be double the price of a 300gb...
13:55.51morsingbeer
13:56.12kbsinghmorsing, btw, it was me sending those anon sms msgs from Gawd
13:56.26kbsingh( in case you have not worked that out as yet )
13:56.53morsingHow could I work it out? How do you send anonymous messages?
14:00.16kbsinghdepending on how you access the network - you can change the from: to anything.
14:01.21SlayerXP998 greylist tuples....
14:01.57SlayerXPkbsingh: aren't you too busy with work to be IRCing?
14:02.25SlayerXP999
14:02.56SlayerXPwe have a winner!
14:03.19SlayerXP58.231.151.188 wins the 1000th Greylist Tuple Award
14:03.42kbsinghSlayerXP, am also doing stuff on irc :)
14:03.53SlayerXPno revdns, KRNIC ip range.  yes, that'll be ligitimate mail, sure.
14:05.16morsing14:03 < SlayerXP> 58.231.151.188 wins the 1000th Greylist Tuple Award
14:05.40SlayerXPthanks for the review :)
14:27.01cbzAny idea what might cause apt-policy to be inverted in actual use?  
14:27.21SlayerXPhow do you mean?
14:27.58cbzapt-cache policy login has these for the candidate version:
14:28.01cbz<PROTECTED>
14:28.01cbz<PROTECTED>
14:28.12cbzapt-get upgrade will try and download from the second source though.
14:28.37SlayerXPis one a lter version than the other?
14:28.39SlayerXPlater
14:29.30cbzNo, they are exactly the same. the local archive has been created by running apt-get -d upgrade && apt-move update overnight.
14:29.35cbz<PROTECTED>
14:29.35cbz<PROTECTED>
14:29.35cbz<PROTECTED>
14:29.35cbz<PROTECTED>
14:30.05cbzIs there any tracing/verbose output that i can turn on that might help me?
14:30.25SlayerXPi honestly don't know
14:30.30cbzOkay.
15:13.51morsingCheck it!
15:14.02cbzcheck it ?
15:15.01SlayerXPcbz: I shall translate
15:15.23SlayerXP<morsing> Good evening, fair denizens of this domain, I bid you greetings and enquire as to your health.
15:15.29Copeif I have a document root of /local/apache/content/default, and a directory container for /; if I have another directory container for /local/apache/content/default doesn't this just duplicate the / config? If so, which takes precedence? or are  they merged?
15:15.49Copethis is a config I've "inherited" so am looking at it for the first time
15:15.53cbzYers, unfortunately my possession of a job precludes me from 'keeping it real' as it were, and so I am unfamiliar with street argot ;)
15:16.10SlayerXPCope: I see the problem.
15:16.36SlayerXPthe person who decided to use /local needs a bit of a talking to
15:16.43SlayerXPwith a fireaxe, I suggest
15:17.11CopeSlayerXP: its a standard for this client - /local is a separate lun
15:17.53SlayerXPI don't get your explanation actually
15:18.02Copehmm?
15:18.08SlayerXPso localfs: /local/apache/content/default  ->  http://www/
15:18.57Cope/local/apache/content/default is the document root
15:19.31SlayerXPapache uses "first match wins"
15:19.46Coperight
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16:22.10morsingldnblk!
16:23.50ldnblkhi there morsing how ya doing ?
16:23.57morsingFinethank-you
16:24.00morsingYou?
16:24.51ldnblkok having problems trying to get mplayer up and running
16:25.04morsingLinux sucks
16:25.30ldnblkwell if only things worked out of the box
16:25.44ldnblkhow sweet life would be in linux land
16:29.05ldnblkhallo mozrat how ya doing ?
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16:35.36morsingJA!
16:35.39morsingJAV!
16:36.09ldnblkhas anyone seen john online 2day ?
16:36.13JAVit's morsing! :D
16:42.38morsingjohn?
16:44.22ldnblkmorsing: john the baptist !
16:45.27morsingCheck it!
16:46.18ldnblkmorsing: don't you just get the feeling that ldnblk is bored and pissed off because he cannot get mplayer working !???
16:52.04morsingYEs
16:55.46ldnblkmorsing: apart from not seeing john online 2day, how has your day been ??
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16:57.27Georgemoo
16:57.43ldnblkmorsing: can you not get mplayer working either ??
16:58.00ldnblkmoo moo george
16:58.26Georgehey
16:58.48ldnblkdon't you mean hay george ??
16:59.22Copehello George
17:01.36morsingldnblk: Fine but slightly wasted because of the weather
17:01.51morsingldnblk: I can't get any media player working
17:01.58morsingTotem, Xine, mplayer...
17:01.58ldnblkmorsing it is kind of shitty
17:02.04morsingIt is
17:02.18morsingI fixed it on my dad's PC but can't remember how...
17:02.33morsingAll it takes it copying some files and they all three work
17:02.40morsings/files/file/
17:02.49ldnblkmorsing: totem does not work on my machine niether xine
17:03.05ldnblkmorsing: its just nopt my year !
17:03.11morsing!
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17:03.17ldnblkmorsing:not
17:03.19morsingErwin!
17:03.27Georgeldnblk: cows don't eat hay, iirc
17:03.36George:P
17:03.46Georgemorsing: you're a cannibal then
17:03.49GeorgeI eat pigs
17:04.21morsingGeorge: I thought your religion forbid that?
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17:04.48morsinggregj!
17:05.47ldnblkgeorge: you are on form 2day Hay
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17:11.35morsingcbz :-(
17:12.09morsingMmm... Volvo 240
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17:22.50SlayerXPeer from
17:25.04wethrinWhich average? Mean? Median? Mode?
17:25.07wethrinI think we should be told!
17:25.17SlayerXPmean
17:25.47wethrinOh well. So it's better than about half your dinners
17:25.49wethrinThat's not too bad
17:25.57SlayerXPchicken in lemon, orange and honey sauce, with egg frieds rice with spring onions, chilli and peas.
17:26.04wethrinSounds nice
17:26.11SlayerXPi overdid the honey
17:26.16SlayerXPor underdid the lemon
17:26.25wethrinah
17:26.33SlayerXPtoo sweet, basically
17:26.54wethrinfair enough
17:28.12SlayerXPwell, my advert to the list has been mostly unsuccessful.  just 3 people interested in trying me out.
17:36.48wethrinAw well
17:41.28SlayerXPi find it hard to beleive that only 3 people get spammed. :)
17:41.52SlayerXPstill easy enough to arrange....   "do you have a spam problem?"   "nope"   "would you like one?"
17:44.00wethrinBut that would be naughty
17:44.31SlayerXPyes, sadly my white hat is firmly in place
17:44.41SlayerXPit has been grey once and only once
17:45.06wethrinWere you asked to be grey then>
17:45.06wethrin?
17:45.12SlayerXPmmm no
17:45.24wethrinokay
17:45.29SlayerXPI'm not ashamed of what I did though
17:45.33SlayerXPyou're awar eof fotango?
17:45.36wethrinYes
17:45.42wethrinDoesn't half of Gllug work for them? :)
17:45.45SlayerXPyou're aware that I was involved in their startup?
17:45.48wethrinOr at least half of london.pm
17:45.51wethrinNo, I didn't know that
17:46.31SlayerXPi was contracted in as the technical liason between the people developing the website and the peope developing the order fulfillment system
17:46.41SlayerXPi was their temp sysadmin until they found one
17:47.03SlayerXPi also did quite a lot of the backend architecture for the film developing and scanning system
17:47.22SlayerXPi found a major flaw in the website security
17:47.39SlayerXPa trivial perl program could extract username and passwords
17:47.50wethrinoops
17:48.04SlayerXPyes, I was ignored, so I arranged for the site to be compromised
17:48.06morsingbeer
17:48.14wethrinahha
17:48.44SlayerXPnot the smarttest thing I ever did career-wise but it _did_ get the security problem fixed :)
17:48.45CopeHow would you attempt recovery of a corrupted OpenLDAP repository?
17:48.55wethrinRestore from backup
17:49.00Copewell, yes
17:49.00SlayerXPrestore from the backup
17:49.03Copeapart from that :)
17:49.08SlayerXPi can see the problem.
17:49.27Copeits an interview question
17:49.39SlayerXPi should get a t-shirt made with that phrase on :)
17:49.43Copehehe
17:49.57Copei have no idea how to recover a corrupte ldap repositiory
17:50.06Copejfgi springs to mind
17:50.08SlayerXPthen that should be your answer.
17:51.07ErwinCope: I think it uses a Berkeley DB database, so you could try db_recover
17:51.25wethrinIndeed. You can't be expected to know everything; specially if it's something you've not done before. But you need to show you know where you can get information from
17:51.31Copesure
17:51.49Copei just said: i dunno; restore from backup; and use google
17:53.07murbrestore from google.
17:53.14Copehehe
18:19.37Copevery pleasant man
18:21.20psnlCope: what company?
18:32.56Copesecret :)
18:34.02Copem#^https?://([^/:]+)(:[89]083)/idea# || (m#.*((punchout)|(order)|(csvstorage)|(xmlstorage)).*# && s#^(https?)(://([^/:]+)(:[89]083)?)(.*)#$1$2/idea$5#);
18:34.16Copewhat's that? ^^
18:34.23Copewas one of my questions in the interview
18:36.46ErwinA irregular regular expression
18:36.59Erwin(in perl)
18:41.38Copei said:
18:41.50Copeits line noise; not commented and not maintainable.
18:52.05SlayerXPi hope they corrected you
18:53.14SlayerXP"it's"
18:54.06ErwinCan you hear the difference between someone saying "its" and "it's" ?
19:03.59SlayerXPyou mean you can't?
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19:28.26morsingangelchild!
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19:40.16angelchildmorsing!
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19:56.34ldnblkhi there morsing
19:58.23morsingldnblk!
19:59.37ldnblkits nearly the end of the day and yet again nothing achieved e-
19:59.45wethrinyay
20:00.16ldnblkallo wethrin
20:01.59wethrinyar
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20:13.28z00-mobilehello
20:13.44boudiccasz00-mobile; hiyas :)
20:14.07boudiccasspamssain doe =not= store its records in maillog :(
20:14.18boudiccas*spasassain
20:14.26boudiccas*spamassassin
20:14.57boudiccas*does
20:15.11boudiccasdamned keyboard!
20:15.18z00-mobileso where does the log go then?
20:15.26boudiccasno idea!
20:15.40boudiccasdoesn't seem to be keeping any :(
20:16.30boudiccasno idea where/how to tweak it to get it do so out-of-the-box either
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20:20.12z00-mobileTalk to slayerXP
20:20.26boudiccasz00-mobile; k, ty
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21:11.10morsingeye69!
21:19.01eye69Hey morsing
21:23.04morsingeye69: Cool
21:23.10morsingHow did it go?
21:23.15eye69Amnesty, of all places.
21:24.49eye69It went just fine actually. I have all the skills they need.
21:28.56morsingCool
21:28.58eye69They interviewed 7 out of 120 applicants.
21:29.00morsingIn Stockholm?
21:29.03eye69Yep.
21:29.07eye69Sodermalm
21:29.07morsing:-(
21:29.23wethrinWhy :-( ?
21:29.31eye69Why what>
21:29.32eye69?
21:29.45wethrinmorsing's smiley
21:30.01wethrinSo is this a sysadmin job?
21:31.21eye69wethrin: Yep. They have about 10 servers in the office, including member directory, firewall, proxy and such...they use mostly Linux on the serverside, with Windows and Openoffice on the clients.
21:31.36wethrinDoesn't sound too bad
21:31.49eye69Amnesty don't receive government grants, since they don't want to be dependant on governments.
21:32.08wethrinSo it's purely funded by donations?
21:32.42eye69Yes, donations and membership fees.
21:38.13eye69The salary would be quite ok too, although commuting would cost me around 230-240 quid a month.
21:52.24wethrinThat's about what I paid commuting from home to London
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23:02.17Georgehey ldnblk
23:03.09ldnblkhi man how u doing ?
23:04.31Georgejust got back from the west end
23:05.00ldnblkdid u have a good time there ??
23:05.05Georgeyeah
23:05.08Georgewent to see Mary Poppins
23:05.10Georgeit's a damn good production
23:05.13Georgethe set was incredible
23:05.45ldnblkis that a production that is continually sold out ?
23:05.57Georgeno idea
23:06.20ldnblkdid u go with your parents ?
23:06.25Georgeno
23:06.26Georgeschool
23:06.29Georgestill in my suit
23:06.30Georgelol
23:06.45ldnblkthe less of 2 evils :-)
23:06.57Georgeheh
23:08.19ldnblkso have u done your home work yet ? or is it still work in progress ?
23:09.50Georgeme? do homework?
23:11.39ldnblkwell grade A's don't come cheap!
23:12.26wethrinYes they do. *mutters about slipping standards*
23:12.35Georgeldnblk: yeah, they do
23:12.51Georgeldnblk: I've done no work for four years and nothing's been bad so far :)
23:13.18Georgeexcept RS.
23:14.06ldnblkwell thats probrobly sliping standards for u george :-)
23:14.12Georgebah
23:14.20Georgemy grades are worth more than wethrin's
23:14.39angelchildI got 90% in my remaining module from last semester :)
23:14.47angelchild(operating systems)
23:15.01wethrinGeorge: Bollocks
23:15.01Georgeangelchild: yeah, well you're at soton.
23:15.09Georgewethrin: shush.
23:15.13ldnblkbravo angelchild bravo, george here is your role model
23:15.14Georgewethrin: I rock your grades.
23:15.26wethrinNo. Your grades are quite worthless
23:15.27Georgeldnblk: I averaged 91% in my AS modules last year..
23:15.36angelchildASs are easy
23:15.40Georgeangelchild: true
23:15.53Georgeangelchild: doing 7 is slightly more tricky, but still easy
23:16.09angelchildokay, you have the bigger penis
23:16.22Georgenah
23:16.32GeorgeI'll leave that to you angelchild
23:16.39wethrinangelchild: No - that's why George has two large flat-panels
23:16.46angelchildah, I see!
23:16.46Georgewethrin: :D
23:16.52Georgewethrin: dual 20" tfts ROCK
23:17.02wethrinCIJS "penis extension"
23:19.55Georgeangelchild: pervert.
23:19.59Georgewethrin: CIJS?
23:20.07wethrinCan I Just Say
23:20.10wethrin~cijs
23:20.32Georgewethrin: you suck, cock boy
23:20.39Georgetime to get out of my suit
23:28.37ldnblkhi there mozrat, have u been 2 ground zero yet ?
23:32.20ldnblkhello MOTO

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