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`01:32.12`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
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`07:57.12`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`07:57.14`	`morsing`	`Leeds!`
`07:58.37`	`morsing`	`Hello?`
`08:01.51`	`George`	`bleh`
`08:02.08`	`George`	`TOO EARLY`
`08:02.21`	`George`	`thank goodness i only have two lessons today`
`08:02.25`	`George`	`and they start at 10:30`
`08:27.49`	`mozrat`	`Hello`
`08:29.34`	`George`	`hey mozrat`
`08:29.40`	`George`	`mozrat: back on the mainland again? :P`
`08:29.48`	`mozrat`	`George: yes - back in the motherland now`
`08:30.31`	`George`	`ok`
`08:30.34`	`George`	`right gotta dash`
`08:30.39`	`George`	`be back in half an hour`
`08:30.40`	`mozrat`	`have fun`
`08:33.29`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`08:33.38`	`mozrat`	`Hi morsing !`
`08:41.10`	`morsing`	`Excuse me for asking a stupid question but how are SlammerXP and Blapto related?`
`08:42.19`	`mozrat`	`are they?`
`08:44.35`	`morsing`	`What's SlammerXP's name?`
`08:45.17`	`mozrat`	`Mr Martin A Brooks Esq`
`08:46.02`	`morsing`	`06:53 -!- Blapto [n=Martin@brookscity.plus.com] has quit [Read error: 110`
`08:46.06`	`morsing`	`??`
`08:47.23`	`mozrat`	`oh`
`08:47.36`	`mozrat`	`Just a coincidence I think`
`08:48.10`	`morsing`	`So Blapto's name is Martin Brooks?`
`08:49.10`	`mozrat`	`no?`
`08:49.14`	`mozrat`	`His name may be Martin`
`08:51.56`	`mozrat`	`heeeey Leeds!`
`08:51.58`	`mozrat`	`hello there`
`08:52.12`	`mozrat`	`How was Oz?`
`08:52.50`	`Leeds`	`pretty good!`
`08:52.57`	`mozrat`	`Did the wedding go well?`
`08:53.06`	`SlammerXP`	`morning`
`08:53.10`	`mozrat`	`Hey SlammerXP`
`08:53.12`	`Leeds`	`http://bigboy.vmlinuz.org/photos/`
`08:53.25`	`Leeds`	`yes, I am aware that this is yet another place I am posting photos...`
`08:53.36`	`mozrat`	`nice weather!!`
`08:53.53`	`mozrat`	`http://beerandspeech.org/photos/NYC_2006/`
`08:54.15`	`Leeds`	`it was - that day.. it varied, overall, from lovely, "half an hour on a ferry and you're sunburnt" to "grey, damp, only warm"`
`08:54.16`	`mozrat`	`Mine aren't so good :(`
`08:54.33`	`mozrat`	`Bought a cheap camera and it isn't so good in dark conditions`
`08:55.22`	`Leeds`	`I put mine in 'beach mode' for the wedding, since... it was on a beach :-)`
`08:55.38`	`mozrat`	`Fair enough!`
`08:55.51`	`Leeds`	`they do seem to have come out nice`
`08:56.16`	`George`	`back`
`08:56.19`	`Leeds`	`for the record, there was a wedding, and a set of someone else's wedding photos, on that beach that afternoon`
`08:57.26`	`Leeds`	`hmm.. f-spot, huh?`
`08:58.48`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: it's Rockefeller`
`09:00.58`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: I wasn't sure`
`09:01.07`	`mozrat`	`despite having been there :)`
`09:01.23`	`Leeds`	`I only went at about 1am, when it was all closed up and quiet`
`09:03.11`	`SlammerXP`	`the lass int he white is pretty hot`
`09:04.34`	`Leeds`	`SlammerXP: you mean my cousin, the bride?`
`09:04.42`	`SlammerXP`	`apparently.`
`09:04.48`	`Leeds`	`I'll tell her you said that...`
`09:05.08`	`SlammerXP`	`please do`
`09:06.10`	`SlammerXP`	`wow`
`09:06.26`	`SlammerXP`	`the mail cluster processed its 10,000th email last night and it's 11,000th this morning`
`09:09.47`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: I did the ferry during the day - I only had Saturday, until my plane left about 5pm, to sight-see, so I didn't have much time to stop and look at anything`
`09:12.44`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: you mean in NYC?`
`09:13.08`	`mozrat`	`or a ferry in Oz`
`09:14.48`	`Leeds`	`NYC`
`09:15.41`	`Leeds`	`didn't take any photos from the ferry in Oz - just got sunburnt on it :-)`
`09:16.07`	`Leeds`	`oh, and I hate to tell you, but long distance night photos without a very long exposure and very stable tripod-type-thing? Nothing worth seeing...`
`09:16.45`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: yep :)`
`09:17.03`	`mozrat`	`I just dumped them off the camera and straight up to the web quickly`
`09:17.11`	`mozrat`	`I haven't gone through them yet`
`09:17.13`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`09:17.19`	`Leeds`	`you may notice that a couple of mine could do with being rotated...`
`09:17.22`	`Leeds`	`morning morsing`
`09:19.11`	`Leeds`	`and now, the end is near... hometime`
`09:49.19`	`morsing`	`Leeds? :-(`
`10:28.25`	`z00dax`	`morning`
`10:28.31`	`mozrat`	`Hi z00dax`
`10:28.36`	`z00dax`	`hey mozrat`
`10:36.11`	`SlammerXP`	`slow list week this week`
`10:36.52`	`SlammerXP`	`though I think someone needs to investigate Chris Hunter`
`10:38.10`	`morsing`	`z00dax!`
`10:47.22`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: someone should correct his clock`
`10:47.48`	`SlammerXP`	`perhaps he's really emailling from the future`
`10:48.38`	`mozrat`	`maybe :-)`
`10:50.12`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
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`11:36.36`	`stephanb2`	`ni`
`11:38.13`	`wethrin`	`Hm. Rapid-cooled ice has an odd texture`
`12:14.59`	`stephanb2`	`hence the book "in praise of slow"`
`12:19.56`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com)`
`12:20.20`	`Leeds`	`evening all!`
`12:20.33`	`mozrat`	`Hello Leeds`
`12:21.11`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: so, f-spot?`
`12:21.30`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: aii`
`12:21.37`	`mozrat`	`it is quite nice`
`12:22.08`	`Leeds`	`iphoto-ish?`
`12:22.18`	`SlammerXP`	`bored.`
`12:22.32`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: I would say better than iPhoto - although I haven't really played with iPhoto that much`
`12:22.37`	`mozrat`	`the tagging of images is nice`
`12:23.32`	`Leeds`	`I'll have to look at it... ISTR that it had some dependencies which put me off - like GNOME`
`12:23.38`	`mozrat`	`and Mono`
`12:23.51`	`mozrat`	`but it came installed with the distro`
`12:23.57`	`Leeds`	`I already have Mono installed`
`12:23.58`	`mozrat`	`so.. shrug`
`12:24.20`	`SlammerXP`	`slow mail day, slow contracts offered day, slow people-wanting-their-mail-despammed day`
`12:24.22`	`Leeds`	`yeah...`
`12:24.33`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: I like Spam`
`12:24.56`	`Leeds`	`never tasted it`
`12:30.56`	`JAV`	`hello!`
`12:38.33`	`z00dax`	`ibot, convert USD 495.75 to GBP`
`12:42.43`	`wethrin`	`That's not right`
`12:42.50`	`wethrin`	`~change 495.75 USD to GBP`
`12:44.34`	`SlammerXP`	`~change 80000 white anglo-saxon protestants to buddhism`
`12:45.10`	`wethrin`	`ITYM convert :)`
`12:45.32`	`SlammerXP`	`~convert 80000 white anglo-saxon protestants to buddhism`
`12:45.44`	`z00dax`	`so who know something about hos customs works in the uk :)`
`12:45.44`	`SlammerXP`	<ibot> Unknown unit `white'
`12:45.48`	`SlammerXP`	`tsk racism`
`12:45.54`	`SlammerXP`	`z00dax: I know a little`
`12:46.11`	`z00dax`	`SlammerXP, I've got a donated machine from $BigAss 'merican company, sent to me`
`12:46.46`	`z00dax`	`just had a fax from a freight company, asking for my 'customs clearence instructions'`
`12:47.05`	`SlammerXP`	`merkin company or uk company?`
`12:47.16`	`z00dax`	`a company thats everywhere`
`12:47.35`	`z00dax`	`but the box came from the us`
`12:47.36`	`z00dax`	`US`
`12:47.47`	`SlammerXP`	`you least you'll need to pay is 17.% on top of the declared value of the hardware`
`12:47.51`	`SlammerXP`	`17.5%`
`12:48.16`	`SlammerXP`	`i think the figure has changed, but I paid about 22% duty on importing hardware from penguin computing`
`12:48.50`	`z00dax`	`so umm.. i need to cough up 600 odd pounds to get delivery of this`
`12:49.05`	`SlammerXP`	`your freight company will usually bill you for the duty, and you'll often have to pay it before the good are released to you`
`12:49.14`	`z00dax`	`nice of them to also say that they are charging me £10 a day for the stuff to sit in their storage area`
`12:49.23`	`SlammerXP`	`that's fairly normal.`
`12:53.45`	`Leeds`	`see, this is where I get pissed off...`
`12:54.15`	`z00dax`	`can i not pay somehow ?`
`12:54.32`	`SlammerXP`	`yes, you canpay in cash, or by cheque :)`
`12:54.45`	`SlammerXP`	`or credit card, of course.`
`12:54.45`	`z00dax`	`:)`
`12:54.45`	`Leeds`	`it's a gift?`
`12:54.56`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, its a donation ?`
`12:55.01`	`z00dax`	`could we say its a Gift ?`
`12:55.07`	`Leeds`	`are you paying for it?`
`12:55.10`	`z00dax`	`nope`
`12:55.17`	`SlammerXP`	`you're way over the gift value`
`12:55.38`	`Leeds`	`see, to me, you should pay - if at all - on the purchase price`
`12:55.55`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, this is from Sun`
`12:56.03`	`Leeds`	`niagra?`
`12:56.07`	`z00dax`	`you'd think the idiots would ship from one of their local setup's`
`12:56.35`	`Leeds`	`is it a niagra?`
`12:56.47`	`z00dax`	`no, its a x64`
`12:56.59`	`Leeds`	`can I ask who it came from?`
`12:57.15`	`z00dax`	`your friends`
`12:57.22`	`Leeds`	`name? :-)`
`12:58.43`	`Leeds`	`in private, if you prefer...`
`13:00.20`	`Leeds`	`well, you have my permission to tell him from me as a former Janus engineer to sort it out :-)`
`13:00.32`	`z00dax`	`lol`
`13:00.34`	`z00dax`	`ok, willdo`
`13:03.40`	`z00dax`	`the shipping company's official import customer services line is a mobile number!`
`13:04.19`	`Leeds`	`that's a bad sign`
`13:10.43`	`mozrat`	`leeds, http://beerandspeech.org/tmp/fspot/`
`13:11.10`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: nice, thanks`
`13:11.48`	`mozrat`	`The version I have is a bit crashy - but I think they have fixed a lot of it recently`
`13:11.58`	`mozrat`	`and it hasn't crashed on me for a while, now I think of it`
`13:12.22`	`Leeds`	`these your pics?`
`13:12.24`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, from my gallery, yes`
`13:12.31`	`mozrat`	`that is my pooch`
`13:12.54`	`Leeds`	`very cute :-)`
`13:13.04`	`mozrat`	`She is a good doggy`
`13:13.31`	`Leeds`	`that was, of course, why I was asking...`
`13:15.28`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, http://beerandspeech.org/tmp/doggy/ :-)`
`13:15.39`	`mozrat`	`f-spot exports nice and fast :-)`
`13:16.12`	`z00dax`	`i tried f-spot a few weeks back, it pulled in all my pics from the normal place into its own tree... didnt like that much`
`13:16.42`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: really? It doesn't do that for me.. was that part of a distro or did you build it yourself?`
`13:16.57`	`Leeds`	`cat's I'm not so keen on...`
`13:17.03`	`Leeds`	`cats too`
`13:17.07`	`wethrin`	`yay dog!`
`13:17.09`	`wethrin`	`And yay cat!`
`13:17.17`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, part of FC5`
`13:17.22`	`mozrat`	`I prefer dogs myself..`
`13:17.24`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, but i thought it did that anyway ?`
`13:17.30`	`z00dax`	`yeah, dogs ++, cats --`
`13:17.32`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: I wonder if they changed that as a preference`
`13:17.38`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: Mine doesn't AFAIK`
`13:17.45`	`mozrat`	`in fact - it doesn't`
`13:17.48`	`z00dax`	`its something you can set in pref's - i didnt know about it at the time`
`13:18.23`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: do you know which version you were playing with?`
`13:18.46`	`z00dax`	`the one that takes half a year to load`
`13:19.14`	`z00dax`	`0.1.10`
`13:19.25`	`mozrat`	`ok`
`13:19.31`	`Leeds`	`0.1.11 released yesterday :-)`
`13:19.45`	`z00dax`	`ah, maybe re-try in a day or so then`
`13:19.50`	`mozrat`	`mine says 0.1.2 and I've had it for a while..`
`13:20.05`	`mozrat`	`maybe the site is out of date - my version comes packaged with OpenSUSE10`
`13:20.20`	`Leeds`	`I assume 0.1.2, 0.1.3, 0.1.9, 0.1.10, 0.1.111`
`13:20.25`	`Leeds`	`s/1$//`
`13:20.38`	`mozrat`	`oh, duh`
`13:20.42`	`mozrat`	`of course`
`13:20.49`	`mozrat`	`smacks head`
`13:22.08`	`mozrat`	`plus it is integrated with Beagle if you use that`
`13:22.12`	`mozrat`	`which is nice`
`13:22.34`	`Leeds`	`I don't...`
`13:41.37`	`*** join/#gllug gary_ (n=gary@host-84-9-86-191.bulldogdsl.com)`
`13:42.05`	`gary_`	`good afternnon people`
`13:42.55`	`mozrat`	`hi gary_`
`13:43.11`	`Leeds`	`hey gary_`
`13:44.03`	`gary_`	`how's it all going?`
`13:44.17`	`Leeds`	`not bad... you?`
`13:44.47`	`gary_`	`I've had a few health issues, but otherwise not too bad`
`13:45.07`	`gary_`	`had an operation postponed last Weds`
`13:45.30`	`Leeds`	`ugh... nothing too serious, I hope?`
`13:47.17`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, beagle is nice... you know if there is an easy way to get thunderbird email indexed using beagle`
`13:50.06`	`gary_`	`Leeds: Well I've got a head like concrete a lot of internal pressure on my eyes leaving me with blurred, fluctuating vision and i seem to be losing the ability to hear properly`
`13:50.29`	`Leeds`	`ugh, ugh`
`13:50.34`	`gary_`	`all tests done so far have turned up as normal`
`13:50.39`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: I dunno - someone was working on that`
`13:50.48`	`Leeds`	`I don't seem to have enough gnome installed to run f-spot`
`13:51.02`	`gary_`	`except for my hearing, which i apprently have sustained hearing nerve damage`
`13:51.05`	`Leeds`	`gary_: best of luck, anyway`
`13:51.09`	`Leeds`	`ugh ugh ugh`
`13:51.11`	`mozrat`	`gary_: yes, good luck`
`13:51.19`	`gary_`	`thamnks`
`13:53.31`	`Leeds`	`poor guy`
`13:55.09`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`13:55.16`	`mozrat`	`is s/gary/floo/?`
`13:56.12`	`Leeds`	`yeah, I think so`
`13:57.02`	`z00dax`	`also be nice to have a xchat logfile input into beagle`
`13:57.29`	`z00dax`	`i suppose this also means that beagle index's are now another history-that-Govt-agency-can-look-through`
`13:57.34`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: I was thinking that - I was going to rsync my irssi logs to my laptop for beagle`
`13:58.19`	`Leeds`	`battlestar galactica is rather good`
`13:58.36`	`SlammerXP`	`the 2nd series hasn't been as good`
`13:58.46`	`SlammerXP`	`though the last episode is a big improvement`
`13:58.50`	`Leeds`	`I'm still working on the 1st`
`14:00.55`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: I have a lot of PDF files indexed using Beagle - great for searching for functions and error messages etc`
`14:01.29`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, i use google for that :)`
`14:01.39`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`14:01.46`	`z00dax`	`my hdd' on workstation + laptop are choked with VM's`
`14:02.20`	`Leeds`	`VMs?`
`14:02.24`	`z00dax`	`two things I want, thunderbird and xchat index's - that would be good, the Gaim log and filesystem index's are awesome as it is`
`14:02.36`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, loads of Xen and VMware Virtual Machines`
`14:02.43`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`14:03.07`	`z00dax`	`if anyone is interested http://www.karan.org/mock/Blank_Image.tar.gz`
`14:03.35`	`z00dax`	`thats a blank image you can throw under vmplayer, and just install your own os into it, no need for vmware workstation or server to create the Vm`
`14:03.47`	`mozrat`	`cool`
`14:11.21`	`Leeds`	`hmm... my router just rebooted... I wonder why`
`14:27.47`	`morsing`	`Hey - I won a years subscrition to Linux Magazine from FOSDEM!`
`14:27.50`	`morsing`	`:-)`
`14:27.52`	`mozrat`	`yay!`
`14:28.03`	`morsing`	`and mozrat`
`14:28.28`	`SlammerXP`	`morsing: you have my sympathies.`
`14:28.48`	`mozrat`	`Man, you excel at being a objectionable character`
`14:28.50`	`morsing`	`Ha ha - the website they've setup for it has broken down :-D`
`14:28.54`	`morsing`	`http://www.linux-magazine.com/Fosdem`
`14:29.03`	`SlammerXP`	`mozrat: me? :)`
`14:29.12`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: yep :-)`
`14:29.19`	`SlammerXP`	`i'm cute and cuddly really`
`14:29.27`	`morsing`	`No you're not!`
`14:29.31`	`SlammerXP`	`am too`
`14:29.42`	`SlammerXP`	`gerroff :)`
`14:29.46`	`morsing`	`SlammerXP: Do you and your brother Blapto cuddle?`
`14:29.57`	`SlammerXP`	`what's a blapto?`
`14:30.05`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Back me up here!`
`14:30.38`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Yes he is!`
`14:31.46`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`14:32.01`	`SlammerXP`	`bored.`
`14:32.02`	`wethrin`	`morsing: You won the subscription?`
`14:32.03`	`SlammerXP`	`slow day.`
`14:34.21`	`SlammerXP`	`tons of mail, just none for me`
`14:35.22`	`mozrat`	`ibot SlammerXP`
`14:35.55`	`mozrat`	`ibot SlammerXP is an objectionable character and brother of Blapto`
`14:35.56`	`ibot`	`okay, mozrat`
`14:36.02`	`mozrat`	`ibot Blapto`
`14:36.03`	`ibot`	`i guess blapto is the love of money`
`14:36.18`	`mozrat`	`ibot Blapto is also the brother of SlammerXP`
`14:36.20`	`ibot`	`okay, mozrat`
`14:36.24`	`mozrat`	`done`
`14:36.30`	`mozrat`	`It's official`
`14:50.35`	`wethrin`	`Apparently there's a dual Xeon 733 6U server being offered on London Freecycle`
`14:50.58`	`SlayerXP`	`no doubt some fool will think it's a bargin`
`14:52.11`	`SlayerXP`	`then they'll realise just how big 6u is :)`
`14:53.36`	`mozrat`	`fridge sized :)`
`14:54.05`	`wethrin`	`Only if it's a small fridge`
`14:54.09`	`SlayerXP`	`probbaly the sam cubic capacity as a small fridge, yes`
`14:54.21`	`SlayerXP`	`about the same effective processing power, too`
`14:54.35`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: So you're purely an amd64 man?`
`14:54.43`	`SlayerXP`	`yep`
`14:54.54`	`SlayerXP`	`except for appliance-format stuff`
`14:55.45`	`wethrin`	`right`
`14:56.28`	`SlayerXP`	`even then, someone's going to stick a turion onto a mini-itx board before long`
`15:06.50`	`stephanb2`	`SlayerXP: are mini-itx'es only running on VIA C3s for the moment ?`
`15:07.24`	`SlayerXP`	`stephanb2: exclusively, afaik`
`15:07.37`	`SlayerXP`	`i don't recall seeing mini-itx format anything else`
`15:08.59`	`stephanb2`	`i remember being tempted by that but then reading a 1GHz C3 was pretty much like a 400MHz PIII`
`15:09.27`	`stephanb2`	`so i thought i would end up with a desktop machine running like a lousy laptop`
`15:12.00`	`SlayerXP`	`actually, they have a surprising amount of grunt`
`15:14.26`	`stephanb2`	`:-)
`15:14.51`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Yes :-)`
`15:15.02`	`stephanb2`	`so a C3 mobo with the MPEG-2 decoding chip can make a decent PVR`
`15:15.14`	`stephanb2`	`i read there was support for that`
`15:16.01`	`stephanb2`	`but then what's the advantadge vs. a Shuttle PC? cost? power consumption?`
`15:16.23`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Yes?`
`15:16.37`	`George`	`HELLO WETHRIN MY LOVELY`
`15:16.47`	`wethrin`	`Hello`
`15:16.50`	`morsing`	`14:32 < wethrin> morsing: You won the subscription?`
`15:16.59`	`morsing`	`ibot sidle`
`15:17.00`	`George`	`wethrin: you're useless`
`15:17.04`	`wethrin`	`Muahaha`
`15:17.10`	`morsing`	`All students are useless`
`15:17.12`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Lucky you!`
`15:17.25`	`morsing`	`Drain on society`
`15:17.37`	`wethrin`	`Oi :-P`
`15:20.33`	`stephanb2`	`SlayerXP: hmm looking at www.mini-itx.com there seems to b mobos 4 all sorts of cpus`
`15:39.51`	`SlayerXP`	`stephanb2: yes, but not for sale, yet`
`15:40.15`	`stephanb2`	`aah`
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`15:59.24`	`morsing`	`puckman!`
`16:09.49`	`puckman`	`morsing!`
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`16:10.01`	`cbz`	`yuh`
`16:14.02`	`z00dax`	`errr`
`16:14.13`	`z00dax`	`the max allowance for 'gift' items in terms of value is £38`
`16:14.29`	`z00dax`	`so anything > toothbrush is now custom's tax'd and/or VAT tax'ed`
`16:32.04`	`stephanb2`	`so this designer thought she could put 40minutes of broadcast video footage on the server`
`16:32.16`	`stephanb2`	`and now nobody can work`
`16:33.02`	`stephanb2`	`the idea of chopping it into 10 mins files didnt obviously come across her brain`
`16:33.15`	`stephanb2`	`or even borrowing a firewire drive for that job`
`16:46.45`	`stephanb2`	`some people just have a 486 processor in their brainz`
`16:58.38`	`stephanb2`	`gotta go in a minute`
`16:58.49`	`stephanb2`	`sorry for ranting on the chan`
`16:59.48`	`cbz`	`No worries. We'll just increment the ETOOMUCHINFO count`
`17:02.16`	`stephanb2`	`:-)`
`17:02.23`	`stephanb2`	`gotto go`
`17:02.28`	`*** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165)`
`17:06.12`	`z00dax`	`when's the next meetup ?`
`17:07.05`	`wethrin`	`When you organise one :)`
`17:08.14`	`z00dax`	`right, fishing trip out to sea of whitstable next friday then ?`
`17:08.29`	`z00dax`	`s/a of w/a off w/`
`17:08.45`	`z00dax`	`24th`
`17:08.50`	`z00dax`	`any takers for that ?`
`17:08.58`	`SlayerXP`	`i like whitstable`
`17:09.05`	`SlayerXP`	`i would, but I'm in the wrong country`
`17:09.07`	`z00dax`	`me too`
`17:09.23`	`z00dax`	`me too as in me too like it, but i am in the right country`
`17:09.26`	`cbz`	`what sort of fish?`
`17:09.28`	`SlayerXP`	`the used to be a great fish restaurant on the sea front, right by the port`
`17:09.33`	`SlayerXP`	`now there's a shit one`
`17:09.38`	`SlayerXP`	`the crab & winkle`
`17:09.44`	`cbz`	`and can i stay on shore and drink instead?`
`17:09.52`	`z00dax`	`heh, yeah - i know that place`
`17:10.27`	`SlayerXP`	`went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay downhill`
`17:11.11`	`SlayerXP`	`a man should not have to fetch his own cutlery in a restaurant`
`17:11.42`	`cbz`	`A man should have his cutlery brought to him by a hotje!`
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`20:41.50`	`z00dax`	`hey George, AndrewBlack`
`20:47.02`	`George`	`hey`
`20:48.08`	`AndrewBlack`	`hi there. I am about to do a practice exam question, so see you later :-)`
`20:52.32`	`George`	`exam???`
`20:54.21`	`z00dax`	`AndrewBlack, take it easy`
`20:54.35`	`z00dax`	`George, know anyplace to get a cheap rack from ?`
`20:54.56`	`George`	`z00dax: the local brothel?`
`20:56.52`	`z00dax`	`not that kinda rack`
`20:57.57`	`George`	`z00dax: :P`
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`21:10.21`	`AndrewBlack`	`Done it - thats the easy bit. Difficult bit is the essay due in on Sat ....`
`21:11.08`	`George`	`AndrewBlack: are you at university?`
`21:17.13`	`AndrewBlack`	`Sort of - doing an open university course (Post grad diploma in computing)`
`21:17.30`	`George`	`heh`
`21:17.30`	`George`	`what's your main degree in?`
`21:17.51`	`AndrewBlack`	`I did maths, mainly pure`
`21:18.27`	`George`	`oooh`
`21:18.29`	`George`	`maths is good`
`21:18.31`	`George`	`which uni?`
`21:18.46`	`AndrewBlack`	`Cambridge (King's).`
`21:18.52`	`AndrewBlack`	`Rmeind we what you are planning to read`
`21:18.56`	`George`	`Computer Science`
`21:19.18`	`George`	`AndrewBlack: ah, so you're a tab unlike that wethrin filth`
`21:19.19`	`George`	`:)`
`21:19.20`	`AndrewBlack`	`Comp sci used to be a 3rd year only course.`
`21:19.36`	`George`	`heh`
`21:19.49`	`George`	`AndrewBlack: you must be heinously good at maths`
`21:19.55`	`AndrewBlack`	`They probably know 3 times as much now as they did`
`21:20.10`	`AndrewBlack`	`s/b/have been/`
`21:20.34`	`George`	`AndrewBlack: :)`
`21:20.36`	`AndrewBlack`	`s s was for georges statement not mine !`
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`21:20.58`	`George`	`AndrewBlack: my physics teacher did maths at cambridge and he's shit at maths :)`
`21:21.18`	`George`	`he got three thirds`
`21:21.18`	`George`	`lol`
`21:22.05`	`AndrewBlack`	`I did better than that !`
`21:22.09`	`George`	`hehe`
`21:22.12`	`George`	`first?`
`21:23.37`	`AndrewBlack`	`One of the guys at the Perl workshop said Maurice Wilkes still lectures on history of computing. He must be about 90`
`21:26.26`	`George`	`yeah`
`21:26.29`	`George`	`he's old.`
`21:53.13`	`George`	`93 apparently`
`21:53.17`	`George`	`er, 92`
`21:53.30`	`George`	`I'm 18 next week`
`22:06.26`	`z00dax`	`George, where's the drinks ?`
`22:06.45`	`George`	`z00dax: I'll be on a plane`
`22:06.47`	`z00dax`	`are you even likely to be in the area and able to make it into someplace sane so we can get lots of b33r into you`
`22:06.49`	`George`	`z00dax: bound for the east`
`22:06.51`	`z00dax`	`humf`
`22:07.01`	`z00dax`	`chicken`
`22:07.01`	`George`	`z00dax: flying out to taiwan on the night of the 23rd`
`22:07.16`	`George`	`z00dax: birthday on the 24th`
`22:07.35`	`z00dax`	`should we have drinks on the 22nd then ?`
`22:07.45`	`George`	`nah`
`22:07.51`	`George`	`still at school :)`
`22:07.53`	`George`	`school finishes on the 23rd :P`
`22:08.08`	`z00dax`	`hummm`
`22:08.13`	`z00dax`	`shame`
`22:08.39`	`z00dax`	`make sure you take enough sausages with you on your trip east`
`22:09.05`	`George`	`haha`
`22:24.38`	`morsing`	`George!`
`22:25.03`	`George`	`hey`
`22:25.23`	`morsing`	`George: Beer is on you next Friday then?`
`22:25.48`	`George`	`morsing: I'm not in the country you moron`
`22:27.37`	`morsing`	`George: Fucktwit`
`22:52.10`	`George`	`twitfuck`
`22:53.44`	`wethrin`	`hic`
`22:59.03`	`George`	`cih`
`23:07.46`	`cbz`	`soapy`
`23:31.39`	`z00dax`	`who uses uknova.com ?`
`23:31.42`	`wethrin`	`Me`
`23:32.01`	`z00dax`	`ok, my torrents wont start downloading ?`
`23:32.11`	`wethrin`	`Why not?`
`23:32.12`	`z00dax`	`i am behind a nat, do i need to get out and beyond that ?`
`23:32.26`	`wethrin`	`Yes. You need to port-forward ports 6881-6889 to your torrenting machine`
`23:32.34`	`cbz`	`http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/mickmariner/theplacetobe.jpg`
`23:33.31`	`z00dax`	`damn..... lemme try`
`23:33.34`	`wethrin`	`That'd be Penrith Station?`
`23:33.39`	`cbz`	`yuh`
`23:33.42`	`wethrin`	`Old news :)`
`23:33.55`	`cbz`	`heh, everyone is a critic`
`23:34.41`	`Leeds`	`you shouldn't need to forward the ports - I can't`
`23:35.08`	`z00dax`	`I've not need to do the ports previously - but then I'm not a big torrent user either`
`23:35.30`	`z00dax`	`could there be a client issue ? I am using bittorrent-3.something, the last one that ran with py2.2`
`23:35.36`	`cbz`	`you can choose not to forward ports - your transfer rate will then be very slow though.`
`23:35.48`	`Leeds`	`you will normally get significantly better performance on torrents if you forward the ports, but it's not (normally) necessary`
`23:35.58`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: It should just work`
`23:36.08`	`wethrin`	`Does your torrent client give any errors?`
`23:36.08`	`George`	`and you can use any ports, not just 6881-6889`
`23:36.14`	`Leeds`	`how long does it take for firefox to quit?`
`23:36.15`	`wethrin`	`George: Shush`
`23:36.24`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: ONE MEEEEELION SECONDS`
`23:36.32`	`George`	`wethrin: penis`
`23:36.41`	`wethrin`	`Whatever turns you on`
`23:36.49`	`George`	`wethrin: laptop`
`23:36.52`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, just that 'bad torrent file'`
`23:37.14`	`z00dax`	`so the torrent is either dead or the tracker has gone away`
`23:38.36`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: How old is the torrent file?`
`23:38.48`	`wethrin`	`uknova removes trackers after a month`
`23:38.50`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: I assume there's a particular reason you're using a pre-historic python?`
`23:39.02`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, thats a rhel2.1 machine`
`23:39.07`	`wethrin`	`George: You're using a laptop as a penis-warmer?`
`23:39.13`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, this weekend i'll upgrade that box to something newer`
`23:39.17`	`George`	`wetwtf?`
`23:39.23`	`George`	`wethrin: wtf?`
`23:39.24`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: I assume there's a particular reason you're using a prehistoric RHEL? :-)`
`23:39.25`	`wethrin`	`HA.`
`23:39.33`	`Leeds`	`(firefox is still quitting)`
`23:40.15`	`cbz`	`upgrading is what windows users do.`
`23:40.46`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, yeah - it was setup a few years back, and since its still getting security updates etc, i just let it run...`
`23:40.55`	`z00dax`	`plus its a k6-2 550,mhz machine`
`23:41.04`	`z00dax`	`i586 support is a big pain in the rear end these days`
`23:41.28`	`Leeds`	`<insert standard rant about people who rely on rpm so much that they're incapable of compiling a package themselves when the time comes>`
`23:41.41`	`Leeds`	`(firefox is still quitting)`
`23:41.54`	`cbz`	`s,rpm,deb,`
`23:42.08`	`Leeds`	`cbz: implied...`
`23:42.25`	`z00dax`	`:) - well, with an uptime of 400days, and i know its got all security updates ( minus kernel reboots ) - kinda gives me a semi warm fuzzy feeling`
`23:42.28`	`SlayerXP`	`?`
`23:42.42`	`cbz`	`oh nothing ..`
`23:42.56`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: and that stops you upgrading python why?`
`23:43.16`	`cbz`	`whats wrong with slackware?`
`23:43.47`	`Leeds`	`will we hit a total of 5 minutes for firefox to quit?`
`23:43.58`	`Leeds`	`uh, 10 minutes - it's already pver 5`
`23:44.08`	`SlayerXP`	`slackware is an excellent tool for new sysadmins`
`23:44.08`	`wethrin`	`cbz: Nothing. Slackware rocks`
`23:44.19`	`wethrin`	`Slackware will teach you about Unix`
`23:44.29`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, well, upgrading python on that machine would mean i no longer use the python specific fix's being sent out of redhat, also other apps - lots and lots of them - rely on that python`
`23:44.41`	`z00dax`	`i suppose i could build a newer python into /opt/py24/ or something..`
`23:44.41`	`SlayerXP`	`"this is how we used to do things before we grew up and used debian"`
`23:45.08`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: are there really that many fixes in rhel's python 2.2 which aren't in the real 2.4? and if so, why?`
`23:45.23`	`SlayerXP`	`bed&`
`23:45.28`	`cbz`	`why upgrade?`
`23:46.34`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, upstream dont maintain py2.2 anymore really ?`
`23:46.44`	`z00dax`	`plus i meant more like all the redhat tools and the other apps on that box`
`23:46.46`	`Leeds`	`no, of course they don't`
`23:46.51`	`cbz`	`never upgrade unless you are forced to`
`23:47.24`	`cbz`	`To do otherwise exposes gentoo tendancies`
`23:47.26`	`Leeds`	`uh, in the modern world, it's perfectly possible and sane to have py2.2 for the legacy rh tools which require it, and py2.4 for anything vaguely modern`
`23:47.42`	`Leeds`	`(firefox is still quitting)`
`23:47.44`	`z00dax`	`Leeds, right.`
`23:48.01`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Time to kill -9`
`23:48.16`	`Leeds`	`nah, it is quitting... just being really really really slow about it`
`23:48.18`	`cbz`	`in the modern world one can get firefox to run for more than ten minutes`
`23:48.32`	`cbz`	`but yet also quit fast :)`
`23:49.12`	`Leeds`	`the problem on this machine (laptop) is that the disk appears to be pretty slow, so as soon as I start swapping performance falls through the floor, and as soon as I start thrashing, it loses about 90% of its speed`
`23:49.42`	`Leeds`	`plus, you know, firefox leaky memory like a sieve with very very big holes`
`23:50.48`	`Leeds`	`the machine is currently - according to top - spending something between 85% and 95% of its time waiting for IO`
`23:51.49`	`*** join/#gllug ldnblk (n=Just@212.183.136.192)`
`23:51.57`	`Leeds`	`morning ldnblk`
`23:52.25`	`ldnblk`	`good evening leeds`
`23:53.07`	`ldnblk`	`how r thing over where u are ?`
`23:53.29`	`George`	`hey`
`23:53.40`	`Leeds`	`oh, firefox died!`
`23:53.40`	`George`	`Leeds: I'll be in Hong Kong next friday`
`23:53.55`	`Leeds`	`George: more than passing through the airport?`
`23:53.58`	`George`	`Leeds: nope`
`23:54.00`	`cbz`	`get the firefox build with the boem gc`
`23:54.04`	`George`	`Leeds: transiting on the way to taiwan`
`23:54.22`	`cbz`	`boehm`
`23:54.23`	`Leeds`	`George: ah, an internal Chinese flight to the rogue province...`
`23:54.28`	`George`	`heh`
`23:54.41`	`Leeds`	`how long will you be in the airport and when?`
`23:54.51`	`George`	`Leeds: no idea - why?`
`23:54.58`	`Leeds`	`just wondering...`
`23:55.12`	`George`	`sometime on friday I guess`
`23:55.24`	`Leeds`	`well, yes... who are you flying with?`
`23:55.29`	`George`	`parents`
`23:55.33`	`George`	`oh`
`23:55.35`	`George`	`cathaty`
`23:55.37`	`George`	`blah`
`23:55.42`	`George`	`cathay pacific`
`23:56.11`	`wethrin`	`To celebrate him legally being allowed to booze`
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`23:57.00`	`George`	`wethrin: if you want to waste money then go ahead`
`23:57.03`	`George`	`I won't be there`
`23:57.28`	`Leeds`	`from LHR, I assume`
`23:57.40`	`George`	`yeah`
`23:57.45`	`wethrin`	`Booze is not wasting money!`
`23:57.52`	`Leeds`	`that doesn't help - they have about 6 flights a day :-)`
`23:58.07`	`George`	`:P`
`23:58.21`	`Leeds`	`cbz: does that actually help?`
`23:58.44`	`George`	`wethrin: yes it is`
`23:58.52`	`wethrin`	`isn't!`
`23:58.56`	`George`	`is not`
`23:59.01`	`George`	`I'd much rather go to the theatre`
`23:59.37`	`psnl`	`wethrin: why haven't you beaten sense into George yet?`
`23:59.42`	`wethrin`	`psnl: I've tried!`
`23:59.46`	`ldnblk`	`for more of a spoon full of sugar george ?`
`23:59.48`	`George`	`theatre++`
`23:59.51`	`George`	`ldnblk: nah`
`23:59.54`	`wethrin`	`But I can't beat him because he's neveer sociable enough to leave his ivory tower`
`23:59.57`	`George`	`ldnblk: billy elliot next probably`

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