01:58.47 | z00dax | arika-chan! |
02:00.05 | George | hi |
02:00.08 | George | d00dax |
02:02.03 | z00dax | heya George |
02:02.16 | George | :) |
02:02.21 | z00dax | I just drove from Bexley to Ealing to deliver a CD to someone, then drove back |
02:03.05 | George | idiot. |
02:03.05 | cliveh | Blimey long trek |
02:03.12 | George | that's what the royal mail is for |
02:03.27 | cliveh | That's a long way |
02:03.41 | George | I live in a sausage factory |
02:03.46 | z00dax | cliveh, I am based just down the road from you ... am in bexley |
02:04.10 | cliveh | Aye zoodax we must be almost neighbours |
02:04.16 | z00dax | George, unfortunately royal mail dont pickup at 11:00pm on Sat night for deliver pre 5:00am |
02:04.32 | George | z00dax: why was it so urgent? |
02:05.09 | z00dax | TheDude flies out to 'merica 5:00am, I need him to carry a bunch of data for me |
02:05.27 | cliveh | Sounds cool |
02:05.47 | z00dax | he kept calling me 'john' for some reason... |
02:05.50 | George | how... odd |
02:06.07 | cliveh | Never underestimate the bandwith of a 747 |
02:06.22 | George | hahahsa |
02:34.06 | LeedsHK | morgen, all |
02:34.32 | George | hi |
02:34.41 | z00dax | LeedsHK, |
09:40.45 | morsing | 'morning |
09:56.54 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
10:06.52 | morsing | Hello? |
10:15.16 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
10:15.17 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
10:15.50 | morsing | cliveh: HAve you ever run into Geir there? |
11:31.44 | morsing | Hello? |
11:32.01 | morsing | Anybody here? |
11:45.38 | z00dax | morsing! |
11:59.36 | George | d00dax! |
12:01.58 | z00dax | George, |
12:24.29 | z00dax | new2unix, what ya watching then ? |
12:24.44 | LeedsHK | morsing, all |
12:25.41 | new2unix | z00dax: Slevin something or the other. Cant rememeber the name. |
12:26.41 | z00dax | lucky number sleven ? |
12:26.48 | wethrin | morning |
12:26.54 | z00dax | wethrin,! |
12:27.01 | LeedsHK | evening |
12:27.09 | new2unix | Yes, that is the one. Has anyone watched it yet. any good? |
12:27.12 | wethrin | hi |
12:27.27 | z00dax | new2unix, I did see it , wait for it on DVD |
12:27.47 | new2unix | z00dax: Oh. :( |
12:28.22 | morsing | z00dax! LeedsHK! |
13:03.30 | George | mozrat: I was to blame for what? |
13:05.29 | wethrin | George: Everything! |
13:05.43 | George | wethrin: yeah, but at least I'm not going to Oxford |
13:05.57 | wethrin | Oxfrog > Tabland |
13:06.11 | George | wethrin<* |
13:06.38 | wethrin | Go away. I had sossidges for breakfast |
13:08.35 | George | so rude |
13:09.16 | George | how on earth did you manage to convince them to fund you for a PhD if you only got a 2.ii? |
13:09.28 | wethrin | I asked nicely |
13:09.33 | George | hahah |
13:10.09 | wethrin | It's true |
13:10.15 | wethrin | I also did an MSc |
13:10.29 | George | weirdo! |
13:10.32 | wethrin | :) |
13:10.46 | George | that was a conversion course though, wasn't it? |
13:10.50 | wethrin | Yes |
13:10.53 | wethrin | so? |
13:10.55 | George | weirdo! |
13:10.59 | wethrin | ? |
13:11.04 | George | some of us don't do stupid subjects in the first place |
13:11.12 | George | that said, I should have applied for Maths :( |
13:11.19 | wethrin | Ha ha |
13:11.24 | z00dax | or applied for Applied Maths |
13:11.24 | wethrin | What did you apply for? CS? |
13:11.29 | George | yesh |
13:11.34 | wethrin | You can always change |
13:11.39 | George | hahaha |
13:11.42 | z00dax | whats wrong with CS ? |
13:11.46 | z00dax | not that i did CS |
13:11.46 | George | I would never have got in for Maths though |
13:11.51 | George | z00dax: CS < Maths. :P |
13:11.58 | wethrin | CS is what people do when they're no good at other sciences :-P |
13:12.02 | George | Maths > * |
13:12.20 | z00dax | but if you intend to pursue a career in CS - then doing CS might not be a bad thing |
13:12.27 | George | maths is better |
13:12.31 | wethrin | Yes, but what career can you get in CS? |
13:12.38 | wethrin | Other than an academic one |
13:12.55 | wethrin | And at UCL, a large number of the CS department used to be Physicists |
13:12.57 | z00dax | wethrin, ask the idiots who made 100k + salaries working for such entities as PWC and CGEY |
13:13.05 | wethrin | z00dax: That's not a career in CS :) |
13:13.20 | George | that's software engineering |
13:13.21 | George | not CS |
13:13.34 | wethrin | George: More likely it's management bollocks |
13:13.40 | George | true |
13:14.13 | z00dax | wethrin, no - talking about the guys doing CS stuff there |
13:14.27 | z00dax | humm... ok, so whats CS then :) |
13:14.30 | wethrin | z00dax: Algorithms and suchlike? |
13:14.43 | z00dax | and that does not include Soft Engg and such ? |
13:14.54 | wethrin | It may be part of it |
13:15.01 | z00dax | <-- isnt too familiar with the education process here, so forgive me if i sound sanile |
13:15.05 | z00dax | humm.. |
13:15.17 | wethrin | However, SE != CS |
13:15.36 | z00dax | the way i look at it is - IIT grads in India, doing Comp Sci never had to wait past 6th Semester to get Job placements, ( and its an 8 sem course ) |
13:15.58 | z00dax | pretty much every other stream never even started interviews till well into the 7th - sometimes even into the 8th Sem |
13:16.58 | wethrin | mmm |
13:18.02 | z00dax | although i suppose it isnt really normal human beings that goto the IIT's |
13:18.13 | wethrin | yeah |
13:18.20 | z00dax | s/goto/pass out of/ |
13:48.16 | George | MOO |
13:48.52 | z00dax | Moooooo |
13:58.20 | George | hey d00dax |
14:12.53 | LeedsHK | family dinner Friday night, followed by a couple of St. Paddy's Day drinks... Comedy club on Saturday night, followed by a falafel... Bowling on Sunday afternoon, followed by fish'n'chips... |
14:16.36 | LeedsHK | good weekend all? |
14:16.54 | wethrin | Boring, really |
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14:52.22 | George | wethrin: flushing loo or mary poppins? |
14:55.16 | wethrin | George: What? |
14:55.37 | George | wethrin: what would you rather have, a flushing loo or a ticket to go see mary poppins in the theatre? |
14:55.54 | wethrin | Depends. What's the alternative to the loo? |
14:56.05 | George | a ticket to go see mary poppins in the theatre. |
14:56.07 | wethrin | One whose cistern is broken? |
14:56.14 | George | no loo at all |
14:56.25 | George | think army latrine |
14:56.28 | wethrin | ew |
14:56.32 | wethrin | My own bog++ |
14:56.37 | George | hahaha |
14:56.57 | George | ok, I'm having an argument |
14:57.02 | George | I'm saying that arts are for the weak |
14:57.14 | George | (and lazy) |
14:57.19 | wethrin | Not necessarily :) |
14:57.25 | George | wethrin: bah |
14:57.30 | George | wethrin: what arts aren't for the weak? |
14:58.28 | morsing | Check it! |
14:58.46 | wethrin | Depends. Studying or appreciating? |
14:59.26 | morsing | Appreciating |
14:59.42 | George | wethrin: either |
14:59.53 | George | I APPRECIATE MY TOILET |
15:00.09 | wethrin | Appreciating is good |
15:00.26 | George | toilets are better |
15:05.30 | George | wethrin: does macos x come with wget? |
15:06.30 | wethrin | George: Can't remember. I have it installed |
15:06.56 | wethrin | No, it doesn't. It comes with curl |
15:07.45 | wethrin | I have wget installed via fink |
15:13.33 | LeedsHK | just listened to the News Quiz tribute to Linda Smith... |
15:23.30 | LeedsHK | George: I would prefer a toilet... |
15:23.41 | LeedsHK | but for now, I'm going to bed |
15:23.44 | George | lol |
15:23.45 | George | cya |
17:01.25 | morsing | Hey George |
17:02.16 | George | hey |
17:02.37 | morsing | How are you? |
17:04.45 | George | sausagelike |
17:07.12 | JAV | hello! |
17:08.18 | morsing | JAV! |
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18:03.18 | cbz | evenink. |
18:03.40 | morsing | cbz! |
18:03.53 | cbz | morsing! |
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19:20.01 | morsing | Blissex2! |
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19:52.15 | morsing | Blissex2! |
20:33.53 | morsing | Anyone still awake? |
20:34.06 | wethrin | No |
20:35.36 | cbz | Everyone has passed out from the cold and lack of food. |
20:36.24 | new2unix | ibot seen formi |
20:36.27 | ibot | formi <n=formi@82-35-232-163.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 20d 7h 43m 52s ago, saying: 'Leeds: i finally got into gmail, using lynx'. |
20:36.52 | morsing | Hi new2unix |
20:37.04 | new2unix | hi morsing |
20:37.13 | morsing | How's life? |
20:37.50 | morsing | Mmm... |
20:38.21 | new2unix | Spanish classical guitar ++ |
20:41.04 | new2unix | The Choirboys' rendition of Tears in Heaven is eerie |
20:41.12 | cbz | Heh. |
20:41.16 | new2unix | cbz: really? |
20:41.19 | cbz | Yes. |
20:41.37 | new2unix | cbz: are you as good as Oscar Lopez? |
20:41.58 | new2unix | cbz: i will buy your album if you are. |
20:42.04 | cbz | Heh |
20:42.08 | cbz | Unlikely. |
20:48.25 | cbz | I started classical guitar about then. Maybe 6. |
20:49.29 | cbz | But I got tendonitis :-) |
20:54.05 | new2unix | that sounds like it hurt at the time. |
20:56.18 | new2unix | cbz: Here's Oscar Lopez: http://bsdqed.com/Classical/OscarLopez.mp3 |
20:56.21 | cbz | I got it at 18 - 12 years later. |
20:59.30 | cbz | Ta. |
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21:02.35 | stephanb2 | yo |
21:03.10 | z00dax | stephanb2, yo |
21:03.22 | stephanb2 | z00dax: hey |
21:03.48 | z00dax | good weekend ? |
21:04.12 | stephanb2 | xlnt. my p2p "box" is ready for my friend |
21:04.23 | z00dax | nice |
21:04.28 | stephanb2 | ooo that's the voip pbx ? |
21:04.40 | z00dax | stephanb2, yea |
21:06.41 | cbz | i tend to listen to stuff thats either classical, or flamenco, not so much hybrid stuff. |
21:07.49 | stephanb2 | as usual with these networky things, i always bang my head against the firewall or hosts.allow |
21:10.47 | stephanb2 | z00dax: oh btw, have u tried firestarter? |
21:11.14 | z00dax | stephanb2, nope |
21:11.24 | z00dax | i tend to write my iptables rules mostly by hand |
21:12.04 | stephanb2 | yeah well that's im doing too |
21:12.05 | new2unix | hi StephanB |
21:12.23 | stephanb2 | although it's not a "solution" for beginners |
21:12.29 | stephanb2 | new2unix: hey long time no see |
21:12.32 | z00dax | stephanb2, there is another tool that came quite highly recommended... lets see if i can dig it up |
21:12.57 | stephanb2 | z00dax: i think i know, it snniffs your traffic and suggests tables |
21:13.16 | stephanb2 | well actually that's what i do, with netstat |
21:13.25 | z00dax | http://rocky.molphys.leidenuniv.nl/ <-- stephanb2 thats the one |
21:13.54 | stephanb2 | new2unix: whats up ? |
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21:19.19 | new2unix | stephanB: How you doing? |
21:19.52 | stephanb2 | z00dax: hmm complicated. not for n00bies either |
21:20.02 | cbz | heh |
21:20.50 | z00dax | stephanb2, humm... |
21:21.54 | new2unix | stephanB: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ is newbie friendly |
21:23.29 | stephanb2 | new2unix: can i run that on linux :-o ??? |
21:24.21 | new2unix | stephanb2: it has been done. |
21:24.32 | stephanb2 | anyway it's a bit of a lost cause, asking for a n00bie friendly firewall |
21:24.56 | stephanb2 | is like asking for a jet airline u can pilot in 5 lessons |
21:25.08 | z00dax | stephanb2, in most cases, turning off unwanted services is all the firewall a linux machine needs |
21:25.08 | stephanb2 | s/airline/aircraft |
21:25.20 | z00dax | the whole idea of a user end firewall is much Windoze fluff |
21:26.05 | stephanb2 | well yeah, there is no hosts.allow hosts.deny on Win32 |
21:28.22 | morsing | Check it! |
21:28.29 | new2unix | stephanb2: not on the firewall that comes with XP SP2 but there are alternatives to hosts.allow etc on third party firewalls for win32 |
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21:28.40 | z00dax | but does everything actuall work in compliance with hosts.allow /deny |
21:29.01 | George | hello arika-chan |
21:29.45 | stephanb2 | z00dax: no, not everything. |
21:30.06 | arika-chan | hi George |
21:30.22 | stephanb2 | z00dax: but i realise that most of the times i activate a network service, i have to mod both my iptables and hosts.allow |
21:30.37 | stephanb2 | hi arika-chan hi George |
21:30.48 | arika-chan | hi stephanb2 :) |
21:31.07 | stephanb2 | z00dax: well samba has hosts.allow in the smb.conf |
21:31.09 | z00dax | George, arika-chan |
21:31.14 | arika-chan | z00dax! |
21:31.46 | z00dax | stephanb2, i usually dont run file sharing stuff on machines that need to have network's blocked! |
21:31.56 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
21:33.04 | stephanb2 | well 4 the moment my friend runs p2p on a winxp box with this special boot + pcmcia card |
21:33.14 | stephanb2 | that "resets" the system at every boot |
21:33.36 | stephanb2 | i thought i could do better with linux |
21:33.56 | stephanb2 | better as in security + more frugal in resources |
21:34.09 | z00dax | stephanb2, consider a VM ? |
21:34.56 | stephanb2 | z00dax: hem the idea is that he can run on old hardware |
21:35.14 | stephanb2 | somehow in my mind i think VM = mucho RAM. but mayb im wrong |
21:35.14 | z00dax | stephanb2, how old ? |
21:35.30 | z00dax | you loose about 10 -12% system resources with a single VM |
21:35.38 | stephanb2 | his box is a 700MHz PIII + 128MB RAM |
21:35.48 | z00dax | 128mb sounds a bit shallow |
21:36.04 | z00dax | but a 700mhz p-3 would work ok'ish |
21:36.17 | stephanb2 | i got my system to run happily on a 400Mhz PIII and it's using about 32MB |
21:36.39 | z00dax | what kernel / glibc ? |
21:36.43 | stephanb2 | fc4 mini install + x11 + fluxbox + samba + gtk-gnutella |
21:36.54 | z00dax | humm |
21:37.12 | z00dax | what kernel version |
21:37.34 | stephanb2 | so, he doesnt have to make his hands dirty in xterm, 2.6.11 kernel |
21:37.56 | stephanb2 | the one that ships with fc4 , i didnt upgrade the kernel |
21:38.00 | z00dax | right |
21:38.10 | z00dax | i am quite sure the 2.6.15-fc4 wont work with that :) |
21:38.48 | stephanb2 | ??? im running a 2.6.15 on a 800MHz PIII |
21:38.49 | z00dax | on that machine, i love to see the output of rpm -qa |
21:38.56 | z00dax | how much ram ? |
21:39.38 | stephanb2 | well my test machine has 256MB, but when i look at gkrellm, it uses about 32 |
21:39.57 | z00dax | with 256megs it will run fine |
21:40.07 | stephanb2 | i typed the wrong label on my swap partition and didnt notice for 1 week |
21:41.32 | stephanb2 | z00dax: is the new kernel greedy with ram ??? |
21:41.51 | stephanb2 | i thought is was gnome || kde that sucked the ram |
21:41.54 | z00dax | apps are |
21:42.15 | z00dax | and the base system, even with very few things running, will take up ram - although large portions of the kernel are module driven |
21:42.16 | stephanb2 | yeah well the biggest app on his box is firefox |
21:42.28 | z00dax | you wont be able to use yum and friends with 32 megs of ram |
21:42.44 | stephanb2 | it seems that the base system is using about 32MB |
21:42.44 | z00dax | you are running firefox on a machine that has 32 megs of ram ? |
21:42.56 | z00dax | or no wait ... hummm |
21:43.09 | z00dax | well, reduce the ram down to 32megs and then see how things get fun |
21:43.15 | stephanb2 | no, no, my test machine has 256MB, his machine has 128MB |
21:43.29 | stephanb2 | i wouldnt be so bold, but i would try 64MB |
21:43.42 | stephanb2 | can u do that in the kernel parameters at boot ? |
21:43.47 | z00dax | make sure you have lots of swap and a fast hdd |
21:43.55 | stephanb2 | hahaha :-D |
21:44.10 | stephanb2 | and put a microphone on the hard drive :-) |
21:46.00 | z00dax | i have an old ibm 600E laptop that has 128megs of ram ... its a p-3 500mhz chip i think. |
21:46.10 | z00dax | might be worth looking for that sometime... |
21:46.36 | stephanb2 | z00dax: im sure any distro with a light desktop would run. |
21:46.50 | stephanb2 | i put fc1 + xfce on a friends laptop years ago |
21:46.58 | stephanb2 | only open office swaps |
21:47.01 | z00dax | stephanb2, thinking of using that as the asterisk box to play with |
21:47.22 | stephanb2 | ah yeah, u dont even need a desktop do u ? |
21:47.51 | z00dax | i was thinking in terms of power requirements as well - that sort of a box would not need much power to run 24/7 |
21:48.22 | stephanb2 | hmm however it may not b meant to run 24/7 |
21:48.34 | stephanb2 | but it costs u nothing |
21:48.41 | z00dax | I have a Compaq laptop thats ot 460 days of uptime |
21:48.52 | z00dax | I've even moved homes during that time and the laptop did not reboot :) |
21:49.06 | z00dax | having said that, i can imagine its going to burst into flames tonite |
21:50.17 | stephanb2 | i owuld like to play with these mini itx mobos |
21:50.48 | z00dax | just make sure its not a i586 you end up with, linux support for them is starting to get rather scarce |
21:51.21 | stephanb2 | wot is i586? Pentium One ? |
21:51.48 | z00dax | and lots of these ITX mobo's - Epic's and whatnot - and the K6's |
21:52.07 | George | it's also a brand of Apple computers. |
21:52.17 | stephanb2 | anyway we had this chat be4, mini-itx only support VIA chips, some mobile pentiums |
21:52.46 | stephanb2 | George: i586 is a brand of Apple ??? |
21:52.55 | z00dax | i think there are some i686 based ones around these days too |
21:53.17 | stephanb2 | i would buy a mac mini if it didnt use a laptop drive |
22:19.28 | stephanb2 | z00dax: it would run on 64MB as long as you just run the p2p app in X. |
22:19.53 | stephanb2 | z00dax: but firefox on its own will swap |
22:34.30 | stephanb2 | on those words, im off! |
22:34.35 | stephanb2 | cu all l8r |
22:34.37 | stephanb2 | bye! |
22:34.57 | z00dax | nite |
22:35.15 | stephanb2 | nite nite |
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23:25.46 | cbz | nite |
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