| 00:37.14 | z00dax | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/27/tuttle_email/ |
| 00:37.22 | z00dax | the saga continues... |
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| 01:49.38 | z00dax | nite |
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| 03:28.27 | Leeds | ibot change 3.01 hkd to gbp |
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| 07:34.49 | SlayerXP | ibot wake everyone |
| 07:34.51 | ibot | everyone: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 07:35.22 | Leeds | ibot convert 58 inches to cm |
| 07:38.19 | Leeds | that's in the context of 58G, by the way |
| 07:41.56 | SlayerXP | cluster1 got mail #20,000 overnight! \o/ |
| 07:42.21 | Leeds | yay |
| 07:42.46 | Leeds | I completely turned off system-wide spam checking yesterday and went back to calling spamassassin manually through my .procmailrc |
| 07:43.06 | SlayerXP | you said. |
| 07:46.13 | murb | Leeds: you should outsource email interception to SlayerXP then? |
| 07:46.25 | murb | s/interception/badness scanning/ |
| 07:46.41 | murb | SlayerXP: how many inches of spam? |
| 07:47.50 | SlayerXP | it's difficult to say but, stuff that actually got as far as the filter: |
| 07:47.51 | SlayerXP | antibody-report=# select count(*) from abdata where is_spam is true; |
| 07:47.51 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.51 | SlayerXP | ------- |
| 07:47.51 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.03 | SlayerXP | at least 10 times more than that was deflected before getting to the spam checker |
| 08:32.33 | Leeds | ibot change 1 mop to hkd |
| 08:39.11 | SlayerXP | Pataca? |
| 08:39.39 | Leeds | sure |
| 08:40.11 | Leeds | ibot pataca |
| 08:41.16 | SlayerXP | sounds like the currency of some south american warn-torn dictatorship |
| 08:42.23 | Leeds | I can offer a small south-east asian non-democratic ex-Portugese territory, which makes most of its revenue from gambling |
| 08:43.03 | SlayerXP | i was close |
| 08:43.07 | Leeds | Macau |
| 08:48.26 | Leeds | so... you've got a machine with two identical PCI SATA controllers, each with 4 disks... one of the disks has failed - it's a running raid system, so the machine is still up, and the drives and controllers support hot-swap... how do you know which is the dead drive? |
| 08:49.23 | SlayerXP | you have the controller blink the access LED for the dead drive |
| 08:50.46 | Leeds | there are apparently no LEDs at all :-( this is, obviously, not a hypothetical situation |
| 08:51.34 | SlayerXP | you say "I wish I'd bought a proper RAID controller with would be able to blink an LED to tell me which drive had failed" |
| 08:52.22 | SlayerXP | s/with/would/ |
| 08:52.46 | Leeds | okay, it's not a hotswap |
| 08:53.11 | SlayerXP | that's easier then |
| 08:55.54 | Leeds | is there any sane way to get a drive serial number or something? |
| 08:59.22 | murb | i have a raid array that has pretty blue leds due to a design error they don't do anything. |
| 09:04.29 | Leeds | so how would *you* find which card/drive is which? |
| 09:09.00 | SlayerXP | me? |
| 09:09.29 | SlayerXP | I'd hop into the raid admin utility and ask it to blink the LED for the rive that had failed. |
| 09:09.34 | SlayerXP | drive |
| 09:10.27 | SlayerXP | failing that, reboot the machine and isloate the right SATA card and then the right drive. |
| 09:10.45 | SlayerXP | you'll need to power cycle the box a maximum of 4 times. |
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| 09:33.02 | Leeds | the English-language weather forecaster for the Haaretz newspaper in Israel has a habit of giving his forecasts in the form of a little poem: |
| 09:33.30 | Leeds | The skies Monday will have some white dotted across their blue, in a reflection of the indecision that's gripping lots of you. |
| 09:33.36 | Leeds | But while temperatures won't change too much on this day before the vote, when you leave the house Tuesday, you best take with a coat. |
| 09:33.41 | Leeds | For the forecast speaks of rain that will fall on election day; but don't let that keep you in the house: Go out and have your say. |
| 09:34.19 | gregj | :) |
| 09:37.20 | Leeds | they are worried that they may only get 75% turnout in the election today... politicians in the UK would kill for 75% turnout nowadays |
| 09:37.48 | gregj | the most they got in PL was around 50% |
| 09:38.13 | gregj | unlike belorus, where turnout was 93% :D |
| 09:38.25 | Leeds | I'm suprised at that |
| 09:38.39 | Leeds | I would think they'd get more like 110% |
| 09:39.01 | murb | what rate do they get in .be where voting is compulsory? |
| 09:40.17 | Leeds | 96.3% at the last general election in 2003 |
| 09:40.44 | gregj | before 89 in PL it was always 99% |
| 09:41.03 | murb | gregj: who always voted 98% for the same people? |
| 09:41.19 | gregj | yup |
| 09:41.21 | gregj | aparently |
| 09:41.48 | Leeds | yeah, strangely the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (idea.int) don't give figures for before 1989 in Poland :-) |
| 09:41.56 | murb | gregj: and after 98% they got new people to count the votes? :-) |
| 09:42.03 | murb | s/98%/89/ |
| 09:42.10 | gregj | :] |
| 09:42.42 | murb | not checked for fairness by the thread of soviet force? |
| 09:43.08 | murb | gregj: and 100% would be too obvious? |
| 09:43.25 | Leeds | the soviets never used force in Poland - the Polish people chose to subsume their freedom to the greater soviet good of their own free will |
| 09:44.11 | Leeds | gregj: right? |
| 09:44.19 | gregj | yes, he is talking good |
| 09:44.25 | gregj | give him more|beer |
| 10:30.16 | Leeds | hometime... |
| 11:50.04 | murb | on the town? |
| 11:53.51 | gregj | not that office |
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| 13:59.38 | mozrat | Hello |
| 14:18.05 | JAV | good afternoon |
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| 14:44.24 | cbz | aftermorgen |
| 14:44.53 | mozrat | hey |
| 14:45.20 | cbz | hiya |
| 14:45.50 | murb | cbz: tomorrow? |
| 14:46.03 | murb | or the day after? |
| 14:46.13 | cbz | possibly. |
| 14:46.35 | murb | cbz: well uebermorgen ~= day after tomorrow. |
| 15:13.28 | George | ello |
| 15:16.52 | murb | you've been kidnapped? |
| 15:30.51 | George | mozrat: you heartless fuck. |
| 15:31.02 | mozrat | and for that... a tongue |
| 15:31.38 | George | ? |
| 15:36.53 | George | apparently there's a shooting range here |
| 15:38.28 | SlayerXP | perhaps they need a target |
| 15:38.34 | SlayerXP | you should apply. |
| 15:38.49 | cbz | Heh. |
| 15:39.51 | George | slayou suck |
| 15:40.02 | SlayerXP | i nibble too. |
| 15:40.06 | SlayerXP | gently |
| 15:40.09 | SlayerXP | drive women wild. |
| 15:40.12 | SlayerXP | drives |
| 15:41.31 | George | yous uck |
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| 17:52.00 | morsing | Mjallo |
| 17:52.39 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 17:52.43 | wethrin | yes? |
| 17:52.46 | morsing | :) |
| 17:52.51 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:52.51 | morsing | George: Yous uck? |
| 17:52.58 | wethrin | morsing: How's the new job? |
| 17:53.12 | morsing | Crap :( |
| 17:53.15 | wethrin | Boh :( |
| 17:53.16 | wethrin | Why? |
| 17:53.57 | morsing | wethrin: Slow, boring, uninterested colleagues... etc |
| 17:54.26 | wethrin | the joys of working for a financial institution :) |
| 17:54.32 | wethrin | It may pick up after a couple of weeks |
| 18:04.20 | morsing | wethrin: It doesn't |
| 18:04.45 | morsing | I worked for a credit card company for a year and then for Safeway and believe me it doesn't get any better |
| 18:05.01 | morsing | At least I convinced them to give me a new phone |
| 18:05.12 | morsing | I'll send out the number to relevant people |
| 18:05.50 | wethrin | :-( |
| 18:05.59 | wethrin | Time for a new job again, then? :) |
| 18:07.07 | wethrin | One of the IT service guys here is looking to work for Google. Want a job up in Durham? :) |
| 18:08.12 | morsing | Do they use AIX? |
| 18:08.19 | morsing | John Hearns is looking... |
| 18:08.23 | morsing | Mmm... AIX |
| 18:08.27 | morsing | Mmm... alison |
| 18:08.56 | wethrin | No |
| 18:09.04 | wethrin | Sadly they're going towards Windows |
| 18:09.04 | morsing | Yes he is! |
| 18:09.09 | wethrin | Hm? |
| 18:09.16 | morsing | Ahh... Grid computing on windows? |
| 18:09.25 | wethrin | Haha |
| 18:09.39 | wethrin | The clustering job has been filled |
| 18:17.06 | morsing | All three? |
| 18:17.16 | morsing | Ok, question for ya all |
| 18:17.38 | morsing | At work I can't go to webmail.morsing.cc because of the proxy scanner |
| 18:17.54 | morsing | Now, what do I need to change so I can get to that site? |
| 18:18.11 | morsing | Is it the address or the content it's not happy about? |
| 18:19.41 | morsing | Hello? |
| 18:19.54 | wethrin | hello? |
| 18:20.09 | wethrin | I don't know. What does the proxy scanner complain about? |
| 18:21.10 | morsing | Content |
| 18:21.23 | morsing | Well, you know the kind of message |
| 18:21.28 | wethrin | Just for the front page? |
| 18:21.32 | morsing | "The site you have access contains..." |
| 18:21.34 | morsing | Yes |
| 18:21.38 | wethrin | Contains what? :) |
| 18:21.47 | morsing | Can't remember |
| 18:21.48 | wethrin | it might give you some clues as to why it's blocking it |
| 18:28.57 | wethrin | Hm |
| 18:28.58 | morsing | wethrin: Believe me it doesn't! |
| 18:28.58 | wethrin | That's a bit useless of it |
| 18:28.58 | wethrin | maybe it doesn't like the encrypted traffic? |
| 18:28.58 | morsing | Ok, I'm adding a new hostname now and will check tomorrow if that worked |
| 18:28.58 | wethrin | okay :) |
| 18:29.00 | morsing | wethrin: I tried other encrypted sites |
| 18:29.00 | morsing | Ok, how do I setup a http-to-ssh gateway? |
| 18:29.00 | morsing | Or ssh over proxy? |
| 18:29.02 | wethrin | Do they proxy port 443? |
| 18:29.02 | wethrin | http://eco.li/Computing/ssh-tunnel.txt |
| 18:31.48 | morsing | What does that do? |
| 18:34.21 | wethrin | Perl script to do ssh tunnelling over an HTTP proxy |
| 18:35.01 | AndrewBlack | hi there |
| 18:35.14 | wethrin | hi AndrewBlack |
| 18:40.31 | morsing | wethrin: Running on the client? |
| 18:40.35 | morsing | AndrewBlack! |
| 18:40.56 | wethrin | morsing: Yes. Although it does need your proxy to support the HTTP CONNECT method |
| 18:42.55 | AndrewBlack | Sorry - missed the beginning ofthis. Are you trying to ssh over a firewall that only allows HTTP? |
| 18:44.06 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Yes |
| 18:44.58 | AndrewBlack | I have a different porb - how to send mail when the firewall blocks SMTP. |
| 18:45.10 | wethrin | Use your local mail relay |
| 18:45.20 | AndrewBlack | But there isnt one |
| 18:45.34 | wethrin | um. Do you not get mail to that network? |
| 18:45.37 | wethrin | Or not send it out? |
| 18:46.05 | AndrewBlack | Trying to send mail out when I am sitting on wifi in my local pub. |
| 18:46.10 | wethrin | Ahhh :) |
| 18:46.14 | wethrin | ssh tunnel |
| 18:46.28 | wethrin | tunnel localhost:25 to your-mail-server:25 |
| 18:46.29 | AndrewBlack | Hoiw do i do that. |
| 18:46.48 | wethrin | there's ssh -L and ssh -R |
| 18:47.25 | wethrin | I think you may need to do: ssh -L 25:mail.andrewblack.org:25 andrew@ab.org |
| 18:48.19 | wethrin | (substituting appropriate users/hosts, of course) |
| 18:49.27 | wethrin | The Uni's firewall doesn't allow outbound port 2000 (which is what I need to access a machine on) |
| 18:49.58 | wethrin | So I create a tunnel so that localhost:22 redirects to remotehost:2000, going via a third machine to which I establish the ssh session |
| 18:50.17 | AndrewBlack | So port 25 on my local machine is wired thru to 25 on remote machine |
| 18:50.48 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 18:51.00 | wethrin | I'm assuming you're not running a mailserver on your local machine? |
| 18:54.54 | AndrewBlack | presumably you can choose another port |
| 18:56.34 | wethrin | Yes |
| 19:00.18 | AndrewBlack | Can you tunnel the other way. |
| 19:00.50 | AndrewBlack | Ie X creates a connection to Y over which opens a port that lets Y talk to X |
| 19:01.12 | wethrin | Yes |
| 19:01.14 | wethrin | ssh -R |
| 19:01.22 | wethrin | (forward remote port to local machine) |
| 19:08.32 | AndrewBlack | wethrin - I have been visiting the library of youralama mater |
| 19:08.43 | wethrin | UCL, or Bodleian? |
| 19:08.46 | AndrewBlack | s/alama/ alma/ |
| 19:08.50 | AndrewBlack | UCL |
| 19:09.21 | wethrin | Ahha. I only visited the library once. To get a library card. |
| 19:09.33 | AndrewBlack | sounds like a bit of a waste of time |
| 19:09.48 | wethrin | yeah. :) |
| 19:10.50 | AndrewBlack | Also got into the British Library. Nice quiet place to work |
| 19:12.41 | wethrin | I heard that it is. I should try and get a readers card |
| 19:14.13 | AndrewBlack | Would be conveniant for you - staging post between King X and a pub |
| 19:15.08 | AndrewBlack | Are you down these parts at all |
| 19:17.27 | wethrin | I'll be there at the London.pm meeting next week |
| 19:17.42 | wethrin | I can celebrate some belated-birthday drinks |
| 19:20.01 | AndrewBlack | So will you bw around on 7th. I am singing St John passion in Piccadilly. |
| 19:20.20 | AndrewBlack | Evil Dave has bought tickets |
| 19:21.05 | wethrin | Um. 7th is a Friday? |
| 19:21.50 | wethrin | yes. Hm, no can do unfortunately. Got band practice that evening, and all day Saturday |
| 19:21.55 | wethrin | With a concert in Marlow on Saturday evening |
| 19:22.15 | AndrewBlack | What do you play? |
| 19:22.22 | wethrin | clarinet, in this case |
| 19:32.09 | AndrewBlack | I used to play that. Still do about every other year :-( |
| 19:54.11 | wethrin | No local bands to join? |
| 20:30.30 | SlayerXP | i reckon Emon is Henry Gilbert's clone |
| 20:31.01 | wethrin | But less helpful? |
| 20:31.20 | SlayerXP | possibly. |
| 20:32.18 | SlayerXP | i'm thinking that "Look, just fuck off, will you?" wouldn't be a constructive reply. |
| 20:32.32 | wethrin | No, but since when has that stopped you? :) |
| 20:32.45 | SlayerXP | always |
| 20:32.50 | SlayerXP | soul of geniality, me |
| 20:33.05 | wethrin | Mmmhm :) |
| 20:33.50 | SlayerXP | show me just one instance of me being rude on the list. |
| 20:34.08 | SlayerXP | telling people they're talking bollocks isn't rude, in my book :) |
| 20:34.26 | SlayerXP | that's public spirited honesty. |
| 20:34.48 | wethrin | Hm. I suppose it's mostly Debian trolling :) |
| 20:37.23 | SlayerXP | me? trolling? I'm hurt. |
| 20:39.06 | wethrin | GNAAAAAAH |
| 20:39.13 | wethrin | I'm a little behind on Gllug |
| 20:39.30 | wethrin | But I must object to Andy Smith's comment about munging Reply-To: addresses on lists |
| 20:44.12 | SlayerXP | wethrin: tell me, do you have a serious spam problem? |
| 20:44.22 | SlayerXP | if not, would you like one? :) |
| 20:44.34 | wethrin | It's not overly serious yet :) |
| 20:44.40 | wethrin | And I'd prefer not to have one :) |
| 20:44.55 | SlayerXP | well, I can help you there, as it happens |
| 20:45.10 | wethrin | about 98% of the spam I get comes via an email address, the domain of which I have no control over |
| 20:46.28 | wethrin | maybe even 99% |
| 20:48.42 | SlayerXP | bah, hopeless. |
| 20:49.19 | SlayerXP | we clocked 20,000 mails this morning, and will get 21,000 before midnight on current form |
| 20:50.27 | wethrin | that's quite good going |
| 20:51.01 | SlayerXP | that's clean messages, i reckon we're 15:1 spam:clean |
| 20:51.51 | wethrin | ooh. You're doing very well, then |
| 20:52.14 | SlayerXP | i'd be doing even better should anyone actually pay :) |
| 20:52.31 | wethrin | is it still a free trial service? :) |
| 20:54.05 | SlayerXP | of course. |
| 20:58.48 | wethrin | Well, if I have a spam problem, I shall give you a shout |
| 20:58.57 | wethrin | specifically, a spam problem on a domain I control |
| 21:04.00 | SlayerXP | you and your vague teasing promises :) |
| 21:04.28 | wethrin | Heh |
| 21:05.15 | wethrin | Ahh. Richard Jones++ |
| 21:05.20 | wethrin | (see latest post to Gllug) |
| 21:06.45 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 21:11.28 | SlayerXP | he's asking the exact same questions on hantslug, too |
| 21:15.53 | wethrin | hehe |
| 21:21.49 | Blapto | Hi |
| 21:22.28 | wethrin | Blapto! |
| 21:22.33 | Blapto | wethrin! |
| 21:23.04 | Blapto | You in London? |
| 21:25.54 | wethrin | Not yet |
| 21:25.57 | wethrin | A week Thursday |
| 21:30.00 | wethrin | I'll be at the London.pm social meeting. Will you be there? |
| 21:36.42 | wethrin | SlayerXP++ |
| 21:40.25 | SlayerXP | reply to Emon on hantslug |
| 21:40.27 | SlayerXP | "You come across as a bit of a tosser the way you write your emails and calling |
| 21:40.27 | SlayerXP | me out like this makes you look like more of one." |
| 21:40.44 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 21:40.57 | wethrin | Not a good introduction to the "friendly" open source community |
| 21:42.12 | wethrin | heh. Also, pontifex++ |
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| 21:42.36 | wethrin | hello AC |
| 21:42.42 | arika-chan | hiyo |
| 21:47.54 | wethrin | Oh, you just can't make it up |
| 21:48.01 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Emon's responded to your messages |
| 21:48.07 | wethrin | Er. -s$ |
| 21:48.16 | SlayerXP | i replied back |
| 21:48.38 | wethrin | Troll :-P |
| 21:49.05 | SlayerXP | coulkdn't resist |
| 21:49.49 | wethrin | no. I thought you might at least point him at the list archives |
| 22:11.43 | Blapto | wethrin, doubtfull |
| 22:11.55 | wethrin | bah |
| 22:12.53 | Blapto | wethrin, when/where? |
| 22:13.17 | wethrin | 6th (Thursday evening) |
| 22:13.20 | wethrin | In a pub TBA |
| 22:13.29 | wethrin | (either that, or I mislaid the email) |
| 22:17.51 | Blapto | I may go then, depending on what's on. I just need to turn up, nothing special? |
| 22:17.58 | wethrin | You need to drink too |
| 22:18.25 | Blapto | That's a given |
| 22:18.48 | wethrin | If it's your first London.pm, then the emails state that you get a free drink |
| 22:20.00 | AndrewBlack | The meeting is at Maple leaf. see http://london.pm.org/meetings/ |
| 22:20.04 | arika-chan | ooh |
| 22:20.06 | wethrin | Thanks |
| 22:20.11 | wethrin | arika-chan: you around then? |
| 22:20.34 | arika-chan | unfortunately I'm in the carribean ;) |
| 22:20.39 | Blapto | It's my first London.pm! |
| 22:20.41 | wethrin | bastard :-P |
| 22:20.42 | Blapto | And thanks andrew___ |
| 22:20.44 | Blapto | AndrewBlack |
| 22:21.53 | AndrewBlack | arika-chan - what are you doing in the carribean that is unfortunate? |
| 22:22.21 | arika-chan | <wethrin> arika-chan: you around then? |
| 22:23.00 | wethrin | AndrewBlack: Not being at a London.pm |
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| 22:36.32 | wethrin | murb! |
| 23:02.16 | JAV | hello! |
| 23:09.09 | Blapto | Night all |
| 23:09.16 | wethrin | nn |