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| 07:54.37 | George | apparently I have an "interesting mind" |
| 07:54.49 | George | I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or an insult |
| 07:58.31 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 09:00.15 | mozrat | morning |
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| 09:22.52 | mozrat | hey rhowe |
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| 09:46.42 | mozrat | bleh |
| 09:46.59 | George | moo |
| 09:47.19 | mozrat | George: ! |
| 09:47.27 | mozrat | http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ |
| 09:47.53 | mozrat | I should never have included all of Leeds' nick aliases - he beat me into 3rd place |
| 09:48.05 | George | lol |
| 09:48.19 | George | damn, I need to talk more |
| 09:48.25 | mozrat | please don't |
| 09:48.31 | George | whyever not? |
| 09:48.39 | mozrat | multiple reasons |
| 09:49.01 | mozrat | I need to alias SlayerXP and SlammerXP |
| 09:49.01 | George | George is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 22 times. |
| 09:49.02 | George | haha |
| 09:50.34 | mozrat | :) |
| 09:50.46 | George | that's because I always attack AngelChild |
| 09:51.16 | George | mozrat: the url for my name isn't right |
| 09:51.22 | George | mozrat: it's pointing to blog.wright.org.uk |
| 09:51.33 | George | besides, I'd rather it pointed to gwright.org.uk, not the blog bit |
| 09:51.40 | mozrat | ok |
| 09:52.58 | mozrat | I don't use Slackware |
| 09:53.47 | George | heh. |
| 09:56.04 | George | wow |
| 09:56.07 | George | the entertainer has lyrics |
| 09:57.31 | mozrat | those stats update hourly anyway |
| 09:57.43 | George | moo |
| 09:57.56 | George | I'm siiinnnngging in the rain |
| 09:58.54 | mozrat | those aren;t the lyrics to The Entertainer |
| 10:00.50 | George | indeed not |
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| 10:45.16 | mozrat | hey |
| 10:49.28 | cbz | hi |
| 13:26.29 | Leeds | hi everybody |
| 13:29.15 | murb | 'lo Leeds |
| 13:31.59 | Leeds | so I'm sitting on the ferry this afternoon, as I usually do on a Saturday afternoon, and I see a good combination of clouds, sun, buildings, angle, etc. and wish I had a decent camera with me as opposed to my phone... http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdarcy/125058229/ is pretty much the picture I wanted to take |
| 13:35.35 | Leeds | I also took approximately http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackthought/124871430/ last night, except mine was from lower down - but I did get the single cloud above the IFC tower |
| 13:46.29 | George | http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.92a9817d39355921fce80bd5eac4f0a0/ |
| 13:46.32 | George | ROFL |
| 13:47.11 | JAV | hello |
| 13:47.29 | George | hey |
| 13:47.44 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 13:48.24 | George | Leeds: who's D'Arcy? |
| 13:48.47 | Leeds | George: no idea |
| 13:48.51 | Leeds | morsing: hey, how's it going? |
| 13:49.29 | George | hrmm, ok |
| 13:49.58 | Leeds | Flickr publish feeds for tags - I subscribe to the 'hongkong' tag |
| 13:50.50 | George | flickr seems to be really popular |
| 13:51.04 | George | I like the image gallery on my website. |
| 13:56.14 | Leeds | now there's a plan... clear out 75GB or so from my lvm, then pull out the smallest drive - which is about that size - and replace it with a big drive, say 300GB or so |
| 13:58.01 | Leeds | would cost about $1000 and take my lvm up to about 650GB |
| 14:02.05 | Leeds | is running "md5sum * | md5sum -" a sane way to sum a directory? |
| 14:02.14 | Leeds | assuming no .files |
| 14:04.47 | Leeds | cbz: ? |
| 14:05.55 | cbz | It depends on what you are trying to do, and what you hope to with the checksum afterwards. |
| 14:06.28 | Leeds | to prove that the contents of the two directories are the same |
| 14:06.56 | Leeds | given that the two directories contain only files, and that I happen to know that one is a copy of the other, made about 8 months ago |
| 14:07.25 | cbz | why not just run cmp? |
| 14:08.10 | Leeds | a) does cmp compare directories? and b) they are not on the same machine - they are nfs-ed to each other, but I'd prefer not to throw 4GB across the network for the sake of it |
| 14:09.20 | cbz | a, Yes it does. b, If you want everything to be done locally use rsync with the dry-run option turned on |
| 14:09.39 | Leeds | I did two significant data transfers to Hong Kong last year - in July I brought a stack of DVDs with me, with stuff copied off my fileserver in London, then in January I brought the actual hard drives from London - I want to eliminate the resulting redundancy |
| 14:10.23 | Leeds | rsync is a good call :-) |
| 14:14.23 | cbz | I am full of bright ideas. |
| 14:14.36 | cbz | I see BTs exchange pain continues |
| 14:22.29 | George | Leeds: tar -cvf - directory | md5sum -? |
| 14:23.28 | Leeds | George: the question is, will tar add anything which will change the sum? |
| 14:23.56 | George | shouldn't do |
| 14:23.58 | George | afaik |
| 14:34.07 | cbz | rsync is likely to be faster. |
| 14:35.57 | murb | George: very unreliable. |
| 14:36.07 | George | murb: die. |
| 14:36.25 | Leeds | just as a bonus, the filesystem on one of the machines is on a USB drive, so a bit slow |
| 14:36.33 | murb | George: not yet. |
| 14:37.17 | Leeds | although for some reason things are moving very slowly on the local lvm-ed filesystem as well |
| 14:39.32 | cbz | because it will skip checksumming based on mod-time/file-size, which is the right thing to do in this case. It will also give an indication as to what if anything should be copied over (useful), and the tar thing will only work if both ends use the same form of tar encoding |
| 14:41.59 | Leeds | I'm still using recursive md5sum at the moment... |
| 14:46.34 | cbz | heh |
| 14:48.28 | cbz | Given that that was designed to be cryptographically strong, rather than simply making a good checksum, it should be no suprise that it takes a fair amount of time |
| 14:48.41 | Leeds | nah, it's I/O bound |
| 14:49.51 | cbz | It is also checksumming every file. |
| 14:50.55 | Leeds | right, that's pretty much what I want it to do |
| 14:56.37 | murb | cbz: checksumming probably costs about the same as reading the file. |
| 14:56.40 | Leeds | I do wonder why my lvm is so slow - it's like one of the drives is much much slower than the others |
| 14:56.50 | murb | Leeds: is it on top of raid? |
| 14:57.14 | Leeds | nope, just hda, hdb and sdb - two PATA drives and an SATA |
| 14:57.16 | murb | and do you have sar? |
| 14:57.26 | Leeds | SARS???? |
| 14:57.47 | Leeds | I have no idea what sar is |
| 15:00.12 | murb | system activity reporter or something |
| 15:00.48 | Leeds | I'm using vmstat to watch the io throughput |
| 15:01.01 | Leeds | oh, that sar - I believe SCO open-sourced it while I was there :-) |
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| 15:02.07 | Leeds | evening bluedragon |
| 15:02.20 | bluedragon | evening |
| 15:04.57 | Leeds | how/who are you? |
| 15:05.03 | bluedragon | Peter Childs |
| 15:05.15 | bluedragon | shows I'm board |
| 15:05.25 | Leeds | ah, okay |
| 15:05.44 | bluedragon | not got to the point of joing the channel before |
| 15:06.23 | bluedragon | can't do much here at work we have run out of computers to test on |
| 15:06.35 | bluedragon | everything has been taken over by the live system |
| 15:06.46 | murb | so you are testing the jabber xmpp irc transport instead? |
| 15:06.55 | bluedragon | its difficult to even fix it when it breaks |
| 15:07.37 | cbz | murb: in the rsync case unless -c was used you wouldn't be checksumming every file and so wouldn't be reading it either. I still maintain that since the two are relatively static subsets of each other, you can use other things to tell you whether things are the same |
| 15:07.58 | bluedragon | I just happern to have jabber open so though I would use it |
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| 15:10.06 | Leeds | and... he's gone |
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| 15:12.22 | Leeds | bluedragon: so how would you compare a directory tree on two different machines to see if it's the same on both machines? |
| 15:12.50 | bluedragon | could use ssh I spose |
| 15:13.06 | bluedragon | or maybe ftp what sort of access do you have |
| 15:13.11 | Leeds | without transferring 10s of GB across the network - that is, the comparisons need to be local |
| 15:13.22 | murb | Leeds: lists of md5sums + filenames and sort? |
| 15:13.25 | Leeds | or at least efficient |
| 15:14.26 | Leeds | murb: I'm currently running md5sum on the list of md5sums :-) |
| 15:15.11 | Leeds | simply on the basis that yes, it does make it significantly less 'secure' - but the odds of a collision are still astronomical |
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| 15:15.27 | startxwhite2 | i managed to install gnu/linux on a p133 64mb 2gb laptop. i am running X (icewm). can anyone give any tips about saving RAM *without* compiling the kernel? |
| 15:15.49 | Leeds | don't run X |
| 15:16.26 | startxwhite2 | it is NOT a serve but a light desktop, and i need X! |
| 15:16.42 | George | install more ram. |
| 15:16.44 | Leeds | why do you need X? do you have another machine you can run the X clients on? |
| 15:17.05 | George | get a new computer |
| 15:17.15 | murb | find a smaller X server? |
| 15:17.20 | George | use tinyx |
| 15:17.37 | murb | i rember running X + fvwm and netscape on a 486 with 8mb of ram |
| 15:17.48 | Leeds | now, the question is, is it the SATA drive which is really slow, or one or both of the PATA ones? |
| 15:17.54 | George | run OS/2 |
| 15:18.09 | murb | Leeds: are the PATA drives running with DMA turned on? |
| 15:18.17 | Leeds | yes |
| 15:18.20 | George | os/2 used to be stupidly fast on my 386sx with 4mb ram |
| 15:18.31 | startxwhite2 | the motherboard of that p133 laptop takes maximum 64mb and i do not want to hear from people who go "i remember back in the day X used to run on..." |
| 15:18.46 | George | startxwhite2: run xfree86 3 |
| 15:18.59 | Leeds | I think the first thing I ran X on had 12MB RAM |
| 15:19.33 | Leeds | startxwhite2: seriously... why do you need X, and do you have a beefier machine elsewhere you can run the X clients on? |
| 15:19.34 | startxwhite2 | Leeds: did you read it? |
| 15:22.43 | startxwhite2 | I do NOT have another machine at present and yes I do need X, i ran firefox (or dillo sometimes), abiword, xpdf ands xmms. they all work ok. the only one that gives me a bit of trouble is firefox:it takes ages to start |
| 15:23.19 | George | don't run firefox... |
| 15:24.01 | startxwhite2 | dillo sucks! i rarely use it! |
| 15:24.58 | Leeds | I have trouble running firefox in a gig of RAM... |
| 15:25.15 | startxwhite2 | what about disabling virtual consoles? will i save a bit of RAM, say 1MB, doing so? |
| 15:25.30 | Leeds | really no need for xmms, assuming it's just for mp3/ogg/etc. playing - use a simple command-line tool |
| 15:27.30 | startxwhite2 | the P133 is also used by non-devotees, that is non geeks, windows infidels who can not stand the command line and do not follow HIs Holiness! |
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| 15:31.09 | startxwhite | the P133 is also used by non-devotees, that is non geeks, windows infidels who can not stand the command line and do not follow His Holiness! |
| 15:31.53 | startxwhite | and thy DO need X! |
| 15:32.07 | Leeds | wimps |
| 15:32.33 | startxwhite | wimps no, infidels yes! |
| 15:33.16 | Leeds | hmm... I wonder how I can find out which PV a file on an lvm is |
| 15:33.57 | George | startxwhite2: run embedded konqueror then |
| 15:34.36 | startxwhite | ? |
| 15:35.13 | Leeds | don't expect to run a 2006-era browser on a 1996-era computer |
| 15:35.21 | bluedragon | it depends which web sites you look at |
| 15:37.13 | startxwhite | the infidels were running explorer6 on another P133 w98 box last Xmas and it was not slower than firefox |
| 15:40.01 | startxwhite | explorer6 is not a 1996 browser, functionalty wise was ok but it had one MAJOR flaw the infidels did not mind: no freedom whatsoever! |
| 15:45.20 | morsing | export HOME=/home/morsing/cd1 |
| 15:45.31 | morsing | albert:~# uptime |
| 15:45.31 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.51 | Leeds | woo |
| 15:50.01 | morsing | Leeds: How should I celebrate? |
| 15:51.40 | Leeds | morsing: beer? |
| 15:58.13 | morsing | :) |
| 16:01.05 | murb | Leeds: too cool it down? |
| 16:01.34 | murb | morsing: are you going to Hay? |
| 16:08.54 | morsing | murb: Yes! |
| 16:08.57 | morsing | You?? |
| 16:09.24 | morsing | Leeds: Are you still making holes in yourself or how's that going? |
| 16:09.42 | murb | morsing: arriving thursday evening apparently. |
| 16:09.47 | Leeds | right, that's approximately 60GB freed up |
| 16:09.57 | Leeds | morsing: nope, not been making holes for a long time now - a year or so |
| 16:10.17 | Leeds | well, I still make small holes every now and again to confirm there is no need for ongoing hole-making |
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| 16:12.17 | Leeds | morning pawel |
| 16:12.25 | pawel | Leeds: hi. :) |
| 16:12.37 | pawel | Leeds: how are you doing? |
| 16:13.40 | pawel | new Fedora is nice. |
| 16:14.02 | morsing | murb: Cool. I'll be leaving Friday morning |
| 16:14.23 | morsing | murb: Do you want to meet up somewhere in the afternoon or what are the plans? |
| 16:15.48 | morsing | ibot change 130USD to GBP |
| 16:15.58 | morsing | ibot: Why not? |
| 16:15.59 | ibot | because I don't like you |
| 16:16.11 | morsing | ibot change 130 USD to GBP |
| 16:16.45 | George | ibot moonslap morsing |
| 16:16.50 | ibot | ACTION nabs the moon and broadsides morsing with the sea of tranquility |
| 16:16.50 | George | death death death! |
| 16:16.54 | George | wahooooo! |
| 16:16.55 | Leeds | pawel: not bad... you? |
| 16:17.30 | pawel | Leeds: yeah. moving out of London, not far - Essex. |
| 16:17.39 | George | wow, more than 2 USD to 1 GBP |
| 16:17.41 | George | oh no |
| 16:18.41 | morsing | ibot change 210 USD to GBP |
| 16:19.27 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 16:21.03 | pawel | ibot: change 1 usd to usb |
| 16:21.07 | pawel | ;> |
| 16:22.43 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to hkd |
| 16:36.46 | George | anyone here run OS X on a PC? |
| 16:39.38 | Leeds | bedtime... night all |
| 16:39.59 | George | night |
| 16:47.35 | morsing | Nigth Leeds |
| 17:22.52 | George | fantastic, possibility of working in America this summer |
| 17:24.32 | *** part/#gllug bluedragon (n=bluedrag@jabber.org.uk) |
| 18:04.04 | z00dax | so, how was everyones Grand National ? |
| 18:09.48 | George | HI |
| 18:09.53 | George | :) |
| 18:10.43 | z00dax | hey George, how was your vacation |
| 18:10.56 | George | fine |
| 18:35.23 | mozrat | hey hey hey |
| 18:36.10 | George | mozrat!!!!!!!! |
| 18:36.21 | George | I just looked at the 1.8" hard disk in my X40 |
| 18:36.23 | George | it's stupidly small |
| 18:36.25 | George | I never knew. |
| 18:37.56 | mozrat | hi George |
| 18:38.02 | George | hi |
| 18:38.48 | George | beat that |
| 18:38.52 | mozrat | animation: 9/10; plot 0/10 |
| 18:39.03 | George | grumpy bastard. |
| 18:39.37 | George | fucker. |
| 18:40.07 | mozrat | do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth? |
| 18:40.14 | George | no |
| 18:40.18 | George | I don't kiss anyone. |
| 18:44.05 | mozrat | of? |
| 18:44.20 | George | how the hell am I meant to know? |
| 18:44.24 | George | I'm not omniscient |
| 18:44.56 | mozrat | ibot define omniscient |
| 18:45.22 | mozrat | Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient deity; the omniscient narrator. |
| 18:46.05 | George | ho ho ho |
| 18:46.09 | George | you lose. |
| 18:47.18 | George | http://www.last.fm/user/wrightg/ |
| 18:47.21 | George | I really do listen to crap |
| 18:48.50 | mozrat | wow you have an old mans taste in music |
| 18:49.10 | George | what?? |
| 18:50.20 | mozrat | you.. have.. an.. old mans... taste.. in music |
| 18:50.45 | George | piece of shit fell apart ;) |
| 18:50.51 | mozrat | *click* |
| 18:51.04 | George | mozrat: have you ever been shot? |
| 18:51.22 | mozrat | nope |
| 18:52.18 | mozrat | as a very general rule, people who get shot have pieces missing or are dead |
| 18:52.22 | mozrat | or are very very lucky |
| 18:54.40 | George | mozrat: oh, I could have sworn you were missing some cerebral tissue |
| 18:54.42 | cbz | evening |
| 18:55.46 | mozrat | George: ID10T |
| 18:55.50 | mozrat | cbz: Hello |
| 18:55.57 | George | mozrat: love you too |
| 18:57.02 | cbz | Hello mozrat |
| 18:57.07 | cbz | How's it going? |
| 18:57.17 | George | don't talk to mozrat! he's mean :( |
| 18:57.25 | mozrat | cbz: pretty good mate |
| 18:57.36 | mozrat | cbz, are you registered with nickserv ? |
| 18:57.57 | George | hrmmph, mozrat wants to take that conversation private |
| 18:58.16 | mozrat | lol |
| 18:58.20 | cbz | Yes I am. |
| 18:58.54 | mozrat | George: what are you doing with your hosted server now? |
| 18:58.55 | George | I think after writing his symophny no 41, mozrat's become a bit big headed |
| 18:58.59 | George | mozrat: my vm? |
| 18:59.04 | George | mozrat: running irssi on it. |
| 19:00.05 | mozrat | thats all? |
| 19:00.08 | George | yes |
| 19:00.22 | mozrat | oh |
| 19:00.26 | mozrat | bit of a waste? |
| 19:00.26 | George | why? |
| 19:00.30 | George | waste? of what? |
| 19:00.35 | mozrat | a vm |
| 19:00.39 | George | well |
| 19:00.39 | mozrat | do *something* with it |
| 19:00.43 | George | like WHAT? |
| 19:00.55 | mozrat | I dunno |
| 19:01.04 | George | I've got 100Mbits of bandwidth I can't use |
| 19:01.20 | cbz | Provide a service to the community. |
| 19:01.25 | George | like what? |
| 19:01.39 | cbz | I have no idea, what do you use computers for? |
| 19:01.47 | George | good question |
| 19:01.51 | George | nobody really knows |
| 19:02.01 | cbz | A good question to ask people who constantly change distro, yes ;) |
| 19:02.03 | mozrat | annoying people |
| 19:02.12 | George | indeed |
| 19:02.55 | mozrat | he excels at that |
| 19:03.30 | mozrat | cbz: have you seen http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ ? |
| 19:03.42 | cbz | if you flush, eventually it goes away. |
| 19:04.00 | mozrat | that page demonstrates what George does |
| 19:05.12 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 19:05.27 | mozrat | mozrat |
| 19:05.30 | mozrat | ah fuck |
| 19:05.33 | mozrat | morsing! |
| 19:05.46 | cbz | hi morsing |
| 19:05.47 | morsing | How's the missus? |
| 19:05.50 | morsing | cbz! |
| 19:05.57 | mozrat | She's good - 2 black eyes |
| 19:05.59 | mozrat | swollen nose |
| 19:06.06 | mozrat | scraped chin and lip |
| 19:06.37 | mozrat | apart from that all good |
| 19:06.40 | morsing | mozrat: Is that George in the black with the penguin? |
| 19:06.43 | mozrat | did you go to London.pm ? |
| 19:06.52 | mozrat | I think so |
| 19:06.53 | morsing | mozrat: No |
| 19:07.13 | morsing | Love the photo of you pooling :D |
| 19:07.27 | mozrat | :) |
| 19:07.33 | cbz | your missus in an accident? |
| 19:07.40 | mozrat | morsing: come to GLLUG on the 18th |
| 19:07.49 | mozrat | cbz: fell down the stairs on Thursday |
| 19:07.54 | cbz | eek |
| 19:08.01 | mozrat | top to bottom using only her face and gravity to get to the bottom :) |
| 19:08.08 | cbz | gah |
| 19:08.30 | mozrat | impressively swollen face, but luckily her nose is straight |
| 19:08.40 | mozrat | and she'll be fine in a week or so |
| 19:09.01 | morsing | mozrat: I think I'll be at mini-lbw in Wales... |
| 19:09.22 | mozrat | when is that? |
| 19:09.32 | morsing | mozrat: What size photo do you want for that page? |
| 19:09.39 | morsing | mozrat: Easter weekend? |
| 19:09.47 | mozrat | morsing: I'll resize it to 400x* |
| 19:09.54 | mozrat | sorry, 300x* |
| 19:10.05 | mozrat | morsing: you won't be back by Tuesday? |
| 19:10.17 | morsing | mozrat: Yes |
| 19:10.26 | morsing | Oh god, is it a week day? |
| 19:10.30 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 19:10.39 | mozrat | yep |
| 19:10.50 | mozrat | there is one on the Tuesday, one on the Saturday |
| 19:11.31 | morsing | Heeyyy - I made it into "Big numbers" for the first time :) |
| 19:11.59 | morsing | morsing can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 17 times. |
| 19:11.59 | mozrat | :) |
| 19:12.05 | morsing | The loudest one was morsing, who yelled 18.9% of the time! |
| 19:12.06 | morsing | :D |
| 19:12.25 | morsing | WHAT THE *** IS IT TALKING ABOUT!?!? |
| 19:12.40 | morsing | s/***/****/ |
| 19:13.23 | George | morsing: yes, it's me |
| 19:13.36 | morsing | George: You're really cute |
| 19:14.00 | mozrat | morsing: yeah, if I were a teenage girl, or a really old man in a dirty raincoat I'd be tempted |
| 19:14.14 | morsing | mozrat: :D |
| 19:14.29 | George | morsing: what? |
| 19:14.34 | morsing | mozrat: What happened to some of the old guys here like SpudUlike and Tarragon? |
| 19:15.04 | George | morsing: are you gay? |
| 19:15.14 | morsing | George: No - but I am winding you up |
| 19:15.19 | mozrat | I dunno. I saw Tarragon at LWCE |
| 19:15.33 | morsing | mozrat: What was his excuse? |
| 19:15.38 | George | morsing: sick bastard. |
| 19:15.57 | George | mozrat too |
| 19:16.50 | mozrat | morsing: I dunno. I foolishly lied and said I would admin the GLLUG website. This was in August |
| 19:16.59 | mozrat | I have done something with it now |
| 19:17.12 | mozrat | morsing: send me a photo of you then |
| 19:17.17 | mozrat | ditto cbz |
| 19:18.04 | morsing | mozrat: The URL no longer exists |
| 19:18.33 | mozrat | which? |
| 19:18.39 | mozrat | of your photo? |
| 19:19.28 | mozrat | heh - even though it picks a random quote it gets some good ones |
| 19:19.39 | mozrat | Erwin: "I for one, welcome our insect overlords" |
| 19:20.25 | mozrat | murb: "don't build stuff as root." |
| 19:21.04 | George | I need to maintain my position at the top of the list |
| 19:21.09 | George | I NEED TO BE THE RESIDENT CHANNEL GOD |
| 19:21.16 | George | *ahem* |
| 19:21.17 | morsing | www.gllug.org.uk |
| 19:21.18 | mozrat | s/GOD/DOG/ |
| 19:21.25 | George | indeed |
| 19:21.28 | George | fat pig |
| 19:21.33 | mozrat | morsing: there is something very broken with GLLUGs DNS |
| 19:21.41 | morsing | mozrat: Let me host it... |
| 19:21.46 | mozrat | I asked on the admin list but haven't heard from jason |
| 19:22.16 | mozrat | morsing: http://gllug.beerandspeech.org is the site I want to put up to replace the current one |
| 19:22.52 | morsing | Is it difficult to install Ruby on Rails on Debian? |
| 19:23.13 | morsing | When is there going to be a Debian release where it is a part of the distro? |
| 19:23.35 | z00dax | hey! hey! |
| 19:23.40 | mozrat | z00dax!!! |
| 19:23.45 | mozrat | how are you chum? |
| 19:23.47 | z00dax | mozrat! |
| 19:23.47 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 19:23.59 | morsing | z00dax: Install Ruby on Rails for me! |
| 19:24.01 | z00dax | awrite, picked a winner at the GrandNational! 2 years in a row |
| 19:24.15 | mozrat | nice, win anything? |
| 19:24.38 | mozrat | George: you listen to Hanson????? |
| 19:24.40 | z00dax | mozrat, a bit.... but then i didnt bet much to start with .... maybe next year i should bet a lot more! |
| 19:24.44 | George | mozrat: hohoho |
| 19:24.49 | z00dax | morsing, humm... why ? |
| 19:25.06 | z00dax | Ruby on Rails is way too perl'ish to be of any real use to anyone |
| 19:25.55 | mozrat | I don't like any languages that don't start with the letter "p" |
| 19:29.35 | George | mozrat: well... you suck |
| 19:30.08 | z00dax | mozrat, C ? C++ ? |
| 19:30.15 | George | C+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 19:30.39 | mozrat | z00dax: well - yeah. They are fine but I can't code in them |
| 19:30.54 | George | mozrat: whyever not? |
| 19:30.58 | mozrat | I get by in all 3 that start with the letter "p" |
| 19:31.07 | George | pascal? |
| 19:31.14 | z00dax | (pascal)++ |
| 19:31.22 | George | perl, python and pascal? |
| 19:31.29 | mozrat | George: lack of practice, applicable small easy home-projects to do stuff with it |
| 19:31.37 | mozrat | Umm, no. Never used pascal |
| 19:31.49 | z00dax | mozrat, you should |
| 19:32.11 | George | pascal sucks |
| 19:32.17 | George | mozrat: what then? |
| 19:32.20 | morsing | z00dax: Because I don't know how to :( |
| 19:32.21 | George | perl, python & ? |
| 19:32.23 | z00dax | its, potentially, the most anal language when it comes to syntax compliance. |
| 19:33.12 | mozrat | George: I know PHP but that is 3rd on my list |
| 19:33.22 | George | PHP doesn't count |
| 19:33.26 | mozrat | Python is my favourite |
| 19:33.37 | morsing | z00dax: I have to install it for a customer |
| 19:33.40 | z00dax | morsing, i am sure there are packages that you can apt-get or yum install on your distro ? you need ruby-1.8.2+ i think |
| 19:33.50 | morsing | z00dax: Nope. There isn't |
| 19:34.07 | z00dax | morsing, what distro ? maybe you can use their RoR installer ? |
| 19:34.11 | morsing | z00dax: Ruby yes - Rails no |
| 19:34.17 | morsing | RoR? |
| 19:34.31 | z00dax | RubyOnRails - RoR |
| 19:34.32 | mozrat | wooo - netvibes.com has had an upgrade |
| 19:35.47 | z00dax | morsing, get the latest stable ruby - either 1.8.2 or 1.8.4 -> then get the gems's package ( iirc, its a tarball ) -> install that and use that to install RoR |
| 19:36.06 | mozrat | Ok - I'm off for a while. Have a productive evening all |
| 19:36.13 | z00dax | mozrat, c ya |
| 19:36.17 | morsing | ruby 1.8.2 (2005-04-11) [i386-linux] |
| 19:36.17 | mozrat | morsing: z00dax send me pictures |
| 19:36.33 | z00dax | mozrat, ah! wildo later today |
| 19:36.36 | morsing | mozrat: :( |
| 19:38.14 | morsing | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/329 |
| 19:38.58 | morsing | How unproffesional |
| 19:42.49 | z00dax | morsing, have you installed gem ? |
| 19:45.05 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.12 | morsing | :) |
| 19:45.50 | z00dax | gem install rails --include-dependencies |
| 19:45.51 | morsing | P of P! |
| 19:45.54 | z00dax | thats all you need |
| 19:45.58 | morsing | z00dax: Running at the mo |
| 19:46.06 | z00dax | morsing, cool |
| 19:46.09 | morsing | Local gem file not found: rails*.gem |
| 19:46.11 | morsing | ? |
| 19:46.41 | morsing | Hmm... Some errors at the end?! |
| 19:47.02 | z00dax | what version of ruby are you running ? |
| 19:47.10 | morsing | ruby 1.8.2 (2005-04-11) [i386-linux] |
| 19:47.14 | z00dax | need 1.8.2 or 1.8.4 -> everything else is broken |
| 19:47.19 | z00dax | humm.. |
| 19:47.24 | morsing | Are there any security issues with this? |
| 19:47.33 | z00dax | yes, lots |
| 19:47.51 | morsing | Hmm.. Any documents on how to secure it? |
| 19:48.04 | z00dax | they've had their fair share of CVE's recently - and also the environ is only as secure as the guys writing code for it |
| 19:48.18 | z00dax | not that i am aware of, i just run selinux context's all over the place :) |
| 19:49.24 | morsing | I've never really looked into selinux :( |
| 19:53.03 | morsing | -su: irb: command not found |
| 19:53.05 | morsing | ?! |
| 19:54.59 | morsing | Eh?! What does this mean? |
| 19:55.00 | morsing | bsd:S.0 |
| 19:55.05 | morsing | In 'who' |
| 19:55.41 | morsing | z00dax: So where's 'irb' supposed to come from? |
| 19:57.35 | morsing | z00dax: ? |
| 19:57.41 | morsing | ibot wake z00dax |
| 19:57.42 | ibot | z00dax: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 19:58.43 | z00dax | morsing, apt-get install irb ? |
| 19:59.41 | morsing | z00dax: Done already |
| 19:59.54 | z00dax | that should give you an 'irb' binary |
| 20:00.43 | murb | morsing: what about not building stuff as root? |
| 20:01.40 | morsing | murb: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... |
| 20:04.27 | cbz | fish getting ready here |
| 20:06.21 | morsing | Mmm... fish |
| 20:06.23 | morsing | Cod? |
| 20:06.41 | z00dax | morsing, no idea in that case - irb seems to come from that package. |
| 20:06.47 | JAV | http://theocacao.com/document.page/251 |
| 20:07.31 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc:3000/ |
| 20:07.40 | morsing | z00dax: No I got irb now |
| 20:07.45 | morsing | Check out link... |
| 20:07.52 | cbz | salmon, curried. |
| 20:08.00 | morsing | curried salmon?! |
| 20:08.10 | cbz | fish curry with salmon, yes. |
| 20:09.13 | cbz | chriseb@commanche:~$ dpkg -S irb |grep `which irb` |
| 20:09.15 | cbz | irb: /usr/bin/irb |
| 20:09.15 | cbz | irb1.8: /usr/bin/irb1.8 |
| 20:26.14 | *** join/#gllug zimm2 (n=zimm@AAnnecy-152-1-86-80.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:31.56 | morsing | How do I get Apache to understand fastCGI? |
| 20:34.50 | cbz | define 'understand' ? |
| 20:35.35 | morsing | Well, mod_fastcgi was installed with aptitude but now I need to add 'something' to apache2.conf |
| 20:35.45 | morsing | define 'something' |
| 20:37.55 | cbz | Add it as a handler for some type extension ? |
| 20:38.39 | cbz | should just be a case of linking in the appropriate fils from mods-available to mods-enabled |
| 20:38.45 | cbz | s,fils,files, |
| 20:39.42 | morsing | cbz: huh? |
| 20:40.27 | cbz | Look in /etc/apache2/mods-available and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 20:44.18 | morsing | cbz: When I do aptitude install /var/rails/yourapp/log/apache.log |
| 20:44.23 | morsing | AArrghh |
| 20:44.54 | morsing | cbz: When I do aptitude install libapache-mod-fastcgi it installs something but find -cmin -5 can't find anything |
| 20:45.08 | morsing | It's certainly not in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 20:46.38 | morsing | Package: libapache-mod-fastcgi |
| 20:46.38 | morsing | State: not a real package |
| 20:46.40 | morsing | ?! |
| 20:46.55 | cbz | apt-cache show libapache-mod-fastcgi |
| 20:48.01 | cbz | Look at depends. I suspect what you have installed is the (non-free) fastcgi module for apache1.3 |
| 20:48.22 | cbz | apt-cache search fastcgi and pick one. |
| 20:50.42 | morsing | apt-cache show libapache-mod-fastcgi |
| 20:50.46 | morsing | Gives no output |
| 20:51.26 | morsing | I installed the one suggested here: |
| 20:51.27 | morsing | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/329 |
| 20:51.29 | cbz | Okay - so it doesnt exist in your local apt database. Do a search, pick one and use that instead |
| 20:51.40 | cbz | Possibly the instructions are a tad old |
| 20:52.12 | cbz | Or use an older distro+apache1.3x |
| 20:52.21 | morsing | Another thing: It complains about rewrite keywords in .htaccess |
| 20:52.44 | cbz | You need mod rewrite loaded in that case. Link rewrite.load to mods-enabled |
| 20:55.51 | cbz | it worked? cool. |
| 20:56.53 | morsing | Yes - it works now |
| 20:56.58 | morsing | http://rails.morsing.cc/ |
| 20:57.17 | z00dax | humm... host not found |
| 20:57.27 | morsing | Ahh... DNS |
| 20:57.38 | morsing | ... sce! |
| 20:57.41 | morsing | sec! |
| 20:57.46 | z00dax | yes, thats what most of us use on the intarweb |
| 20:57.58 | cbz | works here. |
| 20:59.17 | morsing | z00dax: Actually DNS is fine... |
| 20:59.24 | morsing | z00dax: Try again |
| 21:00.16 | z00dax | nope. does not workforme |
| 21:04.31 | morsing | Negative caching? |
| 21:06.52 | z00dax | thats what i am thinking |
| 21:18.45 | morsing | Anyone going to this: |
| 21:18.47 | morsing | http://www.santapod.co.uk/e_europe_finals.php |
| 21:21.45 | z00dax | morsing, not me |
| 21:23.42 | morsing | :( |
| 22:17.05 | mozrat | Good eveningthing |
| 22:17.48 | cbz | You leaving? |
| 22:19.32 | mozrat | arriving |
| 22:20.29 | cbz | Ah, assumed you were heer all along. |
| 22:20.37 | cbz | Inasmuch as anyone ever is here |
| 22:51.28 | mozrat | Yes - virtually here I guess |
| 23:48.20 | morsing | mozrat! |