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10:26.19JAVmorning
10:28.22z00daxJAV,
11:12.22Georgemoo
11:23.31Georgewtf.
11:23.45z00daxso you can moo some more moo's
11:24.01Georgeis the royal mail working today?
11:24.06z00daxnope
11:24.14Georgenot for delivering, but are they picking up mail today?
11:24.24z00daxnope
11:24.37Georgeflaming death.
11:24.47z00daxwhy's that ?
11:25.00z00daxbike it over :)
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11:25.43z00daxarika-chan,
11:25.52arika-chanz00dax
11:25.53arika-chan!
11:28.32Georgewhat about city-link?
11:29.11boudiccasdoubtful
11:29.32z00daxGeorge, give them a call - not sure what their setup is like on a Bank holiday, there might be legal issues involved when a non-Govt company, and non essential services, decides to stay working - only some retail outlets are allowed i think
11:29.37z00daxi might be wrong
11:29.42boudiccasbasically everything [except for the emergency services] has shut down for along weekend
11:29.57boudiccas*a long
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11:54.48Georgewethrin: you suck at English, fyi
11:54.50Georgehey Leeds
11:55.16Leedshello
12:06.18Georgehow effective is greylisting?
12:07.21z00daxGeorge, it breaks SMTP
12:08.27Georgeso?
12:08.38z00daxso i dont like it
12:09.02GeorgeI wonder if anyone's ever lost any legitimate email through greylisting
12:10.17z00daxI have, from brain dead Exchange servers. i think exchange 5.5 never did retry properly
12:10.34Georgehrmm
12:10.39z00daxalso, since i prefer email to IM, its nice to get email when its sent over
12:30.34z00daxbtw, what time ETA on Tuesday 18th ?
12:33.52morsingGeorge!
12:33.57morsingz00dax!
12:33.59morsingLeeds!
12:34.04morsingI'm back :)
12:34.25z00daxwelcome back morsing !
12:34.27Leedsevening morsing
12:42.16mozratCan someone with ops modify the topic and insert the word TOMORROW in the appropiate place please?
12:52.56Georgeno
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13:09.23Leedsmozrat: you do it
13:24.44Leedsmozrat: hello!
13:24.50Georgehow do I filter email into various email boxes when I'm using IMAP?
13:24.54Georgeon postfix
13:24.57Georgeie - I want to filter different mailing lists into different folders
13:25.21LeedsI use procmail - I don't know if postfix has any native filtering... I know exim does
13:25.28Leedsand qmail has some
13:25.59GeorgeLeeds: ok
13:30.51GeorgeLeeds: procmail is really crap when it comes to logging
13:31.06Leedsnot at all - it's very good
13:31.10Georgewhere?
13:31.39Leedswherever you tell it to
13:32.56Leedsrtfm
13:43.35Georgeex-girlfriend@some_host.net      554 Get a life and move on.
13:43.35Georgelol
13:49.15mozratsorry guys - was away finding stadium
13:49.29mozrati cant really do it now as im on my blackberry
13:54.19GeorgeOP ME
14:19.52morsingmozrat: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
14:23.54rhoweAnyone else feel a bump then?
14:24.14rhoweIt just felt like there was a slight earth tremor
14:28.43morsingrhowe: In Aylesbury?
14:33.44Georgerhowe: that's god's way of saying "you fucked up george's burger"
14:35.00wethrinfoo
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14:35.28Georgewethrin: op me op me op me
14:35.31wethrinNo :-P
14:35.40Georgewhy not?
14:36.19morsingwethrin!
14:36.31morsingGeorge: Because you suck!
14:36.39*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next event TOMORROW (Tuesday): Jono Bacon (OpenAdvantage) and Ted Haeger (Novell) speaking | There's a Saturday event too! | http://www.gllug.org.uk and http://planet.gllug.org.uk
14:36.43wethrinhi morsing
14:36.44wethrinHow was Haye?
14:36.53morsingwethrin: Fun :-)
14:37.01wethrinRar!
14:37.07wethrinDid you give EvilDave his bottle of whisky?
14:37.19morsingwethrin: I did indeed
14:37.28wethrinWas he pleased?
14:37.33morsingVery much so
14:38.04wethrinHurrah!
14:38.33morsingHay is actually in Wales
14:39.30wethrinYes, it is
14:39.31wethrinJust about
14:39.42GeorgeI don't like you wethrin
14:39.48Georgeyou are a horrible, fat, bald, ugly bastard
14:39.55wethrinoh, shush
14:40.01Georgeheh
14:40.26morsingGeorge: I hate you!
14:41.20morsingwethrin: Are you going to the Gllug meeting
14:41.46wethrinmorsing: I plan to be, yes
14:41.50wethrinWhere is your new job?
14:41.56wethrin(location)
14:46.42Georgemorsing: why?
14:58.12morsingwethrin: Staines
14:58.18morsingwethrin: How do I get there?
14:58.25morsingGeorge: Because you suck!
14:58.53wethrinmorsing: Drive
14:59.13wethrinIf you try public transport, you have to go into and back out of London
15:00.41Georgemorsing: I don't suck as much as wethrin does
15:01.16morsingwethrin: I'm NOT driving in London!
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15:02.19stephanb2hello everybody
15:02.19wethrinmorsing: It's not London. It's suburbs
15:02.33wethrinNear Heathrow
15:02.38wethrinhi stephanb2
15:02.53Georgefatty
15:03.32stephanb2yo wethrin
15:04.09stephanb2i am wondering wether im not better off running 32bit fedora on an amd64
15:04.26morsingwethrin: Is it?!
15:04.30morsingstephanb2!
15:04.31stephanb2so many things are not running on 64bits for the desktop
15:04.41morsingwethrin: Huh!??!
15:04.53stephanb2morsing: yes i know... i hear the sound of defeat in that
15:06.20wethrinmorsing: Yeah
15:06.24wethrinGoooogle Maps!
15:07.23stephanb2morsing: but if i read on every messageboard that x,y,z didnt manage to compile this on 64bits
15:07.32stephanb2morsing: why do i stick to 64 bits
15:07.55stephanb2if im not running a server, using 2GB of ram and stuff ?
15:08.03Georgeibot change 4500 USD to GBP
15:08.42morsingwethrin: Where is this Gllug meet then?
15:09.00morsingstephanb2: 64 bit sucks
15:09.07Georgemorsing: WMIN
15:09.19morsingibot WMIN
15:09.49Leedsrunning in 64 bit mode is - as I understand it - significantly faster, simply from the increase in registers if nothing else
15:10.04Leedson the other hand, I have 3 Althon64 machines, all running slackware 32bit
15:10.31stephanb2:-o
15:11.05stephanb2Leeds: for the same reason as me, or because there is no slack x86_64 ?
15:11.56Leedsa combination... there is at least one slack64 port that I know of, but I don't want to take the risk of instability, cut myself off from 32bit-only stuff, etc.
15:12.28Leedsof those three machines, one is dead and offline in the UK, one is a desktop machine, and one is a new server - the server is the most likely to get 64 bit-ified in the forseeable future
15:12.40Georgemorsing: westminster university cavendish campus
15:12.47wethrinmorsing: Westminster Uni
15:12.53wethrinSame as most Gllug meets
15:13.01Georgemorsing: http://gllug.ukfsn.org/index.php?/archives/11-GLLUG-Meeting-18th-April.html
15:13.05Georgemorsing: READ THE FUCKING WEBSITE
15:13.29LeedsGeorge: CALM THE FUCK DOWN
15:13.46Georgeno
15:13.51rhowehttp://www.nethash.org/
15:14.55Leedsfeb96f262883dfec48c8cfac11de9e17 (current as of 2006-04-17 08:14:43.325086)
15:15.12rhoweHave a look at the webpage source
15:16.03Leedsthanks
15:16.23LeedsI was about to go to bed - that was just what I needed.  Really.
15:16.47Georgerhowe: yuck.
15:17.04rhoweheh
15:17.10morsingGeorge, wethrin: So when did they move the building to Heathrow?
15:17.42wethrinWhat?
15:17.47Leedswhat?
15:17.52wethrinWHAT?
15:18.11GeorgeWHAT
15:18.17Leedsfiglet WHAT?
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15:19.22LeedsErwin!
15:19.23GeorgeGO AWAY ERWIN
15:19.24Leedsg'night all
15:19.28Georgenight
15:19.31LeedsGeorge: don't do that
15:19.32wethrinnn Leeds
15:19.50ErwinMorning
15:20.05ErwinAnyone using Orange? Do they have an EDGE network and how do I enable it? :)
15:20.13Georgeibot 12434-11518
15:20.15ibot916
15:20.54z00daxstephanb2, what are you trying to do w.r.t 32/64bit ( which is not really 64bit anyway )
15:22.37morsing16:01 < morsing> wethrin: I'm NOT driving in London!
15:22.40morsing16:02 <@wethrin> morsing: It's not London. It's suburbs
15:22.42morsing16:02 <@wethrin> Near Heathrow
15:22.59wethrinHeathrow is in a London suburb. Zone 6.
15:23.14morsingwethrin: Yes, so I repeat my question:
15:23.23morsing16:17 < morsing> George, wethrin: So when did they move the building to
15:23.23morsing<PROTECTED>
15:23.41wethrinI said it's *near*, not in :)
15:24.11morsingwethrin: It's IN LONDON. It's not even close to Heatrow and I'm NOT driving there
15:24.12Georgewethrin: you suck
15:24.40wethrinmorsing: Then you can probably do it by about 4 train and bus changes :)
15:24.40z00daxmorsing, where are you driving from ?
15:24.56morsingz00dax: Staines
15:25.18z00daxand where are you going to ?
15:25.26morsingz00dax: Westminster University
15:25.48wethrinGah. You're confusing me!
15:25.55wethrinTake a train from Staines to Paddington
15:26.10wethrinThen Hammersmith & City or Circle Line to Gt. Portland St.
15:26.23morsingwethrin: Why?
15:26.23Georgewethrin sucks
15:26.42morsingwethrin: Ahh... See, that wasn't difficult :)
15:26.47Georgemorsing: we all thought you were going TO staines
15:27.22wethrinYeah
15:27.36wethrinThat's what I thought
15:27.36wethrinFrom Aylesbury
15:27.57z00daxmorsing, get to the closest Piccadilly line station, and stay on that to Russel Sq. then walk it
15:27.59wethrinmorsing: Oh, I lie. Staines might require you to go to Waterloo
15:28.10morsingGeorge: Well, that wasn't my fault!
15:28.28morsingwethrin: Thanks!
15:28.30Georgemorsing: YES IT WAS!
15:28.35morsingGeorge: How so?
15:29.08wethrinmorsing: Yes. Staines goes to Waterloo
15:29.09z00daxmorsing, you should be able to find parking in the Hatton Cross area... leave the car there, then Tube it
15:29.24wethrinSo from Waterloo, take the Bakerloo line up to Regent's Park. Then walk it.
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15:29.36wethrinIt's only about 3 minutes more compared to walking from Gt. Portland St.
15:29.38wethrinhi cbz
15:29.41cbzhi wethrin.
15:29.52cbzWhat's 3 minutes more?
15:30.07wethrinWalking from Regents Park station
15:30.28cbzAnd you get to see the bust of JFK with the little flamey thing
15:30.44stephanb2so then i have another stupid question
15:30.54wethrinThere are no stupid questions. Only George
15:31.08z00daxwethrin, is it > 10 min walk from Russel Sq ?
15:31.14Georgewethrin: you ... suck.
15:31.20stephanb2i asked before how to build on x86_64 pretending im on i386 arch
15:32.07wethrinz00dax: Errr. Probably about 10 minutes. I have no idea where Russel Sq. tube station is above ground, though
15:32.24stephanb2however that doesn't mean that an app built that way would run on x86_64 does it?
15:32.29z00daxwethrin, ah well - I'll let you know when i get there then :)
15:32.39wethrinOkay :)
15:32.48z00daxstephanb2, rephrase a bit - are you building a i386 target or a x86_64 target ?
15:32.51Erwinstephanb2: On my x86-64 system, I have a full set of both 32 and 64-bit libraries (in /lib64)
15:33.32morsingz00dax: Hatton cross by Heathrow?
15:33.57stephanb2yes i formulated my question badly
15:34.04wethrinIIRC, there could well be trouble parking around Hatton Cross
15:34.21wethrinBut that'll take you about an hour to get into Central London. The quick trains take 35 minutes
15:34.31morsingwethrin: murb was being really stupid in Hay. We have about 300 photos of it!
15:34.36z00daxmorsing, its about 5 miles from stanes, or about 3 miles from heathrow.
15:34.44cbzYou went to Hay on Wye, morsing?
15:35.00z00daxcome to think of it - isnt that where the tube stops these days ? in which case you might find it fun locating parking
15:35.08stephanb2i'll take an example. I'm trying to build zsnes for x86_64
15:35.11morsingcbz: Yes
15:35.26morsingcbz: Why didn't you go?
15:35.30stephanb2there is a documented problem with nasm not linking with x86_64
15:35.46cbzHeh, i didn't realise that egllug people were off to the literary festival
15:35.50stephanb2./configure --target i386 doesn't work
15:36.11z00daxstephanb2, write a .spec file - let rpm handle this for you ?
15:36.40stephanb2z00dax: and what rpm will run configure and make ???
15:36.54z00daxstephanb2, err.. yes thats how it works.
15:37.07stephanb2z00dax: i thought that to build an rpm, you had to compile first
15:37.24z00daxsetarch i686; rpmbuild --target i386 <specfile>
15:37.30stephanb2and then tell rpm where make install would have put the binaries, the man pages,etc
15:37.37z00daxstephanb2, humm... noooo!
15:37.47z00daxstephanb2, wait one, i have just the .pdf for you
15:37.49morsingMoo
15:38.14z00daxstephanb2, http://www.gurulabs.com/GURULABS-RPM-LAB/GURULABS-RPM-GUIDE-v1.0.PDF
15:38.25stephanb2z00dax: ooooh aaaargh, so for all the years i have been on fedora (ie rpm based disrto), i have always built with configure make make install
15:38.36stephanb2and I was WRONG :'-(
15:40.18z00daxstephanb2, you get the sources, put them in the right place, then you write a .spec file that tells rpmbuild what to do, then run rpmbuild on that spec file - it gives you a .src.rpm and a .<target arch>.rpm
15:41.30z00daxspecially when you build stuff on multilib platforms like x86_64/i386 or ppc64/ppc or sparc64/sparc32 - rpm can handle a lot of the stuff for you
15:42.39stephanb2z00dax: yeah beacause rpm obviously *knows* when there are 2 versions of the same library (i386 ans x86_64)
15:42.53stephanb2z00dax: whereas "make" or "configure" doesnt
15:44.51z00daxstephanb2, the other way to do this ( and easier ) is to setup a i386 chroot and just build inside there
15:45.09stephanb2z00dax: yah, thats wot i was tod before
15:45.53stephanb2z00dax: what is gonna b harder with rpmbuild? creating the spec file?
15:46.44z00daxstarting from very simple and straightforward ( eg. the time.spec ) it can get exceptionally complex ( eg. the Openoffice-org.spec )
15:47.27z00daxyou need to figure out Rocket Science, sacrifice a Martian Goat and remortage your house, in order to be eligible to understand the openoffice.org spec file
15:48.29stephanb2z00dax: i can feel that zsnes might not be a good choice to learn how to do this
15:48.57stephanb2z00dax: i imagine a command line utility like setpwc, that doesnt depend on many libraries will b easier
15:49.07z00daxstephanb2, try the time pkg
15:49.29stephanb2z00dax: and reverse engineer wot they've done
15:49.45stephanb2z00dax: other advantage, there is a src.rpm for it already ;-)
15:49.52z00daxbtw, if you have about 400 - 600 megs of hdd space to spare, i would really recommend you do the chroot process...
15:50.46z00dax"yum --installroot" will let you build the chroot, and just bind mount /dev  /proc and /sys under it
15:50.59z00daxyou can then use this chroot to play with rpmbuilding as well
15:51.13stephanb2z00dax: yeah im just reading about this for debian 64
15:51.56z00daxerr no
15:52.02stephanb2z00dax: but is actually have another fedora box on i686, can i build on that and install the binaries on x86_64?
15:52.08stephanb2s/is/if
15:52.08z00daxits very different and much easier on Fedora
15:52.23stephanb2:-o ???
15:52.28z00daxstephanb2, yeah that would work - build on 32bit clean and move to x86_64 to install
15:52.35z00daxstephanb2, the sort of thing thats again, much easier with rpm's
15:52.45stephanb2since when is there a reason for using fedora rather than debian ?
15:53.05z00daxi thought you were already on fedora ?
15:53.15stephanb2anyway you've opened my mind to alot of stuff
15:53.24stephanb2without the use of psychoactive drugs
15:53.24z00daxthere are lots of reasons to use Fedora, and rpm is one of those :)
15:53.44rhoweDon't let Martin Brooks hear you :)
15:53.48stephanb2i am starting to gain some pride on using fedora
15:55.18z00daxstephanb2, also if you want spec's to look at - http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/  and http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/lxr/extras/source/rpms/
15:55.37stephanb2z00dax: so, what i should do is a "minimal install" for the chroot + all the development stuff
15:55.45z00daxsome of the rpmforge.net stuff might be a bit more complex since we use macro's to define whats going on - and what distro its building on
15:56.57z00daxstephanb2, yum groupinstall both the main groups 'core' and 'base'
15:57.28z00daxonce you are in the chroot, you can just use yum to pull in more pkgs as you need ( just make sure that your yum config's point at i386 repo's and not x86_64 repos )
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16:00.54mikejwhey guys
16:01.05wethrin'ello
16:01.28mikejwdoes anyone know what time things are starting tomorrow night?
16:01.44GeorgeTIME!
16:02.04mikejw:S
16:05.55wethrinRTFML :)
16:06.51morsingmikejw!
16:06.58mikejwmorsing: lo
16:07.01wethrin1900, apparently
16:07.11wethrinAnyone want a quick pint beforehand?
16:07.13mikejwah thank you muchly :)
16:07.26morsingwethrin: In Staines?
16:07.54*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next event TOMORROW (Tuesday), 1900, Westminster Uni: Jono Bacon (OpenAdvantage) and Ted Haeger (Novell) speaking | There's a Saturday event too! | http://www.gllug.org.uk and http://planet.gllug.org.uk
16:07.59wethrinmorsing: No, in a real place
16:08.21rhoweIs tomorrow the advocacy one and Saturday the one with asterisk?
16:08.31rhoweTLTRTML
16:11.37wethrinyeah
16:11.41wethrinThe RTFTopic
16:18.22rhowehm, then I guess I'll make it to the Saturday one
16:23.14mozratwell - we (west ham) lost
16:23.31mozratbut we sang a lot louder than they did
16:23.57GeorgeHI MOZRAT
16:24.00GeorgeHOW ARE YOU MOZRAT?
16:24.21mozratgood thanks - had fun today
16:24.31mozratnow have the small matter of getting home
16:26.22stephanb2cu guys l8r
16:27.52Georgemozrat: hahahaha
16:27.55Georgemozrat: stranded!
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16:46.38mozratnot quite stranded but the tickets i won are for the 2000 train from Boro and i dont fancy sitting around for another 2 hours
16:46.50Georgeyou won?
16:48.02mozratno - we lost 2-0
16:48.10mozratoh, i won the tickets, yeah
16:48.25mozratfrom the metro newspaper
16:48.55mozrathey, somebody prepended an @ character in front of my name
16:49.03mozrathow kind!
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16:49.20mozratbetter
16:54.14GeorgeNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
16:54.15GeorgeYOU BASTAR
16:54.15GeorgeD
17:07.39mozratwhat?
17:07.50George:'(
17:09.15Georgehttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1941
17:14.39Georgedeviant
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17:18.38Georgeindeed
17:18.41GeorgeI'm VERY odd
17:43.03mozratyou really are
17:43.06mozratodd odd odd.
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18:03.08GeorgeI'M ODD
18:03.10GeorgeODD I SAY
18:03.11GeorgeODDDDDDD
18:03.13GeorgeODDDDDD
18:03.32Georgehi eye69
18:03.35Georgeeye69: I'm odd :D
18:09.57eye69I knew that already.
18:12.17GeorgeRecent estimates say that around a third of all internet traffic is based around BitTorrent.
18:18.25mozratRecent estimates say that around a half of all bollocks spoken in #gllug is based around George
18:18.47Georgeyou suck
18:19.02George:'(
18:29.43mozratphone Childline then
18:31.07George"hello, yes, this nutter called Simon Morris is stalking me."
18:31.14George"yeah, he has a sniper rifle in his hand"
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18:37.38mozratwhat-ho arika-chan
18:41.09arika-chanahoy mozrat-io :)
18:41.41Georgearika-chan: MOZRAT'S STALKING ME
18:41.50mozratat last.... someone sensible to converse with
18:42.06arika-chandon't tell me you've only had George for company?
18:42.16arika-chanpoor mozrat :(
18:44.50mozrati have. its been awful
19:20.46z00daxhello all !
19:23.40z00daxGeorge, ping ?
20:28.17morsingYoiy
20:28.30z00daxmorsing,
20:30.27morsingz00dax!
20:31.16wethrinFoo
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20:47.46wethrinmozrat: ping?
21:22.25Georgehiiiiiiii
21:24.23z00daxhello George
21:38.04GeorgeThe server said: "[SYS/PERM] Unable to process From lines (envelopes), change recognition modes or check for corrupted mail drop."
21:38.08Georgefuck.
21:40.41z00daxGeorge, the normal way of doing things is to test before you deploy in production
21:40.54Georgez00dax: it's been working for YEARS
21:43.50GeorgeFUCKFUCKFUCK
21:46.39Georgeaha
21:46.41Georgefixed it
21:46.45Georgeit was a newline at the beginning of the file
21:46.48Georgehow odd
21:46.58wethrinAhhh. Unix++
21:47.01wethrinWELCOME TO THE FUTURE
21:47.04wethrinpah
21:47.19Georgewethrin: ?
21:47.28GeorgeWHY THE FUCK CAN'T THEY JUST SKIP THE FUCKING NEWLINE
21:47.33GeorgeI MEAN FOR FUCK'S SAKE
21:47.42GeorgeYOU BASTARD
21:48.01wethrinBecause the authors are silly
21:48.23Georgeand why the hell do they have to give stupid, annoying, meaningless, cryptic error messages?
21:48.27Georgepiece. of. fucking. shit.
21:52.18wethrinAre you using Sendmail?
21:52.32Georgeno
21:52.34Georgepostfix/qpopper
21:53.29wethrinHa
21:54.49*** join/#gllug arika-chan (n=angelic@host86-131-36-200.range86-131.btcentralplus.com)
21:55.00Georgearika-chan: why did you change your nick btw?
21:55.02Georgewethrin: ha?
21:55.05wethrinHa
21:55.09arika-chanwhy not?
21:55.24Georgewethrin: bastard, now op me :D
22:06.56Georgewethrin: is it possible to do a masters in maths after doing a bachelors in compsci?
22:15.26rhoweGeorge: If you can demonstrate a decent familiarity with maths, and if you took maths modules as part of the CS degree, I don't see why not. Depends on the prerequisites of individual institutions, I guess
22:15.50GeorgeI wonder if I'll be dead before I graduate :P
22:16.18rhoweGeorge: If insults could kill, you'd be dead already :P
22:16.31Georgeheh
22:16.34Georgewhere's my burger?
22:16.43rhoweI just had gammon
22:16.44rhowemmm, gammon
22:16.51Georgebastard
22:16.57Georgethat said, I had roast beef
22:17.04rhoweAdmittedly, cooking it did take me offline
22:17.08George?
22:17.19Georgetripped over a cat5 cable?
22:17.31rhoweThere's something up with the hob - it trips the residual current circuit breaker
22:17.39rhowewhich took down my gateway
22:17.40Georgehah
22:17.57rhoweAnd caused my main box to shut down, under UPS control (it has a full 2 minutes runtime)
22:18.11Georgerofl
22:18.18Georgewhy only 2 minutes?
22:18.22rhoweHey, it was a 35 quid UPS
22:18.32Georgeok
22:18.39Georgemine gives about 25 minutes
22:18.40rhoweIt has a dual celeron with about 3 drives and 10 fans, as well as an alpha with three drives plugged into it
22:18.57rhoweI don't know how much power they draw, but it's a fair bit
22:19.05Georgegod damnit you weirdo
22:19.24Georgemine's just a single cpu athlonxp with two drives in a raid 1 and 1 fan
22:19.36rhoweUPS Load: 101.4
22:19.41rhoweYeah, it's a fair load
22:19.44George101.4 what?
22:19.50rhowe%
22:19.54rhowe(I guess)
22:20.51GeorgeI somehow doubt that
22:21.03GeorgeBAH HUMBUG TO UNITLESS VALUES
22:21.09arika-chan13
22:21.15Georgearika-chan: mental age?
22:21.21arika-chanyours
22:21.25Georgenah
22:21.40Georgehis name is gregj
22:21.47Georgefunny funny funny
22:22.54rhoweI think it's one of these - http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SC420I
22:23.00rhowe420VA
22:23.17Georgemine's a 1200VA one
22:23.47rhoweWell, aren't you a spoiled little rich kid? :P
22:23.53Georgerhowe: no
22:23.59Georgerhowe: it runs all my father's work email
22:24.06Georgerhowe: he deemed it a necessary company expense.
22:24.10rhoweGeorge: That doesn't count, then
22:24.16Georgerhowe: it's still my server
22:24.33rhoweGeorge: All our work email runs off a 4.6kVA Symmetra RM or something
22:25.08rhowehm, 4kVA, I think
22:26.38rhoweWe should probably upgrade it to 6
22:26.46Georgehttp://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=IS100KH
22:26.51Georgeneed to get me one of those :D
22:27.25rhoweYou'll need a 3-phase supply for that
22:27.35Georgeyeah
22:27.37GeorgeI saw
22:30.42rhoweOne of these would do, too - http://www.ledpowerpro.com/APC40kW.JPG
22:31.26Georgecute
22:31.37Georgethat would power my server for nearly a day
22:31.41rhowe"Nokia - Four Parallel Silcon 225kW UPS"
23:46.25Georgeibot 7.5*18
23:46.26ibot135

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