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00:05.48Georgerhowe: what do you think?
00:06.28rhoweGeorge: MOron
00:06.43Georgeme?
00:06.51rhoweI also think that burger gave me the shits
00:07.04GeorgeROFL
00:07.57rhoweLaugh all you like. You're not the guy with what looks like curry sauce coming out of your ass
00:08.56GeorgeI don't have an 'ass'
00:12.48z00daxI am ok so far
00:13.01GeorgeI have a stomach of steel
00:13.14Georgerhowe: are you sure it wasn't the milkshake?
00:13.23z00daxwhich means ? it'll take about 4 hrs longer to set in.. George
00:13.35Georgez00dax: ?
00:13.43rhoweheh, no idea
00:13.52z00daxGeorge, ur steel stomach, will only hold off such stuff for a few hours longer.
00:13.54rhoweMaybe it was just exposure to George?
00:14.15Georgerhowe: dude, I think it was the exposure to the radiation... we had hundreds of mobiles
00:14.25Georgerhowe: you've got radiation poisoning
00:30.04rhoweheh, fun
00:30.07rhoweJava 1.5...
00:30.23rhoweInteger i1 = 100; Integer i2 = 100;
00:30.31rhowei1 == i2
00:30.40rhoweInteger i1 = 300; Integer i2 = 300;
00:30.43rhowei1 != i2
01:41.35pdrrhowe: ?
01:43.47pdrfor objects you have to use the .equals() method
01:44.36pdrotherwise you're simply comparing references (pointers)
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05:54.16morsing'morning
05:54.48morsingLeeds?
06:13.22morsingOnce this problem occurs, the only way to correct the condition is to power
06:13.22morsingthe system off, unplug the battery for approximately 10 minutes, plug in the
06:13.23morsingbattery and power the system back on.
08:19.59murbperfect.
08:24.24Copemoin
08:24.33Copehello murb :)
08:28.09AndrewBlackHi there. Afraid I got to green man a bit late yesterday, but here are some pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/tags/gllug/
08:34.07mozratMorning
08:35.19mozratAndrewBlack: could you send me the photos in their original format for the gllug site?
08:36.44Copehello mozrat
08:36.48Cope:)
08:36.50mozrathi Cope :)
08:36.59Copethank you for taking us home!
08:37.04mozratYou're welcome!
08:37.20mozratI got a bit lost on the way home, but not terribly
08:37.21Copewilliam asked "where's simon?" when he woke up
08:37.28mozratI took a "different route"
08:37.32Copemozrat: in  the wiggly roads?
08:37.36mozratCope: yes!
08:37.41Copehehehe
08:37.59mozratI ended up on a wriggly road but it said "Winchester 6m" so I just followed it along
08:38.00Copewilliam is about to have a bath
08:38.23mozratWilliam is a lovely young fellow, I enjoyed both of your company yesterday
08:38.26Copemozrat: yes, that's safe enough - head for winchester and you'll see signs for the m3
08:38.33mozratCope: before you go can you op me please
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08:38.54AndrewBlackmozrat: should think so - prob not for a few days ...
08:39.04mozratAndrewBlack: no probs, and thank you
08:40.42*** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next event TBC. Going to happen in late May. However Lonix is on 3rd May. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug
08:41.11*** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat
08:42.12Cope(who has been very naughty twice today!)
08:42.31Cope1) sticking a  video in backwards, causing me to take the vcr apart
08:42.51Cope2) quietly removing every cd from every rack, and making a "tower" of them on  the side
08:43.00Copehehe
08:44.50mozratheh
08:49.50AndrewBlackAnyone know who the guy on right of http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/133174671/ is
08:50.17AndrewBlackHe was trying to get X to run on P133 tosh and declined suggestions like not running a full desktop manager
08:51.24mozratI'm getting asked to sign into Flickr following that URL
08:51.31mozratwas the laptop circa 1979?
08:51.37mozratand about 8 inches thick?
08:52.29AndrewBlacksorry - that is a private one !!!
08:54.15AndrewBlackTry http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/133174214/
08:54.40mozratYes.
08:54.49mozratHe is my "new friend"
08:54.54AndrewBlackHe seemed to be shunning having pictures taken !
08:55.08mozratHis name is "j_carlos"
08:56.04mozrataccording to his mail address - I offered to give him 2 DVDs when he attended on Tuesday and when he wasn't there on Saturday gave them to ldnblk. j_carlos arrived as I was leaving the campus and got upset I didn;t have them :(
08:59.05AndrewBlackmozrat  - would it be OK to upload them to flickr in original res
09:00.31mozratAndrewBlack: actually, you are right, I can just snarf them from Flickr
09:00.33mozratdon't worry
09:00.54AndrewBlackIf you want any higher res then letme know
09:01.22mozratno, the size will be fine. You OK about me taking them for the GLLUG site?
09:08.20AndrewBlacki am happy with that,
09:19.59mozratcool
09:31.02rhowepdr: ?
09:35.14Georgemozrat: hUSH
09:37.09mozrathttp://gllug.ukfsn.org/index.php?/archives/13-What-happened-in-April.html
09:52.44mozratafk
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11:02.29pdrrhowe: ?
11:02.34wethrinHello
11:02.37pdrhello
11:03.00boudiccasseems to be an echo in here this morning!
11:03.01pdrme too
11:03.20wethrinI don't hear an echo an echo
11:03.28boudiccas:))
11:03.36pdranyone go yesterday?  any good?
13:07.30andrew__hi there
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13:11.14ErwinYikes, I've never felt in so bad shape. I walk out to get to Waitrose to get the usual Sunday load of booze, chocolate & crisps, and what do I encounter? 55000 people running the bloody London Marathon.
13:14.31wethrinheh
13:14.49wethrinDoes it make you want to get in shape?
13:15.33ErwinWell, I bought the half-fat dip for my crisps..
13:17.42wethrinIt's a start :)
13:44.49JAVgood afternoon!
14:31.32Georgemeh
14:31.33GeorgeI just woke up
14:34.03andrew__hi there
14:53.08mozratGeorge, what did you get up to yesterday afternoon?
14:59.00Georgenot much
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15:14.34mozratanyone watching the football?
15:24.23Georgewtf is footbal?
16:00.03Leedshello, hello
16:01.39Leedsdoing Mac stuff, managed to completely forget that a) wired ethernet is much much faster than wireless, even if it is 802.11g, and b) that rsync is a good way of copying files between two pseudo-Unix machines
16:02.28Leedswhat it meant was that after a while of fiddling, failing, being slow, umming and ahing, I suddenly got to the point of "it's all going really fast and working really well" - which at that point looked really impressive :-)
16:03.54mozratwhat were you trying to do?
16:06.14Leedscopy a large-ish - 5GB or so - photo library from an iMac to a Macbook Pro
16:07.09Georgeyou've got a MBP?
16:07.34Leedsstarted by doing it over Rendevous^WBonjour, over wireless, which was slow, and stopped about half-way through... twice.
16:07.54Leedsended up doing it using rsync over wired, which was fast and worked perfectly
16:08.38LeedsI don't - Judy, 62-year-old retired dentist, and my closest relative in HK does - she bought it today.  She's the one who got the iMac a couple of months back, and she's now moved from one thinkpad to two Macs :-)
16:09.24GeorgeLeeds: did you rebuke her?
16:10.00Leedswhat for?
16:10.09Georgebuying a mac
16:10.29Leedsas opposed to a wintel machine?  not at all
16:11.22Georgeas opposed to a thinkpad
16:11.49Leedsbesides, I just had a very nice day... lunch at the Peak, then to the beach for a while, then a very tasty and reasonable Thai dinner in Stanley... I was - and am - in a good mood
16:11.54Georgeyou can run OS X on them... just not very legally and/or well :P
16:12.05LeedsI would prefer a PowerBook^WMacbook Pro over a Thinkpad any day
16:12.35GeorgeFOOL
16:12.41Leedsweather at midnight in Hong Kong - 27 degrees, 89% humidity
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16:15.45stephanb2yo
16:15.59stephanb2z00dax ru here ?
16:16.00Georgeey
16:16.03Georgehey
16:16.53stephanb2George: hey it's your day today ;-)
16:17.23Georgehaha
16:19.29mozratstephenb, were you the chap with the headset yesterday
16:19.43stephanb2mozrat: that's right
16:19.56stephanb2u saw me be4 i could send u the picture 4 the website
16:20.08mozratsorry for having no time to say hello - was flapping a bit about the talk
16:20.25Leedshttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06113/683815-37.stm
16:20.32mozratthe phones didnt play very nicely as you saw
16:20.32Georgemozrat: hi
16:20.41mozrathey george
16:20.45stephanb2mozrat: no problem. u did well though. i wonder wot the other dude was supposed to say
16:21.02stephanb2and i liked the questions at the end very much
16:21.12GeorgeI was bored. :P
16:21.18stephanb2i read this "blackhat" report on skype rhowe was talking about
16:21.26mozrathe was going to show a different web based system - it was lucky i brought the asterisk@home image
16:21.46mozratyeah the q and a for both talks were excellent
16:21.55Georgemozrat: why did you salute me?
16:22.10mozratGeorge, because you are worthy
16:22.15Georgehaha
16:22.21stephanb2George: well maybe ure not a voip user yourself + not concerned with telecoms and broadcasting ?
16:22.29Georgestephanb2: indeed
16:23.20stephanb2mozrat: do u know who is the guy with a spanish? accent asking about howto build a call center ?
16:23.51mozratstephanb, i only know him from tuesdays meeting
16:23.59mozratdont know his name
16:25.56Leedsworld's biggest bagel: http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060423015145101
16:26.14Leedsand on that note - good night and have a good rest-of-Sunday-and-weekend, all
16:26.33mozrati could really do with going through the pictures from the pub and putting names to faces
16:26.49mozrati only actually recognise about 10 people from gllug to put a name to a face
16:26.51stephanb2mozrat: maybe doing a contact-sheet for the website would b really good
16:27.03Leedsoh, and why did no-one tell me that HIGNFY had started up again?
16:27.07Georgesomeone should make a dual-sim-carde phone
16:27.08mozratstephanb, it would be, yeah
16:27.13stephanb2mozrat: i have exactly the same problem as u have
16:27.26LeedsGeorge: there are adapters... there are problems with using two at the same time
16:27.59stephanb2mozrat: well if u need some gimp work done, that's exactly my kind of job...
16:28.23andrew__hi there.  
16:28.55mozratstephanb, i might do! i will hold you to that
16:29.31mozrathi andrew
16:29.51andrew__Sitting in the Pembury tavern using their wifi
16:30.19boudiccaspembury as in the place pembury?
16:30.36andrew__possibly but it is in Hackney
16:30.46boudiccasah, right, ty :)
16:31.10andrew__we should have a gllug social trip here sometime
16:31.30mozratandrew, arrange it!!
16:32.00mozratwhats the nearest tube?
16:33.30andrew__Dunno, it is close to Hackney downs NR stations
16:36.21mozratright
16:37.52mozratgerrof
16:39.53stephanb2mozrat: ive got a picture 4 the website btw. DCC ?
16:39.53mozratgerr---ooof
16:40.16mozratstephan, no, im on my blackberry
16:40.49mozratYEAHHHHHHHHH
16:40.52mozratGOOOOOOOOOOAL
16:40.59andrew__you mean you admit to having a blackberry
16:41.38mozratim forever blowing bubbles ###
16:41.56mozratpretty bubbles in the air ###
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16:46.25Leedsfor the record... summer started in Hong Kong about 10 minutes ago
16:46.43andrew__sounds rather accurate timing !
16:47.03Leedsthe first heavy summer thunderstorm hit
16:48.25Leedsit's very loud and very wet out there :-)
16:50.49Leedsanyway, good night for real...
17:04.13andrew__bye
17:54.01ErwinFree burberry cap included? ;)
17:54.15morsingNo - I already had one
17:54.34wethrinHeh
17:57.22morsingmozrat?
17:59.14morsingI was dissapointed by the low 200 attendance
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18:04.01wethrinskugg_: !
18:04.29morsingskugg_!
18:14.18morsingDoes anyone else think that Konqueror using SFTP is Slow?
18:14.59ErwinAlmost anything using SFTP as a filesystem is sluggish
18:16.16morsingErwin: Not a filesystem, I'm just transferring some files
18:16.39morsingWith SCP from the command prompt it's usually fine
18:55.36Copes/SFTP/KDE/
18:56.04Copeerm, and s/as a filesystem//
18:56.04morsingCope: Huh?
18:56.19CopeAlmost anything using KDE is sluggish
18:56.29morsingCope: I know. I hate KDE
18:56.35morsingBloody KDE developers!
18:56.45Copewould have been wizzo to see you
18:58.05morsingI was sad as well.
19:03.54wethrinmorsing: Well, they get people like George to code for it..
19:04.16wethrinCope: You're a Solaris-type person, aren't you?
19:12.26GeorgeKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDE
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19:22.20Copewethrin: yes
19:22.45Copesolaris is ace
19:24.15wethrinRAR. Is the Volume Mangler any good?
19:26.16wethrinHmm. Curious. Putting the same disk on a different controller and cable still causes it to give timeouts
19:26.26Copewethrin: it is excellent
19:26.32Copecommonly referred to as SDS
19:26.40Copethe newer versions are called SVM
19:27.10wethrinFrom reading a little bit about it, it implies that it can automagically increase a RAID5 array in size
19:28.02wethrinIs this true? Or is my instinct for saying it can't be done easily true?
19:30.42Copei think it can be done, yes; dunno about automatically
19:31.12Copeencapsulate raid 5 volume
19:31.13wethrinOoooh
19:31.18Copecreate another raid 5 volume
19:31.20wethrinWell, I'd grow the soft partitions
19:31.21Copeencapsulate that
19:31.27Copethen use growfs
19:31.45wethrinAhh, so I'd have a volume across two RAID5 devices?
19:31.48Copeerm, sorry i mean metaattach
19:31.54wethrinrockin'!
19:31.57Copewethrin: exactly so
19:32.18wethrinDo you know what the SATA support is like? I know it claims that SiL 3112/3114 chipsets are supported. But how well?
19:32.24Cope1) encapsulate raid 5 lun
19:32.27Cope2) create new raid 5 lun
19:32.44Cope3) expand 1st lun by metaattaching lun 2 to lun 1
19:32.48Cope4) growfs
19:33.33Copewethrin: i've not used sata support, but my experience of hardware support in solaris has been positive
19:33.52Copes/a support/a disks/
19:34.06wethringood, good
19:34.31Copesolaris is really really good
19:35.11wethrinYeah. Pity it means I need to get new SATA controllers :)
19:35.23wethrinI've decided I'm now too fucked off with Linux
19:36.05Copehow so?
19:36.08Copewhat's annoyed you?
19:36.51Copewethrin: as for SiL 3112/3114 I can ask around; will you be using 5.9 or 5.10?
19:37.07wethrin10, of course :)
19:37.11Copew00t
19:37.19wethrin9 doesn't support SATA
19:37.22Copei'll ask
19:37.26wethrinThanks!
19:37.32Copei think 9 can/does support SATA
19:37.48Copeperhaps with backported drivers, but I am pretty certain it does
19:37.54wethrinIt's listed on the HCL, anyway, for S10
19:37.59Copecool
19:38.06wethrinWell, the fact that the fileserver keeps crashing on me
19:38.40Copewhat machine is this? the t1?
19:39.12wethrinNay. My fileserver. The T1 will remain OpenBSD, because I don't trust my Solaris admin skills to keep a secure system on the Interweb
19:39.27Copewhat machine is the fileserver then?
19:39.30Copejust a peecee?
19:40.00Copeopenbsd/sparc is ace anyway :)
19:40.13wethrinYeah
19:40.20wethrinAlthough I should be getting an AXi board soon
19:40.49Copeso what sata controllers are you useing now?
19:41.01Copes/ei/e/
19:41.07wethrinPromise TX4
19:41.21wethrinSupported under FreeBSD (maybe other BSDs too)
19:41.26wethrinAnd sort-of under Linux
19:42.08wethrinBTW, if I put PCI SATA controllers (designed for PCs) into a Solaris/SPARC system, will they work, or will I need to fight with OpenFirmware?
19:43.12Copethey'll probably work
19:43.17Copesuck it and see
19:43.29Copeyou should keep OBP up-to-date anyway
19:43.43wethrinWhich requires installing the OS, doesn't it? :)
19:44.01wethrinI need to do that on my E4k; two of the 6 boards have an older OBP
19:45.19Copeso where does the sil3112 come into it?
19:45.57wethrinSIL3112 is the SATA chipset supported by Solaris
19:46.10wethrinAnd by extension, I think the 3114, which is the 4-port version
19:46.26Coperight... so you are thinkig of getting a controller with this chipset
19:46.33wethrinYeah
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20:19.19mozrathi highbury
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20:36.13highburyhi mozrat, how did the talks all go? sorry I wasn't able to make it :-(
20:40.18mozrathighbury: Shane Coughlan was an excellent speaker
20:40.32mozratwent on for about 30 minutes - the Q&A went on for about another 35
20:40.54mozratwe practically had to cut the Q&A off and it could have went on for later
20:41.16mozratCharles Sibbald was called abroad the night before the meeting
20:41.19mozratand no-one knew :(
20:41.36mozratso I did an introduction to Asterisk mumble and then we headed to the pub
20:41.46mozratbut largely successful - excellent turnout
20:41.52mozratabout 35 people
20:55.13mozrathttp://beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/76-Public-Announcement.html :)
21:03.59morsingSolaris sucks
21:04.28morsingwethrin: It's crap
21:05.34morsingmozrat!
21:05.34wethrinMr AIX
21:05.34mozratmorsing!!
21:05.34mozrathello matey
21:05.48morsingwethrin: Well, believe it or not but I actually know, use and work with Solaris
21:06.03wethrinBut you prefer AIX? :)
21:06.13morsingwethrin: Anyone who knows AIX would prefer AIX
21:06.34wethrinBut, Solaris or Linux? :)
21:09.09morsingLinux
21:12.06wethrinwhy don't you like Solaris, then?
21:25.24morsingwethrin: It's very basic, primitive to use and seriously lacks features
21:25.43wethrinZFS? :)
21:25.56wethrinThe Volume Manager appears to be better than Linux's
21:26.16morsingwethrin: IT IS NOT! Believe me
21:26.40morsingSolaris didn't even have one built-in until very recently
21:26.49wethrinTrue
21:26.59morsingZFS and SVM (which is primitive) are very recent features
21:27.23wethrinYeah, but you just end up with Veritas for real Volume Management :)
21:27.26morsingVeritas volume manager is still widely used
21:27.34morsingExactly
21:28.01mozratmore photos from Saturday http://gllug.ukfsn.org/index.php?/archives/13-What-happened-in-April.html#extended
21:28.31morsingAnd photos from today :)
21:28.33morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/imm.php?STED=VOC_meet&i=11
21:28.40morsinghttp://www.komfortwaggon.co.uk//volvosite/pictures/voc2meet/meet.htm
21:28.40wethrinTBH, out of quite a few people, you're the only one who doesn't like Solaris. But I suppose that's fair enough, if it doesn't do what you want :)
21:29.03morsingwethrin: Out of those people, the other ones don't know AIX!
21:29.33morsingwethrin: It's amazing would you can actually get used to and accept as being "good"
21:29.38wethrinThat's true
21:29.40morsingA bit like Windows users do
21:29.57wethrinwell, one is a Linux, AIX, etc. instructor
21:30.03morsingYou?
21:31.04morsingwethrin, mozrat: What do you think of the photos?
21:35.59ErwinWhy is a turned-off palm Pilot the symbol of "information security" BTW?
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21:38.18JAVmorsing: I have a volvo S40
21:38.30wethrinhi antiphase
21:38.50wethrinmorsing: Will look at the pictures in a minute
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22:21.40mozrathey ldnblk
22:23.13ErwinWell, you can get a 400 ukp dell or a 1500 IBM thinkpad. Or maybe not, they sold out to the Chinese. The thinkpads wer egood & solid business laptops before that
22:23.52antiphasePeople are still buying shitty old laptops off eBay to run Linux
22:23.56antiphaseGo figure
22:24.26ErwinThese days, the dual core intel laptops can compete with any desktop it seems
22:28.06wethrinHow long before the Dell will break down compared with the Thinkpad, though?
22:30.08ErwinWell, what do you want to do with it? Carry it around into dangerous situations? Or just lug it around?
22:31.48wethrinGeneral use. Trying to work out (idly) if it's cheaper across the lifetime of a machine to pay more at the outset
22:34.00ErwinMaybe a pre-Lenovo used Thinkpad. Depends on how much CPU power you need.
22:34.48wethrinJust idly trying to get an idea of a price/year between cheaper and more expensive machines
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23:25.54wethrinfoo
23:26.44Georgehi
23:26.47Georgeusing gprs :(
23:27.26wethrinBah. Why?
23:27.37wethrinmorsing: They pictures are all very nice, but they all seem to have Volvos in them :)
23:28.29Georgewetschool network's died
23:29.33rhoweGeorge: Blaming westminster uni again?
23:30.17Georgeyes
23:30.38rhoweGeorge: If Harrow was a decent school, it could afford an internet connection of its won
23:30.42rhowes/won/own/
23:31.29Georgerhowe sucks
23:32.15resuDaedanyone any good with ghostscript?
23:32.28wethrinIt tends to just work for me, fairly invisibly
23:33.06resuDaedI am combining three ps files into one pdf, but I am missing footers an all pages, and the last three lines of text on the first
23:35.13resuDaedalthough, I have fixed it by outputting to ps, then converting in a seperate step
23:35.21resuDaed(I think)
23:36.14resuDaedI needed a scale cad drawing in an openoffice document, was the only way I could think to get it
23:36.56resuDaedugly fix though
23:37.06wethrinYeah
23:38.25resuDaedprinting in openoffice.org to two seperate ps files, and pringint from cad to a thrid, then combining them in the right order on the command line
23:39.13resuDaedthen converting to pdf because we don't have software available to ps files directly at uni (m$ shop)
23:39.58wethrinAnd you can't install Ghostscript for Windows?
23:40.36resuDaednot at uni, and I don't have cad software for windows (using qcad)
23:41.29wethrinah
23:41.37wethrinShouldn't the Uni provide you with CAD software?
23:42.43resuDaedwethrin : they do, autoCAD, but a) I am more familiar with qcad, and b) it still leaves me with the problem of inserting it midway into a document to scale
23:43.28resuDaedplus I have a bigger flatter monitor, speakers and an mp3 collection
23:44.24resuDaedand font issues that I cannot be bothered to deal with
23:44.33wethrinmm :)
23:45.44resuDaedfor some reason, sending things to my windoze box removes all the minus signs from my formulae and replaces them with boxes.  by embedding the fonts in a pdf, I don't have to worry about it
23:46.00wethrinfair enough
23:51.23resuDaedbetter get ready for work, my alarm has just gone off to get me out of bed... laters
23:51.46Georgez00dax: PING PING PING
23:52.22wethrinbye!

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