00:05.48 | George | rhowe: what do you think? |
00:06.28 | rhowe | George: MOron |
00:06.43 | George | me? |
00:06.51 | rhowe | I also think that burger gave me the shits |
00:07.04 | George | ROFL |
00:07.57 | rhowe | Laugh all you like. You're not the guy with what looks like curry sauce coming out of your ass |
00:08.56 | George | I don't have an 'ass' |
00:12.48 | z00dax | I am ok so far |
00:13.01 | George | I have a stomach of steel |
00:13.14 | George | rhowe: are you sure it wasn't the milkshake? |
00:13.23 | z00dax | which means ? it'll take about 4 hrs longer to set in.. George |
00:13.35 | George | z00dax: ? |
00:13.43 | rhowe | heh, no idea |
00:13.52 | z00dax | George, ur steel stomach, will only hold off such stuff for a few hours longer. |
00:13.54 | rhowe | Maybe it was just exposure to George? |
00:14.15 | George | rhowe: dude, I think it was the exposure to the radiation... we had hundreds of mobiles |
00:14.25 | George | rhowe: you've got radiation poisoning |
00:30.04 | rhowe | heh, fun |
00:30.07 | rhowe | Java 1.5... |
00:30.23 | rhowe | Integer i1 = 100; Integer i2 = 100; |
00:30.31 | rhowe | i1 == i2 |
00:30.40 | rhowe | Integer i1 = 300; Integer i2 = 300; |
00:30.43 | rhowe | i1 != i2 |
01:41.35 | pdr | rhowe: ? |
01:43.47 | pdr | for objects you have to use the .equals() method |
01:44.36 | pdr | otherwise you're simply comparing references (pointers) |
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05:54.16 | morsing | 'morning |
05:54.48 | morsing | Leeds? |
06:13.22 | morsing | Once this problem occurs, the only way to correct the condition is to power |
06:13.22 | morsing | the system off, unplug the battery for approximately 10 minutes, plug in the |
06:13.23 | morsing | battery and power the system back on. |
08:19.59 | murb | perfect. |
08:24.24 | Cope | moin |
08:24.33 | Cope | hello murb :) |
08:28.09 | AndrewBlack | Hi there. Afraid I got to green man a bit late yesterday, but here are some pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/tags/gllug/ |
08:34.07 | mozrat | Morning |
08:35.19 | mozrat | AndrewBlack: could you send me the photos in their original format for the gllug site? |
08:36.44 | Cope | hello mozrat |
08:36.48 | Cope | :) |
08:36.50 | mozrat | hi Cope :) |
08:36.59 | Cope | thank you for taking us home! |
08:37.04 | mozrat | You're welcome! |
08:37.20 | mozrat | I got a bit lost on the way home, but not terribly |
08:37.21 | Cope | william asked "where's simon?" when he woke up |
08:37.28 | mozrat | I took a "different route" |
08:37.32 | Cope | mozrat: in the wiggly roads? |
08:37.36 | mozrat | Cope: yes! |
08:37.41 | Cope | hehehe |
08:37.59 | mozrat | I ended up on a wriggly road but it said "Winchester 6m" so I just followed it along |
08:38.00 | Cope | william is about to have a bath |
08:38.23 | mozrat | William is a lovely young fellow, I enjoyed both of your company yesterday |
08:38.26 | Cope | mozrat: yes, that's safe enough - head for winchester and you'll see signs for the m3 |
08:38.33 | mozrat | Cope: before you go can you op me please |
08:38.49 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
08:38.54 | AndrewBlack | mozrat: should think so - prob not for a few days ... |
08:39.04 | mozrat | AndrewBlack: no probs, and thank you |
08:40.42 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next event TBC. Going to happen in late May. However Lonix is on 3rd May. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug |
08:41.11 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
08:42.12 | Cope | (who has been very naughty twice today!) |
08:42.31 | Cope | 1) sticking a video in backwards, causing me to take the vcr apart |
08:42.51 | Cope | 2) quietly removing every cd from every rack, and making a "tower" of them on the side |
08:43.00 | Cope | hehe |
08:44.50 | mozrat | heh |
08:49.50 | AndrewBlack | Anyone know who the guy on right of http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/133174671/ is |
08:50.17 | AndrewBlack | He was trying to get X to run on P133 tosh and declined suggestions like not running a full desktop manager |
08:51.24 | mozrat | I'm getting asked to sign into Flickr following that URL |
08:51.31 | mozrat | was the laptop circa 1979? |
08:51.37 | mozrat | and about 8 inches thick? |
08:52.29 | AndrewBlack | sorry - that is a private one !!! |
08:54.15 | AndrewBlack | Try http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/133174214/ |
08:54.40 | mozrat | Yes. |
08:54.49 | mozrat | He is my "new friend" |
08:54.54 | AndrewBlack | He seemed to be shunning having pictures taken ! |
08:55.08 | mozrat | His name is "j_carlos" |
08:56.04 | mozrat | according to his mail address - I offered to give him 2 DVDs when he attended on Tuesday and when he wasn't there on Saturday gave them to ldnblk. j_carlos arrived as I was leaving the campus and got upset I didn;t have them :( |
08:59.05 | AndrewBlack | mozrat - would it be OK to upload them to flickr in original res |
09:00.31 | mozrat | AndrewBlack: actually, you are right, I can just snarf them from Flickr |
09:00.33 | mozrat | don't worry |
09:00.54 | AndrewBlack | If you want any higher res then letme know |
09:01.22 | mozrat | no, the size will be fine. You OK about me taking them for the GLLUG site? |
09:08.20 | AndrewBlack | i am happy with that, |
09:19.59 | mozrat | cool |
09:31.02 | rhowe | pdr: ? |
09:35.14 | George | mozrat: hUSH |
09:37.09 | mozrat | http://gllug.ukfsn.org/index.php?/archives/13-What-happened-in-April.html |
09:52.44 | mozrat | afk |
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11:02.29 | pdr | rhowe: ? |
11:02.34 | wethrin | Hello |
11:02.37 | pdr | hello |
11:03.00 | boudiccas | seems to be an echo in here this morning! |
11:03.01 | pdr | me too |
11:03.20 | wethrin | I don't hear an echo an echo |
11:03.28 | boudiccas | :)) |
11:03.36 | pdr | anyone go yesterday? any good? |
13:07.30 | andrew__ | hi there |
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13:11.14 | Erwin | Yikes, I've never felt in so bad shape. I walk out to get to Waitrose to get the usual Sunday load of booze, chocolate & crisps, and what do I encounter? 55000 people running the bloody London Marathon. |
13:14.31 | wethrin | heh |
13:14.49 | wethrin | Does it make you want to get in shape? |
13:15.33 | Erwin | Well, I bought the half-fat dip for my crisps.. |
13:17.42 | wethrin | It's a start :) |
13:44.49 | JAV | good afternoon! |
14:31.32 | George | meh |
14:31.33 | George | I just woke up |
14:34.03 | andrew__ | hi there |
14:53.08 | mozrat | George, what did you get up to yesterday afternoon? |
14:59.00 | George | not much |
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15:14.34 | mozrat | anyone watching the football? |
15:24.23 | George | wtf is footbal? |
16:00.03 | Leeds | hello, hello |
16:01.39 | Leeds | doing Mac stuff, managed to completely forget that a) wired ethernet is much much faster than wireless, even if it is 802.11g, and b) that rsync is a good way of copying files between two pseudo-Unix machines |
16:02.28 | Leeds | what it meant was that after a while of fiddling, failing, being slow, umming and ahing, I suddenly got to the point of "it's all going really fast and working really well" - which at that point looked really impressive :-) |
16:03.54 | mozrat | what were you trying to do? |
16:06.14 | Leeds | copy a large-ish - 5GB or so - photo library from an iMac to a Macbook Pro |
16:07.09 | George | you've got a MBP? |
16:07.34 | Leeds | started by doing it over Rendevous^WBonjour, over wireless, which was slow, and stopped about half-way through... twice. |
16:07.54 | Leeds | ended up doing it using rsync over wired, which was fast and worked perfectly |
16:08.38 | Leeds | I don't - Judy, 62-year-old retired dentist, and my closest relative in HK does - she bought it today. She's the one who got the iMac a couple of months back, and she's now moved from one thinkpad to two Macs :-) |
16:09.24 | George | Leeds: did you rebuke her? |
16:10.00 | Leeds | what for? |
16:10.09 | George | buying a mac |
16:10.29 | Leeds | as opposed to a wintel machine? not at all |
16:11.22 | George | as opposed to a thinkpad |
16:11.49 | Leeds | besides, I just had a very nice day... lunch at the Peak, then to the beach for a while, then a very tasty and reasonable Thai dinner in Stanley... I was - and am - in a good mood |
16:11.54 | George | you can run OS X on them... just not very legally and/or well :P |
16:12.05 | Leeds | I would prefer a PowerBook^WMacbook Pro over a Thinkpad any day |
16:12.35 | George | FOOL |
16:12.41 | Leeds | weather at midnight in Hong Kong - 27 degrees, 89% humidity |
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16:15.45 | stephanb2 | yo |
16:15.59 | stephanb2 | z00dax ru here ? |
16:16.00 | George | ey |
16:16.03 | George | hey |
16:16.53 | stephanb2 | George: hey it's your day today ;-) |
16:17.23 | George | haha |
16:19.29 | mozrat | stephenb, were you the chap with the headset yesterday |
16:19.43 | stephanb2 | mozrat: that's right |
16:19.56 | stephanb2 | u saw me be4 i could send u the picture 4 the website |
16:20.08 | mozrat | sorry for having no time to say hello - was flapping a bit about the talk |
16:20.25 | Leeds | http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06113/683815-37.stm |
16:20.32 | mozrat | the phones didnt play very nicely as you saw |
16:20.32 | George | mozrat: hi |
16:20.41 | mozrat | hey george |
16:20.45 | stephanb2 | mozrat: no problem. u did well though. i wonder wot the other dude was supposed to say |
16:21.02 | stephanb2 | and i liked the questions at the end very much |
16:21.12 | George | I was bored. :P |
16:21.18 | stephanb2 | i read this "blackhat" report on skype rhowe was talking about |
16:21.26 | mozrat | he was going to show a different web based system - it was lucky i brought the asterisk@home image |
16:21.46 | mozrat | yeah the q and a for both talks were excellent |
16:21.55 | George | mozrat: why did you salute me? |
16:22.10 | mozrat | George, because you are worthy |
16:22.15 | George | haha |
16:22.21 | stephanb2 | George: well maybe ure not a voip user yourself + not concerned with telecoms and broadcasting ? |
16:22.29 | George | stephanb2: indeed |
16:23.20 | stephanb2 | mozrat: do u know who is the guy with a spanish? accent asking about howto build a call center ? |
16:23.51 | mozrat | stephanb, i only know him from tuesdays meeting |
16:23.59 | mozrat | dont know his name |
16:25.56 | Leeds | world's biggest bagel: http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060423015145101 |
16:26.14 | Leeds | and on that note - good night and have a good rest-of-Sunday-and-weekend, all |
16:26.33 | mozrat | i could really do with going through the pictures from the pub and putting names to faces |
16:26.49 | mozrat | i only actually recognise about 10 people from gllug to put a name to a face |
16:26.51 | stephanb2 | mozrat: maybe doing a contact-sheet for the website would b really good |
16:27.03 | Leeds | oh, and why did no-one tell me that HIGNFY had started up again? |
16:27.07 | George | someone should make a dual-sim-carde phone |
16:27.08 | mozrat | stephanb, it would be, yeah |
16:27.13 | stephanb2 | mozrat: i have exactly the same problem as u have |
16:27.26 | Leeds | George: there are adapters... there are problems with using two at the same time |
16:27.59 | stephanb2 | mozrat: well if u need some gimp work done, that's exactly my kind of job... |
16:28.23 | andrew__ | hi there. |
16:28.55 | mozrat | stephanb, i might do! i will hold you to that |
16:29.31 | mozrat | hi andrew |
16:29.51 | andrew__ | Sitting in the Pembury tavern using their wifi |
16:30.19 | boudiccas | pembury as in the place pembury? |
16:30.36 | andrew__ | possibly but it is in Hackney |
16:30.46 | boudiccas | ah, right, ty :) |
16:31.10 | andrew__ | we should have a gllug social trip here sometime |
16:31.30 | mozrat | andrew, arrange it!! |
16:32.00 | mozrat | whats the nearest tube? |
16:33.30 | andrew__ | Dunno, it is close to Hackney downs NR stations |
16:36.21 | mozrat | right |
16:37.52 | mozrat | gerrof |
16:39.53 | stephanb2 | mozrat: ive got a picture 4 the website btw. DCC ? |
16:39.53 | mozrat | gerr---ooof |
16:40.16 | mozrat | stephan, no, im on my blackberry |
16:40.49 | mozrat | YEAHHHHHHHHH |
16:40.52 | mozrat | GOOOOOOOOOOAL |
16:40.59 | andrew__ | you mean you admit to having a blackberry |
16:41.38 | mozrat | im forever blowing bubbles ### |
16:41.56 | mozrat | pretty bubbles in the air ### |
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16:46.25 | Leeds | for the record... summer started in Hong Kong about 10 minutes ago |
16:46.43 | andrew__ | sounds rather accurate timing ! |
16:47.03 | Leeds | the first heavy summer thunderstorm hit |
16:48.25 | Leeds | it's very loud and very wet out there :-) |
16:50.49 | Leeds | anyway, good night for real... |
17:04.13 | andrew__ | bye |
17:54.01 | Erwin | Free burberry cap included? ;) |
17:54.15 | morsing | No - I already had one |
17:54.34 | wethrin | Heh |
17:57.22 | morsing | mozrat? |
17:59.14 | morsing | I was dissapointed by the low 200 attendance |
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18:04.01 | wethrin | skugg_: ! |
18:04.29 | morsing | skugg_! |
18:14.18 | morsing | Does anyone else think that Konqueror using SFTP is Slow? |
18:14.59 | Erwin | Almost anything using SFTP as a filesystem is sluggish |
18:16.16 | morsing | Erwin: Not a filesystem, I'm just transferring some files |
18:16.39 | morsing | With SCP from the command prompt it's usually fine |
18:55.36 | Cope | s/SFTP/KDE/ |
18:56.04 | Cope | erm, and s/as a filesystem// |
18:56.04 | morsing | Cope: Huh? |
18:56.19 | Cope | Almost anything using KDE is sluggish |
18:56.29 | morsing | Cope: I know. I hate KDE |
18:56.35 | morsing | Bloody KDE developers! |
18:56.45 | Cope | would have been wizzo to see you |
18:58.05 | morsing | I was sad as well. |
19:03.54 | wethrin | morsing: Well, they get people like George to code for it.. |
19:04.16 | wethrin | Cope: You're a Solaris-type person, aren't you? |
19:12.26 | George | KDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDEKDE |
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19:22.20 | Cope | wethrin: yes |
19:22.45 | Cope | solaris is ace |
19:24.15 | wethrin | RAR. Is the Volume Mangler any good? |
19:26.16 | wethrin | Hmm. Curious. Putting the same disk on a different controller and cable still causes it to give timeouts |
19:26.26 | Cope | wethrin: it is excellent |
19:26.32 | Cope | commonly referred to as SDS |
19:26.40 | Cope | the newer versions are called SVM |
19:27.10 | wethrin | From reading a little bit about it, it implies that it can automagically increase a RAID5 array in size |
19:28.02 | wethrin | Is this true? Or is my instinct for saying it can't be done easily true? |
19:30.42 | Cope | i think it can be done, yes; dunno about automatically |
19:31.12 | Cope | encapsulate raid 5 volume |
19:31.13 | wethrin | Ooooh |
19:31.18 | Cope | create another raid 5 volume |
19:31.20 | wethrin | Well, I'd grow the soft partitions |
19:31.21 | Cope | encapsulate that |
19:31.27 | Cope | then use growfs |
19:31.45 | wethrin | Ahh, so I'd have a volume across two RAID5 devices? |
19:31.48 | Cope | erm, sorry i mean metaattach |
19:31.54 | wethrin | rockin'! |
19:31.57 | Cope | wethrin: exactly so |
19:32.18 | wethrin | Do you know what the SATA support is like? I know it claims that SiL 3112/3114 chipsets are supported. But how well? |
19:32.24 | Cope | 1) encapsulate raid 5 lun |
19:32.27 | Cope | 2) create new raid 5 lun |
19:32.44 | Cope | 3) expand 1st lun by metaattaching lun 2 to lun 1 |
19:32.48 | Cope | 4) growfs |
19:33.33 | Cope | wethrin: i've not used sata support, but my experience of hardware support in solaris has been positive |
19:33.52 | Cope | s/a support/a disks/ |
19:34.06 | wethrin | good, good |
19:34.31 | Cope | solaris is really really good |
19:35.11 | wethrin | Yeah. Pity it means I need to get new SATA controllers :) |
19:35.23 | wethrin | I've decided I'm now too fucked off with Linux |
19:36.05 | Cope | how so? |
19:36.08 | Cope | what's annoyed you? |
19:36.51 | Cope | wethrin: as for SiL 3112/3114 I can ask around; will you be using 5.9 or 5.10? |
19:37.07 | wethrin | 10, of course :) |
19:37.11 | Cope | w00t |
19:37.19 | wethrin | 9 doesn't support SATA |
19:37.22 | Cope | i'll ask |
19:37.26 | wethrin | Thanks! |
19:37.32 | Cope | i think 9 can/does support SATA |
19:37.48 | Cope | perhaps with backported drivers, but I am pretty certain it does |
19:37.54 | wethrin | It's listed on the HCL, anyway, for S10 |
19:37.59 | Cope | cool |
19:38.06 | wethrin | Well, the fact that the fileserver keeps crashing on me |
19:38.40 | Cope | what machine is this? the t1? |
19:39.12 | wethrin | Nay. My fileserver. The T1 will remain OpenBSD, because I don't trust my Solaris admin skills to keep a secure system on the Interweb |
19:39.27 | Cope | what machine is the fileserver then? |
19:39.30 | Cope | just a peecee? |
19:40.00 | Cope | openbsd/sparc is ace anyway :) |
19:40.13 | wethrin | Yeah |
19:40.20 | wethrin | Although I should be getting an AXi board soon |
19:40.49 | Cope | so what sata controllers are you useing now? |
19:41.01 | Cope | s/ei/e/ |
19:41.07 | wethrin | Promise TX4 |
19:41.21 | wethrin | Supported under FreeBSD (maybe other BSDs too) |
19:41.26 | wethrin | And sort-of under Linux |
19:42.08 | wethrin | BTW, if I put PCI SATA controllers (designed for PCs) into a Solaris/SPARC system, will they work, or will I need to fight with OpenFirmware? |
19:43.12 | Cope | they'll probably work |
19:43.17 | Cope | suck it and see |
19:43.29 | Cope | you should keep OBP up-to-date anyway |
19:43.43 | wethrin | Which requires installing the OS, doesn't it? :) |
19:44.01 | wethrin | I need to do that on my E4k; two of the 6 boards have an older OBP |
19:45.19 | Cope | so where does the sil3112 come into it? |
19:45.57 | wethrin | SIL3112 is the SATA chipset supported by Solaris |
19:46.10 | wethrin | And by extension, I think the 3114, which is the 4-port version |
19:46.26 | Cope | right... so you are thinkig of getting a controller with this chipset |
19:46.33 | wethrin | Yeah |
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20:19.19 | mozrat | hi highbury |
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20:36.13 | highbury | hi mozrat, how did the talks all go? sorry I wasn't able to make it :-( |
20:40.18 | mozrat | highbury: Shane Coughlan was an excellent speaker |
20:40.32 | mozrat | went on for about 30 minutes - the Q&A went on for about another 35 |
20:40.54 | mozrat | we practically had to cut the Q&A off and it could have went on for later |
20:41.16 | mozrat | Charles Sibbald was called abroad the night before the meeting |
20:41.19 | mozrat | and no-one knew :( |
20:41.36 | mozrat | so I did an introduction to Asterisk mumble and then we headed to the pub |
20:41.46 | mozrat | but largely successful - excellent turnout |
20:41.52 | mozrat | about 35 people |
20:55.13 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/76-Public-Announcement.html :) |
21:03.59 | morsing | Solaris sucks |
21:04.28 | morsing | wethrin: It's crap |
21:05.34 | morsing | mozrat! |
21:05.34 | wethrin | Mr AIX |
21:05.34 | mozrat | morsing!! |
21:05.34 | mozrat | hello matey |
21:05.48 | morsing | wethrin: Well, believe it or not but I actually know, use and work with Solaris |
21:06.03 | wethrin | But you prefer AIX? :) |
21:06.13 | morsing | wethrin: Anyone who knows AIX would prefer AIX |
21:06.34 | wethrin | But, Solaris or Linux? :) |
21:09.09 | morsing | Linux |
21:12.06 | wethrin | why don't you like Solaris, then? |
21:25.24 | morsing | wethrin: It's very basic, primitive to use and seriously lacks features |
21:25.43 | wethrin | ZFS? :) |
21:25.56 | wethrin | The Volume Manager appears to be better than Linux's |
21:26.16 | morsing | wethrin: IT IS NOT! Believe me |
21:26.40 | morsing | Solaris didn't even have one built-in until very recently |
21:26.49 | wethrin | True |
21:26.59 | morsing | ZFS and SVM (which is primitive) are very recent features |
21:27.23 | wethrin | Yeah, but you just end up with Veritas for real Volume Management :) |
21:27.26 | morsing | Veritas volume manager is still widely used |
21:27.34 | morsing | Exactly |
21:28.01 | mozrat | more photos from Saturday http://gllug.ukfsn.org/index.php?/archives/13-What-happened-in-April.html#extended |
21:28.31 | morsing | And photos from today :) |
21:28.33 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/imm.php?STED=VOC_meet&i=11 |
21:28.40 | morsing | http://www.komfortwaggon.co.uk//volvosite/pictures/voc2meet/meet.htm |
21:28.40 | wethrin | TBH, out of quite a few people, you're the only one who doesn't like Solaris. But I suppose that's fair enough, if it doesn't do what you want :) |
21:29.03 | morsing | wethrin: Out of those people, the other ones don't know AIX! |
21:29.33 | morsing | wethrin: It's amazing would you can actually get used to and accept as being "good" |
21:29.38 | wethrin | That's true |
21:29.40 | morsing | A bit like Windows users do |
21:29.57 | wethrin | well, one is a Linux, AIX, etc. instructor |
21:30.03 | morsing | You? |
21:31.04 | morsing | wethrin, mozrat: What do you think of the photos? |
21:35.59 | Erwin | Why is a turned-off palm Pilot the symbol of "information security" BTW? |
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21:38.18 | JAV | morsing: I have a volvo S40 |
21:38.30 | wethrin | hi antiphase |
21:38.50 | wethrin | morsing: Will look at the pictures in a minute |
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22:21.40 | mozrat | hey ldnblk |
22:23.13 | Erwin | Well, you can get a 400 ukp dell or a 1500 IBM thinkpad. Or maybe not, they sold out to the Chinese. The thinkpads wer egood & solid business laptops before that |
22:23.52 | antiphase | People are still buying shitty old laptops off eBay to run Linux |
22:23.56 | antiphase | Go figure |
22:24.26 | Erwin | These days, the dual core intel laptops can compete with any desktop it seems |
22:28.06 | wethrin | How long before the Dell will break down compared with the Thinkpad, though? |
22:30.08 | Erwin | Well, what do you want to do with it? Carry it around into dangerous situations? Or just lug it around? |
22:31.48 | wethrin | General use. Trying to work out (idly) if it's cheaper across the lifetime of a machine to pay more at the outset |
22:34.00 | Erwin | Maybe a pre-Lenovo used Thinkpad. Depends on how much CPU power you need. |
22:34.48 | wethrin | Just idly trying to get an idea of a price/year between cheaper and more expensive machines |
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23:25.54 | wethrin | foo |
23:26.44 | George | hi |
23:26.47 | George | using gprs :( |
23:27.26 | wethrin | Bah. Why? |
23:27.37 | wethrin | morsing: They pictures are all very nice, but they all seem to have Volvos in them :) |
23:28.29 | George | wetschool network's died |
23:29.33 | rhowe | George: Blaming westminster uni again? |
23:30.17 | George | yes |
23:30.38 | rhowe | George: If Harrow was a decent school, it could afford an internet connection of its won |
23:30.42 | rhowe | s/won/own/ |
23:31.29 | George | rhowe sucks |
23:32.15 | resuDaed | anyone any good with ghostscript? |
23:32.28 | wethrin | It tends to just work for me, fairly invisibly |
23:33.06 | resuDaed | I am combining three ps files into one pdf, but I am missing footers an all pages, and the last three lines of text on the first |
23:35.13 | resuDaed | although, I have fixed it by outputting to ps, then converting in a seperate step |
23:35.21 | resuDaed | (I think) |
23:36.14 | resuDaed | I needed a scale cad drawing in an openoffice document, was the only way I could think to get it |
23:36.56 | resuDaed | ugly fix though |
23:37.06 | wethrin | Yeah |
23:38.25 | resuDaed | printing in openoffice.org to two seperate ps files, and pringint from cad to a thrid, then combining them in the right order on the command line |
23:39.13 | resuDaed | then converting to pdf because we don't have software available to ps files directly at uni (m$ shop) |
23:39.58 | wethrin | And you can't install Ghostscript for Windows? |
23:40.36 | resuDaed | not at uni, and I don't have cad software for windows (using qcad) |
23:41.29 | wethrin | ah |
23:41.37 | wethrin | Shouldn't the Uni provide you with CAD software? |
23:42.43 | resuDaed | wethrin : they do, autoCAD, but a) I am more familiar with qcad, and b) it still leaves me with the problem of inserting it midway into a document to scale |
23:43.28 | resuDaed | plus I have a bigger flatter monitor, speakers and an mp3 collection |
23:44.24 | resuDaed | and font issues that I cannot be bothered to deal with |
23:44.33 | wethrin | mm :) |
23:45.44 | resuDaed | for some reason, sending things to my windoze box removes all the minus signs from my formulae and replaces them with boxes. by embedding the fonts in a pdf, I don't have to worry about it |
23:46.00 | wethrin | fair enough |
23:51.23 | resuDaed | better get ready for work, my alarm has just gone off to get me out of bed... laters |
23:51.46 | George | z00dax: PING PING PING |
23:52.22 | wethrin | bye! |