00:07.01 | JAV | nn all |
00:07.42 | rhowe | siThey get sentto a gmail address, so perhaps |
00:07.49 | rhowe | oh, he's gone |
00:08.44 | rhowe | heh, the idea of a survey where a prize could be given, without collecting any personally-identifiable informatino is an interesting one |
01:09.42 | z00dax | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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06:06.21 | mozrat | Good Morning |
06:06.36 | mozrat | What a fine morning it is! |
06:07.08 | SlayerXP | i can soon sort that out |
06:07.22 | mozrat | Oh |
06:07.54 | SlayerXP | would you like some mindbleach with that? |
06:08.11 | mozrat | Yes please, that was horrible |
06:10.57 | Leeds | hello |
06:11.48 | mozrat | Hi Leeds |
06:12.25 | mozrat | Get any ork done today? |
06:12.50 | mozrat | s/ork/work/ |
06:15.22 | Leeds | a little, yes |
06:16.41 | mozrat | going into the tunnels - bbl |
06:16.58 | Leeds | phones work in the tunnels here ;-) |
06:19.30 | mozrat | yeah yeah |
06:19.43 | mozrat | Not in this country, pal |
06:31.41 | morsing | My god you people are up early! |
06:32.33 | morsing | Hello? |
06:32.37 | morsing | mozzie? |
06:32.46 | Leeds | I think he went into a tunnel |
06:36.21 | Leeds | ibot change 11010 hkd to gbp |
06:36.34 | Leeds | ibot 795.56*1.175 |
06:36.36 | ibot | 934.783 |
06:37.11 | Leeds | compared with 1105GBP - that's prices for a similarly-specced Dell laptop in Hong Kong and the UK |
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06:48.09 | morsing | AndrewBlack! |
06:49.02 | Leeds | it is he! |
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06:54.20 | morsing | CEH! |
06:54.38 | CEH | Hi |
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06:57.23 | morsing | CEH! |
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07:02.19 | morsing | CEH! |
07:11.30 | mozrat | hey morsing |
07:12.15 | AndrewBlack | hi - sorry only 1/4 of my attention is watching IRC |
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07:16.04 | morsing | AndrewBlack, puckman! |
07:28.56 | mozrat | Morning George |
07:29.00 | mozrat | ibot wake George |
07:29.01 | ibot | George: GOOD MORNING!!! |
07:29.06 | morsing | mozrat! |
07:29.12 | mozrat | henrik!! |
07:29.26 | mozrat | Are you well? |
07:29.31 | morsing | Yes |
07:29.56 | morsing | You? |
07:30.04 | mozrat | Very well |
07:30.20 | mozrat | I have consumed 2 slices of toast with peanut butter (crunchy) |
07:30.31 | mozrat | and I am now enjoying a cup of organic white tea |
07:30.36 | mozrat | less milk |
07:30.50 | SlayerXP | you.... you.... you.... suse user, you. |
07:30.55 | morsing | No milk I hope |
07:31.14 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I am by profession, my heart lies elsewhere :( |
07:31.18 | mozrat | morsing: no milk |
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07:47.42 | othermozrat | Hmm, my freeshell host seems to have died temporarily |
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07:48.53 | othermozrat | Morning gregj_ rhowe_ |
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07:49.59 | Cope | jr;;p mozrat |
07:49.59 | morsing | Cope! |
07:49.59 | Cope | hi morsing |
07:50.00 | mozrat | I'm back!! |
07:50.00 | morsing | mozzie! |
07:51.03 | mozrat | hey! |
07:51.04 | mozrat | morsing, Cope, did either of you break Wikipedia this morning?? |
07:51.35 | morsing | I did - sorry |
07:53.00 | mozrat | Has anyone seen the film Primer? |
07:53.26 | morsing | No - no-one has |
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07:56.54 | Cope | mozrat: imdb gives it an ok rating |
07:56.59 | Cope | which is a good sign |
07:57.02 | morsing | George! |
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08:03.00 | morsing | Cope? |
08:03.03 | George | hey people |
08:03.05 | Cope | yes morsing? |
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08:03.27 | JAV | good morning |
08:03.38 | morsing | Cope: You're good at giving advice aren't you? |
08:03.47 | Leeds | bbc programme database up on the web... as much info as they have on every programme they made (and/or broadcast, I'm not sure) since 1937 |
08:04.03 | Leeds | http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/ |
08:04.05 | Cope | morsing: on things I know about, not bad :) |
08:04.10 | George | Copeycope! |
08:05.06 | Cope | hello George |
08:05.46 | George | hey |
08:05.48 | Leeds | they don't seem to have me in their database... but they do appear to have my Dad, so that's okay |
08:05.51 | George | I am clean shaven for once |
08:06.00 | morsing | George: Where? |
08:06.10 | mozrat | George: you were clean shaven on Saturday? |
08:06.12 | George | morsing: on my face |
08:06.15 | George | mozrat: I wasn't actually |
08:06.16 | morsing | George: Good |
08:06.40 | Leeds | they do have Linus... who apparently was on Radio 4 along with ESR and RMS |
08:06.49 | George | mozrat: *hint hint* CUT THAT DISGUSTING GROWTH OFF YOUR CHIN |
08:07.07 | mozrat | George: why? |
08:07.19 | George | mozrat: I think the reason is in my demand :P |
08:07.34 | SlayerXP | http://beerandspeech.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_beerandspeech_archive.html |
08:07.44 | SlayerXP | see "Time Travelled mastered on IRC" |
08:07.47 | George | how do the Pentium Ds compare to the Athlon64 x2s? |
08:08.23 | wethrin | Hello |
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08:08.33 | Leeds | George: not well, I'd think, given that they are single-core 32-bit chips |
08:08.45 | George | Leeds: er. |
08:08.51 | cbz | hi Leeds. |
08:08.57 | George | Leeds: the Pentium Ds are dual core EM64T chips |
08:08.59 | SlayerXP | Leeds: th epentium D is the dual core line |
08:09.01 | morsing | wethrin? |
08:09.06 | wethrin | morsing? |
08:09.12 | SlayerXP | george in "right" *SHOCKER* |
08:09.36 | Leeds | um, you mean Core Duo, then, not Pentium D? |
08:09.40 | SlayerXP | but pentium D chips are fucking expensive, and still slow. |
08:09.43 | George | Leeds: no, I mean Pentium D |
08:09.49 | George | Leeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D |
08:09.50 | SlayerXP | Leeds: he means pentium d |
08:10.02 | Leeds | or an I thinking of Celeron D? |
08:10.08 | George | Leeds: you're thinking of the Celeron D |
08:10.24 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Some time back you recommended an X server for Windows that wasn't Cygwin, but was free - what was it? |
08:10.32 | Leeds | maybe I'm thinking of the Celeron D... |
08:10.32 | SlayerXP | wethrin: xdeep/32 |
08:10.34 | morsing | Leeds: You're thinking of the Celeron D |
08:10.35 | wethrin | Aha. Thanks |
08:10.58 | SlayerXP | wethrin: it's neat and Just Works[tm] |
08:11.19 | SlayerXP | wethrin: I used it as an xdcmp client to my local linux server when I'm in windows |
08:11.55 | Leeds | oh, and apparently the Celeron D - which might be what I'm thinking of - does in fact have Intel's implementation of AMD's 64-bit architecture |
08:12.27 | George | intel's offerings are getting more viable as they seem to be getting cheaper |
08:12.42 | Leeds | so, in short - assuming I am thinking of the Celeron D - it seems I was wrong anyway |
08:12.42 | George | their cheapest dual core CPU is a 2.66GHz cpu for about 80 quid |
08:12.48 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Right. I've currently installed Omni-X, which is commercial but with a free 30-day licence |
08:13.19 | wethrin | (which is enough for the use I'm putting it to) |
08:13.56 | SlayerXP | i never forgave intel for HT |
08:14.02 | SlayerXP | that was just such a con |
08:14.06 | morsing | SlayerXP: Why? |
08:14.15 | morsing | Ahh... |
08:14.18 | SlayerXP | morsing: it made idiots think they had two processors. |
08:14.31 | wethrin | It worked fairly well in certain (limited) circumstances |
08:14.38 | SlayerXP | mainly thanks to dell's marketing department |
08:14.43 | Leeds | heh, the BBC archive has a few mistakes in it, like suggesting that John Hall, computer expert and director of Linux Inc. was on a home improvement show talking about designing interiors on a computer |
08:15.00 | wethrin | IIRC, it was good if you had software that went into IO wait states quite a lot |
08:15.05 | George | isn't it Jon Hall? |
08:15.32 | Leeds | John, according to the BBC |
08:15.48 | wethrin | Bah. Xdeep/32 doesn't work with Windows 95 |
08:15.50 | SlayerXP | Auntie knows best |
08:15.57 | George | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_"maddog"_Hall |
08:16.04 | SlayerXP | wethrin: that's a feature, not a bug |
08:16.11 | George | I think the BBC is wrong |
08:16.15 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Unfortunately I'm currently stuck on a stone-age machine |
08:16.17 | George | http://www.fosdem.org/2003/index/speakers/speakers_maddog.html |
08:17.05 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Does it allow copy/paste between Windows and X, and, more importantly, will it play ball with a Cygwin installation? |
08:17.15 | SlayerXP | wethrin: errm, pass. |
08:17.34 | Leeds | George: I think the BBC is wrong |
08:17.38 | wethrin | Okay. I'll play with it at some point in my copious free time |
08:17.45 | wethrin | Leeds: Surely the BBC is never wrong! :) |
08:17.57 | George | I think I'm wright. |
08:17.58 | George | so there. |
08:19.04 | morsing | 08:45 freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION |
08:19.04 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
08:19.07 | morsing | Huh?! |
08:19.21 | George | lol |
08:19.30 | morsing | What does it want again? |
08:19.33 | wethrin | Aha. Website++ - tells me what I need to patch Windows95 |
08:19.35 | George | what do you people reckon I should upgrade my Athlon64 3500+ to? |
08:19.43 | George | it's struggling to keep up when my RAID's being hammered |
08:19.59 | wethrin | ctcp version gives information about the IRC client you're running, morsing |
08:20.08 | wethrin | George: Get a hardware RAID card |
08:20.17 | wethrin | But it's really not going to be the CPU that's the problem |
08:20.19 | George | wethrin: I'd love to. |
08:20.34 | George | wethrin: but I have about 1TB of ... stuff.. which would need to be migrated |
08:20.38 | Leeds | George: what the fsck are you doing which is generating enough I/O for it to matter? |
08:20.51 | wethrin | The CPU is ridiculously fast for computing parity data, and should pass IO stuff over to the DMA controllers |
08:21.12 | George | Leeds: well, for some strange reason, ANYTHING that hits the disks seems to make for noticeable lag on the computer |
08:21.22 | George | any crude comments about KDE can be sent to morsing |
08:21.26 | wethrin | So get some PCI-E or PCI-X controller cards |
08:21.35 | wethrin | Hmmm.....maybe DMA's been turned off? |
08:21.39 | George | I have no PCI-E or PCI-X slots |
08:21.42 | George | and DMA is on |
08:21.54 | George | hdparm shows about 150MB/s coming off the RAID |
08:22.16 | wethrin | Um. 1.5Gbit? |
08:22.26 | wethrin | Are you sure that's not cached? :) |
08:22.36 | George | apparently. |
08:22.59 | morsing | George: Yay |
08:23.39 | George | Timing buffered disk reads: 450 MB in 3.00 seconds = 149.82 MB/sec |
08:24.27 | SlayerXP | ? |
08:24.30 | George | mozrat: what was that cryptic message you sent me whilst I was sleeping? |
08:25.05 | wethrin | Um. Buffered reads aren't the best indication of raw disk performance :) |
08:25.19 | George | wethrin: I can't be fooked to install any real hdd benchmarking software |
08:25.42 | George | wethrin: and anyway, DMA doesn't seem to exist on SATA drives |
08:26.38 | wethrin | hdparm will do it |
08:26.57 | George | no it won't |
08:27.02 | wethrin | Heh, DMA does exist on SATA drives |
08:27.03 | George | iridium george # hdparm /dev/sda |
08:27.04 | George | /dev/sda: IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 7296/255/63, sectors = 60011642880, start = 0 |
08:27.18 | George | /dev/sda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
08:27.19 | wethrin | hdparm -t /dev/sda |
08:27.23 | mozrat | George: You asked if I was pissed that you had trolled your way to the top of the stats |
08:27.29 | mozrat | I replied "shutit" |
08:27.29 | George | mozrat: :D |
08:27.36 | mozrat | So, not really. |
08:27.52 | George | hrmm |
08:27.53 | George | /dev/sda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
08:27.54 | wethrin | No, it means Linux doesn't have the ioctls to change the DMA settings on the drives |
08:27.58 | George | pasting seems to be a bit fooked |
08:28.17 | wethrin | Because hdparm talks IDE, whereas the SATA subsystem works with the SCSI devices |
08:28.48 | George | the point is that DMA is clearly enabled |
08:28.48 | SlayerXP | George: there's the Mister Pot on line 2 who wants to discuss your ethnic origin. |
08:28.49 | George | so hush! |
08:28.53 | wethrin | However, the drives and controllers have to support DMA. Otherwise they'd be slower than a slow thing |
08:28.56 | SlayerXP | there's a |
08:30.03 | SlayerXP | none of you are even _trying_ abmx out. this isn't good enough. |
08:30.04 | wethrin | gregj! |
08:30.09 | wethrin | abmx? |
08:30.21 | George | wethrin: well, I can write data to the RAID at between 30 and 60MB/s |
08:30.37 | SlayerXP | wethrin: my message-labs like service |
08:32.53 | wethrin | ahhhh |
08:33.01 | wethrin | George: That seems quite reasonable |
08:33.34 | wethrin | Reboot-time! |
08:34.10 | SlayerXP | nice |
08:35.04 | SlayerXP | a one line question, accompanied by an 8 line sig, then a 25 line disclaimers in two labguages. |
08:35.06 | SlayerXP | languages |
08:35.10 | SlayerXP | sent to debian-user |
08:35.10 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I can't get gmail.com to use it and my work already has a solution, sorry |
08:35.21 | SlayerXP | mozrat: well, you suck :) |
08:40.07 | mozrat | SlayerXP: oh, I don't deny that at all |
08:44.18 | mozrat | George: which version of s9y are you on now? Are you going to drop off of planet.gllug.org.uk as well> |
08:48.37 | George | mozrat: I'm on er. something. |
08:48.39 | George | mozrat: latest stable |
08:48.47 | Leeds | George: we all know you're on something |
08:50.30 | cbz | yuh. |
08:50.31 | wethrin | Hrrrrm |
08:50.47 | wethrin | XDeep doesn't want to save its settings |
08:54.47 | George | mozrat: I'm just about to blog |
08:56.12 | George | mozrat: the fat bastard has blogged! |
08:58.53 | George | TFB, of course, being me! |
09:06.26 | morsing | beer |
09:06.33 | George | lemonade. |
09:07.08 | morsing | sausages |
09:07.38 | George | :D |
09:16.11 | Leeds | pizza |
09:16.33 | George | hrmm |
09:16.33 | George | FOOD |
09:17.58 | George | #/win 32 |
09:17.59 | George | woops. |
09:19.29 | George | Cope: I finally replied to your trolling email :p |
09:23.59 | Leeds | win32? |
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09:38.56 | Leeds | puckman! |
09:39.19 | puckman | Leeds! |
09:39.28 | Leeds | puckman! |
09:40.02 | puckman | God windows sucks |
09:40.19 | Leeds | certainly does |
09:41.27 | puckman | Made my Thinkpad dual boot |
09:41.46 | puckman | installed gaim on the windows side, just in case I need it and the fucking thing wont work |
09:42.38 | puckman | hey, anyone got experience with vmware and parallels? |
09:44.26 | Leeds | ooh, I'm thrashing... must be nearly hometime |
09:46.10 | Leeds | hmm... Chinese colleague just said goodbye in Japanese as she left... |
09:53.43 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4949488.stm |
10:00.27 | Leeds | it is, of course, a donor kebab |
10:00.30 | wethrin | groan |
10:00.59 | Leeds | yes, that is what passes for humour in Hong Kong these days... |
10:05.56 | Cope | George: :) |
10:07.17 | Cope | you mean the one that humiliated your puny uptime? |
10:07.36 | wethrin | BCS-- # for a national computing society, they really don't know much about email |
10:08.07 | Cope | the smtp bit? or ettiquette? |
10:08.16 | SlayerXP | wethrin: i manage their mail, oddly |
10:08.26 | wethrin | "Due to the high volume of queries, it may take a long time to respond. Please phone us" |
10:08.29 | Leeds | 'nuff said |
10:08.32 | wethrin | Sent to a mailing list |
10:10.28 | SlayerXP | well sort of. gradwell is their MX, but it all ends up getting passed through an abmx node. |
10:12.19 | wethrin | Yes, but do you just do spam filtering and stuff for them? As I'm sure you wouldn't be doing silly things like sending bounces back to mailing lists... |
10:12.34 | SlayerXP | well, yes |
10:19.28 | cbz | http://www.mantlepies.com/ipods.htm |
10:50.01 | z00dax | in a few days time, its going to be 01:02:03 on the 04/05/06 |
10:50.18 | morsing | Cope: It's fine - I just sent an email to my friend trying to figure out what's going on |
10:50.21 | wethrin | Yes - the Americans thought this was true at the start of this month |
10:50.24 | wethrin | But they were WRONG |
10:50.44 | z00dax | wethrin, yeah, writing the date the wrong way around does not make it right. |
10:51.38 | z00dax | i suppose the 20 in 2006 might be a spanner in the works, but we can safely overlook that. |
10:51.44 | z00dax | mozrat said so |
10:51.54 | wethrin | Well, yes :) |
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10:59.58 | Leeds | I don't know why, but my large packet loss seems to have gone away |
11:00.46 | cpufreak | anyone got any good recommendations for a tape library with ~80TB/month capacity ? :) |
11:00.50 | cpufreak | am getting quotes on ADIC i500/i2000 and StorageTek SL500 already... |
11:02.01 | SlayerXP | get yourself an EMC san instead |
11:02.09 | SlayerXP | you can repsent the entire SAN as a tape drive. |
11:02.18 | SlayerXP | present |
11:02.45 | cpufreak | well no |
11:02.49 | cpufreak | this is to backup a SAN |
11:03.39 | wethrin | SlayerXP: I thought there was no substitute for tape backup? |
11:04.10 | SlayerXP | beyond certain volumes, tape is impractical |
11:05.00 | Erwin | In my new datacenter, we backup the 1T of disk-space via rdiff-backup onto another server. Both have RAID. Ideally we would then backup the backup onto an off-site server... |
11:05.31 | Erwin | But it seemed that a tape solution to handle our needs would be more expensive than our other hw |
11:06.21 | wethrin | Eh. Just use a RAID array |
11:06.27 | Leeds | I use rdiff-backup to a small dedicated fileserver - a snapserver - which is then backed up onto tape |
11:08.43 | Leeds | but I'm talking 10s of GB, not 10s of TB :-) |
11:09.10 | cpufreak | well this would be integrated into our existing Legato platform |
11:09.17 | Erwin | Maybe with the Blueray etc. DVDs... |
11:09.37 | cpufreak | just at the moment in total we're doing about 25TB/month in backup |
11:09.45 | cpufreak | so would require bigger libraries than we currently use |
11:09.54 | cpufreak | so was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. |
11:10.12 | Leeds | cpufreak: you could ask on the list... |
11:10.25 | MacRohard | a whole bunch of 750gb hds. |
11:10.25 | cpufreak | I'm not on the list. |
11:10.33 | Leeds | get on the list :-) |
11:10.40 | antiphas1 | cpufreak: Your name's not down, you're not coming in |
11:17.30 | wethrin | ! |
11:26.45 | Leeds | pizza |
11:29.21 | morsing | beer |
11:29.25 | morsing | "panini" |
11:30.44 | George | MOO |
11:37.34 | morsing | "Ciabata" |
11:38.18 | morsing | mozrat: What's interesting about it? |
11:50.58 | mozrat | hello |
11:51.02 | mozrat | whats that morsing ? |
11:55.33 | mozrat | morsing? |
11:57.29 | mozrat | ibot wake morsing |
11:57.31 | ibot | morsing: GOOD MORNING!!! |
11:57.31 | morsing | Your email? I've never even heard of the guy |
11:57.38 | morsing | ibot: Twat |
11:57.39 | ibot | suck it hard! |
11:57.43 | morsing | ibot ignore mozrat |
11:57.44 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, mozrat!" |
11:57.48 | mozrat | He spoke on Saturday |
11:57.53 | morsing | Ohh.. |
11:58.41 | mozrat | is this the best way to advertise StarOffice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPuKLKgHNI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftvinjapan%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F |
11:58.45 | mozrat | (from puckman) |
12:06.26 | mozrat | Polite notice to everyone I interact with: When I ask you to send me output from a command line utility there is no need to paste it and send it as a word document. Thank you |
12:13.30 | mozrat | :D |
12:15.16 | mozrat | Mmmm, runners stretching off right outside my window |
12:15.34 | mozrat | bah, she ran off |
12:17.19 | morsing | Mmm... stretching |
12:21.13 | mozrat | http://wallpapers.neo5k.de/content/images/wallpapers/suse/suse-021-1024x768.png |
12:23.44 | mozrat | going to walk in the sun, get some fresh air, and find some food |
12:23.56 | morsing | Can I join you? |
12:26.12 | morsing | ping wethrin |
12:29.51 | morsing | What's apt-cron? |
12:30.20 | skugg | W: Unable to locate package apt-cron |
12:30.20 | skugg | E: No packages found |
12:31.17 | skugg | morsing: that would mean that apt-cache on debian stable don't know about apt-cron |
12:49.51 | mozrat | morsing: I'm back now but we could go out again |
12:53.03 | morsing | Yay |
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13:04.23 | mozrat | woo puckman |
13:04.50 | morsing | puckman! |
13:05.37 | puckman | mozzer |
13:05.46 | puckman | feck windows sucks |
13:06.09 | puckman | is like a fucking kids toy show |
13:06.27 | puckman | everything is all over the place |
13:07.38 | puckman | i need to figure out how to boot from usb so I dont have to swap out the internal drive all the time |
13:08.08 | wethrin | morsing: pong |
13:09.42 | morsing | wethrin! |
13:10.10 | morsing | Mark doesn't respond to emails |
13:10.54 | wethrin | When did you email him? |
13:12.12 | morsing | Last week I think |
13:24.10 | morsing | wethrin: What should I do? |
13:25.28 | wethrin | reprod him? Or catch him on IRC (mb; irc.perl.org) |
13:25.45 | morsing | What channel? |
13:26.01 | wethrin | #london.pm, but that matters less, as you can always /msg :) |
13:35.22 | morsing | Check it! |
13:56.02 | mozrat | what is the answer? |
13:57.10 | cbz | Get another job. |
13:57.17 | cbz | Let's start a company. |
13:59.01 | mozrat | cbz: good idea |
13:59.21 | mozrat | puckman knows more than most having worked in this building |
13:59.48 | mozrat | To get a desk in this place I have to tuck my elbows in a squeeze between pucky and another chap |
14:00.09 | mozrat | s/in a /in and/ |
14:00.16 | cbz | pucky? |
14:00.27 | mozrat | s/andsqueeze/and squeeze/ |
14:00.36 | mozrat | keep up, ibot!!! |
14:00.44 | mozrat | cbz, puckman |
14:00.44 | cbz | I hate that - "Developers aren't important, lets keep them in a veal pen" |
14:00.55 | mozrat | Did you??? |
14:01.02 | puckman | yeah, stupid huh? |
14:01.10 | mozrat | er, yes! |
14:01.37 | puckman | I was sick of the evenings, early mornings and weekends |
14:01.44 | mozrat | ah |
14:01.45 | mozrat | yes |
14:01.46 | mozrat | those |
14:01.54 | cbz | Heh. |
14:02.17 | puckman | And sick of a certain someone screaming at the top of her lungs if she was not happy wiith something |
14:02.25 | mozrat | :)) |
14:02.30 | puckman | or the constant playing people off to eachother |
14:02.43 | Cope | :) |
14:02.58 | puckman | but it was nice to work with other people. |
14:03.06 | puckman | Being the only IT guy sucks big time |
14:05.46 | puckman | Hey, I'm helpin someone who is having some problems with his isp, I have a backup of his mailbox, how would I stick that back? |
14:06.06 | puckman | I tried simply putting it back in its original place but no play, I dont have ssh access, only ftp |
14:09.01 | mozrat | what kind of mailbox? |
14:09.03 | mozrat | mbox format? |
14:09.12 | wethrin | mbox just goes back in its original place |
14:09.17 | mozrat | just a single file for the whole mailbox |
14:10.17 | puckman | its a dir with a bunch of files and some more dirs |
14:10.32 | puckman | was an imap account, if that makes any |
14:10.36 | puckman | difference |
14:10.51 | puckman | i have a .Sent |
14:11.06 | puckman | which contains the sent mails in little files |
14:11.15 | mozrat | is there a cur new and tmp folder? |
14:11.19 | puckman | yeah |
14:11.40 | puckman | sorry, only know how to play with mail stuff client side |
14:11.46 | mozrat | Looks like a Maildir folder |
14:11.46 | puckman | so this folder comes from the server |
14:11.50 | puckman | it is |
14:11.51 | mozrat | (like you use on your mailserver) |
14:11.58 | puckman | right |
14:12.08 | mozrat | so, you have SSH access to the server? |
14:12.16 | puckman | nope |
14:12.22 | puckman | only ftp |
14:12.43 | puckman | could I bang it on our server here? |
14:12.48 | mozrat | yep |
14:12.50 | mozrat | could do that |
14:12.53 | puckman | I only need to log on once and pull the mail out |
14:13.16 | mozrat | how did he get a backup of it in that format from an ISP? |
14:13.52 | puckman | the cpanel offers a backup util which tars up the whole user |
14:14.15 | puckman | which you can download via ftp |
14:14.21 | puckman | so I unpacked it and found the maildir |
14:26.29 | Erwin | I'd like to tar up a few of my users, and never unpack them again. |
14:31.26 | antiphase | tar && feather |
14:37.06 | morsing | Can anyone remember the link to the article called "unskilled and unaware of it" that someone posted on the list about two years ago? |
14:37.32 | Erwin | It's the first hit on Goooogle |
14:37.38 | morsing | Is it :) |
14:37.49 | Erwin | And the second. And the third. |
14:38.24 | morsing | :) :) |
14:57.50 | morsing | FUck!? Missiles in the office!!! |
14:58.46 | cbz | ? |
14:58.55 | morsing | Microsoft ones even! |
14:59.00 | cbz | Heh. |
14:59.11 | cbz | When microsoft send people here they always send hotjes. |
14:59.27 | cbz | Wee slinky things dressed to the nines. |
14:59.35 | morsing | Mmm... |
15:02.01 | cbz | They also have the private dining room in one of the nice local restaurants booked out permanently |
15:02.10 | cbz | The devil is persuasive. |
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17:09.28 | George | hi! |
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17:16.58 | George | hey rhowe |
17:17.12 | George | mozrat: I've just got back from Bisley |
17:21.20 | mozrat | oh? |
17:21.36 | George | mozrat: yes |
17:21.51 | George | mozrat: shot 18 rounds at a big fat black target 300 yards from me |
17:36.20 | wethrin | You can be arrested for that in the US |
17:36.27 | George | wethrin: why? |
17:37.00 | wethrin | Think about it for some time |
17:40.08 | George | it's not racist |
17:40.29 | wethrin | :) |
17:46.44 | George | I've got razor rash :'( |
17:47.56 | wethrin | ha |
17:47.58 | wethrin | grow a beard |
17:48.04 | George | no |
17:48.10 | wethrin | bah |
17:50.56 | George | which idiot thought the name "Wii" was good? |
17:51.51 | mozrat | beards++ |
17:52.20 | George | mozrat-- |
17:52.27 | George | I got top score on the range today |
17:53.28 | wethrin | What's this Wii? |
17:53.35 | George | no |
17:53.42 | wethrin | Oh, go on |
17:58.25 | wethrin | So, WTF is Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii? |
17:59.19 | wethrin | Oh, nothing I care about |
18:27.41 | puckman | Mozrat is loving work today! |
18:27.47 | puckman | I can just feel it. |
19:01.59 | z00dax | wethrin, hsbc pays £450/month to call center staff at grade-1, starting wages - in India. |
19:02.16 | z00dax | well, at one of their banches, their banking services guys get more there than they do here in the UK |
19:02.32 | z00dax | s/branches/call centers/ |
19:02.43 | George | s/centers/centres/ |
19:02.44 | z00dax | err. humm |
19:02.52 | z00dax | that too |
19:05.24 | George | :) |
19:05.53 | mozrat | good evening friends |
19:06.48 | z00dax | mozrat, ! |
19:07.01 | George | mozrat: have you ever shot at bisley? |
19:08.58 | puckman | still at work mozzer? |
19:10.23 | mozrat | puckman, on the tube home |
19:10.35 | mozrat | George, Yes - many times |
19:10.40 | mozrat | z00dax, hiyas |
19:10.44 | George | mozrat: which range? |
19:11.21 | mozrat | George, we had this conversation, grep your logs for my answer |
19:11.31 | George | useless |
19:11.35 | mozrat | z00dax, hiyas!! |
19:12.41 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
19:13.08 | mozrat | hey - how are you? |
19:13.27 | z00dax | not bad, chugging along... conditions not changed any. |
19:14.42 | z00dax | and there is news that birdflu is spreading in the UK, which cant be good |
19:16.09 | mozrat | whats a shotfun? |
19:16.21 | George | a funner version of a shotgun |
19:16.32 | mozrat | z00dax, unless you are a bird i wouldnt be concerned |
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19:32.22 | boudiccas | z00dax; my mother lives within 2 miles of where the latest bird flu outbreak has occurred, she's just given me more information about it than is on the news services atm |
19:33.07 | boudiccas | it has occurred in a flock of birds which is kept indoors, not battery hens but 'shed-range' |
19:35.36 | z00dax | as long as it stays with the birds, i dont care really. its when it gets mutated into a human airborn format, thats when i am worried |
19:37.06 | boudiccas | i think that h5n1 is only transmissable by direct contact with infected birds and their urine/faeces, and if they cough on you |
19:37.48 | boudiccas | A Bear, a Lion and a Chicken meet.... |
19:37.49 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
19:37.49 | boudiccas | The Bear says: "If I roar in the forest, the entire forest is shivering |
19:37.49 | boudiccas | with fear." |
19:37.49 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
19:37.51 | boudiccas | The Lion says: "If I roar in the desert, the entire desert is afraid of |
19:37.53 | boudiccas | me." |
19:37.55 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
19:37.57 | boudiccas | The Chicken says: "Big deal - I only have to cough and the entire planet |
19:37.59 | boudiccas | shits itself." |
19:38.32 | mozrat | lol |
19:40.07 | boudiccas | I run a email joke list called 'Stress Busters' which goes out on Thursday evenings, and the aforementioned joke is just a sample of the Stress Busters, would anyone like to be subscribed to it. If so, please pm me with the email address you want to be subscribed with. |
19:41.38 | mozrat | i cant pm you but simon.morris @ cmtww.com |
19:42.04 | boudiccas | mozrat; k, ty |
19:42.12 | mozrat | thanks :-) |
19:42.47 | mozrat | can you fwd me tonights one? |
19:43.27 | boudiccas | moz;k, will do |
19:44.23 | CEH | The chances of mutation of H5N1 into something that's going to really cause problems are really slim (so my biologist brother assures me). |
19:45.39 | boudiccas | mozrat; done |
19:52.53 | George | how many IPs does Plus net supply? |
19:53.31 | George | z00dax: ? |
19:54.02 | z00dax | George, plus.net stinks and sux and is the worst isp ever. they are cheats and liars |
19:54.11 | George | z00dax: ok... |
19:54.12 | z00dax | but they give upto 16 ip's if you want them |
19:54.14 | George | z00dax: in what way? |
19:54.23 | z00dax | George, pretty much everyway |
19:54.40 | George | z00dax: ok, specifics. |
19:54.49 | CEH | I've heard really bad things about plus net. |
19:55.07 | z00dax | they have no idea what they are selling, once they have your contract - they will squeeze you - their support is terrible. they overcharge for everything |
19:55.19 | z00dax | and they change their products every few weeks, and never allow you to change with it |
19:55.38 | CEH | They also lie about useage and so overcharge |
19:55.49 | z00dax | so if you get a 12 month deal where you pay £30 for X, they then reintroduce X at £15, too bad. you pay £30, new people pay £15 |
19:56.28 | z00dax | Zen, however - are a great ISP! |
19:56.35 | z00dax | not cheap, but still good. |
19:56.51 | boudiccas | +net sound like a right bunch of twunts |
19:57.06 | z00dax | take a look at adslguide.org.uk - and their forums.... |
20:04.25 | George | zen don't do 8mbit |
20:04.28 | George | you feckers! |
20:04.32 | z00dax | plus.net dont either |
20:04.35 | z00dax | they just sell it |
20:04.41 | George | doodad |
20:04.44 | George | zen don't sell it |
20:04.55 | z00dax | which is a good thing, you should not sell something you dont have |
20:05.04 | George | they buy it off BT... |
20:05.08 | boudiccas | z00dax; isn't that 'taking a pecuniary advantage'? and illegal? |
20:05.27 | z00dax | boudiccas, yup |
20:05.41 | boudiccas | trading standards should be informed then |
20:05.57 | z00dax | George, yes, but they say - you get into a queue - not that you get 8mb. and they take your money. then a few months later, they say - you are still in queue |
20:06.05 | CEH | Trading standards wouldn't understand! |
20:06.06 | z00dax | boudiccas, i believe they have been |
20:06.08 | George | z00dax: my exchange is enabled |
20:06.21 | z00dax | George, so's mine, and has been for 7 months :) |
20:06.46 | George | z00dax: your exchange has been ADSL Max enabled for 7 months? |
20:06.47 | George | I find this hard to believe |
20:07.04 | z00dax | George, yes - was one of those adsl-max-trial exchanges |
20:07.11 | George | ah. |
20:07.17 | George | you suck |
20:07.22 | z00dax | i know |
20:07.26 | z00dax | i am still at 2mbps |
20:07.43 | George | that... sounded dirty |
20:08.09 | z00dax | there was a time when everyone wrote a .plan and everyone else fingered their accounts for the .plan |
20:08.23 | z00dax | that was how blogs were created |
20:24.01 | George | z00dax: :P |
21:29.09 | mozrat | ho-hum |
21:29.25 | z00dax | anyone for a flood ? |
21:35.08 | wethrin | Go on |
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21:40.49 | z00dax | Dear Mr Singh, |
21:40.49 | z00dax | Firstly, my apologies for the fact that your account was missed as part of the original upgrades. We are currently investigating a problem that was raised whereby a handful of accounts were missed, and yours unfortunately appears to be one of those. |
21:40.49 | z00dax | I have just manually placed a regrade on your line that should complete within the next 24 hours, though due to the lateness in the day it could potentially be delayed until after the long weekend. |
21:40.49 | z00dax | The BT Reference for the order is: 1-BFL77P |
21:41.27 | z00dax | i suppose the last 5 times i complained about my missed-upgrade-to-8mb didnt count.. |
21:41.47 | George | ROFLROFLROFLLOLROFL |
21:42.27 | z00dax | iirc, there is somewhere i can punch in that BT tracking number to see whats going in... was it on samknows.com ? |
21:46.35 | George | no idea |
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22:34.44 | z00dax | simplesimon! |
22:43.59 | George | night zooman |
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