irclog2html for #gllug on 20060427

`00:07.01`	`JAV`	`nn all`
`00:07.42`	`rhowe`	`siThey get sentto a gmail address, so perhaps`
`00:07.49`	`rhowe`	`oh, he's gone`
`00:08.44`	`rhowe`	`heh, the idea of a survey where a prize could be given, without collecting any personally-identifiable informatino is an interesting one`
`01:09.42`	`z00dax`	`zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz`
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`06:06.21`	`mozrat`	`Good Morning`
`06:06.36`	`mozrat`	`What a fine morning it is!`
`06:07.08`	`SlayerXP`	`i can soon sort that out`
`06:07.22`	`mozrat`	`Oh`
`06:07.54`	`SlayerXP`	`would you like some mindbleach with that?`
`06:08.11`	`mozrat`	`Yes please, that was horrible`
`06:10.57`	`Leeds`	`hello`
`06:11.48`	`mozrat`	`Hi Leeds`
`06:12.25`	`mozrat`	`Get any ork done today?`
`06:12.50`	`mozrat`	`s/ork/work/`
`06:15.22`	`Leeds`	`a little, yes`
`06:16.41`	`mozrat`	`going into the tunnels - bbl`
`06:16.58`	`Leeds`	`phones work in the tunnels here ;-)`
`06:19.30`	`mozrat`	`yeah yeah`
`06:19.43`	`mozrat`	`Not in this country, pal`
`06:31.41`	`morsing`	`My god you people are up early!`
`06:32.33`	`morsing`	`Hello?`
`06:32.37`	`morsing`	`mozzie?`
`06:32.46`	`Leeds`	`I think he went into a tunnel`
`06:36.21`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 11010 hkd to gbp`
`06:36.34`	`Leeds`	`ibot 795.56*1.175`
`06:36.36`	`ibot`	`934.783`
`06:37.11`	`Leeds`	`compared with 1105GBP - that's prices for a similarly-specced Dell laptop in Hong Kong and the UK`
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`06:48.09`	`morsing`	`AndrewBlack!`
`06:49.02`	`Leeds`	`it is he!`
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`06:54.20`	`morsing`	`CEH!`
`06:54.38`	`CEH`	`Hi`
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`06:57.23`	`morsing`	`CEH!`
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`07:02.19`	`morsing`	`CEH!`
`07:11.30`	`mozrat`	`hey morsing`
`07:12.15`	`AndrewBlack`	`hi - sorry only 1/4 of my attention is watching IRC`
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`07:16.04`	`morsing`	`AndrewBlack, puckman!`
`07:28.56`	`mozrat`	`Morning George`
`07:29.00`	`mozrat`	`ibot wake George`
`07:29.01`	`ibot`	`George: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`07:29.06`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`07:29.12`	`mozrat`	`henrik!!`
`07:29.26`	`mozrat`	`Are you well?`
`07:29.31`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`07:29.56`	`morsing`	`You?`
`07:30.04`	`mozrat`	`Very well`
`07:30.20`	`mozrat`	`I have consumed 2 slices of toast with peanut butter (crunchy)`
`07:30.31`	`mozrat`	`and I am now enjoying a cup of organic white tea`
`07:30.36`	`mozrat`	`less milk`
`07:30.50`	`SlayerXP`	`you.... you.... you.... suse user, you.`
`07:30.55`	`morsing`	`No milk I hope`
`07:31.14`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: I am by profession, my heart lies elsewhere :(`
`07:31.18`	`mozrat`	`morsing: no milk`
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`07:47.42`	`othermozrat`	`Hmm, my freeshell host seems to have died temporarily`
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`07:48.53`	`othermozrat`	`Morning gregj_ rhowe_`
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`07:49.59`	`Cope`	`jr;;p mozrat`
`07:49.59`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`07:49.59`	`Cope`	`hi morsing`
`07:50.00`	`mozrat`	`I'm back!!`
`07:50.00`	`morsing`	`mozzie!`
`07:51.03`	`mozrat`	`hey!`
`07:51.04`	`mozrat`	`morsing, Cope, did either of you break Wikipedia this morning??`
`07:51.35`	`morsing`	`I did - sorry`
`07:53.00`	`mozrat`	`Has anyone seen the film Primer?`
`07:53.26`	`morsing`	`No - no-one has`
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`07:56.54`	`Cope`	`mozrat: imdb gives it an ok rating`
`07:56.59`	`Cope`	`which is a good sign`
`07:57.02`	`morsing`	`George!`
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`08:03.00`	`morsing`	`Cope?`
`08:03.03`	`George`	`hey people`
`08:03.05`	`Cope`	`yes morsing?`
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`08:03.27`	`JAV`	`good morning`
`08:03.38`	`morsing`	`Cope: You're good at giving advice aren't you?`
`08:03.47`	`Leeds`	`bbc programme database up on the web... as much info as they have on every programme they made (and/or broadcast, I'm not sure) since 1937`
`08:04.03`	`Leeds`	`http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/`
`08:04.05`	`Cope`	`morsing: on things I know about, not bad :)`
`08:04.10`	`George`	`Copeycope!`
`08:05.06`	`Cope`	`hello George`
`08:05.46`	`George`	`hey`
`08:05.48`	`Leeds`	`they don't seem to have me in their database... but they do appear to have my Dad, so that's okay`
`08:05.51`	`George`	`I am clean shaven for once`
`08:06.00`	`morsing`	`George: Where?`
`08:06.10`	`mozrat`	`George: you were clean shaven on Saturday?`
`08:06.12`	`George`	`morsing: on my face`
`08:06.15`	`George`	`mozrat: I wasn't actually`
`08:06.16`	`morsing`	`George: Good`
`08:06.40`	`Leeds`	`they do have Linus... who apparently was on Radio 4 along with ESR and RMS`
`08:06.49`	`George`	`mozrat: hint hint CUT THAT DISGUSTING GROWTH OFF YOUR CHIN`
`08:07.07`	`mozrat`	`George: why?`
`08:07.19`	`George`	`mozrat: I think the reason is in my demand :P`
`08:07.34`	`SlayerXP`	`http://beerandspeech.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_beerandspeech_archive.html`
`08:07.44`	`SlayerXP`	`see "Time Travelled mastered on IRC"`
`08:07.47`	`George`	`how do the Pentium Ds compare to the Athlon64 x2s?`
`08:08.23`	`wethrin`	`Hello`
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`08:08.33`	`Leeds`	`George: not well, I'd think, given that they are single-core 32-bit chips`
`08:08.45`	`George`	`Leeds: er.`
`08:08.51`	`cbz`	`hi Leeds.`
`08:08.57`	`George`	`Leeds: the Pentium Ds are dual core EM64T chips`
`08:08.59`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: th epentium D is the dual core line`
`08:09.01`	`morsing`	`wethrin?`
`08:09.06`	`wethrin`	`morsing?`
`08:09.12`	`SlayerXP`	`george in "right" SHOCKER`
`08:09.36`	`Leeds`	`um, you mean Core Duo, then, not Pentium D?`
`08:09.40`	`SlayerXP`	`but pentium D chips are fucking expensive, and still slow.`
`08:09.43`	`George`	`Leeds: no, I mean Pentium D`
`08:09.49`	`George`	`Leeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D`
`08:09.50`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: he means pentium d`
`08:10.02`	`Leeds`	`or an I thinking of Celeron D?`
`08:10.08`	`George`	`Leeds: you're thinking of the Celeron D`
`08:10.24`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: Some time back you recommended an X server for Windows that wasn't Cygwin, but was free - what was it?`
`08:10.32`	`Leeds`	`maybe I'm thinking of the Celeron D...`
`08:10.32`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: xdeep/32`
`08:10.34`	`morsing`	`Leeds: You're thinking of the Celeron D`
`08:10.35`	`wethrin`	`Aha. Thanks`
`08:10.58`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: it's neat and Just Works[tm]`
`08:11.19`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: I used it as an xdcmp client to my local linux server when I'm in windows`
`08:11.55`	`Leeds`	`oh, and apparently the Celeron D - which might be what I'm thinking of - does in fact have Intel's implementation of AMD's 64-bit architecture`
`08:12.27`	`George`	`intel's offerings are getting more viable as they seem to be getting cheaper`
`08:12.42`	`Leeds`	`so, in short - assuming I am thinking of the Celeron D - it seems I was wrong anyway`
`08:12.42`	`George`	`their cheapest dual core CPU is a 2.66GHz cpu for about 80 quid`
`08:12.48`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: Right. I've currently installed Omni-X, which is commercial but with a free 30-day licence`
`08:13.19`	`wethrin`	`(which is enough for the use I'm putting it to)`
`08:13.56`	`SlayerXP`	`i never forgave intel for HT`
`08:14.02`	`SlayerXP`	`that was just such a con`
`08:14.06`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Why?`
`08:14.15`	`morsing`	`Ahh...`
`08:14.18`	`SlayerXP`	`morsing: it made idiots think they had two processors.`
`08:14.31`	`wethrin`	`It worked fairly well in certain (limited) circumstances`
`08:14.38`	`SlayerXP`	`mainly thanks to dell's marketing department`
`08:14.43`	`Leeds`	`heh, the BBC archive has a few mistakes in it, like suggesting that John Hall, computer expert and director of Linux Inc. was on a home improvement show talking about designing interiors on a computer`
`08:15.00`	`wethrin`	`IIRC, it was good if you had software that went into IO wait states quite a lot`
`08:15.05`	`George`	`isn't it Jon Hall?`
`08:15.32`	`Leeds`	`John, according to the BBC`
`08:15.48`	`wethrin`	`Bah. Xdeep/32 doesn't work with Windows 95`
`08:15.50`	`SlayerXP`	`Auntie knows best`
`08:15.57`	`George`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_"maddog"_Hall`
`08:16.04`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: that's a feature, not a bug`
`08:16.11`	`George`	`I think the BBC is wrong`
`08:16.15`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: Unfortunately I'm currently stuck on a stone-age machine`
`08:16.17`	`George`	`http://www.fosdem.org/2003/index/speakers/speakers_maddog.html`
`08:17.05`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: Does it allow copy/paste between Windows and X, and, more importantly, will it play ball with a Cygwin installation?`
`08:17.15`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: errm, pass.`
`08:17.34`	`Leeds`	`George: I think the BBC is wrong`
`08:17.38`	`wethrin`	`Okay. I'll play with it at some point in my copious free time`
`08:17.45`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Surely the BBC is never wrong! :)`
`08:17.57`	`George`	`I think I'm wright.`
`08:17.58`	`George`	`so there.`
`08:19.04`	`morsing`	`08:45 freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION`
`08:19.04`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:19.07`	`morsing`	`Huh?!`
`08:19.21`	`George`	`lol`
`08:19.30`	`morsing`	`What does it want again?`
`08:19.33`	`wethrin`	`Aha. Website++ - tells me what I need to patch Windows95`
`08:19.35`	`George`	`what do you people reckon I should upgrade my Athlon64 3500+ to?`
`08:19.43`	`George`	`it's struggling to keep up when my RAID's being hammered`
`08:19.59`	`wethrin`	`ctcp version gives information about the IRC client you're running, morsing`
`08:20.08`	`wethrin`	`George: Get a hardware RAID card`
`08:20.17`	`wethrin`	`But it's really not going to be the CPU that's the problem`
`08:20.19`	`George`	`wethrin: I'd love to.`
`08:20.34`	`George`	`wethrin: but I have about 1TB of ... stuff.. which would need to be migrated`
`08:20.38`	`Leeds`	`George: what the fsck are you doing which is generating enough I/O for it to matter?`
`08:20.51`	`wethrin`	`The CPU is ridiculously fast for computing parity data, and should pass IO stuff over to the DMA controllers`
`08:21.12`	`George`	`Leeds: well, for some strange reason, ANYTHING that hits the disks seems to make for noticeable lag on the computer`
`08:21.22`	`George`	`any crude comments about KDE can be sent to morsing`
`08:21.26`	`wethrin`	`So get some PCI-E or PCI-X controller cards`
`08:21.35`	`wethrin`	`Hmmm.....maybe DMA's been turned off?`
`08:21.39`	`George`	`I have no PCI-E or PCI-X slots`
`08:21.42`	`George`	`and DMA is on`
`08:21.54`	`George`	`hdparm shows about 150MB/s coming off the RAID`
`08:22.16`	`wethrin`	`Um. 1.5Gbit?`
`08:22.26`	`wethrin`	`Are you sure that's not cached? :)`
`08:22.36`	`George`	`apparently.`
`08:22.59`	`morsing`	`George: Yay`
`08:23.39`	`George`	`Timing buffered disk reads: 450 MB in 3.00 seconds = 149.82 MB/sec`
`08:24.27`	`SlayerXP`	`?`
`08:24.30`	`George`	`mozrat: what was that cryptic message you sent me whilst I was sleeping?`
`08:25.05`	`wethrin`	`Um. Buffered reads aren't the best indication of raw disk performance :)`
`08:25.19`	`George`	`wethrin: I can't be fooked to install any real hdd benchmarking software`
`08:25.42`	`George`	`wethrin: and anyway, DMA doesn't seem to exist on SATA drives`
`08:26.38`	`wethrin`	`hdparm will do it`
`08:26.57`	`George`	`no it won't`
`08:27.02`	`wethrin`	`Heh, DMA does exist on SATA drives`
`08:27.03`	`George`	`iridium george # hdparm /dev/sda`
`08:27.04`	`George`	`/dev/sda: IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 7296/255/63, sectors = 60011642880, start = 0`
`08:27.18`	`George`	`/dev/sda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device`
`08:27.19`	`wethrin`	`hdparm -t /dev/sda`
`08:27.23`	`mozrat`	`George: You asked if I was pissed that you had trolled your way to the top of the stats`
`08:27.29`	`mozrat`	`I replied "shutit"`
`08:27.29`	`George`	`mozrat: :D`
`08:27.36`	`mozrat`	`So, not really.`
`08:27.52`	`George`	`hrmm`
`08:27.53`	`George`	`/dev/sda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device`
`08:27.54`	`wethrin`	`No, it means Linux doesn't have the ioctls to change the DMA settings on the drives`
`08:27.58`	`George`	`pasting seems to be a bit fooked`
`08:28.17`	`wethrin`	`Because hdparm talks IDE, whereas the SATA subsystem works with the SCSI devices`
`08:28.48`	`George`	`the point is that DMA is clearly enabled`
`08:28.48`	`SlayerXP`	`George: there's the Mister Pot on line 2 who wants to discuss your ethnic origin.`
`08:28.49`	`George`	`so hush!`
`08:28.53`	`wethrin`	`However, the drives and controllers have to support DMA. Otherwise they'd be slower than a slow thing`
`08:28.56`	`SlayerXP`	`there's a`
`08:30.03`	`SlayerXP`	`none of you are even _trying_ abmx out. this isn't good enough.`
`08:30.04`	`wethrin`	`gregj!`
`08:30.09`	`wethrin`	`abmx?`
`08:30.21`	`George`	`wethrin: well, I can write data to the RAID at between 30 and 60MB/s`
`08:30.37`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: my message-labs like service`
`08:32.53`	`wethrin`	`ahhhh`
`08:33.01`	`wethrin`	`George: That seems quite reasonable`
`08:33.34`	`wethrin`	`Reboot-time!`
`08:34.10`	`SlayerXP`	`nice`
`08:35.04`	`SlayerXP`	`a one line question, accompanied by an 8 line sig, then a 25 line disclaimers in two labguages.`
`08:35.06`	`SlayerXP`	`languages`
`08:35.10`	`SlayerXP`	`sent to debian-user`
`08:35.10`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: I can't get gmail.com to use it and my work already has a solution, sorry`
`08:35.21`	`SlayerXP`	`mozrat: well, you suck :)`
`08:40.07`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: oh, I don't deny that at all`
`08:44.18`	`mozrat`	`George: which version of s9y are you on now? Are you going to drop off of planet.gllug.org.uk as well>`
`08:48.37`	`George`	`mozrat: I'm on er. something.`
`08:48.39`	`George`	`mozrat: latest stable`
`08:48.47`	`Leeds`	`George: we all know you're on something`
`08:50.30`	`cbz`	`yuh.`
`08:50.31`	`wethrin`	`Hrrrrm`
`08:50.47`	`wethrin`	`XDeep doesn't want to save its settings`
`08:54.47`	`George`	`mozrat: I'm just about to blog`
`08:56.12`	`George`	`mozrat: the fat bastard has blogged!`
`08:58.53`	`George`	`TFB, of course, being me!`
`09:06.26`	`morsing`	`beer`
`09:06.33`	`George`	`lemonade.`
`09:07.08`	`morsing`	`sausages`
`09:07.38`	`George`	`:D`
`09:16.11`	`Leeds`	`pizza`
`09:16.33`	`George`	`hrmm`
`09:16.33`	`George`	`FOOD`
`09:17.58`	`George`	`#/win 32`
`09:17.59`	`George`	`woops.`
`09:19.29`	`George`	`Cope: I finally replied to your trolling email :p`
`09:23.59`	`Leeds`	`win32?`
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`09:38.56`	`Leeds`	`puckman!`
`09:39.19`	`puckman`	`Leeds!`
`09:39.28`	`Leeds`	`puckman!`
`09:40.02`	`puckman`	`God windows sucks`
`09:40.19`	`Leeds`	`certainly does`
`09:41.27`	`puckman`	`Made my Thinkpad dual boot`
`09:41.46`	`puckman`	`installed gaim on the windows side, just in case I need it and the fucking thing wont work`
`09:42.38`	`puckman`	`hey, anyone got experience with vmware and parallels?`
`09:44.26`	`Leeds`	`ooh, I'm thrashing... must be nearly hometime`
`09:46.10`	`Leeds`	`hmm... Chinese colleague just said goodbye in Japanese as she left...`
`09:53.43`	`Leeds`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4949488.stm`
`10:00.27`	`Leeds`	`it is, of course, a donor kebab`
`10:00.30`	`wethrin`	`groan`
`10:00.59`	`Leeds`	`yes, that is what passes for humour in Hong Kong these days...`
`10:05.56`	`Cope`	`George: :)`
`10:07.17`	`Cope`	`you mean the one that humiliated your puny uptime?`
`10:07.36`	`wethrin`	`BCS-- # for a national computing society, they really don't know much about email`
`10:08.07`	`Cope`	`the smtp bit? or ettiquette?`
`10:08.16`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: i manage their mail, oddly`
`10:08.26`	`wethrin`	`"Due to the high volume of queries, it may take a long time to respond. Please phone us"`
`10:08.29`	`Leeds`	`'nuff said`
`10:08.32`	`wethrin`	`Sent to a mailing list`
`10:10.28`	`SlayerXP`	`well sort of. gradwell is their MX, but it all ends up getting passed through an abmx node.`
`10:12.19`	`wethrin`	`Yes, but do you just do spam filtering and stuff for them? As I'm sure you wouldn't be doing silly things like sending bounces back to mailing lists...`
`10:12.34`	`SlayerXP`	`well, yes`
`10:19.28`	`cbz`	`http://www.mantlepies.com/ipods.htm`
`10:50.01`	`z00dax`	`in a few days time, its going to be 01:02:03 on the 04/05/06`
`10:50.18`	`morsing`	`Cope: It's fine - I just sent an email to my friend trying to figure out what's going on`
`10:50.21`	`wethrin`	`Yes - the Americans thought this was true at the start of this month`
`10:50.24`	`wethrin`	`But they were WRONG`
`10:50.44`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, yeah, writing the date the wrong way around does not make it right.`
`10:51.38`	`z00dax`	`i suppose the 20 in 2006 might be a spanner in the works, but we can safely overlook that.`
`10:51.44`	`z00dax`	`mozrat said so`
`10:51.54`	`wethrin`	`Well, yes :)`
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`10:59.58`	`Leeds`	`I don't know why, but my large packet loss seems to have gone away`
`11:00.46`	`cpufreak`	`anyone got any good recommendations for a tape library with ~80TB/month capacity ? :)`
`11:00.50`	`cpufreak`	`am getting quotes on ADIC i500/i2000 and StorageTek SL500 already...`
`11:02.01`	`SlayerXP`	`get yourself an EMC san instead`
`11:02.09`	`SlayerXP`	`you can repsent the entire SAN as a tape drive.`
`11:02.18`	`SlayerXP`	`present`
`11:02.45`	`cpufreak`	`well no`
`11:02.49`	`cpufreak`	`this is to backup a SAN`
`11:03.39`	`wethrin`	`SlayerXP: I thought there was no substitute for tape backup?`
`11:04.10`	`SlayerXP`	`beyond certain volumes, tape is impractical`
`11:05.00`	`Erwin`	`In my new datacenter, we backup the 1T of disk-space via rdiff-backup onto another server. Both have RAID. Ideally we would then backup the backup onto an off-site server...`
`11:05.31`	`Erwin`	`But it seemed that a tape solution to handle our needs would be more expensive than our other hw`
`11:06.21`	`wethrin`	`Eh. Just use a RAID array`
`11:06.27`	`Leeds`	`I use rdiff-backup to a small dedicated fileserver - a snapserver - which is then backed up onto tape`
`11:08.43`	`Leeds`	`but I'm talking 10s of GB, not 10s of TB :-)`
`11:09.10`	`cpufreak`	`well this would be integrated into our existing Legato platform`
`11:09.17`	`Erwin`	`Maybe with the Blueray etc. DVDs...`
`11:09.37`	`cpufreak`	`just at the moment in total we're doing about 25TB/month in backup`
`11:09.45`	`cpufreak`	`so would require bigger libraries than we currently use`
`11:09.54`	`cpufreak`	`so was wondering if anyone had any recommendations.`
`11:10.12`	`Leeds`	`cpufreak: you could ask on the list...`
`11:10.25`	`MacRohard`	`a whole bunch of 750gb hds.`
`11:10.25`	`cpufreak`	`I'm not on the list.`
`11:10.33`	`Leeds`	`get on the list :-)`
`11:10.40`	`antiphas1`	`cpufreak: Your name's not down, you're not coming in`
`11:17.30`	`wethrin`	`!`
`11:26.45`	`Leeds`	`pizza`
`11:29.21`	`morsing`	`beer`
`11:29.25`	`morsing`	`"panini"`
`11:30.44`	`George`	`MOO`
`11:37.34`	`morsing`	`"Ciabata"`
`11:38.18`	`morsing`	`mozrat: What's interesting about it?`
`11:50.58`	`mozrat`	`hello`
`11:51.02`	`mozrat`	`whats that morsing ?`
`11:55.33`	`mozrat`	`morsing?`
`11:57.29`	`mozrat`	`ibot wake morsing`
`11:57.31`	`ibot`	`morsing: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`11:57.31`	`morsing`	`Your email? I've never even heard of the guy`
`11:57.38`	`morsing`	`ibot: Twat`
`11:57.39`	`ibot`	`suck it hard!`
`11:57.43`	`morsing`	`ibot ignore mozrat`
`11:57.44`	`ibot`	`ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, mozrat!"`
`11:57.48`	`mozrat`	`He spoke on Saturday`
`11:57.53`	`morsing`	`Ohh..`
`11:58.41`	`mozrat`	`is this the best way to advertise StarOffice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPuKLKgHNI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftvinjapan%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F`
`11:58.45`	`mozrat`	`(from puckman)`
`12:06.26`	`mozrat`	`Polite notice to everyone I interact with: When I ask you to send me output from a command line utility there is no need to paste it and send it as a word document. Thank you`
`12:13.30`	`mozrat`	`:D`
`12:15.16`	`mozrat`	`Mmmm, runners stretching off right outside my window`
`12:15.34`	`mozrat`	`bah, she ran off`
`12:17.19`	`morsing`	`Mmm... stretching`
`12:21.13`	`mozrat`	`http://wallpapers.neo5k.de/content/images/wallpapers/suse/suse-021-1024x768.png`
`12:23.44`	`mozrat`	`going to walk in the sun, get some fresh air, and find some food`
`12:23.56`	`morsing`	`Can I join you?`
`12:26.12`	`morsing`	`ping wethrin`
`12:29.51`	`morsing`	`What's apt-cron?`
`12:30.20`	`skugg`	`W: Unable to locate package apt-cron`
`12:30.20`	`skugg`	`E: No packages found`
`12:31.17`	`skugg`	`morsing: that would mean that apt-cache on debian stable don't know about apt-cron`
`12:49.51`	`mozrat`	`morsing: I'm back now but we could go out again`
`12:53.03`	`morsing`	`Yay`
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`13:04.23`	`mozrat`	`woo puckman`
`13:04.50`	`morsing`	`puckman!`
`13:05.37`	`puckman`	`mozzer`
`13:05.46`	`puckman`	`feck windows sucks`
`13:06.09`	`puckman`	`is like a fucking kids toy show`
`13:06.27`	`puckman`	`everything is all over the place`
`13:07.38`	`puckman`	`i need to figure out how to boot from usb so I dont have to swap out the internal drive all the time`
`13:08.08`	`wethrin`	`morsing: pong`
`13:09.42`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`13:10.10`	`morsing`	`Mark doesn't respond to emails`
`13:10.54`	`wethrin`	`When did you email him?`
`13:12.12`	`morsing`	`Last week I think`
`13:24.10`	`morsing`	`wethrin: What should I do?`
`13:25.28`	`wethrin`	`reprod him? Or catch him on IRC (mb; irc.perl.org)`
`13:25.45`	`morsing`	`What channel?`
`13:26.01`	`wethrin`	`#london.pm, but that matters less, as you can always /msg :)`
`13:35.22`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`13:56.02`	`mozrat`	`what is the answer?`
`13:57.10`	`cbz`	`Get another job.`
`13:57.17`	`cbz`	`Let's start a company.`
`13:59.01`	`mozrat`	`cbz: good idea`
`13:59.21`	`mozrat`	`puckman knows more than most having worked in this building`
`13:59.48`	`mozrat`	`To get a desk in this place I have to tuck my elbows in a squeeze between pucky and another chap`
`14:00.09`	`mozrat`	`s/in a /in and/`
`14:00.16`	`cbz`	`pucky?`
`14:00.27`	`mozrat`	`s/andsqueeze/and squeeze/`
`14:00.36`	`mozrat`	`keep up, ibot!!!`
`14:00.44`	`mozrat`	`cbz, puckman`
`14:00.44`	`cbz`	`I hate that - "Developers aren't important, lets keep them in a veal pen"`
`14:00.55`	`mozrat`	`Did you???`
`14:01.02`	`puckman`	`yeah, stupid huh?`
`14:01.10`	`mozrat`	`er, yes!`
`14:01.37`	`puckman`	`I was sick of the evenings, early mornings and weekends`
`14:01.44`	`mozrat`	`ah`
`14:01.45`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`14:01.46`	`mozrat`	`those`
`14:01.54`	`cbz`	`Heh.`
`14:02.17`	`puckman`	`And sick of a certain someone screaming at the top of her lungs if she was not happy wiith something`
`14:02.25`	`mozrat`	`:))`
`14:02.30`	`puckman`	`or the constant playing people off to eachother`
`14:02.43`	`Cope`	`:)`
`14:02.58`	`puckman`	`but it was nice to work with other people.`
`14:03.06`	`puckman`	`Being the only IT guy sucks big time`
`14:05.46`	`puckman`	`Hey, I'm helpin someone who is having some problems with his isp, I have a backup of his mailbox, how would I stick that back?`
`14:06.06`	`puckman`	`I tried simply putting it back in its original place but no play, I dont have ssh access, only ftp`
`14:09.01`	`mozrat`	`what kind of mailbox?`
`14:09.03`	`mozrat`	`mbox format?`
`14:09.12`	`wethrin`	`mbox just goes back in its original place`
`14:09.17`	`mozrat`	`just a single file for the whole mailbox`
`14:10.17`	`puckman`	`its a dir with a bunch of files and some more dirs`
`14:10.32`	`puckman`	`was an imap account, if that makes any`
`14:10.36`	`puckman`	`difference`
`14:10.51`	`puckman`	`i have a .Sent`
`14:11.06`	`puckman`	`which contains the sent mails in little files`
`14:11.15`	`mozrat`	`is there a cur new and tmp folder?`
`14:11.19`	`puckman`	`yeah`
`14:11.40`	`puckman`	`sorry, only know how to play with mail stuff client side`
`14:11.46`	`mozrat`	`Looks like a Maildir folder`
`14:11.46`	`puckman`	`so this folder comes from the server`
`14:11.50`	`puckman`	`it is`
`14:11.51`	`mozrat`	`(like you use on your mailserver)`
`14:11.58`	`puckman`	`right`
`14:12.08`	`mozrat`	`so, you have SSH access to the server?`
`14:12.16`	`puckman`	`nope`
`14:12.22`	`puckman`	`only ftp`
`14:12.43`	`puckman`	`could I bang it on our server here?`
`14:12.48`	`mozrat`	`yep`
`14:12.50`	`mozrat`	`could do that`
`14:12.53`	`puckman`	`I only need to log on once and pull the mail out`
`14:13.16`	`mozrat`	`how did he get a backup of it in that format from an ISP?`
`14:13.52`	`puckman`	`the cpanel offers a backup util which tars up the whole user`
`14:14.15`	`puckman`	`which you can download via ftp`
`14:14.21`	`puckman`	`so I unpacked it and found the maildir`
`14:26.29`	`Erwin`	`I'd like to tar up a few of my users, and never unpack them again.`
`14:31.26`	`antiphase`	`tar && feather`
`14:37.06`	`morsing`	`Can anyone remember the link to the article called "unskilled and unaware of it" that someone posted on the list about two years ago?`
`14:37.32`	`Erwin`	`It's the first hit on Goooogle`
`14:37.38`	`morsing`	`Is it :)`
`14:37.49`	`Erwin`	`And the second. And the third.`
`14:38.24`	`morsing`	`:) :)`
`14:57.50`	`morsing`	`FUck!? Missiles in the office!!!`
`14:58.46`	`cbz`	`?`
`14:58.55`	`morsing`	`Microsoft ones even!`
`14:59.00`	`cbz`	`Heh.`
`14:59.11`	`cbz`	`When microsoft send people here they always send hotjes.`
`14:59.27`	`cbz`	`Wee slinky things dressed to the nines.`
`14:59.35`	`morsing`	`Mmm...`
`15:02.01`	`cbz`	`They also have the private dining room in one of the nice local restaurants booked out permanently`
`15:02.10`	`cbz`	`The devil is persuasive.`
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`17:09.28`	`George`	`hi!`
`17:15.04`	`*** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk)`
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`17:16.58`	`George`	`hey rhowe`
`17:17.12`	`George`	`mozrat: I've just got back from Bisley`
`17:21.20`	`mozrat`	`oh?`
`17:21.36`	`George`	`mozrat: yes`
`17:21.51`	`George`	`mozrat: shot 18 rounds at a big fat black target 300 yards from me`
`17:36.20`	`wethrin`	`You can be arrested for that in the US`
`17:36.27`	`George`	`wethrin: why?`
`17:37.00`	`wethrin`	`Think about it for some time`
`17:40.08`	`George`	`it's not racist`
`17:40.29`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`17:46.44`	`George`	`I've got razor rash :'(`
`17:47.56`	`wethrin`	`ha`
`17:47.58`	`wethrin`	`grow a beard`
`17:48.04`	`George`	`no`
`17:48.10`	`wethrin`	`bah`
`17:50.56`	`George`	`which idiot thought the name "Wii" was good?`
`17:51.51`	`mozrat`	`beards++`
`17:52.20`	`George`	`mozrat--`
`17:52.27`	`George`	`I got top score on the range today`
`17:53.28`	`wethrin`	`What's this Wii?`
`17:53.35`	`George`	`no`
`17:53.42`	`wethrin`	`Oh, go on`
`17:58.25`	`wethrin`	`So, WTF is Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?`
`17:59.19`	`wethrin`	`Oh, nothing I care about`
`18:27.41`	`puckman`	`Mozrat is loving work today!`
`18:27.47`	`puckman`	`I can just feel it.`
`19:01.59`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, hsbc pays £450/month to call center staff at grade-1, starting wages - in India.`
`19:02.16`	`z00dax`	`well, at one of their banches, their banking services guys get more there than they do here in the UK`
`19:02.32`	`z00dax`	`s/branches/call centers/`
`19:02.43`	`George`	`s/centers/centres/`
`19:02.44`	`z00dax`	`err. humm`
`19:02.52`	`z00dax`	`that too`
`19:05.24`	`George`	`:)`
`19:05.53`	`mozrat`	`good evening friends`
`19:06.48`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, !`
`19:07.01`	`George`	`mozrat: have you ever shot at bisley?`
`19:08.58`	`puckman`	`still at work mozzer?`
`19:10.23`	`mozrat`	`puckman, on the tube home`
`19:10.35`	`mozrat`	`George, Yes - many times`
`19:10.40`	`mozrat`	`z00dax, hiyas`
`19:10.44`	`George`	`mozrat: which range?`
`19:11.21`	`mozrat`	`George, we had this conversation, grep your logs for my answer`
`19:11.31`	`George`	`useless`
`19:11.35`	`mozrat`	`z00dax, hiyas!!`
`19:12.41`	`z00dax`	`hey mozrat`
`19:13.08`	`mozrat`	`hey - how are you?`
`19:13.27`	`z00dax`	`not bad, chugging along... conditions not changed any.`
`19:14.42`	`z00dax`	`and there is news that birdflu is spreading in the UK, which cant be good`
`19:16.09`	`mozrat`	`whats a shotfun?`
`19:16.21`	`George`	`a funner version of a shotgun`
`19:16.32`	`mozrat`	`z00dax, unless you are a bird i wouldnt be concerned`
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`19:32.22`	`boudiccas`	`z00dax; my mother lives within 2 miles of where the latest bird flu outbreak has occurred, she's just given me more information about it than is on the news services atm`
`19:33.07`	`boudiccas`	`it has occurred in a flock of birds which is kept indoors, not battery hens but 'shed-range'`
`19:35.36`	`z00dax`	`as long as it stays with the birds, i dont care really. its when it gets mutated into a human airborn format, thats when i am worried`
`19:37.06`	`boudiccas`	`i think that h5n1 is only transmissable by direct contact with infected birds and their urine/faeces, and if they cough on you`
`19:37.48`	`boudiccas`	`A Bear, a Lion and a Chicken meet....`
`19:37.49`	`boudiccas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.49`	`boudiccas`	`The Bear says: "If I roar in the forest, the entire forest is shivering`
`19:37.49`	`boudiccas`	`with fear."`
`19:37.49`	`boudiccas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.51`	`boudiccas`	`The Lion says: "If I roar in the desert, the entire desert is afraid of`
`19:37.53`	`boudiccas`	`me."`
`19:37.55`	`boudiccas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.57`	`boudiccas`	`The Chicken says: "Big deal - I only have to cough and the entire planet`
`19:37.59`	`boudiccas`	`shits itself."`
`19:38.32`	`mozrat`	`lol`
`19:40.07`	`boudiccas`	`I run a email joke list called 'Stress Busters' which goes out on Thursday evenings, and the aforementioned joke is just a sample of the Stress Busters, would anyone like to be subscribed to it. If so, please pm me with the email address you want to be subscribed with.`
`19:41.38`	`mozrat`	`i cant pm you but simon.morris @ cmtww.com`
`19:42.04`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; k, ty`
`19:42.12`	`mozrat`	`thanks :-)`
`19:42.47`	`mozrat`	`can you fwd me tonights one?`
`19:43.27`	`boudiccas`	`moz;k, will do`
`19:44.23`	`CEH`	`The chances of mutation of H5N1 into something that's going to really cause problems are really slim (so my biologist brother assures me).`
`19:45.39`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; done`
`19:52.53`	`George`	`how many IPs does Plus net supply?`
`19:53.31`	`George`	`z00dax: ?`
`19:54.02`	`z00dax`	`George, plus.net stinks and sux and is the worst isp ever. they are cheats and liars`
`19:54.11`	`George`	`z00dax: ok...`
`19:54.12`	`z00dax`	`but they give upto 16 ip's if you want them`
`19:54.14`	`George`	`z00dax: in what way?`
`19:54.23`	`z00dax`	`George, pretty much everyway`
`19:54.40`	`George`	`z00dax: ok, specifics.`
`19:54.49`	`CEH`	`I've heard really bad things about plus net.`
`19:55.07`	`z00dax`	`they have no idea what they are selling, once they have your contract - they will squeeze you - their support is terrible. they overcharge for everything`
`19:55.19`	`z00dax`	`and they change their products every few weeks, and never allow you to change with it`
`19:55.38`	`CEH`	`They also lie about useage and so overcharge`
`19:55.49`	`z00dax`	`so if you get a 12 month deal where you pay £30 for X, they then reintroduce X at £15, too bad. you pay £30, new people pay £15`
`19:56.28`	`z00dax`	`Zen, however - are a great ISP!`
`19:56.35`	`z00dax`	`not cheap, but still good.`
`19:56.51`	`boudiccas`	`+net sound like a right bunch of twunts`
`19:57.06`	`z00dax`	`take a look at adslguide.org.uk - and their forums....`
`20:04.25`	`George`	`zen don't do 8mbit`
`20:04.28`	`George`	`you feckers!`
`20:04.32`	`z00dax`	`plus.net dont either`
`20:04.35`	`z00dax`	`they just sell it`
`20:04.41`	`George`	`doodad`
`20:04.44`	`George`	`zen don't sell it`
`20:04.55`	`z00dax`	`which is a good thing, you should not sell something you dont have`
`20:05.04`	`George`	`they buy it off BT...`
`20:05.08`	`boudiccas`	`z00dax; isn't that 'taking a pecuniary advantage'? and illegal?`
`20:05.27`	`z00dax`	`boudiccas, yup`
`20:05.41`	`boudiccas`	`trading standards should be informed then`
`20:05.57`	`z00dax`	`George, yes, but they say - you get into a queue - not that you get 8mb. and they take your money. then a few months later, they say - you are still in queue`
`20:06.05`	`CEH`	`Trading standards wouldn't understand!`
`20:06.06`	`z00dax`	`boudiccas, i believe they have been`
`20:06.08`	`George`	`z00dax: my exchange is enabled`
`20:06.21`	`z00dax`	`George, so's mine, and has been for 7 months :)`
`20:06.46`	`George`	`z00dax: your exchange has been ADSL Max enabled for 7 months?`
`20:06.47`	`George`	`I find this hard to believe`
`20:07.04`	`z00dax`	`George, yes - was one of those adsl-max-trial exchanges`
`20:07.11`	`George`	`ah.`
`20:07.17`	`George`	`you suck`
`20:07.22`	`z00dax`	`i know`
`20:07.26`	`z00dax`	`i am still at 2mbps`
`20:07.43`	`George`	`that... sounded dirty`
`20:08.09`	`z00dax`	`there was a time when everyone wrote a .plan and everyone else fingered their accounts for the .plan`
`20:08.23`	`z00dax`	`that was how blogs were created`
`20:24.01`	`George`	`z00dax: :P`
`21:29.09`	`mozrat`	`ho-hum`
`21:29.25`	`z00dax`	`anyone for a flood ?`
`21:35.08`	`wethrin`	`Go on`
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`21:40.49`	`z00dax`	`Dear Mr Singh,`
`21:40.49`	`z00dax`	`Firstly, my apologies for the fact that your account was missed as part of the original upgrades. We are currently investigating a problem that was raised whereby a handful of accounts were missed, and yours unfortunately appears to be one of those.`
`21:40.49`	`z00dax`	`I have just manually placed a regrade on your line that should complete within the next 24 hours, though due to the lateness in the day it could potentially be delayed until after the long weekend.`
`21:40.49`	`z00dax`	`The BT Reference for the order is: 1-BFL77P`
`21:41.27`	`z00dax`	`i suppose the last 5 times i complained about my missed-upgrade-to-8mb didnt count..`
`21:41.47`	`George`	`ROFLROFLROFLLOLROFL`
`21:42.27`	`z00dax`	`iirc, there is somewhere i can punch in that BT tracking number to see whats going in... was it on samknows.com ?`
`21:46.35`	`George`	`no idea`
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`22:34.44`	`z00dax`	`simplesimon!`
`22:43.59`	`George`	`night zooman`
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`23:42.55`	`*** join/#gllug z00dax (n=z00dax@kbsingh.plus.com)`

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