| 00:41.59 | rhowe | o.O |
| 00:42.06 | rhowe | Jackie Chan vs Jet Li on googlefight |
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| 02:01.16 | Leeds | good morning simplesimon... what are you doing up? |
| 02:05.50 | simplesimon | hi Leeds... trying to set up SAMBA for 1st time... |
| 02:06.13 | simplesimon | just for home network |
| 02:06.23 | Leeds | fair enough... |
| 02:06.57 | simplesimon | it's the 'kin XP client won't work, of course |
| 02:06.59 | Leeds | I'm at work :-) |
| 02:07.17 | Leeds | of course not |
| 05:50.57 | mozrat | morning |
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| 06:19.35 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:19.42 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 06:21.26 | morsing | ping rhowe |
| 06:23.15 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:30.29 | Leeds | yes |
| 06:30.43 | Leeds | the bun festival is on Friday! |
| 06:32.04 | Leeds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bun_Festival |
| 06:46.57 | morsing | Hi Leeds. What did you have for breakfast? |
| 06:47.22 | Leeds | weetabix and toast, as usual... |
| 06:49.00 | mozrat | Bow Road! |
| 06:50.44 | Leeds | I beg your pardon? |
| 06:52.35 | morsing | Highbury was here? |
| 06:55.45 | Leeds | his IRC client was |
| 07:01.00 | morsing | Leeds: How do you keep the Treo screen clean? Mine's grease and dusty already |
| 07:01.17 | Leeds | screen protector, regular cleaning, or be careful :-) |
| 07:01.25 | Leeds | and avoid using fingers on the screen |
| 07:03.00 | morsing | Or cheeks |
| 07:03.11 | Leeds | you can use fingers on cheeks as much as you like |
| 07:03.17 | morsing | I have really greasy cheeks |
| 07:04.45 | Leeds | not sure I'd be shouting about that if I was you |
| 07:06.12 | morsing | Leeds: Are we alone? |
| 07:07.05 | Leeds | no - ibot is always listening |
| 07:07.22 | SlammerXP | so am i |
| 07:07.39 | Leeds | oh, noes |
| 07:19.10 | morsing | Mmm... SP |
| 07:19.28 | morsing | Why can't I msg rhowe |
| 07:20.21 | Leeds | can anyone suggest a stats package to produce results like http://stats.houlite.co.il/ ? |
| 07:24.05 | Leeds | morsing: are both of you registered users? |
| 07:29.19 | Leeds | that site is down now - he got 0wned |
| 07:34.14 | Leeds | anyone... the first thing you do when you find out you've been 0wned is? |
| 07:36.10 | SlammerXP | pull the netowrk cable. |
| 07:36.20 | SlammerXP | back up the contents of /home |
| 07:36.41 | SlammerXP | wipe the disks, reinstall, and go through /home with a comb before restoring it |
| 07:37.31 | Leeds | he thinks it was a broken php counter, on a couple of virtual sites, and if he fixes that, everything will be okay, right? |
| 07:38.01 | SlammerXP | has the machine been compromised? (y/n) |
| 07:38.38 | Leeds | it had an index.html file created - I don't know much more than that |
| 07:39.05 | Leeds | they appear to have been running commands as the httpd user |
| 07:39.17 | SlammerXP | right. so wipe the disk and start again. |
| 07:39.36 | SlammerXP | redhat or gentoo? |
| 07:39.53 | Leeds | centos, I think - I blame z00dax |
| 07:41.10 | Leeds | yeah, centos |
| 07:41.42 | Leeds | oh, I feel smugly good about refusing to run php software... |
| 07:42.44 | SlammerXP | my hosting clients have got arsey about that |
| 07:43.10 | SlammerXP | "can I run php scripts?" "no" "but XYZ hosting would let me!" "so use them instead then." |
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| 07:44.17 | *** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ |
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| 07:45.57 | shai | here |
| 07:46.28 | Leeds | SlammerXP: would you please tell shai why he should not plug the machine back in until he's reinstalled it? |
| 07:47.50 | Leeds | SlammerXP: ? |
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| 07:48.13 | Leeds | afternoon cpufreak |
| 07:48.27 | Leeds | shai: anyway, since SlammerXP has inexplicably vanished to the real world... don't do it |
| 07:48.55 | SlammerXP | sorry was afk |
| 07:49.00 | SlammerXP | shai: hi. |
| 07:50.10 | SlammerXP | shai: if you have a server that is doing stuff you didn't authorise, and you don't know for sure how the machine one compromised then you have only one course of action: |
| 07:50.41 | SlammerXP | you must pull the netowkr cable, then wipe the hard disks and start again, this time with a maintainable distribution, and not RPM-based tosh. |
| 07:50.41 | SlammerXP | doing anything else is irresponsible. |
| 07:50.43 | Leeds | SlammerXP: would you include 'serving html pages which shouldn't be there' as doing stuff which you didn't authorise? |
| 07:50.43 | SlammerXP | did you authorise it? |
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| 07:51.02 | Leeds | not I |
| 07:51.14 | shai | not rpm based... |
| 07:51.21 | SlammerXP | so the machine is doing something you didn't expect, and you don't know how it happened. |
| 07:51.41 | SlammerXP | moreoever, you don't know that that is the only thing it's doing that it's not supposed to |
| 07:51.52 | shai | what's wrong with using CentOS and downloading RPM packagase when needig to install something? |
| 07:52.09 | shai | using yum ... |
| 07:52.11 | shai | whi |
| 07:52.26 | shai | which is what most other CentOS users do ... |
| 07:52.28 | SlammerXP | shai: centos is rpm based. and using third-party RPMs is a sure way to have your machine in an unmaintainable state. |
| 07:53.02 | shai | thrid-party means that centos didn't build them? |
| 07:53.04 | Leeds | ibot wake z00dax |
| 07:53.06 | ibot | z00dax: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 07:53.37 | SlammerXP | shai: approximately, yes. |
| 07:54.08 | Cope | moin |
| 07:54.27 | Leeds | hey Cope |
| 07:55.29 | shai | then why does mdk, centos, redhat exists if they are unsecure and can't be used for their rpms ? |
| 07:56.03 | SlammerXP | shai: in this case it's irrelavent. a machine is doing something you didn't expect. you don't know how it happened. you cannot be sure that's the only thing the machine is doing that it shouldn't be. |
| 07:56.12 | SlammerXP | shai: beats me. |
| 08:00.05 | shai | well ... |
| 08:00.29 | shai | i'll cont. using CentOS cuz I know no other way ... nor do i have time to learn while my main server is down. |
| 08:00.37 | shai | main and only. |
| 08:01.02 | shai | i will on the other hand, re-install the server now (already began doing so). |
| 08:01.09 | SlammerXP | how will that help? |
| 08:01.23 | SlammerXP | if the machine was compromised once, and you don't know how, it will happen again. |
| 08:01.31 | Leeds | wahay - I seem to be able to reply to mail using my webmail tool :-) |
| 08:01.42 | Leeds | shai: just keep php off there - that will make it much safer |
| 08:01.50 | Leeds | shai: you did say you'd found the attack in the logs, right? |
| 08:01.56 | shai | yes. |
| 08:02.03 | shai | i have it in my logs. |
| 08:02.08 | shai | on the other HDD. |
| 08:02.14 | shai | once i can mount it .. i'll show you. |
| 08:02.54 | shai | the attacker appears there sending rootcmd=uname etc etc via that broken php counter ... |
| 08:03.04 | Leeds | rootcmd??? |
| 08:03.24 | shai | something like domain.com/counter.php=%20rootcmd=uname%2 bla bla bla |
| 08:04.26 | shai | i even have his ip (or his proxies IP while doing the stuff he did) |
| 08:04.41 | Leeds | or another machine he's taken over and is now using to attack from |
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| 08:07.02 | shai | yea... that is a possibility |
| 08:13.16 | morsing | shai? |
| 08:13.31 | shai | yes :\ |
| 08:13.40 | shai | i'm in a sad mood ... |
| 08:13.56 | Leeds | bad day for it, really |
| 08:14.35 | shai | yes :( |
| 08:16.23 | Leeds | anyway, you can ignore SlammerXP's anti-rpm rant - we all do... the point, really, is that running random php things on a public web server is a little like hanging a sign on it saying "free server, help yourself, all welcome" |
| 08:17.32 | shai | Leeds, i understand. |
| 08:17.41 | shai | i won't use, obviaslly, dmcounter now. |
| 08:17.51 | shai | ok, box re-installed. |
| 08:18.46 | Leeds | shai: the first hit on google for dmcounter is http://www.checksum.org/cso/message/27640.html |
| 08:20.06 | shai | :( |
| 08:20.14 | Leeds | yeah |
| 08:20.14 | Cope | i know we shouldn't really blame php, but the shit code |
| 08:20.15 | Cope | but... |
| 08:20.17 | Cope | :) |
| 08:20.17 | shai | but does that mean he could have rooted my box? |
| 08:21.01 | Leeds | uh... that's the whole point of what we were saying |
| 08:21.24 | SlammerXP | rant it may be, but I'm not the one with a rooted box :) |
| 08:22.40 | Leeds | probably, all they did was deface the site... |
| 08:22.52 | Leeds | probably, the only access they had was as the apache/httpd/etc. user |
| 08:23.04 | SlammerXP | see the word "probably" there? |
| 08:23.38 | Leeds | oh, it's a very explicit probably |
| 08:27.13 | Leeds | honestly, the idea of a language where 'command-line options' (web form submissions) can possibly go into the global namespace is sick and twisted - particularly a langage designed for writing network apps |
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| 08:32.11 | Leeds | :-) |
| 08:32.23 | Cope | SlammerXP: are you suggesting that shai's choice of package management tool is directly related to his compromise? |
| 08:32.36 | SlammerXP | Cope: nope. |
| 08:32.45 | Cope | seems to me the problem is installing a dodgy piece of software, not the way it was installed. |
| 08:33.07 | Leeds | Cope: it was php software - sorry, you already said it was dodgy... |
| 08:33.37 | Cope | i have to find a windows 2000 "test" box |
| 08:33.52 | Cope | client in "I've discovered iis/ftp is shit" shocker |
| 08:33.55 | SlammerXP | Cope: nmap a random subnet, there's bound to be a few you can remotely compromise. |
| 08:34.09 | Leeds | SlammerXP: :-) |
| 08:34.46 | Cope | wants to run cygwin and some useful ftp daemon instead; so i want to see what's involved in doing so |
| 08:34.57 | Cope | before approving he do it |
| 08:35.23 | SlammerXP | Cope: I've run proftpd under cygwin |
| 08:35.25 | SlammerXP | it's okay. |
| 08:35.42 | SlammerXP | PITA compared to running it under a proper OS, but works |
| 08:35.54 | Cope | or can it be installed and setup without downtime? |
| 08:38.02 | SlammerXP | i used srvany to get it to come up on boot |
| 08:38.13 | murb | Cope: guywin doesn't require a reboot |
| 08:38.42 | murb | although if you need to reboot you may as well install a proper with vmware or colinux. |
| 08:38.56 | Cope | heh, not options :) |
| 08:39.15 | Cope | *snort* |
| 08:39.36 | Leeds | heh |
| 08:39.46 | Leeds | murb: is colinux really what it claims to be? |
| 08:42.46 | morsing | Moobie |
| 08:44.08 | murb | Leeds: which claims in particular? |
| 08:44.27 | Leeds | a full linux-on-windows? |
| 08:44.32 | murb | yep |
| 08:50.33 | murb | Cope: it can also be started and stopped as an NT service. |
| 08:50.49 | murb | so you could for instance call it ProFTP in the ServiceMangler |
| 09:04.54 | Cope | murb: you're talking about cygwin, I asume |
| 09:06.07 | SlayerXP | surely just remotely owning one would be quicker? |
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| 09:06.53 | SlayerXP | net send message * "I have borrowed your server. You can have it back when I'm done. Lovel, Cope." |
| 09:06.58 | SlayerXP | Love |
| 09:07.08 | Cope | :) |
| 09:07.29 | Cope | it would be much quicker; and have humour value. |
| 09:08.42 | Cope | shops & |
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| 09:15.06 | rhowe | o.O n_ Opt admin gbindadmin <none> 0.1.4-1 GTK+ configuration tool for bind9 |
| 09:15.20 | shai | Leeds, i only have a 200gb disk to install the new server on ... :\ |
| 09:15.27 | rhowe | gbindadmin depends on bind9 (>= 9.3.2) |
| 09:15.33 | rhowe | grr, haven't they heard of rndc? |
| 09:18.46 | rhowe | shai: How on earth are you going to get Linux installed in only 200G? |
| 09:18.57 | wethrin | rhowe: Slackware :) |
| 09:19.59 | murb | Cope: CoLinux |
| 09:21.08 | shai | rhowe, a waste of a good hdd ... |
| 09:21.14 | rhowe | shai: ach so |
| 09:21.31 | murb | rhowe: rndc is less useful than you'd think. |
| 09:21.36 | Leeds | watch it... |
| 09:21.51 | murb | (i thought i could have an rndc channel that would permit just reconfigs and not shutdowns but not possible) |
| 09:28.05 | mozrat | Someone has locked a mobile phone in their desk and it is ringing constantly |
| 09:28.07 | mozrat | very annoying |
| 09:28.28 | Leeds | morsing: I suggest a hammer |
| 09:28.51 | mozrat | (mozrat!=morsing) Good idea |
| 09:29.07 | Leeds | mozrat: I suggest you try a hammer too, since you're closer |
| 09:29.12 | mozrat | haha |
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| 09:30.42 | rhowe | murb: At the very least, such tools should allow the use of an ssh channel or suchlike |
| 09:32.00 | Cope | hello rhowe |
| 09:32.07 | rhowe | morning Steve |
| 09:32.13 | rhowe | Cope: Jatinder's coming to see us today |
| 09:32.31 | Cope | i wonder what she looks like |
| 09:35.08 | rhowe | christ, your switchboard is crap |
| 09:36.18 | z00dax | who'd pung'eth ? |
| 09:36.22 | Leeds | z00dax: finally! |
| 09:36.33 | z00dax | oooh.. someone's centos got rooted ? |
| 09:37.15 | Leeds | yes, and it's all your fault |
| 09:37.32 | z00dax | oh! howse that ? |
| 09:37.52 | shai | morning z00dax :) |
| 09:37.56 | z00dax | hi shai |
| 09:38.07 | mozrat | moin kb |
| 09:38.18 | mozrat | moin z00[tab]dax |
| 09:39.01 | Leeds | z00dax: your crappy rpm system allowed his brother to install a dodgy php script, apparently |
| 09:39.06 | z00dax | mozrat: you actually leave for work at 7:45am ? |
| 09:39.17 | z00dax | and i presume selnux was not running ? |
| 09:39.19 | Cope | z00dax: because you are personally responsible for the inherently insercure design of php |
| 09:39.33 | mozrat | z00dax: No, I left at 0645 today - i was running late a bit |
| 09:39.56 | z00dax | Cope: yeah that, well you see - i had had a lot to drink the night before.... |
| 09:40.04 | mozrat | I normally leave at 0630 and get into the office around 8ish after getting a bagel or pastry |
| 09:44.41 | Leeds | anyone know the difference between an armadillo and a Dime bar? |
| 09:49.21 | Leeds | noone? |
| 09:49.49 | morsing | One has chocolate |
| 09:50.23 | Leeds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esFxny6c-CA |
| 09:53.45 | morsing | ping rhowe |
| 09:55.32 | stephanb2 | Leeds: is this on HK tv ? |
| 09:57.12 | Leeds | stephanb2: no |
| 09:59.37 | mozrat | Hmm? |
| 09:59.50 | Leeds | wethrin: I would suspect the cat fetishist |
| 10:06.13 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 10:06.21 | mozrat | wethrin: I bet if you asked Henry Gilbert he would have an opinion on who it is but he couldn't tell you in case it ruined the surprise, but it is so hard to keep it to yourself |
| 10:06.30 | mozrat | blah fskcing blah |
| 10:06.31 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:06.46 | mozrat | oh? |
| 10:06.48 | mozrat | why? |
| 10:07.14 | mozrat | Can you see the IP address of the commentator? |
| 10:07.29 | wethrin | No |
| 10:08.10 | mozrat | your blog system sucks |
| 10:08.40 | Leeds | it's not his blog system - it's the mass teenage-girl-angst system which pre-dates bloggin |
| 10:08.40 | Leeds | g |
| 10:09.25 | wethrin | There is some option to tun on IP address logging |
| 10:09.31 | wethrin | I haven't been bothered to find it |
| 10:10.29 | mozrat | wethrin: Do you also have a MySpace account? |
| 10:12.15 | wethrin | I don't |
| 10:12.26 | Leeds | getting to hometime |
| 10:13.12 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:13.45 | mozrat | morsing is feeling guilty!!! That was a guilty hug!! |
| 10:13.47 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 10:13.49 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 10:14.02 | wethrin | But I've never heard him use the phrase "Sheesh man" : |
| 10:14.15 | mozrat | True |
| 10:14.34 | morsing | What?! |
| 10:15.40 | Leeds | hoemtime! |
| 10:16.58 | Cope | isn't sheesh man the name of one of the vans on the high? |
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| 10:30.54 | cbz | yuh |
| 10:31.01 | mozrat | hihi |
| 10:33.41 | morsing | Cope! |
| 10:36.13 | Cope | yo morsing |
| 10:36.35 | Cope | morsing: smit++ |
| 10:36.53 | Cope | morsing: smit && F6 +++ |
| 10:37.52 | murb | Cope: welcome to the menu system |
| 10:38.34 | Cope | murb: ;) |
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| 10:42.29 | mozrat | and there I was... covered in piss |
| 10:42.32 | mozrat | oh hello Leeds |
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| 10:43.27 | Leeds | evening morsing |
| 10:51.28 | cbz | hi mozrat |
| 11:30.58 | Cope | :) |
| 11:31.21 | Cope | gosh 1230 already |
| 11:31.22 | Cope | eek |
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| 11:47.24 | JAV | hello |
| 11:47.40 | mozrat | hey JAV |
| 11:58.18 | Leeds | pubtime! |
| 11:59.38 | mozrat | yay |
| 12:09.42 | Cope | ooh good idea |
| 12:12.54 | Cope | well |
| 12:13.01 | Cope | that was painless, in a test environment |
| 12:13.25 | Cope | how to debrick your windows machine, part 1 |
| 12:19.35 | morsing | JAV! |
| 12:20.26 | morsing | Leeds: So can I just copy a bunch of MP3 to the card on my PC? |
| 12:21.42 | SlayerXP | my blog hasn't been added to the gllug planet |
| 12:23.59 | morsing | Leeds: What filesystem does it run? |
| 12:25.19 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 12:25.21 | ibot | Leeds: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 12:25.35 | morsing | Anyone with a Palm device? |
| 12:26.38 | murb | i have 2 hands |
| 12:33.41 | morsing | FOAD |
| 12:33.42 | morsing | ping rhowe_ |
| 12:35.21 | boudiccas | morsing; yes, a palm m130 |
| 12:35.31 | mozrat | SlayerXP: your RSS feed isn't linked from your homepage |
| 12:40.44 | rhowe_ | pong? |
| 12:44.58 | SlayerXP | mozrat: it's linked from the blog though, left hand side |
| 12:47.17 | mozrat | Duh, so it is |
| 12:47.46 | mozrat | I'll mail Dean and ask him to add you |
| 12:49.55 | mozrat | I used to use Blosxom with that template - I liked Blosxom, nice and simple |
| 12:50.38 | cbz | The filesystem as a database |
| 12:50.45 | z00dax | is 34.80 MB/sec in Timing Buffered disk reads on a 5400rpm laptop hdd, an acceptable speed |
| 12:50.51 | z00dax | or should it be pushing more |
| 12:52.53 | z00dax | can someone do a hdparm -tT /dev/[s,h]da |
| 12:54.31 | mozrat | cbz: indeed |
| 12:54.43 | cbz | It works, mostly. |
| 12:54.51 | cbz | And makes permalink easy |
| 12:55.11 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.51 | mozrat | cbz: getting trackbacks etc to work is a bit hackish - was my only complaint |
| 12:56.24 | cbz | When I used it I was using pybloxsom, so hacking that sort of thing in was easy |
| 12:56.41 | stephanb2 | rhowe: ping? |
| 12:57.00 | rhowe | pong? |
| 12:57.24 | stephanb2 | pang? |
| 12:57.28 | cbz | I used it to make weekly reports for a bit. Blogging client in taskbar, note every now and again |
| 12:58.22 | stephanb2 | rhowe: i tried openwengo btw. it's not quite ready for showtime. plus its putting a huge load on Win32 |
| 12:58.35 | rhowe | stephanb2: Oh well |
| 12:58.48 | stephanb2 | rhowe: yup. |
| 12:59.14 | stephanb2 | rhowe: when ekiga will be "finished" it will be the best open source voip platform |
| 13:00.30 | rhowe | stephanb2: Yeah, it sure will. I think IAX and JINGLE support is at least planned, too |
| 13:00.46 | George | hey |
| 13:01.08 | stephanb2 | rhowe: shocking how the antique h.261 codec in ekiga delivers a better picture quality than h.263 in wengo |
| 13:01.19 | murb | ekiga seems to work fine here. |
| 13:01.40 | murb | oh and linux finally has a decent h.323 conntract helper just as the world finally moves to SIP... |
| 13:01.45 | rhowe | stephanb2: Have you asked why they use H.261? |
| 13:01.54 | rhowe | murb: heh |
| 13:01.58 | stephanb2 | has anybody tried ekiga on win32 ? |
| 13:02.30 | stephanb2 | rhowe: no i tried to find someone who had sucessfully logged Windows-Messenger into ekiga.net |
| 13:03.09 | murb | has anyone recently ot be merable setup a hostapd with wpa eap-tls authentication against a radiusd? |
| 13:04.55 | stephanb2 | rhowe: but i remember that h.263 wasn't included in the library they use for video compression |
| 13:05.29 | stephanb2 | rhowe: and reading a post about moving to a plug-in system. so h.263 would be available via a plug-in |
| 13:05.44 | rhowe | murb: Not me |
| 13:05.45 | stephanb2 | rhowe: and no threaten patent motivated action against ekiga |
| 13:05.54 | rhowe | murb: I plan to try SLIND out on the net4801 next week |
| 13:06.16 | rhowe | stephanb2: Ah, right.. that'd probably explain why it doesn't have it then - patents |
| 13:06.38 | stephanb2 | rhowe: maybe the same model as xmms in fedora not including mp3 |
| 13:08.02 | murb | rhowe: SLIND? |
| 13:09.37 | *** join/#gllug mikejw (n=mikejw@81-179-85-57.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 13:17.12 | mozrat | That damn phone is still ringing |
| 13:17.20 | mozrat | been ringing since 8 this morning |
| 13:23.36 | SlayerXP | you could answer it |
| 13:23.44 | SlayerXP | shocking idea, I know |
| 13:23.53 | mozrat | I could if it were my phone and not locked in someones drawer |
| 13:24.00 | mozrat | we have asked for the spare keys but there are none |
| 13:24.18 | mozrat | and it is the desk of someone in our parent company so taking an axe to it might not be the best idea |
| 13:24.24 | SlayerXP | use a percusive maintenance tool to ease the lock open |
| 13:25.23 | boudiccas | he means 'use an ammer' |
| 13:25.49 | mozrat | I think the hammer solution would be viewed with the same suspicion as the the axe solution |
| 13:29.15 | mozrat | Is a pigeon a dove? |
| 13:29.34 | SlayerXP | no |
| 13:29.39 | stephanb2 | mozrat: i think they are the same species |
| 13:29.47 | mozrat | Apparently they are |
| 13:29.51 | SlayerXP | yes, they're both birds :) |
| 13:30.12 | mozrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_dove |
| 13:30.12 | morsing | kjdncrsvgdrf |
| 13:30.12 | morsing | sd |
| 13:30.16 | mozrat | No, not just that |
| 13:30.27 | mozrat | A Rock Dove is indeed.. a pigeon |
| 13:30.40 | George | Metropolitan Jazz Affair++ |
| 13:31.09 | stephanb2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon |
| 13:35.41 | wethrin | wibble |
| 13:36.04 | George | hey wethrin :D |
| 13:37.09 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:37.12 | morsing | wobble |
| 13:37.20 | wethrin | hi |
| 13:38.35 | morsing | Moo |
| 13:39.29 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:40.05 | morsing | Bye George |
| 13:50.49 | Cope | morsing: i agree - cygwin is not a satisfactory solution for X |
| 13:50.55 | Cope | I can't get copy & paste to behave at all |
| 13:51.03 | Cope | which is *HUGELY* irritating |
| 13:51.06 | wethrin | Hm. |
| 13:51.13 | wethrin | It works for me. Thanks to morsing :) |
| 13:51.17 | Cope | eh? |
| 13:51.24 | wethrin | X -norootwindow -clipboard |
| 13:51.42 | wethrin | Select to copy in X (paste with C-v in Windows) |
| 13:51.48 | wethrin | Middle-click to paste |
| 13:57.43 | Cope | wethrin: do you mean -rootless? |
| 13:57.47 | morsing | Cope: It works fine for me |
| 13:57.51 | Cope | there is no "-norootwindiw" |
| 13:57.54 | morsing | Better than normal Windows actually |
| 13:58.03 | Cope | morsing: not according to your last list post |
| 13:58.17 | Cope | morsing: i'm delighted it does! |
| 13:58.27 | morsing | Cope: Ahh... That was not about X windows but the Cygwin shell window |
| 13:58.28 | Cope | as i will have to do similar, shortly |
| 13:58.34 | Cope | morsing: ah ok |
| 13:58.46 | wethrin | Cope: Yes |
| 13:58.50 | wethrin | -rootless, then |
| 14:02.48 | wethrin | Oh, no |
| 14:02.55 | wethrin | X -clipboard -multiwindow |
| 14:02.58 | wethrin | That's what I ran it as |
| 14:05.45 | Cope | hrm |
| 14:05.53 | Cope | that seems to cause breakage |
| 14:06.05 | Cope | in fact anything with -clipboard does |
| 14:06.18 | wethrin | How so? |
| 14:08.32 | Cope | well |
| 14:08.42 | Cope | if I invoke X with -fullscreen |
| 14:09.07 | Cope | it behaves as normal - i can then ssh -X and tunnel apps, including a window manager |
| 14:09.44 | Cope | if I invoke X with -fullscreen and -clipboard, window manager fails to work, and even xsetroot fails |
| 14:11.18 | murb | rhowe: not 17rc3? |
| 14:11.27 | Cope | if i invoke with multiwindow, fine; windows has the window manager role, and I just get new apps from the linux machine, such as xterms |
| 14:12.08 | rhowe | murb: Nah.. I'm testing a hacky patch |
| 14:12.22 | rhowe | murb: There'll be enough breakage without patching it into a different kernel revision :) |
| 14:13.59 | murb | as anyone tried the sip conntrack patch? |
| 14:15.30 | Cope | which is ok if I wanted to use windows as the window manaer |
| 14:15.32 | Cope | but i don't |
| 14:15.55 | Cope | i want to use a proper window manager, and obscure the windows one as much as possible |
| 14:16.01 | Cope | hence using -fullscreen |
| 14:20.25 | George | :P |
| 14:22.03 | George | mozrat: I'm lonelier than you! |
| 14:22.59 | *** join/#gllug simplesimon (n=simon@host-87-74-58-111.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 14:23.28 | cbz | that figure |
| 14:23.28 | cbz | s |
| 14:23.47 | George | indeed |
| 14:24.50 | mozrat | George: You are |
| 14:25.08 | SlayerXP | sadder, too |
| 14:25.13 | George | mozrat: :D |
| 14:25.19 | SlayerXP | uglier, from all available evidence, also |
| 14:26.49 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I'm honoured. Thank you |
| 14:28.12 | mozrat | Or is "Ugliest Man between mozrat and George" a "taller than Ronnie Corbett" competition |
| 14:28.21 | mozrat | George doesn't know who Ronnie Corbett is of course |
| 14:28.33 | George | of course I do |
| 14:28.36 | George | moron. |
| 14:29.05 | cbz | Charming. |
| 14:29.07 | mozrat | Which TV series did he play the mummys boy living at home? |
| 14:29.18 | mozrat | with the catchphrase "Language Timothy" |
| 14:29.23 | simplesimon | Sorry |
| 14:30.21 | SlayerXP | i'm still not linked on plaent.g.o.u |
| 14:30.24 | SlayerXP | tplanet |
| 14:30.26 | SlayerXP | this is not good enough |
| 14:30.44 | mozrat | Patience is a virtue |
| 14:30.59 | George | PIDDLESTICKS |
| 14:33.14 | cbz | I thought you were busy, getting ready for the summer of code? |
| 14:33.36 | George | I am busy |
| 14:36.48 | mozrat | busy.... trolling? |
| 14:36.54 | mozrat | simplesimon: what time are you lonixing tonight? |
| 14:38.28 | simplesimon | well, since I stayed up till 6am messin' around with samba.... |
| 14:38.50 | simplesimon | and plans to sleep today haven't happened... |
| 14:39.04 | simplesimon | dunno... what time do things get going? |
| 14:39.24 | mozrat | simplesimon: why on earth did you stay up until that time? |
| 14:40.27 | simplesimon | well remember 2 or 3 days ago I was here looking for advice to replace win fileserver with pgpdisk? been wrestling / playing with that ever since |
| 14:42.25 | mozrat | Where are you stuck? |
| 14:42.36 | simplesimon | oh, and for the first time I fixed an installation that crapped out at grub rather than start again (small progress huh?) |
| 14:43.31 | mozrat | thats good :) |
| 14:43.58 | simplesimon | windows name res, browsing, sharing - it sort of works with *nix clients, but not XP |
| 14:44.16 | simplesimon | yeah, small sense of acheivement |
| 14:44.45 | mozrat | simplesimon: do you know much about debugging it? nbtstat etc |
| 14:45.55 | *** join/#gllug skugg (n=stig@ggtl.org) |
| 14:45.59 | George | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=114665236412278&w=2 |
| 14:46.05 | George | if anyone can help me I'd be very grateful |
| 14:46.48 | simplesimon | I followed some cribs on the web - even cutting and pasting lol- troubleshooting with nbtstat, (and ran ethereal - not with a design, just playing) and I think it's an authorisation problem (security = user) |
| 14:48.31 | morsing | skugg! |
| 14:49.18 | skugg | hi |
| 14:54.06 | mozrat | simplesimon: are you running Samba as a "domain controller" for the network? |
| 14:55.42 | simplesimon | on the XP client, I can't get to the share via Network Neighbourhood, but if I enter \\servername\share in an Explorer address bar it sort of works, well did |
| 14:56.03 | simplesimon | nope, stand alone, but preferred local master |
| 14:56.45 | mozrat | right |
| 14:56.56 | mozrat | are you working on this now? |
| 14:56.57 | simplesimon | I can ping everything inc by hostname |
| 14:57.00 | mozrat | what do the XP machines say? |
| 14:57.12 | mozrat | if you Start > Run > \\sambaname\ |
| 14:57.43 | simplesimon | various error msgs according to diff smb.conf plus restarts |
| 14:58.06 | Leeds | morsing: vfat/fat32/etc. and you should probably put them in a directory called Audio - it's an unofficial standard |
| 14:58.06 | simplesimon | sort of, but just seen LONIX starts at 6pm |
| 14:58.19 | Leeds | I'm missing Lonix tonight??? |
| 14:58.28 | simplesimon | I need to get awake and clean and on my way |
| 14:58.35 | simplesimon | lol @ Leeds |
| 14:58.53 | skugg | there's a lonix tonight? |
| 14:59.04 | Leeds | been and had wine and tapas with a couple of birds... can't really complain :-) |
| 14:59.51 | simplesimon | birds? birds? we'll have no birds here... |
| 15:00.17 | simplesimon | well, I'm not expecting any, sad to say |
| 15:00.26 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4965992.stm |
| 15:00.40 | George | I need to do some coding |
| 15:00.52 | Leeds | I know Naomi :-) |
| 15:02.26 | morsing | Lonix tonight?! |
| 15:02.33 | Leeds | morsing: apparently! |
| 15:02.41 | morsing | Leeds: robins? |
| 15:04.00 | Leeds | Alderman - nominated for the Orange Award for New Writers |
| 15:04.07 | Leeds | I should really get around to reading her book... |
| 15:04.43 | mozrat | This may be a small attendance at Lonix then |
| 15:04.53 | mozrat | simplesimon: I'm going to be there earlier rather than later |
| 15:05.00 | morsing | Where can I get cheap CF media? |
| 15:05.36 | morsing | Do Lonix actually have proper meetings? |
| 15:05.50 | Leeds | most of their meetings are pub'n'food |
| 15:07.11 | wethrin | urghl |
| 15:07.15 | wethrin | morsing: What size CF? |
| 15:07.57 | z00dax | mozrat: what hdd is that in your thinkpad ? |
| 15:08.03 | z00dax | is that a 5400rpm drive ? |
| 15:08.46 | simplesimon | mozrat: I'm aiming for about 1830, but never done the journey - sure I'll see you unless you're only showing your face |
| 15:09.07 | mozrat | simplesimon: No, I'll be there for an hour or so |
| 15:09.11 | mozrat | maybe a bit longer |
| 15:09.17 | mozrat | z00dax: one sec |
| 15:09.21 | simplesimon | skipping the Thai? |
| 15:09.40 | simplesimon | bet Gary Glitter wishes he had |
| 15:09.41 | mozrat | simplesimon: yep |
| 15:09.43 | simplesimon | bum bum |
| 15:09.51 | mozrat | *groan* |
| 15:09.58 | mozrat | z00dax: How can I find out? |
| 15:11.12 | z00dax | mozrat: dmesg | grep < foo> ? |
| 15:11.22 | z00dax | if there is a model number, that could be looked up as well |
| 15:14.02 | mozrat | Hmm, can't see anything in there to identify |
| 15:14.27 | z00dax | dmesg does not say whats on hda ? |
| 15:14.43 | mozrat | sm@linux:~> dmesg | grep hda |
| 15:14.44 | mozrat | EXT3 FS on hda3, internal journal |
| 15:14.59 | simplesimon | my X40 is 40GB 5400rpm, as though that was relevant |
| 15:16.03 | morsing | wethrin: What's best size/price? |
| 15:16.37 | wethrin | Um. I have to find them first :) |
| 15:16.42 | z00dax | mozrat: maybe it lost it there, /var/log/messages might have something |
| 15:16.44 | wethrin | I think there's some 128MB and a 96MB |
| 15:16.50 | z00dax | would dmidecode say something ? |
| 15:17.05 | morsing | wethrin: 1GB? |
| 15:17.07 | Leeds | morsing: did someone ask you to go to Norway? |
| 15:17.10 | z00dax | simplesimon: hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 15:17.12 | morsing | Leeds: No |
| 15:17.13 | z00dax | simplesimon: and post output |
| 15:17.32 | wethrin | morsing: No |
| 15:17.39 | simplesimon | stinkpad not fired up at moment |
| 15:17.48 | simplesimon | gimme a few mins |
| 15:17.58 | wethrin | morsing: Ah. 2x96MB and 1x128MB |
| 15:18.18 | Leeds | morsing: someone did suggest I go to Bangkok... |
| 15:18.20 | wethrin | And the new camera I'm likely to get doesn't use CF.Grrr. |
| 15:19.23 | simplesimon | wethrin: you going to LONIOX tonight ? |
| 15:19.30 | simplesimon | LONIX duh |
| 15:19.40 | Leeds | hmm... dead Firefox... |
| 15:19.49 | wethrin | simplesimon: No. I'm on the wrong side of the country |
| 15:20.50 | simplesimon | k... was going to propose a little swap, never mind. I find novatech pretty good... hate dabs, but only due cs |
| 15:21.22 | wethrin | simplesimon: You have some spare SD cards? |
| 15:21.31 | simplesimon | hope you're on double bubble lol |
| 15:21.41 | z00dax | whats a double bubble |
| 15:21.43 | Leeds | simplesimon: you saw that BT bought Dabs? |
| 15:22.13 | simplesimon | only a 256... but I'll swap it for any SD |
| 15:22.34 | simplesimon | Leeds: they did ? oh .......... cripes |
| 15:22.50 | simplesimon | well 128+ anyway |
| 15:23.07 | wethrin | simplesimon: You mean swap for a CF card? |
| 15:23.30 | simplesimon | one of their teletubbies changed my account password to "wanker" lol |
| 15:23.40 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:23.50 | simplesimon | 'cos I insisted on right of return |
| 15:24.06 | wethrin | Ahh. Dabs aren't very good at returning stuff |
| 15:24.20 | Leeds | impressive |
| 15:24.23 | simplesimon | they actually changed their web page during the tussle |
| 15:24.24 | wethrin | Fortunately Seagate hard drives can be returned directly to the manufacturer |
| 15:24.43 | Leeds | anyway... I've fired up the nightly torrents, and it's time for bed... |
| 15:24.57 | wethrin | night Leeds |
| 15:24.59 | Leeds | say hi to all at Lonix from me :-) |
| 15:25.00 | z00dax | Leeds: nite |
| 15:25.03 | simplesimon | night Leeds |
| 15:25.25 | z00dax | wethrin: you have a broken seagate ? |
| 15:25.57 | wethrin | z00dax: I thought I did. Apparently it was all due to power supply troubles |
| 15:25.57 | wethrin | Oops. |
| 15:26.14 | z00dax | i' like Seagate |
| 15:26.17 | z00dax | and Western Digital |
| 15:26.27 | z00dax | but only if they are the Raptor WDC :) |
| 15:26.52 | z00dax | I am allergic to Maxtors |
| 15:27.13 | simplesimon | z00dax: overtime? |
| 15:27.29 | wethrin | I've got a couple of Maxtor 40GB drives. Only trouble they've caused me is when a pin got broken off the connector |
| 15:27.37 | z00dax | simplesimon: whats that ? |
| 15:27.42 | simplesimon | lol |
| 15:27.52 | z00dax | 40 gig is old enough to not have the sort of problems they do now |
| 15:27.59 | wethrin | It's a new drive :) |
| 15:28.04 | simplesimon | a clue that I used to work in TV |
| 15:28.17 | z00dax | they still make 40 gig drives ? |
| 15:28.56 | simplesimon | 2.5" 40GB still standard in some laptops? |
| 15:29.00 | wethrin | z00dax: Yeah |
| 15:30.42 | stephanb2 | z00dax: wots wrong with maxtors? |
| 15:31.34 | z00dax | stephanb2: they fall over dead all the time |
| 15:31.50 | simplesimon | had 3 fails in about 11 yrs, 2 x IBM SCSI, 1 x Maxtor IDE |
| 15:31.55 | wethrin | Ask 10 different people about hard drives, and you'll get 10 answers as to what brands to avoid |
| 15:32.07 | simplesimon | eleven! |
| 15:32.12 | z00dax | but maxtor will be very high on that list |
| 15:32.24 | z00dax | pretty much noone in the storage biz buys maxtors anymore |
| 15:32.39 | wethrin | I've not had a problem with mine :) |
| 15:33.00 | wethrin | ISTR the only hard drives that have really caused trouble on me (not many) were Micropolis ones |
| 15:33.06 | z00dax | wethrin: never say never! |
| 15:33.14 | z00dax | ooh... Micropolis |
| 15:33.15 | simplesimon | got 2 x Seagate SCSI in ext enclosures from a SKIP 5 yrs ago |
| 15:33.17 | wethrin | (hands up who's old enough to remember Micropolis) |
| 15:33.20 | simplesimon | still going strong |
| 15:33.26 | wethrin | SCSI ones tend to |
| 15:33.35 | wethrin | Unfortunately, the one in my Indy appears to have crapped out |
| 15:35.39 | stephanb2 | 1/4inch |
| 15:35.52 | simplesimon | 8-track! |
| 15:36.36 | simplesimon | I've mentioned this site once before, but got no response... |
| 15:36.56 | simplesimon | do all here know and love www.deadmedia.org? |
| 15:37.19 | simplesimon | don't go there now if you plan attending LONIX |
| 15:37.23 | z00dax | simplesimon: no |
| 15:38.19 | simplesimon | I have some virgin 1" video reels...er... sorry wrong meeting |
| 15:46.12 | simplesimon | ok folks, bathtime, bye for now |
| 15:54.34 | Cope | If you have an 8" floppy, I can't wait to see your hard one. |
| 15:55.45 | wethrin | Bad Cope! :) |
| 15:55.58 | George | Cope: you are fucking hideous |
| 15:58.13 | Cope | George: did you fix your build system? |
| 15:58.34 | George | Cope: no :'( |
| 15:58.43 | George | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=114665236412278&w=2 |
| 16:00.40 | mozrat | wethrin: Op me please |
| 16:00.44 | mozrat | George: prepare |
| 16:02.02 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
| 16:02.54 | George | asshole. |
| 16:04.36 | George | Cope: FIX IT |
| 16:04.50 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next Event Tuesday 25th May @1900 (tbc) - Christopher Fraser (Digital Cinema & Linux) and the Great GLLUG Quiz night. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk. Channel stats http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug |
| 16:05.18 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next Event Tuesday 25th May @1900 (tbc) - Christopher Fraser (Digital Cinema & Linux) and the Great GLLUG Quiz night (There will be *prizes*!!!). http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk. Channel stats http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug |
| 16:05.23 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
| 16:05.47 | George | THE 25TH IS A THURSDAY |
| 16:06.07 | antiphase | omfg |
| 16:06.26 | mozrat | George: well done Sherlock |
| 16:06.49 | mozrat | George: I'm working on a Saturday meet as well - this talker could only do a weeknight |
| 16:06.51 | wethrin | mozrat: George is right, y'know |
| 16:06.58 | wethrin | Take a look at your topic |
| 16:07.04 | George | friday night would be better for me |
| 16:07.10 | mozrat | god-damn it |
| 16:07.13 | mozrat | Op me! |
| 16:07.22 | George | no |
| 16:07.23 | George | wait |
| 16:07.24 | George | it's not |
| 16:07.28 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 16:07.31 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by wethrin |
| 16:07.56 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next Event Thursday 25th May @1900 (tbc) - Christopher Fraser (Digital Cinema & Linux) and the Great GLLUG Quiz night (There will be *prizes*!!!). http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk. Channel stats http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug |
| 16:08.09 | *** kick/#gllug [mozrat!i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org] by mozrat (LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR DICKHEAD.....) |
| 16:08.36 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 16:08.57 | cbz | Where will it be? |
| 16:09.23 | Cope | my money is on 'tbc' |
| 16:09.32 | George | up mozrat's bum |
| 16:09.47 | cbz | I assumed the date was 'tbc' |
| 16:10.42 | skugg | "I am important and I have the exclamation marks to prove it!" |
| 16:16.22 | murb | skugg!!!! after your name even? |
| 16:18.47 | George | MEANIES |
| 16:20.41 | wethrin | rhowe: Woot |
| 16:21.58 | rhowe | Not really.. |
| 16:22.04 | rhowe | It's missing a crucial part of it's requirements |
| 16:24.43 | wethrin | Oh. Send it to me, then |
| 16:25.18 | rhowe | You want a RAID unit which doesn't work with any current free or open source operating system? |
| 16:30.19 | cbz | oh hang on - is that tonight? |
| 16:30.23 | cbz | blimey |
| 16:30.27 | cbz | sic transit gloria mundi |
| 16:33.39 | wethrin | rhowe: Sure |
| 16:33.43 | wethrin | Or does it not work with Solaris either? |
| 16:33.50 | cbz | ANyone else going to Lonix? |
| 16:37.44 | Cope | nope, only mozrat, drinking alone, again. |
| 16:42.29 | cbz | Heh. |
| 16:50.06 | *** join/#gllug keithlard (n=john@host217-34-140-129.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:50.10 | keithlard | :D |
| 16:51.31 | rhowe | wethrin: No Solaris support, I don't think |
| 16:51.38 | rhowe | wethrin: It barely has Windows 2000 support |
| 16:52.17 | wethrin | Boh |
| 16:52.23 | wethrin | rhowe: Well, if it's free.... |
| 16:54.56 | keithlard | jaffa cake anyone? |
| 16:59.00 | stephanb2 | time 2 go home |
| 16:59.08 | stephanb2 | press that [Render] button |
| 16:59.27 | stephanb2 | let those Xeons hum in the evening |
| 16:59.34 | keithlard | :) |
| 17:00.08 | stephanb2 | Empty the recycle bin |
| 17:01.20 | stephanb2 | cu guys tmr! |
| 17:01.23 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 17:16.00 | z00dax | keithlard: hola |
| 17:16.15 | z00dax | has anyone actually gone down to the Lonix meet then ? |
| 17:16.45 | wethrin | mozrat, I think |
| 17:21.46 | keithlard | hi :> |
| 17:34.33 | morsing | Woooo |
| 17:34.44 | morsing | rhowe: Why can't I msg you? |
| 17:36.39 | rhowe | morsing: Maybe you need to be registered with nickserv? |
| 17:53.06 | morsing | rhowe: It won't let me |
| 17:53.29 | George | sausages! |
| 17:53.46 | morsing | It actually said *you* weren't registered |
| 17:53.52 | morsing | HOW DO I REGISTER? |
| 17:54.02 | morsing | COME ON SOMEONE MUST KNOW |
| 17:55.03 | George | die |
| 17:55.04 | George | DIE |
| 18:34.55 | z00dax | morsing: /msg nickserv help register |
| 18:35.35 | rhowe | morsing: OK, I'm now registered |
| 18:36.07 | George | some tit has nicked my USB flash mass storage device |
| 18:37.24 | rhowe | It was him |
| 18:37.55 | George | :'( |
| 18:38.01 | George | where in god's name is it |
| 18:38.03 | George | grrr |
| 18:40.46 | George | grrr |
| 18:56.02 | mikejw | lo |
| 19:09.37 | George | z00dax: !!! |
| 19:09.57 | z00dax | its not half bad, just a lot slower than gnome |
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| 19:11.38 | z00dax | hi jackds |
| 19:11.41 | z00dax | jackds: gnome or kde ? |
| 19:12.09 | jackds | hi x00dax |
| 19:12.14 | jackds | kde |
| 19:13.47 | jackds | sorry about the typo z00dax |
| 19:13.58 | z00dax | ok so how do i get the title bar's in kde to not take up half the screen ? |
| 19:14.08 | z00dax | window title bar's that is |
| 19:14.18 | mozrat | evening |
| 19:15.48 | z00dax | hi mozrat |
| 19:16.12 | jackds | evening mozrat |
| 19:16.55 | jackds | z00dax Iam not sure my window title bars are quite small. |
| 19:17.09 | mozrat | kde++ |
| 19:17.13 | z00dax | jackds: what theme do you use ? |
| 19:17.31 | z00dax | mozrat: i am trying to find out - the only thing I've ever really liked in kde - is Konsole |
| 19:17.41 | jackds | none - well the default |
| 19:17.44 | z00dax | not sure if its now worth the effort to move wm from gnome |
| 19:17.50 | z00dax | jackds: what version ? |
| 19:18.52 | jackds | never been asked that I dont know |
| 19:19.02 | jackds | hang on I will look |
| 19:20.08 | jackds | it says 3.00.00 |
| 19:21.07 | boudiccas | jackds; thats old, current version is 3.5.2 |
| 19:21.14 | jackds | I used Gnome for ten days in 1999 and hated it. it may have got better since then. |
| 19:21.55 | jackds | tend to stick with old desktop because I know it |
| 19:22.08 | mozrat | My KDE experience was a month or two on caldera in 99/00 and the past 2 days on SUSE10 |
| 19:22.24 | jackds | this is suse 10 here |
| 19:22.33 | z00dax | SuSe Sux |
| 19:22.34 | mozrat | obviously everyone should use GNome all of the time but still |
| 19:22.38 | mozrat | kde++ |
| 19:22.50 | boudiccas | jackds; newer versions have more bells and whistles, not all of which are useful |
| 19:23.18 | boudiccas | mozrat; you'll get better :) |
| 19:23.32 | jackds | Not really interested in bells and whistles just in getting work done. |
| 19:24.07 | mozrat | hi boudiccas, how are you? |
| 19:24.19 | boudiccas | mozrat; hiyas, tired :) |
| 19:24.33 | boudiccas | currently listening to radio 2 via their feed |
| 19:24.36 | mozrat | boudiccas, how so? |
| 19:24.45 | boudiccas | old age :o)))))) |
| 19:25.00 | mozrat | boudiccas, ahh. happens to us all |
| 19:25.05 | boudiccas | lol |
| 19:25.12 | mozrat | apart from George |
| 19:25.22 | George | ? |
| 19:25.22 | mozrat | who is ageless |
| 19:25.25 | boudiccas | ah, peter george pan |
| 19:25.26 | z00dax | the new Gnome is quite nice, and a lot more responsive than KDE { so it feels so far } |
| 19:25.28 | George | I'm ADORABLE |
| 19:25.41 | boudiccas | sex who! :)))))) |
| 19:25.45 | George | ? |
| 19:25.47 | boudiccas | *sez |
| 19:25.52 | mozrat | George, i concur |
| 19:25.56 | George | mozrat: ? |
| 19:26.08 | mozrat | you are adorable. |
| 19:26.10 | boudiccas | back to me knitting |
| 19:26.18 | George | fatty! |
| 19:26.26 | boudiccas | moi? |
| 19:26.37 | mozrat | boudiccas, make me something!! |
| 19:26.46 | boudiccas | such as? |
| 19:27.25 | mozrat | I dunno - you are going to be knitting it |
| 19:27.31 | mozrat | what can you do?? |
| 19:27.47 | boudiccas | loads of choice. scarfs, jumpers, cardigans, teddy bears |
| 19:28.08 | mozrat | tuxs? |
| 19:28.20 | boudiccas | currently knitting xmas pressies for this year :) |
| 19:28.31 | boudiccas | not found a pattern for one yet |
| 19:28.47 | mozrat | there is one around |
| 19:29.04 | boudiccas | if you find a pattern then i'm interested |
| 19:29.18 | mozrat | sounds like a challenge |
| 19:29.27 | boudiccas | yes :) |
| 19:29.53 | mozrat | :-) |
| 19:30.42 | *** join/#gllug George (i=authdeni@vm.gwright.org.uk) |
| 19:30.42 | boudiccas | hooray |
| 19:30.46 | boudiccas | :oPPPP |
| 19:32.43 | mozrat | ill find one |
| 19:40.51 | z00dax | mozrat: are you at Lonix ? |
| 19:41.42 | *** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 19:42.11 | George | I HATE THE SCHOOL NETWORK |
| 19:42.19 | George | WHAT SORT OF A CRAPPY NETWORK GOES DOWN EVERY 2 MINUTES? |
| 19:43.51 | z00dax | George: adsl-max in most of the UK |
| 19:44.07 | George | no, seriously, it goes down every 2 minutes |
| 19:44.08 | George | quite literally |
| 20:00.29 | boudiccas | mozrat; if you do find one can you email me the url, or the pattern itself? And when i get time i'll have a go at one :) |
| 20:04.23 | z00dax | bbiab |
| 20:04.29 | shai | cya |
| 20:12.19 | SlayerXP | # roses are red, violets are blue |
| 20:12.35 | SlayerXP | # sign up for my antispam service errr... |
| 20:12.39 | SlayerXP | # dooby dooby doo |
| 20:12.40 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 20:12.52 | SlayerXP | (bored) |
| 20:13.52 | shai | i would switch with you in a sec ! |
| 20:14.10 | shai | i've worked my entire day on getting my server back up ... |
| 20:14.13 | SlayerXP | but....? :) |
| 20:14.17 | SlayerXP | there's usually a but |
| 20:14.32 | shai | but that's not gonna happen :) |
| 20:40.46 | George | moo |
| 20:40.46 | George | MOO! |
| 20:40.51 | George | sausages and lemons! |
| 20:42.49 | wethrin | Yeah! Sossidges! |
| 20:43.24 | George | :D |
| 20:44.14 | wethrin | George! |
| 20:44.20 | George | wethrin! |
| 20:50.42 | z00dax | shai: what was wrong with your server that it needed a full days recovery ? |
| 20:51.25 | shai | one of the sites on it got defaced. |
| 20:51.43 | z00dax | ah, are you the person with that centos machine ? |
| 20:51.49 | shai | due to bad php code for a site counter called 'dmcounter' |
| 20:51.56 | shai | z00dax, i am. |
| 20:52.12 | z00dax | and why are you not running selinux ? |
| 20:52.27 | z00dax | was there more to it than just a single site getting defaced? |
| 20:52.33 | shai | for one... cuz i'm not fimilar with it... |
| 20:52.59 | shai | z00dax, i don't know to tell you for sure ... that's why leeds and other said I *need* to re-install the machine. |
| 20:55.00 | z00dax | thats always the only real option.... |
| 20:55.12 | George | z00dax: still no reply from the carphone warhouse |
| 20:55.20 | z00dax | George: call them |
| 20:55.25 | George | nah |
| 20:55.39 | George | I'm not in desperate need of it |
| 20:55.42 | z00dax | shai: how are you hosting sites ? where are you storing the users webdata ? |
| 20:59.18 | shai | z00dax, i'm hosting them on my own server. |
| 20:59.31 | z00dax | sure |
| 20:59.48 | z00dax | but where ? are these people hosting in their own /home/<username>/public_html ? |
| 21:00.01 | z00dax | or are you doing something like a /var/www/<username/sitename>/ ? |
| 21:00.01 | shai | i'm have a /www dir ... there i have each domain in his own dir .. and under it i have a 'sites' 'data' 'logs' dir for each domain |
| 21:00.08 | z00dax | right |
| 21:00.10 | z00dax | oooh |
| 21:00.18 | shai | i do not have users on my box. |
| 21:00.23 | shai | i run the entire show... |
| 21:00.37 | shai | i do have some sites for family and friends... but i do all the work. |
| 21:00.38 | z00dax | so noone else to blame then ? |
| 21:00.54 | shai | i'm not looking to blame anyone. |
| 21:01.02 | z00dax | ok, so /www/<sitename>/sites - has the webroot ? logs is obvious - whats under data ? |
| 21:01.10 | shai | i didn't know dmcounter was a bad choice and i'll have to learn from it. |
| 21:01.45 | shai | data ... for example, like Gallery .. the site is where you said it would be.. the images on the other hand, will reside in the data dir. |
| 21:02.29 | z00dax | ok, fair enough |
| 21:03.02 | shai | i will be more strict next time about what code goes where and when. |
| 21:03.05 | z00dax | shai http://www.centos.org/docs/4/html/rhel-selg-en-4/ |
| 21:03.20 | shai | z00dax, i understand you know your CentOS ... |
| 21:03.22 | z00dax | start there, all you need is to reuse 3 ( or 5 actually ) selinux contexts |
| 21:03.58 | z00dax | easy way to start is -> leave selinux on but in permissive mode, then look at the dmesg or /var/log/messages log's to see whats going on |
| 21:04.10 | mozrat | z00dax: was at Lonix - now at home watching Monday nights episode of 24 |
| 21:04.14 | z00dax | everytime there is a violation, a log entry will be made, but it wont stop anything from runnin. |
| 21:04.21 | mozrat | boudiccas: I will do |
| 21:04.53 | z00dax | shai: work with that log, and within a few hours you should have the first /www/<site> sorted, then just replicate the chcon commands on the other place, then go back to selinux in enforcing mode |
| 21:05.06 | mozrat | Henry Gilbert. |
| 21:05.09 | mozrat | Enough said |
| 21:05.19 | wethrin | mozrat: Henry was there? |
| 21:05.20 | z00dax | shai: = Henry Gilbert ? |
| 21:05.25 | z00dax | oh |
| 21:05.31 | mozrat | wethrin: no |
| 21:05.32 | mozrat | z00dax: no |
| 21:05.37 | mozrat | mailing list |
| 21:05.48 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 21:05.49 | shai | i'm sorry ? |
| 21:05.53 | wethrin | Now? |
| 21:05.55 | mozrat | shai: don't worry |
| 21:06.11 | mozrat | well - I just read it now - my eyeballs are itching again |
| 21:06.12 | wethrin | Ahh, the trolling |
| 21:06.13 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:06.17 | mozrat | shai: mistaken identity |
| 21:06.22 | shai | k |
| 21:06.32 | mozrat | shai: are you on the road to recovery? |
| 21:06.47 | shai | z00dax, thanks for the suggestion. i'll read up on it later... and see if i can make it work for me. |
| 21:06.54 | shai | mozrat, what do you mean? |
| 21:07.07 | mozrat | shai: your server - are you "recovered" now? |
| 21:07.11 | shai | oh ... |
| 21:07.16 | mozrat | i was r00t3d once - was 'orrile |
| 21:07.16 | shai | well... |
| 21:07.20 | mozrat | 'orrible |
| 21:07.32 | mozrat | didn't enjoy it at all |
| 21:07.34 | shai | yea.. it isn't a nice place to be in. |
| 21:07.40 | z00dax | shai: oops |
| 21:07.44 | mozrat | shai: yep :-| |
| 21:07.45 | shai | mail is up. |
| 21:07.56 | shai | websites are comming a live, slowly. |
| 21:08.06 | z00dax | good - you had backups |
| 21:08.14 | shai | it is now more then 14 hours into recovery. |
| 21:08.20 | shai | and it is 00:08 here. |
| 21:08.31 | mozrat | ouch |
| 21:08.32 | wethrin | Oh, you're in some silly timezone? |
| 21:08.32 | z00dax | your not in the UK ? |
| 21:08.33 | shai | i'm tried. |
| 21:08.42 | shai | tired. |
| 21:08.50 | shai | nope. |
| 21:08.53 | shai | i'm in Israel. |
| 21:09.08 | shai | btw: my server wasn't the only one that got defaced today... |
| 21:09.37 | shai | i had another server i setup a couple of years back that also got rooted today... |
| 21:10.14 | shai | so for now, i remotly halted it and since it was a holiday today, they won't know about it till i tell them tomorrow. |
| 21:10.43 | shai | and i told them this week that we should upgrade their server... |
| 21:11.12 | shai | the guy was like "we'll think about it... extra expense ..." |
| 21:11.32 | shai | and i was offering my time to help them upgrade ... with no charge. |
| 21:13.44 | z00dax | what distro was on that other machine ? |
| 21:18.58 | z00dax | shai: conversation here is never really in hyper mode, unless mozrat and George are talking about each other. |
| 21:20.07 | George | :) |
| 21:20.20 | shai | lol |
| 21:20.27 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 21:20.30 | shai | it was MDK9.1 |
| 21:20.36 | shai | with that same dmcounter on it... |
| 21:20.44 | shai | stupid dmcounter code! |
| 21:20.58 | shai | but that machine really got rooted... |
| 21:21.06 | z00dax | hummm |
| 21:21.08 | shai | i mean .. it even had some eggdrop processes running... |
| 21:21.22 | z00dax | ouch |
| 21:21.55 | z00dax | this time, maybe cron a yum process to make sure you know whats being updated, and see if you can get selinux working - it will help a lot in such cases |
| 21:21.56 | shai | yea... they'll be "happy" when i call them in the morning to tell them that a day ago i had to remotly turn off their mail/web server. |
| 21:22.16 | z00dax | right |
| 21:22.23 | z00dax | SIGFOOD #gllug |
| 21:22.36 | shai | yes, i've already setup yum ... but not as cron, as service. chkconfig --add yum |
| 21:23.03 | shai | those are the nightlies.... |
| 21:23.07 | z00dax | yup |
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| 21:50.27 | JAV | hi |
| 21:57.10 | z00dax | JAV: |
| 22:11.21 | George | moo |
| 22:41.00 | shai | g'night guys.. and thanks for the help today (mentally too...) |
| 22:41.05 | George | heh |
| 22:44.53 | z00dax | shai: ta |
| 22:48.16 | rhowe | The subject of the message is: BBC Real Story collecting tales of 'cyber-crime' |
| 22:48.16 | rhowe | The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: |
| 22:48.17 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.17 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.29 | z00dax | they dont like you anymore rhowe |
| 22:50.33 | rhowe | hahaha, from the divisiontwo.com site Henry Gilbert posted - http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/utilityshootout.html |
| 22:50.39 | George | moo |
| 22:50.48 | shai | z00dax, can i ask you just one last thing before i goto bed... |
| 22:50.54 | z00dax | shai: sure |
| 22:50.58 | shai | that site, that had dmcounter on it... |
| 22:51.30 | shai | each page contained a 4 lines in the head of the file ... |
| 22:51.40 | shai | <?php $Seite='Home'; |
| 22:51.40 | shai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.40 | shai | ?> |
| 22:52.08 | shai | how can I grep the entire directory for that site, and remove those 4 lines from each file that it finds...? |
| 22:52.30 | shai | 3 lines. |
| 22:53.18 | z00dax | grep for what you need, feed that to sed |
| 22:53.32 | shai | i don't exactly know how to do that... |
| 22:53.39 | shai | can you help me with the command? |
| 22:55.09 | z00dax | sure, give me 5 min |
| 22:55.40 | rhowe | heh, http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm |
| 22:59.54 | shai | nice one rhowe |
| 23:00.07 | shai | i can't belive i can still read at 02:00 am |
| 23:00.20 | shai | hint hint |
| 23:10.32 | rhowe | "So is the mini a maxi value? For me, clearly, no. When I consider that a good deal of my time is spent running applications like Disk Defragmenter, Scandisk, Norton AV, Windows Update and Ad-Aware--none of which are available for the Mac platform--it doesn't make sense for me to "switch" to a Mac at this time" |
| 23:14.17 | rhowe | "Linux zealots will try to say that their platform isn't plagued by things like email viruses, but with Windows XP I don't gotta worry about emailing viruses to my friends and family at all. The built-in email client Outlook Express does it automatically, in the background. " |
| 23:27.27 | George | ibot change 25000 GBP to USD |
| 23:45.02 | rhowe | Anyone know where to get pizza at 1am in London? |
| 23:45.09 | rhowe | Seems all the local places are shut already |