| 00:31.18 | arika-chan | that's handy |
| 00:31.19 | arika-chan | :) |
| 00:33.28 | Tarragon | Been away for far too long |
| 00:33.43 | arika-chan | nitexx |
| 00:33.49 | z00dax | arika-chan: nn |
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| 03:25.57 | Leeds | good lord |
| 05:37.36 | shai | morning ... |
| 05:37.38 | shai | hi Leeds |
| 05:56.11 | Cope | morning shai |
| 05:57.18 | shai | hi |
| 06:25.29 | shai | what's the linux alternative for exchange? |
| 06:26.09 | shai | something that one can even use when working under windows ... |
| 06:26.15 | shai | like with Mozilla Calendar |
| 06:30.52 | Cope | ah, this is a big question |
| 06:31.01 | Cope | what do you need to do? |
| 06:31.09 | Cope | is it just email with integrated shared calendar? |
| 06:31.19 | shai | my friend started a new company ... |
| 06:31.24 | Cope | how much of a "groupware" solution is needed? |
| 06:31.29 | shai | he has a few employees now ... |
| 06:31.51 | shai | he needs to be able to work with them to schedule meetings ... |
| 06:32.04 | shai | he does not want to buy M$'s SBS |
| 06:33.27 | shai | there should be a central db that so he can, at any time, check out the "free" time for any employee... thus being able to schedule a meeting that all of the needed attendents be available... |
| 06:34.22 | shai | be saying "he" ... i mean anyone that needs/has accesss to read the other person's schedule |
| 06:34.25 | shai | via the central db |
| 06:35.12 | Cope | okay |
| 06:36.13 | Cope | i am out of date, but i would spend some time googling for linux exchange alternatives; linux shared calendar; etc |
| 06:36.25 | Cope | i remember there being a few options |
| 06:36.33 | shai | i see... |
| 06:36.39 | Cope | then once you are familiar with some options, and maybe have some specific questions |
| 06:37.06 | shai | thanks :) |
| 06:37.08 | Cope | write an email to the list saying what you;ve researched, what candidates you've lined up, and asking if anyone has experience with these |
| 06:37.21 | shai | thank you |
| 06:37.40 | Cope | i'll have a look too, as it is something that interests me, and it would be good to update my knowledge |
| 06:38.03 | Cope | you will find this is a VFAQ amongst linux advocates, so you should get some ideas pretty quickly |
| 06:38.37 | Cope | the important thing to do is get a specification of what you need ahead of time; otherwise the goalposts will move, and you'll find your solution doesn't meet the requirements |
| 06:45.05 | shai | i've already found this nice project: The Kolab Groupware Project |
| 06:45.13 | shai | kolab.org |
| 06:45.47 | shai | which, at first glance, seems like the idle solution .. and that it is an active project. |
| 06:47.59 | shai | there even is a thunderbird plugin for Kolab ... which is basically a way of sharing info under and IMAP folder ... |
| 06:48.01 | shai | Thunderbird Plugin: Sync Kolab |
| 06:48.05 | shai | http://www.gargan.org/extensions/synckolab.html |
| 06:48.48 | shai | so once you have the Kolab server going, you just add the plugin to your TB (which isn't the only available Kolab client) and sync via IMAP ... |
| 07:14.12 | Cope | sounds ok |
| 07:14.38 | Cope | i'd now look for critical reviews of kolab |
| 07:14.56 | Cope | because you'll find people have used it; and discovered its drawbacks |
| 07:15.54 | shai | i've also joined the mailing list .. so i can get an overview of it... |
| 07:16.05 | Cope | cool |
| 07:17.12 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:17.39 | Cope | hi SlayerXP |
| 07:18.00 | shai | morning SlayerXP |
| 07:20.06 | SlayerXP | has george returned to us yet? :) |
| 07:20.26 | shai | Cope, yet installing Kolab would proove harder then most... |
| 07:20.50 | shai | since there is only a debian rpm for it... if one needs to install from source, there are way to many packages |
| 07:21.18 | Leeds | morning shai, all |
| 07:21.28 | shai | hi Leeds |
| 07:21.55 | Cope | shai: why would you want to install from source? |
| 07:21.57 | shai | how can one download this entire dir http://max.kde.org:8080/mirrors/ftp.kolab.org/server/release/kolab-server-2.0.3/sources/ ? |
| 07:22.12 | Cope | shai: if there is a maintained package, you're in business |
| 07:22.20 | shai | i don't see one... |
| 07:22.28 | shai | just for debian .. and I use CentOS |
| 07:22.31 | Cope | ah ok |
| 07:22.38 | Cope | let's look |
| 07:22.43 | Leeds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v0T0hM_ejQ is what I queued for over 3 hours outside for last night |
| 07:23.05 | shai | they do say something about openpkg .. but i'm guessing that is how they package the lot ... |
| 07:23.39 | Cope | http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Installation_on_Centos_4.3 |
| 07:23.41 | shai | and again... just for debian |
| 07:23.47 | shai | Cope, it is empty ... |
| 07:23.52 | Cope | follow the link |
| 07:24.10 | shai | it is an empty article (been there, done that) |
| 07:24.29 | shai | doh! |
| 07:24.34 | shai | my bad |
| 07:24.38 | Cope | i know :) |
| 07:25.48 | shai | now downloading :) |
| 07:26.01 | Cope | you are doing this on a test machine, right? |
| 07:26.08 | shai | yes :) |
| 07:26.12 | Cope | good good |
| 07:26.18 | shai | i have a testing centos pc i use... |
| 07:26.25 | Cope | ok |
| 07:26.26 | shai | just some old P3 if i'm not mistaken |
| 07:26.30 | Cope | sure, ideal |
| 07:26.37 | shai | yes :) |
| 07:26.53 | shai | lastnight, i did a mondo backup of my new installed server. |
| 07:27.07 | Cope | where did you store the tapes? |
| 07:27.11 | shai | oh, and i finished re-installing and re-building my other server that got rooted :) |
| 07:27.29 | shai | no... i stored it on NFS mount and then burned it on three CDs. |
| 07:27.54 | shai | i will need to shutdown the box though, install a new HDD and test the restore.... |
| 07:28.06 | shai | i'll do that later... |
| 07:28.13 | SlayerXP | it's too early for the backup nazi |
| 07:28.27 | Cope | aww, and i'd prepped it so nicely for you :) |
| 07:28.28 | shai | lol |
| 07:28.41 | shai | oh! |
| 07:28.52 | shai | i have another project i wish to engage in ... |
| 07:28.56 | Cope | righto |
| 07:28.59 | shai | i have another celeron pc ... |
| 07:29.08 | SlayerXP | i'm sorry to hear that |
| 07:29.10 | shai | i want to know if i can make it my router? |
| 07:29.11 | Cope | do you need a doorstop? |
| 07:29.37 | SlayerXP | shai: you have my permission to do so |
| 07:29.41 | shai | i mean... i want it to dail my L2TP connection ... and then be my firewall and NAT device. |
| 07:29.51 | shai | dial* |
| 07:29.58 | Cope | sounds feasible to me |
| 07:30.04 | shai | yea? |
| 07:30.07 | SlayerXP | there's plenty of router-orientated distros out there |
| 07:30.08 | Cope | i have a shit old laptop doing something similar |
| 07:30.11 | shai | i've never done that before... |
| 07:30.31 | shai | but i really don't want to use my router anymore ... i want to learn to do this myself. |
| 07:30.43 | shai | how the connection is setup ... made, bla bla bla |
| 07:31.10 | shai | i've never setup a dial (PPP, L2TP or PPTP) connction on linux |
| 07:31.49 | shai | well, first step would be to install CentOS on that old box... |
| 07:31.57 | Leeds | I have it the other way around - a dedicated hardware router on which I've replaced the firmware with an open Linux |
| 07:32.03 | shai | with minimal packages |
| 07:32.34 | shai | Leeds, but have you built the linux firmware yourself? |
| 07:33.09 | Leeds | nope. downloaded it - openwrt |
| 07:33.16 | shai | nice |
| 07:33.36 | Cope | shai: not dissing centos in any way, as I use it extensively myself, but for these sort of projects I always use debian; more packages; kept updated and secure; no fucking about with source. |
| 07:35.17 | shai | oh ... |
| 07:35.25 | SlayerXP | those who do not understand debian are doomed to reimplement it. badly. |
| 07:35.42 | shai | Cope, and when you say "sort of projects" you mean both? |
| 07:35.43 | Leeds | I, of course, say the opposite |
| 07:36.00 | Cope | yes, but we ignore you. |
| 07:36.10 | Leeds | start with slack - gives you a basic, clean, stable system on which to build whatever you want |
| 07:36.14 | shai | btw: at work ... we use only debian ... |
| 07:36.20 | shai | on both servers and clients. |
| 07:36.37 | shai | all approx. 300 pcs have debian installed... some version or another. |
| 07:36.58 | shai | all with a self copmiled kernel to meet each need for both servers and clienst. |
| 07:37.12 | SlayerXP | phew |
| 07:37.20 | SlayerXP | i had a shock there for a moment |
| 07:37.24 | SlayerXP | thought I was out of diskspace |
| 07:37.34 | shai | heh |
| 07:37.57 | SlayerXP | well, I mean I _am_ out of diskspace but it doesn't matter |
| 07:38.09 | Cope | I did exactly as Leeds suggests, when i was learning linux; slackware is great, but these days I don't see it having any advantage over centos or debian |
| 07:38.21 | morsing | Mmm... Coffee |
| 07:38.24 | shai | but at home... i found it better to use CentOS since my most important server is my mail server... and I like using Qmail Toaster for that ... and it is best installed on CentOS4 |
| 07:38.37 | Cope | shai: interesting concept |
| 07:39.26 | Cope | shai: with centos 4 you have postfix out of the box; 4< you have sendmail; debian you have exim; I don't really see why you would need anything else |
| 07:40.09 | SlayerXP | Cope: did you see my "shooting yourself in the foot with MTAs" rant? :) |
| 07:40.34 | SlayerXP | Cope: http://blog.halon.org.uk/2006/04/26#mta-shooting |
| 07:41.30 | morsing | SlayerXP: Well done |
| 07:41.40 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:41.52 | morsing | Leeds: What is "beaming"? |
| 07:42.09 | Leeds | morsing: sending over IR |
| 07:42.24 | morsing | But only to other Treos? |
| 07:42.29 | Cope | SlayerXP: exim: something happened, but you couldn't navigate your way through the infinite numbers of config files to find the bullet, and because you haven't bought the book, you never will. |
| 07:42.40 | Leeds | nope - it uses standard OBEX |
| 07:42.52 | SlayerXP | Cope: nice one. I'll pass it along |
| 07:43.11 | Leeds | there are some things it makes no sense to beam to non-PalmOS devices... |
| 07:44.10 | morsing | Mmm... OBEX and coffee |
| 07:45.18 | Leeds | you can certainly send things like vcards and image files back and forth over OBEX quite happily with arbitrary devices |
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| 07:46.36 | Cope | w00t |
| 07:46.39 | Cope | clyphox! |
| 07:46.42 | Leeds | hey clyphox! |
| 07:46.53 | clyphox | :) |
| 07:46.53 | Cope | clyphox: tony's away, so dave can play! |
| 07:47.02 | clyphox | how did ya know!? |
| 07:47.06 | Leeds | Cope: by the way, what do you mean by infinite numbers of config files? |
| 07:47.19 | shai | Cope, well... i just like QT :) |
| 07:47.23 | clyphox | yeah u gotta run outta inodes at some point ;) |
| 07:47.50 | shai | i like the support, i like the people that work on it and some have become my friends... so i just like using it. have been for three years now. |
| 07:49.02 | shai | plus, QT is a fully featured mail server at the end of the install ... spam filtering, virus scannig, ssl support, web managment, imap, smtp, pop3 .. etc etc |
| 07:49.43 | shai | which, sendmail, exim and postfix, alone, are not. |
| 07:49.58 | Leeds | what does it used for pop/imap? |
| 07:50.15 | Cope | Leeds: you can have exim config in one file, or split into many; it is more usual these days to have them split into many; certainly its recommended under debian. |
| 07:50.51 | SlayerXP | i prefer the split config |
| 07:51.01 | SlayerXP | it makes dropping in new stuff easier |
| 07:51.35 | Cope | shai: that's a pretty un-unix way to think |
| 07:51.46 | shai | i know... |
| 07:51.58 | Cope | shai: heh, why not just use IIS; then you get a webserver and ftp server thrown in as well |
| 07:52.03 | SlayerXP | I keep meaning to submit my mailman config to the exim4 maintainer |
| 07:52.19 | shai | but then again, i was just a couple of month into linux when i installed my first mail server (QT) |
| 07:52.48 | clyphox | I thought QT was the kde ugliness |
| 07:52.57 | shai | QmailToaster |
| 07:53.16 | shai | we do too, at work. |
| 07:53.21 | clyphox | ooh qmail :) |
| 07:53.27 | shai | Leeds, courier imap |
| 07:53.30 | Cope | shai: you run sendmail on debian? |
| 07:53.33 | SlayerXP | exim makes the nomrla things easy and the hard things possible and maintainable |
| 07:53.39 | clyphox | qmail rocks, DJB can be a bastard tho |
| 07:53.40 | SlayerXP | normal |
| 07:53.55 | SlayerXP | qmail is unmaintained tosh, DJB is an idiot |
| 07:54.01 | Cope | hear hear |
| 07:54.14 | Leeds | it's appallingly non-Unix |
| 07:54.40 | shai | Cope, is there a problem with using sendmail? |
| 07:55.12 | SlayerXP | there's no problem with sendmail as such |
| 07:55.22 | Cope | just taht you'll get less suport from the debian community; and will have to rip out exim |
| 07:55.30 | SlayerXP | people just tend not to use it these days for muc ht e same reasons that trepanning isn't common either |
| 07:55.32 | shai | i'm not 100% sure of the mail server setup we have... but i'm pretty sure it is sendmail under a debian server... |
| 07:55.47 | SlayerXP | much the same reasons |
| 07:56.33 | shai | well... let Leeds tell you what he thinks of my CTO about these things... |
| 07:56.48 | shai | we don't even have an AV on our mail server... |
| 07:56.53 | SlayerXP | Dear sendmail, we love you, you faithfully transported our mail for years. Sadly, this is now the 21st century, and you're still living in the early 1990s." |
| 07:57.02 | shai | my CTO likes doing things his own way ... |
| 07:57.14 | Cope | i don't know the figures, but sendmail is still probably the most widely used, but not on new deployments |
| 07:57.16 | shai | i asked him the other day via email why we don't have an AV ... |
| 07:57.35 | shai | he said in reply, "it is at lower priority" |
| 07:57.41 | Cope | and the "new" version of sendmail (x?) is basically just a reimplementation of postfix |
| 07:58.03 | Cope | so in 10 yrs, I suspect sendmail will be pretty uncommon |
| 07:58.04 | Leeds | Cope: is it released and stable? |
| 07:58.22 | Cope | Cope: I don't think it has a stable release yet |
| 07:58.26 | Cope | Leeds: you too |
| 07:59.18 | Cope | X-0.1.Beta1.0 is available for testing (2006-02-04). |
| 07:59.55 | Leeds | Cope: talking to yourself again |
| 08:00.06 | Cope | Cope: yes |
| 08:00.34 | Cope | right, i need breakfast |
| 08:00.37 | Cope | so does william |
| 08:00.58 | clyphox | hmmm.. good thinking |
| 08:02.54 | Leeds | bought Diamonds Are Forever, A View To A Kill and Goldeneye the other day :-) |
| 08:03.03 | morsing | Leeds: Does coffee count? |
| 08:04.16 | Leeds | morsing: of course - where do you think the term bean-counter comes from? |
| 08:06.46 | SlayerXP | i had lunch with pierce brosnan and lucy lui on the set of tommorow never dies |
| 08:08.02 | Cope | how did you fit them into your busy schedule? Did you give your PA a stern ticking off for not consulting you first? |
| 08:08.27 | SlayerXP | i was doing some image database consultancy for Eon Productions |
| 08:09.00 | clyphox | and that got u on set? woot |
| 08:20.06 | SlayerXP | 1.4 years of mail done, 3.6 to go. |
| 08:27.54 | SlayerXP | 1.75 |
| 08:28.46 | Leeds | murb: not, I'm sure, that it would affect your question... but shai isn't in the UK |
| 08:30.58 | murb | oh greaterlondoninternationlcentossupportingling |
| 08:31.18 | shai | heh |
| 08:33.23 | Tarragon | Probably the country code in the IRC header saying Israel might be a clue? |
| 08:35.45 | mozrat | hi Tarragon |
| 08:38.03 | Tarragon | Hoi mozrat |
| 08:40.03 | mozrat | or rather takes Miss mozrat (9) |
| 08:40.15 | SlayerXP | your wife is 9? |
| 08:41.58 | murb | SlayerXP: the ninth wife? |
| 08:42.25 | murb | or maybe the 10th if it is an index |
| 08:42.54 | murb | Tarragon: i don't do a /whois on the complete channel! |
| 08:43.21 | murb | shai: fwiw i never had any problems getting l2tp working under linux. |
| 08:43.31 | murb | atleast when i was using it as a trnasferport over ipsec. |
| 08:44.06 | shai | i'm looking for a howto that will explain this to me ... |
| 08:45.46 | murb | http://www.funknet.org/doc/tunnel/l2tp.xml # however that only shows server side. |
| 08:46.16 | murb | i did have it working userside as well from linux using l2tpd though. |
| 08:46.52 | Cope | woo Tarragon |
| 08:47.07 | Cope | Miss mozrat rocks |
| 08:47.33 | Tarragon | Hi Cope |
| 08:49.39 | Tarragon | At work I am locked out of IRC. They even block pings out. Only have http through port 80 to get out :-( |
| 08:51.00 | murb | Tarragon: so install net::irc or whatever iti s called. |
| 08:51.12 | murb | Tarragon: do they permit https? |
| 08:51.31 | Tarragon | Tarragon runs away to find out what that is... |
| 08:51.33 | murb | if so just run a sshd on port 443 and use connect |
| 08:51.38 | Tarragon | Yes https is OK |
| 08:51.46 | murb | Tarragon: then it should be trivial to get out |
| 08:51.55 | murb | is it via a microsoft proxy server? |
| 08:52.02 | murb | which requires authentication? |
| 08:52.49 | Tarragon | I don't know. Yes for Auth through their proxy |
| 08:53.35 | Cope | ibot change 40 gbp to eur |
| 08:53.41 | murb | Tarragon: it might be possible to just use putty |
| 08:53.49 | murb | Cope: a euro is about 70p if that helps |
| 08:53.57 | murb | and 1/0.7 is about 1.4 |
| 08:54.09 | murb | atleast that is what i tend to use |
| 08:54.36 | Tarragon | Putty pings out are blocked. |
| 08:54.50 | murb | Tarragon: i think putty supports http connect |
| 08:55.04 | Cope | ibot change 2000 gbp to eur |
| 08:55.24 | murb | the way a proxy handles https is via the connect method |
| 08:55.46 | murb | so CONNECT http://myserver.blah:443 HTTP/1.0 |
| 08:55.46 | shai | murb, well.. my ISP took care of the server side setup :) |
| 08:55.55 | murb | shai: indeed |
| 08:56.16 | murb | shai: |
| 08:56.21 | shai | they were too kind :) |
| 08:56.23 | murb | ust you use a certificate for authetncation |
| 08:56.25 | murb | ? |
| 08:56.29 | murb | or just usename/pw? |
| 08:56.41 | shai | username/password |
| 08:56.46 | murb | good |
| 08:57.09 | murb | shai: how are you connected now? |
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| 09:00.09 | shai | basically... |
| 09:00.18 | shai | i have a cable modem connected to my router... |
| 09:00.36 | shai | it dynamically provides my router with an IP... |
| 09:00.53 | shai | and my router uses L2TP to dailup to my ISP's gateway with a user/pass |
| 09:00.56 | murb | so you want to replace the route with a linux box? |
| 09:01.03 | shai | yep... |
| 09:01.05 | murb | and you get dhcp or something from the cable modem? |
| 09:01.10 | shai | right |
| 09:01.14 | murb | sounds sane |
| 09:01.16 | shai | at the 72. range |
| 09:01.38 | shai | but that does't make any difference or matter to you ... |
| 09:07.48 | eeeyore | shai is a "roadwarrior" :) |
| 09:08.10 | shai | what does that mean? |
| 09:08.47 | eeeyore | actually i think that term applies to laptop users who connect to L2TP with dynamic IPs |
| 09:09.29 | eeeyore | But ever since configuring an L2TP i've wanted show off all the lingo i picked up :) |
| 09:10.12 | eeeyore | http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_snaps/CURRENT-SNAP/doc/intro.html#road.intro |
| 09:10.54 | morsing | Welcome to all the new people :) |
| 09:11.00 | eeeyore | mornin |
| 09:15.53 | z00dax | mornings! |
| 09:18.22 | Cope | woo z00dax |
| 09:20.44 | morsing | How many amps can an insulated 35mm2 copper wire handle? |
| 09:21.52 | z00dax | heya Cope, howse things with you ? |
| 09:23.51 | morsing | z00dax? |
| 09:24.02 | morsing | You didn't answer my question |
| 09:24.20 | Cope | z00dax: ok thanks' about to go to shops with william |
| 09:29.25 | shai | noon z00dax |
| 09:35.10 | z00dax | morsing: there was a time when I could have answered that off the top of my head, no longer so now. |
| 09:35.13 | z00dax | shai: hey |
| 09:38.08 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 09:38.33 | shai | hi |
| 09:39.17 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 09:39.19 | ibot | Leeds: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 09:41.08 | SlayerXP | cyrreconstruct take a while to run on 5 years of mail.... |
| 09:42.01 | Cope | bummer |
| 09:43.25 | Tarragon | It's about 3 |
| 09:43.36 | morsing | Tarragon! |
| 09:43.41 | morsing | Where have you been?! |
| 09:43.42 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 09:44.05 | Tarragon | A little ill - I managed to break my neck |
| 09:44.17 | morsing | Ooooo |
| 09:45.39 | Tarragon | Fine now, except it is probably not a good idea to play rugby any more (Looks at ever increasing middle and notes would be out of breathe too quickly anyway) |
| 09:46.30 | morsing | How's the Amstrad? |
| 09:47.38 | Tarragon | Amstrad's are OK. We celebrated the Sinclair QL's 21st birthday and it is still running fine. |
| 09:48.19 | morsing | Ahh... Sinclair. Couldn't remember, sorry :) |
| 09:48.35 | Tarragon | No, have Amstrads as well :-) |
| 09:49.14 | Tarragon | What tools are available to administer an MS server remotely? Do any work over ssh ? |
| 09:49.31 | Cope | Tarragon: usually one uses rdp |
| 09:49.47 | morsing | Gotta go to Halford to buy replacement parts for the stuff the fire ruined... |
| 09:49.55 | Cope | Tarragon: you could install cygwin, and run sshd, and then administer some things on the command line |
| 09:50.49 | mozrat | Tarragon: there are tools to do a lot with MS servers over SSH but they aren't so nice to use |
| 09:50.57 | mozrat | xcalcs, netsh etc |
| 09:52.18 | *** join/#gllug JAV (n=JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:52.29 | JAV | hello |
| 09:52.39 | mozrat | It's JAV |
| 09:53.30 | Tarragon | The Wintel people I think use some form of screen scraper and are saying RSA cards are required. I thought SSH was more secure and could be cheaper. Client is a little (OK incredibly) sensitive and will not even confirm what encryption is allowable. |
| 09:54.28 | Leeds | Tarragon: hello, long time no see! |
| 09:55.38 | Tarragon | Yes You were doing something in girl's lingerie the last time I heard? |
| 09:56.15 | Leeds | still am |
| 09:56.33 | Leeds | been here a year, almost to the minute, now |
| 09:56.39 | Tarragon | That came out much worse that I meant it to. You are doing IT for a lingerie company? |
| 09:57.26 | Leeds | some IT, some non-IT - mainly IT |
| 09:59.10 | shai | almost a year, ah? |
| 09:59.17 | shai | type flys.... |
| 09:59.28 | shai | hmm.... how time flys... |
| 09:59.32 | Leeds | yeah |
| 09:59.40 | Leeds | like a banana |
| 09:59.52 | Tarragon | Planning to be there long? |
| 09:59.54 | shai | i remember you sleeping at my house just yesterday :) |
| 10:00.16 | shai | and when do you plan you next trip up to the promissed land :) |
| 10:00.21 | shai | lol |
| 10:00.32 | Leeds | I'm thinking a few more years... then aliyah :-) |
| 10:00.40 | shai | really? |
| 10:00.48 | Leeds | sure, why not? |
| 10:01.00 | shai | donno... your choice i guess... |
| 10:01.09 | shai | i wouldn't ... but then again .. i live here... |
| 10:01.38 | Leeds | by that point, Israel will be a shining jewel in a peaceful and democratic middle east |
| 10:02.32 | shai | indeed. |
| 10:02.57 | shai | and you would have been the first to have said it ;) |
| 10:03.04 | Leeds | either that, or Kadima will have established a benign dictatorship... |
| 10:03.21 | shai | while sharon would have c |
| 10:03.43 | shai | puled out of his coma ... |
| 10:04.08 | Leeds | be realistic - that's never going to happen :-( |
| 10:04.09 | shai | murb, almost there mate... you still around? |
| 10:04.28 | shai | lol |
| 10:04.43 | shai | well... if you can't laugh about it.. what else can you do? |
| 10:04.51 | Leeds | Cope: particularly given the Hebrew pronunciation |
| 10:06.06 | boudiccas | I'm Sharon, and I'm not in a coma, although I haven't slept at all in the last 24 hours |
| 10:06.47 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.36 | Leeds | boudiccas: but are you in Essex? |
| 10:08.06 | boudiccas | Leeds; no, in Kent |
| 10:08.25 | boudiccas | Maidstone to be exact |
| 10:08.27 | Leeds | and I assume you're not Ariel either? |
| 10:08.29 | Cope | shops & |
| 10:08.54 | boudiccas | I'm not a soap powder! |
| 10:09.07 | Leeds | mmm... HIGNFY |
| 10:09.19 | Leeds | but you are Bold, I assume... |
| 10:09.41 | boudiccas | not sure |
| 10:10.03 | boudiccas | :) |
| 10:10.07 | murb | shai: i am |
| 10:10.11 | murb | just working on something else |
| 10:10.14 | murb | feel free to ping me. |
| 10:11.21 | shai | yea... almost done with the updates though i didn't find what i need to install for l2tp |
| 10:11.33 | murb | you don't have an l2tpd package? |
| 10:11.46 | shai | i search yum and didn't find one... |
| 10:11.54 | shai | yum search l2tp |
| 10:18.03 | shai | you still don't think that what I need is http://opensource.katalix.com/openl2tp/ ? |
| 10:18.23 | shai | is there something smaller and better suited for what i need? |
| 10:20.24 | murb | yes just the normal l2tpd daemon as is in debian for instance |
| 10:21.32 | shai | oh, i thought the daemon is for the server side... |
| 10:21.37 | murb | no |
| 10:21.42 | shai | i downloaded l2tp not l2tpd |
| 10:21.44 | murb | it also implement the client side |
| 10:21.50 | murb | s |
| 10:22.09 | shai | ok |
| 10:22.11 | shai | i got it. |
| 10:22.24 | shai | w8ing for the pc to reboot .. and then i'll try to install it. |
| 10:28.49 | shai | this does not look good http://pastebin.com/701579 |
| 10:29.24 | shai | what the heck does that mean? |
| 10:31.16 | shai | maybe i need the kernel source |
| 10:31.37 | Leeds | always |
| 10:31.46 | Leeds | still shouldn't segfault though |
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| 10:35.45 | shai | well... i don't see if i can source the kernel using yum |
| 10:35.48 | shai | i have 2.6.9-34.EL |
| 10:38.41 | morsing | puckman |
| 10:38.43 | morsing | ! |
| 10:42.23 | boudiccas | The Dark Ages was caused by the Y1K problem |
| 10:42.27 | Leeds | that's not the problem there |
| 10:51.26 | shai | there seems to be a repo for that pkgd |
| 10:51.28 | shai | i'll do this later. |
| 10:51.29 | shai | cya |
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| 11:30.25 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 11:31.23 | Leeds | morsing: pong |
| 11:33.55 | morsing | Leeds: I have still not been able to a one single MMS message to anyone. I just get a weird error |
| 11:34.30 | Leeds | MMS is an unreliable technology |
| 11:34.54 | Leeds | it was an unfortunate attempt by the industry to cash in on the SMS explosion |
| 11:37.00 | Leeds | anyway, talk to your network - more than anything, it's likely to be a combination between your settings, your network's settings, and the recipient's and recipient's network's settings |
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| 11:40.53 | morsing | cbz! |
| 11:41.07 | morsing | cbz: Tarragon is here :) |
| 11:41.10 | cbz | morsing! |
| 11:41.14 | cbz | Tarragon? |
| 11:41.17 | cbz | hi tarragon |
| 11:41.35 | cbz | You know, that thread on gllug left me with the perhaps unfortunate impression that George was the Star Wars Kid |
| 11:42.31 | Leeds | I thought the thread was a little out of order |
| 11:42.52 | morsing | Leeds: Why? |
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| 11:43.06 | morsing | Gonz0! |
| 11:43.26 | wethrin | hello |
| 11:43.27 | morsing | cbz: Clearly you're new ;-) |
| 11:43.28 | Leeds | a little too blunt |
| 11:43.33 | wethrin | Tarragon: Hello! |
| 11:43.43 | morsing | Leeds: We're talking about George! |
| 11:43.45 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:43.51 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 11:43.59 | morsing | wethrin: What do you think? |
| 11:44.16 | wethrin | I try to avoid thinking |
| 11:44.52 | morsing | To be honest, every day is abuse George Wright day |
| 11:44.53 | Leeds | hence your current profession |
| 11:45.36 | Leeds | morsing: it is here... I don't think it's right to bring it out to the list, out of any context |
| 11:46.27 | morsing | Leeds: I actually agree. Was he drunk? Does George read the list? |
| 11:48.26 | morsing | Leeds: So you recommend pssh then? |
| 11:48.44 | Leeds | he seems to be on the list but not very active |
| 11:48.55 | Leeds | I don't know if I'd go as far as recommend - but I use it and it works :-) |
| 11:49.16 | Leeds | managed to impress someone by checking a bittorrent status from a cab at 1:30 this morning |
| 11:49.34 | morsing | Leeds: Was she cute? |
| 11:49.44 | Leeds | no, he wasn't |
| 11:50.06 | Leeds | he also wasn't in the cab with me at the time... |
| 11:50.06 | mozrat | Hi folks |
| 11:50.46 | Leeds | ooh, official temp in HK hit 30 degrees today for the first time this year - and I was feeling grumpy, so I skipped the beach this afternoon |
| 11:50.51 | Leeds | evening mozrat |
| 11:50.54 | morsing | What's a PRC binary? |
| 11:50.58 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 11:51.13 | mozrat | hi morsing, Leeds |
| 11:51.35 | Leeds | a prc is a palm resource file - in most cases, either a program or a plugin of some sort |
| 11:52.13 | morsing | Is that what I need then? Not zip or tgz? |
| 11:52.21 | mozrat | I might have to ditch netvibes.com - my current RSS reader - they are beginning to suck |
| 11:52.55 | Leeds | prc is a regular binary... you could also get a zip or tgz which will probably contain a prc file |
| 11:53.00 | Leeds | mozrat: I use bloglines... |
| 11:53.55 | morsing | Leeds: If I do 'pilot-xfer -i <file>' how do I tell it to go to the expansion card? Can it even? |
| 11:54.05 | mozrat | Leeds: I might use Liferea and tie it in to Beagle |
| 11:55.14 | mozrat | Kudos to netvibes for support OPML export |
| 11:55.21 | Leeds | morsing: -D maybe - if I want something to go on a card, I put it on a card... |
| 11:56.02 | Leeds | mozrat: my main issue is that I want something which works well on the treo when I'm out and about... I started writing a pygtk front-end for bloglines, to give it a desktop interface, but got stuck when I needed to actually do something with html |
| 11:56.05 | morsing | Leeds: How? Just copy the .prc to the card would work? |
| 11:56.14 | morsing | Installing pssh-2005_06_23.prc Time elapsed: 0:00:07 |
| 11:57.52 | Leeds | when you put the card in the running Treo, it goes to the main Launcher and shows an empty 'category' for the card, right? |
| 11:58.02 | *** join/#gllug morsing_ (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 11:58.24 | Leeds | morsing: oh, and if you don't have it yet, find and install Filez - a GPLed file manager |
| 11:58.38 | Leeds | easy way to copy things to and from the card on the device itself |
| 11:58.51 | morsing | Leeds: How? Just copy the .prc to the card would work? morsing_ has joined but nothing I type get here? |
| 11:59.11 | morsing | Leeds: You didn't answer my question though |
| 11:59.22 | Leeds | last night I made space on my SD card while at the bun festival using filez, so my tall friend could video the bun run |
| 11:59.30 | Leeds | you answer my question |
| 11:59.48 | morsing | What question? |
| 12:00.07 | morsing_ | hello? |
| 12:00.12 | Leeds | do you get a blank 'category' up in the launcher when you put a card in? |
| 12:00.20 | morsing_ | hey , amazing |
| 12:00.31 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:01.11 | Leeds | right - now if you look at the card you will see a directory \palm\launcher (possibly some case differences) - that directory shows up as though it was in the device's RAM |
| 12:01.53 | Leeds | so if you put a pdb or prc file in there, it will appear as though it was local - doesn't work in 100% of cases, but it's pretty good |
| 12:02.34 | morsing | But I don't need to unpack the .prc file?! |
| 12:03.06 | Leeds | unpack? |
| 12:03.20 | morsing | Yes, like tar xfz file.prc |
| 12:03.31 | Leeds | a prc file is not an archive |
| 12:03.39 | morsing | Why doesn't the Treo have underscore anywhere? |
| 12:03.42 | morsing | Right |
| 12:03.48 | Leeds | see the Alt key? |
| 12:03.54 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:04.17 | morsing-treo | ? |
| 12:04.29 | Leeds | enter something - say, "-" - then hit alt to get a little pop-up with the alternative versions of that character |
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| 12:04.50 | morsing | "This key lets you enter... Blah-blah" |
| 12:04.55 | morsing | Doesn't work |
| 12:05.04 | morsing-treo | - |
| 12:05.16 | Leeds | oh, for some reason it doesn't work in pssh |
| 12:05.25 | morsing-treo | ,k |
| 12:05.46 | Leeds | it has three levels of onscreen keyboard - full, none, and "only the missing keys which I'm likely to want while sshing" |
| 12:06.10 | morsing | What type of terminal does it run? |
| 12:06.27 | Leeds | vt100ish |
| 12:07.02 | Leeds | hmm... mine is sending xterm as the terminal type - dunno if that's the default |
| 12:07.07 | morsing-treo | _ |
| 12:07.11 | morsing | :) |
| 12:07.28 | Leeds | there you go :-) |
| 12:07.38 | Leeds | it's good enough that my coloured bash prompt works |
| 12:07.41 | morsing | How do I remove the on-screen keyboard now? |
| 12:07.57 | morsing | Right, my irssi colours don't work |
| 12:08.19 | morsing-treo | got it |
| 12:08.26 | Leeds | I have the small onscreen keyboard there all the time |
| 12:08.36 | morsing-treo | 'k |
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| 12:10.12 | morsing | How do I get the menu shortcuts marked like /K |
| 12:10.47 | morsing-treo | |
| 12:11.47 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 12:11.53 | morsing | Why are you avoiding me? |
| 12:12.51 | Leeds | morsing: if you had an old-fashioned Palm with a grafitti (text recognition) input area, you'd do that stroke followed by the letter to run the command... |
| 12:13.06 | Leeds | since you have a new Palm without handwriting input, you just do menu-letter |
| 12:14.00 | boudiccas | ah, a nice quiet peaceful George-free day :) |
| 12:14.04 | Leeds | have you installed filez yet? |
| 12:14.19 | boudiccas | yes, and tibr too |
| 12:14.29 | boudiccas | tibr = tiny book reader |
| 12:14.52 | morsing | wethrin: Hopefully never |
| 12:14.54 | boudiccas | he's coaching/teaching archery today |
| 12:14.56 | Leeds | boudiccas: plucker is better and you know it :-) |
| 12:15.02 | morsing | Leeds: Plunker? |
| 12:15.06 | boudiccas | no, i prefer tibr |
| 12:15.07 | Leeds | plucker |
| 12:15.25 | Leeds | boudiccas: we've done this before and I decided you were wrong... so that's the end of that |
| 12:15.46 | boudiccas | it has a digital clock in its output which reminds me of the time so i don't read too long |
| 12:15.49 | Leeds | what device do you have? |
| 12:16.01 | boudiccas | and a battery monitor in its display too |
| 12:16.06 | boudiccas | palm m130 |
| 12:16.38 | Leeds | ah, well... on a more modern device, a more modern reader :-) |
| 12:16.56 | boudiccas | with about 100 ebooks on the card ready to read :) |
| 12:17.24 | boudiccas | and about 1000 ready to load on too :) |
| 12:18.00 | Leeds | main problem with plucker is that the conduit side of things is a bit crap |
| 12:18.12 | boudiccas | try tibr |
| 12:18.26 | boudiccas | you might be pleasantly surprised |
| 12:18.27 | Leeds | believe me, I was doing DOC a long long time ago |
| 12:18.38 | Leeds | I did some hacking on a GPLed DOC reader |
| 12:18.50 | boudiccas | i like pdb |
| 12:19.10 | Leeds | pdb is meaningless... that's like saying you like files containing 8-bit bytes |
| 12:19.49 | Leeds | pdb just mean 'data file' |
| 12:20.09 | boudiccas | Leeds; and prc too, but that may be a bit too close to home for you :o) |
| 12:20.44 | Leeds | prc means something slightly different |
| 12:21.00 | boudiccas | Palm Data Base isn't it? |
| 12:21.10 | Leeds | although I haven't done much PalmOS hacking in a while, there was a time I knew a lot about the internal structures |
| 12:21.15 | boudiccas | peoples republic of china :) |
| 12:21.30 | Leeds | pdb means palm database, prc means mainland china and palm resource file |
| 12:21.34 | rhowe | morsing: Avoiding? |
| 12:21.46 | rhowe | Leeds: It's a conspiracy |
| 12:21.49 | boudiccas | just wish that i'd got the special spanner/allen key to take the back off to chnage the battery on my old one |
| 12:21.58 | Leeds | they both have essentially the same format - which is, of course, just a serialised format of an in-memory format |
| 12:22.15 | Leeds | the differences are in the flags... there's an executable flag, and a resource flag |
| 12:22.15 | boudiccas | bbiam, cakes done |
| 12:22.49 | Leeds | if a non-resource file is executable, it means it wants a prc to run it - if a prc is executable, it's a program |
| 12:22.51 | morsing | Leeds: I just restored a directory with MP3 files to the device with the -r option |
| 12:23.07 | morsing | It said files transferred but they're nowhere to be seen |
| 12:23.08 | Leeds | uh, what? |
| 12:23.21 | Leeds | you cannot store arbitrary files in internal storage |
| 12:23.36 | Leeds | or, well, maybe you can, but you can't just shove them in there |
| 12:23.49 | boudiccas | mmm, a nice fruit loaf cooling ready for tea time :) |
| 12:24.06 | Leeds | morsing: it does not have a regular filesystem! |
| 12:24.21 | morsing | Leeds: So how do I delete the files now |
| 12:24.26 | Leeds | filez! |
| 12:24.50 | boudiccas | filez rulez |
| 12:25.02 | Leeds | boudiccas: seen cspotrun? |
| 12:25.18 | boudiccas | yes, now that >is< old :) |
| 12:26.18 | morsing | Leeds: I think I've broken it |
| 12:28.23 | Leeds | morsing: how much stuff did you try to install? |
| 12:28.55 | Leeds | boudiccas: I wrote a half-working version of it called CFSpotRun for the first expandable Palm - the TRGPro - which I won a pre-mass-production sample of at a Palm developer's conference in London in 1999 |
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| 12:30.12 | Leeds | ar__! |
| 12:30.18 | clyphox | Aaarrr!! |
| 12:30.29 | boudiccas | Leeds; you do go back aways then with palm :o) |
| 12:31.12 | ar__ | lol |
| 12:31.46 | Leeds | I do... I took a break for a few years, and I haven't really done any hacking since getting a Treo last year |
| 12:32.32 | boudiccas | i don't hack mine, i just use it for reading on. I haven't been in a dead tree library for years :) |
| 12:32.34 | clyphox | http://profiles.yahoo.com/cfspotrun |
| 12:34.34 | Leeds | yeah... that's not me |
| 12:35.09 | clyphox | I found it amusing (the thought of a project having a dating profile) hehe |
| 12:36.59 | Leeds | http://www.asia-city.com/events/hklive/gigs/gigs.php |
| 12:44.25 | clyphox | wish I was there |
| 12:44.41 | Leeds | I'll let you know how it is :-) |
| 12:51.32 | shai | ping murb |
| 12:51.54 | shai | Installed: l2tpd.i386 0:0.69-0.2.20051030.el4.kb |
| 13:01.05 | morsing | dcwcw |
| 13:02.48 | shai | ? |
| 13:05.44 | morsing | Leeds: So, I've put a folder with MP3 files in Album. How do I lpay them? |
| 13:08.14 | Leeds | Album? |
| 13:08.24 | Leeds | Audio, I hope... |
| 13:08.40 | Leeds | you can use RealPlayer, installed in ROM - or look at tcpmp |
| 13:08.41 | morsing | Right |
| 13:11.44 | morsing | Thanks |
| 13:13.24 | morsing | Hmm... It skips when I use the Treo for other stuff at the same time |
| 13:19.03 | shai | Leeds, where's everyone gone to? |
| 13:19.05 | Leeds | yeah, realplayer sucks |
| 13:19.17 | Leeds | shai: no idea - I'm about to go out - it's 2120 here :-) |
| 13:19.24 | shai | oh |
| 13:19.27 | shai | k |
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| 13:32.47 | Leeds | time to go get indie |
| 13:33.00 | Leeds | eeeyore: hello and goodbye |
| 13:33.39 | eeeyore | bye |
| 13:34.49 | eeeyore | what's the grub command for single user login? |
| 13:35.28 | eeeyore | got it |
| 13:35.31 | eeeyore | single |
| 13:40.24 | shai | cya Leeds |
| 13:46.44 | eeeyore | linux and cdrom drive locking |
| 13:46.50 | eeeyore | i wonder if they will ever sort it out |
| 13:47.25 | eeeyore | pressing the eject button should do the same thing as right clicking and eject under gnome |
| 13:47.41 | mozrat | eeeyore: does on my thinkpad |
| 13:48.01 | eeeyore | maybe it's just this old version of linux |
| 13:48.12 | mozrat | it might be the CD-ROM drive not sending a standard signal on thebutton press |
| 13:48.20 | mozrat | I heard that somewhere once |
| 13:48.37 | eeeyore | heh, works under windows |
| 13:48.45 | eeeyore | could be technically right of course |
| 13:50.00 | eeeyore | i'm switching a couple of machines over to linux at work you really notice all the flaws in the software running on linux |
| 13:50.03 | eeeyore | like firefox |
| 13:50.20 | eeeyore | is the firefox rendering always slow on linux i'm sure 1.5 is slower |
| 13:50.44 | eeeyore | new tab and i can see the white flow down the screen on an a recently purchased Athlon |
| 13:50.46 | mozrat | yeah, people who like Linux are too forgiving of it's flaws - normal users are a lot more harsh |
| 13:51.03 | eeeyore | somewhere along the lines they lost some kind of graphics hardware acceleration |
| 13:51.23 | eeeyore | that's the problem when you ignore all the existing accelerated libraries like kde and gnome |
| 13:51.28 | eeeyore | and decide to write it all yourself |
| 13:51.53 | eeeyore | firefox rendering is now noticeable slower than the rest of GTK/Gnome and much slower than windows |
| 13:52.09 | eeeyore | i find it quite annoying |
| 13:52.30 | eeeyore | and a plugin to the IDE i use has a bug that causes it to suck 100% cpu on linux |
| 13:52.59 | eeeyore | i guess just more people need to use linux, so all these things get a higher priority |
| 13:53.26 | mozrat | eeycatch 22 I'm afraid |
| 13:53.32 | eeeyore | the performance bugs for linux are not marked as critical or blockers for the next version of firefox. |
| 13:53.39 | eeeyore | i spent 30mins looking at bugzilla |
| 13:53.59 | eeeyore | and a lot of them are marked as "not bug" |
| 13:54.29 | eeeyore | which i understand as a developer as they are too vague, but you can be damn sure they'd be grouped into a metaperformance bug if they were on windows |
| 13:56.48 | eeeyore | one performance bottleneck that affects dhtml performance (2% cpu on IE and 60% cpu usage on firefox) has been there since 2003 and is still open :) |
| 13:57.05 | eeeyore | atleast that affect windows firefox users too :) hehe |
| 13:57.11 | mozrat | :) |
| 13:59.46 | z00dax | eeeyore: one point... |
| 14:00.24 | z00dax | firefox for me is faster on linux for me, than my co-workers windows setup |
| 14:00.30 | z00dax | we have near identical setup's |
| 14:01.25 | eeeyore | faster loading |
| 14:01.32 | eeeyore | what annoys me is the GUI speed |
| 14:01.38 | z00dax | ( not talking about specific test cases, where gecko render is more expensive - the dhtml thing you mentioned is known ) |
| 14:01.49 | z00dax | its much faster on the GUI + Render for most things as well |
| 14:01.56 | eeeyore | the GUi compared to gtk apps is slow |
| 14:02.06 | eeeyore | and if you are start to do other stuff on the system and have many tabs open |
| 14:02.11 | z00dax | not for me, if it is - i cant notice it |
| 14:02.16 | eeeyore | on linux the gui starts to become unresponsive |
| 14:02.24 | z00dax | eeeyore: humm what sort of a machine are you using ? |
| 14:02.26 | eeeyore | are you using 1.5? |
| 14:02.38 | eeeyore | Athlon64 with 1.5 gig ram |
| 14:02.46 | eeeyore | and an ATI onboard graphics |
| 14:02.48 | z00dax | [kbsingh@zen ~]$ rpm -q firefox |
| 14:02.48 | z00dax | firefox-1.5.0.2-1.2.fc5 |
| 14:02.53 | eeeyore | same as me |
| 14:03.07 | eeeyore | when you do new tab can you actually see the white flood down the screen |
| 14:03.11 | z00dax | [root@zen ~]# lspci | grep VGA | grep ATI |
| 14:03.11 | z00dax | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X700 (PCIE) |
| 14:03.23 | z00dax | err no i cant |
| 14:03.25 | eeeyore | using default drivers? |
| 14:03.52 | z00dax | I am using a self hacked version of ati drivers, since they didnt know about xorg-7 or modular X a few weeks back |
| 14:03.59 | eeeyore | bother |
| 14:04.07 | eeeyore | this may be part of the cause |
| 14:04.10 | z00dax | 10 min back |
| 14:04.18 | z00dax | [root@zen ~]# glxgears |
| 14:04.18 | z00dax | 41175 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8234.903 FPS |
| 14:04.18 | z00dax | 57752 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11550.255 FPS |
| 14:04.18 | z00dax | 57382 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11476.223 FPS |
| 14:04.22 | eeeyore | i think whatever firefox is using an alternative is very slow |
| 14:04.29 | z00dax | gota be worth that :) |
| 14:06.16 | z00dax | tried seamonkey recently ? |
| 14:06.52 | eeeyore | no |
| 14:07.06 | eeeyore | is that using a later version of gecko than firefox 1.5 or the same? |
| 14:07.27 | z00dax | its a diff tree |
| 14:07.43 | eeeyore | according to what i read the default ati drivers that come with fedora should have 2D accelleration |
| 14:07.55 | eeeyore | unless firefox is using the 3d functions. |
| 14:07.57 | eeeyore | which is possible |
| 14:08.00 | eeeyore | gtk is very fast |
| 14:08.01 | z00dax | i run rawhide, so things tend to change real fast. |
| 14:08.27 | z00dax | humm.. |
| 14:08.44 | eeeyore | is it easy to hack togethor an ati driver? |
| 14:09.12 | z00dax | just use livna's mod- thl did a good job with those |
| 14:09.25 | eeeyore | i tried, i think livna may have been down |
| 14:09.31 | eeeyore | i might pop into the office tomorrow and try |
| 14:09.33 | z00dax | rpm.livna.org ? |
| 14:09.36 | z00dax | fsck... |
| 14:09.49 | eeeyore | i tried thursday |
| 14:09.51 | eeeyore | not today |
| 14:10.15 | z00dax | humm... |
| 14:10.43 | eeeyore | my colleague is already using linux and seems capable of wilfully ignoring the fact that you can see a new tab render and his cpu is stuck at 100% |
| 14:10.45 | z00dax | ok :) its working at the moment. I actually watch that machine in nagios and dont seem to have a downtime for 8 days now |
| 14:11.06 | eeeyore | maybe i got an old address from google |
| 14:11.46 | shai | z00dax shai: whats wrong with yum install l2tpd ? |
| 14:11.48 | eeeyore | so if its working and i have the right address what yum command do i use to upgrade the ati drivers? |
| 14:11.49 | shai | what did you mean? |
| 14:11.56 | shai | oops :) |
| 14:12.08 | shai | z00dax your building as root ? on the server ? same machine that got rooted a few days back ????!! |
| 14:12.16 | shai | what did you mean about that |
| 14:12.26 | z00dax | shai: rather than building it yourself and trying to breakthings, whhy not use the repository ? atleast you get an upgrade path that way |
| 14:12.48 | shai | of course, that's what i did after you told me about the repo. that had it... |
| 14:13.09 | eeeyore | are livna rebuilding the ati module to match each kernel update in fc5? |
| 14:13.13 | z00dax | its also usually a bad idea to be building apps while log'ed in as root, even worse when its a production machine, and the worst if its a machine that was rooted a few days back - since someone is watching it at the moment |
| 14:13.42 | z00dax | eeeyore: yes, they should be - they have hooks in the fedora buildsystem now ( non core, but they watch it close ) |
| 14:14.15 | eeeyore | ok i will try again |
| 14:14.17 | eeeyore | i have hope |
| 14:14.18 | shai | first of all, this is on a test box. 2nd, i re-installed the rooted box the moment i found out it was rooted. |
| 14:14.21 | z00dax | some might argue that having -devel stuff on a production machine is itself a bad idea |
| 14:14.27 | shai | about being root... well... bad habit. |
| 14:14.50 | z00dax | you were going to makeinstall on the test machine and move the stuff to production, how ? |
| 14:15.00 | eeeyore | i had a P4 system with an Nvidia card and firefox 1.0 whilst slower than gtk apps and windows firefox it was a lot faster than fierfox1.5 on the athlon/ATI |
| 14:15.54 | shai | z00dax, didn't say i was going to move it. i was just trying to make; make install; it ... but that didn't work, and after i found out that i can use the repo and get it via yum, all is good and i did just that. |
| 14:16.09 | z00dax | shai: cool. thats my repo btw |
| 14:16.10 | eeeyore | next i just need to debug this faulty tomcat plugin that sucks all my CPU and I should be able to manage the linux switch :) |
| 14:16.18 | shai | z00dax, oh?! |
| 14:16.48 | shai | z00dax, like i said a few days ago ... you know your CentOS :) |
| 14:17.30 | mozrat | shai: z00dax is Mr CentOS |
| 14:17.30 | z00dax | eeeyore: its old age |
| 14:17.37 | mozrat | z00dax: You never sent me that DVD :( |
| 14:17.42 | eeeyore | :) |
| 14:17.43 | shai | anyways... i got that l2tpd install and am waiting for murb which had the config ready to be given to me... so i can setup an l2tp connection to my ISP ... |
| 14:17.56 | z00dax | mozrat: not ready yet :( I keep fixing the odd pkg to add to it |
| 14:18.12 | mozrat | z00dax: ok - don't forget I'm happy to help when it is finished |
| 14:18.15 | z00dax | now i am out of network ports - so till i can get a network link into the machine, i cant get it off :( |
| 14:18.18 | mozrat | or rather my company is :) |
| 14:18.23 | z00dax | mozrat: cheers! |
| 14:18.58 | mozrat | z00dax: All I ask in return is that the next CentOS is named "CentOS 4.x The Mozrat edition" |
| 14:19.09 | z00dax | lol |
| 14:19.29 | eeeyore | how is centos doing? |
| 14:19.40 | z00dax | eeeyore: scary |
| 14:32.39 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 14:32.50 | eeeyore | he left earlier i think |
| 14:32.55 | morsing | ff |
| 14:34.04 | mozrat | 14:32 < Leeds> time to go get indie |
| 14:34.09 | mozrat | 14:32 < Leeds> time to go get indie |
| 14:34.13 | mozrat | 14:32 < Leeds> time to go get indie |
| 14:34.25 | mozrat | yikes |
| 14:34.30 | mozrat | what the hell happened there |
| 14:34.41 | mozrat | *looks at thinkpad suspiciously* |
| 14:49.02 | eeeyore | looks good: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnusers.html |
| 14:51.05 | eeeyore | GNOME 2.16 |
| 14:51.09 | eeeyore | Support for compositing, alpha blending, drop shadows, window transparency and more |
| 14:51.10 | eeeyore | yay |
| 14:51.13 | mozrat | I like the deskbar |
| 14:51.31 | mozrat | Evolution sucks however |
| 14:51.40 | mozrat | especially on SUSE - completely broken |
| 14:51.47 | eeeyore | i used it for a while but the spam filter in thunderbird is quite good |
| 14:52.04 | eeeyore | also thunderbird is crossplatform so i can use it on all the systems i use |
| 14:53.27 | mozrat | Evolution works on all of hte plaforms I want to use :) |
| 14:53.30 | SlayerXP | i don't get any spam for thunderbird to filter |
| 14:53.47 | eeeyore | i have a very old lineone account |
| 14:53.49 | mozrat | is that because you are using this new innovative Spam service? |
| 14:53.50 | eeeyore | tonnes of spam |
| 14:53.55 | mozrat | </cheesy advert> |
| 14:54.02 | SlayerXP | heg |
| 14:54.03 | SlayerXP | err |
| 14:54.04 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 14:57.26 | eeeyore | i've just reinstalled the wrong version of this software 4 times |
| 14:57.33 | boudiccas | mozrat; do you use emacs please? |
| 14:57.39 | eeeyore | and it's still the wrong version! |
| 14:57.47 | boudiccas | eeeyore; practise makes perfect :) |
| 14:57.59 | boudiccas | ibot wake mozrat |
| 14:58.01 | ibot | mozrat: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 14:58.22 | mozrat | boudiccas: sorry |
| 14:58.25 | mozrat | no I don't |
| 14:58.28 | mozrat | I am a vim man |
| 14:58.29 | eeeyore | oh dear |
| 14:58.36 | eeeyore | i think now i nuked postgresql for no reason |
| 14:58.53 | boudiccas | i prefer brillo pads and wire wool myself, but each to his own :o) |
| 14:59.01 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:59.07 | eeeyore | scratchy |
| 14:59.12 | boudiccas | shiny |
| 14:59.26 | eeeyore | i'm not letting you near my frying pan |
| 14:59.49 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/uploads/200602/viman.gif |
| 15:00.29 | boudiccas | sexist! |
| 15:00.34 | boudiccas | :o) |
| 15:01.15 | mozrat | :) |
| 15:01.20 | eeeyore | 5th time lucky |
| 15:01.48 | boudiccas | eeeyore; think of it as learning expereinces :o))))))))) |
| 15:01.59 | eeeyore | ARghhhhh! |
| 15:02.03 | eeeyore | where the hell is this database |
| 15:03.34 | eeeyore | there must be a database hiding in the cat5 |
| 15:05.50 | eeeyore | ah ha |
| 15:05.57 | eeeyore | i think i may have been mislead |
| 15:06.45 | eeeyore | boudiccas: a learning experience in poorly documented finnish wiping software. |
| 15:06.53 | eeeyore | one of those useful 'life skills' |
| 15:11.03 | eeeyore | rm -rf /tmp/* |
| 15:11.05 | eeeyore | one more install |
| 15:11.18 | eeeyore | and then i pretend the error hasn't happened and continue anyway |
| 15:12.08 | mozrat | eeeyore: are you installing or building this software? |
| 15:12.16 | eeeyore | reinstalling |
| 15:12.19 | eeeyore | again and again |
| 15:12.23 | eeeyore | hoping for a clean install |
| 15:12.29 | eeeyore | to try and reproduce a bug |
| 15:12.48 | boudiccas | mozrat; what software do you run your blog with please? |
| 15:12.58 | eeeyore | each time i reinstall the user database already has my username in it |
| 15:12.58 | mozrat | boudiccas: serendipity s9y |
| 15:13.02 | eeeyore | and i have no idea how it got it |
| 15:13.02 | mozrat | www.s9y.org |
| 15:13.35 | mozrat | eeeyore: because the database files aren't gettingg replaced? |
| 15:13.42 | eeeyore | yes |
| 15:13.45 | eeeyore | my guess |
| 15:13.48 | mozrat | boudiccas: it is good |
| 15:14.00 | mozrat | eeeyore: in /var/lib somewhere? |
| 15:14.28 | eeeyore | i believe it is supposed to be entirely enclosed in one directory |
| 15:14.40 | eeeyore | with it's own /var/lib |
| 15:15.35 | boudiccas | mozrat; it looks nice, but i don't like its requirements ... mysql/postgresql. I've never succeeded in setting up either such that i can use them usefully :o( |
| 15:16.02 | boudiccas | thats why i use one that uses plain text files, nanoblogger |
| 15:16.29 | mozrat | boudiccas: I agree with you actually |
| 15:17.32 | boudiccas | i've never found someone to metaphorically hold my hand whilst i try to set it up, or a good howto for complete stupid utter noobs! :) |
| 15:18.21 | mozrat | boudiccas: if you need a hand let me know |
| 15:18.33 | mozrat | boudiccas: do you host your blog on your own server? |
| 15:19.22 | boudiccas | mozrat; taste of linux is on 1&1, i've got my own domain there |
| 15:19.56 | boudiccas | but it doesn't have mysql/postgresql available to me i think |
| 15:20.08 | mozrat | yeah, thats what I was going to ask |
| 15:21.14 | boudiccas | but i do need to get mysql running because i want to have a play with cacti |
| 15:21.21 | boudiccas | on this box |
| 15:21.29 | mozrat | oooh cacti |
| 15:21.32 | mozrat | I loves cacti |
| 15:21.36 | mozrat | it is v. cool |
| 15:21.58 | boudiccas | i've got it installed, but i haven't got the backend database sorted out and running yet |
| 15:22.15 | mozrat | is MySQL running? |
| 15:22.42 | boudiccas | i think it all came to a stop at trying to import the cacti database. yes, mysql is running [i think] |
| 15:22.59 | boudiccas | yes it is |
| 15:23.23 | mozrat | if you run 'show databases;' in mysql what do you have? |
| 15:23.37 | mozrat | I dunno if you want to spend 5 minutes getting it working now? |
| 15:24.21 | eeeyore | i think i may have spotted the problem |
| 15:24.32 | eeeyore | dataintegrity error while unzipping the database |
| 15:25.46 | boudiccas | mozrat; cacti, information schema, mysql, & test |
| 15:26.03 | mozrat | ok - so you have a database already for cacti.... |
| 15:26.07 | boudiccas | mozrat; gladly, any help accepted |
| 15:26.22 | mozrat | run 'use cacti;' and then 'show tables;' |
| 15:26.33 | mozrat | no need to paste the tables here - but are there tables in the database? |
| 15:27.04 | boudiccas | no tables in it |
| 15:27.08 | mozrat | ok |
| 15:27.37 | mozrat | I'm not sure which privileges are required for the cacti database user - I would give it all privileges so run the following command |
| 15:27.51 | boudiccas | yes ... |
| 15:28.10 | mozrat | grant all privileges on cacti.* to cactiuser@localhost identified by 'SOMEPASSWORD'; |
| 15:28.25 | boudiccas | as root or sudo? |
| 15:28.36 | mozrat | inside the MySQL interface where you are right now |
| 15:28.51 | mozrat | it is a database command rather than a shell one |
| 15:29.13 | boudiccas | how do you get the mysql interface? |
| 15:29.34 | boudiccas | i used webmin to look into the database |
| 15:29.39 | mozrat | ahh |
| 15:29.49 | mozrat | in the shell run mysql as root |
| 15:29.52 | boudiccas | but i dont want to use webmin to set it up |
| 15:30.41 | boudiccas | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.41 sec) |
| 15:30.45 | mozrat | good |
| 15:31.07 | mozrat | so in /usr/share/doc/cacti I believe there is a .sql file? |
| 15:31.30 | mozrat | maybe you should run `rpm -ql cacti | grep sql` to get the location of it |
| 15:32.17 | boudiccas | /usr/share/doc/cacti-0.8.6h/cacti.sql |
| 15:32.35 | mozrat | ok - gimme one sec |
| 15:32.46 | boudiccas | k, ty |
| 15:33.48 | mozrat | cd /usr/share/doc/cacti-0.8.6h |
| 15:33.55 | mozrat | mysql cacti < cacti.sql |
| 15:34.00 | mozrat | umm - |
| 15:34.03 | mozrat | yeah, exit MySQL first |
| 15:34.05 | mozrat | and then do that :) |
| 15:35.18 | boudiccas | k, done |
| 15:35.21 | mozrat | coolio |
| 15:35.29 | mozrat | go back into `mysql` |
| 15:35.34 | mozrat | use cacti; |
| 15:35.36 | mozrat | show tables; |
| 15:36.31 | boudiccas | 48 rows in set (0.01 sec) |
| 15:36.37 | mozrat | excellent |
| 15:36.57 | mozrat | so you need to tell cacti how to connect to MySQL |
| 15:37.14 | boudiccas | dont i have to restart mysql first? |
| 15:37.16 | mozrat | rpm -ql cacti | grep config.php |
| 15:37.22 | mozrat | boudiccas: nope, not really |
| 15:37.48 | boudiccas | /usr/share/cacti/include/config.php |
| 15:38.04 | mozrat | $database_default = "cacti"; |
| 15:38.08 | mozrat | $database_default = "cacti"; |
| 15:38.13 | mozrat | $database_hostname = "localhost"; |
| 15:38.24 | mozrat | $database_username = "cactiuser"; |
| 15:38.33 | mozrat | $database_password = "SOMEPASSWORD"; |
| 15:41.57 | boudiccas | $database_type = "mysql"; |
| 15:41.57 | boudiccas | $database_default = "cacti"; |
| 15:41.57 | boudiccas | $database_hostname = "localhost"; |
| 15:41.57 | boudiccas | $database_username = "cactiuser"; |
| 15:41.58 | boudiccas | $database_password = "cacti"; |
| 15:42.00 | boudiccas | $database_port = "3306"; |
| 15:42.02 | boudiccas | in db.php |
| 15:42.15 | mozrat | that sounds like it |
| 15:42.25 | mozrat | Maybe fedora package it slightly differently |
| 15:42.47 | boudiccas | this is centos 4.3 :) |
| 15:42.53 | mozrat | oh! |
| 15:43.01 | mozrat | I blame z00dax then |
| 15:43.10 | boudiccas | the only thing that i've changed is the password |
| 15:43.16 | mozrat | ok |
| 15:43.25 | mozrat | did you set up a cacti user yet? |
| 15:43.35 | boudiccas | can't remember |
| 15:43.50 | mozrat | cron needs to run a little plugin every 5 minutes or so and it is best not to do so as root |
| 15:43.54 | boudiccas | lets set up 'cactiuser' anyway |
| 15:44.01 | mozrat | cool |
| 15:44.33 | mozrat | you know that the cactiuser in the SQL config is just a line in a database.. there is no correlation to that one and then one you are creating now |
| 15:44.57 | boudiccas | so i could run it as 'boztu' [me] on my cron job then? |
| 15:45.03 | mozrat | yep |
| 15:45.21 | boudiccas | what line do i put in the cron jobbie thingie then please? |
| 15:45.27 | mozrat | boztu needs to be able to write to 2 directories |
| 15:45.37 | mozrat | the `rra` and `log` directory |
| 15:45.49 | mozrat | I'm not sure where CentOS will have put them |
| 15:46.14 | mozrat | maybe /var/www ? |
| 15:46.52 | boudiccas | both of them have their owner set to 'cacti' |
| 15:47.08 | mozrat | ahh - the installer may have created that user for you |
| 15:47.12 | mozrat | ok - no worries |
| 15:47.29 | mozrat | and in fact - should also have sorted out the cron as well |
| 15:47.41 | mozrat | rpm -ql cacti | grep cron |
| 15:47.53 | boudiccas | not in /var/www |
| 15:48.14 | boudiccas | /etc/cron.d/cacti |
| 15:48.18 | mozrat | cool |
| 15:48.23 | mozrat | I think you may be all set |
| 15:48.38 | mozrat | what happens in the web interface? |
| 15:49.26 | boudiccas | do i have to open that port for it to be seen? |
| 15:49.56 | boudiccas | in the firewall? |
| 15:50.03 | mozrat | no - the web interface is probably on http://localhost/cacti |
| 15:50.11 | boudiccas | [told you i was a noob!] |
| 15:50.37 | mozrat | the 3306 port is the SQL server and the cacti is talking to that on the local internal network - no firewall thingie required |
| 15:50.52 | boudiccas | You don't have permission to access /cacti on this server |
| 15:51.20 | boudiccas | :o( |
| 15:51.46 | mozrat | rpm -ql cacti | grep http |
| 15:52.00 | mozrat | there should be a httpd include file for it |
| 15:52.26 | boudiccas | /etc/httpd/conf.d/cacti.conf |
| 15:52.39 | mozrat | try and restart httpd |
| 15:52.46 | mozrat | might just need to read in that file |
| 15:54.25 | boudiccas | exactly the same message |
| 15:54.41 | boudiccas | Alias /cacti /usr/share/cacti |
| 15:54.41 | boudiccas | <Directory /usr/share/cacti/> |
| 15:54.42 | boudiccas | Order Deny,Allow |
| 15:54.42 | boudiccas | Deny from all |
| 15:54.42 | boudiccas | Allow from 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:54.42 | boudiccas | </Directory> |
| 15:54.56 | mozrat | are you trying it from the CentOS machine itself? |
| 15:55.01 | mozrat | or another machine? |
| 15:55.33 | boudiccas | this machine,but i substituted 127.0.0.1 for localhost and we're getting somewhere now |
| 15:57.32 | mozrat | you have a nice web interface now? |
| 15:57.37 | boudiccas | its aksing me for the user name and password. is that the same ones as i used for the database? |
| 15:57.42 | boudiccas | *asking |
| 15:57.49 | mozrat | no, it's "admin" and I think "admin" |
| 15:58.45 | boudiccas | woohoo, a spiffing interface. thank you very much mozrat :) |
| 15:58.53 | mozrat | more than welcome :) |
| 15:58.56 | mozrat | glad it works :) |
| 15:58.59 | wethrin | RAAAAAR |
| 15:59.03 | mozrat | What are you going to monitor? |
| 16:00.01 | boudiccas | dunno yet, don't know whats available |
| 16:00.22 | mozrat | your local machine or other machines? |
| 16:00.56 | boudiccas | this one and only machine atm |
| 16:01.03 | mozrat | Cool |
| 16:01.05 | boudiccas | got to build other machines first |
| 16:01.27 | mozrat | you need to get snmp working on the remote machines when you get to that stage |
| 16:02.01 | mozrat | the "s" stands for "Simple" so obviously you'll be fine :-$ |
| 16:02.15 | mozrat | why do all protocols with the word "simple" in the name turn out to be not so simple |
| 16:02.22 | boudiccas | s for sharon :) |
| 16:02.26 | mozrat | :) |
| 16:03.32 | boudiccas | looks like i need to leave it for a while to get the graphs populated |
| 16:03.42 | mozrat | yes |
| 16:05.43 | mozrat | bbiab |
| 16:16.54 | shai | mozrat, the VI man |
| 16:25.53 | *** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 16:44.37 | morsing | mozrat: You pasted 4 times! |
| 16:44.45 | morsing | Wow |
| 16:44.48 | morsing | :) |
| 16:44.52 | morsing | Flashback |
| 16:57.10 | mozrat | where have you two been for the past hour? :) |
| 16:57.57 | shai | hi |
| 16:58.07 | mozrat | hihi |
| 16:58.15 | mozrat | shai: do you have a website/blog? |
| 16:58.28 | morsing | Two? |
| 16:58.32 | shai | what dose this mean: find . -name *backup.tar.gz | xargs /bin/rm 2>/dev/null ; in terms of the last rm command? |
| 16:58.37 | shai | mozrat, sure :) |
| 16:58.39 | morsing | I've been fixing cars :) |
| 16:58.41 | shai | why |
| 16:58.54 | morsing | Gone from 0 to 2 driveable cars in 7 hourzx |
| 16:58.59 | morsing | s/hourzx/hours |
| 16:59.09 | mozrat | shai it means find all files that end in the name "backup.tar.gz" and delete them, discarding any STDERR messages |
| 16:59.12 | wethrin | yay |
| 16:59.23 | mozrat | that * should really be quoted |
| 16:59.32 | shai | mozrat, ok... can you explain the last part ? |
| 16:59.47 | morsing | shai: Starting from where? |
| 16:59.50 | mozrat | 2>/dev/null redirects any error messages to /dev/null |
| 16:59.57 | shai | ...discarding any STDERR messages |
| 17:00.00 | mozrat | so you don't see them in logs or on your screen |
| 17:00.07 | shai | why the 2 ? |
| 17:00.29 | mozrat | your bash shell has 3 "file handles" |
| 17:00.34 | mozrat | 0 = STDIN |
| 17:00.37 | mozrat | 1 = STDOUT |
| 17:00.42 | mozrat | 2 = STDERR |
| 17:00.50 | mozrat | so 2> redirects error messages into a file |
| 17:00.54 | mozrat | in this case /dev/null |
| 17:02.08 | shai | then what would have been the diff if i had 1 there instead of 2 ? |
| 17:02.24 | shai | mozrat, you asked me about a site/blog, i replied. |
| 17:02.46 | mozrat | you don't normally see 1> as you can simply use > |
| 17:03.13 | mozrat | so `find -name "*backup.tar.gz" > /tmp/filename.txt` would redirect STDOUT |
| 17:03.14 | shai | right ... so either way... i don't need 1 nor 2 |
| 17:03.25 | mozrat | I guess `find -name "*backup.tar.gz" 1> /tmp/filename.txt` |
| 17:03.28 | mozrat | would do the same |
| 17:03.34 | mozrat | but I've never tried it tbh |
| 17:03.38 | mozrat | shai: url me? |
| 17:03.48 | mozrat | shai: just out of idle interest |
| 17:03.53 | shai | sure :) |
| 17:04.03 | shai | my fresh baby is mytwocents.info |
| 17:04.30 | shai | my more mature (yet much less used in terms of updates etc) is shaibn.com |
| 17:05.03 | mozrat | tx |
| 17:05.33 | shai | hope you like the first one :) |
| 17:05.57 | mozrat | I do, nice design |
| 17:06.30 | shai | well.. it's a wiki with a theme.. but i've modified the theme to be like i want it :) |
| 17:07.20 | mozrat | although FYI - hovering over your 80x15 links makes the google ads part start to flicker |
| 17:07.23 | mozrat | have you noticed that? |
| 17:07.55 | shai | don't notice that now either.... |
| 17:07.59 | shai | what do you mean exactly? |
| 17:08.12 | shai | oh .. the small icon links on the left? |
| 17:08.27 | *** join/#gllug zx80user (n=adrian@81-1-79-245.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 17:08.28 | shai | sorry, i use firefox on windows and i don't see that... |
| 17:09.00 | mozrat | when I hover above the small link images I get a blue flicker |
| 17:09.01 | shai | nor do i see this on internet explorer |
| 17:09.09 | shai | odd ... |
| 17:09.12 | shai | what browser? |
| 17:09.13 | mozrat | hard to describe but the Google Ads box is jumping up |
| 17:09.19 | mozrat | firefox on Linux |
| 17:09.28 | mozrat | 1.0.7 |
| 17:09.32 | mozrat | don't worry about it |
| 17:09.39 | mozrat | I was just wondering if you had noticed |
| 17:09.43 | shai | well... i guess i can't say that I can know what to do about that.... |
| 17:09.47 | shai | didn't .. not. |
| 17:09.55 | shai | if i had, i would have fixed it... |
| 17:10.00 | mozrat | in fact I can tell you exactly what it is |
| 17:10.05 | shai | my best guess is that i can't please them all :P |
| 17:10.11 | shai | you can? |
| 17:10.13 | shai | do tel |
| 17:10.18 | mozrat | you know how on mouse rollover you brighten the 80x15 images? |
| 17:10.24 | shai | yes. |
| 17:10.29 | mozrat | that mouse rolloff event is causing it |
| 17:10.37 | shai | oh |
| 17:10.43 | shai | and you think you know how i can fix this? |
| 17:10.46 | mozrat | no, both rollon and rolloff do it |
| 17:10.48 | mozrat | Oh no. |
| 17:10.53 | mozrat | I have no idea how to fix it :) |
| 17:10.57 | shai | lol |
| 17:10.59 | shai | k |
| 17:11.21 | mozrat | but it isn't a random flicker - the mouse events cause it |
| 17:11.26 | mozrat | I wouldn't worry about it |
| 17:11.42 | shai | yea... not too many logins to my sites :) |
| 17:12.14 | mozrat | mine eihter |
| 17:12.37 | zx80user | mozrat sounds like you may have the render on demand type thingy on |
| 17:12.40 | shai | it is mostly personal info i like to write down for myself ... and share |
| 17:13.15 | mozrat | zx80user: no idea. it won't have been an event I have enabled from the default |
| 17:13.28 | mozrat | anyways - need to go out and search for fod |
| 17:13.30 | mozrat | food |
| 17:13.33 | mozrat | bye |
| 17:13.44 | shai | cya |
| 17:15.25 | zx80user | mozrat try about:config as your url |
| 17:16.28 | mozrat | zx80user: which parameter? |
| 17:16.41 | zx80user | err. hold on a sec |
| 17:17.10 | mozrat | there is nothing when I filter for "render" or "demand" |
| 17:17.17 | zx80user | nglayout.initialpaint.delay what does it say? |
| 17:17.42 | mozrat | Hmm, don't have that |
| 17:17.57 | mozrat | I have nglayout.debug.enable_xbl_forms |
| 17:18.05 | mozrat | and nglayout.events.dispatchLeftClickOnly |
| 17:18.20 | mozrat | anyway - getting told off - gotta run |
| 17:29.00 | shai | so what's the diff between /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin ? |
| 17:30.15 | shai | ping murb |
| 17:32.53 | murb | shai: i'm back but i must go out again for some minutes |
| 17:33.36 | wethrin | sbin contains priviledged (i.e. sysadmin-only) binaries |
| 17:37.12 | morsing | murb: Video! |
| 17:42.20 | shai | murb, ok ... |
| 17:42.30 | shai | murb, anything quick you can give me? |
| 17:42.55 | shai | or ... when will you bb ? |
| 18:10.41 | morsing | beer |
| 18:11.02 | shai | wish i had one .... |
| 18:11.10 | shai | didn't have a cold one for weeks... |
| 18:11.43 | morsing | emil:/etc/postfix/sasl# saslpasswd -c -u emil.morsing.cc -a smtpauth morsing |
| 18:11.43 | morsing | Password: |
| 18:11.43 | morsing | Again (for verification): |
| 18:11.43 | morsing | Segmentation fault |
| 18:11.46 | morsing | Hmm...!!! |
| 18:14.14 | morsing | Which .deb does saslpasswd2 come from? |
| 18:16.31 | morsing | Are the Debian servers down? |
| 18:33.40 | morsing | Anyone know saslauth? |
| 18:40.06 | *** join/#gllug Cope|Home (n=sanelson@cpc2-ando2-0-0-cust867.sot3.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:40.43 | morsing | May 6 19:40:28 emil postfix/smtpd[29281]: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/relay_domains.db: Invalid argument |
| 18:40.56 | morsing | Cope|Home: Do you know saslauth? |
| 18:43.27 | Cope|Home | for smtp authentication? |
| 18:45.10 | morsing | Yes |
| 18:45.25 | morsing | It says cannot open saslpass: Invalid argument |
| 18:45.40 | Cope|Home | does that come from postfix or saslauthd? |
| 18:46.15 | morsing | postfix |
| 18:46.38 | morsing | What should pwcheck_method be in sasl/smtpd.conf if I want to use a plain hash db? |
| 18:47.22 | Cope|Home | shadow? |
| 18:47.49 | morsing | I think passwd actually |
| 18:47.53 | Cope|Home | ok |
| 18:47.55 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.08 | Cope|Home | have you got an /etc/postfix/saslpass file? |
| 18:48.49 | morsing | Yes |
| 18:48.54 | morsing | What's the format? |
| 18:49.04 | Cope|Home | i don't know |
| 18:49.21 | Cope|Home | i don't use postfix |
| 18:50.27 | morsing | /etc/passwd is supported innately in the library. Simply set the configuration option "pwcheck_method" to "passwd". |
| 18:50.37 | morsing | From here: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/cyrus/sysadmin.html |
| 18:50.53 | morsing | Hmm... Annoying |
| 18:52.36 | Cope|Home | what are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:52.46 | Cope|Home | give me the one sentence problem statement :) |
| 18:53.32 | morsing | I'm trying to setup password authenticatd relaying |
| 18:54.00 | morsing | How does the passwd chack of sasl tie in with the password check of postfix? |
| 18:54.17 | morsing | I point postfix to a passwd DB and SASL to a passwd file |
| 18:55.55 | Cope|Home | i've done it with certs before |
| 18:59.24 | morsing | Oooppps... |
| 18:59.52 | morsing | Sorry - I thought I was alone |
| 19:02.00 | wethrin | Tarragon! |
| 19:02.03 | wethrin | LTNS |
| 19:02.24 | Tarragon | Hoi wethrin Hows life? |
| 19:02.55 | Cope|Home | dinner |
| 19:03.06 | wethrin | It's not bad. Just got a new camera, and pondering food :) |
| 19:05.18 | wethrin | How about with you? |
| 19:07.33 | Tarragon | OK. Just watching the Doctor Who confidential stuff |
| 19:07.35 | boudiccas | Here I am! What are your other two wishes? |
| 19:13.41 | wethrin | Tarragon: Likewise |
| 19:23.17 | wethrin | ~change 1400 USD to GBP |
| 19:32.32 | shai | ~change 1000 NIS to USD |
| 19:32.45 | shai | bah! |
| 19:33.03 | shai | it does not know New Israeli Shekels |
| 19:33.28 | Leeds | shai: ils |
| 19:33.28 | shai | ~bad |
| 19:33.30 | ibot | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 19:33.48 | Leeds | ibot change 15 ils to gbp |
| 19:34.00 | shai | ~change 1 usd to ils |
| 19:34.13 | Leeds | it's two-letter country code followed by one letter of currency |
| 19:34.17 | shai | wow .. shekel is down! |
| 19:34.23 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to hkd |
| 19:35.18 | Leeds | that makes everything cheap if you think in GBP - but makes no difference if you get paid in HKD |
| 19:36.53 | morsing | warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling |
| 19:40.23 | shai | weeee .. rlbackup conf file accepts per file includes :) so i can bacup even my /etc/hosts and /etc/sysconfig/network bla bla settings... |
| 19:45.31 | Tarragon | nn Leeds |
| 20:07.13 | Cope|Home | ibot change 40000 cny to gbp |
| 20:12.50 | zx80user | ibot are you a merchant banker? |
| 20:32.21 | zx80user | ~merchant banker |
| 20:32.54 | zx80user | ~bad |
| 20:32.56 | ibot | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 20:35.59 | Cope|Home | ~good |
| 20:36.00 | ibot | methinks good is an adjective |
| 20:40.53 | morsing | ~well |
| 20:40.54 | ibot | That's a deep subject, morsing. |
| 20:50.32 | *** join/#gllug shai (n=Shai@l192-117-111-15.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 20:52.20 | morsing | wethrin: Thank. Had noticed :) |
| 20:52.30 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:52.40 | wethrin | w00t! |
| 20:52.46 | wethrin | *drinks |
| 20:53.09 | wethrin | I like beer |
| 20:53.34 | Cope|Home | mmm |
| 20:53.36 | Cope|Home | beer |
| 21:02.53 | mozrat | morsing: I only read one email on your thread on the mailinglist |
| 21:03.16 | mozrat | you know that Postfix runs chrooted in /var/somewhere/postfix |
| 21:03.20 | mozrat | and the sasl file is in there |
| 21:04.34 | morsing | mozrat: Yes but why does main.cf have a reference to some random passwd.db? |
| 21:04.53 | mozrat | what is the reference? |
| 21:05.35 | morsing | smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/saslpass |
| 21:05.50 | mozrat | I think the /etc/ it is referencing is a chrooted one in var somewhere |
| 21:05.59 | mozrat | run `find /var -type d etc` |
| 21:06.03 | mozrat | umm |
| 21:06.04 | mozrat | no |
| 21:06.12 | mozrat | `find /var/ -type d -name etc |
| 21:08.44 | morsing | mozrat: I can't see why it would be. All the other DBs are in /etc/postfix/ |
| 21:09.21 | mozrat | I know - I lost a nights sleep over it about a year ago |
| 21:09.27 | mozrat | check it! |
| 21:11.50 | morsing | mozrat: The odd thing is that I got it to stop moaning about the Invalid value bu replacing postfix-tls with postfix |
| 21:12.16 | morsing | However, EHLO doesn't return 250-AUTH |
| 21:12.39 | mozrat | I dunno about that so much |
| 21:14.58 | mozrat | morsing: do you have that dir in /var ? |
| 21:15.48 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.02 | mozrat | ibot kick morsing |
| 21:19.04 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 21:21.47 | morsing | mozrat: Yes |
| 21:22.40 | mozrat | I think your SASL passwd db needs to go in there |
| 21:23.11 | morsing | I've put it there now |
| 21:23.21 | morsing | Do I need postfix-tls to do this? |
| 21:23.43 | morsing | Postfix doesn't seem to know what authentication is |
| 21:23.47 | mozrat | well - define "need" |
| 21:24.03 | mozrat | you don't need TLS but the password will be sent in a decryptable format if not |
| 21:24.19 | mozrat | Don't tell anyone but I'm not running TLS on mine |
| 21:24.35 | morsing | mozrat: It doesn't work. The basic Postfix doesn't have a clue what login and passwords are! |
| 21:24.40 | mozrat | and you are right, Postfix hands off the authentication to SASL which is why it is a pain in the ass! |
| 21:24.51 | mozrat | morsing: are you trying to use /etc/passwd users? |
| 21:25.05 | morsing | mozrat: I'm not trying anything |
| 21:25.17 | morsing | 250-ETRN |
| 21:25.17 | morsing | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES |
| 21:25.17 | morsing | 250-8BITMIME |
| 21:25.17 | morsing | 250 DSN |
| 21:25.17 | morsing | AUTH PLAIN dGVzdAB0ZXN0AHRlc3RwYXNz |
| 21:25.20 | morsing | 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized |
| 21:25.23 | morsing | It's clueless! |
| 21:25.33 | mozrat | oh |
| 21:25.52 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.00 | morsing | I think the Postfix .deb is compiled without smtp-auth |
| 21:26.06 | stephen | morsing: is this Debian? you need postfix-tls for SASL |
| 21:26.10 | morsing | mozrat: Done, and it doesn't complain |
| 21:26.36 | morsing | stephen: Ahh... That's what I thought but with postfix-tls it can't read hash databses |
| 21:26.38 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.47 | mozrat | stephen appears to be correct |
| 21:26.57 | morsing | If I install that everything else breaks! |
| 21:27.59 | stephen | I was using postfix-tls with LDAP and SASL, and that seemed to work fine |
| 21:28.14 | morsing | Yup... Broken |
| 21:28.38 | mozrat | morsing: have you tried turning on verbose logging in master.cf ? |
| 21:28.39 | morsing | stephen: *And* you used files like alieses, relay_domains, etc. |
| 21:29.35 | morsing | mozrat: Be more specific please? |
| 21:30.06 | mozrat | in master.cf you can change the line for smtpd and add the -v switch |
| 21:30.11 | mozrat | this turns on verbose loggiing |
| 21:30.13 | mozrat | one sec |
| 21:30.33 | mozrat | smtp inet n - - - - smtpd -v |
| 21:30.35 | stephen | I had a problem with getting postfix to talk to saslauthd, had to move /var/run/saslauthd to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd and create a symlink iirc |
| 21:30.36 | mozrat | in master.cf |
| 21:30.45 | stephen | plus postfix had to be added to the 'sasl' group |
| 21:31.02 | morsing | The DB error is back though: |
| 21:31.03 | morsing | May 6 22:30:26 emil postfix/smtpd[19447]: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/relay_domains.db: Invalid argument |
| 21:31.32 | mozrat | which line in main.cf references that file? |
| 21:32.50 | morsing | mozrat: This one but you have to understand that it does that for *all* .db files: |
| 21:32.53 | morsing | relay_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/relay_domains |
| 21:33.13 | mozrat | hmmm |
| 21:33.27 | morsing | I also constantly get these two errors: |
| 21:33.28 | morsing | May 6 22:32:29 emil postfix/master[19441]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtp pid 19478 exit status 1 |
| 21:33.31 | morsing | May 6 22:32:29 emil postfix/master[19441]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling |
| 21:34.28 | morsing | If you telnet to port 25 it just hangs... |
| 21:34.51 | mozrat | that last one is the big problem |
| 21:35.02 | mozrat | throttling == just won't work |
| 21:36.36 | mozrat | turn on verbose logging and see if it tells you which parameter is bad |
| 21:37.18 | morsing | THe last error before that is the relay_domains one |
| 21:37.34 | morsing | Doesn't postfix-tls have hash DB support? |
| 21:38.08 | mozrat | must do |
| 21:38.55 | morsing | *sigh* I don't know what to do... |
| 21:39.16 | mozrat | which version of postfix-tls are you using? |
| 21:39.53 | morsing | 2.1.5-9 |
| 21:39.59 | mozrat | same with me |
| 21:40.34 | morsing | Ahh... In mail.info: |
| 21:40.35 | morsing | May 6 22:39:51 emil postfix/smtpd[20322]: dict_open: calling hash open routine |
| 21:40.44 | morsing | That's it then... |
| 21:40.49 | morsing | But why? |
| 21:40.53 | mozrat | what is it? |
| 21:41.04 | morsing | Just before the error |
| 21:41.13 | morsing | It really can't read hash DBs |
| 21:41.20 | morsing | But why not?! |
| 21:42.16 | boudiccas | mozrat; are you an emacs user? Have I asked you this question before? I think you said that you were a vim user, am I right? |
| 21:43.07 | mozrat | boudiccas: I'll answer you with a URL http://beerandspeech.org/uploads/200602/viman.gif |
| 21:43.41 | boudiccas | ah, that! saw it last time, and then i asked you about your blog software :o) I remember now :) |
| 21:43.47 | mozrat | :D |
| 21:44.12 | mozrat | boudiccas: should I be using emacs? I've never really tried it |
| 21:45.09 | boudiccas | its very good, with planner and muse, and gnus for email [not that Iuse gnus] and irssi for irc |
| 21:45.37 | mozrat | morsing: have you tried "postalias -q" on these files? Are you sure it doesn't support hash?? |
| 21:46.02 | boudiccas | I use it mostly for running a shell monitoring various background processes, and for running a text-based planner |
| 21:46.07 | mozrat | I've heard Emacs is a very capable application but it lacks a decent text editor? Is that a fair comment? :P |
| 21:46.46 | mozrat | morsing: permission to come aboard? You still have my SSH key IIRC |
| 21:47.02 | boudiccas | mozrat; should i be getting graphs appearing in cacti now? all i seem to be getting is blue oblongs |
| 21:47.32 | mozrat | the graphs are block colours not line graphs |
| 21:47.37 | boudiccas | mozrat; i use it with auctex for doing latex documents, and its very good |
| 21:47.37 | mozrat | It sounds like it is working |
| 21:47.46 | mozrat | try running `yes` for 30 minutes :) |
| 21:48.05 | morsing | mozrat: Yup - come on |
| 21:48.07 | boudiccas | mozrat; ah, ty for that snippet. panic stations over then |
| 21:48.08 | mozrat | you should get a spike in the graph |
| 21:49.38 | mozrat | ahhh - my main.cf doesn't have any comments as I took them out ages ago... |
| 21:49.39 | mozrat | # |
| 21:49.40 | mozrat | # The queue_directory specifies the location of the Postfix queue. |
| 21:49.40 | mozrat | # This is also the root directory of Postfix daemons that run chrooted. |
| 21:49.42 | boudiccas | all mine seem to be maxed out in my cacti :) |
| 21:49.43 | mozrat | # See the files in examples/chroot-setup for setting up Postfix chroot |
| 21:49.46 | mozrat | # environments on different UNIX systems. |
| 21:49.48 | mozrat | # |
| 21:49.50 | mozrat | queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix |
| 21:51.30 | mozrat | morsing: can you run the `newaliases` command pls |
| 21:51.40 | morsing | mozrat: Are you saying that Postfix isn't chrooted but Postfix-tls is? |
| 21:51.40 | mozrat | I don't remember my password and can't sudo myself |
| 21:51.47 | morsing | Doen |
| 21:51.49 | morsing | Done |
| 21:52.24 | mozrat | I dunno - whether it is chrooted or not is specified in master.cf - We'd have to compare both versions |
| 21:52.40 | mozrat | I think only certain processes within postfix are chrooted in either version |
| 21:53.58 | mozrat | morsing: I'm looking at the output of `/usr/sbin/postalias -vvv -q bin hash:/etc/postfix/aliases |
| 21:56.22 | mozrat | mozrat@emil:/etc/postfix$ /usr/sbin/postalias -q abuse hash:/etc/aliases |
| 21:56.22 | mozrat | root |
| 21:56.28 | mozrat | ok - so hash does work |
| 21:56.46 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.48 | morsing | mozrat: Can't you just set your password? I've put you in sudoers |
| 21:56.54 | morsing | mozrat: I know |
| 21:57.08 | mozrat | morsing: set my password to morsing and I'll change it to someting else straight away |
| 21:57.26 | morsing | Done |
| 21:57.48 | mozrat | cool |
| 22:00.21 | mozrat | root@emil:/etc/postfix# postalias -q larted.com hash:/etc/postfix/relay_domains |
| 22:00.21 | mozrat | OK |
| 22:00.28 | mozrat | hash works OK, I think |
| 22:00.38 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin) |
| 22:02.23 | morsing | mozrat: So why does it say invalid argument on all hash DBs? |
| 22:04.53 | morsing | mozrat: Run grep match_string /var/log/mail.info |
| 22:06.49 | mozrat | one sec |
| 22:25.37 | mozrat | morsing: did you run sendmail on this box originally? |
| 22:26.27 | *** join/#gllug alp (n=alp@82-41-25-6.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:26.32 | morsing | mozrat: No |
| 22:27.21 | mozrat | this is an intel box? |
| 22:27.28 | alp | evening, was it someone here who was asking how to get the mmc reader working on the TX1XP vaio laptop? |
| 22:27.55 | mozrat | alp: not in the past few hours.. |
| 22:28.59 | alp | fair enough |
| 22:29.54 | morsing | mozrat: Yes |
| 22:31.59 | mozrat | morsing: none of your MD5 sums match mine and we have the same package installed |
| 22:32.42 | z00dax | mozuse rpm on a managed system :) |
| 22:32.56 | mozrat | z00dax: It's debian :) |
| 22:33.31 | morsing | mozrat: Cool. Postfix has always been broken on this system which is why I considered reinstall the box completely |
| 22:33.46 | mozrat | morsing: sorry - I don't know why it isn't working |
| 22:34.57 | morsing | Ok, reinstall it is... |
| 22:35.52 | mozrat | I've changed relay_domains in main.cf - thats all |
| 22:37.48 | morsing | mozrat: Thanks for trying |
| 22:37.53 | mozrat | no worries |
| 22:38.15 | z00dax | you are going to reinstall the box to fix a package ? |
| 22:38.22 | z00dax | sounds extremely harsh |
| 22:38.43 | z00dax | does dpkg not have something like rpm -Vv ? |
| 22:38.51 | morsing | z00dax: I have been fighting with this package for a year, spending countless hours |
| 22:39.18 | morsing | I even spent three full days at X-mas because it broke, driving me and my family mad |
| 22:39.34 | morsing | It's got to go I'm afraid |
| 22:39.42 | z00dax | go for it :) |
| 22:40.08 | mozrat | postfix ruined Christmas |
| 22:43.00 | morsing | z00dax: So you think I can succesfully reinstall it form home :) |
| 22:43.08 | morsing | s/form/from/ |
| 22:43.45 | z00dax | morsing: i dont know much about the debian installer so cant say, but if you console over ip, you should be ok :) |
| 22:44.45 | shai | z00dax, http://centos.karan.org is yours you say? |
| 22:45.08 | z00dax | shai: yes. |
| 22:45.20 | z00dax | shai: and i gladly accept patches :) |
| 22:46.21 | shai | sweet :) |
| 22:46.31 | shai | about that it is yours... not about the patches ... |
| 22:47.53 | z00dax | shai: its a lot of work, but its well worth it if its of some use to people. |
| 22:48.21 | z00dax | and if things break, please do tell me about them... |
| 22:49.30 | morsing | z00dax: It's not. It's a serial console which is even better |
| 22:50.52 | alp | well, if the vaio question comes up, http://www.ndesk.org/tx1xp/ <- that's my fix. will probably work for other TI readers as well |
| 22:51.13 | alp | got exams so i'm hoping that information will make its way to the right people somehow :-o |
| 22:51.21 | z00dax | alp: is it a TI reader in the Acer Ferrari's ? |
| 22:51.42 | alp | very similiar to that, just slightly different pci numbers |
| 22:51.54 | z00dax | [root@zen ~]# lspci | grep Tex |
| 22:51.54 | z00dax | 06:09.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller |
| 22:51.54 | z00dax | 06:09.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller |
| 22:51.57 | z00dax | 06:09.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller |
| 22:52.04 | morsing | Where's George :( |
| 22:52.24 | alp | z00dax: do you have to use the hack as well? |
| 22:52.48 | z00dax | i've never needed to use that reader... i suppose it might be worthwhile trying to make it work |
| 22:53.08 | z00dax | but i have no media for it :( it does not do CF or MicroDrive, which is all I have |
| 22:53.24 | shai | z00dax, nice work mate |
| 22:53.33 | z00dax | shai: thanks |
| 22:53.38 | alp | i keep a mmc pcmcia bridge in my card slot, problem solved |
| 22:53.51 | alp | the mmc/sd slot is useful for mates cameras really, that's all |
| 22:53.54 | shai | echo $time |
| 22:53.57 | shai | 01:54am |
| 22:54.04 | alp | and the nokia 770 flash card, zaurus sd etc. |
| 22:54.20 | shai | g'night guys :) |
| 22:54.21 | z00dax | humm nokia 770, get me one of those for my birthday |
| 22:54.26 | z00dax | shai: nite |
| 22:54.39 | shai | z00dax, http://mytwocents.info/wiki/favorites ; seek your nick :) |
| 22:54.59 | alp | got mine for pennies, nokia developer scheme |
| 22:55.48 | alp | the biggest problem with it is the firmware it ships with, packages are installed as a user, not as root, so you can't do interesting stuff without getting users to reflash |
| 22:57.44 | mozrat | nn |
| 23:02.48 | morsing | Yikes! Bed time then! |
