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`01:45.58`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`04:11.08`	`*** join/#gllug rhowe_ (i=rhowe@87.127.14.179)`
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`05:44.30`	`Leeds`	`too... many... carrots...`
`05:56.07`	`Cope`	`ok`
`05:56.16`	`Cope`	`not a common complaint`
`05:57.55`	`Leeds`	`I just ate a 340g bag of them`
`05:58.05`	`Cope`	`penance?`
`05:58.09`	`Leeds`	`lunch :-)`
`05:58.13`	`Leeds`	`along with a tuna sarnie`
`05:58.30`	`Leeds`	`they are nice, but oh! the remorse!`
`05:59.03`	`*** join/#gllug SlayerXP (n=Tram@ti521110a080-6171.bb.online.no)`
`05:59.14`	`Cope`	`good morning SlayerXP`
`05:59.35`	`SlayerXP`	`fo sup m'nizzle?`
`06:03.23`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: hello!`
`06:08.31`	`Leeds`	`I just saw a TV ad for a yo-yo...`
`06:08.36`	`Leeds`	`on google video`
`06:09.05`	`murb`	`much less strange then.`
`06:09.30`	`Leeds`	`well, it was in a break in the world juggling federation advanced ball competition, which was apaprently shown on ESPN`
`06:54.35`	`morsing`	`Help`
`06:55.02`	`mozrat`	`morning`
`06:55.06`	`SlayerXP`	`morsing: you need somebody?`
`06:55.10`	`SlayerXP`	`and not just anyone?`
`06:55.19`	`mozrat`	`morsing - how can i be of assistance?`
`06:55.45`	`morsing`	`Came to work and my IMAP/Squirrelmail is screwed`
`06:55.49`	`morsing`	`Worked last night :(`
`06:56.13`	`mozrat`	`try not going to work`
`06:56.50`	`morsing`	`If I click on my main INBOX I get the page up fine but if I switch to any other pages I just get a list of "no subject"`
`06:57.08`	`morsing`	`Gllug shows 6 new messages but I just get an empty list`
`06:57.18`	`morsing`	`Some folders do work though`
`06:57.35`	`mozrat`	`morsing - i saw something similar when PHP was exceeding its memory limit`
`06:57.41`	`morsing`	`Some folders just make the main window blank`
`07:01.12`	`morsing`	`It does appear that the problem is with folders with more than 2000 or so messages in it`
`07:01.19`	`morsing`	`Why has this changed?`
`07:01.36`	`morsing`	`mozrat: :(`
`07:02.07`	`mozrat`	`Dunno - is PHP not freeing up memory? try raising the amount of mem it can use in php.ini`
`07:02.29`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Something has changed`
`07:02.32`	`morsing`	`Or broken`
`07:02.42`	`morsing`	`Raising the memory wont help`
`07:03.52`	`mozrat`	`but it will confirm the problem`
`07:05.07`	`morsing`	`I doubled it now and nothing`
`07:06.37`	`mozrat`	`did you restart apache?`
`07:08.08`	`morsing`	`Thanks`
`07:08.41`	`Leeds`	`heh, php`
`07:09.47`	`morsing`	`Anyone use zlib in php.ini?`
`07:09.56`	`mozrat`	`morsing, i agree it shouldnt happen but i dont know how much memory it takes to cache 2000 mail headers`
`07:10.33`	`morsing`	`mozrat: I've got folders with more than 9000 messages and it worked fine yesterday`
`07:10.59`	`mozrat`	`morsing, strange then!`
`07:11.06`	`mozrat`	`Hi Leeds`
`07:11.10`	`morsing`	`Leeds!`
`07:11.15`	`Leeds`	`afternoon folks :-)`
`07:11.42`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, your bluetooth - youre doing that on Linux? or Mac?`
`07:12.03`	`Cope`	`---> work`
`07:12.07`	`Cope`	`back this evening`
`07:12.21`	`mozrat`	`bye cope`
`07:12.33`	`Leeds`	`have fun`
`07:12.37`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: Linux, of course`
`07:13.12`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, oh! i tried and gave up on that a while ago`
`07:13.33`	`mozrat`	`was there much black magic hackery involved?`
`07:14.21`	`Leeds`	`very little! the main hackery is that it's done through a userspace helper, so you need something which can stream whatever audio you want to play to the helper, in a particular format`
`07:14.55`	`mozrat`	`right`
`07:15.12`	`*** join/#gllug shaibn (n=shaibn@pptp-il.jungo.com)`
`07:15.22`	`Leeds`	`other than that, once I got the headset to pair with the laptop, it just worked`
`07:15.26`	`shaibn`	`morning ...`
`07:15.50`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, thanks, ill try it out again sometime`
`07:15.58`	`mozrat`	`good morning shai(bn)`
`07:16.02`	`shaibn`	`:)`
`07:16.03`	`Leeds`	`hey shaibn`
`07:16.16`	`morsing`	`shaibn!`
`07:16.25`	`shaibn`	`hi morsing !`
`07:16.37`	`mozrat`	`shai, which part of israel do you live in?`
`07:16.56`	`mozrat`	`Mmmm, coffee`
`07:17.18`	`mozrat`	`im being bounced on the district line currently`
`07:17.23`	`shaibn`	`indeed... i need coffee`
`07:17.24`	`mozrat`	`might spill it`
`07:17.28`	`shaibn`	`just go in the office`
`07:17.37`	`morsing`	`shaibn: There's a guy named shai from Israel on another forum I'm on. Are you him? :)`
`07:18.22`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Carrots`
`07:18.47`	`mozrat`	`back to work slacker :-)`
`07:19.05`	`shaibn`	`morsing, i would i know?`
`07:19.08`	`shaibn`	`morsing, what forum?`
`07:19.53`	`Leeds`	`yeah, yeah`
`07:20.26`	`morsing`	`bash-2.03$ uptime`
`07:20.27`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:20.28`	`morsing`	`Woo`
`07:23.55`	`mozrat`	`Bromley-by-Bow!!!`
`07:24.05`	`mozrat`	`Tunnels!! bbl`
`07:24.30`	`Leeds`	`hmm... Ricky Wilson, lead singer of the Kaiser Chiefs, describes himself as "In a band. Live near old school. 1girlfriend." on friendsreunited :-)`
`07:30.01`	`Leeds`	`apparently he was 2 years below me`
`07:32.14`	`murb`	`only 1 girlfriend?#`
`07:33.44`	`morsing`	`mozrat?`
`07:33.55`	`morsing`	`Leeds?`
`07:34.06`	`morsing`	`Hello?`
`07:37.02`	`Leeds`	`what?`
`07:38.53`	`morsing`	`The "previous\|next" at the top are no longer links. I can't click them?`
`07:39.50`	`Leeds`	`hmm... strange`
`07:39.54`	`morsing`	`:(`
`07:39.54`	`Leeds`	`at the top of what?`
`07:40.01`	`morsing`	`The email I open`
`07:40.18`	`Leeds`	`you mean in squirrelmail?`
`07:40.23`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`07:40.30`	`Leeds`	`damned php thing`
`07:40.59`	`Leeds`	`German/Russian bloke who started here a couple of months ago has just left... for good`
`07:42.11`	`morsing`	`Good`
`07:42.22`	`morsing`	`German/Russian blokes are no good anyway`
`07:42.28`	`Leeds`	`my firefox has been acting really strange here for a few days - need to upgrade and maybe dump my profile - some pages, it just point-blank refuses to render`
`07:42.49`	`shaibn`	`if a process wont' get killed with kill -9 pid .. what else can i do other then reboot?`
`07:42.52`	`Leeds`	`nah, he's a nice bloke, and uses Ubuntu... the issue is that it was pretty unexpected`
`07:42.57`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: is it in D state?`
`07:43.16`	`shaibn`	`RN`
`07:43.52`	`shaibn`	`nice value 19`
`07:43.57`	`Leeds`	`things shouldn't be unkillable in RN... what is it?`
`07:44.03`	`shaibn`	`tar`
`07:44.09`	`Leeds`	`on what?`
`07:44.13`	`shaibn`	`nightly backup`
`07:44.17`	`shaibn`	`to tape`
`07:44.47`	`Leeds`	`strange`
`07:46.21`	`shaibn`	`i do have a fileslog .. which shows what it had done till now...`
`07:46.35`	`shaibn`	`and it is stuck on an .mdb file ... so it seems.`
`07:47.15`	`Leeds`	`is it reading anything from the network?`
`07:47.36`	`shaibn`	`i don't know how to check.`
`07:47.55`	`shaibn`	`the tape though, isn't processing anything .. (looking that led)`
`07:49.07`	`Leeds`	`you are killing as root, I assume?`
`07:49.30`	`shaibn`	`of course.`
`07:49.49`	`shaibn`	`tried kill pid ; didn't work .. so i tried kill -9 pid ; still no go ...`
`07:50.27`	`Leeds`	`try "strace -p pid" and see if it's doing anything - but be careful, because that strace could get stuck too`
`07:51.04`	`shaibn`	`oops :(`
`07:51.10`	`shaibn`	`that got stuck too`
`07:51.16`	`Leeds`	`I did warn you`
`07:52.02`	`shaibn`	`but kill -9 killed it....`
`07:59.30`	`shaibn`	`Leeds, any other thoughts?`
`08:02.26`	`Leeds`	`blaaaaaaaaah`
`08:03.25`	`Leeds`	`it's really really not in D state?`
`08:04.03`	`morsing`	`~seen George`
`08:04.15`	`ibot`	`george is currently on #zaurus (3h 22m 31s) #openzaurus (3h 22m 31s) #opie (3h 22m 31s) #handhelds.org (3h 22m 31s) #elinux (3h 22m 31s) #intimate (3h 22m 31s), last said: 'arika-chan: I don't like you anymore'.`
`08:04.50`	`Leeds`	`morsing: either he's had enough of being the butt of everyone's jokes, including an unprovoked attack on the mailing list, and he's not coming back, or he'll calm down and reappear`
`08:05.36`	`morsing`	`I miss hiim :(`
`08:05.51`	`Leeds`	`I think SlayerXP owes him an apology`
`08:06.10`	`morsing`	`Mmm...`
`08:06.12`	`SlayerXP`	`you do?`
`08:06.27`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: So do I. And you owe me an apology as well.`
`08:06.37`	`SlayerXP`	`I do?`
`08:06.37`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`08:06.57`	`SlayerXP`	`just remind me why so...`
`08:13.06`	`SlayerXP`	`i promised i'd look into supporting multiple mail routes today`
`08:13.15`	`SlayerXP`	`it's just taken me a whole 3 minutes to implement.`
`08:14.36`	`SlayerXP`	`at least half of the time was spent thinking "it can't be that simple, can it?"`
`08:15.40`	`Leeds`	`it falls into that nice group of things I consider 'sane' - i.e. they follow the principle of least suprise and the author tends to think like me - or obviously enough better than I do that I am happy to change to think like them :-)`
`08:16.30`	`SlayerXP`	`the inbuilt conditional/expansion language syntax is a bit whacky`
`08:16.38`	`Leeds`	`it is`
`08:16.43`	`Leeds`	`but not insanely so`
`08:17.10`	`SlayerXP`	`no,you can get your head round it after a little while`
`08:17.40`	`shaibn`	`Leeds, it really really isn't ...`
`08:17.42`	`shaibn`	`root 16530 84.3 0.0 3228 1916 ? RN 00:00 570:41 tar -c -vv -l -b 2048 -R ..................`
`08:17.55`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: is it blocking on something which is?`
`08:18.37`	`SlayerXP`	`why's there an N there?`
`08:18.53`	`Leeds`	`it's nice`
`08:19.03`	`SlayerXP`	`yes, that's what I meant.`
`08:19.29`	`Leeds`	`well... it's there because it's nice...`
`08:19.33`	`Leeds`	`are you asking why it's nice?`
`08:19.36`	`SlayerXP`	`indeed.`
`08:19.47`	`Leeds`	`that, I have no idea on`
`08:20.32`	`shaibn`	`lower proiority?`
`08:20.43`	`SlayerXP`	`shaibn: lowest priority, iirc.`
`08:20.49`	`shaibn`	`Leeds, i didn't understand your question ...`
`08:21.03`	`SlayerXP`	`which means every little thing that wants the cpu for anything whatsoever will be bumped ahead of it`
`08:21.12`	`Leeds`	`is the machine heavily loaded?`
`08:21.23`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: everything except the idle loop, right?`
`08:21.25`	`shaibn`	`Leeds, indeed, during the day.`
`08:21.31`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: yep`
`08:21.37`	`Leeds`	`is it heavily loaded now?`
`08:21.39`	`SlayerXP`	`or other equal priority tasks`
`08:22.23`	`shaibn`	`but ... look at how much CPU it is using... even though it is in nice`
`08:22.30`	`shaibn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:22.30`	`shaibn`	`16530 root 19 19 1916 1916 768 R N 89.2 0.0 571:27 tar`
`08:22.57`	`shaibn`	`it usaly finishes in like two hours ... or less.`
`08:23.19`	`Leeds`	`and strace didn't connect?`
`08:23.28`	`shaibn`	`right`
`08:23.31`	`shaibn`	`got stuck`
`08:24.11`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: even at nice -19, how can a process which is in R state ignore a kill -9 from root?`
`08:24.20`	`SlayerXP`	`it does?`
`08:24.24`	`SlayerXP`	`didn't see that bit`
`08:24.26`	`Leeds`	`apparently`
`08:24.51`	`morsing`	`Maybe SlayerXP can kill it with his magic?`
`08:25.08`	`SlayerXP`	`well, the "reboot" command will certainly get rid of it`
`08:25.26`	`SlayerXP`	`morsing: for what do I owe you an apology?`
`08:25.34`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: For being a moroon`
`08:25.39`	`morsing`	`s/moroon/moron/`
`08:25.49`	`SlayerXP`	`I can't apologise for that`
`08:25.54`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Be nice and no-one leaves here in anger`
`08:26.33`	`SlayerXP`	`anyone who takes IRC seriously needs to get out more.`
`08:26.54`	`SlayerXP`	`(I assume you're referring to Master Wright)`
`08:27.33`	`morsing`	`Where can I find the logs for this channel?`
`08:27.51`	`SlayerXP`	`ibot logs`
`08:27.59`	`ibot`	`apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"`
`08:28.27`	`shaibn`	`we are going to reboot the server...`
`08:28.32`	`Leeds`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:29.11`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: as long as you realise that if you don't find out what's causing it, it could come back at any point`
`08:30.54`	`SlayerXP`	`shaibn: that should be your absolute last resort solution with a *nix`
`08:31.50`	`SlayerXP`	`even CentOS :)`
`08:32.29`	`Leeds`	`Weltmeisterschaft`
`08:33.04`	`morsing`	`Right, my Squirrelmail is totally screwed!!!`
`08:33.07`	`morsing`	`FCK`
`08:33.10`	`morsing`	`!`
`08:35.30`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: do me a favour... type something in Hebrew`
`08:36.14`	`antiphase`	`Webmail is for marmite miners`
`08:39.05`	`SlayerXP`	`hmm, interesting question to debian-users: Hi, is there command or simple shell script available to find all`
`08:39.06`	`SlayerXP`	`configuration files in /etc-directory which I've edited.`
`08:39.43`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: surely part of the point of using a complex packaging system is to be able to do stuff like that?`
`08:39.48`	`morsing`	`ls`
`08:39.48`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`08:40.07`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: there should be a way of figuring that out`
`08:40.43`	`wethrin`	`Hm. Is George still pissed off?`
`08:44.41`	`SlayerXP`	`it should be legal, a requirement in fact, to DDoS mail servers that generate bounces for virus infected mail.`
`08:45.38`	`wethrin`	`FFTSARFC`
`08:46.07`	`SlayerXP`	`Foxs Follow The South Aterial Road For Caterham ?`
`08:46.15`	`SlayerXP`	`Arterial`
`08:46.20`	`wethrin`	`Feel Free To Submit An RFC`
`08:46.24`	`SlayerXP`	`oh`
`08:47.21`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: well, he's not here...`
`08:47.24`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. Surely if George abuses people, he should expect some abuse back....`
`08:51.10`	`shaibn`	`Leeds, העולם יפה`
`08:53.11`	`wethrin`	`Roight. Worktime!`
`08:53.51`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: it certainly is :-) thanks - seems I can do Hebrew IRC now...`
`08:54.01`	`shaibn`	`יפה יפה`
`08:54.05`	`shaibn`	`:)`
`08:54.09`	`wethrin`	`You and your funny character sets!`
`08:54.15`	`shaibn`	`lol`
`08:55.38`	`Leeds`	`comes out looking a lot better on this setup than Hebrew does...`
`08:56.05`	`Leeds`	`uh! than Chinese does`
`09:06.25`	`*** join/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk)`
`09:17.24`	`Leeds`	`shaibn: ping, and is the machine rebooted yet?`
`09:33.57`	`Leeds`	`and there's the official vim7 release announcement`
`09:43.12`	`Cope`	`morning all`
`09:45.30`	`Cope`	`How can ps and top be restricted on a per user basis to show only a subset of processes? ie don't show mbrooks process to sanelson?`
`09:45.45`	`Cope`	`(I'm assuming they can!)`
`09:45.51`	`SlayerXP`	`interesting question`
`09:45.55`	`SlayerXP`	`(the second today)`
`09:46.38`	`Leeds`	`they can, but you're into virtual server land, or possibly some of the more advanced features of things like SELinux`
`09:47.11`	`Cope`	`yes, sure with virtual servers (which I don't have) and selinux (which I don't have)`
`09:47.45`	`wethrin`	`alias ps='ps u \| grep $USER'`
`09:48.19`	`cbz`	`\ps`
`09:48.32`	`Cope`	`hmm`
`09:49.21`	`Leeds`	`on a regular system, I don't think it can be done`
`09:50.54`	`Leeds`	`you would have to restrict /proc`
`09:51.29`	`Cope`	`Leeds: hmm`
`09:52.43`	`SlayerXP`	`why do you want to do this?`
`09:53.08`	`murb`	`Cope: you can easily set ulimits in pam.`
`09:53.50`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: previous conversation - 3 users on shared platform mustn't see each other's stuff; xen not an option.`
`09:54.03`	`murb`	`Cope: libpam-modules: /etc/security/limits.conf`
`09:54.17`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: why is them seeing each other's stuff a problem?`
`09:54.23`	`murb`	`Cope: zones? vservers? virtuosso?`
`09:54.44`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: security and business reasons`
`09:54.56`	`murb`	`Cope: is this on linux?`
`09:54.59`	`Cope`	`murb: yep`
`09:55.19`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: the latter I could accept, the former is not applicable.`
`09:55.20`	`murb`	`and are you permitted to patch the kernel?`
`09:55.50`	`Cope`	`good question; yes, probably, but with reduced SLA, as it would probably impact redhat support`
`09:56.31`	`murb`	`Cope: the grsecurity patch probably does what you want.`
`09:56.35`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: so you think a machine with less information about other user's processes is not more secure?`
`09:56.50`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: that's security through obscurity.`
`09:56.57`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: no it isn't`
`09:57.04`	`SlayerXP`	`yes, it is :)`
`09:57.10`	`mozrat`	`morning`
`09:57.11`	`SlayerXP`	`you're securing the system by hiding stuff`
`09:57.16`	`wethrin`	`There's nothing wrong with obscurity as an extra layer of security. As long as it's not the only one`
`09:57.23`	`murb`	`as soon as someone becames root, game over.`
`09:57.27`	`Leeds`	`it depends on if you just hide the processes or actually separate them`
`09:57.28`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: yes, ok`
`09:57.32`	`murb`	`Cope: are you also chrooting users?`
`09:57.35`	`Cope`	`murb: yes`
`09:57.48`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: but that isn't necessarily a bad thing`
`09:57.51`	`murb`	`Cope: look at the vservers patch then.`
`09:58.08`	`murb`	`also the openvz stuff`
`09:58.24`	`murb`	`http://openvz.org/`
`09:58.31`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: i might keep documents in my house in a safe; it would be even more secure if the safe wasn't visible as soon as you walk into the house.`
`09:58.43`	`murb`	`and http://www.virtuozzo.com/ for commerical supported option.`
`09:59.22`	`murb`	`Cope: it might be better for me for it to be plainly visuable if i don't want someone to hold a gun to my head demanding the location of the safe.`
`09:59.56`	`murb`	`(i know someone who had something like that happent to them, unforuntly for the robbers and the owner it was the other house that had the floor safe)`
`09:59.57`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: hardly. you would be more secure if the safe was on the display, and the documentation (also public) showed showed how the lock worked and why it's not worth the perp's time to try to break it. also just how many kilo of TNT are required to crack the shell.`
`10:00.14`	`*** join/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165)`
`10:00.32`	`murb`	`SlayerXP: or how many minutes for an experience safe cracker with all required tools would take to get inside.`
`10:00.42`	`SlayerXP`	`murb: nods`
`10:00.56`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: not sure why that makes it more secure; its a deterrent, but if the safe is sound anyway, we don't care if he has a go.`
`10:01.04`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: different sorts of deterrent`
`10:01.07`	`SlayerXP`	`"this is what it will take to crack my system, I hope it's not worth your effort" is better security.`
`10:01.26`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: no safe is secure, it's a matter of degrees of inconvenience.`
`10:01.34`	`murb`	`SlayerXP: but best that it is also securely anchored, you don't want it removed for an off line attack!`
`10:01.37`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: that 1) first find it 2) then see what is needed, and show it isn't worth the effort is even more inconvenient`
`10:02.15`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: to carry your metaphor, I don't want someone trashing my house to find the one thing I care about.`
`10:02.30`	`SlayerXP`	`"it's over there, have fun"`
`10:02.34`	`Cope`	`hehe`
`10:02.47`	`Cope`	`anyway.... off to meeting; back in a bit.`
`10:04.32`	`SlayerXP`	`taxiservice&`
`10:14.38`	`morsing`	`Moo`
`10:14.44`	`morsing`	`murb: Video`
`10:19.28`	`morsing`	`Leeds>`
`10:19.29`	`morsing`	`>`
`10:19.30`	`morsing`	`?`
`10:19.46`	`murb`	`morsing: the chair lift?`
`10:20.23`	`murb`	`http://www.penguinpeople.org/hay-on-wye-200604/`
`10:21.39`	`Leeds`	`hmm... I need to talk to Shirley or Jackie, but they've gone... I should go too...`
`10:24.46`	`morsing`	`murb: YES`
`10:59.22`	`*** join/#gllug yzenezy (n=tom@217.205.177.135)`
`11:01.41`	`morsing`	`Woo yzenezy`
`11:01.44`	`morsing`	`Yay! :)`
`11:19.05`	`yzenezy`	`sorry, forgot the away sign`
`11:20.08`	`yzenezy`	`it's not raining here but is quite windy`
`11:21.33`	`yzenezy`	`yuhu - anyone home?`
`11:22.25`	`wethrin`	`arr`
`11:23.16`	`yzenezy`	`eergh`
`11:23.18`	`z00dax`	`tis much rain here`
`11:23.31`	`yzenezy`	`taint a drop here`
`11:23.53`	`z00dax`	`where then might here be ?`
`11:24.02`	`yzenezy`	`here be manchester`
`11:24.23`	`yzenezy`	`or altrincham to be more precise`
`11:27.19`	`yzenezy`	`does anyone know if adobe have taken over macromedia?`
`11:34.20`	`cbz`	`Yes`
`11:36.56`	`yzenezy`	`pity that the download link for the flash player is broken`
`11:39.52`	`*** join/#gllug dev__ (n=dev@84-43-28-203.ppp.onetel.net.uk)`
`11:45.04`	`mozrat`	`hi dev__`
`11:47.59`	`eyore`	`still grappling with xchat`
`11:50.06`	`*** join/#gllug keithlard (n=john@host217-34-140-129.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`11:50.11`	`keithlard`	`:D!`
`11:53.47`	`keithlard`	`morning all`
`11:54.06`	`keithlard`	`cheer up i know it is monday`
`12:05.14`	`morsing`	`keithlard!`
`12:05.39`	`keithlard`	`hurray... i've discovered life on #gllug! :D`
`12:08.05`	`SlayerXP`	`it's temporary, don't worry`
`12:25.09`	`rhowe`	`hm, foodtime`
`12:25.28`	`rhowe`	`keithlard: Good afternoon!`
`12:26.23`	`keithlard`	`i want to chat, or eat biscuits!`
`12:28.56`	`mozrat`	`hello keithlard`
`12:29.27`	`keithlard`	`:)`
`12:31.47`	`mozrat`	`anyone familar with KPL (Kids Programming Language)?`
`12:33.21`	`keithlard`	`no, is it a bit like logo`
`12:34.08`	`yzenezy`	`the interface is sometimes a bit random`
`12:34.09`	`murb`	`played with starlog?`
`12:34.11`	`murb`	`o`
`12:34.18`	`mozrat`	`No idea - just reading about it now. It's MS Windows only at the moment but they just released it as open source`
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`12:35.34`	`keithlard`	`smalltalk was meant to be for kids wasn't it`
`12:35.50`	`mozrat`	`I'll keep an eye on that - looks interesting. Great idea`
`12:36.09`	`JAV`	`hello`
`12:36.17`	`mozrat`	`Hi JAV`
`12:36.28`	`yzenezy`	`hi JAV`
`12:43.57`	`mozrat`	`hey - how can I pipe STDERR to another command in bash?`
`12:44.04`	`mozrat`	`I can direct it with 2>`
`12:47.32`	`keithlard`	`hmm`
`12:53.11`	`stephanb2`	`JAV: how did u do with terminatorX ? :-)`
`12:59.08`	`JAV`	`very fun app :D`
`13:01.23`	`JAV`	`it will be even funnier with proper equipment, but I haven't got DJ aptitude ;)`
`13:03.07`	`morsing`	`beer`
`13:05.35`	`morsing`	`Wow - George said something to me without swear words in it :)`
`13:12.37`	`rhowe`	`mm, tasty coffee`
`13:13.21`	`z00dax`	`where is George these days ?`
`13:18.17`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Coffee`
`13:18.25`	`morsing`	`z00dax: He's left us for good :(`
`13:19.16`	`z00dax`	`morsing: oh! why ?`
`13:19.33`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP offended him and won't apologise`
`13:19.45`	`z00dax`	`ouch`
`13:20.54`	`rhowe`	`hm, no more Mozilla`
`13:21.02`	`rhowe`	`Or Firefox 1.0, or Thunderbird 1.0`
`13:21.09`	`rhowe`	`And this is old news...`
`13:21.28`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Why are you avoiding me?`
`13:21.44`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I'm not. Come out with me and pdr tonight`
`13:21.49`	`morsing`	`Where?`
`13:21.54`	`rhowe`	`morsing: SE London?`
`13:21.59`	`morsing`	`Hmm...`
`13:22.03`	`morsing`	`Aylesbury?`
`13:22.13`	`rhowe`	`Wasn't really planning to head north of the river..`
`13:22.18`	`morsing`	`Staines/`
`13:22.19`	`morsing`	`?`
`13:22.23`	`rhowe`	`"Here be dragons", it says on my map`
`13:22.41`	`morsing`	`Where exactly are you oing then?`
`13:22.50`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: I forget how you pipe stderr, but I know it can be done..`
`13:23.10`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: Hm.. I think we should try the various establishments around my flat`
`13:24.34`	`rhowe`	`~google pipe stderr bash`
`13:24.47`	`rhowe`	`s/mozrat/morsing/`
`13:24.48`	`rhowe`	`dammit`
`13:24.53`	`cbz`	`com1 2>&1\| com2`
`13:25.06`	`cbz`	`redirect 1 after that if you only want stderr`
`13:25.14`	`rhowe`	`cbz: According to the bash man page, that isn't supposed to work, but it does for me`
`13:25.32`	`cbz`	`The bash manual page explicitly says it doesn't work?`
`13:25.59`	`rhowe`	`"This connection is performed before any redirections specified by the command (see REDIRECTION below)."`
`13:26.05`	`rhowe`	`hmm.. actually I might be misreading that`
`13:26.08`	`morsing`	`Mozzie: exec 3>&1; grep yyy xxx 2>&1 1>&3 3>&- \| sed s/file/foobar/ 1>&2 3>&-`
`13:26.33`	`morsing`	`cbz: But that's both stdeer and stdin`
`13:26.49`	`rhowe`	`Maybe it connects prior to the redirection in order that the redirections go via the pipe`
`13:27.01`	`morsing`	`mozrat?`
`13:27.09`	`mozrat`	`sorry - away for a sec`
`13:27.14`	`morsing`	`What I did above should work`
`13:29.10`	`cbz`	`com1 2>&1 1>/dev/null\|com2`
`13:43.41`	`cbz`	`rhowe: Yeah, the pipe is created first with stdout connected to it, and then the redirections are carried out.`
`13:51.30`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`13:51.38`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Where?`
`13:53.18`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Hm.. lemme see what the weather thinks it'll do`
`13:53.18`	`cbz`	`check what?`
`13:53.41`	`morsing`	`rhowe: As close to Waterloo as possible please`
`13:55.12`	`rhowe`	`morsing: hmm.. depends on Pete, I guess`
`13:58.21`	`morsing`	`~seen pdr`
`13:58.33`	`ibot`	`pdr is currently on #gllug, last said: 'later'.`
`13:58.39`	`morsing`	`ping pdrt`
`13:58.42`	`morsing`	`ping pdr`
`14:00.21`	`rhowe`	`hm, SGI has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection - http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2006/may/sgi_reorg.html`
`14:01.39`	`Cope`	`rhowe: means nothing; we did that years ago, and are still here, and making stacks of cash.`
`14:02.19`	`rhowe`	`Cope: nod. Still, it's a sign that things are most definitely not as they once were`
`14:02.23`	`Cope`	`rhowe: no more mozilla etc? What does this refer to? Old news? new to me! I should keep better informed too!`
`14:03.55`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Yeah, news from the middle of last month. Firefox 1.0.x, Thunderbird 1.0.x and Mozilla Suite 1.7.x are all end of lifed`
`14:04.20`	`rhowe`	`Cope: It also looks like the mozilla packages in Debian are being replaced by xulrunner`
`14:04.41`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Functionally, not a whole lot of change, but I guess it means the code's a little cleaner or something`
`14:08.29`	`Cope`	`ah right;`
`14:08.38`	`Cope`	`~google xulrunner`
`14:10.45`	`rhowe`	`Cope: xulrunner's something to launch XUL applications (mozilla, firefox, etc)`
`14:11.12`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Probably means that the 'mozilla-bin' binary, the 'firefox-bin' binary, etc all disappear, replaced by a generic 'xulrunner'`
`14:11.44`	`rhowe`	`Cope: With the lovely side effect (I guess) of making these programs difficult to identify in top`
`14:17.14`	`SlayerXP`	`mmm?`
`14:19.05`	`SlayerXP`	`someone kicked, or something.`
`14:23.49`	`boudiccas`	`A day without sunshine is like night.`
`14:23.58`	`morsing`	`boudiccas!`
`14:24.08`	`boudiccas`	`morsing!`
`14:27.42`	`rhowe`	`o.O debfoster is obsolete!`
`14:27.45`	`rhowe`	`and deprecated`
`14:27.54`	`murb`	`typical.`
`14:28.05`	`murb`	`probably replaced with something less usable.`
`14:28.09`	`rhowe`	`murb: aptitude!`
`14:28.18`	`rhowe`	`(I kid ye not)`
`14:28.45`	`rhowe`	`And that's probably saying something..`
`14:29.06`	`morsing`	`dselect sucks`
`14:30.08`	`rhowe`	`dselect is one of the best package managers I've ever used`
`14:35.39`	`*** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@82-71-23-7.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)`
`14:41.16`	`morsing`	`dselect sucks`
`14:41.37`	`SlayerXP`	`dselect is quaint, and fortunately deprecated.`
`14:41.44`	`Cope`	`morsing: dselect is like much of unix - designed for people who read manuals and have a clue - incredibly powerful, not especially friendly.`
`14:42.21`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: hence gentoo and redhat users don't use it.`
`14:42.56`	`Cope`	`I remember my first exposure to dselect... I even remember the approximate date and location :)`
`14:44.14`	`Cope`	`September 2001, Glasgow, setting a bunch of nfs and print servers`
`14:44.26`	`Cope`	`first time i used debian`
`14:47.37`	`Erwin`	`Hmm, SGI files for bankrupcy`
`14:48.57`	`Cope`	`Erwin: chapter 11 protection != bankruptcy`
`14:56.01`	`wethrin`	`But it still doesn't bode well for SGI`
`15:02.07`	`morsing`	`beer`
`15:02.36`	`SlayerXP`	`already got some \o/`
`15:02.39`	`rhowe`	`morsing: How about... hm...`
`15:03.33`	`rhowe`	`morsing: There's a pub on Roupell Street which is quite nice`
`15:03.40`	`rhowe`	`morsing: The Kings Arms`
`15:15.05`	`morsing`	`Roupell street? Never heard of it`
`15:18.17`	`morsing`	`rhowe: When?`
`15:20.04`	`morsing`	`ping who`
`15:20.10`	`morsing`	`ping rhowe`
`15:20.39`	`morsing`	`rhowe: What's your number again? I have a new phone`
`15:20.56`	`morsing`	`ibot wake rhowe`
`15:20.58`	`ibot`	`rhowe: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`15:33.43`	`rhowe`	`morsing: 07738041074`
`15:35.04`	`z00dax`	`btw guys, i got my PAC code from Vodafone yesterday, and the docs with it clearly indicate you can either move networks or service providers...`
`15:37.25`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: hi there. have u ever played with gnu gatekeeper ?`
`15:39.48`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: Briefly.`
`15:39.57`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: Once I realised I had no idea what I was doing, I stopped`
`15:40.17`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: yeah well the stuff i'm interested in is not documented :-(`
`15:40.44`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: Funny, that`
`15:40.56`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: I was under the impression that none of it was documented :)`
`15:41.03`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: if i understand correctly, it can help get H.323 go through NAT`
`15:41.10`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: Yes, it can, I think`
`15:41.22`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: I do know that there's gnugk and openh323gk, and the two are somewhat similar, but somewhat different`
`15:41.42`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: i was looking at gnugk`
`15:41.42`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: IIRC one was very unmaintained, and the other one just unmaintained :)`
`15:42.32`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: btw i found a french version of openphone 1.9.1 for win32 on the net, and it seems very well behaved`
`15:43.03`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: but there is no way i manage to get any video to work with it, even with the "test pictures" :-(`
`15:45.17`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: i am starting to have a pretty grim picture of voip for the adsl natted connection. which unfortunately explains why skype is so popular.`
`15:45.28`	`SlayerXP`	`skype is ace`
`15:47.04`	`morsing`	`What's pgup and down?`
`15:47.23`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I'm just prepping a gllug-social message`
`15:47.36`	`rhowe`	`morsing: It's "Page Up" and "Page Down" on this keyboard :)`
`15:48.01`	`morsing`	`rhowe: I'm at the station`
`15:48.10`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Which station?`
`15:48.27`	`morsing`	`will be there at 5:45`
`15:48.33`	`morsing`	`Staines`
`15:48.49`	`rhowe`	`morsing: OK, I'll be there shortly afterwards`
`15:49.18`	`stephanb2`	`morsing: Ali G's home`
`15:49.42`	`morsing`	`which of the two numbers I have do you use?`
`15:49.50`	`rhowe`	`morsing: 07738041074`
`15:49.59`	`rhowe`	`morsing: That's the "emergency" IT mobile`
`15:50.21`	`morsing`	`ping Leeds`
`15:50.41`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I don't think he can make it`
`15:51.25`	`wethrin`	`what about it?`
`15:51.38`	`morsing`	`how to do it`
`15:51.51`	`wethrin`	`Press the key?`
`15:51.57`	`wethrin`	`Oh....on Treo?`
`15:52.02`	`morsing`	`where is it?`
`15:52.13`	`rhowe`	`morsing: heh`
`15:52.36`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Did we agree that gllug social announcements should be cross posted to the main gllug list, with followups to go to the social list?`
`15:53.30`	`morsing`	`I love George`
`15:53.32`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: I believe it's up to the discretion of the poster`
`15:54.10`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`15:58.47`	`SlayerXP`	`i have alternative location suggestion`
`15:59.08`	`SlayerXP`	`Onkel Oskars, 22 Kongensgate, Steinkjer`
`15:59.28`	`SlayerXP`	`i could be there from about 1930`
`16:00.18`	`wethrin`	`How about somewhere half-way between? Such as Newcastle?`
`16:01.01`	`rhowe`	`hm, we could do a co-ordinated Gllug social, provided there is bandwidth and stuff`
`16:05.57`	`mozrat`	`morsing: I love him too but he is a IDIOT sometimes`
`16:06.33`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: George?`
`16:07.20`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: yes`
`16:07.31`	`wethrin`	`Want to invite him back, then?`
`16:07.51`	`mozrat`	`No, he told me in no uncertain terms to f**k off and stop talking to him`
`16:08.13`	`wethrin`	`That wasn't very nice of him`
`16:08.31`	`mozrat`	`I've had worse`
`16:08.54`	`wethrin`	`Army lad`
`16:10.11`	`morsing`	`wethrin: text my new numer to rhowe`
`16:10.23`	`morsing`	`rhowe: send me a text`
`16:10.49`	`morsing`	`s/numer/number/`
`16:10.51`	`Cope`	`george still appears to be talking to me`
`16:11.03`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: easily fixed.`
`16:11.07`	`Cope`	`;)`
`16:11.20`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: I have two mobile numbers for you - 016, and 702`
`16:11.30`	`SlayerXP`	`dinner&`
`16:11.43`	`morsing`	`can "fuck off" be considered talking?`
`16:11.46`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Both are dead`
`16:11.48`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: oh, and I've discovered the other reason why $client won't go for a virtualised environment.... multiple BEA licenses.`
`16:11.58`	`Cope`	`morsing: no, not really`
`16:12.02`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: You want the one I mentioned before now, as a 'best-effort' number. It's not mine, it's work's.`
`16:12.11`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: I have no personal mobile number at the moment`
`16:12.18`	`wethrin`	`Boh. Should I delete the two numbers, then?`
`16:12.34`	`Cope`	`SlayerXP: and, yes, I see the problem too. :)`
`16:12.37`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I have your new number, I think`
`16:12.54`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Ends in 064?`
`16:13.03`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: May as well`
`16:14.16`	`rhowe`	`For those who don't read their email, there's a social tonight at the King's Arms, Roupell Street. 5mins walk from Waterloo station`
`16:14.46`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: I think you want the one not ending 865`
`16:15.27`	`rhowe`	`pdr says he may turn up around 8:30, if he can make it at all`
`16:15.33`	`SlayerXP`	`Cope: indeed.`
`16:15.38`	`pdr`	`morsing: pong`
`16:15.43`	`wethrin`	`pdr!`
`16:15.48`	`pdr`	`wethrin!`
`16:16.00`	`pdr`	`rhowe: you got my text then`
`16:22.54`	`rhowe`	`pdr: Yup, ta`
`16:23.16`	`rhowe`	`pdr: Either that or I have a keylogger on your 'phone`
`16:24.03`	`pdr`	`i've just got back home, but i'm checking out a scooter in hampstead now, so don't expect to be back for a little while`
`16:24.07`	`pdr`	`rhowe: :-)`
`16:27.35`	`Cope`	`rhowe: what was jatinder like?`
`16:27.50`	`rhowe`	`Cope: We ended up cancelling the meeting`
`16:28.01`	`rhowe`	`Cope: We ran out of time and had to order from elsewhere`
`16:29.17`	`Cope`	`:(`
`16:39.27`	`stephanb2`	`ok im off`
`16:40.43`	`rhowe`	`stephanb2: Coming tonight?`
`16:42.11`	`z00dax`	`rhowe:I might`
`16:42.22`	`rhowe`	`z00dax: Know where we'll be?`
`16:42.39`	`z00dax`	`I'll find you - plus, I've got your mobile number`
`16:42.46`	`rhowe`	`heh, damn :)`
`16:42.55`	`rhowe`	`See you later then, perhaps :)`
`16:43.07`	`z00dax`	`yay!`
`16:45.56`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: no, my gf is doing early shifts at the moment`
`16:46.11`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: reminds me i should subscribe 2 the list :-o`
`16:48.05`	`stephanb2`	`rhowe: another time :-)`
`16:48.16`	`stephanb2`	`bye everybody`
`16:50.12`	`morsing`	`PalmOS just crashed`
`16:50.22`	`*** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk)`
`16:50.28`	`morsing`	`the touch screen had to be reset`
`16:51.07`	`morsing`	`ping rh`
`16:51.14`	`morsing`	`ping rhowe`
`16:53.16`	`*** join/#gllug JAV (n=JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.staticIP.rima-tde.net)`
`17:01.26`	`*** join/#gllug shaibn (n=shaibn@wall-ext.jungo.com)`
`17:01.31`	`shaibn`	`yo!`
`17:10.43`	`morsing`	`Right. If no-one's here by the time I finish this pint, I'm going home!`
`17:10.57`	`SlayerXP`	`i won't be there, if that helps`
`17:11.03`	`SlayerXP`	`and neither will george`
`17:11.42`	`morsing`	`George is coming I've heard!`
`17:11.49`	`wethrin`	`Oh?`
`17:12.01`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`17:12.08`	`SlayerXP`	`morsing: when he sits at the table remind him that it's gllug members only`
`17:12.24`	`morsing`	`Sure`
`17:12.54`	`morsing`	`Mmm... IPA`
`17:12.57`	`wethrin`	`Hash-gllug?`
`17:13.09`	`SlayerXP`	`who's IPA?`
`17:13.18`	`wethrin`	`morsing: if he's there, say hello to him for me. Or say that Cambridge sucks. Either is good.`
`17:13.29`	`wethrin`	`Iso-Propyl-Alcohol?`
`17:14.13`	`morsing`	`ibot George`
`17:14.15`	`ibot`	`methinks george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel`
`17:14.39`	`Erwin`	`Indian Pale Ale?`
`17:15.07`	`morsing`	`Woo rhowe`
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`17:38.28`	`wethrin`	`AC!`
`17:38.34`	`arika-chan`	`wethrin!`
`17:38.39`	`wethrin`	`How do?`
`17:38.49`	`arika-chan`	`I think I've burned myself out a bit doing coursework :s`
`17:38.59`	`arika-chan`	`needs more cups of tea`
`17:39.20`	`arika-chan`	`ah well, it'll be better after project handin at the end of this week =) how be thee?`
`17:40.22`	`wethrin`	`Tea++`
`17:40.32`	`wethrin`	`I'm not bad. I should nip to the kitchen and warm up some food`
`17:42.18`	`morsing`	`arika-chan!`
`17:43.42`	`arika-chan`	`morsing!`
`17:46.39`	`mozrat`	`hi arika-chan - how goes you?`
`17:53.11`	`arika-chan`	`quite tired :)`
`17:53.42`	`arika-chan`	`tomorrow should be fun though!`
`17:53.44`	`mozrat`	`too much work, no play? :)`
`17:53.44`	`arika-chan`	`how're you?`
`17:53.48`	`arika-chan`	`something like that =)`
`17:54.02`	`mozrat`	`im good thanks`
`17:55.50`	`arika-chan`	`good good`
`18:08.03`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; do you use mrtg?`
`18:11.21`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas - mmmm`
`18:11.25`	`mozrat`	`good question`
`18:11.41`	`mozrat`	`not directly... yes through nagios, mumin, cacti`
`18:11.53`	`mozrat`	`i dont use it as a standalone tool`
`18:12.32`	`boudiccas`	`ah, ty.`
`18:12.39`	`mozrat`	`are your cacti graphs looking pretty?`
`18:12.56`	`boudiccas`	`just solid blocks of blue. dissapointing really`
`18:13.34`	`boudiccas`	`machine is crunching work units for the folding@home project, 24/7`
`18:13.36`	`mozrat`	`did you try running a few yes commands for an hour or so?`
`18:13.46`	`mozrat`	`should drive your CPU usage up a bit`
`18:13.59`	`boudiccas`	`its maxed out now and always is :)`
`18:14.07`	`boudiccas`	`'cos of doing folding`
`18:14.07`	`mozrat`	`ah ok`
`18:14.19`	`boudiccas`	`hence ths olid blocks of blue`
`18:14.25`	`boudiccas`	`*solid`
`18:14.33`	`mozrat`	`gotcha`
`18:14.39`	`boudiccas`	`danm keybaord!`
`18:16.16`	`boudiccas`	`damned hayfever!`
`18:18.01`	`mozrat`	`woohoo - my tube station next`
`18:18.17`	`mozrat`	`catch you later boudiccas, all`
`18:18.37`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; k, byee`
`18:27.28`	`morsing`	`ping z00dax`
`18:27.50`	`z00dax`	`morsing: pong`
`18:28.16`	`morsing`	`z00dax: We're very dissapointed!`
`18:28.33`	`morsing`	`Get your ass down here!`
`18:28.42`	`z00dax`	`<-- still @ work :(`
`18:30.26`	`z00dax`	`:)`
`18:30.42`	`z00dax`	`i might still make it there - you are there for a while yet right ?`
`18:31.00`	`z00dax`	`keyword being 'might'`
`18:33.16`	`rhowe`	`z00dax: yes we will be. get your ass down here now`
`18:38.03`	`cpufreak_`	`where is this meet thing tonight?`
`18:38.13`	`antiphase`	`I told you you boner biter`
`18:38.17`	`cpufreak_`	`fuck you`
`18:38.21`	`cpufreak_`	`:)`
`18:38.21`	`antiphase`	`Your Mum`
`18:40.20`	`wethrin`	`RTFmailing list :)`
`18:40.31`	`cpufreak_`	`I refuse to read mail.`
`18:40.45`	`SlayerXP`	`cpufreak_: who let you in?`
`18:40.50`	`cpufreak_`	`the cat`
`18:40.56`	`wethrin`	`Probably george`
`18:41.13`	`cpufreak_`	`I blame beer`
`18:41.17`	`cpufreak_`	`anyway, to the pub.`
`18:41.50`	`*** part/#gllug alp (n=alp@82-41-25-6.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`18:43.59`	`Cope`	`z00dax!`
`18:47.34`	`arika-chan`	`Cope!`
`18:47.54`	`wethrin`	`Angelchild!`
`18:48.01`	`angelchild`	`:o`
`18:48.05`	`angelchild`	`hi again`
`18:48.22`	`wethrin`	`Back to this old nick`
`18:48.40`	`angelchild`	`temporarily`
`18:48.49`	`angelchild`	`I might go back to`
`18:49.09`	`wethrin`	`arrr`
`18:49.24`	`catalyst`	`yarr`
`18:50.44`	`wethrin`	`YARRRR!`
`19:11.25`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`19:11.46`	`wethrin`	`morsing!`
`19:11.56`	`morsing`	`beer`
`19:12.51`	`morsing`	`Where did z00dax go?`
`19:13.44`	`wethrin`	`To the meeting`
`19:20.26`	`mozrat`	`evening - which meeting?`
`19:22.16`	`catalyst`	`heh, awesome`
`19:22.22`	`catalyst`	`motorla have offered me an interview`
`19:22.26`	`catalyst`	`motorola*`
`19:22.43`	`mozrat`	`catalyst: for work??`
`19:22.46`	`mozrat`	`fantastic`
`19:23.52`	`Cope`	`catalyst: woo`
`19:24.23`	`mozrat`	`congrats`
`19:30.40`	`shai`	`echo ping > #gllug`
`19:30.49`	`SlayerXP`	`pong`
`19:31.38`	`shai`	`request timed out "ping" mozrat , Cope , catalyst , wethrin etc etc"`
`19:33.46`	`shai`	`anyone here use/know rlbackup ?`
`19:34.19`	`SlayerXP`	`i don't know it, and neither does debian`
`19:34.33`	`shai`	`debian ?`
`19:34.47`	`SlayerXP`	`postel:~# apt-cache search rlbackup`
`19:34.47`	`SlayerXP`	`postel:~#`
`19:35.00`	`shai`	`bah ... http://www.math.ualberta.ca/imaging/rlbackup/`
`19:35.55`	`wethrin`	`shai: reping?`
`19:36.15`	`shai`	`heh?`
`19:36.29`	`wethrin`	`You pung #gllug`
`19:36.41`	`wethrin`	`But I don't know rlbackup`
`19:36.44`	`shai`	`i did, i really did ping #gllug`
`19:36.57`	`mozrat`	`shai you pinged me`
`19:37.00`	`wethrin`	`Yeah. You can't deny it!`
`19:37.02`	`mozrat`	`provide a valid reason`
`19:37.11`	`wethrin`	`Anyway. I disappear now. Bye!`
`19:38.16`	`shai`	`lol`
`19:38.35`	`shai`	`mozrat, i thought i was lagging ..`
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`19:52.51`	`mozrat`	`shai: I'm joking :-)`
`20:28.49`	`z00dax`	`Cope: !`
`20:28.58`	`z00dax`	`finally!`
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`22:35.05`	`z00dax`	`Gonz0:`
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`23:06.21`	`wethrin`	`Foo`
`23:11.03`	`angelchild`	`Bar`
`23:12.30`	`wethrin`	`yeah!`

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