| 00:09.14 | gregj | "A Basque noun is inflected in 17 different ways for case, multiplied by 4 ways for its definiteness and number. These first 68 forms are further modified based on other parts of the sentence, which in turn are inflected for the noun again. It's been estimated that at two levels of recursion, a Basque noun may have 458,683 inflected forms (Agirre et al, 1992)." |
| 00:09.19 | gregj | wow, no comment |
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| 06:19.27 | Leeds | morning SlayerXP |
| 06:20.28 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:39.43 | Leeds | well... there's my formal notice |
| 06:41.41 | murb | your formal what? |
| 06:42.13 | Leeds | notice of termination of employment |
| 06:42.29 | murb | why? |
| 06:42.46 | Leeds | uh... because I was told last week I was being fired? |
| 06:43.43 | Leeds | "re-organisation of the company structure" according to the letter, because I'm not right for the job, the job isn't right for me, their expectations were too high, I didn't live up to potential, etc. etc. |
| 06:44.15 | murb | are you looking for another job in .hk? |
| 06:44.26 | Leeds | dunno |
| 06:44.36 | Leeds | there's three months notice to 'work' through yet |
| 06:44.59 | murb | so they won't give you gardening leave? |
| 06:45.43 | Leeds | not formally... I do have stuff to finish off and hand off, but I wouldn't expect to be here every day, towards the end |
| 06:51.34 | Leeds | I guess no-one knew, since I just told Chris - the other techie, who will have to take over the stuff I've done - and he is shocked |
| 07:00.38 | SlayerXP | Leeds: request gardening leave. write a letter stating that you're demoralised and don't feel that you representing the company would be in its best interests at the moment. explain that the whole thing has come as a shock to you and you feel you need some time and space to gather your thoughts. moreoever, they can hardly sack you more. |
| 07:02.35 | Leeds | SlayerXP: we did discuss it last week |
| 07:04.09 | Leeds | at the moment, to be quite honest, I'm not doing any work, and the internet connection here is much better :-) |
| 07:05.13 | SlayerXP | yes, but you can hardly watch porn, slag off your colleagues and sit around naked whilst at the office |
| 07:06.43 | Leeds | uh... |
| 07:06.54 | Leeds | probably not the first, certainly not the third... |
| 07:06.55 | SlayerXP | or can you? :) |
| 07:08.08 | Leeds | see, there's a line between 'chucked out, fired immediately' and 'getting paid, including rent paid, for 3 more months' |
| 07:08.47 | Leeds | that line falls somewhere with clothes on |
| 07:09.54 | Leeds | both my clothes, and the pretty lady on my screen :-) |
| 07:30.25 | Leeds | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67603667@N00/151326907/ is a genuine picture AFAIK - not mine - and that building, which sits at sea level, is 450m tall |
| 07:30.38 | Leeds | 6th biggest building in the world |
| 07:33.56 | mozrat | moin |
| 07:34.12 | Leeds | shalom |
| 07:39.40 | SlayerXP | Leeds: I prefer regular alpine skiing |
| 07:40.04 | Leeds | strange - I'd have thought Nordic would be your thing |
| 07:40.36 | SlayerXP | thinking isn't your strong point, I guess :) |
| 07:40.46 | Leeds | ? |
| 07:40.50 | SlayerXP | humour |
| 07:40.57 | Leeds | what about it? |
| 07:41.17 | SlayerXP | never mind, I've had insufficient coffee to try to explain |
| 07:41.31 | Leeds | do you think I didn't notice the shalom/slalom pun? |
| 07:41.32 | murb | i really really should put the kettle on here. |
| 07:41.52 | SlayerXP | Leeds: no, not that one |
| 07:42.10 | Leeds | SlayerXP: please, do explain |
| 07:42.51 | SlayerXP | really, it would take too long, and isn't sufficiently funny to be worth it |
| 07:43.11 | Leeds | I'm confused |
| 07:43.29 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 07:44.08 | Leeds | also, I'm really rather tired and going to a pub quiz in a few hours |
| 07:44.18 | murb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5007184.stm # doh! |
| 07:44.58 | SlayerXP | this morning I shall mostly be explaining to $potential_customer why they want to give me money |
| 07:47.20 | SlayerXP | email: "Anyone have any good links to how to deliver a baby?" |
| 07:47.38 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I suggest FedEx |
| 07:47.52 | SlayerXP | I replied "Don't use DHL, or Parcelforce. " |
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| 07:48.37 | SlayerXP | Parcelforce once asked me to sign for a package that had clearly been set on fire. |
| 07:51.08 | AndrewBlack | Hi there. Anyone know if you can get MUTT to send FROM a different address. Want to send from andrew-xxx at domain for various values of xxx |
| 07:51.20 | murb | yes |
| 07:51.25 | murb | just turn on edit_headers |
| 07:51.31 | murb | and set the From: in your email |
| 07:51.37 | murb | what your mta does with it is up to you |
| 07:51.54 | Leeds | you're sending porn? |
| 07:52.16 | murb | set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -f myemail-blahblah@pr0n.com" |
| 07:52.27 | AndrewBlack | Bahh - I use different email address for mailing lists |
| 07:52.35 | murb | although that depends on your mta honohring -f |
| 07:52.41 | murb | AndrewBlack: and what is the problem with my solution? |
| 07:53.03 | murb | just configure a send-hook |
| 07:53.26 | AndrewBlack | murb: nothing - the bahh was to Leeds' suggestion as to why I might want to do this :-) |
| 07:53.42 | Leeds | andrew-xxx? |
| 07:53.43 | murb | e.g. send-hook gllug@gllug.org.uk "set sendmail=\"/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -f andrew-gllug@pr0n.com\"" |
| 07:56.13 | AndrewBlack | I see - xxx was intended to be a placeholder, maybe not the best choice |
| 08:01.16 | AndrewBlack | Can I set edit_header on/off dynamically |
| 08:03.38 | Leeds | AndrewBlack: I know... but I don't use mutt, so I can't help you |
| 08:07.10 | AndrewBlack | Using edit_header is fine. I am a bit suprsied that EXIM lets me send it . I was expecting to have to configure that to let it through but it seems to work fine. Don't complain. |
| 08:08.51 | murb | AndrewBlack: are you in a mail admins group? |
| 08:09.10 | murb | or trusted_users ? |
| 08:09.24 | SlayerXP | or sending from a relay network? |
| 08:10.03 | murb | does mutt now talk smtp? |
| 08:10.15 | skugg | murb: that's entirely unecessary |
| 08:10.52 | murb | skugg: what is? |
| 08:11.08 | skugg | send-hook . "my_hdr From: Stig Brautaset <stig@brautaset.org>" |
| 08:11.16 | skugg | no need to mess around with the MTA |
| 08:11.19 | murb | skugg: that depends on your mta configuration. |
| 08:11.27 | murb | it could just ignore you. |
| 08:11.46 | skugg | meh. |
| 08:14.15 | AndrewBlack | Cheers. Not quite there as the envelope is still set to the detault address. But you have given me some hints. TIme to get on with some work |
| 08:15.19 | murb | AndrewBlack: your mta probably doesn't trust you. |
| 08:15.36 | murb | maybe it trusted you before but then you sent spam? |
| 08:17.00 | Leeds | or cheated on it with postfix |
| 08:17.42 | AndrewBlack | I suspect this is the default for EXIM. They admin can;t have blacked me because I am the admin !!! |
| 08:17.47 | SlayerXP | or you have a secret crush on DJB |
| 08:18.35 | AndrewBlack | I guess I (as MTA admin) need to add andrew (plain user) to trusted user |
| 08:18.44 | AndrewBlack | But that is for later |
| 08:18.46 | Leeds | SlayerXP: don't be nasty |
| 08:20.29 | SlayerXP | yes, that was uncalled for, sorry |
| 08:24.46 | SlayerXP | sent to the debian-users list, in blue italic (html) text: "Dear Sir...when i run the check up, it goes all the way until halfway thru the the "d" drive then STOPS, i can't fix the problems..what could be causing the problem and how can i correct it. I get 98% thru and it won't go any further...thanks and hope to hear from you...Sam" |
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| 10:08.22 | Leeds | time to go to a pub quiz |
| 10:08.30 | rhowe | o.O |
| 10:08.53 | rhowe | Something's changed in Debian's X, Gnome and/or defoma/pango/xft setup |
| 10:09.19 | rhowe | Suddenly I feel like I'm using Fedora |
| 10:09.44 | Leeds | fun... /me gone |
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| 10:32.02 | stephanb2 | hello everybody |
| 10:32.13 | stephanb2 | is the meeting confirmed for thursday ? |
| 10:34.32 | z00dax | stephanb2: i think so, yes |
| 10:51.54 | stephanb2 | k |
| 10:52.30 | z00dax | I will be there :) |
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| 11:35.54 | stephanb2 | well me too... |
| 11:36.02 | stephanb2 | ... maybe even with a cv :-o |
| 11:55.19 | z00dax | humm ?? |
| 11:55.29 | z00dax | are you job hunting with FilmLight ? |
| 12:36.37 | stephanb2 | z00dax: no not specially |
| 12:37.14 | stephanb2 | z00dax: it would be nice one day to find a job where both sides of my personality can be used |
| 12:37.57 | stephanb2 | z00dax: although i am doubting it will ever happen |
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| 12:42.05 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 12:42.22 | stephanb2 | good afternoon |
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| 13:01.03 | pie | I have a new job! |
| 13:05.10 | keithlard | hola tios |
| 13:06.31 | z00dax | stephanb2: you'll find that such a job is not a job to survive in |
| 13:06.47 | z00dax | pie: yay! me too! |
| 13:06.57 | z00dax | keithlard: hola |
| 13:08.37 | stephanb2 | z00dax: ah i take your point, i'm taking my work too seriously |
| 13:09.05 | stephanb2 | identifying with the job. |
| 13:25.47 | pie | z00dax, where? |
| 13:26.40 | keithlard | i like taking my work seriously! it's fun :) |
| 13:52.54 | mozrat | Hello |
| 13:53.57 | z00dax | pie: I am going to work over there |
| 13:54.06 | z00dax | mozrat: ! |
| 13:54.20 | mozrat | hey z00dax |
| 13:54.21 | pie | Oooh! I am goinh to work there too! |
| 13:54.45 | z00dax | cool, must meet up for a few beers over lunch then |
| 13:55.02 | pie | There being London? |
| 13:55.25 | z00dax | N1 i believe |
| 13:55.35 | pie | Hmm, I will be working closer to here. |
| 13:55.45 | pie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.16 | z00dax | where might here be ? |
| 13:56.35 | pie | Manchester |
| 13:56.47 | pie | Or London from your point of view... |
| 13:56.57 | pie | but from my point of view, Manchsteer |
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| 15:26.38 | keithlard | how was last night's excitemint then? |
| 15:28.28 | George | SoC results today |
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| 15:31.54 | keithlard | ? |
| 15:32.05 | George | Summer of Code |
| 15:32.13 | George | Google are publishing the list of accepted students today |
| 15:33.30 | Leeds | well, we came third in the pub quiz |
| 15:33.39 | keithlard | reely? for shame! :) |
| 15:34.14 | Leeds | we won last time... the team we beat that time won today |
| 15:35.11 | keithlard | baaah |
| 15:35.39 | keithlard | i will try and come along next time |
| 15:36.28 | Leeds | really? :-) |
| 15:36.39 | Leeds | this is at Bulldog's in Lan Kwai Fong... |
| 15:36.58 | keithlard | ok, what tube line is that on |
| 15:37.19 | Leeds | nearest station is Central, on the Island and Tsuen Wan lines |
| 15:37.27 | Leeds | also on the Tung Chung line |
| 15:37.40 | keithlard | i hope it is not too many stops from finchley central |
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| 15:38.43 | Leeds | well... it's zone 72534 |
| 15:39.47 | Leeds | meanwhile I'm now trying to build X11R7.1 on the other side of the room and failing |
| 15:42.04 | keithlard | baah |
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| 15:48.05 | Leeds | I'm trying to take a few days off from the drinking - of course the prize for coming 3rd is a round of shots :-) |
| 15:49.26 | Leeds | and the weather forecast here for the next week or so is approximately "on Friday, it might not rain" |
| 15:57.48 | keithlard | humm |
| 16:01.07 | Leeds | and given that the shot went straight to my head, and it's midnight... g'night |
| 16:01.26 | keithlard | buenas noches! |
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| 17:56.43 | stephanb2 | wb boudiccas |
| 17:57.02 | keithlard | ooh, that's good, centos has a built-in rescue disc |
| 17:57.22 | boudiccas | stephanb2; ty :) |
| 17:57.44 | keithlard | unfortunately, if you use it, anaconda crashes with a python traceback and the machine reboots :-| |
| 17:57.48 | keithlard | hi b :) |
| 18:34.00 | AndrewBlack | wethrin - following our discussion yesterday I have signed up to Livejournal. |
| 18:34.09 | keithlard | ooh |
| 18:34.30 | AndrewBlack | Thought it better to try one thing then when I have some experience I will know what to look for in other sites. |
| 18:34.47 | keithlard | what's your journal name |
| 18:34.53 | keithlard | i am keithlard :) |
| 18:35.28 | AndrewBlack | andrewdblack. Not much there yet but made my maiden speech ! |
| 18:36.19 | AndrewBlack | I like the section "manage friends". Sounds like "How to win freinds and influence people :-) |
| 18:36.22 | keithlard | cool |
| 18:37.23 | stephanb2 | how to manage friends with crontab, nice, bg and kill |
| 18:38.41 | keithlard | finger, mount... |
| 18:40.55 | stephanb2 | ping, iptables... |
| 18:41.06 | wethrin | AndrewBlack: Hurrah :) |
| 18:41.16 | wethrin | I'm dan_kolb |
| 18:41.21 | keithlard | oh so that's who that is |
| 18:41.44 | wethrin | heh |
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| 18:48.01 | wethrin | ac! |
| 18:48.49 | gregj | yeah, you too:P |
| 18:48.54 | wethrin | GJ! |
| 18:53.06 | angelchild | wethrin! |
| 18:53.08 | angelchild | GJ! |
| 19:00.09 | keithlard | home time! |
| 19:00.13 | keithlard | nightie night |
| 19:01.48 | wethrin | nn |
| 19:03.23 | stephanb2 | nn |
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| 19:45.28 | AndrewBlack | ping mozrat |
| 19:46.21 | AndrewBlack | can you add http://andrewdblack.livejournal.com to the gllug website |
| 20:04.13 | boudiccas | AndrewBlack; i think that dean wilson has to do it |
| 20:04.29 | AndrewBlack | OK - will contact him |
| 20:04.37 | boudiccas | wilson/warren? |
| 20:04.39 | wethrin | I think I got mozrat to prod Dean :) |
| 20:04.41 | wethrin | Wilson |
| 20:04.48 | boudiccas | ah ty |
| 20:05.28 | boudiccas | can thunderbird be coerced into saving its emails outside the mozilla folders? |
| 20:06.02 | boudiccas | i.e. in a 'mail' folder? |
| 20:06.44 | SlayerXP | i think you can save it anywhere you like |
| 20:07.32 | SlayerXP | tools -> account settings -> server settings right hand pane, bottom option "Local directory" |
| 20:07.39 | AndrewBlack | You can configure it to store the profile anywhere - is that what you want. |
| 20:08.05 | AndrewBlack | I made mistake of storing it my home directory (not a subdir thereof) so ended up with loads of files in that dir ;-( |
| 20:12.59 | AndrewBlack | off to pub |
| 20:21.52 | boudiccas | have you been abale to import email from kmail's mbox format into thunderbird? |
| 20:21.56 | boudiccas | *able |
| 20:22.19 | SlayerXP | i have never tried. |
| 20:22.34 | SlayerXP | long ago, I found the bountiful and beautiful vistas of imap |
| 20:22.49 | boudiccas | i tried but it didnt seem to recognise it |
| 20:28.26 | rhowe | SlayerXP: IMAP is the One True Way, even when dealing with Exchange |
| 20:28.42 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Exchange 2000 automatically de-TNEFifies stuff if you pull it out via IMAP |
| 20:31.09 | SlayerXP | luckily my days of dealing with exchange are long since past |
| 20:31.33 | SlayerXP | "I can reboot it if you like" is now my standard solution to all windows problems. |
| 20:31.44 | antiphase | I'm not sure how well IMAP scales, in terms of horsepower required to provide it |
| 20:32.01 | SlayerXP | depends on your daemon |
| 20:32.15 | SlayerXP | cyrus has Murder, which is distributed imap |
| 20:36.00 | antiphase | That looks quite good |
| 20:36.47 | rhowe | antiphase: We provide for about 100 users on a dual P2 300 |
| 20:36.54 | rhowe | antiphase: Under 200M of RAM |
| 20:37.13 | rhowe | antiphase: That thing runs Apache, postgres and is our primary MX too |
| 20:37.28 | rhowe | (it's also getting ditched soon) |
| 20:37.36 | antiphase | Sounds like about time :) |
| 20:38.32 | rhowe | Proliant 3000 :) |
| 20:38.38 | rhowe | There's a Proliant 1000 alongside it |
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| 22:23.12 | andrew | Hmmm - I see that I left IRC and came back again. |
| 22:23.16 | wethrin | yeah |
| 22:23.24 | andrew | I was in the pub and blissfully ignorant |
| 22:23.48 | wethrin | Oh, in response to your response to one of my LJ posts; you'll be hard pushed to find a digital camera nowadays that takes standard AA cells |
| 22:23.51 | wethrin | :-) |
| 22:32.16 | wethrin | andrew: You were at Croydon.pm? |
| 22:43.47 | andrew | No - I was drinking with my wife in a youngs pub |
| 22:44.16 | AndrewBlack | and was a bit shocked to find http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1781459,00.html |
| 22:44.43 | AndrewBlack | Matthew has been to Croyd'n.pm - note the neutral vowal at the end. |
| 22:45.57 | AndrewBlack | s/vowal/vowel/ |
| 22:48.22 | AndrewBlack | Or maybe s/vowal/vow'l/ |