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00:02.29wethrinYeah
00:02.32wethrinLate, over here
00:03.16Leedsearly over here, obviously
00:03.51wethrinyeah
00:03.58wethrinWhich means I ought to sleep
00:04.01wethrinnn!
00:04.26Georgemoo.
00:04.29Leedsnight
00:04.30wethrinGeorge!
00:04.35wethrinIsn't it past your bedtime?
00:04.52Georgehahahahaa.
00:06.12wethrinWon't matron be around soon?
00:07.19Georgehahahahahaha.
00:07.21GeorgeI hate matron
00:07.26Georgeshe keeps waking me up before noon
00:08.26Leedssee, the funny thing is that in most circumstances, the use of the word 'matron' would be an immediate signal that here was a joke, a thing not to be taken seriously - a thing not to be answered
00:08.57wethrinYes, but George has a silver spoon
00:09.05George?
00:09.13wethrinposh person
00:09.35Georgeprig
00:22.42JAVhello
00:23.41Leedsyes, use of the word prig confirms it
00:37.29Leedssomeone just sanity-check me... what time is it?
00:38.53Leedsthe fact that my clock says 0838, but it's dark as night outside is confusing me
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00:47.21Leedsgethoper1: what time is it?
00:47.39gethoper1Leeds: 1:47 :)
00:47.41gethoper1am
00:50.44Leedsthank you
00:52.09Leeds0850 here... time to go to work
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01:42.24GeorgeIT'S FUCKING HOT
01:44.21Leedsit's dark and wet and I'm sure I just saw a flash out the window
01:47.08Georgehrmm
01:47.14GeorgeI'd much rather be in your position
01:47.19GeorgeHOT WEATHER SUCKS
01:47.57Leedsoh, it's not like it's *cold* here - 28C
01:48.37Leedsah, apparently the temperature has plunged in the past 30 mins or so - below 25 now
01:49.45GeorgeI bet you have air conditioning
01:50.51Leedsduh
01:51.08George02:44:49 < George> I'd much rather be in your position
01:51.09Leedshonestly, it's not for the temperature... it may only be 24.5C - but it's 95% humidity
01:53.36Leedshttp://www.hko.gov.hk/wxinfo/ts/display_graph_e.htm?twn&menu=otherwxi&rwx&addbar
01:57.05Leedslots of flashing and banging outside now
01:57.28Georgefireworks?
01:57.49Leedsthe gods are angry
01:58.31ErwinThere were some very impressive fireworks here today. No idea about the occasion.
01:58.52LeedsErwin: isn't Thursday enough reason to celebrate?
01:58.59ErwinAnd unfortunately, an ugly council building blocked most of my view.
02:10.12Leedsyou have buildings provided by an ugly council?
02:20.16Leedsflash-bang!
02:34.23Leedsand... we're up to amber rain
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03:33.04Leedsblack rain
06:09.12TimMagicm
06:09.13TimMagico
06:09.13TimMagicr
06:09.13TimMagicn
06:09.13TimMagici
06:09.13TimMagicn
06:09.14TimMagicg
06:09.18TimMagic!
06:13.21LeedsTimMagic: stop that :-)
06:22.52TimMagicw
06:22.53TimMagich
06:22.54TimMagicy
06:22.55TimMagic?
06:23.01TimMagici
06:23.01TimMagics
06:23.07TimMagici
06:23.07TimMagict
06:23.08TimMagica
06:23.09TimMagicn
06:23.10TimMagico
06:23.11TimMagicy
06:23.12TimMagici
06:23.14TimMagicn
06:23.16TimMagicg
06:23.18TimMagic?
06:23.46*** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ
06:23.53Leedsyes, it is
06:23.56TimMagico
06:23.57TimMagick
06:24.01TimMagicill stop now!
06:24.17TimMagicespecially as u have just been made op and may beat me up!
06:25.53*** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ
06:25.54TimMagicdont you mean mussels?
06:26.04TimMagicooh!
06:26.05TimMagicd
06:26.06TimMagice
06:26.07TimMagico
06:26.08TimMagicp
06:26.10TimMagice
06:26.11TimMagicd
06:26.11TimMagic!
06:26.29TimMagicim gonna stop now! really!
06:27.27*** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ
06:27.28TimMagicit was on our briefing yesterday evening that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had been killed
06:27.30Leedsyeah, stop it. now.
06:27.46TimMagicso in case you thought you saw him, you didn't
06:27.57TimMagichehe
06:28.30Leedsnah, he's not here...
06:30.13TimMagicnor here oddly enough
06:30.44TimMagicill let special branch know
06:33.55TimMagicwhy does the message of the day never change?
06:40.53TimMagichow dya get opped by the way?
06:42.53TimMagic?
06:51.58Leedsyou have to know someone
06:53.54TimMagici know people
06:54.01TimMagicjust probably not the right ones
06:58.03Leedsindeed...
07:04.31morsingLeeds!
07:04.33morsingTimMagic!
07:04.36Leedsmorsing...
07:04.55morsingMmm... beer
07:05.22morsingLeeds: Don't you miss going out for drinks with us?
07:05.41Leedsa little... although I do drink more here than I ever did in London
07:05.57morsingThat's good. Keeps you sharp
07:08.08Leedshmm... the rain warning is down to amber, but they've added a landslide warning
07:08.25morsingWe have a UV warning...
07:08.45Leedsheh... I don't think our UV level has been about about 0.2 today, out of 10
07:08.55LeedsI'm sorry - it's gone up to 0.8 at 3pm
07:35.38morsingLeeds: You poor thing...
07:53.58Leeds"The remarkable thing about Shakespeare is that he really is very good, in spite of all the people who say he is very good."
08:02.58morsingCan anyone make sense of this:
08:03.00morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/test.out
08:05.01Leedsno, it's Perl - it's not meant to make sense... you're using a write-only language
08:08.06morsingHELP!
08:08.09morsingping SlayerXP
08:08.13morsingibot wake wethrin
08:08.20ibotwethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!
08:19.10skuggmorsing: do you have test more installed?
08:19.46skuggdo 'perl -MTest::More -e 0 ' on the commandline to figure out
08:21.01skuggLeeds: your confusion seems to be from trying to read code written by write-only programmers. there's nothing inherently wrong with the readability of the language.
08:21.35Leedsskugg: you cannot deny that perl makes it easier to produce write-only code than many other (most serious?) languages
08:22.12skuggyes. yes I can.
08:22.18skuggphp. case closed.
08:22.36LeedsI didn't say it was the worst - obviously, php is worse
08:23.42skuggit also depends on "to whom" -- prolog is impenetrable until you've learnt how it works
08:23.59skuggmake and other declarative languages too.
08:24.10Leedsserious, meaning mainstream commercially-interesting, languages... prolog *certainly* doesn't count
08:24.40skuggah, so you admit that perl is commercially interesting. thank you.
08:24.45Leedsoh, sure
08:24.52Leedsmany people have been conned into using it commercially
08:24.56skuggperl is very pragmatic, and yes. it has very much syntax.
08:25.13skuggand some warts.
08:26.23SlayerXPmorsing: pong
08:36.42morsingskugg: test more what?
08:37.22morsingan't locate Test/More.pm in @INC (
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08:56.51Leedsevening andrew
08:57.40morsingAndrewBlack: Make sense of this please
08:57.46morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/test.out
08:58.25SlayerXPmorsing: install Test::More
08:58.42SlayerXPhttp://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/Test-Simple-0.62/lib/Test/More.pm
09:05.03SlayerXPperl programs rarely flourish when they're missing modules they require
09:09.19Leedsbored bored bored
09:10.26ErwinLeeds: Hey, is there some program for the Treo/Palm that lets you install PRCs without setting up complex things? I never got around to even installing the software, I wanted to just upload ChatterMail to see if it fares better than the builtin mail client -- that one is getting too frequent, odd timeouts
09:11.40LeedsI use Chatter... anyway, I don't understand what you mean about setting up complex things
09:11.53ErwinI haven't installed the CD from Palm on my machine
09:12.12Leedsuh... windows?
09:12.13ErwinI remember using pilot-install or such on Linux, rather than syncing, back when I used a Vx and a serial connection
09:12.29LeedsI've been using pilot-xfer on and off since 1999 - still using it today
09:12.48ErwinI don't know where I put my cable, I was thinking I could do something via Bluetooth
09:13.08Leedsah, over BT is much harder... I've done it... once... but I just use a cable normally
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09:44.04Leedsheh, as my colleages are going home, they're wishing me luck for England :-)
09:54.08wethrinheh
09:55.26Leedsthe government has put out health advice for people watching the matches: don't drink too much, get up and walk around every now and again, etc. - people are tearing it to shreds :-)
09:57.24Leeds"A spokesman for the Department of Health said today that even though delicious snacks such as potato chips and fried food as well as alcoholic beverages could add festivity to the World Cup, it is important to maintain healthy eating, avoid tobacco or excessive alcohol, and get enough sleep."
09:57.41Leedsbecause people really need advice on how to watch football
10:00.58rhoweLeeds: I'd imagine the advice is even more specific in Singapore :)
10:01.39Leedsvery true... dunno if they're as footie-mad as HK though
10:14.17Leedshometime... have a good one, all
11:02.30wethrin~change 1 LVL to EUR
11:02.42wethrin~change 78 EUR ot LVL
11:02.46wethrin~change 78 EUR to LVL
11:33.30morsingbeer
11:35.04morsingSAUSAGES
11:37.23morsingwethrin?
11:37.47wethrinyeah?
11:53.01skuggmorsing: did you solve your problem?
12:12.52rhowehmm.. does 2.6.x not have "IP forwarding" as something separate any more?
12:42.37morsingskugg: Wat problem?
12:42.43morsingrhowe: Yes
12:42.56morsingwethrin?
12:46.37morsingibot wake wethrin
12:46.44ibotwethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!
12:48.10morsingMoo
12:49.19morsingI'm getting closer!
12:49.30morsingOnly TimMagic ahead of me now
12:49.36morsingAnd he's not here :)
13:01.08IAmAIhi.
13:02.34SlayerXPmorsing: hours wasted on irc?
13:13.53skuggthe perl one.
13:14.39JAVhello
13:16.12*** join/#gllug angelchild (n=Catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild)
13:19.26z00daxac!
13:20.09z00daxbbl
13:33.08cpufreakhttp://b3ta.com/top-10-cutest-kittens/
13:33.19SlayerXPcpufreak: bad!
13:33.27cpufreaknever
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14:38.26GeorgeI LOVE MY AIR CONDITIONER
14:52.09morsingGeorge: Which one did you get?
14:52.35morsingSlayerXP: What?
14:52.38morsingangelchild!
14:52.51SlayerXPmorsing: ?
14:53.11morsing14:02 < SlayerXP> morsing: hours wasted on irc?
14:53.17morsingping George
14:53.31SlayerXPmorsing: you were talking about only being behind TimMagic in some competition
14:53.57angelchildmorsing!
14:54.07morsingSlayerXP: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/
14:54.38angelchildI forsee this summer being quite long and lonely :s
14:55.17morsingangelchild: Why?
14:55.18Georgemorsing: ?
14:55.23Georgemorsing: I've always had aircon in my room at home
14:55.31Georgemorsing: it's a permanent unit I fitted last year
14:55.40morsingGeorge: Brand? Portable or built-in?
14:55.44morsingAhh...
14:55.54morsingLast yeqar or always?
14:56.01morsings/yeqar/year/
14:57.11Georgemorsing: permanent unit :P
14:57.28Georgeit's the B&Q Airforce brand
14:58.04angelchildmorsing: because all my uni friends are going home and I'll be in soton on my own
14:58.27angelchildit's kinda sad that the dreams I have in the morning are more vivid and happy than my life is in reality, I didn't want to wake up this morning :(
14:58.32morsingGeorge: How many BTUs and was it dificult to fit?
14:58.51*** join/#gllug Cope (n=sanelson@vm.wibbleworld.org.uk)
14:59.12Georgemorsing: 9000 btu
14:59.13morsingCope!
14:59.16Georgemorsing: or 12000
14:59.17Georgecan't remember
14:59.21Copemorsing!
14:59.21Georgeand it wasn't difficult
14:59.22morsingGeorge: How to fit?
14:59.25SlayerXPHerr Nelson
14:59.28morsingDril two holes?
14:59.31Georgethe most difficult bit was drilling a 10cm diameter hole in the wall
14:59.32CopeI just heard I passed my security clearance
14:59.40morsingCope: Congrats
14:59.42Copeso should have formal offer in post
14:59.44morsingCope: DeLaRue?
14:59.48Copeyeah
14:59.50morsing:)
15:00.02morsingCope: So you're going to accept the offer?
15:00.08Copeprobably
15:02.58morsingCope: Do you know which dept. and systems you'd be working with?
15:03.16Copenot exactly, no
15:03.23SlayerXPmorsing: Catering.  The coffee machines.
15:03.26Copemorsing: but definitely the systems you host
15:03.39morsingCope: How do you know?
15:03.49Copebecause it was said during the intrview stages
15:03.55Copeand I even looked at the architecture
15:04.46morsingCool :)
15:06.19SlayerXPCope: rise to the bait, damn you :)
15:09.14CopeSlayerXP: worse... aix and oracle
15:10.07SlayerXPyour poor poor bastard
15:10.19SlayerXPsurely you can find a windows IIS job somewhere?
15:10.24Copelol
15:11.01SlayerXPi'm sure I saw a job advert for a windows 95 cluster admin role
15:14.36*** join/#gllug pie_ (n=pie@browse.net-serv.co.uk)
15:14.45pie_It is way too hot to do anything...
15:25.55morsingpie_!
15:27.27pie_yum yum!
15:29.10SlayerXPto Cope, that is
15:30.23Georgeit's too hot outside
15:39.21mozrathello
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15:43.56mozratthis is the first time in 2 days I've been able to sit on a chair
15:44.30mozratsciatica sucks
15:46.33SlayerXPmozrat: guess you won't be ordering that again then
15:47.19mozratnope
15:48.03SlayerXPsweepstake for what?
15:48.12CopeSlayerXP: most fat people on the beach
15:48.16mozratwinner of world war 3
15:48.28SlayerXPgood odds for either really
15:53.38pie_mozrat, isn't that some sort of dodgy pr0n?
15:54.12pie_www.topthetable.com fro all your prediction needs.  Anyone want an invite, let me know
15:54.40pie_George, it's too hot inside, that's the problem.
15:55.10mozrathttp://beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/215-Sciatica.html
16:02.59wethrinmorsing??
16:36.27z00daxangelchild: yay!
16:36.46angelchild:o
16:37.47z00daxisnt stalking more fun ?
16:37.49SlayerXPconsider yourself honoured
16:42.58ErwinChrist, it's 32C in my room
16:46.15z00daxErwin: open some windows
16:46.29z00daxmy machine room was at 30 Deg this morning
16:47.23ErwinI've opened the door; unfortunately my living room is all windows
16:49.04ErwinAnd the temperature is going go be even higher tomrorow, argghh
17:17.41z00daxhummm not nice...
17:17.56z00daxleave the fridge door open :) does that help ?
17:24.54Erwinthe one cool room left is the bathroom
17:26.47Georgeok
17:26.50Georgejust ordered 16mbit adsl
17:27.53ErwinUnfortunately it 16384 down and 128 up.
17:28.24Georgeno
17:28.25George1mbit up
17:35.05morsingphotoso?
17:35.35morsingMoo
17:40.42z00daxwho's offering 16mb/1meg adsl ?
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18:27.35morsingAndrewBlack!
19:10.27boudiccasGeorge; A closed mouth gathers no feet.
19:33.20George?
19:39.35haliGeorge: bulldog?
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20:06.50Erwinmorsing: do you have one that is effective and doesn't require a hole in the wall?
20:06.58morsingYes
20:08.09ErwinSo what does it do with the heat?
20:08.38eyoreproperly it's an evaporation one then
20:08.56eyore"probably" even
20:10.19morsingErwin: It's a portable 9000BTU unit. Attachable hose goes out through the window and a hole in the wall
20:10.43morsingCooled my lounge down from 28.1 to 25.5 in less than 30mins
20:10.52morsings/and/or/
20:12.30eyorehow much are they?
20:13.02morsing150 for this one
20:13.09morsingHomebase
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20:22.56morsingarika-chan!
20:24.28eyorei get bad hayfever
20:24.39eyoreso i have the choice between getting very hot or sneezing a lot
20:41.57halieyore: hm, sounds like a bad rap song :)
20:42.22eyoreheh. you must listen to some weirdo rap
20:46.31rhoweTime to get down to business on these photos
21:55.38wethrinarrrrr
21:56.10rhowehm.. PC too slow, and Debian too broken
21:56.57wethrinGet a Sun, and run Solaris
21:56.58wethrin:)
21:56.59wethrinOr a Mac
21:57.37rhowewethrin: The wife's Vaio isn't fast enough for the job either
21:57.48rhowewethrin: I think that's a P4 something or other..
21:57.54rhowehm.. Centrino something
21:57.59SlayerXPany xenheads in?
21:58.34rhowewethrin: Not especially :)
21:58.39rhoweSlayerXP: Hm.. mildly..
21:58.39wethrinHeh :)
21:59.08SlayerXPrhowe: I have a small server with a perfectly good kernel config.  I want to take this .config and have it be the basis for the xen build
21:59.21SlayerXPI cannot seem to locate a suitable place to drop it
21:59.36SlayerXPI also tried another approach
22:00.07rhoweSlayerXP: no idea
22:00.13rhoweSlayerXP: Never built a xen kernel
22:00.27SlayerXPI ran "make mkpatches", patched the kernel tree with the resulting patch, dropped my .config in there, ran "make oldconfig" and then tried to compile.  I get a compile erorr then.
22:01.34rhoweSlayerXP: What about if you do "make menuconfig" and then load in your configuration?
22:01.48SlayerXPditto.
22:02.17rhowediff -u xenconfig slayerxpconfig
22:02.42SlayerXPthe compile error appears to be more terminal than that
22:02.54SlayerXPhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/2785
22:04.25rhowelynx http://channels.debian.net/paste/2785
22:04.37rhowehm, wrong window :)
22:05.07rhowehmm. did this tree ever build?
22:05.20rhoweDo you have to add ARCH=xen to every step? Did you always remember to?
22:05.40SlayerXPrhowe: that's allegedly not needed these days
22:06.17rhoweIn that case, I'd say your kernel and xen aren't compatible
22:06.28rhoweI had a similar error to this when building UML once
22:06.42SlayerXPthis is _specifically_ the kernel that this tarball of xen is built for
22:06.43rhoweIt was simply that UMLs syscall table wasn't up to date with the rest of the kernel
22:22.30TimMagich
22:22.30TimMagice
22:22.31TimMagicl
22:22.32TimMagicl
22:22.33TimMagico
22:22.34TimMagice
22:22.34TimMagicv
22:22.35TimMagice
22:22.37TimMagicr
22:22.39TimMagicy
22:22.41TimMagico
22:22.43TimMagicn
22:22.45TimMagice
22:22.47TimMagic!
22:22.52TimMagicoh yeah - i forgot that was annoying
22:22.58TimMagichow is everybody?
22:27.13z00daxphased out
22:27.39eyorealrighty
22:27.45eyorebut i've eaten all the fruit flan
22:27.51z00daxhow about you - why are you not out making some noise, shaking a leg, getting some nectar into your system this lovely friday night
22:29.17eyoreI only got AK suited twice today. First time another guy had KK second time AA
22:29.30eyoreoops channel error
22:29.45z00daxyou carry an AK around with you ?
22:30.11eyoreyes just incase people try to steal of any of my fruit flan
22:31.25eyorethe electrics around this area is very dodgy
22:31.29eyorelights keep on flickering
22:31.51eyorethis morning there was a power fluctuation at the office, all our pcs rebooted and it friend our router/wifi
22:32.10eyorefriend = fried
22:34.22z00daxhumm... fried Wiki Routers....
22:34.29z00daxI wonder what they taste like ?
22:34.58eyorenot a wiki
22:34.59eyorewifi
22:35.15z00daxoh them -
22:35.19eyorenetgear crap
22:35.28rhoweeyore: Where is your office?
22:35.34eyorebricklane
22:35.39z00daxhumm.. fried wifi router... i bet those taste like fried mars bars that some of these crazy northerners seem to like
22:35.42rhoweeyore: Our city office suffered a similar problem (Lime Street)
22:35.59z00daxi dont have an office, i am unemployed!
22:36.00z00daxyay!
22:36.07eyorethere was a power outage for several hours a few days back
22:36.07rhowez00dax: heh, how long for?
22:36.10eyoresince then it's been dodgy
22:36.22z00daxrhowe: a week
22:36.33eyorei suspect some guys been trying to hold the wires togethor but he's getting tired
22:37.54z00daxlazy wire holders....
22:40.47eyoreprobably it's hard when you are constantly being electrocuted for minimum wage
22:44.33z00daxyes, i can sort of see how being electrocuted might be an issue
22:46.11TimMagici almost got a buzz from my light mixer earlier
22:46.19TimMagicwould have stung come the morning
23:18.11TimMagicso everyone else has lives
23:18.15TimMagicjust me here
23:18.17TimMagicalas!
23:18.59TimMagicnn all
23:20.21z00daxTimMagic: nite
23:31.00Georgehey z00dax

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