| 01:20.35 | George | moo |
| 07:23.36 | morsing | What a beautiful morning :) |
| 07:47.55 | morsing | Is anyone nearly awake yet? |
| 07:48.08 | morsing | s/feel/feels/ |
| 07:49.01 | morsing | YES! I beat TimMagic :D |
| 07:50.26 | morsing | HellO? |
| 08:39.03 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 08:39.10 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:46.02 | SlayerXP | i'm a bit awake |
| 08:52.37 | morsing | Woo SlayerXP! |
| 08:52.39 | morsing | BBQ? |
| 08:52.58 | SlayerXP | i'd love to |
| 08:53.44 | morsing | Come over this afternoon then |
| 08:54.03 | SlayerXP | no flights |
| 08:54.22 | SlayerXP | i already thought about turning up in london to surprise lynda |
| 08:58.06 | morsing | Lynda? |
| 08:59.08 | SlayerXP | my partner |
| 09:03.40 | morsing | Huh? She's not in Norway?! |
| 09:03.46 | SlayerXP | nope |
| 09:03.54 | morsing | Poor you |
| 09:03.56 | SlayerXP | she moved back to london 2 weeks ago |
| 09:04.03 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 09:04.19 | SlayerXP | well, 12 days |
| 09:04.30 | morsing | Norway wasn't the glamerous lifestyle she had expected? |
| 09:05.00 | SlayerXP | it's just not worked out for us here. |
| 09:05.21 | morsing | Because of the price of beer? |
| 09:05.28 | SlayerXP | quite a few factors |
| 09:05.36 | SlayerXP | the two most important ones are: |
| 09:05.45 | SlayerXP | 1) it's basically impossible to get a job here unless you're norwegian |
| 09:05.58 | SlayerXP | 2) the food here is very very poor by comparison |
| 09:06.04 | SlayerXP | and I like cooking |
| 09:06.19 | SlayerXP | so not being able to get good quality fresh ingrediants is a real pest for me |
| 09:06.34 | SlayerXP | and there's some common stuff you just can't get here. full stop. |
| 09:09.12 | morsing | SlayerXP: Well, I have the same problem living in Eng;and |
| 09:09.26 | SlayerXP | you can;t get work because you're not norwegian? :) |
| 09:10.13 | morsing | Can't get proper food and lack of ingredients |
| 09:10.24 | morsing | And I miss good chocolate and cheese |
| 09:10.31 | SlayerXP | i miss meat. |
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| 09:11.08 | morsing | SlayerXP: Yeah I know meat in Norway is a problem |
| 09:12.58 | SlayerXP | there is some "okay" meat, but it's appallingly expensive |
| 09:13.07 | SlayerXP | you're looking at about £18 per kilo |
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| 09:29.33 | morsing | Gonz0! |
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| 09:53.23 | TimMagic | morsing: yes indeed you did beat me |
| 09:53.33 | TimMagic | but i am attempting to play catch up |
| 09:53.39 | TimMagic | fear not |
| 09:54.22 | TimMagic | has anyone looked at my blog? |
| 09:54.41 | TimMagic | http://timmymagic.blogspot.com |
| 09:54.44 | TimMagic | its great |
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| 10:14.34 | TimMagic | hi shai! |
| 10:24.46 | TimMagic | hmm no one likes me! |
| 10:24.56 | TimMagic | or there is no-one here! |
| 10:28.10 | TimMagic | yo z00dax |
| 10:28.17 | TimMagic | hows it hangin? |
| 10:28.50 | z00dax | TimMagic: not too bad, gota drive upto ipswitch later today |
| 10:28.55 | z00dax | not looking forward to that at all |
| 10:33.10 | TimMagic | hmm yeah |
| 10:33.26 | TimMagic | the a12 - the most funtastic road in the world |
| 10:33.32 | TimMagic | why to ipswich? |
| 10:33.55 | z00dax | actually to a small obscure village near there - hitcham |
| 10:34.14 | z00dax | sort of visiting $random family friend for a meal |
| 10:35.51 | TimMagic | z00dax: ok |
| 10:35.56 | TimMagic | leeds: huh?!? |
| 10:36.41 | z00dax | Leeds: get everyone together at the same place ? |
| 10:37.00 | SlayerXP | Leeds: well, where's the big hand pointing to? |
| 10:37.13 | Leeds | TimMagic: got confused over what time the match was... got a seat booked in a bar for it... also dinner with group of friends, a couple of whom want to see the match, also, invited to a party with a completely different group of people, none of whom I know |
| 10:37.38 | Leeds | match at 9pm (I thought it was midnight)... dinner at 7:30pm across town... party at 9pm in another part of town |
| 10:37.42 | TimMagic | abandon the ones you dont know |
| 10:37.58 | TimMagic | dinner in fron of football in bar with football loving friends |
| 10:38.16 | TimMagic | s/fron/front/ |
| 10:40.00 | TimMagic | problem solved |
| 10:40.03 | Leeds | the party is probably a very good networking opportunity |
| 10:40.16 | z00dax | humm... lan party |
| 10:40.26 | TimMagic | lan party... hehe |
| 10:40.41 | Leeds | I've already had dim sum (a bit of a failure, since almost everything had pork in it) and a drink at an organic cafe with the dinner people |
| 10:40.43 | TimMagic | have dinner with friends and football |
| 10:40.48 | Leeds | yeah, not that sort of networking :-) |
| 10:40.58 | TimMagic | watch the match and turn up fashionably late for the party |
| 10:41.14 | z00dax | get to the party, with a 5" portaTV |
| 10:41.30 | z00dax | call friends to $party to join in |
| 10:41.56 | Leeds | thing is... England is the home team here... so, particularly if they do well, La Kwai Fong (drinking/dancing district where I have a seat for footie) is likely to be a major party area |
| 10:42.00 | z00dax | if you dont know anyone at the party, there is a good chance they wont either |
| 10:42.27 | z00dax | well, thats half 7 right ? you can do that anyway |
| 10:42.44 | z00dax | depending on how its going, you have the option of calling friends down there to join in later |
| 10:42.53 | Leeds | nah... there's a Jewish guy in my building I've spoken to a couple of times - I bumped into him in the lift today and he invited me... so it's a private/friends-only party |
| 10:43.01 | Leeds | nah, party and match are both at 9pm |
| 10:43.03 | z00dax | ah humm |
| 10:43.22 | z00dax | you could do party with portaTV |
| 10:43.31 | Leeds | good chance to meet new people... he's in the semi-conductor industry, so possibly a chance to meet new employers |
| 10:43.48 | TimMagic | a jew doing stuff on a saturday?!?!? |
| 10:43.51 | z00dax | oh yea - thats always a good thing |
| 10:43.59 | TimMagic | but yeah |
| 10:44.04 | TimMagic | good call for new employers |
| 10:44.32 | Leeds | TimMagic: he was on the way back from somewhere religious - wearing jacket, kippah (skullcap) - I was on my way back from having dim sum and buying weetabix at the supermarket for breakfast tomorrow :-) |
| 10:45.20 | Leeds | a catholic friend got confused earlier when I said I didn't eat pork, beause she said she'd seen Jewish people eating pork before... I asked her if she went to church every Sunday... she got the point |
| 10:46.38 | AndrewBlack | There is the old joke about the Rabbi and the Catholic priest. |
| 10:47.33 | Leeds | sex is better |
| 10:47.43 | Leeds | I assume :-) |
| 10:47.56 | AndrewBlack | Got it - I was about to type it out .... |
| 10:48.13 | Leeds | sorry - jumping to punchlines is a very rude thing to do |
| 10:48.51 | AndrewBlack | I used to share pager with an Orthodox Jew. It was a real nuisance. |
| 10:48.55 | z00dax | yes, since some of us dont actually know the joke |
| 10:49.22 | Leeds | AndrewBlack: being on solo duty for a 25 hour period? |
| 10:49.31 | Leeds | AndrewBlack: go ahead, tell the joke... z00dax, I'm sorry |
| 10:49.37 | z00dax | :) no worries |
| 10:49.44 | z00dax | i need to run now anyway, gota drive to ipswitch |
| 10:49.52 | z00dax | Leeds: hope your evening works out |
| 10:49.57 | z00dax | cyalll l8r'z |
| 10:49.58 | Leeds | have fun |
| 10:50.12 | AndrewBlack | Ok - Rabbi: Have you ever had Sex Priest: have you ever had pork Rabbi: sex is better |
| 10:50.45 | AndrewBlack | or even ipswich |
| 10:51.24 | AndrewBlack | That might be a bit compressed... |
| 10:51.36 | Leeds | indeed |
| 10:51.52 | AndrewBlack | Ok - Rabbi to priest: Have you ever had Sex |
| 10:52.14 | AndrewBlack | Priest: yes - Rabbi, have you ever had pork |
| 10:52.32 | AndrewBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.52 | Leeds | phantom menace was released in the uk in summer 1999 - that was between the series |
| 10:53.00 | Leeds | oops, wrong channel :-) |
| 10:53.01 | SlayerXP | try a fourth time, maybe it'll be funny :) |
| 10:53.57 | Leeds | SlayerXP: nasty |
| 10:59.36 | TimMagic | laters yo |
| 10:59.42 | TimMagic | off to work |
| 11:00.01 | SlayerXP | go arrest some evil terrorists |
| 11:00.22 | SlayerXP | tip: all terrorists have white flags on their cars |
| 11:00.30 | SlayerXP | with a red cross marking on |
| 11:00.55 | SlayerXP | skip the trials, just ship 'em straight to guantanamo |
| 11:05.56 | Leeds | SlayerXP: not true! many of them have red crescents on their white flags... and in the future may have red 'crystals' - i.e. a diamond which is culturally acceptable where neither a cross nor a crescent is |
| 11:06.46 | Leeds | time to shower |
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| 11:50.18 | wethrin | morning |
| 12:08.54 | Leeds | yes, really |
| 12:15.41 | wethrin | Heh |
| 12:55.34 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:55.46 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 12:55.56 | morsing | beer |
| 12:57.46 | rhowe | morsing: pub outside the flat is BBQing tomorrow |
| 12:58.19 | morsing | Is that an invitation? |
| 12:58.51 | wethrin | morsing: BBQ where? |
| 12:58.52 | rhowe | morsing: Sounds good to me, if you fancy a visit to Southwark |
| 12:59.10 | morsing | wethrin: My garden |
| 12:59.26 | wethrin | morsing: Am I invited? |
| 12:59.27 | morsing | rhowe: Your missus coming? |
| 12:59.32 | rhowe | morsing: I still have some wine I bought for your last BBQ which got called off. It's out of date now, but it'll probably be OK |
| 12:59.44 | rhowe | morsing: Might be.. she's in the shower atm |
| 12:59.44 | morsing | wethrin: of course |
| 12:59.46 | wethrin | morsing: Although I can't come :( |
| 12:59.48 | wethrin | which sucks |
| 13:00.43 | rhowe | hm, and the football begins |
| 13:00.47 | morsing | rhowe: Wine goes out of date in a month?! |
| 13:00.59 | morsing | rhowe: Does it? |
| 13:01.01 | rhowe | morsing: It was close to the date when I bought it - reduced |
| 13:01.14 | morsing | rhowe: :) |
| 13:01.31 | morsing | rhowe: You need a pay rise :D |
| 13:01.43 | rhowe | morsing: heh |
| 13:01.51 | rhowe | Only the best for a morsing BBQ :) |
| 13:02.03 | rhowe | So when's this summer thing? |
| 13:02.15 | wethrin | rhowe: 9th July |
| 13:02.18 | wethrin | Bletchley Park |
| 13:02.27 | rhowe | wethrin: Hm.. the day before Jia goes back to China |
| 13:02.57 | rhowe | 1-0 |
| 13:02.59 | wethrin | back for how long? |
| 13:03.04 | rhowe | wethrin: A month or two |
| 13:03.15 | wethrin | Ahh....so you can pretend to be a batchelor again? :) |
| 13:03.23 | rhowe | heh |
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| 13:22.13 | bagpuss | so, what's the story with this Bletchly jaunt? |
| 13:24.33 | rhowe | -ENOMOZRAT |
| 13:25.20 | bagpuss | ah well, I'll try again later :) |
| 13:33.54 | rhowe | heh, digital TV has kid's commentary for the world cup |
| 13:36.48 | bagpuss | "He's arguing with the referree. Naughty boy! I think he's telling the referee to 'fun off', that's a specialist footballing term that means 'well done Ref!'" |
| 13:37.47 | rhowe | kid's commentary being kids commentating on the game |
| 13:38.51 | bagpuss | oh dear |
| 13:39.29 | rhowe | Yeah, it is a bit like that |
| 13:42.45 | morsing | bagpuss?! Robin? |
| 13:43.58 | morsing | bagpuss: What do you want to know about Bletchley? |
| 13:44.58 | bagpuss | morsing: was wondering if I needed to book/get tickets/whatever |
| 13:45.01 | AndrewBlack | anyone know wehre the old london bridge is |
| 13:45.10 | AndrewBlack | someone in america bought it |
| 13:45.16 | bagpuss | Nevada somewhere |
| 13:45.24 | morsing | bagpuss: Nope, just turn up |
| 13:45.28 | bagpuss | cool |
| 13:45.35 | SlayerXP | bagpuss: arizona |
| 13:45.46 | bagpuss | there's a difference? :) |
| 13:46.01 | morsing | AndrewBlack: It's two bridges down from Tower bridge, isn't it? |
| 13:46.01 | SlayerXP | no idea. |
| 13:46.23 | bagpuss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge |
| 13:46.29 | bagpuss | Lake Hasavu apparently |
| 13:47.02 | morsing | bagpuss: Are you Robin then? |
| 13:47.17 | bagpuss | morsing: afraid not. I'm Stephen |
| 13:47.53 | morsing | Ahh... Then you're not on your way over for my BBQ :) |
| 13:48.36 | bagpuss | unfortunately not |
| 13:48.42 | bagpuss | did I miss much? :P |
| 13:51.36 | rhowe | hmm.. not bad. Within a grand, anyhow |
| 13:51.54 | bagpuss | not bad |
| 13:52.43 | rhowe | Considering that included food for 16 people :) |
| 13:53.48 | rhowe | hm, over a grand when you factor in shoes & dress |
| 13:53.59 | bagpuss | worth it? |
| 14:18.25 | rhowe | Indeed |
| 14:18.46 | rhowe | Give it 3 months and my finances should've recovered :) |
| 14:19.20 | rhowe | (by which point I'll be booking tickets for China and Kenya :P) |
| 14:23.33 | SlayerXP | rhowe: where the giraffes live? and the zebra? |
| 14:23.45 | SlayerXP | kenya, kenya, kenya, kenya |
| 14:23.52 | SlayerXP | (forget norway) |
| 14:31.18 | bagpuss | rhowe: why Kenya? |
| 14:32.00 | SlayerXP | bagpuss: because they have lions, and tigers, in kenya |
| 14:32.13 | SlayerXP | Kenya believe it? |
| 14:32.36 | bagpuss | no bears? |
| 14:32.37 | bagpuss | oh my |
| 14:33.43 | SlayerXP | bagpuss: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ |
| 14:34.04 | bagpuss | and I'm pretty sure that Kenya doesn't have tigers...although I might be mistaken |
| 14:59.22 | JAV | hellp |
| 14:59.24 | JAV | o |
| 15:03.27 | JAV | kenya, kenya keeenya |
| 15:03.34 | JAV | great :D |
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| 18:44.54 | Leeds | good morning and goodnight all - and rhowe, you'd better be coming here, and it had better be while I'm here |
| 18:56.10 | George | IT'S HOT |
| 20:39.07 | Erwin | The Savoy Grill restaurant gives some excellent service. The guy in the gents' room turned on the water for me and toom my towel when I was finished drying my hands, then brushed off my suit. If I had stayed there a minute longer he'd probably be shining my shoes. |
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| 20:59.24 | eyore | having taken this laptop apart |
| 21:00.03 | eyore | i'm now starting to wonder if it will be so easy to put back togethor |
| 21:19.42 | wethrin | ha ha :-P |
| 21:19.49 | wethrin | You'll have a few left over |
| 21:39.36 | TimMagic | hi all! |
| 21:39.41 | TimMagic | see the game today? |
| 21:39.57 | z00dax | there was a game today ? |
| 21:41.22 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 21:41.22 | wethrin | There was a boat race |
| 21:41.22 | TimMagic | trinidad and tobago vs sweden |
| 21:41.22 | z00dax | who won ? |
| 21:41.22 | TimMagic | didnt seem fair that sweden had to play two teams at once but hey |
| 21:41.22 | TimMagic | 0-0 |
| 21:41.22 | z00dax | be a long way for sweden to row anyway |
| 21:42.28 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 21:43.38 | wethrin | Yeah, but they're all Vikings :) |
| 21:43.43 | TimMagic | erwin: do you know that the savoy toilet man will do anything if you give him money? |
| 21:44.01 | TimMagic | wethrin: unless they are lapps |
| 21:44.24 | z00dax | vikings, the dudes with the pointy hat's ? |
| 21:44.40 | TimMagic | no z00dax - those are wizards |
| 21:44.49 | z00dax | hagar the horrible! |
| 21:45.16 | George | :'( |
| 21:45.26 | wethrin | Hagar rocks! |
| 21:45.28 | z00dax | George: you are on the right path |
| 21:45.42 | George | ? |
| 21:46.00 | z00dax | i think George could potentially, with the right guidance, grow up to be Hagar! |
| 21:46.22 | wethrin | He doesn't have the right hair |
| 21:46.37 | z00dax | nor the beard |
| 21:51.04 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 21:51.10 | wethrin | George should grow a beard |
| 21:52.17 | George | why? |
| 21:52.36 | z00dax | gotta look the part |
| 21:56.26 | TimMagic | yeah you would make a good hagar george |
| 22:04.59 | SlayerXP | by the time george manages to grow a full beard, redhat might have caught up with debian in terms of package management technology. |
| 22:05.16 | z00dax | SlayerXP: thats got to be a joke |
| 22:05.27 | z00dax | considering debian cant get their act into this decade as yet |
| 22:05.33 | z00dax | right |
| 22:05.38 | z00dax | considering debian is just about all dead |
| 22:05.44 | SlayerXP | sure |
| 22:05.55 | z00dax | whatever is left of it - ubuntu will clear up soon |
| 22:05.55 | SlayerXP | just the last few hundred thouand users desperately clinging on |
| 22:05.57 | z00dax | not to worry |
| 22:06.22 | z00dax | SlayerXP: do you realise that centos is going to have more servers online than debian if the rate of growth of centos stays the same, in under 5 months |
| 22:06.50 | SlayerXP | z00dax: that will be a very special moment for you. |
| 22:06.58 | SlayerXP | based on whos statistics? |
| 22:06.58 | z00dax | SlayerXP: will be indeed :) |
| 22:07.04 | z00dax | SlayerXP: netcraft |
| 22:07.31 | z00dax | was quite nice when we broke the 2 million severs online mark |
| 22:07.57 | SlayerXP | come back when you have a proper package management and policy system. |
| 22:08.00 | wethrin | Who are you, and what have you done with the real SlayerXP? |
| 22:08.03 | wethrin | Oh, there you are. |
| 22:08.06 | SlayerXP | o/ |
| 22:08.21 | z00dax | SlayerXP: compared to what ? braindead dpkg and apt ? |
| 22:08.35 | z00dax | SlayerXP: come back when debian has a proper 64 bit system that actually works |
| 22:08.42 | z00dax | or a multilib handling capability |
| 22:08.47 | SlayerXP | come back when you offer more than 25% of the stuff debian does, out of the box, tested, with full bug and revision history, with a responsible responsive contact. |
| 22:08.49 | z00dax | or a... < long list > |
| 22:09.09 | z00dax | SlayerXP: consider debian does not have a installer that works most of the time, pkg tree is sort of academic |
| 22:09.29 | SlayerXP | z00dax: consider that installing debian is something one does once per physical server, every couple of years at most. |
| 22:09.29 | z00dax | and debian testing is laughable at best |
| 22:09.36 | SlayerXP | z00dax: laughable howso? |
| 22:09.39 | z00dax | drive by packaging policy is more of a hazard than a benefit |
| 22:09.56 | z00dax | SlayerXP: what % of the pkg tree has maintainers that are no longer even using debian ? |
| 22:10.10 | SlayerXP | i give up. what %age? |
| 22:10.11 | z00dax | i remember the 20% figure being spoken about at fosdem this year |
| 22:10.19 | SlayerXP | based on whos survey? |
| 22:10.24 | z00dax | dunno |
| 22:10.35 | z00dax | was a Gentoo V/s Debian chat in the mozilla hacker room |
| 22:10.39 | SlayerXP | so, essentially, you pulled that figure out of your ass :) |
| 22:10.52 | z00dax | so the figure might have been pulled up from nowhere, for all i know |
| 22:10.58 | SlayerXP | "someone I overheard said so, therefore that's a reliable statistic" |
| 22:11.07 | z00dax | i know however that pkg policy is most 'drive by, do something when you have nothing else going on; |
| 22:11.18 | z00dax | SlayerXP: you tell me, how much is it then ? |
| 22:11.24 | z00dax | 18% ? |
| 22:11.26 | SlayerXP | pass. |
| 22:11.27 | z00dax | 40% ? |
| 22:11.30 | SlayerXP | I have no idea either. |
| 22:11.52 | z00dax | run the rpmforge pkg versions against debian stable's tree, for just those 4k pkgs |
| 22:11.53 | SlayerXP | but I don't quote random figures overheard in the middle of a heated debate and present them as facts, either |
| 22:12.06 | TimMagic | is centos worth running? |
| 22:12.16 | TimMagic | and does it run on geriatric boxes? |
| 22:12.16 | z00dax | I am not presenting it as fact, the only fact i am stating is that the pkg policy on debian is laughable |
| 22:12.31 | SlayerXP | o f course not, it's redhat |
| 22:12.45 | SlayerXP | z00dax: that's not a fact, that's your _opinion_ |
| 22:12.46 | z00dax | TimMagic: depends on what you need, on the server end, yes - CentOS, for most people, is worth running |
| 22:12.55 | z00dax | SlayerXP: well, you want the facts ? |
| 22:13.06 | SlayerXP | sure. roll 'em in. |
| 22:13.14 | z00dax | SlayerXP: run the rpmforge pkg Ver-Release against the debian stable tree... you have your facts |
| 22:13.29 | SlayerXP | z00dax: what's one of thos,e exactly? |
| 22:13.55 | SlayerXP | also you said testing was laughable, not stable. |
| 22:14.04 | SlayerXP | stable is another box of miscellaneous swimming things. |
| 22:14.11 | z00dax | i dont consider testing worth anything |
| 22:14.20 | SlayerXP | ditto me and centos |
| 22:14.28 | z00dax | hobby'ists can find a large number of much more apt distro's to run |
| 22:14.28 | SlayerXP | but those are opinions, not facts. |
| 22:14.32 | z00dax | ubuntu / fedora / mandrake |
| 22:14.38 | z00dax | I was only talking about stable |
| 22:15.09 | z00dax | like i said, run the Ver-Rel against rpmforge. debian. see how many security holes on stable are unpatched |
| 22:15.16 | TimMagic | lets not get all frosty - we all know that ubuntu is by far the best distro |
| 22:15.22 | z00dax | i dont consider forcing users to upgrade versions or breaking api to be stable either |
| 22:15.28 | SlayerXP | z00dax: how do I do that? |
| 22:15.32 | z00dax | TimMagic: for some yes, not for all |
| 22:15.43 | TimMagic | stable, well suppoorted, well updated, free! |
| 22:15.44 | z00dax | SlayerXP: good point. |
| 22:16.09 | z00dax | SlayerXP: i suppose rpm --qf "%{name}-%{version}\n" -qp *.rpm |
| 22:16.16 | SlayerXP | I don't have rpm |
| 22:16.20 | z00dax | that will give you the Name of pkg, ver, release |
| 22:16.32 | SlayerXP | nor do I have any rpm packages to run it against |
| 22:16.34 | z00dax | you could use a bit reader and scan the rpm headers in those files then ? |
| 22:16.43 | z00dax | yes, you get the rpm's at rpmforge :) |
| 22:16.51 | SlayerXP | why on earth would I want to do that? |
| 22:17.04 | z00dax | cause you wanted to run the comparisons to get your facts |
| 22:17.09 | z00dax | or do you not want those ? |
| 22:17.19 | SlayerXP | this is your argument, presents facts and methodologies that I can repeat myself if I don't believe you. |
| 22:17.34 | z00dax | you contradict yourself |
| 22:17.39 | z00dax | i presented the methodology |
| 22:17.48 | z00dax | you discarded it |
| 22:17.57 | SlayerXP | because it's not a complete methodology |
| 22:18.11 | SlayerXP | you must have reported experiments at school? |
| 22:18.15 | z00dax | define: complete |
| 22:18.45 | z00dax | sure, but if i didnt have a tool, i didnt hesitate to grab it off the shelf |
| 22:18.45 | SlayerXP | "take a bunsen burner, a tripod, gauze and a 200ml beaker. |
| 22:19.01 | z00dax | I never refused to do the experiment cause i could nt be bothered to reach out for the tool |
| 22:19.13 | SlayerXP | place 100ml of distilled water into the beaker and place over the bunsen burner" |
| 22:19.40 | z00dax | ah, hmm. |
| 22:19.49 | SlayerXP | you've gone from "I can prove water boils at 100c" to "there! look! it's boiling at 100c" without doing any of the stuff inbetween |
| 22:19.57 | z00dax | I would'nt want to sound patronising. I considered you knew what a package is |
| 22:20.00 | TimMagic | why are you talking about chemistry? a bit ot no? |
| 22:20.16 | SlayerXP | give me something I can do myself that proves your argument |
| 22:20.16 | z00dax | I hated chemistry :( |
| 22:20.23 | SlayerXP | it's called empirical evidence |
| 22:20.34 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 22:20.37 | z00dax | SlayerXP: ok, give me a secon, let me url |
| 22:20.49 | TimMagic | but maybe its mathmatical proof |
| 22:21.06 | TimMagic | pi = 3.14 |
| 22:21.13 | TimMagic | 22/7 = 3.14 |
| 22:21.19 | TimMagic | ergo pi = 22/7 |
| 22:21.26 | TimMagic | ish |
| 22:21.31 | SlayerXP | except 22/7 doesn't equal 3.14 |
| 22:21.34 | SlayerXP | but nice try :) |
| 22:21.36 | TimMagic | you dont need to do anything |
| 22:21.42 | TimMagic | it just works |
| 22:21.50 | TimMagic | ibot 22/7 |
| 22:21.52 | ibot | 3.142857142857 |
| 22:22.07 | SlayerXP | that's wrong, too |
| 22:22.18 | SlayerXP | lots more numbers after that 7 |
| 22:23.05 | SlayerXP | z00dax: it past midnight here. but I would _really_ like to see you prove your argument. mail me the details. |
| 22:23.06 | TimMagic | its close enough to prove the point |
| 22:23.19 | z00dax | SlayerXP: sure, willdo |
| 22:23.39 | z00dax | SlayerXP: before you go - can you show me a url for a .deb tree in stable ? |
| 22:23.43 | TimMagic | we all know that pi = 3.14159265358979323 |
| 22:23.57 | SlayerXP | z00dax: there's little point doing a comparison to stable |
| 22:24.13 | SlayerXP | unless you're purely talking bug/security fixes. |
| 22:24.13 | z00dax | why ? isnt that what everyone uses ? |
| 22:24.19 | z00dax | comparing to rawhide is pointless |
| 22:24.30 | z00dax | there is so much upstream at RH that debian has no chance whatsoever |
| 22:24.47 | TimMagic | or 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679 |
| 22:24.47 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.47 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.47 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.47 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.05 | z00dax | eg. gcc / glibc / kernel / selinux - is mostly fixed up at RH anyway |
| 22:25.12 | z00dax | well, RH and SuSE to some extent. |
| 22:25.12 | SlayerXP | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ |
| 22:25.35 | SlayerXP | pool contains the packages dists contains the metadata |
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| 22:26.38 | wethrin | Too much pi! |
| 22:26.40 | z00dax | :) |
| 22:26.43 | TimMagic | quoi? |
| 22:26.46 | TimMagic | lol i know |
| 22:27.00 | TimMagic | i had it to 4million decimal places |
| 22:27.02 | z00dax | SlayerXP: in dists - what dir am i looking at ? |
| 22:27.09 | TimMagic | may have been slightly excessive |
| 22:27.13 | SlayerXP | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/ |
| 22:27.17 | SlayerXP | for stable |
| 22:27.34 | z00dax | got it, thanks |
| 22:28.20 | wethrin | ~pi |
| 22:28.22 | ibot | i heard pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 22:29.31 | SlayerXP | z00dax: your survey should perhaps also include where centos has a package available, and debian doesn't, and vice versa. |
| 22:29.57 | SlayerXP | and now I'm really going to bed |
| 22:29.57 | TimMagic | thanks ibot! better than my attempt :-S |
| 22:29.58 | z00dax | SlayerXP: how would that effect anything ? |
| 22:30.10 | SlayerXP | z00dax: it would show a comparative scale |
| 22:30.13 | z00dax | SlayerXP: specially issues such as security issues etc |
| 22:30.28 | z00dax | SlayerXP: ok, will include that as one of the scales. I am sure i can come up with a few more scales too |
| 22:30.50 | SlayerXP | if debian has two packages in total, and centos has 100, it's fair that centos could have more packages with outstanding bugs |
| 22:31.04 | z00dax | centos has perhaps 6k pkgs |
| 22:31.11 | z00dax | i am sure debian does a lot more. |
| 22:31.18 | SlayerXP | shannon:~# apt-cache stats |
| 22:31.18 | SlayerXP | Total package names : 22052 (882k) |
| 22:31.18 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.32 | z00dax | SlayerXP: the aim is to only compare pkgs available on both sides :) |
| 22:31.37 | SlayerXP | indeed. |
| 22:31.54 | SlayerXP | hence my suggestion to indicate where packages are available, or not. |
| 22:32.13 | z00dax | how does popularity scale work for debian ? cd-1 has most used, cd-2 next most used. etc ? |
| 22:32.28 | SlayerXP | what's a popularity scale? |
| 22:32.49 | z00dax | most used -> least used |
| 22:32.52 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 22:32.53 | SlayerXP | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 22:33.04 | SlayerXP | bed. really. really. & |
| 22:33.19 | wethrin | nn |
| 22:33.25 | z00dax | nite |
| 22:33.55 | TimMagic | nn |
| 22:35.26 | TimMagic | so what did everyone do today? |
| 22:35.41 | z00dax | i went to ipswitch and had some amazing steak |
| 22:35.49 | TimMagic | good oh |
| 22:35.52 | wethrin | I wandered around the Durham Regatta and Classic Car show |
| 22:35.57 | z00dax | hitcham, if you want to know exactly where |
| 22:36.09 | TimMagic | zoodax: worth enduring the family for? |
| 22:36.09 | z00dax | wethrin: pictures ? |
| 22:36.14 | z00dax | TimMagic: yes yes yes |
| 22:36.22 | TimMagic | wethrin: exciting |
| 22:36.27 | wethrin | z00dax: Yes, but still on my camera |
| 22:36.51 | TimMagic | well do let us know when they arent on the camera any more |
| 22:36.51 | z00dax | humm that popcorn side is actually quite a good resource |
| 22:40.04 | rhowe | bagpuss: Kenya because, well, that's where my ex flatmate is from |
| 22:40.12 | rhowe | bagpuss: and, it's more interesting than Birmingham |
| 22:40.23 | z00dax | rhowe: whats with kenya ? |
| 22:40.32 | wethrin | I may even notify people here |
| 22:41.25 | rhowe | z00dax: I've been invited to a wedding in Nairobi |
| 22:42.12 | bagpuss | *are* there actually tigers in Kenya? |
| 22:42.17 | bagpuss | I thought they were in Asia |
| 22:42.44 | z00dax | rhowe: go for it - i can imagine its going to be very interesting |
| 22:42.47 | rhowe | Hm, tigers are more a jungle creature than a plains one, aren't they? |
| 22:42.55 | bagpuss | I thought so |
| 22:43.01 | z00dax | there are jungles in the plains |
| 22:43.07 | rhowe | z00dax: It's around the same time as when I should be going to China to meet the wife's family |
| 22:43.08 | wethrin | You're only supposed to release the tiger if someone comes at you with an apricot |
| 22:43.29 | z00dax | rhowe: the wife's family are not going anywhere are they |
| 22:43.50 | bagpuss | rhowe: have them come meet you! |
| 22:43.51 | z00dax | :) |
| 22:44.16 | rhowe | z00dax: True |
| 22:44.26 | rhowe | z00dax: However, if not then, it'd have to be the following summer |
| 22:44.49 | z00dax | rhowe: even better :) |
| 22:45.25 | rhowe | hmm.. why isn't gimp-ufraw working.. |
| 22:46.08 | TimMagic | there are some random topics |
| 22:46.14 | TimMagic | in here sometimes |
| 22:52.00 | rhowe | heh, and Tesco essentially advertising their delivery service as a way to get booze without going anywhere |
| 22:52.16 | hali | got to love it |
| 22:53.53 | TimMagic | lol true |
| 22:53.55 | hali | im gonna try that home delivery service i think.. looks quite convenient if they can deliver when i'm home |
| 22:54.26 | hali | i hope they are not like dhl "yes, we will deliver sometime on tuesday between 04.30am and 09.30pm" |
| 22:56.17 | TimMagic | or some time in the morning |
| 22:56.34 | TimMagic | if u get up early they come at 1158 |
| 22:56.50 | TimMagic | if u stay in bed they come at 0831 |
| 22:56.54 | TimMagic | grr |
| 22:57.00 | TimMagic | not cool |
| 22:58.13 | hali | the swedish equivalent of royal mail has got evening delivery as an option for all deliveries... and they specify a 1 hour time frame.. |
| 22:59.01 | TimMagic | jag vet inte att du ar svenka |
| 22:59.09 | TimMagic | or ... svenska ar, |
| 22:59.13 | TimMagic | i can |
| 22:59.20 | TimMagic | t remember |
| 22:59.28 | TimMagic | (or type seemingly!) |
| 22:59.47 | TimMagic | s/svenka/svenska/ |
| 22:59.50 | hali | hehe.. svensk .. svenska suggest female.. other than that you are 100% correct :) |
| 23:00.46 | TimMagic | wot do i know? i studied norsk! |
| 23:02.29 | z00dax | I like Danish girls |
| 23:03.11 | TimMagic | i like danish bacon |
| 23:03.19 | TimMagic | and my swedish made bed |
| 23:03.20 | hali | i like most girls and most kinds of bacon :) |
| 23:03.27 | TimMagic | which i am going to get into |
| 23:04.09 | z00dax | TimMagic: same to you, whatever that meant |
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| 23:39.03 | z00dax | AndrewBlack: |