| 00:01.04 | George | YAY FOR ICECREAM |
| 00:25.40 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 00:25.44 | Leeds | yes? |
| 00:27.24 | morsing | Can I ask about something, not really advice but questioning the British way of doing something? |
| 00:27.35 | Leeds | you can ask... |
| 00:28.35 | morsing | I was at a friends house earlier. He and his wife have lived there for a year now and are happy and he's been telling me that they're definately staying there |
| 00:28.49 | Leeds | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2221574,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=Britain - strangely enough, the police are pissed off that they can't break off-the-shelf encryption used by 'terrorists and paedophiles' |
| 00:29.32 | morsing | Now, I wondered down into their lounge while he was upstair and found his wife looking at houses for sale in the newspaper which confused me a bit |
| 00:29.46 | Leeds | from a politician: "In essence, the failure to provide the encryption key is an admission of guilt." |
| 00:30.07 | morsing | When quizzing her about this I was told something that absolutely shocked me |
| 00:30.55 | morsing | Apparently her parents have told her that they're moving in with them when they retire in a few years, and this includes her sister whom she doesn't even like |
| 00:31.21 | morsing | She went on to tell me how this was "normal" because of the house prices |
| 00:31.52 | Leeds | nah, I don't think that's normal |
| 00:31.57 | morsing | I simply cannot believe this. If my parents told me that, and I get along fine with them, I would kill either them or myself |
| 00:32.21 | Leeds | well, parents *maybe* if they're in a position where there's no way they can support themselves |
| 00:32.31 | morsing | I can't believe she was so casual about something that's going to significantly affect the next 30-40 years of their lives |
| 00:32.44 | morsing | Leeds: Her parents can! |
| 00:32.58 | Leeds | 30-40 years? they'll kill 'em off (or drive them off) in 5! :-) |
| 00:33.04 | morsing | They have owned their house for thirty years and he has a good pension |
| 00:33.19 | Leeds | then no, there's no way that's normal to me |
| 00:33.24 | morsing | Finances just cannot be the reason |
| 00:33.38 | morsing | Leeds: I'm in a bit of a dilemma |
| 00:34.08 | Leeds | why? |
| 00:34.24 | morsing | My friend wasn't here when I spoke to her about this but I feel so sad for him if he has no say in this. I don't know if he's even aware |
| 00:34.40 | morsing | Although he *must* be! THey're married for gods sake |
| 00:35.09 | morsing | Leeds: Would I be completely out of order to even ask him about this one-to-one? |
| 00:35.32 | Leeds | obviously that depends on how close a friend you are with him |
| 00:35.49 | morsing | *very* close with both of them. Not just him |
| 00:36.02 | morsing | I spend 3-4 evenings a week with them |
| 00:36.25 | Leeds | I can't tell you if it's out of order or not - that's something only you know |
| 00:36.31 | morsing | I can't even fall asleep because this is now on my mind! |
| 00:37.16 | Leeds | I wouldn't let it affect you that much - nothing is likely to change in hte next few days... get some sleep! |
| 00:37.23 | morsing | And it sounded like she was accepting moving to a bigger, more expensive house and they would live with them for free! |
| 00:37.53 | morsing | Leeds: It's not the change, it's not my life it's theirs. I'm just stunned beyond belief |
| 00:38.13 | Leeds | I would guess that you've almost certainly not got the entire story |
| 00:39.09 | morsing | Well, entire story of what? I know her parents and sister as well. |
| 00:39.33 | morsing | I just think this will be on my mind until I talk to him about it |
| 00:39.43 | Leeds | so, talk to him... tomorrow |
| 00:39.57 | morsing | He won't be upset, but she has got a bit of a temper |
| 00:40.11 | Leeds | I mean that there might be some bigger plan - e.g. buying two flats next to each other... |
| 00:40.12 | morsing | Leeds: It's not really any of my business :) |
| 00:40.33 | Leeds | if you're that close a friend and it's bothering you, it's your business |
| 00:41.54 | Leeds | do they own their current place or are they renting? |
| 00:42.37 | morsing | They have owned their houses for the last 4 years |
| 00:44.38 | Leeds | "so, John, I hear your mother-in-law and sister-in-law are planning to move in on your pad and eat you out of house and home. what's with that?" |
| 00:45.22 | Leeds | it might be possible to be a little more tactful than that |
| 00:48.51 | morsing | Leeds: I'll try :-) |
| 00:49.11 | morsing | Leeds: Sorry, I'm a bit sensitive sometimes and overreact about things |
| 00:49.20 | Leeds | true :-P |
| 00:49.35 | morsing | I just couldn't imagine my life if my parents suddenly told me they were moving in |
| 00:49.46 | morsing | Leeds: Hey - I took ofeence at that remark :-P |
| 00:50.13 | morsing | And his wife can be a bit aggressive and pushy sometimes |
| 00:50.45 | Leeds | bitch |
| 00:50.57 | Leeds | wives can be like that, as rhowe will well know by now |
| 00:51.04 | morsing | Leeds: She's cool :) You just need to be on her side |
| 00:51.27 | Leeds | so she's aggressive and pushy, but also cool |
| 00:52.00 | morsing | Leeds: Yes |
| 00:52.02 | morsing | :) |
| 00:56.20 | morsing | Ok, I'm going to attempt going to bed now |
| 00:56.39 | morsing | Leeds: Much appreciated talking to you. Thanks for listening |
| 01:00.06 | Leeds | no worries... I'm going to work now... |
| 01:00.25 | morsing | Have a nice day |
| 01:00.57 | Leeds | oh, and for the record, my very variable internet connection is now sane - 0% packet loss and averaging 35ms to a host in Hong Kong |
| 01:01.14 | morsing | Nice |
| 01:01.29 | Leeds | last night it his 50% loss and average over 900ms - it's very very variable |
| 01:01.36 | Leeds | anyway, gone... |
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| 01:59.17 | AndrewBlack | Hi Leeds |
| 02:00.13 | AndrewBlack | Insomnia time! I don't sleep well, esp in the hot weather. Call me a complainer :-) |
| 02:06.17 | Leeds | morning |
| 04:42.16 | Leeds | am I a bad person because I can't read the word Nuremberg without seeing either Rallies or Trials following it? |
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| 07:10.48 | Leeds | wow, just found valid email in my caught-spam folder... |
| 07:13.03 | Leeds | I think that's the first real false positive I've seen in a long long time |
| 07:32.34 | Leeds | Lord Voldemort is apparently working at Sun Labs |
| 07:40.47 | morsing | When did I leave? |
| 07:41.58 | morsing | Leeds: Did I get split? |
| 07:43.12 | hali | morsing: No route to host at 05:54 |
| 07:43.53 | Leeds | you bounced in and out about 3 hours ago |
| 07:44.11 | Leeds | or rather out and in |
| 07:47.26 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 07:47.40 | morsing | Hey, check this out: (A bit dark, sorry) |
| 07:47.41 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Note.jpg |
| 07:48.04 | Leeds | and? |
| 07:48.52 | morsing | Leeds: :) Just funny. Should I accept? |
| 07:49.49 | Leeds | do you know Gerry? |
| 07:53.04 | morsing | Gerry? No. Why? Who is he? |
| 07:53.57 | Leeds | the person whose phone number you just posted on the web for the world to see |
| 07:54.27 | morsing | Leeds: Yes, fun isn't it :) |
| 07:55.18 | Leeds | uh... |
| 07:57.16 | morsing | Leeds: Can I post your number as well? |
| 07:57.25 | Leeds | okay, I officially don't like being in an environment where a) I can't wear headphones and b) I'm sitting with my back to an open-plan office, so everyone can see what's on my screen at all times |
| 07:57.44 | Leeds | no, but then I haven't asked to borrow your car |
| 07:58.07 | Cope | moin |
| 07:58.13 | morsing | Cope! |
| 07:58.18 | Leeds | Cope |
| 07:58.27 | Cope | hello chums |
| 07:58.51 | Cope | I didn't get my offer letter this morning! |
| 07:58.59 | Leeds | from? |
| 07:59.04 | Cope | maybe it will come tomorrow? or by recorded delivery? |
| 07:59.12 | Cope | Leeds: new job - De La Rue |
| 07:59.14 | Leeds | ah |
| 08:02.03 | Leeds | so, I apparently have 7.5 days of holiday to use before the end of August |
| 08:04.01 | morsing | Leeds: Better? |
| 08:05.16 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 08:05.26 | Leeds | morsing: what? |
| 08:06.27 | morsing | Leeds: http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Note.jpg |
| 08:07.15 | morsing | Leeds?! |
| 08:07.19 | Leeds | no! I wasn't complaining - just asking if you knew him |
| 08:10.12 | morsing | Leeds: Well, you were right. Couldn't just leave it there. |
| 08:10.16 | morsing | I love you Leeds |
| 08:10.23 | Leeds | uh, thanks dude :-) |
| 08:10.27 | morsing | :D |
| 08:11.51 | morsing | ibot wake mozrat and SlayerXP |
| 08:11.54 | ibot | mozrat and SlayerXP: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:12.49 | morsing | Leeds: Hmm... The channel stats page is showing me saying something that shouldn't be on the Internet either |
| 08:23.25 | Cope | oh? |
| 08:24.09 | morsing | Cope? |
| 08:28.52 | Leeds | oops, so it does... on a logged channel and all |
| 08:29.35 | Leeds | for that matter, rhowe's last quote is very dodgy |
| 08:30.19 | Leeds | and Cope apparently doesn't put in a whole week's work |
| 08:32.14 | Cope | lol |
| 08:33.39 | Cope | jan 2006?! |
| 08:34.26 | Leeds | wrong stats, methinks |
| 08:48.24 | morsing | Check it! |
| 08:59.03 | morsing | 0.00 sec, matched 17566 (Avis Pearl - URL PEARL-Login AVI10APP02) |
| 08:59.11 | morsing | Wow! Stupid mouse! |
| 09:00.07 | Leeds | really? |
| 09:02.54 | Leeds | and it seems to work as well, which is always a nice suprise with mplayer |
| 09:12.49 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:12.50 | morsing | beer |
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| 09:15.10 | wethrin | hello |
| 09:16.02 | Leeds | hmm... (extremely) brief history of the Balkans to a Chinese colleague to explain why a little World Cup freebie from 7-11 with Serbia & Montenegro on it is slightly amusing |
| 09:17.26 | Leeds | and http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/2006/06/small-followup_11.html is interesting from an author |
| 09:18.22 | TimMagic | hey everyone! |
| 09:18.29 | Leeds | hey Dr. Tim |
| 09:19.17 | TimMagic | ooh promotion! thanks leeds |
| 09:19.19 | TimMagic | you ok? |
| 09:19.40 | Leeds | not bad... bored and tired as ever at the end of the 'work' day |
| 09:20.05 | Leeds | you? |
| 09:20.11 | TimMagic | same |
| 09:20.24 | Leeds | but... it's morning there... |
| 09:20.25 | TimMagic | but s/end/start/ |
| 09:20.44 | Leeds | if you're tired and bored at the start of the day, it's not good |
| 09:20.55 | TimMagic | this weird thing always happens |
| 09:20.57 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 09:21.06 | Leeds | morsing: don't call wethrin a weird thing |
| 09:21.15 | wethrin | But it's true! |
| 09:21.21 | morsing | beer |
| 09:21.25 | TimMagic | i come off days and onto lates |
| 09:21.37 | TimMagic | then wake up hyper early on my first rest day |
| 09:22.33 | Leeds | ah... I only have lates when there is much alcohol involved |
| 09:22.52 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 09:23.00 | TimMagic | 9-5'ers! |
| 09:23.18 | Leeds | more like 9:30-6:30 |
| 09:29.31 | TimMagic | ok |
| 09:29.45 | TimMagic | 13-23'er!!! |
| 09:48.25 | TimMagic | la la la |
| 09:48.48 | TimMagic | still at work leeds? |
| 09:53.05 | Leeds | yeah |
| 09:53.10 | Leeds | well, still at the office |
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| 10:17.28 | Leeds | hometime! |
| 10:32.50 | TimMagic | right |
| 10:33.08 | TimMagic | can i be bothered to make up the 43 lines to overtake morsing? |
| 10:33.18 | TimMagic | or shall i let it unfold over time? |
| 10:33.42 | SlayerXP | TimMagic: just cut and paste a few C programs into the channel |
| 10:47.18 | pie_ | SlayerXP, 43 lines! A *few* C programs?! |
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| 10:54.33 | Leeds | Hong Kong tax return has come through |
| 10:55.26 | Leeds | makes it very very obvious that the UK tax people have no idea what they're doing |
| 10:56.12 | SlayerXP | the UK has one of the best tax collection records in the world |
| 10:57.23 | Leeds | there are only three significant things taxed here, for individuals: salary, income from property, and income from companies you own |
| 10:57.41 | Leeds | the entire tax return is 4 sides, plus one appendix |
| 10:59.29 | Leeds | I have to fill in about one side of A4 - and it's only that much because the company pays my rent |
| 11:00.31 | George | my tutor at school was telling me about an acronym.. "FILTH".. which describes ex-pats in HK |
| 11:00.38 | George | "Failed In London, Try Hong Kong" |
| 11:00.42 | George | lol |
| 11:00.57 | Leeds | yup, well-known |
| 11:01.33 | George | lol |
| 11:01.37 | George | never heard it before |
| 11:01.43 | Leeds | if nothing else, I'd far prefer to pay tax here than there |
| 11:02.11 | George | lol |
| 11:02.16 | George | here being HK? |
| 11:03.05 | Leeds | salary tax is either a flat 16% or on a scale from 2% to 20% - yes, here being HK, where I am now, hence the word 'here' |
| 11:56.24 | morsing | http://www.openpa.net/systems/images/k-class_spu.jpg |
| 11:56.36 | morsing | SlayerXP: Did you find it? |
| 11:56.53 | SlayerXP | morsing: "it"? |
| 11:57.14 | morsing | Stats page |
| 11:57.21 | SlayerXP | err no |
| 11:59.33 | morsing | http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ |
| 12:02.07 | SlayerXP | ta |
| 12:02.10 | SlayerXP | 1 |
| 12:02.11 | SlayerXP | 2 |
| 12:02.11 | SlayerXP | 3 |
| 12:02.11 | SlayerXP | 4 |
| 12:02.11 | SlayerXP | 5 |
| 12:02.12 | SlayerXP | 6 |
| 12:02.14 | SlayerXP | 7 |
| 12:02.16 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 12:03.04 | Cope | :) |
| 12:03.58 | Cope | well |
| 12:03.59 | Cope | I |
| 12:04.00 | Cope | think |
| 12:04.01 | Cope | it |
| 12:04.03 | Cope | is |
| 12:04.06 | Cope | rather |
| 12:04.08 | Cope | too |
| 12:04.11 | Cope | soon |
| 12:04.14 | Cope | to give |
| 12:04.16 | Cope | accurate |
| 12:04.19 | Cope | figures |
| 12:04.24 | Cope | especially |
| 12:04.25 | Cope | as |
| 12:04.26 | Cope | I |
| 12:04.26 | Cope | h |
| 12:04.29 | Cope | a |
| 12:04.31 | Cope | v |
| 12:04.34 | Cope | e |
| 12:04.37 | Cope | n |
| 12:04.39 | Cope | o |
| 12:04.42 | Cope | t |
| 12:04.44 | Cope | e |
| 12:04.47 | Cope | d |
| 12:04.49 | Cope | TimMagic cheats |
| 12:05.03 | Cope | i slipped down the original chart... it used to be consistently me, dan and richard |
| 12:05.09 | Cope | in the top 3 |
| 12:05.17 | Cope | maybe I got conscientious about work? |
| 12:05.21 | Cope | *chortle* |
| 12:06.58 | wethrin | Work? :) |
| 12:09.00 | wethrin | Gah. "Doing research is like painting; each new insight contributes to an emerging picture". Clearly some time-wasting social "scientist" has been writing this survey |
| 12:17.15 | Cope | heh |
| 12:18.37 | wethrin | Or "If research is properly conducted then contradictory research findings will never occur" |
| 12:19.11 | wethrin | "When qualified people do research the results are always unbiased". Err, no. If they're qualified, they know exactly *how* to bias the results |
| 12:22.46 | Cope | :) |
| 12:24.13 | Cope | sounds very fishy indeed |
| 12:24.31 | Cope | if research is conducted properly, contradictory research findings should be expected |
| 12:24.47 | wethrin | The quotes were from the survey I'm filling in |
| 12:24.57 | wethrin | 'research student perceptions of research work' |
| 12:25.01 | Cope | wethrin: I nearly have a new job |
| 12:25.05 | wethrin | Ooh! YAy! |
| 12:25.06 | wethrin | Where? |
| 12:25.09 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 12:25.15 | Cope | basingstoke |
| 12:25.20 | wethrin | Arrrr! |
| 12:25.26 | wethrin | Are you allowed to say more? |
| 12:25.30 | wethrin | Which company? Doing what? |
| 12:26.00 | Cope | Senior UNIX admin (AIX and Linux) with 'junior' DBA activities on the side. |
| 12:26.13 | wethrin | Mmmm....AIX </morsing> |
| 12:26.19 | Cope | Company is De La Rue - world's largest security printer. |
| 12:26.30 | wethrin | A giant printer? :) |
| 12:26.37 | Cope | lol |
| 12:26.53 | wethrin | So no more Solaris for you? |
| 12:27.13 | Cope | :( |
| 12:27.22 | Cope | I have my own solaris machines though |
| 12:27.32 | Cope | I love solaris... will miss it. |
| 12:28.12 | morsing | beer |
| 12:28.13 | wethrin | Aww well |
| 12:28.19 | wethrin | Maybe you can replace the Linux machines with Solaris |
| 12:28.20 | Cope | i had beer at lunchtime |
| 12:28.24 | wethrin | I didn't |
| 12:28.44 | morsing | wethrin: Yes you did |
| 12:28.59 | morsing | Oh no you're right. You didn't |
| 12:29.01 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:29.04 | wethrin | I had some on Friday |
| 12:32.21 | wethrin | (quid est veritas?) |
| 12:32.21 | Cope | lol |
| 12:32.44 | Cope | fuck - bargain! we pay $$$ for vxvm and vxcs licenses |
| 12:32.51 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:33.20 | wethrin | I know that a scholarly fellow such as Cope knows exactly what I said |
| 12:33.43 | Cope | wethrin: I have a SO from the other place... |
| 12:34.02 | wethrin | Ooh? Since when? |
| 12:34.08 | Cope | about 3 weeks |
| 12:34.12 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 12:34.15 | Cope | :D |
| 12:34.33 | Cope | She's a geek too! :) |
| 12:34.42 | wethrin | Why haven't you dragged her onto IRC, then? :) |
| 12:35.06 | Cope | haha! because she is busy enough already - and if I destroyed her productivity, that might not bode well for the future |
| 12:35.14 | wethrin | Ahh, well |
| 12:37.08 | wethrin | sigh. "research is about searching for the truth". I refer the survey-writer to my comment of 13:22 |
| 12:38.05 | wethrin | Cope: What does this mean: "In terms of your current research, can you please describe in one sentence what your 'research method' is in process terms; that is in terms of what you are actually doing"? |
| 12:38.55 | Cope | wethrin: what is your methodology - ie what are you doing to test your hypotheses |
| 12:39.18 | wethrin | So basically, "State in one sentence how you conduct your research" |
| 12:39.29 | wethrin | Bloody hippies^Wsocial scientists |
| 12:39.39 | Cope | :) |
| 12:39.49 | Cope | they've never been to a pub meet with me |
| 12:39.52 | wethrin | So, 'lab work', then |
| 12:39.57 | Cope | i wouldn't call them at all social |
| 12:40.00 | Cope | cnuts |
| 12:40.03 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:40.05 | wethrin | Quite |
| 12:40.10 | wethrin | I wouldn't call them scientists |
| 12:40.26 | wethrin | My audio stream's broken |
| 12:40.45 | Cope | bother |
| 12:41.11 | Cope | where's angelchild |
| 12:41.19 | wethrin | I don't think it's AC's fault |
| 12:41.23 | Cope | or whatever pseudonymn is currently being employed |
| 12:43.28 | Cope | Vicar Ah, Mr Husband ... this is Mr Kirkham, one of my parishioners, this is Mr Husband of the British Sherry Corporation... |
| 12:43.31 | Cope | Kirkham Look, look, perhaps I'd better come back later... |
| 12:43.34 | Cope | Vicar No, no ... no do stay here. Have a sherry... you won't be long will you, Husband? |
| 12:43.40 | Cope | fucketty fuck fuck fuck bitch and stuff |
| 12:44.30 | wethrin | Monty Python++ |
| 12:46.22 | Cope | There's a blessed equity in the English social system that ensures the public-school man against starvation. One goes through four or five years of perfect hell at n age when life is bound to be hell, anyway, and after that the social system never let's one down. |
| 12:46.38 | Cope | *lets* |
| 12:47.02 | Cope | and I wonder if 'ensures' should carry a [sic] after it. |
| 13:08.03 | antiphase | Only if it was spelt incorrectly ;) |
| 13:08.36 | wethrin | insures wouldn't really make sense there |
| 14:00.13 | George | Cope: THE PROFANITY. MY EYES |
| 14:15.40 | Cope | heh |
| 14:37.58 | Leeds | foo |
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| 14:39.30 | keithlard | hola tios :) |
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| 14:41.17 | keithlard | how's it going |
| 14:41.40 | Cope | yo keithlard |
| 14:41.46 | pie_ | Aaaah, he said it! |
| 14:42.02 | pie_ | Aaaah, I said it! |
| 14:42.11 | pie_ | Aaaah, I said it again! |
| 14:42.13 | Leeds | evening pie_ |
| 14:42.15 | Cope | :D |
| 14:42.17 | Cope | hello angelchild |
| 14:42.20 | pie_ | afternoon! |
| 14:42.21 | Cope | how are you feet? |
| 14:43.39 | wethrin | PIE! |
| 14:43.42 | angelchild | my feet are mostly fine, but i pulled my hamstring yesterday warming up for a football competition (though I had some fun hobbling up and down the line shouting encouragement at my team so it wasn't that bad... plus it got me outside for a bit :)) |
| 14:45.05 | George | it's PI |
| 14:45.08 | George | ibot: pi |
| 14:45.12 | ibot | it has been said that pi is ... |
| 14:45.18 | George | wtf |
| 14:45.20 | angelchild | 3.14etc |
| 14:45.31 | wethrin | Huh? pi's been truncated |
| 14:45.32 | George | ibot: no, pi is 3.14159265358979 |
| 14:45.33 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, George |
| 14:45.36 | George | wtf |
| 14:45.38 | George | asshole |
| 14:45.38 | wethrin | And it was my favourite integer, too |
| 14:45.39 | George | ibot pi |
| 14:45.40 | ibot | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 14:45.43 | George | ah |
| 14:45.44 | George | better |
| 14:47.56 | pie_ | ibot: pi |
| 14:47.58 | ibot | pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 14:48.09 | pie_ | Hmmm. |
| 14:49.35 | angelchild | ibot: pi |
| 14:49.36 | ibot | i heard pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 14:49.41 | pie_ | ibot pie |
| 14:53.31 | wethrin | Nikon D50++, and a touch under £400 inc. lens |
| 14:56.56 | keithlard | it's hot |
| 14:57.24 | keithlard | thanks |
| 14:57.56 | Cope | keithlard: DLR job confirmed! |
| 14:57.59 | keithlard | it's too hot for human contact! |
| 14:58.06 | keithlard | yaay :) |
| 15:02.10 | wethrin | Cope: Docklands Light Railway? |
| 15:03.05 | keithlard | the 350d is great, if you buy it a decent lens :) |
| 15:03.22 | Cope | no.. the company with the embarrasing non-firefox-compliant webpage |
| 15:06.47 | pie_ | wethrin: any links? |
| 15:06.56 | pie_ | reviews etc.? |
| 15:07.11 | *** join/#gllug gethoper1_ (n=chatzill@80-42-174-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 15:12.24 | keithlard | any recommendations on cpu fans? |
| 15:13.16 | pie_ | keithlard, if you buy a decent lens? What is wrong with the one you get with it? |
| 15:14.03 | morsing | Woo |
| 15:16.51 | keithlard | nothing wrong exactly, it's perfectly serviceable |
| 15:18.22 | pie_ | still worth the money even if you don't change the lens? |
| 15:18.48 | keithlard | oh yes, definitely - it's a fine camera |
| 15:20.28 | keithlard | kit lenses generally are not anything to write home about |
| 15:21.21 | pie_ | What would I notice if I upgraded the lens after buying the camera? (academic, I can't afford that) |
| 15:21.51 | keithlard | well because it takes standard Canon lenses you can take advantage of the big second-hand market and pick up decent glass quite cheaply |
| 15:22.24 | pie_ | Is there a difference between standard lenses and ones for digital SLRs? |
| 15:23.10 | keithlard | one important thing is aperture - the kit lens is 5.4 which is average to poor. it means you can't take usable photos except in good strong light. i have a sigma 30mm which goes up to 1.4 - it takes great pictures even in virtual darkness |
| 15:24.30 | keithlard | zoom lenses generally are not as high quality as a fixed (prime) lens of a similar spec |
| 15:24.33 | pie_ | I realy need to learn how to use cameras properly. Any idea if there are any resources available? |
| 15:24.38 | pie_ | websites that is. |
| 15:24.59 | keithlard | there is a difference - most digital sensors are smaller than a standard 35mm film frame, so the extra image area of a 35mm lens is wasted, but otherwise it's not a problem |
| 15:24.59 | pie_ | I have never really used zoom. |
| 15:25.56 | keithlard | there is a really good site actually, phillip greenspun's: http://philip.greenspun.com/photography/ |
| 15:26.51 | pie_ | cool, thanks, I will take a look |
| 15:27.54 | keithlard | i got a nice sigma 75-200 just recently cos i got interested in taking pictures of birds (yes, the feathered ones ;)), it is fine, but the 30mm is just so much better quality. beautiful, warm, bright and saturated images |
| 15:28.24 | keithlard | cope, can i post the link to the portrait of you i took with that lens? :) |
| 15:28.51 | Cope | course |
| 15:29.53 | keithlard | http://keithlard.livejournal.com/197471.html |
| 15:30.35 | TimMagic | w |
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| 15:31.03 | TimMagic | ts |
| 15:31.05 | TimMagic | ? |
| 15:31.07 | TimMagic | ? |
| 15:31.09 | TimMagic | ? |
| 15:31.22 | keithlard | one other characteristic of more expensive lenses is what's called 'bokeh' - the blurring of things out of the plane of focus. you can see from the picture of cope how the books in the background go into a lovely soft fuzz. |
| 15:31.41 | Cope | TimMagic: enough now |
| 15:32.05 | George | *£("!%R&£*("%&U(*£"%*"(£%*("!£&%"(*£&%(*"£&%*("£&%(* DEATH |
| 15:32.30 | TimMagic | w |
| 15:32.30 | TimMagic | h |
| 15:32.31 | TimMagic | a |
| 15:32.31 | TimMagic | t |
| 15:32.32 | TimMagic | ? |
| 15:32.36 | Cope | TimMagic: last warning |
| 15:32.38 | George | TimMagic: shut the fuck up. |
| 15:33.54 | keithlard | more photos taken with the 350d: http://keithlard.livejournal.com/tag/photos |
| 15:34.27 | TimMagic | unless i am much mistaken that was a sect. 5 public order offence george - immediately arrestable after your first warning |
| 15:34.35 | TimMagic | cope: isnt this my first warning too? |
| 15:35.00 | Cope | TimMagic: "enough now" was the first warning |
| 15:35.16 | TimMagic | cope: fair enough |
| 15:35.31 | TimMagic | george: assualt of a police officer |
| 15:35.39 | TimMagic | also an arrestable offence! |
| 15:35.55 | George | TimMagic: ? |
| 15:36.27 | TimMagic | you attacked me - its called assault |
| 15:36.39 | George | no it's not |
| 15:36.47 | TimMagic | yeah it is |
| 15:36.53 | George | you show me in UK legislation where it says I can't e-assault someone |
| 15:37.10 | keithlard | i do not know if you're intrested in astronomy, but the 350 is a good astro camera - it's got automatic dark frame noise reduction, mirror lockup, and wireless remote capability |
| 15:37.50 | TimMagic | sadly not |
| 15:37.50 | keithlard | it also makes a passable cup of tea |
| 15:38.07 | TimMagic | but if ever i do get interested in it ill bear that in mind |
| 15:38.10 | keithlard | :) |
| 15:38.14 | Cope | keithlard: H and I watched the stars for ages last night; and the moon. |
| 15:38.34 | TimMagic | george: [(1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he— |
| 15:38.34 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.34 | TimMagic | (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or |
| 15:38.35 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.35 | TimMagic | (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, |
| 15:38.36 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.37 | keithlard | wizzo! i took some good shots of the moon from cornwall actually. i was trying to get it to shoot through the scope, but i could not get it focused :( |
| 15:38.38 | TimMagic | thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress. |
| 15:39.08 | keithlard | still, the scope has a camera mount on the tube so i used that with the 200mm zoom and the wireless, i think i got some reasonably good pics |
| 15:39.24 | TimMagic | i was both alarmed and distressed by george telling me to shut the **** up |
| 15:39.30 | keithlard | it is super romantic looking at stars |
| 15:39.45 | Cope | it is! especially with a very cuddlable and affectionate girl |
| 15:39.53 | angelchild | TimMagic: I think you started it |
| 15:40.13 | keithlard | i tend to ruin the atmosphere by chuntering on about x-ray astronomy, cosmic background radiation and stellar nucleosynthesis |
| 15:40.21 | angelchild | but that's hot :) |
| 15:40.24 | angelchild | (quite literally) |
| 15:40.48 | angelchild | I wish I knew more |
| 15:40.57 | angelchild | it'd make development quicker |
| 15:41.01 | TimMagic | angelchild: how did i start it? |
| 15:41.09 | keithlard | cope> you could impress her by naming some of the major tourist sites on the moon, as shown on my helpfully annotated pic: http://keithlard.livejournal.com/201818.html |
| 15:41.34 | angelchild | TimMagic by acting like a silly person and typing out sentences letter by letter on separate lines :P |
| 15:41.49 | Cope | TimMagic: Ok, here's the score. George is an annoying prick sometimes, but I like him, and he has also gained respect; You're just being a prick, without any redeeming characteristics. I suggest you stop being a prick. |
| 15:42.06 | George | Cope: I have gained respect? wtf? |
| 15:42.20 | TimMagic | man i am racking up these section 5 offences!!! |
| 15:42.43 | George | Cope: when the hell did this happen? I will rectify it immediately. |
| 15:42.53 | TimMagic | angelchild: you show me in UK legislation where it says I can't act like a silly person :-) |
| 15:43.04 | George | cope will show you on his fist. |
| 15:43.55 | TimMagic | tim will show everyone on his asp |
| 15:43.56 | TimMagic | http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1553.php |
| 15:44.05 | TimMagic | :-) |
| 15:46.19 | George | FARK IT'S 31degC IN HERE |
| 15:46.37 | George | Cope: oiy, what are my redeeming characteristics/ |
| 15:46.38 | TimMagic | ouch |
| 15:47.25 | TimMagic | 32.3c here - about 1/2 mile from georges house |
| 15:47.36 | George | TimMagic: you don't know where I live. |
| 15:47.50 | TimMagic | oh i do |
| 15:48.00 | George | been reading my CV? |
| 15:48.02 | TimMagic | nw7 3qt |
| 15:48.05 | TimMagic | yup |
| 15:48.08 | Cope | :) |
| 15:48.09 | JAV | keithlard: we like the moon |
| 15:48.35 | keithlard | the moon rocks! quite literally if you have celestia installed and view the 'moon libration' demo |
| 15:48.35 | TimMagic | keithlard: moon - beams - very clever! |
| 15:48.53 | JAV | mainly 'cause it is close to us |
| 15:49.16 | keithlard | yes, it's what estate agents call 'handy for the shops and local amenities' |
| 15:50.24 | keithlard | i read an intresting book over the weekend called 'moon dust' - all about the surviving apollo astronauts and what happened to them after |
| 15:50.57 | JAV | http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ |
| 15:51.57 | keithlard | ooh... i forgot to say... i passed lpi 1 this afternoon :) |
| 15:52.27 | TimMagic | well done |
| 15:52.32 | JAV | keithlard: great |
| 15:52.35 | TimMagic | HAND |
| 15:52.51 | TimMagic | ^ that was a big hand for keithlard btw! |
| 15:53.00 | Cope | keithlard: buzz aldrin models are available; which offer to give you moon rock |
| 15:53.04 | angelchild | <TimMagic> angelchild: you show me in UK legislation where it says I can't act like a silly person :-) <---- there'd be a lot fewer MPs if that was law :) |
| 15:53.05 | keithlard | it was tougher than i expected actually |
| 15:53.25 | TimMagic | true |
| 15:53.42 | George | MOO |
| 15:53.46 | TimMagic | new rules for MPs: |
| 15:53.52 | keithlard | it is a lot more challenging than the braindumps i found would suggest |
| 15:53.55 | George | I'm boring I'm boring I'm boring |
| 15:54.01 | SlayerXP | 1 |
| 15:54.01 | SlayerXP | 2 |
| 15:54.01 | SlayerXP | 3 |
| 15:54.02 | SlayerXP | 4 |
| 15:54.02 | SlayerXP | 5 |
| 15:54.02 | Cope | keithlard: did you do both parts, or just first bit? |
| 15:54.04 | SlayerXP | 6 |
| 15:54.06 | SlayerXP | 7 |
| 15:54.08 | SlayerXP | 8 |
| 15:54.08 | TimMagic | 1. dont sleep with rent boys |
| 15:54.11 | wethrin | pie_: No URLs to hand |
| 15:54.12 | SlayerXP | oops |
| 15:54.13 | keithlard | i do not know |
| 15:54.14 | SlayerXP | complete mistake |
| 15:54.16 | SlayerXP | and not catching up in the stats |
| 15:54.18 | SlayerXP | at all |
| 15:54.20 | SlayerXP | rp,osie |
| 15:54.20 | keithlard | there was 98 questions anyway |
| 15:54.20 | TimMagic | 2. dont sell arms to iraq |
| 15:54.22 | SlayerXP | err promise |
| 15:54.30 | wethrin | pie_: But reviews I've seen say the Nikons give a slightly sharper image than the Canons |
| 15:54.32 | TimMagic | 3. dont lend money to berlusconi |
| 15:54.33 | keithlard | all about font configuration in obsolete versions of X... errr... |
| 15:54.35 | wethrin | But, really, it depends what you're used to |
| 15:55.23 | TimMagic | 4. dont join the Lib Dems - they have even less support than Charlie Dimmock |
| 15:55.36 | keithlard | from what i've read most people who've used both say that the nikons are superior to the canons, both in terms of the digital body and the kit lens supplied. they are, however, considerably more expensive :( |
| 15:55.49 | SlayerXP | wethrin: *takes a now* |
| 15:55.49 | wethrin | Are they? |
| 15:55.53 | SlayerXP | err bow |
| 15:55.55 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:55.57 | Cope | SlayerXP: sheila? |
| 15:56.07 | wethrin | keithlard: The D50 is about £100 cheaper than any of the Canons |
| 15:56.18 | SlayerXP | Cope: que? |
| 15:56.28 | Cope | SlayerXP: Smiths song |
| 15:57.12 | Cope | and in a flagrant display of hipocrasy: |
| 15:57.15 | Cope | Is it wrong to want to live on your own ? |
| 15:57.15 | Cope | No, its not wrong - but I must know |
| 15:57.15 | Cope | How can someone so young |
| 15:57.15 | Cope | Sing words so sad ? |
| 15:57.15 | Cope | Sheila take a, sheila take a bow |
| 15:57.17 | Cope | Boot the grime of this world in the crotch, dear |
| 15:57.20 | Cope | And dont go home tonight |
| 15:57.20 | keithlard | oh ok - the d50 wasn't out when i was researching into this. i don't know what the spec is, but most comparisons put the EOS350D up against the D70s |
| 15:57.22 | Cope | Come out and find the one that you love and who loves you |
| 15:57.25 | Cope | The one that you love and who loves you |
| 15:57.28 | Cope | Oh ... |
| 15:57.30 | Cope | Is it wrong not to always be glad ? |
| 15:57.33 | Cope | No, its not wrong - but I must add |
| 15:57.35 | Cope | How can someone so young |
| 15:57.38 | Cope | Sing words so sad ? |
| 15:57.40 | Cope | Sheila take a, sheila take a bow |
| 15:57.43 | Cope | Boot the grime of this world in the crotch, dear |
| 15:57.45 | Cope | And dont go home tonight |
| 15:57.48 | Cope | Come out and find the one that you love and who loves you |
| 15:57.51 | Cope | The one that you love and who loves you |
| 15:57.53 | Cope | Take my hand and off we stride |
| 15:57.56 | Cope | Oh, la ... |
| 15:57.58 | TimMagic | cope: be careful - you can get in trouble for writing lots of lines in a row! |
| 15:57.58 | Cope | Youre a girl and Im a boy |
| 15:58.01 | Cope | La ... |
| 15:58.03 | Cope | Take my hand and off we stride |
| 15:58.04 | SlayerXP | people who use mysql get exaclty what they deserve |
| 15:58.06 | Cope | Oh, la ... |
| 15:58.07 | SlayerXP | i.e. mysql |
| 15:58.08 | Cope | Im a girl and youre a boy |
| 15:58.11 | keithlard | i think nikon realised they were missing a trick by not undercutting canon's price point, but sabotaged their flagship prosumer DSLR to do so. i don't know. |
| 15:58.12 | Cope | La ... |
| 15:58.14 | Cope | Sheila take a, sheila take a bow |
| 15:58.16 | Cope | La ... |
| 15:58.19 | Cope | Throw your homework onto the fire |
| 15:58.21 | Cope | Come out and find the one that you love |
| 15:58.24 | Cope | Come out and find the one you love] |
| 15:58.29 | Cope | right - last call for silliness. |
| 15:58.31 | Cope | TimMagic: this is true |
| 15:58.32 | George | Cope: FREAK! |
| 15:58.59 | TimMagic | you know george - im gonna let that on slide with a slap on the wrist |
| 15:59.06 | TimMagic | s/on/one/ |
| 15:59.10 | keithlard | cope, shall we form a wizzo smiths cover band? you can be morrissey, i'll be marr, and no one knows who those other guys were anyway :) |
| 15:59.20 | Cope | keithlard: a fine idea! |
| 15:59.26 | keithlard | :) |
| 15:59.38 | TimMagic | oi |
| 15:59.43 | George | lots of people are confused at my current MSN name :) |
| 15:59.44 | TimMagic | that was plain rude |
| 15:59.46 | wethrin | keithlard: The D50 is near-enough a D70 as to have caused Nikon a bit of trouble |
| 15:59.50 | wethrin | The D70S is better |
| 15:59.59 | wethrin | George: Is it 'sheila'? |
| 16:00.03 | George | no |
| 16:00.04 | SlayerXP | George: what is it? StraightGeorge? |
| 16:00.10 | keithlard | i would love to have a play with a Dxx actually |
| 16:00.30 | Cope | keithlard in wanting to play with dicks shocker. |
| 16:00.50 | pie_ | wethrin, is that the lns or the body causing the loss of sharpness? |
| 16:00.58 | pie_ | lens |
| 16:00.59 | keithlard | a friend of mine has the D200 and says it is more fun than a basket of puppies |
| 16:01.14 | SlayerXP | keithlard: with or without a mincer to hand? |
| 16:02.24 | JAV | SlayerXP: you don't really like mysql, do you? :) |
| 16:02.45 | wethrin | pie_: CCD, I think |
| 16:02.48 | SlayerXP | JAV: actually I do. it's an excellent example of why people should be using postgres instead. |
| 16:03.14 | JAV | heh |
| 16:03.16 | keithlard | i think at the end of the day the camera itself matters relatively little compared to the lenses that you will be investing in. there are superb lenses available for both marques, whether factory or aftermarket, so all you need to is mortgage your home / rob a bank / sell your body to buy them :-D |
| 16:03.27 | George | Cope: you haven't been on msn lately |
| 16:03.29 | George | Cope: slacker |
| 16:03.50 | wethrin | keithlard: The CCD matters too, as that's what's actually recording the information |
| 16:03.59 | wethrin | Get a rubbish CCD, and it doesn't matter how good the lens is |
| 16:04.15 | keithlard | agreed |
| 16:04.29 | JAV | SlayerXP: what's your most hated "feature" in mysql? |
| 16:04.55 | keithlard | but if you ask most pro photographers, they probably have a great deal more money invested in lenses than bodies |
| 16:05.01 | wethrin | True |
| 16:05.14 | keithlard | it is a blumming expensive hobby unfortunately :( |
| 16:05.17 | wethrin | But they're more likely to be recording into film |
| 16:05.18 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 16:05.35 | wethrin | However, you get a decent body, there won't be much need to upgrade |
| 16:06.02 | keithlard | it is a bit like computers - the bloke next door will always annoy you by getting something slightly better than yours :) |
| 16:06.16 | wethrin | I have a nice dual-processor Alpha |
| 16:06.46 | keithlard | that does sound good |
| 16:07.19 | keithlard | i have a vast and painstakingly organised porn collection ;) |
| 16:07.25 | wethrin | Damn you! :) |
| 16:07.45 | TimMagic | keithlard: but moores law states that if you wait 18 months you can get a computer twice as good as you next door nieghbours |
| 16:07.47 | TimMagic | (kinda) |
| 16:08.41 | keithlard | it's like how you can never be too rich or too thin. your computer can never be too fast or have too much memory, or have too many UV lights and goldfish in it |
| 16:08.53 | TimMagic | lol true |
| 16:10.31 | wethrin | You can be too thin |
| 16:10.35 | wethrin | Ask a doctor |
| 16:10.54 | George | I could hide 'neath the wings of the bluebird as she sings |
| 16:10.55 | George | lalalala |
| 16:12.33 | keithlard | no danger of that for me right now ;) |
| 16:13.45 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 16:14.02 | keithlard | it's too hot for excersise :( |
| 16:14.51 | wethrin | keithlard: Yeah |
| 16:15.01 | wethrin | But then, it's sometimes a bit hot for eating too |
| 16:15.12 | wethrin | angelchild: Will you be at the Gllug meeting on the 24th? |
| 16:15.23 | keithlard | i had a wizzo lamb vindaloo last night :-D |
| 16:15.41 | keithlard | there were a couple of worrying moments where I thought i was going to die, but overall it was terrific |
| 16:16.03 | wethrin | oooh! |
| 16:16.12 | wethrin | I had sossidges and mash last night |
| 16:16.24 | keithlard | yum |
| 16:16.41 | keithlard | +1 for spelling sossidges correckly |
| 16:16.50 | wethrin | SOSSIDGES! |
| 16:17.14 | keithlard | badmington |
| 16:17.47 | wethrin | MY SOSSIDGES! |
| 16:18.03 | keithlard | it's mr 'hey, it was only a sossidge' |
| 16:18.27 | George | wethrin: hell yes. |
| 16:18.31 | George | wethrin: good old pork ones |
| 16:18.36 | keithlard | i like the episode of seinfeld where kramer and newman are making their own sossidges. i'd like to do that. |
| 16:18.54 | wethrin | Got some spare gut? |
| 16:19.44 | keithlard | sadly, yeah :) |
| 16:20.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:23.48 | keithlard | is it worth getting a water cooler for the cpu do you think? |
| 16:23.55 | keithlard | or just a super duper fan |
| 16:24.02 | wethrin | Is air cooling too noisy? Inadequate? |
| 16:24.17 | wethrin | Remember for water cooling you'll still need some motor for circulation |
| 16:24.37 | wethrin | And, AIUI, requires some holes in the case for the water pipes to go |
| 16:25.06 | keithlard | well i'm not overclocking or anything |
| 16:25.35 | keithlard | i just want a nice quiet fan that works, it gets awful hot in my living room |
| 16:28.21 | wethrin | Look at quietpc.com |
| 16:28.37 | keithlard | ooh |
| 16:29.01 | keithlard | thanks :) |
| 16:29.41 | keithlard | these look great |
| 16:34.15 | keithlard | if it is a pentium 4, is it a socket 478? |
| 16:35.00 | wethrin | It can be a number of things |
| 16:35.05 | keithlard | aw |
| 16:35.09 | wethrin | My most recent PC just has a Pentium 3 CPU |
| 16:38.49 | keithlard | if i got one of these... http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/intelcooling/ninjaplus |
| 16:39.01 | keithlard | do you think i could use it with one of these: http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/casefans/fan-120 |
| 16:39.53 | wethrin | Apparently it comes with a fan |
| 16:40.10 | wethrin | But fans are fans, in terms of fittings |
| 16:40.44 | JAV | underclock it and remove the fans |
| 16:42.02 | keithlard | it does say that sleeve bearing fans shouldn't be used with cpus |
| 16:42.48 | wethrin | short-sleeved fans? |
| 16:58.27 | morsing | re |
| 17:30.43 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 17:33.26 | George | ASSIMMILATE |
| 17:33.35 | keithlard | i feel like buying all 326 books on my amazon wishlist, getting into a cold bath and reading them |
| 17:33.41 | keithlard | with a beer |
| 17:34.25 | George | DEATH!! |
| 17:34.34 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 17:34.42 | George | DEATH TO ANGELCHILD TOO |
| 17:40.26 | SlayerXP | would someone be kind enough to habd me a +o for just a moment? |
| 17:40.35 | SlayerXP | I won;t kick and ban George, I promise |
| 17:40.38 | SlayerXP | well, not much |
| 17:40.47 | SlayerXP | *hand |
| 17:43.22 | keithlard | quite intresting article linked on /. - http://www.paulgraham.com/america.html |
| 17:43.35 | keithlard | "European public opinion will apparently tolerate people being fired in industries where they really care about performance. Unfortunately the only industry they care enough about so far is soccer." |
| 17:53.26 | angelchild | heh |
| 17:54.45 | angelchild | w000000000000t |
| 17:55.20 | angelchild | so now i can use a cross platform .NET embedded runtime to run my game's scripts =) |
| 18:01.35 | angelchild | hi z00dax :) |
| 18:01.37 | keithlard | ah, z00dax, i've been expecting you |
| 18:01.38 | z00dax | this heat is killing all my loved ones :( |
| 18:01.41 | z00dax | angelchild: ! |
| 18:01.42 | z00dax | keithlard: ! |
| 18:01.46 | keithlard | :) |
| 18:01.50 | angelchild | killing your loved ones? O_o |
| 18:02.21 | z00dax | angelchild: my G5 does not like heat, she likes it nice and cool and loves to cuddle up with her lil powerpc proc's |
| 18:02.41 | angelchild | :( |
| 18:02.51 | z00dax | I've had to go in there, and physically remove one of the proc's :( |
| 18:02.56 | angelchild | :'( |
| 18:03.38 | z00dax | hi keithlard, howse it going ? |
| 18:07.06 | George | moo |
| 18:07.13 | z00dax | hey George |
| 18:07.16 | George | hey z00dax |
| 18:08.17 | keithlard | reely good :) just got back from super holiday in cornwall |
| 18:08.55 | keithlard | unfortunately i've just noticed the servers in the rack are melting |
| 18:09.38 | z00dax | ouch, is this in the office or at the DC ? |
| 18:10.06 | keithlard | in the office... you remember we have that acoustirack thing |
| 18:10.30 | z00dax | oh yea, at the back right side.... |
| 18:10.33 | keithlard | it's up to 46 degrees, so i just flung open all the doors and shut down some servers :( |
| 18:10.41 | z00dax | also, looks like someone ate the carrot |
| 18:11.17 | keithlard | i'll disable nagios squawks on that for a while |
| 18:12.13 | z00dax | 46 ambient in the rack prolly == 60 inside the server cages at psu level and 50 - 55 inside the machines... |
| 18:12.39 | keithlard | ==BAD |
| 18:14.56 | Cope | NS |
| 19:41.07 | TimMagic | hey everyone! |
| 19:41.12 | TimMagic | im back from tea! |
| 19:55.01 | z00dax | TimMagic: hey |
| 19:56.26 | TimMagic | yo z00dax |
| 19:56.32 | TimMagic | hows it hangin? |
| 19:56.47 | z00dax | not bad, all good - got some sun into my system at Tunbridge wells today |
| 19:57.04 | TimMagic | ooh how very exciting |
| 19:57.14 | TimMagic | i went to kings cross and got some sun |
| 19:57.18 | z00dax | i had the biggest burger of my life... must have been half a well-fed cow in there |
| 19:58.54 | JAV | moo |
| 20:00.16 | z00dax | (sun)++ |
| 20:00.39 | TimMagic | cool |
| 20:00.42 | TimMagic | where from? |
| 20:00.53 | JAV | from my computer :D |
| 20:01.18 | TimMagic | oddly enough jav, i wasnt taliking to you :-p |
| 20:01.41 | TimMagic | i hate to burst your bubble and all |
| 20:01.52 | TimMagic | s/taliking/talking/ |
| 20:01.53 | JAV | I knew, but it was funny :D |
| 20:01.55 | z00dax | TimMagic: place called Hare |
| 20:02.08 | TimMagic | JAV: yes - it was |
| 20:02.22 | TimMagic | z00dax: might have to look out for that |
| 20:02.27 | TimMagic | if its large and fried im there |
| 20:02.45 | z00dax | TimMagic: http://www.brunningandprice.co.uk/pub3_1.html |
| 20:06.59 | TimMagic | cool |
| 20:07.04 | TimMagic | if anyone is at a loose end |
| 20:07.23 | TimMagic | http://www.stickcricket.com is well worth a look |
| 20:25.15 | morsing | re |
| 20:31.42 | z00dax | morsing: |
| 20:52.03 | George | MOO |
| 21:04.05 | TimMagic | erm thanks george |
| 21:04.10 | TimMagic | moo right back at ya |
| 21:17.35 | TimMagic | thanks again george |
| 21:17.41 | TimMagic | what was that in aid of? |
| 21:17.46 | George | dunno |
| 21:32.05 | TimMagic | fair dinkum |
| 22:22.01 | z00dax | hello |
| 22:24.35 | TimMagic | hey z00dax |
| 22:24.42 | TimMagic | u ok? |
| 22:24.52 | George | TimMagic: you're meant to be dead |
| 22:25.00 | TimMagic | no |
| 22:25.24 | TimMagic | you shot me, but i was wearing my metvest as i often do when im home alone |
| 22:26.14 | George | at a range of 2 feet. |
| 22:26.31 | George | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG |
| 22:28.12 | TimMagic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet-proof_vests |
| 22:28.17 | TimMagic | we use type 4... |
| 22:29.02 | George | we? |
| 22:29.33 | George | yes, a .50 BMG would thrash that vest |
| 22:31.09 | TimMagic | ok |
| 22:31.14 | TimMagic | we work in pairs |
| 22:31.15 | TimMagic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos |
| 22:37.54 | z00dax | yeah you guys need all this stuff |
| 22:38.10 | z00dax | I know Agent Smith, he sorts out all these type of things for me. |
| 22:38.59 | TimMagic | hehe good to hear |
| 22:39.14 | z00dax | yeah, he's going to get me out of the matrix soon. |
| 22:42.23 | TimMagic | golly thants exciting |
| 22:42.32 | TimMagic | will you miss it? |
| 22:44.25 | z00dax | well, i might. but I'd love to find out |
| 22:45.45 | TimMagic | well what i think is the outside world is quite fun |
| 22:45.50 | TimMagic | but i may not be outside |
| 22:47.20 | z00dax | you havent been on irc long enough yet |
| 22:47.25 | z00dax | give it a few more years |
| 22:47.33 | z00dax | and then you too will be like George |
| 22:49.51 | George | I've been on IRC for over half my life |
| 22:50.02 | George | I think |
| 22:50.14 | z00dax | i rest my case |
| 22:50.28 | TimMagic | well done george |
| 22:50.34 | TimMagic | when to you turn 6? |
| 22:50.43 | z00dax | in 4 years |
| 22:51.05 | TimMagic | hehe |
| 22:51.17 | TimMagic | george is gonna shoot me again isnt he? |
| 22:51.26 | George | mozrat: PING |
| 22:51.41 | z00dax | TimMagic: looks like he's going to ping mozrat's pinger instead |
| 22:52.01 | George | if I do this kNX talk on the 24th |
| 22:52.08 | George | I'm going to need someone to provide me with 3g internet access |
| 22:52.29 | TimMagic | 3g net access? |
| 22:52.35 | George | yes |
| 22:52.40 | George | umts |
| 22:52.58 | TimMagic | theres no need to be rude - i was only asking |
| 22:53.10 | TimMagic | i have 3g on my nokia 6680 |
| 22:53.14 | TimMagic | is that any help? |
| 22:53.19 | wethrin | Ahh, for a low-bandwidth connection? |
| 22:53.40 | George | wethrin: yeah |
| 22:53.47 | wethrin | GPRS too slow? |
| 22:54.15 | George | yeah |
| 22:54.23 | z00dax | nx works over gprs ... |
| 22:54.33 | wethrin | Yeah, but this is with KDE bloat.. |
| 22:55.43 | George | ssh barely runs over nx! |
| 22:55.49 | George | s/nx/gprs/ |
| 22:56.06 | wethrin | It's lag, not bandwidth that's the problem with gprs |
| 22:56.14 | z00dax | George: a dial up modem sort of internet link will work too ? |
| 22:56.32 | z00dax | you can slip a ppp conx rs-232 to rs-232 for the demo duration |
| 22:56.39 | z00dax | and regulate b/w in real time :) |
| 22:57.01 | z00dax | i am sure we can find you a null modem cable |
| 22:57.09 | George | z00dax: how many computers do you think I have? |
| 22:57.16 | TimMagic | z00dax: i was just looking at your contact me bit - how do you get your sms and voice mails relayed to a computer? |
| 22:59.35 | TimMagic | s/removes/remove/ |
| 22:59.40 | z00dax | George: what do you need ? we have a few laptops... not sure how many have rs232 |
| 22:59.57 | z00dax | TimMagic: nokia 6210 wired to a machine |
| 23:00.06 | z00dax | although that number needs to change, i dont have 240251 anymore |
| 23:00.26 | TimMagic | a machine as in... |
| 23:00.54 | wethrin | George: You have lots of machines, dont' you? |
| 23:02.24 | TimMagic | nn all |
| 23:02.41 | George | wethrin: I never said that |
| 23:03.33 | wethrin | You keep buying new ones |
| 23:05.27 | rhowe | In Japanese |
| 23:06.00 | z00dax | TimMagic: machine = computer :) |
| 23:06.05 | z00dax | rhowe: hola! |
| 23:06.10 | rhowe | hey KB |
| 23:08.53 | George | wethrin: lies! |
| 23:09.10 | z00dax | so George do you need another laptop or something ? |
| 23:09.11 | wethrin | uhhhuh |
| 23:09.18 | wethrin | rhowe: Rocky Horror translated? |
| 23:09.31 | George | z00dax: is there a way of crippling ethernet traffic? |
| 23:09.40 | z00dax | yes |
| 23:09.51 | z00dax | disconnect the cable. that usually cripples the network |
| 23:09.55 | George | ... |
| 23:10.05 | wethrin | Put bandwidth limiters on |
| 23:10.15 | z00dax | oh you mean that sort of crippling :) |
| 23:10.34 | wethrin | Although that wouldn't give you a high-latency connection |
| 23:10.53 | George | neither would rs232 |
| 23:11.26 | z00dax | humm.. |
| 23:11.34 | wethrin | Ethernet wire with lots of noise |
| 23:12.11 | z00dax | wrap 500v A/c cable around the ethernet cable - utp, around 300m of it |
| 23:12.32 | George | lol |
| 23:12.44 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:13.27 | rhowe | wethrin: More like a Japanese zombified Sound of Music |
| 23:14.00 | rhowe | George: I think one of the BSDs has a way of emulating different kinds of network link.. FreeBSD? |
| 23:14.13 | George | hahaha NO |
| 23:14.21 | George | nx doesn't work on bsd |
| 23:15.04 | rhowe | Port it |
| 23:15.36 | rhowe | George: Cause an ARP storm? |
| 23:15.55 | rhowe | George: Or a broadcast storm? Get a couple of switches and cross-connect them, then ping 255.255.255.255 :) |
| 23:16.20 | wethrin | Oh dear |
| 23:16.24 | rhowe | George: Make sure the switches are well-cooled though. My kit here is really really hot, and that's in normal operation |
| 23:16.38 | rhowe | HD normally at 34 degrees, now at 41 |
| 23:16.55 | rhowe | CPUs normally in the mid-30s, now at 51 |
| 23:17.04 | rhowe | Case temperature is 48 |
| 23:17.32 | rhowe | hmm.. I think I'm gonna vacuum it |
| 23:17.59 | z00dax | it might stop working |
| 23:18.58 | iTron | rhowe: Greets. How'd things go today? OK I hope. |
| 23:22.03 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin) |
| 23:24.50 | rhowe | iTron: 2 1/2 hour wait to be told "come back tomorrow. You're missing a stamp" |
| 23:25.12 | rhowe | iTron: They say it can be done with only one of us present though, so I'll leave her to it |
| 23:25.49 | iTron | rhowe: A stamp? |
| 23:26.13 | rhowe | iTron: Yeah, apparently she needed to re-register with the police when she got a visa extension |
| 23:26.26 | iTron | rhowe: D'oh |
| 23:26.37 | rhowe | "It says quite plainly on the stamp in your passport! *points to black smudge that may or may not have been text at some point*" |
| 23:26.41 | z00dax | with the police ?? |
| 23:26.43 | iTron | rhowe: Yeah I remember allthat shite when I married my wife. |
| 23:26.54 | rhowe | z00dax: Yeah, she has to register with the police upon arrival |
| 23:27.05 | z00dax | rhowe: what visa was that ? |
| 23:27.09 | rhowe | z00dax: Student |
| 23:27.43 | z00dax | so you need to go down to the local station and tell them who you are and where you live etc ? |
| 23:27.49 | rhowe | z00dax: I think so |
| 23:27.58 | z00dax | damn |
| 23:28.08 | z00dax | so every time you move, you need to basically re-register |
| 23:28.17 | z00dax | and let the prev station know you are no longer in their area |
| 23:28.21 | rhowe | z00dax: Although there's a central office she can go to, which holds records of all such people in the country (presumably that's where the police send the records to) |
| 23:28.26 | rhowe | z00dax: It's at the end of our road :P |
| 23:28.31 | iTron | rhowe: You won't need to do that after you get the permanent residency sorted out. |
| 23:28.33 | z00dax | oh.. thats handy |
| 23:28.33 | rhowe | z00dax: If she does, she never did |
| 23:28.42 | rhowe | iTron: Well, that's at least 2 years away |
| 23:28.50 | iTron | rhowe: *nod* |
| 23:28.53 | rhowe | z00dax: "There is a fee payable" |
| 23:28.57 | z00dax | iTron: dont need that on either a work permit or a > 2 years visa |
| 23:29.01 | rhowe | z00dax: Those magic words |
| 23:29.05 | z00dax | hehe :) |
| 23:29.28 | iTron | Boy it's HOT tonight. |
| 23:30.54 | rhowe | z00dax: I also had to break into our flat when we got back, since she's lost her key, and didn't notice that I'd left mine in the flat for her to use |
| 23:31.31 | rhowe | Luckily, our neighbours are always willing to help burglars out |
| 23:31.36 | z00dax | i hate all these insects |
| 23:31.51 | z00dax | rhowe: nice :) |
| 23:32.19 | rhowe | z00dax: Surely the UK is rather light when it comes to insects at night? |
| 23:32.36 | z00dax | rhowe: its been qite bad the last few days with the heat |
| 23:32.55 | z00dax | i suppose where i live, the pollution does not kill them all off |
| 23:33.48 | rhowe | We've had a few moths, and a couple of mozzies |
| 23:33.51 | rhowe | that's about it |
| 23:35.08 | z00dax | mozrat is a bug ? i thought he was a feature |
| 23:35.11 | George | I WIN |
| 23:37.33 | z00dax | rhowe: you dont like Mac's ? |
| 23:37.57 | wethrin | Mac's what? |
| 23:38.04 | z00dax | Apple Mac's |
| 23:38.09 | rhowe | z00dax: I was referring to Windows leading to insanity |
| 23:38.35 | rhowe | z00dax: Having said that, the most modern mac I used was an LC475 running System 7.5 |
| 23:38.36 | z00dax | iirc, photoshop runs natively under wine now |
| 23:39.06 | George | z00dax: ROGUE APOSTROPHE ALERT |
| 23:39.15 | z00dax | oohh... the first mac i ever used was running OS9, OSX was released a few weeks later, and i moved to Linux on there... |
| 23:39.36 | wethrin | Apple Mac's what? :) |
| 23:39.41 | rhowe | z00dax: Oh, the first mac I used was a Classic :P |
| 23:39.44 | iTron | Okay. Time to exit out of X for a bit to install my nwly compiles xorg debian packages. Hopefully this'll sort out the fscking lack of GLX with these ATI drivers. Bah. |
| 23:40.11 | z00dax | my ati works fine, with glx an all .... |
| 23:44.45 | z00dax | zzzzzz time |
| 23:46.20 | wethrin | nn z00dax |
