| 00:32.57 | George | flaming sausages |
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| 02:01.29 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 02:02.33 | George | hey Leeds |
| 02:02.57 | Leeds | morning George |
| 02:03.08 | George | Leeds: http://www.gwright.org.uk/index.php?page=warning |
| 02:03.14 | George | Leeds: like it? |
| 02:08.57 | Leeds | I'm just working out my tax for last year... |
| 02:09.09 | George | lol |
| 02:09.25 | Leeds | very self-centered |
| 02:10.20 | George | yup |
| 02:11.14 | Leeds | seems to be about $942 - about 65 quid |
| 02:11.27 | George | :) |
| 02:11.39 | Leeds | that's for 2005/2006 |
| 02:11.57 | Leeds | that's *not* on top of PAYE or anything like that - it's my total income tax for the year! |
| 02:12.19 | George | :P |
| 02:12.47 | Leeds | that, incidentally, is a lot less than one month of council tax in London, with the 25% loner discount, which I'm still paying at the moment |
| 02:12.56 | George | loner discount? |
| 02:13.55 | Leeds | council tax, unlike the community charge (poll tax) is charged on the property, not on the residents... but you get a 25% discount if there's only one person living there, since it's calculated to cover 2 or more people |
| 02:14.26 | George | shouldn't you get a 50% discount in that case? |
| 02:14.53 | Leeds | no, because it's not just based on the marginal cost of one more resident |
| 02:15.48 | Leeds | that is, there are some things held to be effectively fixed costs - things like street lighting/cleaning, policing, and so on - they don't double in cost if there are two people living there |
| 02:19.02 | Leeds | hmm... that appears to be a tax rate of approximately 0.37% - as opposed to the approximately 36% I was paying in the UK :-) |
| 02:22.58 | Leeds | sorry, I miscalculated... it's about 100 quid for the year |
| 02:31.25 | George | heh |
| 02:32.00 | George | Leeds: you're earning 28000 GBP per year? |
| 02:32.52 | Leeds | no |
| 02:33.21 | George | 18000? |
| 02:35.58 | Leeds | no |
| 02:36.43 | George | ok |
| 02:36.45 | George | x? |
| 02:36.58 | Leeds | x? |
| 02:37.10 | George | you know |
| 02:37.13 | George | variable :) |
| 02:38.28 | Leeds | approximately half my earnings go straight to rent, but it's an all-inclusive price, so all I need to buy on top of that is things like food and travel |
| 02:39.58 | George | lol |
| 02:40.00 | George | this is weird |
| 02:40.07 | Leeds | yes, but you still live with your mummy or in a dorm |
| 02:40.15 | George | ? |
| 02:40.20 | George | heh |
| 02:40.24 | George | this is such a strange irssi theme |
| 02:41.08 | George | hrmm |
| 02:41.13 | George | back to the world of normality |
| 03:53.49 | Leeds | "in a sense, all python objects are anonymous, it's just that some of them also have names" |
| 03:58.17 | angelchild | :o |
| 04:31.12 | Cope | :) |
| 04:51.44 | morsing | 'morning |
| 04:53.19 | Leeds | argh |
| 04:54.17 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 04:55.34 | Leeds | company policy is that all mail should be cc:ed to the group alias - which means everyone gets many 10s of useless emails every day |
| 04:56.30 | Leeds | cousin's wife - who I like as a person, but seems to do about as much work as I do - is bugging me to cc: tech support stuff to a customer... it's just stupid |
| 04:59.00 | Leeds | why should "I can login using your details, here they are, please tell me exactly what you see on screen when you try to login" need to go to everyone in the company? |
| 05:00.07 | Leeds | it's the sort of thing I would have liked to have tried to change - to fix - if I'd felt I had the leverage to do it |
| 05:11.38 | morsing | Mmm... leverage |
| 05:15.15 | Leeds | oo-er |
| 05:27.11 | angelchild | :o |
| 06:18.06 | Leeds | bah... no pub quiz tonight because there's the Korea vs. Togo match on... I mean... who wants to see that? |
| 06:20.43 | angelchild | Koreans and... errr.... Togans? |
| 06:22.35 | Leeds | and why do they want to watch it at an English/Aussie/Kiwi bar? |
| 06:23.07 | murb | pruably only south koreans? |
| 06:23.32 | murb | i don't belive the north koreans qualified this time. |
| 06:24.14 | Leeds | 'Korea', unqualified, tends to imply South |
| 06:26.26 | murb | i thought both states claimed the whole peninsular? |
| 06:29.26 | Leeds | it's not that simple - I think it's more like China and Taiwan - they both claim to be the 'real' Korea, with the other being a temporary anomoly, splitting the one true Korea in half |
| 06:53.17 | morsing | Happy birthday Leeds |
| 06:53.26 | Leeds | huh? |
| 06:54.39 | Leeds | one person's response to the 'match instead of quiz' has been to announce that she'll be staying at home and watching Air Crash Investigation... it's a non-stop party here in the East... |
| 07:00.33 | mozrat | ooh, happy birthday Leeds |
| 07:00.52 | mozrat | Morning everyone |
| 07:03.26 | Leeds | uh... it's not my birthday |
| 07:03.37 | Leeds | but thanks anyway, guys |
| 07:04.52 | morsing | mozrat: Just emailed you |
| 07:05.10 | morsing | mozrat: Did you get anything for him for his birthday? |
| 07:06.00 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 07:07.18 | mozrat | morsing, email it to my work address, I'm on the tube |
| 07:07.46 | mozrat | morsing, I didn't know it was his birthday until just now :( |
| 07:08.04 | mozrat | otherwise I would have sent a card over |
| 07:08.30 | Leeds | hmm... how do you get boobs and balls confused and come out with bawlsl? |
| 07:09.03 | morsing | Mmm... Boobs and balls |
| 07:09.25 | mozrat | Been swinging again Leeds? |
| 07:09.37 | Leeds | not so much |
| 07:09.38 | morsing | Mmm... Swinging |
| 07:09.46 | Leeds | never been to Disco Bay |
| 07:09.56 | Leeds | must put it on my list of places to go |
| 07:10.09 | mozrat | I would |
| 07:10.35 | Leeds | (it's Discovery, not Discoteque, by the way) |
| 07:10.42 | Leeds | (or however you spell that) |
| 07:11.54 | mozrat | Went down to La Rochelle |
| 07:11.57 | morsing | Ca va? |
| 07:12.24 | mozrat | Oui, Ca va bien merci. Et tu? |
| 07:12.36 | morsing | Bien |
| 07:12.43 | Leeds | Et tu Brute? |
| 07:12.57 | morsing | Tres brute |
| 07:12.59 | mozrat | Je suis tres sunburnt |
| 07:13.04 | morsing | Sunburnt? |
| 07:13.14 | mozrat | yes |
| 07:17.27 | Leeds | morsing: you are very Brutus? |
| 07:23.26 | morsing | Leeds: Oui. Et j'ai faim encore |
| 07:27.17 | Leeds | beware the ides of... well... June! |
| 07:34.12 | AndrewBlack | hmm - anyone know of a program that will give todays date in roman? |
| 07:35.05 | AndrewBlack | my birthday in the Latin calendar is one day earlier than the modern one (except in leap years) |
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| 07:39.34 | _ts_ | Happy birthday Leeds! :-) |
| 07:40.06 | *** part/#gllug _ts_ (i=tschenz@root.vg) |
| 07:42.49 | AndrewBlack | Does anyone use http://del.icio.us or any other online bookmarking site? |
| 07:43.14 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Firefox has bookmarks |
| 07:45.27 | AndrewBlack | Can firefox coordinate bookmarks on more than one machine? And if you are using a library machine that uses (cough cough) internet exploder? |
| 07:46.04 | morsing | AndrewBlack: rsync or CVS can |
| 07:46.13 | morsing | Mmm... rsync |
| 07:46.51 | morsing | Or you can just tunnel your X display through to where you are :) |
| 07:47.15 | Leeds | stupid bastards expecting me to do work |
| 07:52.24 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:52.56 | morsing | Huh? |
| 07:53.01 | SlayerXP | CVS |
| 07:53.07 | morsing | Mmm... CVS# |
| 07:56.13 | Cope | hello |
| 07:56.16 | Cope | morsing: svn |
| 08:03.17 | morsing | Cope: ? |
| 08:03.29 | Cope | morsing: are you asking me what svn is? |
| 08:03.37 | morsing | Yes |
| 08:03.41 | Cope | oh sorry |
| 08:03.44 | Cope | subversion |
| 08:03.48 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 08:05.39 | murb | subversives |
| 08:08.17 | SlayerXP | i had to go back to cvs after over a year of using nothing but subversion |
| 08:08.33 | SlayerXP | the first scream happened right after "cvs mv file1 file2" failed |
| 08:08.39 | *** part/#gllug angelchild (n=Catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 08:20.49 | morsing | SlayerXP: *You* failed |
| 08:21.25 | SlayerXP | yes, how dare I expect a revision control system to be able to rename a file without losing all the history |
| 08:22.23 | AndrewBlack | Anyone have experience of using berkelyDB. |
| 08:23.05 | SlayerXP | some |
| 08:23.14 | SlayerXP | "don't" being my experience :) |
| 08:23.31 | SlayerXP | i mean, the thing I used it for, it turned out easier to use sqllite instead |
| 08:24.21 | Cope | AndrewBlack: what are you planning to do? |
| 08:27.29 | SlayerXP | fligth back to the UK booked |
| 08:29.23 | Cope | SlayerXP: are you looking forward to coming "home"? |
| 08:30.07 | SlayerXP | Cope: in some ways, yes. there are things here i will miss though |
| 08:30.56 | SlayerXP | the space, peace and quiet, lack of chavs and general sense of social responsibility |
| 08:31.07 | SlayerXP | plus I'll have to get back into the habit of locking things |
| 08:34.08 | morsing | SlayerXP: WHy don't you move to Denmark instead? Much more internationally minded and they have proper meat and food? |
| 08:34.35 | SlayerXP | i need somewhere where I can guarantee to get work |
| 08:35.01 | SlayerXP | mainly due to inefficient abmx resellers :) |
| 08:36.12 | mozrat | Leeds: are you still at the bra company? When is your notice up? |
| 08:37.19 | morsing | SlayerXP: Denmark is the place. It's not isolated like Norway |
| 08:45.18 | Leeds | mozrat: end of August |
| 08:45.52 | Cope | grrrr |
| 08:50.22 | mozrat | Thats quite a long notice period |
| 08:52.03 | morsing | Leeds: Just leave next week. They can't hold you |
| 08:52.29 | Cope | Isn't that frightfully bad form? |
| 08:53.34 | mozrat | morsing: but they could not pay him |
| 08:56.00 | mozrat | Cope, could you op me pls |
| 08:57.03 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
| 09:03.37 | Leeds | yes, I can leave whenever I like, in principle, but they can stop paying me - and paying my rent - at that point |
| 09:04.18 | Leeds | I do have stuff to finish up, and I do intend to finish it, but I resent being asked to do anything new |
| 09:04.46 | SlayerXP | Leeds: "I foresee significant technical problems" |
| 09:05.35 | Leeds | once I'm done, there's one bloke I'll still help out - the remaining techie, who will have to take on my code without having a clue how it works or how to read or write the language it's written in |
| 09:07.08 | wethrin | morning |
| 09:08.20 | murb | Leeds: maybe he wrote "fast learner" in his CV? |
| 09:08.54 | Leeds | nah, he isn't |
| 09:13.07 | hali | i'm seriously considering making candidates take lie detector tests when doing interviews... |
| 09:13.28 | hali | british people lie their ass off on their cv's |
| 09:13.40 | murb | hali: so you'd just employ those that belive their own lies? |
| 09:13.51 | murb | although maybe not a bad test if you are employing a sales person! |
| 09:14.00 | hali | hm, good point |
| 09:14.13 | hali | i think a mind-meld is the way to go |
| 09:14.17 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Happy Birthday Leeds! Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 09:14.38 | SlayerXP | can I heckle George? |
| 09:14.49 | SlayerXP | OI! FATTY! Have you had sex yet? |
| 09:14.49 | murb | SlayerXP: only if you attend |
| 09:15.34 | mozrat | Michael Bartosh (Mac server guru and o'reilly author) died :( |
| 09:15.50 | mozrat | Fell off a balcony in Japan |
| 09:16.28 | murb | that was careless of him |
| 09:21.31 | wethrin | Ah. Happy Birthday, Leeds! |
| 09:22.37 | Leeds | wethrin: thanks |
| 09:24.22 | SlayerXP | # Another day closer to death |
| 09:25.03 | Cope | Desperation is the English way. |
| 09:39.58 | TimMagic | hello everyone! |
| 09:40.35 | Cope | hello TimMagic |
| 09:40.50 | Leeds | evening |
| 09:42.04 | Cope | hmm. |
| 09:42.23 | Cope | If ElementTree is the best method for parsing xml, why isn't it in teh standard library |
| 09:43.48 | TimMagic | how goes it? |
| 09:44.19 | Cope | not bad, apart from the drip of the leaking roof |
| 09:45.35 | Leeds | Cope: it is, in 2.5 :-) |
| 09:46.04 | Leeds | it only stabilised enough to be included during the lifetime of 2.5 |
| 09:46.06 | Leeds | uh, 2.4 |
| 09:47.30 | TimMagic | cope: oh dear |
| 09:47.41 | TimMagic | its sunny here so dont have that problem |
| 09:54.59 | Cope | Leeds: can it be imported from "the future"? |
| 09:55.24 | Cope | TimMagic: It is sunny here too |
| 09:58.17 | Leeds | Cope: no, but it can be downloaded from effbot.org |
| 09:59.12 | Leeds | I'm not sure that 100% of what is now elementtree has been imported into the future - it's possible it's a cut-down version |
| 09:59.34 | Leeds | you could always grab a 2.5 alpha, of course... |
| 10:00.23 | Leeds | in fact, beta1 is due out tomorrow :-) |
| 10:25.37 | TimMagic | cope: how come your roof is dripping? |
| 10:31.32 | Cope | dunno - burst pipe or something |
| 10:36.16 | TimMagic | oh ok |
| 10:36.25 | TimMagic | thought maybe it was raining |
| 10:40.37 | SlayerXP | <plasmoduck> I need something so people can create their own email accounts via website, kinda like hotmail |
| 10:40.37 | SlayerXP | <SlayerXP> plasmoduck: you'll be looking for a clue of some kind, then |
| 10:40.37 | SlayerXP | <plasmoduck> ? |
| 10:40.44 | SlayerXP | i appear to be in a less helpful mood than normal |
| 10:41.51 | mozrat | Did that outburst make you feel happier in some way? |
| 10:42.00 | mozrat | SlayerXP: did #debian move from Freenode now? |
| 10:42.02 | SlayerXP | not really |
| 10:42.45 | SlayerXP | though I may start a petition to enforce licensing of LAMP |
| 10:43.07 | SlayerXP | i.e. you have to demonstrate you have more braincells than fingers before being allowed to roll it out |
| 10:47.14 | George | yay! |
| 10:47.17 | George | my business cards arrived |
| 10:50.04 | murb | do you have a business? |
| 10:51.31 | George | KDE ones |
| 10:51.32 | George | official |
| 10:53.50 | TimMagic | ooh good one geroge |
| 10:54.07 | TimMagic | we will of course need to see pictures/scans of them |
| 10:54.16 | TimMagic | s/geroge/george/ |
| 10:54.19 | mozrat | No we don't |
| 10:54.27 | mozrat | George: Count them all now. |
| 10:54.38 | mozrat | I guarantee you will have gotten rid of about 5% of them in a year |
| 10:54.40 | TimMagic | mozrat: ? |
| 10:54.52 | mozrat | and of those 5% you will never hear from the people you give them too again |
| 10:54.57 | Cope | mozrat: he can give them to all his friends |
| 10:55.05 | Cope | mozrat: which will account for.... |
| 10:55.13 | George | 0 |
| 10:55.15 | Cope | :) |
| 10:55.36 | George | ... |
| 10:56.08 | mozrat | gosh - #gllug is no long SFW |
| 10:56.17 | mozrat | s/long/longer/ |
| 10:56.25 | Cope | George: is that what they call it now? |
| 10:56.37 | George | Cope: you're the chemist.. |
| 10:56.58 | George | Cope: http://gwright.org.uk/index.php?page=warning |
| 10:57.29 | George | oh puh-lease |
| 10:57.31 | George | IUPAC names |
| 10:57.44 | George | 6-(2-fluorophenyl)-2-methyl-9-nitro- 2,5-diazabicyclo[5.4.0]undeca- 5,8,10,12-tetraen-3-one would be "rohypnol" |
| 10:59.15 | mozrat | it concerns me greatly that you know that |
| 10:59.45 | George | wikipedia. |
| 10:59.50 | TimMagic | lol |
| 11:01.33 | TimMagic | wots SFW? |
| 11:01.42 | mozrat | ibot NSFW |
| 11:01.49 | ibot | nsfw is probably not safe for work/wife |
| 11:02.21 | mozrat | George: can you confirm or deny your existance on the 24th June, Westminster University Campus? |
| 11:02.54 | TimMagic | ok |
| 11:03.41 | TimMagic | could be due to geroges reaction to my writing each letter on a separate |
| 11:03.43 | TimMagic | line |
| 11:03.44 | TimMagic | ! |
| 11:03.44 | Cope | TimMagic: http://www.hai2u.com |
| 11:04.08 | TimMagic | lol |
| 11:04.11 | TimMagic | ive seen worse |
| 11:04.35 | mozrat | Cope: thanks for that. |
| 11:04.50 | TimMagic | though i am a tad concerned as thats my wife |
| 11:04.57 | mozrat | mental note to self. Don't open links posted on IRC |
| 11:05.48 | Cope | mozrat: I'd have thought the context implied an inherent lack of wsness |
| 11:06.15 | mozrat | Cope: in hindsight I should have spotted that. I was a bit click happy |
| 11:06.40 | mozrat | Thats nearly as disgusting as a link wethrin posted to me a few weeks ago |
| 11:06.51 | mozrat | tub girl or something |
| 11:06.55 | mozrat | horrid |
| 11:07.32 | SlayerXP | http://www.tubgirl.com/ |
| 11:07.39 | TimMagic | dare i? |
| 11:07.51 | Cope | TimMagic: lemonparty.org is better |
| 11:08.00 | mozrat | I really wouldn't |
| 11:08.17 | Cope | TimMagic: tubgirl is a classic, you really need to see it |
| 11:08.25 | mozrat | Nobody needs to see that |
| 11:08.25 | TimMagic | seen that one before |
| 11:08.33 | Cope | TimMagic: which one? |
| 11:09.05 | TimMagic | you see, like george, i went to a private school thus spent way to much time in male company |
| 11:09.11 | TimMagic | cope: tubgirl |
| 11:09.21 | TimMagic | s/to/too/ |
| 11:09.49 | George | I go to public school... |
| 11:10.27 | TimMagic | lets not have this discussion |
| 11:21.22 | SlayerXP | George: why do you have business cards? |
| 11:21.40 | George | TimMagic: which school did you go to? |
| 11:21.59 | SlayerXP | i suspect geroge means that he has bits of card with "George Wright, ugly KDE weenie" written on. |
| 11:22.47 | Cope | 1) I am running 64 bit Gentoo |
| 11:22.48 | TimMagic | george: king edward VI in chelmsford |
| 11:22.55 | George | never heard of it |
| 11:22.56 | Cope | "I see the problem..." </mart> |
| 11:22.57 | TimMagic | queen elizabeths in blackburn |
| 11:22.58 | George | must be crap :) |
| 11:23.16 | TimMagic | it was times school of the year |
| 11:23.23 | TimMagic | so yeah - probably :-p |
| 11:25.48 | pie_ | school scmool. |
| 11:25.57 | pie_ | schmool even... |
| 11:31.39 | George | yeah |
| 11:31.41 | George | can't wait to get out |
| 11:31.44 | George | and into ooniversity |
| 11:33.41 | wethrin | mozrat: What link was that? |
| 11:34.09 | mozrat | the tub girl one |
| 11:34.17 | wethrin | ahhh |
| 11:34.22 | z00dax | humm... i wonder what i walked in on |
| 11:34.23 | mozrat | z00dax!!! |
| 11:34.26 | wethrin | I thought tubgirl was well known |
| 11:35.11 | mozrat | I wonder if her parents know |
| 11:37.58 | keithlard | what up z00dax |
| 11:40.47 | George | mozrat: who do you think the cameraman was? |
| 11:41.10 | z00dax | keithlard! |
| 11:41.34 | mozrat | George: eww |
| 11:41.41 | George | mozrat: you suck |
| 11:41.55 | mozrat | George: Did you ask your school about the 24th yet? |
| 11:42.15 | wethrin | keithlard was the cameraman? |
| 11:42.28 | George | mozrat: nah |
| 11:42.33 | George | mozrat: but I'll just take "study leave" |
| 11:42.44 | mozrat | George: cool |
| 11:43.01 | mozrat | I'll put "1 x lemonade" in my budget for the event then |
| 11:43.10 | George | 12 * lemonade |
| 11:43.11 | George | damnit |
| 11:43.11 | George | :D |
| 11:43.16 | George | or a frappucino caramel |
| 11:43.18 | George | :D |
| 11:43.18 | wethrin | mozrat: He's old enough to drink beer |
| 11:43.29 | George | wethrin: he also wants me to turn up and give the talk |
| 11:44.30 | George | ...fucktard |
| 11:44.33 | keithlard | don't you hate it when you google for a problem and you find someone with the same problem, but no answer, and someone with the answer, but it is in german |
| 11:45.07 | keithlard | the only bit i can understand is "Willkommen im ersten deutschsprachigen Nagios-Forum" :) |
| 11:45.17 | George | sausages and lemons |
| 11:45.39 | wethrin | keithlard: I hate it even more when *no-one* has responded to the same problem |
| 11:46.01 | TimMagic | keithlard: send it my way and ill see what i can do |
| 11:46.02 | mozrat | keithlard: Give me a nagios problem. I know this much about it |
| 11:46.08 | mozrat | |<--->| |
| 11:46.10 | TimMagic | the german that is |
| 11:46.14 | mozrat | (diagram not to scale) |
| 11:46.52 | keithlard | http://www.luebben-home.de/forum/thread.php?postid=23302 |
| 11:47.11 | keithlard | i'm just trying to schedule downtime for a machine in nagios, and it keeps telling me i'm not authorized |
| 11:47.16 | keithlard | even though i am :O |
| 11:47.37 | mozrat | keithlard: this happens for one machine or all machines? |
| 11:48.05 | keithlard | oh er good question, i will try another one |
| 11:48.52 | keithlard | ooh |
| 11:50.07 | George | flaming blargh |
| 11:50.07 | mozrat | ooh? |
| 11:50.38 | keithlard | i just tried it with the fully qualified name of the host and it worked fine |
| 11:51.13 | keithlard | looks like it is really fussy about the host name and gives you an entirely misleading error message if it's not recognised ;) |
| 11:51.24 | mozrat | Mmm |
| 11:51.47 | z00dax | keithlard: must be an open source project then ? |
| 11:53.01 | keithlard | or as someone said ""Open source development allows a small group of individuals to exhibit all the sluggishness, stupidity and bureaucracy of a large company." |
| 11:54.43 | keithlard | thanks mozrat... you win another t-shirt... or something... |
| 11:55.30 | mozrat | wow - these t-shirts are getting easier and easier to earn. I didn't do anything this time |
| 11:55.49 | mozrat | I used to use it a lot |
| 11:55.59 | keithlard | it's not bad |
| 11:58.53 | z00dax | and they finally decided to call 2.x stable, a few years after it was actually released |
| 12:02.13 | mozrat | with 4 motorcycle outriders stopping traffic and a black range rover following the posh car |
| 12:05.45 | keithlard | i was driving along the a4 once in hammersmith and we got stopped at the lights for about ten minutes by police while tony blair's convoy came through |
| 12:05.57 | keithlard | all so he wouldn't have to wait 30 seconds for a red light |
| 12:06.37 | mozrat | to be honest the security services are pretty rubbish at varying their routes from Northolt to Central London |
| 12:06.44 | George | mozrat: lies! |
| 12:06.50 | mozrat | they use Westbourne Terrace at least twice a month |
| 12:07.05 | mozrat | if you wanted to have a pot shot you wouldn't have to wait long around here |
| 12:08.25 | keithlard | any experience with a samsung x660? |
| 12:10.20 | TimMagic | samsung z320 |
| 12:18.37 | keithlard | is it good? |
| 12:24.20 | z00dax | keithlard: apart from making and receiving calls, what else do you need / do with the phone ? |
| 12:25.14 | keithlard | just texting reely |
| 12:25.30 | keithlard | i do not use all these new fangled features |
| 12:25.44 | z00dax | what ? like email and ssh ? |
| 12:26.01 | hali | a good camera is always fun.. |
| 12:26.22 | keithlard | i have a sony ericsson right now, which is a fantastic phone with a zillion features and at least eight cameras, but it's uncomfortable to talk on and impossible to text on - which are the only two things i want to do with it :-\ |
| 12:26.54 | z00dax | after carrying a brick around, the nokia 9500 - then another - the sony p900, I've just moved to a mainstream phone now - a sony w810i |
| 12:27.14 | z00dax | I've realised its rare that i need to get to email / ssh / irc etc - when i am away from a computer |
| 12:27.19 | keithlard | :) |
| 12:27.47 | keithlard | i positively like not being able to ssh, or get email |
| 12:27.55 | hali | yeah the w810i looks quite sweet |
| 12:28.14 | z00dax | plus the w810 has a 2meg camera, thats not bad, and with the memory stick, has a ipod like player interface, and it works fine on linux too |
| 12:29.33 | keithlard | mp3 player would be good, as i like to listen to audio books when i'm walking sometimes |
| 12:29.44 | z00dax | and podcasts ? |
| 12:29.49 | keithlard | yeah! |
| 12:29.54 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com) |
| 12:29.57 | keithlard | or lectures on phillersophy |
| 12:30.13 | hali | or podcastporn |
| 12:30.30 | z00dax | podcastpr0n ????? |
| 12:30.40 | z00dax | btw, i might not make the 24th :( |
| 12:30.51 | z00dax | might have a sort of sticky social situation to work through |
| 12:33.03 | keithlard | i did not even realise that my phone has a radio till i'd had it for a year :) |
| 12:35.35 | z00dax | #gllug -> SIGFOOD |
| 12:37.57 | keithlard | i am confused with the multiplicity of phones available |
| 12:48.24 | Leeds | hali: I assume you don't mean the same soho as I do :-) |
| 12:49.04 | hali | i mean the soho south of noho :) |
| 12:50.25 | Leeds | obviously... but you mean the London one? |
| 12:50.49 | *** join/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 12:50.50 | hali | yes |
| 12:50.52 | cbz | da. |
| 12:51.02 | Leeds | bah... I'm going to get curry |
| 12:53.29 | keithlard | can i have curry too? |
| 12:56.27 | mozrat | Leeds, are you going out tonight to celebrate the passing of another year? |
| 12:58.48 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 12:59.07 | mozrat | hi JAV |
| 13:02.35 | keithlard | hola jav |
| 13:03.13 | pie_ | Leeds, what is the cury like in HK? |
| 13:07.30 | keithlard | yes! google earth for linux! |
| 13:12.45 | keithlard | now i can get rid of that copy of windows i installed on vmware, just to run GE ;) |
| 13:14.28 | mozrat | GE does indeed rock |
| 13:16.28 | morsing | moo |
| 13:17.36 | keithlard | hmmm... it just crashed |
| 13:18.41 | Leeds | pie_: it's not bad - there are a lot of Indians here, as part of the Empire legacy |
| 13:20.00 | Leeds | there's one building over on Kowloon-side, where I've never actually eaten, which is known as an Indian building full of little curry-houses |
| 13:23.08 | pie_ | Wow, that does sonud good.. |
| 13:26.14 | Leeds | it's also known for guest-houses and being one of the dodgiest buildings in mainstream HK :-) |
| 13:26.59 | pie_ | 'guest-houses'? |
| 13:27.25 | Leeds | cheap-ish places to stay |
| 13:28.37 | Leeds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chungking_Mansion |
| 13:33.52 | Leeds | it's a safe enough place to go into during the day, or on the lower floors, but I'd feel uncomfortable in there at night or high up |
| 13:36.21 | pie_ | Looks nice... |
| 13:36.50 | Leeds | http://www.frommers.com/destinations/hongkong/0078024490.html |
| 13:37.27 | keithlard | does anyone use lyris? |
| 13:39.04 | keithlard | or unixodbc? |
| 13:39.29 | Leeds | I've used unixodbc a bit |
| 13:39.39 | keithlard | aha! |
| 13:39.43 | Cope | :) |
| 13:40.24 | keithlard | ah, Mr Cope, I've been expecting you |
| 13:40.33 | Leeds | and now I have to, uh... go, escape, go over here for a bit... :-) |
| 13:41.55 | Leeds | smoking is bad for you |
| 13:42.07 | Leeds | did you have a question or what? |
| 13:42.16 | keithlard | sign in a restaurant: "If you are smoking, we will assume you are on fire, and take the appropriate action." :) |
| 13:43.13 | keithlard | no not reely... i just have to install it so i want that warm supportive feeling of having helpful glluggers around me :) |
| 13:45.02 | Leeds | ah... well, it does do what it says on the box |
| 13:45.39 | keithlard | comedy picture of me: http://keithlard.livejournal.com/ |
| 13:48.06 | Leeds | in the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie |
| 13:49.37 | keithlard | actually it was wiltshire, but i suppose the differences are negligible |
| 13:49.42 | mozrat | keithlard: are you driving that rather kewl sports car? |
| 13:50.09 | keithlard | no - i'm standing nearby looking jellus :) |
| 13:53.13 | z00dax | anyone run linux on a niagra as yet ? |
| 13:53.17 | mozrat | ah |
| 13:53.19 | z00dax | humm.. rephrasing... |
| 13:53.28 | z00dax | anyone used / worked on a naigra as yet ? |
| 13:57.28 | z00dax | i guess not :) |
| 13:57.45 | keithlard | what is it? |
| 13:58.44 | Cope | Has anyone genstooped a furtbesum using the antidwaldling widget? |
| 13:58.58 | z00dax | keithlard: sun's intel+amd killer... the niagra chip ? |
| 13:59.11 | keithlard | nice! |
| 13:59.25 | keithlard | well i'm surprised you haven't got one already ;) |
| 13:59.53 | z00dax | i dont :( |
| 14:00.04 | keithlard | can you change configure options with a source rpm, or do you have to just build from source tarball? |
| 14:00.12 | z00dax | keithlard: not to worry, my birthday is just around the bend. and I *do* accept advance gifts |
| 14:00.28 | pie_ | Huh huh, tits |
| 14:00.29 | keithlard | when is it |
| 14:00.42 | z00dax | keithlard: 4th Sept |
| 14:00.55 | keithlard | oho |
| 14:01.16 | mozrat | z00dax: thats a few corners yet |
| 14:02.01 | Leeds | mmm... saag paneer |
| 14:02.08 | keithlard | i'll start saving a penny a week, and by september the action of compound interest will have increased it to several hundred pounds, so i can buy you a niagara |
| 14:02.14 | keithlard | ...i hope |
| 14:04.10 | z00dax | i hear the ukranian markets are doing well... double money in 12 - 18 days .... and they accept USD investments in stock |
| 14:12.25 | z00dax | i seem to have a really flaky connx |
| 14:13.12 | cbz | Heh |
| 14:13.24 | TimMagic | ibot change 150 HKD to GBP |
| 14:13.37 | TimMagic | or leeds can do it if hes quick enough |
| 14:13.47 | cbz | yuh - getting paid in loans in hyperinflating currency is not an uncommon dodge |
| 14:14.31 | TimMagic | ibot change 300000 HKD to GBP |
| 14:17.18 | TimMagic | ooh i might buy an apartment in HK |
| 14:17.21 | TimMagic | they are cheap |
| 14:18.24 | Leeds | TimMagic: uh, those figures are a) for a nasty part of town and b) rather out-of-date |
| 14:20.17 | z00dax | my adsl just re-sunc'ed at 3.8mb downstream |
| 14:20.30 | wethrin | yay? |
| 14:20.41 | z00dax | it was 7992 a few minutes back |
| 14:20.48 | z00dax | 7.6mb ? |
| 14:26.33 | wethrin | ahh |
| 14:26.35 | wethrin | boo hiss |
| 14:27.03 | keithlard | ibot does google searches as well doesn't he? |
| 14:27.13 | wethrin | ~google ibot |
| 14:28.01 | Leeds | mozrat: you've got a commie comedian coming to talk to GLLUG? |
| 14:28.09 | Cope | Leeds: George? |
| 14:29.08 | mozrat | Leeds: I thought that when I saw his name |
| 14:29.10 | Leeds | nope |
| 14:29.15 | mozrat | He was in the Young Ones a few times |
| 14:29.53 | Leeds | I would guess he's absolutely sick of jokes being make about it |
| 14:30.10 | Leeds | uh, made |
| 14:30.57 | George | ? |
| 14:31.24 | Cope | d |
| 14:33.44 | z00dax | my 8meg adsl is now running at 1.3mb downlink |
| 14:33.47 | keithlard | ibot search google for curry |
| 14:33.56 | keithlard | baah |
| 14:34.12 | George | z00dax: lol |
| 14:34.19 | z00dax | and from the sounds of it, the rain is back |
| 14:35.16 | George | ibot search google for keithlard |
| 14:35.42 | George | nope, ibot's google search appears to be broken |
| 14:37.08 | keithlard | graah |
| 14:37.52 | wethrin | Web browsers suck |
| 14:38.03 | z00dax | yeah, real men do it over telnet |
| 14:38.11 | wethrin | OOK! |
| 14:38.29 | George | aparently 3 weeks until I get 16mbit |
| 14:39.12 | z00dax | George: adsl2 ? what isp ? |
| 14:39.20 | George | bulldog |
| 14:39.33 | z00dax | are you sure there's no . in there ? |
| 14:39.38 | z00dax | like 1.6mb ? |
| 14:40.30 | mozrat | ibot google George Wright |
| 14:40.43 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
| 14:41.18 | keithlard | well if it worked i would do 'ibot search google for 150 HKD in pounds' |
| 14:42.13 | Cope | why would you do that? |
| 14:43.15 | z00dax | to audit xe.com's quotes |
| 14:43.51 | murb | z00dax: are you an xe customer? |
| 14:44.14 | z00dax | murb: nope :) |
| 14:44.55 | z00dax | where does google get the quotes ? what are the chances that its sourced via xe anyway |
| 14:46.05 | z00dax | humm google earth for linux.... |
| 14:47.55 | z00dax | :) |
| 14:48.06 | George | z00yes, I'm sure |
| 14:48.15 | George | z00dax: adsl2+ at 16mbit downstream, 1mbit upstream |
| 14:48.52 | z00dax | bulldog sold me, then tried for 2 months to get to me a 2mb/256kb line - in Aug - Nov 2004 |
| 14:49.01 | z00dax | finally offered me a 512kb/256kb line |
| 14:49.20 | keithlard | z00dax> it's good, but it crashes a bit |
| 14:49.46 | keithlard | rain! :) |
| 14:50.00 | z00dax | keithlard: ah, at least its not a wrap'd-in-wine'd windhuze app |
| 14:52.02 | George | wow torrential rain |
| 14:52.24 | mozrat | yes, here too |
| 14:55.46 | cbz | Heh SOA |
| 14:55.57 | cbz | Are those chaps people who come here, mozrat? |
| 14:58.36 | mozrat | cbz: whats that? |
| 14:58.45 | cbz | The chaps who are doing the SOA talk |
| 14:59.15 | mozrat | Not sure - I've heard of Richard Cottrill from the mailing list a few times |
| 14:59.32 | mozrat | I don't know if he does IRC |
| 14:59.43 | cbz | Okay |
| 14:59.50 | mozrat | TEA! |
| 15:01.13 | wethrin | Tea? |
| 15:01.31 | wethrin | There's no rain up here! |
| 15:05.38 | TimMagic | its chuckin it down here |
| 15:07.02 | boudiccas | no rain in maidstone |
| 15:07.22 | boudiccas | TimMagic; wheres 'here'? |
| 15:13.19 | TimMagic | edgware |
| 15:16.19 | boudiccas | TimMagic; ty :) rest day for you? |
| 15:18.39 | antiphase | It's very dark and rainy in Holborn |
| 15:19.17 | mozrat | It's raining frogs and locusts in Paddington |
| 15:21.34 | TimMagic | boudiccas: yeah |
| 15:21.47 | TimMagic | off ti lfirday |
| 15:22.04 | TimMagic | s/ti lfirday/til friday/ |
| 15:25.04 | boudiccas | TimMagic; lets hope that the weather improves for you then :) |
| 15:25.27 | boudiccas | mozrat; gather them while you can, they're your tea tonight! :)))) |
| 15:26.10 | boudiccas | I'm convinced that Miadstone has a micro-climate, totally different from the surrounding areas |
| 15:26.36 | keithlard | :) |
| 15:26.44 | boudiccas | *maidstone |
| 15:27.10 | mozrat | boudiccas: I've eaten worse :-) |
| 15:27.21 | boudiccas | compo rations :) |
| 15:28.07 | boudiccas | raw potatoes and polo mints spring to mind |
| 15:28.32 | *** join/#gllug eyore (n=eeyore@84-43-28-203.ppp.onetel.net.uk) |
| 15:29.55 | George | FLOOBLE |
| 15:31.09 | eyore | hi |
| 15:32.18 | eyore | i'm on holiday from tomorrow. looks like th weather just turned nice |
| 15:34.54 | eyore | and ubuntu dies horribly |
| 15:36.10 | eyore | was there something i read somewhere about burning ISOs under linux |
| 15:36.25 | eyore | something about needing to touch a wild goat whilst reciting the lords prayer backwards or the CD is corrupted |
| 15:36.41 | keithlard | "specify type of goat" |
| 15:37.10 | eyore | i don't quite remember |
| 15:37.11 | eyore | i just remember one copy of fedora i burnt didn't work until i did something odd like |
| 15:37.24 | eyore | I think it was specify some commandline option in grub actually |
| 15:38.27 | keithlard | i don't usually have any problems with k3b... are you having trouble making the iso bootable? |
| 15:38.53 | eyore | it boots then fails |
| 15:38.54 | eyore | with an IO error |
| 15:38.57 | eyore | i tried reducing write speed |
| 15:39.00 | eyore | this problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1115577 |
| 15:39.44 | eyore | i used k3b |
| 15:39.48 | keithlard | graaah |
| 15:41.21 | keithlard | is the checksum on the iso good? |
| 15:41.45 | eyore | k3b ok'd it |
| 15:41.52 | eyore | this is my second burn |
| 15:42.54 | keithlard | can you boot other bootable isos ok? |
| 15:43.14 | eyore | yes |
| 15:43.24 | eyore | fedora for example |
| 15:43.41 | eyore | this is failing mainly as it tries to go from grub to linux |
| 15:43.50 | eyore | though once it started booting linux and failed |
| 15:44.35 | keithlard | yes... if it is an isolinux problem it could be complaining about your cd drive or bios, but if you're booting other isolinux discs i don't see why this one should break |
| 15:45.00 | keithlard | got another machine to try it with? |
| 15:45.22 | eyore | linux ide=nodma |
| 15:45.31 | eyore | that was what i did once for a fedora cd |
| 15:47.54 | eyore | is there an easy way to md5 the whole CD from the commandline |
| 15:48.13 | mozrat | eyore: the ISO image or the contents of the CD? |
| 15:48.22 | eyore | the whole cd |
| 15:48.30 | keithlard | find /path/to/cdrom -type f -exec md5sum {} \; | awk '{print $1"\r"}' | sort | md5sum |
| 15:48.31 | eyore | the iso was definately ok |
| 15:48.36 | mozrat | you'd have to do each file. It's easy but slow |
| 15:48.58 | keithlard | well i just pinched that off the sophos website... try it |
| 15:49.19 | mozrat | and what are you going to compare it against? |
| 15:49.23 | keithlard | i don't know whether it's the same scheme |
| 15:50.08 | eyore | /media/Ubuntu\ 6.06\ i386/md5sum.txt |
| 15:50.33 | keithlard | you could use the verify option in k3b to check the disc integrity |
| 15:51.35 | eyore | will install k3b on my desktop machine |
| 15:51.59 | eyore | actually maybe the cd is corrupt |
| 15:52.09 | keithlard | :( |
| 15:52.15 | eyore | my attempt to md5 the files is failing |
| 15:52.31 | eyore | ok yum is now installing the whole of kde |
| 15:52.34 | keithlard | can you read the whole disc with 'dd' without any errors? |
| 15:53.07 | wethrin | You'll grow out of it :) |
| 15:53.10 | keithlard | you could also mount the iso with mount -o loop and see if it looks ok |
| 15:53.19 | eyore | btw gparted is really good if anyone needs to resize ntfs partitions. |
| 15:53.37 | eyore | bootCD with graphical thing and didn't corrupt my ntfs |
| 15:54.58 | keithlard | i did that with $GIRLFRIEND's laptop in order to install knoppix :) |
| 15:55.12 | George | eww. |
| 15:55.15 | keithlard | worked real well - i think it was the System Rescue ISO |
| 15:55.19 | keithlard | i always keep one of those handy now |
| 15:55.31 | keithlard | george> i was young and foolish... |
| 15:56.07 | Leeds | I feel old and foolish now |
| 15:56.13 | George | I'm young. so ner. |
| 15:57.12 | Leeds | it's a song... |
| 15:58.18 | eyore | how do i verify a disk using k3b? |
| 15:58.54 | keithlard | well normally when you burn it there is a checkbox for 'verify after writing' or something like that. i don't know if you can verify an existing disc against an ISO, but perhaps you can |
| 15:59.05 | eyore | no you can't :) |
| 15:59.11 | eyore | pretty sure i did verify after writing |
| 15:59.13 | eyore | ok disk 3 |
| 15:59.20 | eyore | it's so 1990's |
| 15:59.23 | rhowe | keithlard: Should be able to do "cmp /dev/foo /path/to/file.iso" |
| 15:59.44 | eyore | hmm |
| 16:00.42 | keithlard | thanks rhowe :) |
| 16:00.47 | keithlard | congratulicious by the way |
| 16:02.45 | keithlard | lots of floppies... |
| 16:02.57 | wethrin | (but then, I remember it too) |
| 16:03.02 | wethrin | I do have NT 3.1 on CD and floppies |
| 16:03.28 | keithlard | windows for workgroups... now with shiny new TCP/IP functionality! gasp! |
| 16:03.45 | wethrin | yay winsock! |
| 16:04.56 | keithlard | gopher via telnet! |
| 16:05.06 | Leeds | but really I'm not actually your friend, but I am |
| 16:05.38 | keithlard | leeds> is this the contemporary soundtrack, like 'the rock'n'roll years'? :) |
| 16:05.40 | Leeds | streaming world cup video... as ascii art over telnet: http://ascii-wm.net/ |
| 16:05.50 | Leeds | keithlard: well, it's appropriate :-) |
| 16:07.31 | Leeds | it's a brand new record for 1990, They Might Be Giants brand new album Flood... |
| 16:07.50 | eyore | leeds: too many connection |
| 16:07.56 | eyore | shame - that must be class |
| 16:08.15 | Leeds | yeah :-( |
| 16:08.24 | keithlard | the star wars animation as an ascii art text file! hold down 'PgDn'! |
| 16:08.30 | eyore | cmp: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error |
| 16:08.36 | eyore | i guess that answeres that one |
| 16:09.16 | keithlard | that's what we doctors call 'discus fuctatus' |
| 16:12.46 | eyore | bah - a bug |
| 16:12.55 | eyore | always i find one at 5:20 |
| 16:13.07 | wethrin | You're early today, then! |
| 16:13.12 | eyore | heh |
| 16:13.40 | Leeds | bedtime... |
| 16:13.51 | keithlard | night night! |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#gllug djw (i=dan@unaffiliated/djw) |
| 16:17.04 | wethrin | djw! |
| 16:19.27 | djw | wethrin! |
| 16:19.35 | djw | wethrin: fancy bumping into you :p |
| 16:19.37 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 16:19.52 | wethrin | Yeah! |
| 16:20.14 | wethrin | djw: Coming to Bletchley Park? |
| 16:20.22 | djw | um, when? |
| 16:20.34 | wethrin | 9th July |
| 16:24.43 | eyore | Oyrgpuyrl cnex ebkbef! |
| 16:25.44 | bagpuss | umm, yes, it does |
| 16:25.52 | keithlard | ibot rot13 Oyrgpuyrl cnex ebkbef |
| 16:25.52 | ibot | Bletchley park roxors |
| 16:26.02 | bagpuss | why was it necessary to encrypt that? |
| 16:26.22 | eyore | amusement |
| 16:26.24 | wethrin | And why didn't you use an Enigma cipher? |
| 16:26.41 | djw | that would involve hard work |
| 16:26.44 | mozrat | bagpuss: if you couldn't decrypt that sentence I'm afraid you aren't allowed into Bletchley Park |
| 16:26.44 | eyore | quite |
| 16:26.47 | bagpuss | enigma is overkill |
| 16:26.53 | murb | wethrin: too many settings! |
| 16:27.17 | wethrin | True, but finding out those settings is da bomb :) |
| 16:27.21 | bagpuss | mozrat: there was a time (back when I read a lot of usenet) when I could rot13 natively :) |
| 16:27.31 | keithlard | crypt would do it |
| 16:27.32 | bagpuss | wethrin: hehe |
| 16:27.34 | eyore | you don't need to admit that |
| 16:28.12 | eyore | :) |
| 16:28.15 | wethrin | crypt is one-way, though, isn't it? |
| 16:28.39 | bagpuss | yes |
| 16:28.43 | bagpuss | it's basically a hash |
| 16:29.00 | keithlard | crypt implements a simple enigma machine |
| 16:29.01 | wethrin | So isn't much use for sending messages |
| 16:29.28 | keithlard | it is a symmetric cipher, so encrypting and decrypting are the same operation |
| 16:29.59 | djw | Eei ws gne adwa ws abrba glewa fjao? |
| 16:30.26 | bagpuss | crypt()? |
| 16:31.56 | djw | just the one time pad I have in my pocket |
| 16:32.09 | wethrin | Oh, you're not pleased to see us? |
| 16:32.23 | djw | the spaces aren't encoded :p |
| 16:33.38 | eyore | yay green bar, test passing. |
| 16:33.44 | eyore | i may get to go home afterall |
| 16:35.48 | eyore | I've started playing with ruby |
| 16:36.04 | eyore | 7.times { print "foo" } |
| 16:36.18 | eyore | what kind of crazy logic is it to put looping on the integer object. |
| 16:36.28 | eyore | funky though. |
| 16:36.29 | bagpuss | eyore: it's smalltalk through and through |
| 16:36.42 | bagpuss | looping is a method of Integer |
| 16:36.51 | bagpuss | umm, SmallInteger IIRC |
| 16:37.27 | bagpuss | myInt timesRepeat [ "some block of code" ] |
| 16:37.30 | eyore | but logically is looping justifiably a function of integer objects |
| 16:37.32 | bagpuss | something close to that anyway |
| 16:37.45 | eyore | haven't used smalltalk much |
| 16:37.49 | bagpuss | eyore: in a very pure OO, where else would you put it? |
| 16:38.06 | eyore | I believe though ruby is a bit lacking on the metaclass front when compared to smalltalk |
| 16:38.18 | bagpuss | if you accept that everything is a function of some object, where would looping fit? |
| 16:38.25 | keithlard | ooh ruby! |
| 16:38.25 | eyore | point taken |
| 16:38.57 | eyore | I has a play with self a while back |
| 16:39.00 | eyore | that was even more OO |
| 16:39.12 | eyore | that didn't quite come out as i inteded |
| 16:39.20 | bagpuss | :) |
| 16:39.21 | eyore | pretend self has quotation marks |
| 16:39.24 | keithlard | eyore> have you read 'the ruby way'? |
| 16:39.30 | bagpuss | pretty much every OO langauge has a self, or this or whatever |
| 16:39.42 | eyore | i mean a language called "self" |
| 16:39.46 | eyore | it was very pure OO |
| 16:39.48 | keithlard | IMO it's far better than the pickaxe book, if you already know how to program in other languages |
| 16:39.50 | bagpuss | oh, I hadn't seen that |
| 16:39.54 | eyore | significantly more than ruby |
| 16:40.04 | eyore | you wrote objects directly, not classes |
| 16:40.40 | keithlard | you can write anonymous singletons in ruby... i don't know if there's much point though |
| 16:40.41 | eyore | was little more than a research project though |
| 16:40.58 | eyore | I actually like the idea of doing away with classes |
| 16:41.03 | bagpuss | really? |
| 16:41.08 | eyore | and having the whole enviroment live |
| 16:41.12 | bagpuss | classes are the reason OO is so useful |
| 16:41.20 | eyore | not sure that's true |
| 16:41.26 | keithlard | OO isn't everything though |
| 16:41.32 | bagpuss | "is a" is a massively useful way to think about a problem |
| 16:41.49 | eyore | the main problem with the live environment and getting rid of classes and the "new" hack |
| 16:42.09 | eyore | is you end up having to implement some kind of snapshot system like smalltalk |
| 16:42.34 | eyore | you can still say "is a" without classes |
| 16:42.44 | bagpuss | how? |
| 16:43.09 | bagpuss | how can I say "orange is a Fruit" unless I have a Fruit class? |
| 16:43.36 | keithlard | you can say 'orange implements Eatable' :) |
| 16:43.38 | cbz | There are OO languages/styles where 'is a' doesn't really convey much information/or make much sense. |
| 16:43.44 | bagpuss | without classes, you lose all three of the things which make OO OO |
| 16:44.04 | eyore | not at all |
| 16:44.05 | bagpuss | keithlard: so have everything interfaces? |
| 16:44.06 | cbz | unless you mean 'supports the message Foo' |
| 16:44.21 | eyore | don't instantiate a new object from a class |
| 16:44.30 | cbz | Which is effectively what smalltalk and python end up doing. |
| 16:44.32 | eyore | just use an existing object as a prototype |
| 16:45.34 | bagpuss | so you're merely hiding the class? |
| 16:45.40 | cbz | No. |
| 16:45.42 | eyore | no |
| 16:46.05 | eyore | prototypical language inherit properties by following a chain of prototype objects rather than following a chain of classes |
| 16:46.15 | bagpuss | insetad of saying "new Class()" you're saying "someObject.whateverClassYouAre().newInstance()"? |
| 16:46.21 | eyore | The prototypes are objects though, not classes |
| 16:46.43 | bagpuss | this really doesn't sound like OO to me |
| 16:46.51 | eyore | It's more OO |
| 16:46.56 | eyore | there is *only* objects |
| 16:47.01 | eyore | atleast visible to the user. |
| 16:47.09 | eyore | it can be implemented underneath in a variety of ways |
| 16:47.15 | bagpuss | okay, so what of encapsulation, polymorphism and inheritance? |
| 16:47.33 | bagpuss | the three things that pretty much define OO (for me anyway) |
| 16:47.38 | cbz | What of them? |
| 16:47.42 | eyore | what of them? |
| 16:47.43 | eyore | heh |
| 16:47.48 | bagpuss | how do they work if you don't have classes? |
| 16:48.03 | bagpuss | polymorphism and inheritence specifically |
| 16:48.09 | cbz | Why do they need to work, and what do you mean 'they won't work' ? |
| 16:48.26 | bagpuss | cbz: because they define what OO is (pretty much) |
| 16:48.33 | cbz | Then so much for OO |
| 16:48.38 | bagpuss | and I didn't say "they won't work", I am asking how they can work |
| 16:48.56 | eyore | inheritence just looks at parent objects for methods that aren't available on a child. |
| 16:48.59 | bagpuss | what you are describing sounds interesting, but (IMO) it's not OO |
| 16:49.00 | eyore | EG, it's identical |
| 16:49.34 | eyore | polymorphism works in the same way as usual |
| 16:49.49 | eyore | in a dynamic language (which self is) a message is dispatched and resolved in the usual way |
| 16:49.52 | cbz | With the exception that all polymorphism needs to mean is 'does this message work' |
| 16:50.01 | bagpuss | how can you subclass if you don't chave classes? |
| 16:50.21 | keithlard | "Install unixODBC by running the following commands: |
| 16:50.21 | keithlard | sed -i "s/void yyerror/#define YY_FLUSH_BUFFER\n\n&/" sqp/lex.l && ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/unixodbc --enable-ltdllib --enable-fdb --disable-gui && make" |
| 16:50.45 | eyore | you create an object which inherits from another object |
| 16:51.01 | cbz | Object = OldObject.new(); + // some magic which adds a function to Object |
| 16:51.03 | morsing | Chek it! |
| 16:51.12 | eyore | probably both objects are used as prototypes |
| 16:51.22 | bagpuss | sounds awkward to me |
| 16:51.28 | bagpuss | maybe I just need to read up more on it |
| 16:51.35 | eyore | It's conceptually simpler |
| 16:51.37 | cbz | Yuh - you are still thinking in the old paradigm. |
| 16:51.38 | cbz | ;) |
| 16:51.54 | bagpuss | cbz: that's my main point |
| 16:52.00 | eyore | there are problems in reality since classes are used as a way of bootstrapping a system on run |
| 16:52.05 | cbz | And now it's time to go home and play the guitar. |
| 16:52.11 | eyore | you need a way to save a snapshot of your system |
| 16:52.11 | bagpuss | cbz: what you are describing is interesting, but it is NOT (IMO) the OO paradigm :) |
| 16:52.31 | cbz | It is not what some people say the OO Paradigm is. |
| 16:52.40 | bagpuss | "some"? |
| 16:52.57 | cbz | Some |
| 16:53.02 | eyore | "some" people who have got very used to class based rather than prototypical based OO programming |
| 16:53.14 | bagpuss | a paradigm is a way of thinking. It's not the way I think about objects |
| 16:53.16 | cbz | Read this http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262561158 |
| 16:53.25 | bagpuss | I'd wager it's not the way most coders who write OO think about them |
| 16:53.37 | eyore | Think about the running system |
| 16:53.38 | antiphase | OO programming is for people that don't know how computers work |
| 16:53.39 | bagpuss | so I'd say it was a different paradigm to what most coders mean by OO |
| 16:53.53 | eyore | now development and production are much more similar |
| 16:53.55 | cbz | OO as a paradigm was invented to cope with shit programmers. |
| 16:53.59 | eyore | also debugging/development is live |
| 16:54.13 | cbz | OO and paradigm are in inverted quotes above. |
| 16:54.19 | eyore | you no longer have artificial distinctions between run, compile, debug |
| 16:54.54 | keithlard | i like ruby because it is fun :) |
| 16:54.59 | bagpuss | eyore: and people who develop in a production system get *burnt*... |
| 16:55.16 | SlayerXP | i think all programmers should have to take a mandatory course in assembler before being allowed to use anything else |
| 16:55.18 | wethrin | An interactive event-driven system is often better to write in an OO language than a procedural one |
| 16:55.31 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Agreed |
| 16:55.35 | bagpuss | and I reject the idea that the distinctions between develop/debug/production are "artificial" |
| 16:55.50 | bagpuss | wethrin: very true |
| 16:55.53 | SlayerXP | write a BODMAS compatible 4 operation calaculator. thanks. |
| 16:56.04 | wethrin | Mmmm....parse trees |
| 16:56.22 | bagpuss | SlayerXP: not RPN? (RPN is almost trivial :) |
| 16:56.42 | wethrin | RPN on a system that doesn't have a stack |
| 16:56.45 | eyore | bagpuss: you don't develop in production, i just meant you can run your running local system can be identical to production whilst you develop |
| 16:57.19 | eyore | you don't need to keep starting and stopping to get the classes to reload and get recreated as objects |
| 16:57.33 | eyore | if you change an object method in the prototype then it's changed |
| 16:57.37 | bagpuss | eyore: that's standard though. If I develop something new for a running system, I *start* with a system that's identical to the running system. How is this new thinking in any way? |
| 16:57.45 | bagpuss | oh |
| 16:57.57 | bagpuss | that's spurious |
| 16:57.57 | eyore | no need to recompile, restart, re-instantiate from a class |
| 16:58.45 | bagpuss | back 20 years ago when I started programming and compiling something might take a couple of hours, it would have been useful. Now I don't even *notice* how long it takes to build a project it's that quick... |
| 16:59.25 | eyore | yes but I still frequently have to restart in java due to limited hotswap and i can't really develop the system reliably whilst it's running locally |
| 16:59.46 | bagpuss | I'd say that rather than the build cycle being "artificial", it's your dissatisfaction with it that needs examination for a real problem :) |
| 16:59.51 | eyore | even with micro-compilation and hotswap it's a world apart |
| 17:00.04 | *** join/#gllug angelchild (n=Catalyst@jamesmorse.plus.com) |
| 17:00.06 | eyore | ok |
| 17:00.08 | wethrin | AC! |
| 17:00.22 | bagpuss | anyway, hometime |
| 17:00.28 | bagpuss | nice arguing with you :) |
| 17:00.35 | eyore | later |
| 17:01.49 | eyore | I still reckon abandoning classes and just having objects is cleaner than having objects with classes, and those classes being represented by singleton objects-classes |
| 17:01.53 | eyore | in theory atleast |
| 17:02.42 | angelchild | wethrin! |
| 17:02.58 | wethrin | angelchild: Were you coming to Bletchley? |
| 17:03.03 | angelchild | hmm? |
| 17:03.21 | TimMagic | leeds: how much would a HK apartment cost me? |
| 17:03.26 | eyore | javascript is also prototype based. But I thought it might weaken my argument if I mentioned javascript. |
| 17:03.33 | wethrin | angelchild: 9th July. Fun WW2 stuff |
| 17:03.56 | murb | wethrin: oh a flypast? |
| 17:04.05 | angelchild | is that a weekend? |
| 17:04.26 | wethrin | murb: Yeah |
| 17:04.28 | wethrin | angelchild: Yeah. Sunday |
| 17:04.52 | angelchild | could do I suppose |
| 17:05.06 | wethrin | Rarrrr! |
| 17:05.15 | wethrin | Will you be coming from Soton, or Amersham? |
| 17:05.37 | angelchild | Soton |
| 17:05.48 | mozrat | Hometime - g'night all |
| 17:05.52 | wethrin | nn mozrat |
| 17:05.53 | angelchild | in* |
| 17:06.02 | angelchild | bye mozrat |
| 17:06.10 | wethrin | Commuting from Soton? |
| 17:09.41 | TimMagic | leaters wethrin |
| 17:09.49 | TimMagic | s/leaters/laters |
| 17:10.16 | SlayerXP | i ned to smuggle a litre of norwegian moonshine into the uk |
| 17:10.18 | SlayerXP | need |
| 17:10.40 | SlayerXP | they think it's about 75% alcohol |
| 17:10.43 | TimMagic | define smuggle |
| 17:10.46 | TimMagic | and moonshine |
| 17:10.49 | SlayerXP | import illegally |
| 17:10.58 | SlayerXP | stuff that's about 75% alcohol |
| 17:10.58 | TimMagic | why illegally? |
| 17:11.08 | SlayerXP | anything over 60 counts as drug smuggling |
| 17:11.12 | TimMagic | if its for personal use |
| 17:11.29 | eyore | sounds deadly |
| 17:11.36 | SlayerXP | well, I personally plan to make one or two people very very drunk indeed. |
| 17:11.47 | angelchild | ooh, ooh! me me! |
| 17:11.48 | SlayerXP | does that count as "personal use"? :) |
| 17:12.35 | SlayerXP | i added a thinblefull to a tin of beer, and i'm already feeling the effects |
| 17:12.38 | eyore | i've done a google |
| 17:12.39 | TimMagic | When travelling from a non-EU country (including the Canary Islands, the Channel islands and Gibraltar) you can bring the following into the UK for your own use without paying UK tax or duty: |
| 17:12.39 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.39 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.39 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.39 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.41 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.44 | TimMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.47 | eyore | "highly illegal and very bad tasting" |
| 17:12.52 | eyore | :) |
| 17:13.10 | TimMagic | 1 litre of anything over 22% |
| 17:13.19 | SlayerXP | TimMagic: the quantity isn't so much the problem, more the % alcohol |
| 17:13.29 | SlayerXP | i think there's an upper limit |
| 17:13.46 | eyore | claim ignorance? |
| 17:13.53 | eyore | that's what i do in most circumstances |
| 17:14.33 | TimMagic | ok |
| 17:15.28 | eyore | And if they say "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" like in Paddington Bear |
| 17:15.34 | eyore | then claim ignorance about that too |
| 17:15.44 | eyore | it's an almost flawless defence. |
| 17:15.57 | TimMagic | ah max 60% proof |
| 17:15.57 | keithlard | maybe you can polymerise it, like people bringing in cocaine polymerised into car headlights |
| 17:16.18 | SlayerXP | it's not like i have evil intentions |
| 17:16.24 | eyore | or you could put it in little plastic bags and swallow them. |
| 17:16.25 | eyore | maybe not |
| 17:16.37 | eyore | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.45 | eyore | pretty evil i reckon |
| 17:17.00 | SlayerXP | that's not evil |
| 17:17.06 | SlayerXP | that's..... mischevious |
| 17:17.08 | eyore | at 60% proof that is probably close to manslaughter |
| 17:17.08 | TimMagic | boil it a bit |
| 17:17.23 | eyore | just open the lid for a while lol |
| 17:17.29 | SlayerXP | and aste perfectly good alcohol, are you insane? |
| 17:17.33 | SlayerXP | waste |
| 17:17.34 | TimMagic | and bring it in two bottles - one 59% proof, one 16% proof |
| 17:18.07 | TimMagic | whats the stuff called anyway |
| 17:18.08 | TimMagic | ? |
| 17:18.49 | SlayerXP | TimMagic: it's raw spirit. distilled by a local farmer |
| 17:18.55 | TimMagic | ok |
| 17:19.16 | TimMagic | my professional opinion: dont do it! |
| 17:19.23 | SlayerXP | noted. |
| 17:19.31 | TimMagic | my actual opinion: dont get caught |
| 17:19.38 | SlayerXP | yes, that was my gut feeling too |
| 17:20.11 | eyore | difficult one, cos if it's mislabelled then its clear you know what you are doing |
| 17:20.23 | eyore | but if it isn't labelled then you may arouse suspicion |
| 17:20.25 | TimMagic | though, and this is a mere technicality, i looked on the HM customs website and there was no mention of any upper limit |
| 17:20.57 | SlayerXP | i've been through airports 20, maybe 30 times in the past year and I've never ever been checked. |
| 17:21.20 | eyore | first time for everything :) |
| 17:21.23 | SlayerXP | we had visitors from france |
| 17:21.40 | SlayerXP | they bought perhaps 25 litres of wine and spirits with them |
| 17:21.52 | SlayerXP | the airport staff helped them carry it to my car |
| 17:22.11 | TimMagic | the rules are different for eu exports |
| 17:22.18 | SlayerXP | nah |
| 17:22.25 | SlayerXP | 2 litres wine, 1 litre spirits |
| 17:22.49 | TimMagic | http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageTravel_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD_010220&propertyType=document |
| 17:22.56 | SlayerXP | anyway, if I get caught, I'll just say that you said it was okay |
| 17:22.57 | TimMagic | hm customs advice |
| 17:23.13 | TimMagic | yeah and you know my name... |
| 17:23.17 | TimMagic | george wright |
| 17:24.19 | SlayerXP | the household good import declaration form is great |
| 17:24.44 | SlayerXP | i have a box roughly 3cm by 2.5cm into which I have to list all the types and quantities of perfume I'm bringing in |
| 17:24.55 | SlayerXP | they have no fucking clue how much perfume your average woman keep |
| 17:24.56 | SlayerXP | s |
| 17:30.35 | TimMagic | lol |
| 17:30.46 | TimMagic | just write "lots" |
| 17:30.51 | TimMagic | congrats cope |
| 17:30.57 | Cope | ;) |
| 17:32.54 | TimMagic | pleasant journey? |
| 17:35.40 | TimMagic | slayerXP: have you got a lot of paperwork to do? |
| 17:36.49 | TimMagic | Prohibited goods are those banned completely. They include unlicensed drugs, offensive weapons, indecent and obscene material featuring children, pornographic material, counterfeit and pirated goods, meat, milk and other animal products. |
| 17:36.49 | TimMagic | Restricted goods are those which you cannot import without authority such as a licence. They include firearms, explosives and ammunition, live animals, endangered species, certain plants and their produce, and radio transmitters. |
| 17:37.01 | TimMagic | u have to leave your pr0n behind! |
| 17:38.06 | TimMagic | uh oh - five lines in a row again - another notch on my "tims a loser" tally! |
| 17:53.30 | George | TimMagic: fuck off and die |
| 17:54.26 | SlayerXP | Things Not To Say To A Man With Several Hundred Armed Friends |
| 17:54.40 | SlayerXP | George: did you need see what happened to those guys in forest gate |
| 17:54.47 | SlayerXP | you not, I mean |
| 17:54.58 | SlayerXP | that's what happens when people spill Tim's pint |
| 18:06.21 | angelchild | # I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts # |
| 18:14.15 | George | I'm getting a car :D |
| 18:14.37 | SlayerXP | oh good, something else we can laugh at |
| 18:15.07 | boudiccas | i thought uni students could only afford bicycles |
| 18:15.31 | George | I've already got a bike |
| 18:16.19 | boudiccas | have you learnt to ride it without the stabilisers on the rear wheel yet? |
| 18:16.36 | George | I don't have stabilisers |
| 18:16.44 | George | only stabilisers on my bow |
| 18:17.02 | boudiccas | congratulations! you must've been so pround when they were taken off :) |
| 18:17.07 | boudiccas | *proud |
| 18:17.08 | George | ... |
| 18:42.00 | *** part/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-117-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 18:47.58 | *** join/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-117-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
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| 19:19.13 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 19:24.07 | boudiccas | morsing! |
| 19:30.38 | cbz | unless anyone actually found an upper limit i don't believe it (re 60% alcohol above) |
| 19:31.28 | cbz | Otherwise you'd just stand in heathrow and arrest every german and austrian after checking their toiletries - chances are good that they carry some home made schnaps for medicinal purposes |
| 19:32.19 | morsing | George: Congratulations! |
| 19:32.58 | *** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 19:33.09 | morsing | Ok, who upset cbz? |
| 19:35.18 | boudiccas | not I said the pig! |
| 19:42.25 | George | morsing: I don't hav ea licence yet |
| 20:18.40 | George | oooh, if I do have a car by the time it's akademy, I might drive to ireland |
| 20:35.36 | Cope | |> h34r my l337 |\/|ul+1 =45k1|\|g 5k1llz |
| 20:35.39 | SlayerXP | "i H8 GRG 2" |
| 20:36.03 | George | oh dear gods |
| 20:36.06 | George | ewww |
| 20:36.11 | Cope | George: she wasn't being serious |
| 20:36.11 | George | SOs are evil and should be shot |
| 20:36.22 | antiphase | Shared Objects? |
| 20:36.38 | SlayerXP | Cope: george has me on ignore, ask him what he knows about car insurance. |
| 20:36.48 | SlayerXP | Cope: I'm betting he'll get Daddy to pay for it |
| 20:36.59 | Cope | George: how much do you reckon insureance will be? |
| 20:37.10 | George | ? |
| 20:37.28 | Cope | George: you know how much it costs for young drivers, yes? |
| 20:37.42 | George | no idea |
| 20:37.47 | George | don't really care |
| 20:37.48 | antiphase | 1 MILLION DOLLARS </Dr\. Evil> |
| 20:37.55 | Cope | George: how will you finance it? |
| 20:38.49 | cpufreak | Bank of Mum+Dad? :P |
| 20:39.01 | George | Cope: I'm not financing it |
| 20:40.33 | SlayerXP | this time next wekk, I will be back in the UK |
| 20:40.55 | cpufreak | can't you come in two weeks |
| 20:41.01 | cpufreak | to give me a chance to get out of the country |
| 20:41.02 | cpufreak | :) |
| 20:41.10 | SlayerXP | ye ye |
| 20:41.21 | Cope | SlayerXP: I will make time in my busy schedule to buy you a beer |
| 20:41.29 | Cope | SlayerXP: it will be splendid to see you |
| 20:41.31 | SlayerXP | Cope: do you owe me one? |
| 20:41.43 | Cope | SlayerXP: I think a celebratory beer is in order |
| 20:41.53 | SlayerXP | fair enough |
| 20:41.55 | Cope | ;) |
| 20:42.21 | SlayerXP | did I mentioned the exciting project I have in the $vapourpipeline ? |
| 20:42.24 | Cope | annoyingly it is 2K less than I had rememvered |
| 20:42.32 | Cope | SlayerXP: i dn't think so |
| 20:42.58 | SlayerXP | Cope: you recall I gave your quick tour of the yahoo DC? |
| 20:43.05 | Cope | yes |
| 20:43.12 | SlayerXP | 2 of those. |
| 20:43.22 | SlayerXP | except not yahoo |
| 20:43.47 | SlayerXP | meeting on the 22nd to decide once and for all if it will go ahead. |
| 20:43.56 | SlayerXP | and they want it online by october |
| 20:44.05 | SlayerXP | which means they should have started 6 weeks ago |
| 20:45.47 | Cope | That's the sort of challenge I would love to be involved in. |
| 20:47.23 | SlayerXP | vapourware right now |
| 20:47.48 | Cope | yeah |
| 20:48.18 | Cope | George: do you really have SlayerXP on ignore? |
| 20:48.57 | George | yes |
| 20:49.08 | SlayerXP | please don't say he should unblock me |
| 21:01.46 | mozrat | hello! |
| 21:04.16 | SlayerXP | mozzykins! |
| 21:09.21 | mozrat | hihi! |
| 21:11.08 | antiphase | print "Hello, world\n"; |
| 21:12.07 | mozrat | that'll do |
| 21:12.57 | antiphase | my $hello = "\ndlrow ,olleH"; print reverse $hello; |
| 21:12.59 | antiphase | Lesson 2 |
| 21:24.58 | mozrat | ibot botmail |
| 21:25.36 | mozrat | ibot botmail read |
| 21:26.09 | SlayerXP | Lesson 3: $line=~/\[$RE{net}{IPv4}{-keep}\]/; |
| 22:24.22 | TimMagic | george: fyi i have a good friend who carries one of these attached to his right thigh |
| 22:24.23 | TimMagic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK_17 |
| 22:24.43 | TimMagic | and one of these round his shoulder |
| 22:24.44 | TimMagic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP5 |
| 22:42.18 | TimMagic | lalala |
| 22:56.49 | rhowe | whee, Jia has her 2 year finite leave to remain :D |
| 22:58.15 | TimMagic | yay! |
| 22:58.22 | TimMagic | is that a good thing? |
| 22:59.12 | rhowe | heh, well it means that I'm guaranteed 2 years of living with my wife without interruption from immigration |
| 22:59.26 | rhowe | Maybe I'll be begging for them to take her away after a couple of months? :P |
| 23:01.21 | angelchild | :) |
| 23:14.09 | z00dax | hello |
| 23:15.20 | TimMagic | lol in that case |
| 23:15.23 | TimMagic | yay! |
| 23:15.32 | TimMagic | hey z00dax |
| 23:15.35 | TimMagic | u ok? |
| 23:15.52 | z00dax | mostly :) |
| 23:17.37 | z00dax | how are things with you |
| 23:23.49 | TimMagic | pretty good |
| 23:23.53 | TimMagic | bit tired |
| 23:24.02 | TimMagic | why only mostly? |
| 23:24.10 | TimMagic | why not totally? |
| 23:24.35 | rhowe | o.O @ BBC2 |
| 23:26.31 | TimMagic | ? |
| 23:27.44 | z00dax | TimMagic: spent 6 hrs in the car today and had to make anothe trip, this time by train, into the city |
| 23:29.33 | TimMagic | ouchie |
| 23:29.50 | TimMagic | this isnt good car weather |
| 23:30.14 | z00dax | nope :( |
| 23:30.26 | TimMagic | hmm |
| 23:30.37 | z00dax | my first trip started at 6:00am via the m25 - and i had to work through the massive m25 blockage this morning |
| 23:30.43 | z00dax | took me 3 hrs to get to heathrow |
| 23:31.12 | TimMagic | ooh dear |
| 23:31.25 | TimMagic | were you dropping off or pickin up? |
| 23:31.31 | z00dax | dropping off |
| 23:37.33 | TimMagic | eep |
| 23:37.45 | TimMagic | did your victim catch their flight? |
| 23:42.42 | z00dax | TimMagic: just about |
| 23:43.01 | z00dax | i dropped them at the departure gate - 25 min before ETD of the flight |
| 23:43.12 | z00dax | got a call 8 hrs later, to say they were at the other end, sans baggage |
| 23:43.20 | z00dax | which will fetch up 24 hrs later |
| 23:50.23 | George | argleflargh |
| 23:52.52 | angelchild | :o |
| 23:53.57 | George | heh, angelchild's on ignore :) |
| 23:54.11 | wethrin | Hm |
| 23:55.24 | George | wethrin: ? |
| 23:56.22 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 23:56.26 | wethrin | Ignore-- |
| 23:56.32 | George | wethrin: she's horrid |
| 23:56.55 | wethrin | not at all |
| 23:57.01 | wethrin | AC++ |
| 23:57.56 | George | no, she's absolutely ghastly |