| 00:00.37 | wethrin | You're wrong |
| 00:01.31 | z00dax | I've never met AC, so cant comment |
| 00:01.40 | z00dax | but i'd vote ++, if i had to vote |
| 00:01.45 | George | she's horrible. |
| 00:02.03 | wethrin | I've met AC |
| 00:03.57 | wethrin | I should also sleep |
| 00:04.03 | wethrin | The two statements are unrelated |
| 00:12.40 | George | angelchild is horrid. |
| 00:37.39 | angelchild | :o |
| 00:39.44 | z00dax | angelchild: are you horrible ? |
| 00:39.57 | angelchild | I don't think so |
| 00:40.00 | z00dax | is your first name Hagar ? |
| 00:40.05 | angelchild | no o_o |
| 00:40.16 | z00dax | ah well, thats sorted, your not horrible then |
| 00:40.23 | angelchild | oh, cool |
| 00:40.55 | z00dax | whatdayaknow... Hagar has his own page on wikipedia |
| 00:41.01 | z00dax | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagar_The_Horrible |
| 00:41.08 | z00dax | I really should be sleeping now |
| 00:46.28 | angelchild | that argument hardly ever persuades me to |
| 00:48.37 | z00dax | me neither |
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| 05:09.22 | morsing | 'morning |
| 05:11.03 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 05:56.54 | Leeds | morning morsing |
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| 06:09.59 | JAV | good morning |
| 06:11.29 | Leeds | hey JAV |
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| 06:27.48 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 06:27.54 | morsing | ping moz |
| 06:28.11 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:31.33 | morsing | Anyone going to the Linux conference? |
| 06:33.56 | Leeds | which one? |
| 06:38.50 | morsing | Leeds: The one this year! |
| 06:41.30 | Leeds | you mean the UKUUG one? |
| 06:50.01 | morsing | Yes |
| 06:51.10 | morsing | Leeds: You coming then? |
| 06:57.54 | Leeds | no |
| 07:08.59 | morsing | SlayerXP: You? |
| 07:13.03 | Leeds | hmm... apparently 15%-18% of the readers of the HK expat site I frequent are using Firefox |
| 07:16.43 | morsing | Why so low a number? |
| 07:16.52 | Leeds | that's not a low number... |
| 07:16.59 | morsing | Yes it is... |
| 07:17.22 | Leeds | why do you think so? |
| 07:18.20 | morsing | Well, considering the number of adequate browsers then surely 15% is low? Above 50% would be high(ish) |
| 07:18.46 | Leeds | in the real world anything about about 10% is pretty high |
| 07:19.03 | Leeds | this is a general-purpose, non-technical site, in a place where windows is ubiquitous |
| 07:19.09 | morsing | So with three to four browsers that would give 40%. What's te rest then? |
| 07:19.25 | morsing | Leeds: That's not what I said! |
| 07:19.53 | Leeds | what on earth are you talking about? |
| 07:20.12 | morsing | Well, how many useable (for everyone) browsers are there? |
| 07:20.28 | Leeds | 4, I would say: IE, firefox, opera and safari |
| 07:20.42 | morsing | And you're saying 10% is high? |
| 07:20.57 | Leeds | I'm saying that anything less than 90% IE is low |
| 07:21.16 | morsing | Leeds: That's not what you originally said though... |
| 07:21.20 | Leeds | do you really not understand what I'm saying? |
| 07:21.35 | morsing | Well, you've changed what you're saying |
| 07:21.42 | Leeds | of course I haven't! |
| 07:22.15 | morsing | You said 15% share for a browser was high . |
| 07:22.29 | Leeds | of course I didn't |
| 07:22.31 | morsing | Now you're saying: |
| 07:22.41 | morsing | < Leeds> I'm saying that anything less than 90% IE is low |
| 07:22.49 | Leeds | argh |
| 07:22.56 | morsing | 08:16 < morsing> Why so low a number? |
| 07:22.56 | morsing | 08:16 < Leeds> that's not a low number... |
| 07:23.04 | Leeds | please tell me you're joking - that you're messing me around on purpose |
| 07:23.17 | morsing | I'm not! 15% is *low*! |
| 07:23.27 | morsing | When there's only 4 browsers to chose from |
| 07:23.35 | Leeds | are you feeble-minded? |
| 07:23.44 | morsing | Fucktwat! |
| 07:23.56 | morsing | gethoper1: Help me out here! |
| 07:24.02 | morsing | SlayerXP: ? |
| 07:24.48 | Leeds | anyone with a brain out there? |
| 07:31.17 | Leeds | guess not |
| 07:32.03 | Leeds | morsing: do you really not get the concept that a couple of years ago, most sites would have seen about 97%+ IE, and that Firefox has been increasing share from 0% since then? |
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| 07:36.09 | Leeds | morning mozrat |
| 07:38.32 | mozrat | hello |
| 07:39.57 | Leeds | morsing: are you there? |
| 07:45.28 | Leeds | okay, so I can do a 3 day weekend in Singapore for under 200 quid, including flights... that's not bad |
| 07:45.42 | SlayerXP | was afk, someone wanted me? |
| 07:45.55 | Leeds | SlayerXP: read your scrollback |
| 07:46.19 | SlayerXP | i see morsing saying "?" but that's about it |
| 07:46.40 | Leeds | further back |
| 07:47.04 | SlayerXP | i don't have any more scrollback to scroll back into |
| 07:47.54 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 07:48.15 | morsing | Leeds: I'm back |
| 07:48.27 | morsing | Leeds: I *do* get that but that's not what you said! |
| 07:48.53 | Leeds | I'd assumed it was implied! of course browser share isn't equal |
| 07:49.01 | rhowe | yay |
| 07:49.05 | morsing | mozrat: Should I go to the Gllug meet or the Billing meet on Saturday? |
| 07:49.15 | morsing | Leeds: of course? |
| 07:49.18 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 07:49.19 | rhowe | and... it can focus (so it seems) |
| 07:50.32 | Cope | hello chums |
| 07:50.52 | rhowe | morning Cope |
| 07:52.23 | Cope | morsing: billing meet? . o O {Mmmm, trans-shipping costs need to be factored in here, and I understand our cost codes are going to change - exciting!} |
| 08:05.46 | Leeds | really got to get this work thing sorted... |
| 08:08.35 | Cope | heh |
| 08:12.31 | Leeds | honestly, my time would be better spent sitting at home playing guitar... |
| 08:13.15 | Leeds | because my screen is visible to anyone walking in and out of the (open-plan) office, I can't even be 'productively wasteful' and play games... |
| 08:13.16 | murb | so sit at work and play air guitar. |
| 08:13.30 | murb | Leeds: was that by accident? |
| 08:13.37 | murb | Leeds: so you do productivity wasteful irc instead? |
| 08:14.10 | Leeds | IRC doesn't outright look like total non-work stuff, unless you actually read the screen |
| 08:15.20 | Leeds | what, work? |
| 08:23.29 | Cope | yay |
| 08:23.31 | Cope | yeah |
| 08:24.29 | mozrat | gah |
| 08:24.46 | mozrat | successfully setup our Windows box with a decent TV card to stream over the network using VLC |
| 08:24.55 | mozrat | so I am now "office hero" |
| 08:25.13 | mozrat | but then discover VLC on SUSE 10.1 is horribly broken with dependancy problems |
| 08:25.30 | mozrat | so the only schmuk who can't view our streaming TV feed is me :( |
| 08:26.48 | Leeds | bah |
| 08:27.02 | Leeds | vnc (the viewer, at least) is a nice simple program to compile |
| 08:27.49 | Leeds | Cope: there were, I would say, three problems with my work... |
| 08:28.12 | mozrat | Leeds: VLC not vnc |
| 08:28.40 | Leeds | ah, sorry... yes, vlc is a bit of a bastard to build... I was wondering why you were using vnc for video streaming, to be honest :-) |
| 08:28.47 | mozrat | heh |
| 08:28.51 | mozrat | VLC rocks though |
| 08:29.28 | mozrat | Windows guy had been struggling with trying to get it to stream for ages before I noticed |
| 08:30.00 | Leeds | Cope: one thing is that they wanted to move me out of the computer area and into more general management - and frankly it just didn't interest me, and I didn't care enough about it |
| 08:31.01 | Leeds | another thing is that on the computer stuff, I've been essentially working by myself - largely defining my own projects, not really having any deadlines... and I just don't work well like that... I need more structure, and I think I work a lot better with at least one other person, to bounce stuff off, to be bounced off, etc. |
| 08:32.25 | Leeds | other main thing is that of the stuff I did do, customers just don't seem interested, people need a lot more hitting around the head internally to make them use it (particularly in Sri Lanka) and it just generally seems largely unused and pointless |
| 08:33.12 | Cope | I can see that this would lead to low motivation |
| 08:33.12 | Leeds | another reasonably major thing is that I've made it clear, although not outright, that I don't like it in Sri Lanka... I can't work with the AS/400 except as a black box SQL server, and I'm generally a lot happier in an office in Hong Kong than in a factory out there |
| 08:33.43 | Leeds | they also don't like it, but they do it for the company... I just don't care enough about the company |
| 08:34.02 | Cope | would you like to stay in HK |
| 08:34.08 | Cope | if you could find another job |
| 08:34.25 | Leeds | that's my current vague plan, if I can find something suitable... I don't think I'm done here yet |
| 08:35.13 | Cope | I now have a firm offer |
| 08:35.17 | Leeds | but then I haven't done anything about finding something new, and my brain is slowly turning (even more) into yoghurt while I sit here every day and do nothing, then go home tired from pretending to do anything all day |
| 08:35.20 | morsing | Cope: Congrats |
| 08:35.24 | Cope | so subject to a few questions, I will hand in notice today |
| 08:35.25 | mozrat | well done Cope |
| 08:35.26 | Leeds | cool :-) |
| 08:35.31 | mozrat | morsing: come to GLLUG next Saturday |
| 08:36.05 | Cope | only problem is I want (and am wanted) to start on 3rd july |
| 08:36.13 | Cope | but boss wants me to work full notice period |
| 08:36.17 | morsing | Cope: Why is that a problem? |
| 08:36.35 | morsing | Cope: Send an angry letter to HR and you'll be asked to leave immediately |
| 08:36.37 | morsing | :) |
| 08:36.48 | morsing | Cope: Why didn't you go for a job at Attenda? |
| 08:41.03 | Cope | problem on lots of levels really |
| 08:41.08 | mozrat | Seeing as Leeds had his birthday yesterday we should change the /topic line |
| 08:41.38 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
| 08:41.46 | Cope | morsing: be my guest |
| 08:41.49 | Cope | mozrat: you even |
| 08:42.16 | Cope | problems... |
| 08:42.29 | Cope | 1) New company are keen for me to start asap |
| 08:43.05 | Cope | 2) Makes good financial sense |
| 08:43.08 | Cope | hrm |
| 08:43.21 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 08:43.28 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
| 08:43.48 | Cope | maybe i've not thought this through |
| 08:44.05 | mozrat | Cope, will your new employer make you work a month before getting paid anything? |
| 08:44.07 | morsing | mozrat: You didn't put Richard's birthday in there |
| 08:44.16 | mozrat | is that a consideration? |
| 08:44.23 | Leeds | Cope: this is after $OLD_COMPANY complained that you weren't doing your work because you had other unimportant things to do? |
| 08:44.29 | Cope | ibot ping 87.74.27.102 |
| 08:44.30 | ibot | pong 87.74.27.102 |
| 08:44.30 | mozrat | morsing: Richard Cohen? Whose birthday is it today? |
| 08:44.57 | Cope | mozrat: new company pay on the 10th |
| 08:45.15 | Cope | mozrat: so I would get paid on 10th August, I imagine |
| 08:45.33 | Cope | current company pay on last day of month |
| 08:48.34 | Cope | Leeds: indeed |
| 08:49.13 | Leeds | Cope: could I suggest that them wanting you to work your notice is then their problem, not yours, since they didn't think you were working properly as it was? |
| 08:50.24 | Cope | I am contracted.... |
| 08:50.47 | Leeds | screw 'em |
| 08:51.04 | Leeds | not, you know, that I'm getting cynical about employers in my old age or anything |
| 08:56.51 | morsing | Ok, any Perl/GCC/Solaris/CC experts here? I need help |
| 08:57.21 | SlayerXP | somewhat |
| 08:58.48 | morsing | SlayerXP: Client has asked me to install some Perl modules, including MD5 and other encryption stuff. |
| 08:59.01 | SlayerXP | don't bother. |
| 08:59.04 | SlayerXP | use blastwave |
| 08:59.20 | morsing | Problem is that this requires a C compiler and this has to be the same compiler that compiled Perl originally |
| 08:59.26 | morsing | SlayerXP: Blastwave? |
| 08:59.32 | SlayerXP | otherwise you're going to spent the next 3 days getting a build environment working |
| 08:59.41 | SlayerXP | yes, it makes solaris _almost_ useable |
| 08:59.43 | morsing | 3 days won't do it :) |
| 08:59.55 | morsing | SlayerXP: So Blastwave eh? |
| 09:00.02 | morsing | ibot Blastwave |
| 09:00.10 | SlayerXP | http://www.blastwave.org/userguide/ |
| 09:00.44 | SlayerXP | http://www.blastwave.org/howto.html |
| 09:01.16 | SlayerXP | erkk time |
| 09:01.21 | SlayerXP | gotta run errands, later. |
| 09:04.48 | morsing | So what does blastwave do? Is it just pre-compiled packages? |
| 09:06.22 | wethrin | hello |
| 09:06.28 | wethrin | morsing: Are you coming to the LBW this year? |
| 09:07.42 | morsing | wethrin: No |
| 09:07.53 | wethrin | bah |
| 09:08.01 | morsing | The Perl package Sunfreeware is compiled with GCC, no? |
| 09:08.08 | morsing | wethrin: Where is it? |
| 09:08.16 | morsing | Aylesbury? |
| 09:08.37 | wethrin | Lithuania |
| 09:08.44 | wethrin | No-one wants to go to Aylesbury :-P |
| 09:08.46 | morsing | Have no holiday left |
| 09:08.51 | wethrin | bah |
| 09:08.59 | morsing | wethrin: You coming on Saturday? |
| 09:09.03 | Leeds | ah, blastwave... |
| 09:09.09 | wethrin | morsing: The 24th? Yes |
| 09:09.13 | morsing | Leeds: You no it? |
| 09:09.16 | morsing | wethrin: You are?!? |
| 09:09.17 | Leeds | heh, the same perl problem is still there? |
| 09:09.20 | wethrin | morsing: Yeah |
| 09:09.25 | Leeds | morsing: you may recall what I used to do at Sun |
| 09:09.31 | wethrin | morsing: But then there won't be a Social meeting on the Friday evening |
| 09:09.39 | morsing | Leeds: No - one module asks for C compiler during compile time |
| 09:09.53 | morsing | Leeds: Compile Perl modules? |
| 09:10.03 | Leeds | no |
| 09:10.11 | morsing | Leeds: Help me please |
| 09:10.18 | Leeds | perl was always a problem, but it was never *our* problem |
| 09:10.21 | Leeds | what Solaris is this? |
| 09:10.24 | morsing | 9 |
| 09:10.32 | Leeds | heh |
| 09:10.43 | morsing | Leeds: ? |
| 09:11.25 | wethrin | 10 is out! |
| 09:11.28 | Leeds | yes, there was always a problem with perl because you needed to use the same compiler to build modules as had been used to build perl - but it was never our problem because some bloke in the kernel group owned it |
| 09:11.33 | wethrin | 11 will be out soonish, won't it? |
| 09:12.09 | Leeds | in fact, IIRC, the problem was that the Perl distribution hardcoded the location of the compiler which had been used to build it, so when you tried to build modules, it tried to use the Solaris build environment to build them :-) |
| 09:13.31 | cpufreak | lots of stuff isn't supported on solaris 10 yet. |
| 09:13.47 | cpufreak | most of our solaris boxes are still 2.6, 7, 8 or 9 :) |
| 09:13.57 | cpufreak | think we've gotten rid of the remaining 2.5.1 boxes |
| 09:14.20 | Leeds | cpufreak: do you realise just how much that pisses off Sun people? |
| 09:17.27 | Leeds | morsing: that's not very nice |
| 09:19.20 | morsing | Arrghhhh George! |
| 09:24.47 | morsing | Leeds: So can I temporarily install Perl from sunfreeware and GCC and then compile it? |
| 09:24.57 | morsing | Or would that not work? |
| 09:26.03 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 09:27.33 | Leeds | what am I, a Solaris freeware and Perl expert? |
| 09:28.17 | Leeds | honestly, I don't know... I think there was a workaround telling it to use the CCD gcc at one point, but I can't particularly remember, and I was never particularly interested in it at the time |
| 09:51.39 | cpufreak | Leeds: what that the 2.5.1 boxes have been retired? |
| 09:51.43 | cpufreak | :) |
| 09:53.55 | antiphase | Just rebuild everything. Problem solved. |
| 09:54.13 | cpufreak | and new problems created :p |
| 09:54.46 | cpufreak | Leeds: in actuality, I'd much rather be running Solaris 10 everywhere, but it wont happen in this place. Thankfully I have only one and a half weeks left |
| 09:55.46 | Leeds | seems 'tis the season to be moving on |
| 09:56.05 | cpufreak | been here two years, so its not a bad innings |
| 09:56.26 | antiphase | Time for some new balls |
| 09:57.45 | morsing | errors show DB having iossue qritting to its control file |
| 09:58.33 | pie_ | iossue qritting? nice. |
| 09:58.48 | Leeds | ARGH! |
| 09:59.57 | morsing | ibot Leeds is also a Solaris freeware and Perl expert |
| 10:00.01 | ibot | morsing: okay |
| 10:00.01 | Leeds | Zuji - aka Travelocity Asia - has an unusable site |
| 10:00.52 | morsing | Where is the Oracle control file? |
| 10:00.53 | Leeds | morsing: only the priests know |
| 10:03.55 | morsing | ~seen George |
| 10:04.11 | ibot | george is currently on #kde (2d 10h 31m 34s) #zaurus (2d 10h 31m 34s) #gllug (2d 10h 31m 34s) #openzaurus (2d 10h 31m 34s) #opie (2d 10h 31m 34s) #handhelds.org (2d 10h 31m 34s) #elinux (2d 10h 31m 34s) #intimate (2d 10h 31m 34s). Has said a total of 173 messages. Is idling for 9h 51m 31s, ... |
| 10:06.21 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:13.37 | morsing | http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/80/a3423980.shtml |
| 10:13.39 | morsing | Ha ha |
| 10:14.01 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin) |
| 10:14.10 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 10:14.16 | morsing | Bye Leeds |
| 10:14.54 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 10:18.23 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 10:18.29 | morsing | Woo - Cope |
| 10:18.41 | morsing | What did they say? |
| 10:19.11 | wethrin | I presume Cope got the job |
| 10:22.01 | mozrat | morsing!! |
| 10:23.57 | Cope | morsing: convinced boss to be flexible |
| 10:24.26 | Cope | wethrin: 'a' job :) Not the recent one; I didn't get that. |
| 10:25.18 | wethrin | Oh, right |
| 10:25.24 | wethrin | Where are you going to be, then? |
| 10:28.23 | pie_ | I got a new job too. I leave on Friday. |
| 10:30.03 | Cope | wethrin: basingstoke |
| 10:30.11 | wethrin | Arrr |
| 10:30.20 | wethrin | pie_: anywhere exciting? |
| 10:30.35 | pie_ | Guardian media group on Deansgate in Manchester |
| 10:30.46 | Cope | groovy |
| 10:39.49 | morsing | Does Konquerer run on Windows? |
| 10:43.07 | wethrin | no |
| 10:45.38 | morsing | :( |
| 10:45.48 | morsing | What's a good sftp client for windows |
| 10:46.02 | Cope | morsing: i use winscp |
| 10:46.12 | morsing | George: Make Konquerer work on WIndows! |
| 10:46.16 | morsing | winscp? |
| 10:46.19 | morsing | Tucows? |
| 10:46.42 | Cope | http://winscp.net/eng/index.php |
| 10:47.06 | wethrin | Anyone want a Cray EL98? |
| 10:47.07 | morsing | Cool |
| 10:47.12 | morsing | Elk? |
| 10:47.25 | wethrin | Elk? |
| 10:48.52 | morsing | Do I want a Gray Elk? |
| 10:49.35 | TimMagic | sup crew? hows my homies this fine day? |
| 10:50.17 | morsing | TimMagic: Stop talking! |
| 10:51.54 | George | morsing: fuck off |
| 10:54.40 | TimMagic | why? |
| 10:55.44 | morsing | TimMagic: You're too far aead of me! |
| 10:55.51 | morsing | s/aead/ahead/ |
| 11:04.15 | morsing | Font? |
| 11:04.26 | morsing | wethrin: How did you bbecome so posh? |
| 11:05.09 | wethrin | I blame EvilDave :) |
| 11:05.26 | skugg | ircstats-- |
| 11:06.27 | skugg | ircstats-- # make people hold meta-conversations about who talks most instead of actually saying something interesting. |
| 11:06.41 | skugg | see? Even I got bit by it now. |
| 11:06.45 | skugg | ircstats-- |
| 11:06.48 | z00dax | $TZ Greetings! |
| 11:07.53 | mozrat | z00dax: hello there |
| 11:07.59 | z00dax | mozrat! |
| 11:08.09 | z00dax | can i bring a date along on the 24th ? |
| 11:08.50 | mozrat | I don't know.. can you? |
| 11:09.07 | mozrat | That depends a lot more on her than us I think :) |
| 11:09.45 | skugg | z00dax: not if you want to see her again later. |
| 11:11.02 | morsing | z00dax: You need to ask her permission first. We can't just allow it, that would be illegal |
| 11:15.31 | z00dax | the issue is that she is flying in from .sg for the weekend |
| 11:15.42 | z00dax | and is sort of semi busy on Sunday, so i get to see her only on saturday |
| 11:16.18 | z00dax | I am also not sure, at this stage, if its really a 'date' or not... I would like it to be :) |
| 11:18.29 | skugg | z00dax: then for the love of god, don't bring her to a gllug meeting. |
| 11:18.58 | skugg | z00dax: it's an easy option. don't go to the gllug meeting. go have fun instead! |
| 11:19.11 | morsing | skugg: Why not? It will make z00dax stand out even better |
| 11:19.30 | skugg | morsing: i really couldn't say. I've not met him. |
| 11:19.38 | z00dax | :( |
| 11:19.38 | wethrin | ~karma ircstats |
| 11:19.38 | ibot | ircstats has neutral karma |
| 11:19.57 | skugg | ibot explain carma ircstats |
| 11:20.05 | wethrin | try karma |
| 11:20.07 | skugg | s/carma/karma/ |
| 11:20.18 | skugg | ibot explain karma ircstats |
| 11:21.34 | skugg | it won't do that. |
| 11:21.35 | morsing | skugg: STATS PAGE! |
| 11:21.37 | skugg | ibot-- # stupid |
| 11:21.43 | wethrin | dipsy is far better |
| 11:21.49 | morsing | http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ |
| 11:21.55 | skugg | is he here? |
| 11:22.01 | wethrin | No |
| 11:22.04 | morsing | skugg: Yes |
| 11:22.15 | morsing | Best looking guy after me |
| 11:22.29 | morsing | And George of course |
| 11:22.35 | morsing | George is really cute |
| 11:22.44 | wethrin | ! |
| 11:22.47 | morsing | :) |
| 11:23.09 | morsing | Right, any Outlook experts here? |
| 11:23.23 | morsing | It says I have an unread message but I can't find it |
| 11:23.59 | skugg | ~explain karma ircstats |
| 11:24.38 | wethrin | HAve you tried restarting Outlook? |
| 11:24.45 | z00dax | morsing: havent used outlook in years and years, but could that be a filter ? |
| 11:24.54 | z00dax | maybe the unread msg is being hidden away ? |
| 11:25.09 | George | I'm not cute. |
| 11:25.17 | pie_ | morsing, Maybe it is really far back in the message list |
| 11:25.25 | pie_ | George, all fluffy. |
| 11:25.42 | z00dax | I saw the new outlook-2007 the other day on a friends machine.... it sux so much, they have made email a major engineering subject |
| 11:25.42 | George | bwahahaha |
| 11:26.10 | morsing | pie_: But it's popped up today. It was clear this morning... |
| 11:26.40 | pie_ | Maybe the sender's machine hasthe date set wrong. |
| 11:26.46 | z00dax | morsing: start using mutt over a ssh link :) |
| 11:26.48 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 11:26.56 | morsing | I've looked back about a week |
| 11:27.12 | pie_ | Try right at the beginning :) |
| 11:27.17 | z00dax | iirc, outlook used to have a 'display only unread' option |
| 11:27.21 | z00dax | morsing: reboot the machine :) |
| 11:27.27 | pie_ | morsing, delete all |
| 11:28.06 | z00dax | yeah, evolution got me once... doing a Ctrl+A Ctrl+D ( finger memory gotcha ) |
| 11:28.11 | morsing | z00dax: Machine as in Exchange server :) |
| 11:28.12 | z00dax | unfortunately i wasent in a screen session |
| 11:28.25 | z00dax | morsing: no.. your client machine... :) |
| 11:28.32 | morsing | Ok, I "marked all as read" now |
| 11:28.40 | morsing | Will never find out now |
| 11:28.44 | pie_ | morsing, Now you will never know! |
| 11:28.45 | z00dax | nice :) now it is lost forever! |
| 11:28.54 | morsing | :) |
| 11:29.14 | wethrin | It must have not been important |
| 11:29.34 | morsing | wethrin: IT was probably very important |
| 11:30.08 | pie_ | It became of great importance as soon as it became inaccessible. |
| 11:30.26 | pie_ | Shrodingers email. |
| 11:30.27 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:30.37 | z00dax | yeah, prolly something from your bank saying they have reduced your CC limit for the time being |
| 11:31.08 | z00dax | here is a semi OT question... |
| 11:31.23 | z00dax | does anyone know of an 'in image barcode scanner' ? |
| 11:31.42 | z00dax | I've got about 400 .jpeg's that have barcodes embedded on the top right side that need scanning. |
| 11:32.06 | z00dax | printing them all out on paper, and then using a bar code scanner, while a good way to waste a day, isnt an option :( |
| 11:32.24 | wethrin | Scan on-screen :) |
| 11:32.25 | pie_ | You wouldn't have to print them, some scanners will read from a screen |
| 11:32.49 | pie_ | although something to run directly on the images wuld be useful... |
| 11:33.02 | z00dax | dont have $scanner |
| 11:34.15 | pie_ | I bought one for about 7 quid from someone on london.pm |
| 11:34.29 | pie_ | just connects to a serial port |
| 11:35.36 | pie_ | barcode scanners on ebay: http://smallr.com/1jc |
| 11:35.38 | z00dax | I still want a s/w solution |
| 11:35.43 | pie_ | I can imagine. |
| 11:35.53 | z00dax | specially since i need to get this done by thursday night |
| 11:36.29 | pie_ | You could write something to parse the barcodes, if they are in the same relative position in the image you could get just the barcode easily, then you just need to extract the information. |
| 11:37.15 | pie_ | Shouldn't be too difficult. It would take me longer than a few days though |
| 11:39.05 | pie_ | ISTR there was a webcam that parsed barcodes that it got shown. |
| 11:39.50 | rhowe | z00dax: Hm.. do you know what kind of barcode it is? |
| 11:40.16 | rhowe | z00dax: Take a look at the wikipedia page for the barcode format, and there are sometimes links to various bits of processing software (although, of course, most of them are generate-only) |
| 11:42.43 | z00dax | what do you mean 'kind of barcode' ? its a standard 2d code |
| 11:43.03 | z00dax | err, 1D |
| 11:43.57 | z00dax | and no, i dont have the fonts that generated these ones.. |
| 11:44.59 | pie_ | There are lots of different bar-code types |
| 11:45.22 | z00dax | this one is the sort that would be seen on product stuff.. |
| 11:45.26 | z00dax | upc ? |
| 11:46.49 | pie_ | No idea what they are called |
| 11:47.04 | z00dax | http://graphics.tudelft.nl/~jorik/css/barcode.html |
| 11:47.06 | z00dax | looks interesting |
| 11:47.15 | pie_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcodes |
| 11:49.31 | pie_ | z00dax, yeah, you might be able to rip the processing code out of that... |
| 12:32.54 | z00dax | its amazing, for a country as setup as the UK - there is not 1 braindead economical isp around |
| 12:33.53 | z00dax | either that or just network admins are hard to find, so hard that no isp in this country is able to actually hire someone who knows what they are doing |
| 12:34.11 | hali | sysadmin staff in the uk is generally sheit |
| 12:39.29 | z00dax | sad |
| 12:48.49 | morsing | Mmm... Chicken n steak combo |
| 12:50.44 | pie_ | I prefer a steak n steak combo. |
| 12:51.03 | morsing | Or steak n steak n ribs n chicken perhaps? |
| 12:51.19 | pie_ | No, steak n steak n steak n steak. |
| 12:52.45 | pie_ | Although I do quite like brocolli |
| 12:57.14 | morsing | brocolli n brocolli n brocolli n brocolli n brocolli then? |
| 12:57.17 | morsing | Anyway, |
| 12:58.57 | morsing | ping mozrat |
| 13:01.50 | *** join/#gllug angelchild (n=Catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 13:02.49 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 13:03.11 | morsing | Is there a way to easily lock and unlock an account in Solaris 9? |
| 13:03.20 | morsing | Or do I need to use sed? |
| 13:03.31 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 13:03.34 | hali | fecking estate agents... fucking around with the rent same day im supposed to sign my lease! |
| 13:04.35 | morsing | hali: That doesn't really answer my question |
| 13:05.44 | z00dax | hali: where are you moving to ? |
| 13:05.55 | hali | z00dax: tower hill... close to WAPPING |
| 13:06.20 | z00dax | I hate wapping. all the wankers in this country live there. |
| 13:06.32 | z00dax | tower hill might be better :) |
| 13:06.38 | hali | close to birck lane :P |
| 13:06.40 | hali | brick* |
| 13:06.58 | z00dax | ah well, some half decent food to be had sometimes then |
| 13:07.04 | morsing | z00dax: 80% of the population lives in WAPPING |
| 13:07.06 | morsing | ? |
| 13:07.51 | z00dax | morsing: I am not qualified enough to comment on a statistic of that nature |
| 13:07.52 | z00dax | :) |
| 13:10.10 | pie_ | 80% of the population lives in WAPPING *and the surrounding area* |
| 13:11.10 | z00dax | 80% of the population of what ? |
| 13:11.25 | morsing | Aylesbury? |
| 13:11.36 | angelchild | squirrels |
| 13:11.54 | z00dax | angelchild: ever tried squirrel meat ? |
| 13:12.03 | Cope | lo |
| 13:12.27 | z00dax | a Cope! |
| 13:12.50 | Cope | indeed |
| 13:13.02 | angelchild | z00dax: dan't say i have |
| 13:14.30 | z00dax | angelchild: me neither |
| 13:14.39 | angelchild | can't* |
| 13:14.56 | mozrat | hello! |
| 13:15.04 | z00dax | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8694244338798619086 |
| 13:15.06 | z00dax | humm |
| 13:17.20 | *** join/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 13:17.22 | cbz | da. |
| 13:17.36 | z00dax | da de de da do de de daa daa daaaaaaaaad aaaaaaaaaaaa daaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:18.02 | morsing | mozrat: |
| 13:18.23 | morsing | cbz: Run for your life! |
| 13:21.07 | cbz | erk |
| 13:21.37 | cbz | hi mozzie. |
| 13:23.40 | SlayerXP | ccooppee:: nnoott ttoooo mmaannyy bbeeeerrss,, II hhooppee?? |
| 13:23.48 | Cope | SlayerXP: only 3 |
| 13:23.56 | Cope | and a toasted sandwich |
| 13:24.30 | angelchild | mm, toasted sandwich |
| 13:26.32 | *** join/#gllug formi (n=formi@82-35-32-235.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:26.41 | Cope | formi! |
| 13:26.43 | Cope | (dable) |
| 13:26.44 | formi | tara! |
| 13:27.04 | morsing | formi! |
| 13:27.18 | angelchild | formi! |
| 13:27.24 | formi | has anybody seen pdr around here lately? |
| 13:27.40 | morsing | formi: Not for a few weeks |
| 13:27.43 | morsing | ~seen pdr |
| 13:28.00 | ibot | pdr <n=pdr@pogo.pdr.me.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 36d 21h 3m 53s ago, saying: 'rhowe: :-)'. |
| 13:28.10 | Cope | formi: although he's been active on the list |
| 13:28.11 | wethrin | steak? |
| 13:28.16 | Cope | kidney? |
| 13:28.20 | wethrin | Nah |
| 13:28.25 | formi | i need some help with some brasilian portuguese translation |
| 13:28.44 | Cope | formi: futbol == football |
| 13:28.50 | Cope | formi: gola == goal |
| 13:31.37 | formi | cope I almost speak portuguese |
| 13:38.30 | z00dax | whats the game on at the moment ? |
| 13:38.32 | angelchild | where from? |
| 13:38.41 | z00dax | bbc.co.uk/worldcup2006 ? |
| 13:38.56 | wethrin | The game is football, z00dax |
| 13:39.13 | z00dax | wethrin: damn. whu'd 'ave thunk it |
| 13:39.14 | antiphase | Football is for bummers |
| 13:39.19 | z00dax | now tell me who is playing ? |
| 13:39.28 | z00dax | antiphase: footie give you sore bum's ? |
| 13:39.52 | z00dax | humm .. its www.bbc.co.uk/worldcup |
| 13:39.57 | z00dax | and looks like the video stream is gone |
| 13:40.15 | antiphase | I was insinuating that people who watch football may regularly partake of the pink oboe |
| 13:40.37 | Cope | self.so doesn't like football |
| 13:42.31 | morsing | Football sucks |
| 13:44.12 | mozrat | Spain versus Ukraine |
| 13:44.17 | TimMagic | morsing: you just have to talk more |
| 13:44.25 | z00dax | mozrat: where is the video feed ? |
| 13:44.32 | TimMagic | you will probably catch me up over the next week |
| 13:44.38 | TimMagic | im off on a course til friday |
| 13:44.39 | Cope | Tehre! |
| 13:44.41 | mozrat | z00dax: you can get it from the BBC site but it's fairly low quality |
| 13:44.55 | mozrat | we have a PC with a TV card and VLC streaming it to our LAN |
| 13:45.06 | z00dax | mozrat: they seem to have taken the feed's off - its not where they were on monday |
| 13:45.53 | wethrin | Gah. Windows-- # steaming pile of shit |
| 13:46.09 | Cope | wethrin: on the basis of what specific experience |
| 13:46.29 | wethrin | Try and open an MP3 file that's associated with Windows Media Player |
| 13:46.31 | wethrin | Explorer hangs |
| 13:46.49 | Cope | NS |
| 13:46.56 | wethrin | NS? |
| 13:48.32 | *** join/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 13:48.39 | morsing | ping mozrat |
| 13:48.52 | stephanb2 | ping god |
| 13:49.00 | morsing | MOZRAT?# |
| 13:49.04 | mozrat | yes? |
| 13:49.18 | morsing | mozrat: Do you get Nagios mails from my system? |
| 13:49.26 | morsing | It says it just sent one to you |
| 13:49.31 | mozrat | nope |
| 13:49.47 | mozrat | it may send them to my mbox file on your server, but I don't actually get them |
| 13:49.55 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 13:59.02 | morsing | morsing@emil:~$ ls -l /var/spool/mail/mozrat |
| 13:59.02 | morsing | -rw------- 1 mozrat mail 201867 2006-06-14 14:34 /var/spool/mail/mozrat |
| 14:00.16 | mozrat | yeah, it doesn't forward anywhere. |
| 14:00.49 | mozrat | What is the name of the mailing list syndrome where no-one answers because either a) No-one knows the answer or b) Everyone agrees and has no valid point to add ? |
| 14:01.46 | morsing | mozrat: Or the one where everyone thinks it so trivial that someone else will answer |
| 14:02.08 | SlayerXP | or the one where everyone is too scared to chip in |
| 14:02.10 | mozrat | thats the one. It has a name ( and a wikipedia page ) |
| 14:05.50 | morsing | mozrat: The Henry Gilbert syndrome? |
| 14:06.23 | mozrat | morsing: hehe - I spoke to someone who had actually had the pleasure of Henry Gilbert visiting his house and *ahem* fixing his computer |
| 14:06.30 | mozrat | he said he was a wrong 'un |
| 14:06.36 | morsing | mozrat: Good or bad? |
| 14:07.16 | mozrat | bad |
| 14:08.10 | morsing | How "fixed" did it get? |
| 14:08.31 | morsing | OR more importantly, was it fixed more or less after he left? |
| 14:08.52 | mozrat | no, it didn't get fixed |
| 14:08.53 | *** join/#gllug arika-chan (n=Catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 14:09.08 | mozrat | he installed every sound related piece of software he could find to try and fix a problem |
| 14:09.28 | George | ARSE |
| 14:09.32 | George | protocols/protocols.o: In function `msn_set_psm':msn.c:(.text+0x4d23): undefined reference to `g_sprintf' |
| 14:09.45 | Cope | bummer |
| 14:09.46 | mozrat | namely Cope |
| 14:10.33 | arika-chan | Cope: they're both ME :P |
| 14:10.54 | George | I love this machine on its stupidly fast internet connection |
| 14:10.57 | George | 100mbit rocks |
| 14:11.45 | Cope | angelchild: I know |
| 14:11.56 | angelchild | :P |
| 14:12.00 | angelchild | ^_^ |
| 14:13.16 | morsing | How do I close a stuck screen again? |
| 14:13.57 | mozrat | Ctrl+a,k |
| 14:15.52 | morsing | Thanks |
| 14:16.42 | mozrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnocked |
| 14:16.51 | mozrat | that was the syndrome I was trying to find |
| 14:17.24 | morsing | mozrat: Sorry to asked again, but how do I handle non-pingable servers in Nagios |
| 14:17.45 | mozrat | define a service check rather than just a ping test |
| 14:18.05 | mozrat | if you have a server that is pingable and you also define for example a SMTP test then it is "assumed to be up" |
| 14:18.17 | mozrat | in that because SMTP is running OK there is no need to ping it |
| 14:18.33 | mozrat | so - find a service you can monitor on it and test that instead |
| 14:18.44 | morsing | mozrat: That's what I'm doing now but it doesn't work well |
| 14:18.55 | mozrat | what happens? |
| 14:19.03 | morsing | I only test services btw, don't care about servers |
| 14:19.17 | morsing | mozrat: It randomly sends "host is down" emails |
| 14:19.41 | morsing | My friend Robin is most annoyed by this |
| 14:20.20 | z00dax | morsing: it will also usually give you a reason why it thinkgs the host is down |
| 14:22.20 | *** join/#gllug rhowe (i=rhowe@87.127.14.179) |
| 14:23.15 | morsing | z00dax: Will it? That's a functionality I'm unaware of... |
| 14:23.21 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 14:23.55 | mozrat | morsing: Hmm, ask me again later. I'm interested in debugging it but short on time right this minute (hour) |
| 14:25.22 | morsing | ping Cope |
| 14:25.45 | mozrat | Cope is down |
| 14:25.54 | mozrat | send someone an email |
| 14:26.52 | morsing | echo "Cope is down" | sendmail -s Alert mozzie@planet.earth |
| 14:33.19 | morsing | Cope: That's ok. It's sorted. |
| 14:35.13 | Cope | qsort? |
| 14:38.37 | morsing | Cope: No, wrong password |
| 14:38.46 | Cope | error |
| 14:41.23 | angelchild | * Cope is up. <--- kinky :o |
| 14:41.42 | Cope | Are you flirting with me again? |
| 14:41.49 | cbz | Heh |
| 14:42.09 | angelchild | :o |
| 14:47.18 | morsing | pee |
| 14:47.43 | morsing | Moo |
| 14:48.06 | TimMagic | morsing: you are funny |
| 14:48.12 | TimMagic | i see what you did there! |
| 14:48.31 | TimMagic | the way you took eep and made it into pee - sheer genius |
| 14:53.58 | morsing | TimMagic: ?! I don't think I came up with that though... |
| 14:54.20 | morsing | mozrat: Back me up here |
| 14:57.38 | TimMagic | ok |
| 14:57.52 | TimMagic | i still admire your excellent delivery of the line |
| 14:58.06 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 14:58.55 | morsing | Can I tell from a binary file if it was compiled with GCC? |
| 14:59.22 | Erwin | gcc puts some info in a separate section, though that may be stripped |
| 15:01.06 | Erwin | hmm, can't find that anywhere anymore |
| 15:01.26 | Erwin | I seem to recall a program out there that actually analysed machine code to find out what it was compiled with |
| 15:07.35 | morsing | HELP |
| 15:08.13 | Cope | morsing: ok |
| 15:08.25 | morsing | How do I register? |
| 15:08.35 | Cope | register what? |
| 15:08.39 | morsing | Me |
| 15:08.46 | Cope | oh with nickserv? |
| 15:08.52 | morsing | Yes |
| 15:09.12 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.28 | Cope | perhaps with a password |
| 15:09.38 | Cope | then /msg nickserv identify morsing password |
| 15:09.41 | morsing | It says that nick is already registered |
| 15:09.48 | Cope | then you're fuecked |
| 15:09.52 | Cope | morsing_ |
| 15:09.52 | Cope | etc |
| 15:10.07 | morsing | But who would register that? |
| 15:10.14 | Cope | you're evil twin |
| 15:10.16 | Cope | gah |
| 15:10.18 | Cope | *your |
| 15:10.29 | Erwin | morsing: You did I think, 20 weeks ago, and haven't used it since |
| 15:10.36 | z00dax | morsing: its registered to you |
| 15:10.41 | Erwin | Can't you remember a plausible password you might have used? |
| 15:10.44 | morsing | Erwin: So why can't I send private messages? |
| 15:10.52 | morsing | Erwin: How do I use this? |
| 15:10.55 | z00dax | morsing: you need to identify yourself to nickserv |
| 15:10.56 | Erwin | Well, after registering the nick you must also identify each time |
| 15:11.00 | z00dax | so its knows its you |
| 15:11.21 | morsing | Unknown command identify |
| 15:11.45 | Erwin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.13 | morsing | 16:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 15:12.15 | morsing | Woo! |
| 15:14.16 | Cope | lol |
| 15:14.22 | Cope | home |
| 15:40.55 | TimMagic | is there anyway of setting mirc up to automatically run vertain commands on start up? |
| 15:41.18 | TimMagic | like idnetify to nickerv and /join ~gluug? |
| 15:44.33 | TimMagic | anybody? |
| 15:44.55 | JAV | yes |
| 15:45.24 | JAV | mirc? |
| 15:45.51 | *** join/#gllug angelchild (n=catalyst@jamesmorse.plus.com) |
| 15:46.51 | JAV | there is a box in options where you can put commands |
| 15:49.28 | *** join/#gllug JAV (n=JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:50.26 | TimMagic | hmm just goona try it |
| 15:50.30 | TimMagic | back in a mo |
| 15:50.34 | *** part/#gllug TimMagic (n=tmlukejo@80-41-146-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 15:51.22 | *** join/#gllug TimMagic (n=tmlukejo@80-41-146-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 15:51.38 | TimMagic | woo it works |
| 15:51.41 | TimMagic | yay! |
| 15:51.46 | TimMagic | thanks JAV |
| 15:52.12 | JAV | your welcome :D |
| 16:00.18 | TimMagic | wot y'all up to? |
| 16:02.52 | SlayerXP | i'm about to go on a steak out |
| 16:03.04 | wethrin | Mmm. steak. |
| 16:03.18 | SlayerXP | i plan to grill it |
| 16:03.34 | wethrin | That's a good plan |
| 16:04.29 | SlayerXP | <Sonderblade> SlayerXP: a GUI is faster than reading svnadmin help |
| 16:05.58 | wethrin | buhhhh |
| 16:06.07 | wethrin | That may be true for a single task, though |
| 16:11.57 | TimMagic | ooh good call |
| 16:23.38 | stephanb2 | oh dear that terabyte server is full |
| 16:46.16 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 17:28.18 | *** join/#gllug Gonz0 (n=Gonzo@82-35-9-153.cable.ubr02.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:36.47 | TimMagic | can one of the ppl who are more intelligent than i profer some help? |
| 17:37.30 | wethrin | No. HTH. :) |
| 17:38.04 | wethrin | whazzaquestion? |
| 17:41.32 | TimMagic | i have an antique laptop running linix - it has 1 monitor output, 1 ps2 and one usb port |
| 17:41.51 | TimMagic | i also have a desktop running windows with a ps2 keyboard and usb mouse |
| 17:41.58 | z00dax | whats linix ? |
| 17:42.02 | TimMagic | i want to use the same monitor mouse and kb for both boxes |
| 17:42.09 | z00dax | vnc ? |
| 17:42.18 | TimMagic | s/linix/linux/ |
| 17:42.55 | z00dax | humm wait, you didnt say they were connected to each other.... |
| 17:43.05 | z00dax | but if they were connected somehow, you could VNC or NX |
| 17:43.15 | TimMagic | they arent |
| 17:43.30 | TimMagic | i was hoping to use a switchbox/kvm |
| 17:43.33 | wethrin | Use a KVM switch |
| 17:43.33 | z00dax | you could get a kvm in that case |
| 17:43.57 | z00dax | but you might find that its easier to just connect the two machines up |
| 17:44.00 | TimMagic | but i can find a kvm with a usb input/outpu for the mouse |
| 17:44.09 | TimMagic | z00dax: how? |
| 17:44.31 | TimMagic | s/outpu/output/ |
| 17:44.32 | z00dax | I am sure it has some port thats usable ? how about a null modem cable over rs-232 ? |
| 17:44.45 | z00dax | do windows machines do plip ? |
| 17:44.52 | wethrin | Hmm. USB mouse might be harder |
| 17:45.14 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 17:45.33 | TimMagic | but i only have one ps2 port on the laptop |
| 17:46.03 | z00dax | this old laptop has no ethernet ? |
| 17:46.08 | TimMagic | nope |
| 17:46.13 | z00dax | modem ? |
| 17:46.17 | wethrin | PCMCIA ethernet |
| 17:46.27 | TimMagic | modem |
| 17:46.37 | TimMagic | no pcmcia ethernet |
| 17:46.42 | TimMagic | the way i figured was: |
| 17:46.55 | z00dax | you can get pcmcia modem's off ebay |
| 17:47.04 | TimMagic | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?TabID=1&ModuleNo=46877&doy=14m6#vouchers |
| 17:47.07 | TimMagic | and |
| 17:47.18 | TimMagic | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?TabID=1&ModuleNo=31278&doy=14m6 |
| 17:47.39 | TimMagic | with a ps2 mouse instead of my usb mouse |
| 17:48.18 | z00dax | those prices sound very high |
| 17:48.29 | z00dax | £45 is more than the laptop value ? |
| 17:48.42 | TimMagic | could well be |
| 17:49.05 | z00dax | I'd get an el-cheapo pcmcia ethernet off ebay and a short cross cable |
| 17:49.21 | z00dax | that is, if you do always have the windhuze machine on when the laptop is required |
| 17:49.22 | TimMagic | then... |
| 17:49.39 | TimMagic | the windoze never off |
| 17:49.58 | z00dax | ah well there you go, just network the two of them up and use something like NX |
| 17:50.24 | TimMagic | ok |
| 17:50.34 | TimMagic | can i now throw a spanner in the works? |
| 17:50.51 | TimMagic | my wireless router is in my ethernet port on my win box |
| 17:50.52 | z00dax | sure, i like spanners |
| 17:51.11 | z00dax | even better, hook up the laptop to the router then |
| 17:51.22 | z00dax | and you wont need a cross cable either, just a straight cable be good |
| 17:52.01 | TimMagic | so lin box to router then router to win box? |
| 17:52.31 | z00dax | yes, and you get network acess to the linux box too |
| 17:52.41 | z00dax | ( if the router has a spare e-net port ) |
| 17:53.03 | TimMagic | yep the router has 4 ports |
| 17:53.44 | TimMagic | now... finding a linux compatible pcmcia ethernet card |
| 17:53.49 | TimMagic | easy or tough? |
| 17:53.55 | z00dax | easy |
| 17:53.55 | wethrin | Easy |
| 17:54.54 | z00dax | for a £10 - £15 you might even find a Wireless card that works, maybe a 802.11b |
| 17:55.35 | z00dax | although getting wpa going on wifi might be non trivial |
| 17:57.02 | TimMagic | yeah i tried 2 wifi cards but with no success |
| 17:57.14 | z00dax | ndiswrapper them :) |
| 17:57.20 | z00dax | ( if they dont work natively ) |
| 17:57.58 | murb | z00dax: shouldn't be that non trivial. |
| 17:58.25 | murb | wpa_supplicant just works with many drivers now days. |
| 17:58.27 | TimMagic | see now you are getting into big words i dont understand |
| 17:58.31 | z00dax | murb: nice! |
| 17:59.05 | z00dax | I trid to get wpa going last year in Aug, tried for a few hrs, then just cut out a 40m cat-5 cable form my spool and just use that now as I wander about the house with a GigE connected laptop :) |
| 17:59.43 | TimMagic | how does ndiswrapper work? |
| 17:59.45 | murb | z00dax: don't trip over! |
| 18:00.13 | z00dax | murb: i get away with it since i have no Girl / other resident entity around this place. |
| 18:00.14 | murb | TimMagic: it provies a ndis looking hole for windows ndis drivers to fit in. |
| 18:00.32 | z00dax | a friend of mine tried the same thing and got his head chewed off by SO |
| 18:01.33 | TimMagic | how would one go about setting up my wifi card using ndiswrapper? |
| 18:02.06 | z00dax | TimMagic: ndiswrapper.sf.net - they have a wiki with a howto |
| 18:02.49 | z00dax | also #nidswrapper is very responsive, but like all Open Source people - is a techie hangout, asking specific questions gets specific answers. |
| 18:11.23 | TimMagic | hmm |
| 18:11.27 | TimMagic | its not going well |
| 18:12.39 | z00dax | what distro do you run on that laptop ? |
| 18:12.48 | TimMagic | ubuntu dapper drake |
| 18:13.00 | z00dax | maybe they have ndiswrapper built and installable ? |
| 18:13.16 | z00dax | ( I dont use ubuntu so cant confirm, maybe apt search ? ) |
| 18:17.21 | TimMagic | apt search? |
| 18:18.12 | z00dax | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32388 |
| 18:18.45 | z00dax | isnt apt the package manager in Ubuntu ? or have they moved to smartpm already ? |
| 18:21.25 | SlayerXP | who cares? |
| 18:22.44 | TimMagic | i have a tar.bz2 that allegedly works |
| 18:26.36 | z00dax | SlayerXP: will 'apt search ndiswrapper' find something ? |
| 18:26.56 | z00dax | what are kernel modules called on debian / ubuntu ? are they pacakged in their own packs or as a part of userland stuff ? |
| 18:26.57 | SlayerXP | z00dax: is that a genuine question? |
| 18:27.12 | z00dax | SlayerXP: yes, I dont know how debian / ubuntu do their repo's :( |
| 18:27.23 | SlayerXP | "who cares?" would really have to be my answer to that, too. buy properly supported hardware. |
| 18:27.33 | z00dax | humm |
| 18:27.59 | SlayerXP | shannon:~# apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 18:27.59 | SlayerXP | ndiswrapper-common - Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper |
| 18:27.59 | SlayerXP | ndiswrapper-source - Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module |
| 18:27.59 | SlayerXP | ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 - Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper |
| 18:28.10 | z00dax | well, on debian that would be stuff that people threw out 10 years back |
| 18:28.20 | TimMagic | i just installed ndiswrapper-utils |
| 18:28.24 | TimMagic | (i think) |
| 18:28.44 | z00dax | TimMagic: you will also need the ndiswrapper-source, since it needs a kernel module to work as well |
| 18:29.18 | z00dax | i am sure the ubuntu wiki has some details on this, those guys are wiki-happy-monkeys |
| 18:29.24 | mozrat | SlayerXP, reading #gllug and the hantslug ml you have exceeded your quota for this evening. |
| 18:29.31 | mozrat | you may now rest |
| 18:30.13 | SlayerXP | mozrat: oh okay |
| 18:30.15 | TimMagic | the package manager only has the utils |
| 18:30.28 | z00dax | TimMagic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper |
| 18:30.38 | z00dax | TimMagic: see if that works for you |
| 18:39.57 | TimMagic | currently runign throught that |
| 18:40.06 | TimMagic | will let you know how it goes |
| 18:40.33 | z00dax | btw, what wifi card is it ? |
| 18:42.09 | z00dax | http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2006/06/msg00078.html |
| 18:42.11 | z00dax | wowzer! |
| 18:45.09 | mozrat | thats cool |
| 18:46.14 | z00dax | is indeed |
| 18:53.48 | TimMagic | z00dax: binatone wl1000 |
| 18:54.02 | TimMagic | which is installed allegedly - coz i have lights |
| 18:54.04 | TimMagic | but no action |
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| 19:26.01 | TimMagic | no luck |
| 19:26.24 | z00dax | how far do you get ? |
| 19:26.33 | z00dax | does 'ndiswrapper -l' say something interesting ? |
| 19:27.45 | TimMagic | its all installed |
| 19:28.02 | TimMagic | i ahve a 100% strength in my status bar |
| 19:28.17 | TimMagic | it just doesnt connect tot the net or mail or anything |
| 19:28.48 | z00dax | ok, so its a config issue |
| 19:28.58 | z00dax | do you use WEP or WPA on your network ? |
| 19:32.22 | TimMagic | woo got it going |
| 19:33.12 | z00dax | (TimMaic)++ |
| 19:48.14 | z00dax | TimMagic: freenx.berlios.de for the nx server, and www.nomachine.com for the client |
| 19:58.05 | TimMagic | client edition for both? |
| 19:59.07 | z00dax | humm ? |
| 19:59.21 | z00dax | actualy, since you run ubuntu - apt search freenx |
| 19:59.26 | z00dax | you need the server on the linux machine |
| 19:59.30 | z00dax | and the client on the windows machine |
| 19:59.42 | z00dax | and i bet there is a wiki page for Frenx on the wiki.ubuntu site :) |
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| 20:01.15 | UbuntuMagic | hey everyone! irc from my linux box!!! |
| 20:01.26 | UbuntuMagic | arent you excited for me? |
| 20:01.46 | mozrat | I can't describe how underwhelmed I feel |
| 20:02.08 | UbuntuMagic | yeah thanks mozrat! |
| 20:02.20 | UbuntuMagic | see you back on the desktop in a few |
| 20:05.54 | z00dax | mozrat: :) |
| 20:07.18 | TimMagic | z00dax: will this allow 2 way traffic twixt windoze and linux? |
| 20:08.09 | z00dax | I have a no idea what a twixt is |
| 20:10.47 | mozrat | TimMagic: you just missed this bloke called UbuntuMagic.... |
| 20:11.09 | mozrat | Mmmm... Caramel and chocolatey biscuit snacks |
| 20:11.16 | z00dax | mozrat: btw, whats the plan of travel for 9th july ? |
| 20:12.04 | z00dax | do we just 'get there' and look around ? or do we meet up locally and drive / train ? |
| 20:12.08 | mozrat | z00dax: I'm going to research the options but I think people will either drive or train from Euston |
| 20:12.15 | mozrat | We get there and meet up |
| 20:12.31 | mozrat | I don't think trying to hire a minibus or anything is a good idea |
| 20:12.48 | z00dax | humm, ok - I am happy to drive, as long as someone else wants to tag along - I might pickup George enroute, but that still leaves a few spots open |
| 20:12.57 | z00dax | George will ride in the boot |
| 20:13.05 | mozrat | Yes, I'm going to start asking about car shares as well |
| 20:13.26 | mozrat | I've been a bit "Tom Dick" recently and haven't had any energy to organise stuff |
| 20:17.35 | mozrat | afk, cheering on germany |
| 20:18.08 | z00dax | cya |
| 20:30.11 | TimMagic | mozrat: shame - id liked to have met him |
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| 20:46.18 | z00dax | angelchild: |
| 20:46.48 | angelchild | z00dax: |
| 20:48.36 | z00dax | angelchild: what do you think about the new /. look and feel ? |
| 20:48.45 | z00dax | I mostly like it, but am sort of not really sure |
| 20:49.24 | George | I@M HUNGRYRJRWIJGOIRGUESSSSRHGESPGR |
| 20:49.26 | angelchild | I found the old one easier to read |
| 20:49.50 | angelchild | too much 3D looking ness about this design |
| 20:50.02 | z00dax | i agree |
| 20:55.06 | George | z00dax: you agree with my hunger? |
| 20:55.52 | z00dax | i agree with angelchild's take on 3d'ness on /. |
| 20:55.56 | George | oh |
| 20:55.57 | George | I see |
| 20:56.00 | George | she's on ignore :D |
| 20:56.47 | angelchild | sigh |
| 20:56.52 | angelchild | ignoring people is rude |
| 20:57.17 | z00dax | angelchild: his loss |
| 20:57.29 | George | z00dax: I haven't lost anything |
| 20:57.32 | George | she's an arsehole |
| 20:57.41 | z00dax | George: nothing that you know about anyway |
| 20:58.30 | angelchild | :< |
| 21:11.13 | TimMagic | grr stuoid germans |
| 21:11.30 | TimMagic | s/stuoid/stupid/ |
| 21:22.13 | murb | loud germans |
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| 21:27.04 | angelchild | woo |
| 21:27.05 | angelchild | yay |
| 21:27.07 | angelchild | houpla |
| 21:27.17 | UbuntuMagic | quoi? |
| 21:29.46 | angelchild | my housemate unplugged The Internet(tm) without telling the rest of us :D |
| 21:31.18 | TimMagic | d'oh |
| 21:33.07 | angelchild | hmm |
| 21:33.21 | angelchild | should i install the 64 bit version of ubuntu or the 32 bit |
| 21:33.26 | TimMagic | but the internet (tm) is back |
| 21:33.31 | TimMagic | erm i dunno |
| 21:33.32 | angelchild | how good is the support for running 32 bit apps on 64 bit mode? |
| 21:33.36 | TimMagic | what on? |
| 21:34.10 | TimMagic | i have found the support to be quite good |
| 21:34.19 | TimMagic | but i am fairly new to the game so... |
| 21:35.46 | angelchild | it's an amd64 |
| 21:36.30 | angelchild | AMD Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 21:40.20 | z00dax | angelchild: you might want to read on how ubuntu / debian do their 32bit stuff on x86_64 |
| 21:40.36 | z00dax | you are much better off installing a rpm based distro if you want things to just work |
| 21:40.57 | z00dax | or just use i386 /i686 - unless you actually need the lm support |
| 21:44.30 | angelchild | heh |
| 21:44.43 | angelchild | I was told off for even suggesting using an rpm based distro the other day xD |
| 21:45.00 | z00dax | by whom ? |
| 21:45.16 | z00dax | pretty much everyone here, who uses stable machines, runs a rpm based distro |
| 21:46.06 | cpufreak | really |
| 21:46.21 | z00dax | most people do, i think |
| 21:46.24 | George | emerge!!! |
| 21:46.28 | cpufreak | I would disagree. |
| 21:46.47 | z00dax | cpufreak: who all from the regular's here dont use rpm based distro's ? |
| 21:46.52 | cpufreak | I dunno |
| 21:46.56 | cpufreak | as I don't know anyone here really |
| 21:46.57 | George | z00dax: STOP ABUSING THE APOSTROPHE |
| 21:46.58 | z00dax | specially people using it on none legacy kit |
| 21:47.14 | z00dax | s/none/non/ |
| 21:47.14 | cpufreak | but everyone I know who has to run linux, uses a debian based one |
| 21:47.40 | z00dax | cpufreak: maybe.. |
| 21:47.43 | cpufreak | traditionally Debian/Stable, but recently lots of Ubuntu |
| 21:47.57 | z00dax | but have you seen how debian supports multilib ? |
| 21:48.07 | cpufreak | no |
| 21:48.09 | z00dax | humm ubuntu is interesting |
| 21:48.25 | TimMagic | ubuntu is great |
| 21:48.25 | z00dax | but the thing that i find sort of funny is how they intend to support their code base drapper drake for 5 years |
| 21:48.30 | cpufreak | but I wouldn't run linux on x64 yet |
| 21:48.33 | z00dax | there is a lot of very broken stuff in there |
| 21:48.46 | cpufreak | on anything remotely production |
| 21:48.55 | z00dax | either someone is going to need to come up with a lot of money to hire lots of people working 24/7 on this or well they just wont |
| 21:49.02 | z00dax | cpufreak: why not ? |
| 21:49.19 | cpufreak | well no, they will provide security fixes for it |
| 21:49.21 | z00dax | and i presume when you say x64 - its x86_64 and not ia64 ? |
| 21:49.41 | z00dax | cpufreak: sure, how about bugfix's ? and api stability and kabi compliance even ? |
| 21:49.44 | cpufreak | and they have worked hard on making a frame work to allow them to easily apply the security fixes, without high administrative overhead |
| 21:50.03 | z00dax | enterprise stability is more than just security fix's |
| 21:50.11 | TimMagic | z00dax: only because they spend so much time on updates - ubuntu normally gives 18 mths support |
| 21:50.12 | cpufreak | z00dax: it'll just be the same as RedHat supporting RHES 2.1 for 3 years |
| 21:50.16 | z00dax | but we shall see what they come up with - its a good project, they have some good people working on it |
| 21:50.19 | cpufreak | or whtever |
| 21:50.30 | cpufreak | last time I used redhat it had broken stuff in it |
| 21:50.35 | z00dax | cpufreak: not at all - RH's policy and codebase work is very differnt from what ubuntu / canonical plan on doing |
| 21:50.53 | z00dax | even suse's policy work for sles is very different |
| 21:51.19 | cpufreak | its the same in that it will require some stuff which in hindsigh might be proved to be wrong, |
| 21:51.22 | cpufreak | to be supported |
| 21:51.27 | TimMagic | z00dax: they are gonna use the time to fix the broken bits |
| 21:51.32 | cpufreak | and have bugfixes and security fixes applied to it |
| 21:51.40 | cpufreak | and in the mean time release new versions |
| 21:51.47 | cpufreak | :) |
| 21:52.02 | z00dax | right - RH and SUSE have been doing this for a long time |
| 21:52.05 | cpufreak | doesn't bother me, in 5 years time, I would hope most people would be using Solaris </troll> |
| 21:52.08 | angelchild | so what'd be a good distro to go with, Mandriva? |
| 21:52.33 | z00dax | angelchild: depends on what you want to do really |
| 21:52.42 | angelchild | develop and play games mostly |
| 21:52.51 | z00dax | angelchild: fedora - with its extras and livna repo's is starting to look like the best rpm distro out there |
| 21:53.00 | TimMagic | ubuntu is VERY user friendly |
| 21:53.07 | TimMagic | fedora is good |
| 21:53.13 | TimMagic | mandrake is easy ish |
| 21:53.27 | z00dax | TimMagic: i am sure angelchild is beyond the basic user friendly requirements |
| 21:53.38 | z00dax | she's been doing this for a while ( my guess ) |
| 21:53.39 | angelchild | I've used linux systems extensively before :) |
| 21:53.44 | TimMagic | my bad |
| 21:53.48 | angelchild | no worries! |
| 21:54.06 | TimMagic | i assume that everyone is at my level of incompetence! |
| 21:54.18 | TimMagic | usually wrongly :-) |
| 21:54.20 | angelchild | hehe |
| 21:54.47 | z00dax | angelchild: opensuse has had a few good things posted about it - but fedora has more rpms that you can just install |
| 21:55.23 | z00dax | I dont know about mdk, its been a very long time since i used it - and i am not sure how good their x86_64 stuf is |
| 21:56.03 | angelchild | mandriva was the one i had installed a few months ago |
| 21:56.11 | angelchild | it was alright then but a tiny bit flaky |
| 21:56.18 | angelchild | urpmi is good |
| 21:56.24 | angelchild | (its package manager) |
| 21:56.33 | z00dax | yes, its good - mostly just works |
| 21:56.52 | z00dax | yum has evolved much recently, as has smartpm |
| 21:57.00 | angelchild | smartpm? |
| 21:57.31 | z00dax | http://www.smartpm.org |
| 21:58.04 | angelchild | oh! i forgot about http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 21:58.20 | z00dax | btw, you might also want to look at CentOS |
| 21:58.24 | George | I hate work |
| 21:58.38 | z00dax | its solid, stable and will be supported for a while - but it wont give you the latest / greatest at this time |
| 22:08.59 | TimMagic | tim.lukejones@tiscali.co.uk |
| 22:09.02 | TimMagic | d'oh! |
| 22:09.07 | TimMagic | wrong keyboard |
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| 22:18.23 | George | TimMagic: asshole! |
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| 22:29.25 | z00dax | ok zzzz time |
| 22:30.54 | TimMagic | george is being rude again |
| 22:30.59 | TimMagic | nn z00dax |
| 22:32.15 | z00dax | btw, if someone *cough* finds *cough* Wonderland Avenue's Journeyman ... I'd be happy to get it off you :) |
| 22:32.49 | z00dax | I heard that at a club a few weeks back - and i really want it |
| 22:32.57 | z00dax | bubye for now |
| 22:33.08 | TimMagic | toodles |
| 22:33.26 | George | club?????????? |
| 22:35.59 | TimMagic | its where adults go to drink alcohol |
| 22:36.14 | TimMagic | ill introduce you to both one day |
| 22:48.49 | George | TimMagic: ... |
| 22:48.58 | George | TimMagic: I hate socialising. I also don't drink. I LIKE MY BRAIN. |
| 22:51.46 | angelchild | some of us don't :( |
| 22:59.15 | TimMagic | angelchild:dont what? |
| 23:00.10 | angelchild | like George's brain |
| 23:00.59 | TimMagic | ok |
| 23:01.10 | TimMagic | i am with you on that one |
| 23:01.33 | George | TimMagic: ? |
| 23:02.20 | TimMagic | not liking your brain |
| 23:02.39 | George | TimMagic: my brain is fantastic |
| 23:03.02 | TimMagic | yep |
| 23:03.06 | TimMagic | sure it is |
| 23:04.49 | TimMagic | you are odd |
| 23:04.56 | TimMagic | but its endearing so dont worry |
| 23:05.44 | George | you suck! |
| 23:06.00 | TimMagic | oi |
| 23:06.12 | TimMagic | that was almost a compliment from me |
| 23:06.24 | George | I HATE COMPLIMENTS |
| 23:07.09 | TimMagic | ok |
| 23:07.16 | TimMagic | sorry |
| 23:11.45 | George | wethrin: WAKE UP |
| 23:29.06 | TimMagic | why do you want to kill me george? |
| 23:29.21 | TimMagic | i sense a deep rooted hate for life |
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| 23:51.16 | Leeds | Can we fix it? YES WE CAN! |
| 23:52.15 | TimMagic | woo hey leeds |
| 23:52.25 | TimMagic | hows the far east? |
| 23:52.54 | Leeds | eastern, and a long way away... how's the near west? |
| 23:53.10 | TimMagic | erm - ok thanks |
| 23:53.31 | Leeds | well, American has to be the far west, right? |
| 23:53.49 | George | no |
| 23:53.53 | George | far far east |
| 23:57.57 | Leeds | so, last night I'm in an Irish pub in China with a couple of Indians and a Chinese/American guy... and an Israeli girl (beautiful, intelligent, rich... engaged) comes in with her German friend... |
| 23:58.20 | TimMagic | ooh i have head this one.... |
| 23:58.26 | Leeds | sorry, (beautiful, intelligent, rich, works for a chocolate company and, by her own admission, makes a mean hummous and falafel) :-) |
| 23:58.37 | Leeds | funny thing - not a joke :-) |
| 23:58.42 | TimMagic | oh |
| 23:58.58 | TimMagic | so its not the one that ends with a python and a feather duster? |
| 23:59.32 | Leeds | nope - that was a couple of weeks ago... |
| 23:59.42 | TimMagic | ill be quiet so you can carry on... |
| 23:59.54 | Leeds | well, it was a feather boa, which is sort of a compression of the two :-) |