| 00:00.11 | wethrin | Shouldn't you be sleeping before your exam? |
| 00:08.58 | George | nah |
| 00:09.02 | George | I generally don't sleep before exams |
| 00:09.13 | George | I've just learnt everything on the syllabus anyway |
| 00:11.38 | angelchild | :o |
| 00:11.44 | angelchild | best way to pass A levels |
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| 00:37.15 | z00dax | ah. new kernel.. |
| 00:44.18 | Leeds | those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end, we'd sing and dance forever and a day |
| 00:49.54 | Leeds | on a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair... |
| 01:09.39 | Leeds | time to go to work |
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| 03:35.00 | JAV | I want my 1GB with lowmem back :( |
| 03:35.26 | Leeds | well you can't have it, so ner! |
| 03:36.24 | JAV | I had it until 2.6.17 |
| 03:36.28 | JAV | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6554 |
| 03:39.44 | JAV | It looks like they hide the option to prevent erroneous use and submit kernel unrelated bugs |
| 03:41.53 | Leeds | oh, Hugh did it? |
| 03:42.21 | Leeds | I know Hugh... he was at SCO at the same time as me |
| 03:47.27 | JAV | I think 896MB will be fine for a while, I prefer less mem (never fully used) than random halts |
| 04:14.53 | JAV | good night (little remains) |
| 04:49.30 | morsing | 'morning |
| 04:49.35 | Leeds | hi |
| 04:50.13 | morsing | How are you? |
| 04:50.41 | Leeds | not bad... a little tired... you? |
| 04:51.21 | morsing | Pretty good thanks |
| 04:51.33 | morsing | And your niece? |
| 04:51.42 | Leeds | I don't have a niece |
| 04:51.51 | morsing | thankyou |
| 04:51.59 | Leeds | ? |
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| 06:38.54 | Leeds | " For the first five months of this year, the HKIA [Hong Kong International Airport] recorded passenger traffic of 17.7 mln" - compared with a total resident population of 7 million |
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| 07:13.56 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 07:15.44 | sabinef72 | morning all |
| 07:15.58 | Leeds | bonjour sabinef72 |
| 07:16.13 | sabinef72 | bonjour Leeds : comment ca va en Chine ? |
| 07:16.49 | Leeds | bon, bon |
| 07:17.07 | Leeds | my French isn't that good - I understand better than I speak/write :-) |
| 07:18.15 | sabinef72 | in this case you can answer "bien" not "bon" |
| 07:18.20 | Leeds | il fait chaud |
| 07:18.40 | sabinef72 | quelle température ? |
| 07:18.43 | morsing | Salut sabinef72 |
| 07:19.15 | Leeds | 28C |
| 07:19.30 | sabinef72 | coucou morsing |
| 07:19.53 | sabinef72 | Leeds: il fait la même température à Paris mais évidemment pas le même degré d'humidité |
| 07:21.07 | Leeds | 75% humitidy here now, which is quite low |
| 07:21.42 | sabinef72 | well my station meteo says 49% in France ! |
| 07:22.47 | Leeds | I meant low for Hong Kong - it peaked at about 97% a few hours ago here |
| 07:23.31 | sabinef72 | yeah I know |
| 07:23.42 | sabinef72 | I just wanted to compare about our two countries |
| 07:23.51 | murb | moin |
| 07:24.06 | Leeds | afternoon murb |
| 07:24.33 | sabinef72 | hi murb |
| 07:28.50 | morsing | murb! |
| 07:35.14 | morsing | Check it! |
| 07:46.58 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 08:02.19 | morsing | ping SlayerXP |
| 08:10.05 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 08:10.50 | Leeds | yes? |
| 08:10.58 | morsing | Perl expert? |
| 08:11.52 | Leeds | absolutely not |
| 08:13.11 | murb | morsing: rewrite whatever it is in python then ask leeds. |
| 08:15.44 | Leeds | or possibly at the unicode people - or possibly at God, for that whole Babel thing |
| 08:16.12 | murb | use Babelfish; |
| 08:16.20 | morsing | What does ExtUtils:MY do?! |
| 08:16.21 | murb | import babelfish; |
| 08:16.25 | morsing | murb: Twat |
| 08:16.27 | Leeds | Yahoo! groups is sending broken mail headers |
| 08:16.53 | Leeds | they are sending 8-bit data (iso-8859-1 by the looks of things) without marking it as being non-ascii |
| 08:17.18 | murb | morsing: http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.30/lib/ExtUtils/MY.pm |
| 08:17.20 | Leeds | python, of course, says "this has no content-type, so it must be ascii - oh, no, there's 8-bit data in it, die die die" |
| 08:17.49 | morsing | murb: Thanks - you were actually helpful there :) |
| 08:18.04 | mozrat | good morning one and all! |
| 08:18.09 | Leeds | hello mozrat! |
| 08:18.21 | mozrat | hihi Leeds |
| 08:18.53 | morsing | mozzie! |
| 08:19.07 | mozrat | morssie :-) |
| 08:19.55 | mozrat | Leeds, yesterday i learnt that the Python logging module and configparser are both good things |
| 08:20.06 | Leeds | it's not fucking ascii! |
| 08:20.21 | mozrat | and that irclib is a little cryptic |
| 08:21.52 | Leeds | if it's the one I think it is, the main problem I had with it was that it was far too close to the protocol |
| 08:22.46 | mozrat | Leeds, well it comes with irclib.py and ircbot.py - to get any sort of abstraction you need to make a subclass of ircbot |
| 08:23.09 | mozrat | irclib on its own is too hard for me to work with |
| 08:24.48 | morsing | Ceck it! |
| 08:25.00 | mozrat | Yes, i know Leeds does have :-) |
| 08:25.15 | Leeds | indeed |
| 08:25.44 | mozrat | we are lucky to have trains moving within tunnels without getting stuck |
| 08:25.58 | mozrat | gprs coverage is a quantum leap |
| 08:31.39 | morsing | Check it¬! |
| 08:35.34 | Leeds | ARGH!!!!! |
| 08:35.36 | Leeds | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 34: ordinal not in range(128) |
| 08:35.37 | morsing | :( |
| 08:35.45 | Leeds | I FUCKING TOLD IT TO USE UTF-8!!! |
| 08:35.54 | morsing | tomcat.vhosts.conftomcat.vhosts.conf |
| 08:36.33 | Leeds | of course the bloody ordinal isn't in range(128) - it's not ascii - and I've told you it's not ascii - it's bloody Spanish! |
| 08:36.55 | sabinef72 | bonjour mozrat |
| 08:42.49 | morsing | Testing alignment requirements for U32... In file included from u32align.c:8: |
| 08:45.29 | Leeds | I am now getting somewhere, by manually encoding and decoding strings all over the place... which should make things behave as though the world were utf-8 - which is what I wanted in the first place, but in a non-manual way |
| 08:46.37 | morsing | :( |
| 08:50.22 | morsing | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64intConfig. |
| 08:50.23 | morsing | pm', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 08:50.25 | morsing | HELP! |
| 08:50.26 | morsing | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64intConfig. |
| 08:51.15 | Leeds | ARGH! |
| 08:53.06 | Leeds | for example, why is the question "What booking class is my ticket in?" so hard? |
| 08:55.35 | Leeds | I am flying on Singapore Airlines, which has a mile-sharing arrangement with Virgin (one company owns 49% or 51% of the other - can't remember which way around), and their site lists the booking classes (aka fare classes) which earn miles, and those which don't |
| 08:56.52 | Leeds | it really shouldn't be a hard question for a travel agent to answer... I've asked it 3 times now |
| 09:00.12 | morsing | How do I grep for all the target names in a Makefile? |
| 09:02.20 | morsing | Hello? |
| 09:03.10 | Leeds | ah, got the answer I wanted from the agent |
| 09:03.21 | morsing | Leeds: How do I grep for all the target names in a Makefile? |
| 09:03.32 | Leeds | what am I, a regex expert? |
| 09:03.43 | morsing | ibot Leeds is also a regexp expert |
| 09:03.46 | ibot | okay, morsing |
| 09:03.47 | Leeds | start with something like ^.*: |
| 09:04.15 | morsing | Leeds: Good start |
| 09:04.17 | morsing | Then? |
| 09:04.40 | Leeds | play with it |
| 09:04.43 | morsing | :( |
| 09:04.57 | Leeds | morsing: how do I get python to handle non-ascii data sanely? |
| 09:05.19 | morsing | Use RoR |
| 09:05.31 | morsing | What am I, a Python expert? |
| 09:05.57 | Leeds | ibot morsing is also a Python expert |
| 09:05.58 | ibot | okay, Leeds |
| 09:07.39 | sabinef72 | l |
| 09:07.43 | morsing | 2 |
| 09:07.47 | sabinef72 | oups sorry |
| 09:07.54 | Leeds | c |
| 09:08.00 | morsing | h |
| 09:08.19 | sabinef72 | it wasn't a 1 but a l |
| 09:08.32 | Leeds | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/hongkong/ |
| 09:08.41 | Leeds | sabinef72: lama? |
| 09:08.56 | morsing | Nicw |
| 09:08.56 | sabinef72 | and my finger was dragging |
| 09:09.04 | morsing | Mmmm... dragging |
| 09:09.20 | morsing | SLAYERXP! |
| 09:09.34 | sabinef72 | morsing: Did I make a mistake ? |
| 09:10.01 | morsing | sabinef72: Nope |
| 09:11.59 | sabinef72 | morsing: so why "Mmmmm.... dragging ?" |
| 09:12.08 | Cope | hello |
| 09:13.08 | Leeds | morning Cope |
| 09:14.01 | mozrat | Good morsing |
| 09:14.05 | mozrat | umm, Good Morning |
| 09:14.20 | morsing | Cope! |
| 09:14.32 | mozrat | 'jour sabinef72 |
| 09:14.45 | sabinef72 | mozrat :-) |
| 09:15.06 | sabinef72 | Leeds: very nice pics |
| 09:15.26 | Leeds | sabinef72: not mine! just a nice way of keeping up with the pics of Hong Kong which people post on flickr |
| 09:17.00 | morsing | Why would I get this error? |
| 09:17.01 | morsing | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64intConfig. |
| 09:17.02 | morsing | pm', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 09:17.21 | Leeds | oooh |
| 09:18.19 | sabinef72 | Leeds: ok I see, but some pics are georgous |
| 09:20.12 | Leeds | morsing: it means that file is listed as a dependency for whatever you're doing, but it's not there, and the makefile doesn't contain instructions on how to build it |
| 09:20.19 | Leeds | sabinef72: that's why I posted the link :-) |
| 09:20.44 | sabinef72 | great idea |
| 09:20.53 | sabinef72 | thank you |
| 09:21.09 | Leeds | the number of photos of, on, or from the Star Ferry is incredible - it's so popular, and rightly so |
| 09:22.12 | Leeds | the Star Ferry is the little-ish rounded-end boat which just goes back and forth across the harbour - takes about 7 minutes, and costs $2.2 (in first class) |
| 09:22.16 | Leeds | ibot change 2.2 hkd to eur |
| 09:24.30 | sabinef72 | yes the one which makes me .... ill !!!!!! |
| 09:24.36 | wethrin | morning |
| 09:24.50 | sabinef72 | 7 minutes it's long when you are ill by this stupid "ferry" |
| 09:25.24 | Leeds | ah, it's great fun :-) I don't understand how anyone can get ill on it... |
| 09:25.48 | Leeds | sabinef72: I take it you're not from anywhere near a coast? |
| 09:28.57 | morsing | Woo - I love you Leeds! |
| 09:29.01 | morsing | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=4811 |
| 09:29.24 | sabinef72 | I took it 2 times : first Canton - Hong Kong (2 h 30) and second time in Hong Kong just to go to HK Island |
| 09:29.55 | sabinef72 | Leeds: because the boat is always moving right, left, right, left.... |
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| 09:30.10 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 09:30.22 | stephanb2 | morsing! |
| 09:30.39 | Leeds | ah, Canton -> Hong Kong isn't Star Ferry - I've done the Macau run a few times, and various island ferries, and I love them all - the rocking of the boat is fun, is relaxing... |
| 09:31.16 | Leeds | morsing: it did look like a slightly strange filename... |
| 09:32.09 | stephanb2 | templeofdoomfreepornwatchthisimavirus.wmv.exe |
| 09:32.27 | stephanb2 | a good name for a file, not suspicious |
| 09:35.54 | sabinef72 | Leeds: ferry fun and relaxing ? no no no |
| 09:36.40 | Leeds | yes! I'm annoyed that I didn't go on one at all this weekend - I try to do it at least once a week |
| 09:36.54 | morsing | Leeds: So how do I get around it? |
| 09:37.24 | Leeds | morsing: am I a Perl expert? |
| 09:37.48 | morsing | ibot Leeds |
| 09:37.49 | ibot | leeds is, like, a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert |
| 09:37.58 | morsing | ...and Perl expert |
| 09:38.04 | morsing | So yes |
| 09:39.10 | sabinef72 | funny |
| 09:39.38 | Leeds | ibot Leeds is also been fired from the bra company |
| 09:39.39 | ibot | okay, Leeds |
| 09:40.52 | morsing | ibot morsing |
| 09:40.53 | ibot | you are probably a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. capable of having bee-wax applied to the plucking end, or mozrat, or verb: to paste random crap devoid of context, or not a CNAME for mozrat, or a Python expert |
| 09:41.29 | Leeds | what's that about the wax? |
| 09:41.48 | morsing | Leeds: Can't remeber who brought that up |
| 09:41.56 | morsing | Cope and murb possibly? |
| 09:42.11 | Leeds | probably |
| 09:42.51 | Leeds | ibot sabinef72 is French |
| 09:42.53 | ibot | ...but sabinef72 is already something else... |
| 09:42.58 | Leeds | ibot sabinef72 |
| 09:42.59 | ibot | methinks sabinef72 is an hour ahead, or a lady in the future |
| 09:43.27 | Leeds | bah... an hour??? |
| 09:43.51 | morsing | ibot floo |
| 09:43.53 | ibot | from memory, floo is http://www.lonix.org.uk |
| 09:43.56 | morsing | :) |
| 09:44.01 | sabinef72 | because I forgot than In france it's not the same hour than in England (we are in summer hour in France now) |
| 09:44.01 | morsing | ~seen floo |
| 09:44.12 | ibot | floo <n=gary@host-83-146-39-125.bulldogdsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 13d 21h 56m 4s ago, saying: 'fraid not' i can just about manage 'apt-get install <pakagename>''. |
| 09:44.12 | murb | oh a representative from the frankreich? |
| 09:44.48 | sabinef72 | murb: yeah |
| 09:45.48 | murb | everyone should carry gps watches and use proper local time. |
| 09:45.49 | Leeds | sabinef72: I am in UTC+8 |
| 09:46.20 | sabinef72 | Leeds: I know |
| 09:48.07 | sabinef72 | murb: perhaps |
| 09:49.20 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: do i guess from your channels that you have a couple of old macs running PPC linux ? |
| 09:50.08 | sabinef72 | I have an ibook G4 and another ibook in my kitchen |
| 09:50.17 | Leeds | woohoo - vim7 for os/2 has been released... |
| 09:50.21 | sabinef72 | but all with linux |
| 09:50.30 | sabinef72 | I'm not using mac os |
| 09:50.39 | stephanb2 | huh i was expecting to hear about G2s turned into print servers |
| 09:50.55 | Leeds | I should try putting Linux onto my powerbook... or just buy a new laptop... |
| 09:51.14 | sabinef72 | but most of time I'm using another computer |
| 09:52.22 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: can i ask why not use os-x as a desktop os? doing development ? |
| 09:52.39 | stephanb2 | s/core cuo/core duo/ |
| 09:52.46 | sabinef72 | well... I'm not a geek woman |
| 09:53.11 | sabinef72 | so my husband installed linux everywhere and I'm just using computers with linux inside |
| 09:54.28 | stephanb2 | oic |
| 09:55.49 | stephanb2 | i am in a similar situation as your husband, but was wondering whether my gf would not b happier with os-x on x86 as a desktop |
| 09:55.57 | sabinef72 | I don't know how make code and about other channels where I am about linux : one I see some friends of mine and the other I'm in the team but I'm not coding only help for the website |
| 09:56.24 | sabinef72 | gf ? |
| 09:56.32 | Leeds | girlfriend |
| 09:56.36 | sabinef72 | ahhhhhh |
| 09:56.36 | stephanb2 | being aware that os-x would probably use 400% more cpu than a gnome desktop |
| 09:57.28 | sabinef72 | yes I have gnome on the mac in my kitchen |
| 09:57.30 | Leeds | but it's 400% shinier! |
| 09:58.02 | George | finished S3 |
| 09:58.04 | George | I rock. |
| 09:59.38 | stephanb2 | Leeds: yes 400% shinier, although i'm not sure she would care too much about that. imho it's probably good for the "designers" market |
| 10:00.08 | George | GNOME sucks. |
| 10:00.12 | George | down with GNOME. |
| 10:00.15 | George | ROAR |
| 10:01.30 | antiphase | blackbox++ |
| 10:01.53 | stephanb2 | oh hi George, how was your weekend :-D ? |
| 10:02.27 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: well ure getting an idea on how easy it is to start a desktop-war or os-war on this chan :-) |
| 10:02.42 | sabinef72 | did I make a troll ? |
| 10:03.12 | sabinef72 | George: don't be mad, I'm using kde on my own computer |
| 10:03.25 | Leeds | afterstep++ |
| 10:03.33 | Leeds | and who the fsck is antiphase? :-) |
| 10:03.41 | George | all you desktop weenies |
| 10:03.57 | Leeds | I don't use a desktop - I use a window manager |
| 10:04.37 | sabinef72 | stephanb2: like a bomb in a channel..... |
| 10:05.04 | Leeds | sabinef72: yeah, George has that effect |
| 10:06.37 | stephanb2 | I don't fly a "model aircraft", I fly an "unmanned robotic air vehicle" |
| 10:07.19 | murb | is it in any way autonimous? |
| 10:08.46 | stephanb2 | no, just putting the "window manager" quote in another context |
| 10:09.09 | Leeds | no, a 'window manager' and a 'desktop' have very different connotations |
| 10:09.19 | stephanb2 | i don't fly a model aricraft btw |
| 10:09.48 | stephanb2 | Leeds: actually correct. i have played with minimalist window managers that have "no desktop" |
| 10:10.05 | Cope | stephanb2: well, yes, by definition |
| 10:10.20 | Cope | stephanb2: they just manage windows; the 'desktop' being a root window |
| 10:10.23 | Leeds | most window managers have 'no desktop' - it's the normal state of affairs for a window manager... |
| 10:10.50 | Leeds | I've been using afterstep now for at least 8 years |
| 10:17.48 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:59.43 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: stupid question, what brings you on a london channel? |
| 11:00.56 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com) |
| 11:02.05 | Leeds | that is, I think, the first time I've ever upgraded my graphics driver by downloading a tarball and doing configure;make;make install on it |
| 11:08.04 | sabinef72 | stephanb2: someone pushed me there |
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| 11:19.21 | keithlard | morning orning |
| 11:19.44 | Leeds | evening |
| 11:20.26 | sabinef72 | afternoon |
| 11:20.34 | keithlard | :) |
| 11:20.46 | keithlard | hola y salut a tout le monde |
| 11:21.12 | sabinef72 | hola keithlard. Qué tal ? |
| 11:23.14 | keithlard | muy bien pues que hay aquÃ? :) |
| 11:23.34 | sabinef72 | muy bien muy bien |
| 11:53.16 | morsing | Check it! |
| 12:15.11 | morsing | Moo |
| 12:15.52 | keithlard | hello :) |
| 12:18.47 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 12:19.19 | keithlard | what's up |
| 12:19.42 | morsing | Not much. Struggling with a stupid Perl issue |
| 12:20.52 | keithlard | share it with us! then we can feel cheerful because we're not involved |
| 12:23.45 | morsing | keithlard: Scroll up and you'll see |
| 12:24.34 | keithlard | naw, i got disconnected for some reason |
| 12:25.54 | keithlard | #gllug hates me! :( |
| 12:36.42 | stephanb2 | morsing: ah stupid Perl! brings back memories... |
| 12:37.23 | keithlard | perl horrifies me now. i can't believe that i once was pretty much of a good perl programmer |
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| 12:41.02 | morsing | JAV! |
| 12:41.13 | JAV | morsing! |
| 12:41.20 | JAV | good afternoon all |
| 12:41.56 | keithlard | hola viejo |
| 12:42.38 | JAV | viejo? soy un chaval! :D |
| 12:44.00 | keithlard | :) |
| 12:44.21 | stephanb2 | keithlard: i wouldn't blame Perl per se. however, imho, perl lets u get away with murder. i'm not sure that's a good idea for a programming language |
| 12:47.56 | JAV | keithlard: you might find this useful --> http://pastebin.com/718285 |
| 12:50.17 | JAV | $rae.sh word --> it search word into "THE" spanish dictionary |
| 12:50.47 | keithlard | stephanb2> i know what you're saying, but there's more to it than that. everything in perl is built around a set of design assumptions which i no longer agree with |
| 12:51.10 | keithlard | jav> nice! |
| 12:52.10 | stephanb2 | keithlard: my impression is that perl is at first a way to solve problems with text files in a quick and dirty way |
| 12:52.27 | JAV | it's faster than using the web site http://www.rae.es/ |
| 12:52.31 | stephanb2 | keithlard: but writing code that is meant to be re-used requires *effort* |
| 12:52.48 | keithlard | yes, a decent unit test library would be a good start |
| 12:53.06 | keithlard | jav> i use the firefox search bar plugins for wordreference.com |
| 12:55.41 | JAV | I didn't know it. Bookmarked |
| 12:56.39 | keithlard | it's pretty good! |
| 12:57.32 | morsing | Will I fit a medium size jacket? |
| 12:57.42 | keithlard | i tried writing some stuff test first in perl, spent ages looking for the unit test library, found there are about 12 of them, struggled to install any of them, tried to write my own, gave up, switched to ruby :) |
| 12:59.24 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 13:09.58 | morsing | Hello? |
| 13:17.50 | morsing | Ok, this variable: |
| 13:17.51 | morsing | CCDLFLAGS = -R /usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64int/CORE |
| 13:18.00 | morsing | is only defined once in the Makefile |
| 13:18.09 | morsing | Is that right? |
| 13:19.22 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 13:21.24 | Leeds | pong |
| 13:21.30 | morsing | CCDLFLAGS = -R /usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64int/CORE |
| 13:22.34 | Leeds | yes, it's Perl - not my problem |
| 13:22.41 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 13:22.52 | keithlard | so what is it that's not working? |
| 13:22.57 | morsing | ibot Leeds is also not my problem |
| 13:22.58 | ibot | okay, morsing |
| 13:23.13 | JAV | http://www.santandersummerfestival.com (FLASH) |
| 13:23.37 | morsing | keithlard: It can't find a bunch of Config.pm files because it leaves the / out before the file |
| 13:23.44 | Leeds | morsing: contact your Sun account rep |
| 13:23.50 | morsing | So it's looking for PathConfig.pm basically |
| 13:24.00 | morsing | Instead of Path/Config.pm |
| 13:24.06 | morsing | When I run make |
| 13:24.14 | morsing | ibot Leeds |
| 13:24.16 | ibot | methinks leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem |
| 13:24.59 | keithlard | are you building perl? |
| 13:25.11 | morsing | No, trying to install a module |
| 13:25.18 | keithlard | right |
| 13:25.49 | keithlard | and where is it picking up the path from that's missing a trailling slash? |
| 13:26.02 | morsing | Don't know |
| 13:26.43 | morsing | It's the path up until CORE in this variable though |
| 13:26.45 | morsing | CCDLFLAGS = -R /usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64int/CORE |
| 13:27.50 | keithlard | can you pastebin the makefile? |
| 13:28.43 | Leeds | morsing: you'd be quite happy to help me with a lottery problem, right? |
| 13:28.51 | morsing | Yes |
| 13:29.21 | Leeds | you know what I mean |
| 13:29.29 | morsing | Yes |
| 13:29.47 | Leeds | Perl has never been my thing, and it's not my thing now |
| 13:30.54 | morsing | keithlard: http://www.morsing.cc/Makefile |
| 13:31.02 | morsing | Leeds: Make it your thing. Quickly! |
| 13:31.22 | Leeds | I have no intention of Perl ever being my thing |
| 13:32.12 | keithlard | so it looks like there are two places where that path is set: |
| 13:32.23 | keithlard | SITEARCHEXP = /usr/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/sun4-solaris-64int |
| 13:32.44 | keithlard | and PERL_ARCHLIB = /usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64int ... ah the other one's different |
| 13:33.00 | keithlard | so it must be PERL_ARCHLIB... does it work if you add a trailing slash to that? |
| 13:36.40 | morsing | Nope. It adds a directory after that |
| 13:36.47 | morsing | bash-2.05$ make |
| 13:36.47 | morsing | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64int/COREco |
| 13:36.47 | morsing | nfig.h', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 13:36.59 | keithlard | hmm! |
| 13:37.21 | keithlard | so it looks like the CORE one that is messing up... how if you add a slash to that one? |
| 13:37.49 | morsing | Where do I find that? And it's not just CORE. It does it on all directories I think |
| 13:38.59 | keithlard | hmm that is intresting... can you pastebin the full output of make? |
| 13:39.08 | keithlard | i reckon we can track this down all right |
| 13:42.32 | morsing | keithlard: That is the full output |
| 13:43.46 | keithlard | oh ok |
| 13:44.08 | keithlard | sorry not paying attention :) |
| 13:46.11 | keithlard | what does 'echo $DIRFILESEP' say |
| 13:46.50 | keithlard | that's what it's using as a path separator. if that's null, it might explain the problem. |
| 13:48.58 | keithlard | try changing "DFSEP = $(DIRFILESEP)" to "DFSEP = /" |
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| 14:18.10 | morsing | keithlard: I think tat worked but now have another erorr |
| 14:18.20 | morsing | make: *** No rule to make target `blibdirs', needed by `config'. Stop. |
| 14:25.16 | keithlard | graaah |
| 14:25.46 | morsing | :( |
| 14:26.33 | keithlard | well popping out for lunch, in the meantime 'make -d' might be helpful to see what rules it's using |
| 14:26.42 | morsing | config :: $(FIRST_MAKEFILE) blibdirs |
| 14:26.43 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.26 | morsing | Whatsa .ts file? |
| 14:42.19 | stephanb2 | morsing: could it be a perl-Tk stuff ? |
| 14:43.42 | stephanb2 | in my line of work it can be an mpeg-2 transport stream |
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| 14:45.41 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 14:45.55 | morsing | Leeds: What's a .ts file? |
| 14:46.08 | Leeds | dunno... what's the context? |
| 14:46.12 | morsing | Leeds: Perl |
| 14:46.27 | Leeds | Perl is not my problem |
| 14:46.50 | morsing | ibot Leeds |
| 14:46.55 | ibot | rumour has it, leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem |
| 14:47.56 | morsing | What's "pilla"? |
| 14:48.17 | Leeds | no idea what you're talking about |
| 14:48.21 | morsing | ibot pilla |
| 14:48.36 | morsing | Got a text with the word pilla in it |
| 14:48.43 | morsing | No idea what it is |
| 14:48.45 | Leeds | you really need to learn to give context |
| 14:48.58 | morsing | Leeds: I did, it was in a text |
| 14:49.13 | morsing | Saying "Do you fancy coffee and pilla tomorrow night?" |
| 14:49.36 | Leeds | no idea |
| 14:49.54 | morsing | Hey - Leeds, you should know. Look: |
| 14:49.55 | morsing | http://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/articles/2005/08/03/leeds_festival_unsigned_pilla_interview_feature.shtml |
| 14:50.27 | Leeds | so it's the name of a band? |
| 14:50.35 | JAV | pilla means several different things in spanish :D |
| 14:51.09 | Leeds | I'm not aware of it meaning anything in English |
| 14:51.45 | morsing | Leeds: It's a *Leeds* band :) |
| 14:52.19 | Leeds | so? |
| 14:52.41 | morsing | :( |
| 14:53.00 | Leeds | no, I admit it - I don't know every little unsigned band in Leeds |
| 14:53.15 | Leeds | I haven't lived there at all for 8 years! |
| 14:53.54 | morsing | :( |
| 14:54.32 | Leeds | do you know every unsigned band in Copenhagen? |
| 14:55.05 | morsing | Yes - even though Copenhagen it 20 bigger than Leeds and I didn't even grow up there |
| 14:55.41 | Leeds | copenhagen has 10 million people? |
| 14:55.50 | morsing | Leeds: 2 |
| 14:56.15 | morsing | Are you claiming that Leeds has 100000 people? |
| 14:56.35 | Leeds | that makes it less than 4 times the size of Leeds - about twice, if you include Bradford, as one normally would |
| 14:57.10 | morsing | s/100000/500000/ |
| 14:57.41 | Leeds | Leeds has well over half a million, yes |
| 15:00.16 | Leeds | in fact, according to wikipedia (yes, I know), Leeds and Copenhagen are pretty comparable in terms of population, particularly if you include Bradford in 'Greater Leeds' |
| 15:04.01 | morsing | Leeds: The numbers for Copenhagen *never* include greater Copenhagen. It is only the City part (for some reason) |
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| 15:08.16 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 15:08.26 | morsing | Leeds: I solved to mystery btw |
| 15:08.48 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 15:08.53 | TimMagic | fear not! timmagic has returned |
| 15:09.17 | angelchild | Tim! |
| 15:09.31 | Leeds | morsing: you mean you fixed Sun's broken Perl? |
| 15:09.34 | TimMagic | how is everybody? |
| 15:09.51 | TimMagic | grr morsing - you are way ahead of me in the stats |
| 15:10.52 | morsing | Leeds: No I found out what pilla is |
| 15:11.09 | Leeds | and? |
| 15:11.22 | morsing | It's Paella! |
| 15:11.28 | morsing | She just can't spell :D |
| 15:11.34 | Leeds | duh |
| 15:11.39 | stephanb2 | doh |
| 15:11.42 | Leeds | so it actually *is* spanish :-) |
| 15:13.14 | JAV | :) |
| 15:14.16 | JAV | "pila" means "stack" (another posibility) |
| 15:15.53 | TimMagic | morsing: that was just rude |
| 15:16.01 | TimMagic | and there is no place for rudeness here |
| 15:16.42 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 15:16.49 | TimMagic | maybe is pizza spelt really badly |
| 15:17.07 | TimMagic | s/is/it's/ |
| 15:18.01 | angelchild | s/a/q |
| 15:18.03 | angelchild | s/a/q/ |
| 15:18.08 | angelchild | heh |
| 15:18.21 | Leeds | s/c/o |
| 15:22.51 | JAV | ibot is talking to his lawyer before doing it |
| 15:23.41 | TimMagic | im bored |
| 15:28.33 | murb | Leeds: oh it does that on my laptop |
| 15:37.05 | stephanb2 | ah google earth does a denial of OpenGL attack ? |
| 15:37.20 | Leeds | seems to be more stable now I'm a) running 2.6.17 and b) not trying to compile it while zooming around the world |
| 15:46.34 | TimMagic | mine works fine |
| 15:47.37 | Leeds | currently touring 'hotels at which I've stayed in Israel' :-) |
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| 15:50.04 | LeedsHK | Google Earth go bang! |
| 15:51.55 | angelchild | EARTH A SPLODE! |
| 15:51.56 | wethrin | You've blown up the Earth? |
| 15:53.11 | LeedsHK | yup |
| 15:53.21 | wethrin | yay! |
| 15:58.34 | keithlard | Leeds rocks! |
| 15:59.06 | LeedsHK | actually, not so much blown it up as stopped it turning |
| 16:00.06 | stephanb2 | oh you stopped the earth spinning ! great! |
| 16:01.44 | wethrin | Yeah. Now it'll never be pubtime! |
| 16:10.51 | mozrat | Good morning |
| 16:11.48 | JAV | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/06/16.html |
| 16:12.16 | JAV | hello mozrat |
| 16:12.28 | mozrat | hey JAV |
| 16:12.32 | mozrat | How are you? |
| 16:12.46 | LeedsHK | zzzzzzzzzz - night all |
| 16:12.48 | JAV | fine, thanks, and you? |
| 16:12.53 | JAV | nn LeedsHK |
| 16:13.52 | mozrat | JAV: I'm good |
| 16:13.53 | mozrat | nn LeedsHK |
| 16:14.42 | mozrat | Anybody going to GUADEC? |
| 16:15.19 | mozrat | and more importantly where I can get the presentations downloaded from? |
| 16:18.07 | JAV | http://guadec.org/ |
| 16:18.50 | boudiccas | Gnome Universal Admirers Desktop Environment Conference = GUADEC? |
| 16:19.41 | boudiccas | mozrat; ??? |
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| 16:40.02 | George | stop waving and particling |
| 16:40.59 | keithlard | :) |
| 16:41.27 | z00dax | keithlard: you are missing from the secret handshake irc server |
| 16:49.05 | mozrat | moo |
| 16:49.10 | JAV | mozrat: Guadec is a long but interesting event. 24-30 jun |
| 16:49.17 | keithlard | no longer! |
| 16:49.41 | mozrat | hey JAV it is in espania this year |
| 16:49.44 | mozrat | you could be going! |
| 16:50.01 | JAV | quite far from here |
| 16:50.04 | stephanb2 | hometime! |
| 16:50.09 | stephanb2 | cu all tmr |
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| 16:55.00 | JAV | 618km from here by car |
| 16:55.29 | JAV | http://www15.mappy.com/sidLHrzYSBW20rMn21w/ACFGT?anchor=0&option=0&sel=europe&csl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Ci2&fsl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Ci2&gsl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Ci2&isl=i0&xsl=2&out=2&issl=i1&iesl=i2&ivsl1=v1&ivsl2=v2&ivsl3=v3&imult=0&flash=1&iveh=&isveh=&wni1=&wci1=&noi1=&tni1=&pci1=39750&tci1=&a10i1=&xi1=&yi1=&csi1=4326&cci1=724&wni2=&wci2=&noi2=&tni2=vilanova+i+la+geltr3A&pci2=&tci2=&a10i2=&xi2=&yi2=&csi2=4326&cci2=724&imode=0&x=3&y=10 |
| 16:55.31 | JAV | ooopss |
| 16:56.03 | JAV | I thought the url was short, sorry |
| 16:56.04 | mozrat | JAV Shame you can't go |
| 16:56.09 | mozrat | JAV, heh |
| 16:56.30 | JAV | true, it looks interesting |
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| 18:15.30 | keithlard | so how do you add a google calendar into evolution? |
| 18:22.28 | keithlard | it doesn't seem to support webcal urls |
| 18:31.43 | JAV | don't know about google calendar but you can import several formats |
| 18:32.44 | keithlard | yeah... it might just be a problem with the google calendar, evolution's getting 404 when it hits the specified URL |
| 18:33.22 | morsing | Check it! |
| 19:09.50 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 19:26.35 | George | fucking content lock on my 3g data tarriff... false positives on chat.org.uk |
| 19:51.04 | keithlard | nightie night :) |
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| 20:20.10 | morsing | mz2! |
| 20:20.33 | mz2 | morsing! |
| 20:21.02 | mz2 | i'm kind of liking C# after half an hour of fooling around |
| 20:22.47 | morsing | Who's she? |
| 20:24.35 | mz2 | she's Java on crack :) |
| 20:34.20 | Cope | heh |
| 20:39.04 | George | anyone here have a windows pocket pc? |
| 20:40.54 | JAV | George: me |
| 20:41.24 | JAV | a pair of hx4700, one has windows |
| 20:41.47 | George | JAV: decent alarm clock software? |
| 20:42.04 | JAV | no idea :D |
| 20:42.07 | JAV | let me see |
| 20:46.25 | sabinef72 | hi |
| 20:46.49 | JAV | can't find them, maybe in the car. Great mess here |
| 20:46.53 | JAV | hi |
| 20:47.34 | mozrat | hello hello |
| 20:48.02 | sabinef72 | how are you mozrat ? |
| 20:48.25 | mozrat | sabinef72, I'm well thank you |
| 20:48.39 | mozrat | been in meetings all day |
| 20:49.13 | sabinef72 | boring meetings ? |
| 20:49.23 | mozrat | but was taken for a nice meal by my work tonight, so not all bad. |
| 20:49.32 | mozrat | Quite boring, yes :-) |
| 20:49.47 | mozrat | about a big project for next year |
| 20:50.00 | George | mozrat: FOOD |
| 20:50.15 | mozrat | George, I'm stuffed |
| 20:50.25 | sabinef72 | nice meal in England ? |
| 20:50.33 | George | I don't want to know about your personal life, morat |
| 20:50.35 | George | mozrat |
| 20:50.41 | mozrat | (metro sabine) |
| 20:50.51 | sabinef72 | hm ? |
| 20:51.18 | mozrat | sabine, I'm on the London metro at the moment |
| 20:51.30 | sabinef72 | ok |
| 20:51.39 | sabinef72 | wifi in the subway ? |
| 20:51.44 | sabinef72 | luckily mozrat |
| 20:52.00 | mozrat | GPRS from my phone |
| 20:52.38 | sabinef72 | hu hu |
| 20:54.43 | George | s/win 36 |
| 20:54.45 | George | woops |
| 20:55.35 | George | mozrat: I have UMTS so ner |
| 20:57.02 | mozrat | George, do i need UTMS on my phone? |
| 20:57.08 | George | yes |
| 20:57.16 | mozrat | what for? |
| 20:57.23 | George | ssh |
| 20:57.39 | mozrat | can you use your phone as a modem for your laptop? |
| 20:57.43 | JAV | George: I see Informant Pro 5 |
| 20:57.48 | George | mozrat: using it right now |
| 20:58.03 | George | mozrat: no longer have access to the school network so using UMTS for the next two weeks |
| 20:58.09 | George | JAV: is it free? |
| 20:58.17 | mozrat | george, I'm using SSH right now over GPRS |
| 20:58.28 | George | mozrat: indeed, but it's slow :D |
| 20:58.36 | mozrat | nah |
| 20:58.40 | JAV | George: of course not :) |
| 20:58.44 | George | JAV: grumble |
| 20:58.49 | mozrat | right, my station next. byebye |
| 20:58.49 | George | JAV: I might have to write my own |
| 20:58.55 | George | hack something together in VB in about 5 minutes |
| 20:58.55 | George | heh |
| 20:59.22 | JAV | :) |
| 21:02.11 | JAV | http://www.pocketinformant.com/products_info.php?p_id=pi&dir=wm&tab_id=screenshots |
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| 22:20.16 | TimMagic | helloo |
| 22:35.08 | angelchild | hiyooo |
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| 22:38.05 | JAV | hi! |
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| 22:52.28 | TimMagic | how is everyone? |
| 23:01.55 | George | :'( |
| 23:03.33 | z00dax | whats up George |
| 23:03.43 | George | nothing |
| 23:06.00 | angelchild | :) |
| 23:08.26 | George | I'm bored |
| 23:13.38 | TimMagic | i am also bored |
| 23:13.50 | TimMagic | quite excited about my first gllug meeting |
| 23:13.51 | George | I'm upset :( |
| 23:14.06 | TimMagic | will be the highlight of an otherwise dull few days |
| 23:14.07 | George | TimMagic: you're coming on saturday? |
| 23:14.16 | TimMagic | yip |
| 23:14.27 | George | oh dear |
| 23:14.33 | TimMagic | wot? |
| 23:16.55 | TimMagic | why oh dear? |
| 23:18.00 | angelchild | it's okay |
| 23:18.03 | angelchild | you can heckle him ;) |
| 23:18.24 | TimMagic | i intend to ;-) |
| 23:18.32 | George | TimMagic: ? |
| 23:18.36 | TimMagic | ibot change 125 USD to GBP |
| 23:18.46 | TimMagic | heckle you |
| 23:18.57 | z00dax | hi angelchild |
| 23:20.20 | TimMagic | yeah - hi angelchild! |
| 23:21.25 | z00dax | angelchild: did you ever workout what Distro to put on te x86_64 machine ? |
| 23:24.44 | angelchild | I put mandriva x86 version on it |
| 23:24.52 | angelchild | it's pretty easy to use |
| 23:25.17 | Erwin | Mandriva should use a liger as their mascot. |
| 23:25.51 | z00dax | x86 ? |
| 23:26.15 | angelchild | yeah, I figured it's probably got better support for proprietary things like the flash plugin |
| 23:26.16 | z00dax | as in the i686 distro ? |
| 23:26.20 | angelchild | aye |
| 23:26.26 | z00dax | ho hum |
| 23:26.33 | angelchild | pfft ;p |
| 23:30.09 | TimMagic | i moff to sleep |
| 23:30.11 | TimMagic | laters yo |
| 23:30.24 | TimMagic | s/i moff/im off/ |
| 23:31.28 | z00dax | TimMagic: bye |