| 00:16.11 | z00dax | i think so, was a good day out - and turned out quite bright and sunny too |
| 00:19.58 | George | moo |
| 00:20.30 | George | Leeds: z00dax drove through your old neighbourhood :P |
| 00:22.37 | Leeds | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=185926540&size=l |
| 00:30.18 | z00dax | Leeds: that asks me to sign in |
| 00:35.52 | George | meh |
| 00:39.39 | Leeds | z00dax: try without the size=l? |
| 00:42.03 | Leeds | it's a photo of a course overview booklet, at the City University of Hong Kong: "Led by Hong Kong's leading new media artists and trainers, these workshops will introduce artists, designers, architects, students and hobbyists to creative alternatives for computer-generated animation with open source software" |
| 00:48.28 | JAV | "Conducted in Chinese..." :) |
| 00:49.02 | Leeds | yeah |
| 00:49.51 | Leeds | you mean you don't speak enough Cantonese to understand a lecture about Genetic Algorithms? |
| 00:51.15 | JAV | I'll wait to the film adaptation |
| 00:51.21 | Leeds | lol |
| 00:52.07 | JAV | the right side (english) looks very interesting |
| 00:53.21 | Leeds | it's just interesting that these courses are being run, by a mainstream institution... and for only $800 (about 80 EUR) |
| 01:00.49 | JAV | good night all |
| 01:01.54 | Leeds | night |
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| 01:55.39 | z00dax | ok zzzz time |
| 01:55.40 | z00dax | nn |
| 01:56.32 | Leeds | g'night |
| 06:00.13 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 06:00.29 | Leeds | g'day |
| 06:00.44 | sabinef72 | oh oh the sun is back |
| 06:01.27 | Leeds | I cheer you up that much? |
| 06:01.49 | sabinef72 | it seems yes |
| 06:02.00 | Leeds | yay :-) |
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| 06:02.50 | Leeds | so... football? |
| 06:05.52 | sabinef72 | we went in shooting match after 1-1 then italian goals one more than us ! End of the story we are only second ! |
| 06:07.36 | Leeds | and, strangely, before you lost on penalties, your star striker was sent off after losing his temper... |
| 06:08.28 | sabinef72 | ohhhh yeah Zidane understand italian so I think that the man says something bad to him |
| 06:08.56 | sabinef72 | but he didn't have to do this ! It's normal if he had to go out ! |
| 06:09.28 | Leeds | you do know that the same thing happened to England? |
| 06:10.24 | sabinef72 | really ? |
| 06:10.35 | sabinef72 | zinedine zidane did the same with and english man ? |
| 06:11.04 | Leeds | no, no... the main English striker was sent off after losing his temper and pushing another player, then England lost on penalties |
| 06:11.05 | sabinef72 | an |
| 06:11.34 | sabinef72 | ahhhhhhhh was it against portugal ? |
| 06:11.59 | Leeds | yeah |
| 06:12.22 | Leeds | http://www.sabrizain.demon.co.uk/malaya/coward.htm |
| 06:14.01 | sabinef72 | ohhh yeah wasn't it the young man Ronaldo ? |
| 06:14.22 | Leeds | it was |
| 06:15.36 | sabinef72 | usually they are working in the same club, right ? |
| 06:16.01 | sabinef72 | I can't understand how things like this happen |
| 06:16.05 | Leeds | for now - the story is that he wants to leave now |
| 06:16.31 | sabinef72 | sure how they can play together now ? |
| 06:16.50 | Leeds | I think it's more that he's worried about the fans throwing things at him |
| 06:18.04 | sabinef72 | you know after you, Portugal played against us. And in the stadium each time Ronaldo had the ball, all people was whistleling |
| 06:18.59 | Leeds | there was an online vote for 'best young player' - he was winning until someone in England heard about it... |
| 06:19.24 | sabinef72 | yes Mozrat explained it to me |
| 06:19.43 | sabinef72 | do you know who is the best young player now ? |
| 06:20.43 | Leeds | me! |
| 06:20.55 | Leeds | oh, wait, no... I'm not young and I don't play |
| 06:21.43 | Leeds | Lukas Podolski of Germany, apparently |
| 06:24.41 | sabinef72 | I don't know him |
| 06:25.15 | Leeds | you never met him? |
| 06:25.21 | sabinef72 | noooooo |
| 06:25.28 | sabinef72 | I don't like so much football |
| 06:25.47 | sabinef72 | last time I watched football was in ....1998 ! |
| 06:26.40 | Leeds | you didn't watch last night???? |
| 06:27.27 | sabinef72 | yes I mean after mundial cup this year |
| 06:27.30 | sabinef72 | before |
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| 06:40.05 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:40.22 | sabinef72 | morsing ! |
| 06:40.59 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:41.22 | Leeds | morning morsing and SlayerXP |
| 06:41.36 | SlayerXP | i start my new job today |
| 06:44.54 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 06:44.58 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 06:45.01 | morsing | SlayerXP: Woo |
| 06:45.06 | morsing | Where? |
| 06:45.12 | sabinef72 | SlayerXP: so good luck |
| 06:45.21 | SlayerXP | morsing: fotango |
| 06:45.28 | morsing | SlayerXP: Yuck |
| 06:46.15 | SlayerXP | i'll be either the 4th of 5th GLLUGer currently working there |
| 06:46.18 | SlayerXP | or |
| 07:00.00 | morsing | ping Cope |
| 07:00.12 | morsing | It's Cope's first day at work today as well :) |
| 07:00.39 | Leeds | I really should see about getting myself some sort of job thing |
| 07:01.10 | Leeds | rather than my current pissing-around-on-IRC, playing-with-random-Python-toys, and reading-comic-book-covers |
| 07:01.20 | Leeds | oh, and overusing-hyphens |
| 07:03.54 | murb | --no-overuse-of-gnuish-hyphens |
| 07:21.50 | Leeds | Monday morning music: http://wanderingjew.co.uk/static/Massada%20Live/ |
| 07:26.39 | Leeds | unless it's in use of course - I wouldn't want to take it from someone who's using it |
| 07:28.16 | SlayerXP | reminds me |
| 07:28.34 | SlayerXP | it's about time for hinterlands.com.au to send me a fright-o-gram |
| 07:28.53 | murb | why? |
| 07:29.19 | SlayerXP | every so often they get this idea they can scare me into handing over my domain to them |
| 07:30.11 | SlayerXP | it must be well over a year since the last time |
| 07:44.23 | Leeds | now, I'm still thinking about laptops |
| 07:44.51 | SlayerXP | my new lappy is ace |
| 07:44.58 | SlayerXP | cheap, too |
| 07:45.29 | Leeds | what is it? |
| 07:45.44 | SlayerXP | acer ferrari 4000 |
| 07:46.29 | Leeds | turion? |
| 07:46.45 | SlayerXP | yep |
| 07:48.18 | Leeds | only single core though, right? |
| 07:48.40 | SlayerXP | yep |
| 07:48.50 | SlayerXP | why would you need a dual core laptop? |
| 07:49.13 | Leeds | for the pure joy of it |
| 07:53.25 | Leeds | does the turion do hardware xen/virtualisation stuff |
| 07:53.28 | Leeds | oh,he left |
| 07:57.52 | morsing | Pentium 100 rocks! |
| 08:04.57 | mozrat | Morning! |
| 08:05.43 | Leeds | mozrat! |
| 08:05.48 | mozrat | Hi Leeds |
| 08:07.32 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:08.28 | Leeds | anyone else got any laptop advice? |
| 08:08.56 | mozrat | hey morsing! |
| 08:14.06 | morsing | Leeds: Buy the slowest one you can get |
| 08:14.28 | Leeds | morsing: why? |
| 08:15.48 | morsing | Leeds: It's cheaper and does everything you need |
| 08:17.22 | Leeds | wrong, next |
| 08:19.39 | morsing | Leeds: How's that wrong?! |
| 08:19.49 | Leeds | it doesn't do everything I need |
| 08:33.03 | morsing | Does anyone here have Entanet as their DSL line supplier? |
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| 08:49.27 | morsing | AndrewBlack! |
| 08:52.44 | AndrewBlack | Hi Morsing - Didnt see much of you yesterday |
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| 08:56.16 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 08:56.55 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Sorry, I didn't run in to anyone after about 1pm. Where did you all go? |
| 09:02.42 | AndrewBlack | random walk round the various exhibitions. Mattehw & I were by ourselves till about 3 then ran into some other people |
| 09:03.15 | huw-l | morning |
| 09:04.43 | morsing | huw-l: Nice |
| 09:09.11 | George | moo |
| 09:13.33 | huw-l | morsing: including such lovely symptoms as slower performance between machines on the same switch as compared to machines on separate switches. |
| 09:18.10 | winjer | apt > * |
| 09:19.22 | Erwin | Speaking of which: |
| 09:19.26 | Erwin | 699 upgraded, 151 newly installed, 13 to remove and 8 not upgraded. |
| 09:19.27 | Erwin | Need to get 544MB/544MB of archives. |
| 09:19.43 | Erwin | I'm not sure if I dare that dist-upgrade. |
| 09:20.03 | winjer | what is it from/to ? |
| 09:20.35 | Leeds | hmm... laptop shopping... |
| 09:20.51 | winjer | Leeds: what sort of laptop? |
| 09:21.04 | Erwin | winjer: Nothing. Just unstable that hasn't been upgraded in a while. Every time I do, something odd happens. E.g. fonts disappear. |
| 09:21.42 | Leeds | I don't know! I've been looking at Dells, purely for the cost... got to replace my work laptop, since it'll have to go back when I'm done, and I'm in the mood for shopping now, having been given a large back payment on something last week |
| 09:21.45 | winjer | it isn't called unstable for nothing ;) |
| 09:21.53 | winjer | i gave up on unstable and went for ubuntu in the end |
| 09:22.22 | Erwin | winjer: Yeah, I installed Ubuntu over my Debian once too, I had some problems. |
| 09:22.40 | Erwin | Oh actaully, I used the live disk. but there no way to install "on top" |
| 09:22.52 | Erwin | I.e. it wanted to install on a clean partition or not at all |
| 09:26.43 | Erwin | And it would be nice not to run 2.4.21 anymore :) |
| 09:34.39 | sabinef72 | mozrat: you around ? |
| 09:34.51 | Leeds | winjer: so what's your laptop advice then |
| 09:38.12 | winjer | Leeds: how much do you want to spend? |
| 09:38.28 | Leeds | no more than maybe $8500 - preferably less |
| 09:38.36 | winjer | what's that in UKP? |
| 09:39.10 | Leeds | ibot change 8500 hkd to gbp |
| 09:39.27 | Leeds | so say 600 quid... but there's no VAT here |
| 09:47.24 | Leeds | okay, so apart from 'as slow as you can get' nobody has any opinions on laptops? |
| 09:49.16 | George | thinkpad |
| 09:49.58 | morsing | Leeds: IBM used to make RS/6000 laptops |
| 09:50.06 | murb | thinkpad are quite nice. |
| 09:50.08 | morsing | They're on Ebay sometimes |
| 09:50.10 | Leeds | tadpole used to make sparc laptops |
| 09:50.13 | murb | you can even get powerpc ones. |
| 09:50.18 | morsing | tadpole?! |
| 09:50.22 | Leeds | morsing: I am not listening to you |
| 09:50.27 | morsing | Leeds: Twat |
| 09:50.28 | Leeds | murb: I already have a ppc laptop... |
| 09:50.29 | murb | morsing: maker of sparc laptops |
| 09:50.40 | murb | Leeds: but not a thinkpad. |
| 09:50.52 | murb | actuall i tink they weren't ppc just power |
| 09:50.53 | Leeds | ppc thinkpads, made by lenovo? |
| 09:51.06 | murb | Leeds: i don't think they are made any recently. |
| 09:51.26 | Leeds | okay, I want a current, decently-specced, Linux-running, affordable laptop |
| 09:52.28 | Leeds | the most interesting suggestion so far has been the acer ferrarri |
| 09:53.48 | winjer | Leeds: sorry was on phone |
| 09:54.01 | winjer | Leeds: tbh for that price it'll be hard to go too badly wrong if you stick to decent brands |
| 09:54.11 | winjer | acer have a good reputation at that sort of price |
| 09:54.14 | Leeds | I was looking at Dell... |
| 09:54.24 | winjer | i bought a cheap NEC last week that seems pretty good too |
| 09:54.29 | Leeds | pretty good spec for not much money |
| 09:54.30 | murb | flimesy plasticay things |
| 09:54.48 | winjer | yeah dell are good spec, but my experience of build quality hasn't been great |
| 09:54.59 | winjer | if you have no kids and aren't taking it anywhere then dell will be ok |
| 09:55.10 | murb | Leeds: how expensive are laptop shaped toughbooks near you? |
| 09:55.13 | Leeds | had a look at their 15incher at the weekend and it did feel quite big and heavy, and plasticky |
| 09:55.17 | winjer | if i was going to lug a laptop around all the time, i'd get a thinkpad |
| 09:55.23 | winjer | in fact, i do and i did |
| 09:55.35 | winjer | thinkpads are still the best of the lot imo |
| 09:55.38 | winjer | but you do pay for it |
| 09:55.47 | Leeds | lenovo does seem to be the general option - but they're pretty pricey |
| 09:55.55 | winjer | they are worth the money |
| 09:55.58 | winjer | metal hinges! |
| 09:56.16 | winjer | lovely keyboards and screens too |
| 09:56.28 | winjer | and good for linux |
| 09:56.49 | Leeds | maybe I'll go to Mongkok on the way home |
| 09:56.52 | Leeds | murb: I have no idea |
| 09:57.09 | winjer | you bringing a brand new laptop into the country? |
| 09:57.23 | winjer | or by home do you mean HK? |
| 09:57.37 | Leeds | on the way home meaning when I leave the office in about 15 minutes :-) |
| 09:57.41 | winjer | lol |
| 09:57.59 | Leeds | there's no way I'd let customs bastards get their hands on something like that |
| 09:58.27 | Leeds | or is that not what you meant? |
| 09:58.34 | winjer | that is what i meant |
| 09:58.41 | winjer | yeah you could get stung badly |
| 09:59.16 | Leeds | I will probably be bringing it into the UK, but not new/unopened - as my personal laptop, which I'm travelling with |
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| 10:00.48 | Leeds | PalmMagic: what is your advice? on buying a laptop... |
| 10:01.10 | PalmMagic | in what sense? |
| 10:02.00 | Leeds | well, I want to buy a laptop... I was looking at Dells, but everyone seems to think I should spend 35%+ more and get a Lenovo instead... |
| 10:02.23 | PalmMagic | hmm |
| 10:02.28 | Leeds | what is your learned opinion on the matter? |
| 10:03.16 | PalmMagic | i have a dell desktop and they work well for their price but they use cheaper components |
| 10:03.20 | hali | Lenovo is better if you plan to keep the laptop for 5 years.. |
| 10:03.33 | hali | Dell is better bang for buck .. and high specs are _much_ cheaper |
| 10:04.01 | Leeds | I would be thinking more of 2-3 years |
| 10:04.26 | PalmMagic | i have heard *some* horror stories but dads work use them with minimal fuss |
| 10:04.42 | Leeds | not so much because I expect it to die, but the battery would need replacing... I'd probably want more RAM and disk by then... generally, I'd expect the next generation of machines to be around |
| 10:04.45 | PalmMagic | s/worl/work/ |
| 10:06.12 | PalmMagic | from a money point of view what are the benefits to buying lenovo? |
| 10:06.43 | winjer | Leeds: what will you use the laptop for? |
| 10:06.43 | Leeds | solid build, high-quality components, good-ish Linux support... |
| 10:07.13 | Leeds | winjer: depends... partly at home when I can't be bothered to use the desktop, partly when travelling, maybe at work - depending on what work is |
| 10:07.21 | PalmMagic | ibm? |
| 10:07.23 | winjer | Leeds: you will be developing on it? |
| 10:08.05 | Leeds | I'll be coding - probably not big complex stuff, but I'm always messing with bits of code |
| 10:08.18 | winjer | hmm ok |
| 10:08.35 | winjer | cos tbh that is the only thing that is really demanding you might do with a computer really |
| 10:08.41 | winjer | that or serious graphics/sound processing |
| 10:08.43 | winjer | or gaming |
| 10:08.57 | winjer | anything else even the cheapest laptops should have enough oomph |
| 10:09.27 | Leeds | I would quite like one with an r200 or r300 class graphics card... I want nice video playback, would like it to be able to rip DVDs at a sane speed |
| 10:09.28 | winjer | but for developing you need enough grunt to run a server process, an IDE, a database and enough screen realestate for IDE, browser, few terminals etc. |
| 10:09.32 | winjer | which is quite demanting |
| 10:09.37 | winjer | demanding* |
| 10:10.02 | hali | or impossible in some cases .. :) |
| 10:10.20 | winjer | i got my missus one of these: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/109813 |
| 10:10.22 | Leeds | within this generation, I think you're going to want something with decently-accelerated OpenGL for all the pretty shiny things |
| 10:10.23 | winjer | last week |
| 10:10.37 | Leeds | um... I don't use an IDE, and sqlite doesn't take much resource :-) |
| 10:10.42 | winjer | and it's surprisingly capable even though it was dirt cheap |
| 10:12.08 | Leeds | okay - basic specs I demand: 1GB RAM, 80GB disk... |
| 10:12.38 | Leeds | oh, and 802.11g |
| 10:12.51 | Leeds | winjer: I get your point, but I don't want to go that cheap |
| 10:13.43 | winjer | sure, but i wouldn't worry too much about getting the highest spec possible for the price |
| 10:14.10 | TimMagic | hmm sorry about that |
| 10:15.26 | TimMagic | did ibm not meet with a good reaction? |
| 10:15.29 | winjer | personally i'd try to find a notebook with higher screen res than 1024x768 though |
| 10:15.46 | Leeds | winjer: yeah, absolutely - although that's what I'm using now, and it's fine on an external screen |
| 10:15.53 | Leeds | TimMagic: main problem with lenovo is price |
| 10:16.09 | winjer | i spent a bit extra to get 1400x1050 and it's made the machine loads more usable |
| 10:16.41 | TimMagic | ok |
| 10:16.51 | TimMagic | but they have similar specs? |
| 10:16.55 | Leeds | ibot change 850 usd to hkd |
| 10:17.13 | Leeds | everything has a range of specs... |
| 10:17.44 | TimMagic | ok |
| 10:17.51 | TimMagic | which dells have you looked at? |
| 10:18.24 | rhowe | Anyone fancy a network switch? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5881810046 |
| 10:18.51 | Leeds | inspiron 640m and 6400 |
| 10:22.06 | TimMagic | ok - the 6400 appeals to me more |
| 10:22.43 | Leeds | yeah, but I held one on Saturday and it felt quite big - and quite plasticky |
| 10:23.15 | TimMagic | i lie! i meant the 640m |
| 10:23.20 | TimMagic | the lighter one :-) |
| 10:23.25 | Leeds | sort of put me off... but then I am comparing with an old metal powerbook, and a thinkpad |
| 10:23.46 | Leeds | I was thinking that 14" was too small, but the rest of the machine was quite appropriate |
| 10:24.15 | Leeds | it does look like I will have a choice between crappy-Intel-integrated graphics and good-ATI-only-binary-drivers graphics |
| 10:24.57 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 10:25.00 | Leeds | particularly an issue since I need a driver which suspends and resumes reliably |
| 10:25.22 | TimMagic | though my dad has a toshiba with an nvidia card in |
| 10:25.42 | Leeds | I didn't think the free nvidia driver was much good? |
| 10:26.03 | winjer | it's ok for not-3d |
| 10:26.10 | winjer | the free ati drivers are ok too |
| 10:26.11 | Leeds | I understand the Intel integrated driver *is* pretty good, but the hardware sucketh |
| 10:26.21 | winjer | i use the free ati driver on my laptop and it's fine |
| 10:26.22 | Leeds | winjer: free ATI drivers are okay, but only for r300 and below |
| 10:26.22 | TimMagic | ok-eth |
| 10:26.46 | Leeds | using r200 at the moment |
| 10:28.12 | Leeds | anyway, it's going home time... think I will go to mongkok |
| 10:28.26 | Leeds | maybe have some tea there as well... |
| 10:29.22 | Leeds | going, going... |
| 10:45.12 | boudiccas | TimMagic; with that 'ok-eth' comment you're showing your age :) [and so am i for recognising it ;))))) |
| 10:45.23 | TimMagic | huh? |
| 10:46.41 | boudiccas | it was a catch phrase of a popular radio show of the early 60's, but atm i can't remember its title |
| 10:47.13 | TimMagic | erm - i was born in 85 |
| 10:47.43 | TimMagic | it was a response to leeds suggesting that "the hardware sucketh" |
| 10:49.23 | boudiccas | TimMagic; you live on your own? I do and found a slow cooker was ideal for cooking a hot meal for the end of a shift |
| 10:49.48 | TimMagic | im confused |
| 10:49.55 | TimMagic | i do live on my own |
| 10:50.03 | boudiccas | come home and just have to cook some rice and then have sausages, or chops, or something ready cooked in it |
| 10:50.16 | boudiccas | Its Monday |
| 10:50.17 | TimMagic | erm why? |
| 10:50.51 | boudiccas | a helpful hint for those involved in shift work, and therefore keeping odd hours |
| 10:51.28 | TimMagic | oh ok |
| 10:51.29 | TimMagic | thanks! |
| 10:51.51 | boudiccas | defintion [to a nurse] of confused = disorientated to time, date and/or place |
| 10:52.29 | boudiccas | you still confused? |
| 10:52.35 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 10:59.07 | morsing | danip! |
| 10:59.39 | George | DEATH |
| 10:59.47 | danip | hi, how's it going? How was yesterday? |
| 11:00.58 | sabinef72 | time for vacations |
| 11:01.01 | sabinef72 | bye all |
| 11:01.12 | sabinef72 | see you in the end of july ! |
| 11:01.35 | George | 11:57:12 < Riddell> richmoore: dunno, I was in England this weekend and had a £1 note accepted fine. even got £4 change back |
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| 11:36.40 | morsing | Moo |
| 11:38.55 | danip | Everybody seems to be working hard.. wich is weird being monday.. |
| 11:49.32 | morsing | danip: It was chaos here last week. Picking up the pieces |
| 11:49.50 | JAV | hello |
| 11:56.26 | danip | :) |
| 11:58.11 | danip | Anyone knows how to configure the cpan module? I just want to change the server from wich to grab the modules. |
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| 12:00.59 | morsing | antiphase! |
| 12:01.08 | George | bleh. |
| 12:01.42 | morsing | George: FOAD |
| 12:01.51 | morsing | George: You shot any people lately? |
| 12:01.59 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 12:03.47 | morsing | wethrin :) |
| 12:04.10 | wethrin | hi! |
| 12:04.37 | George | morsing: bought any non-functional cars on ebay accidentally recently? |
| 12:05.51 | morsing | George: I've never bought a non-functional car |
| 12:06.32 | George | liar |
| 12:06.46 | morsing | George: No - you are |
| 12:06.55 | George | no |
| 12:15.22 | skugg | George: say something. |
| 12:15.45 | George | no |
| 12:16.01 | skugg | anyone else? is anyone talking at all here? |
| 12:16.32 | George | no |
| 12:20.11 | morsing | skugg! |
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| 12:28.34 | wethrin | skugg! |
| 12:30.13 | George | argh |
| 12:30.17 | George | it's the hairy one |
| 12:36.39 | skugg | hi |
| 12:36.41 | morsing | cbz! |
| 12:36.49 | skugg | hmm.. |
| 12:37.41 | cbz | hello morsing |
| 12:37.54 | skugg | seems my irssi-fu is weak. |
| 12:38.27 | wethrin | rhowe: ping? |
| 12:38.57 | skugg | i'm trying to ignore a user (and all replies to that user) but it's not working. |
| 12:39.05 | skugg | a hand, anybody? |
| 12:40.16 | wethrin | On IRC? |
| 12:40.28 | wethrin | /help ignore |
| 12:40.31 | George | wethrin: you hairy person |
| 12:40.41 | wethrin | Specifically, /ignore -replies (in irssi) |
| 12:41.15 | wethrin | Hmm. Jason's looking for rhowe in London, but doesn't have an up-to-date office address |
| 12:42.52 | wethrin | morsing: ping? |
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| 13:06.50 | mozrat | hello |
| 13:07.02 | cbz | hi mozzie |
| 13:07.26 | mozrat | hi Chris |
| 13:12.45 | mozrat | ?? |
| 13:13.12 | George | felt like it :D |
| 13:17.18 | mozrat | ah |
| 13:21.00 | George | moo |
| 13:29.27 | mozrat | By the way - I found out that Linux Magazine keep an online archive in PDF and I've downloaded every article ever. |
| 13:29.40 | mozrat | If anyone wants a copy of them let me know |
| 13:29.54 | mozrat | hey z00dax! |
| 13:30.10 | George | lol |
| 13:30.18 | George | mozrat: look at march 2005 :P |
| 13:30.19 | z00dax | hey mozrat, thanks for organising the meet yesterday - did turn out to be quite nice |
| 13:30.31 | z00dax | and the weather played its part too - traffic, not so much |
| 13:30.38 | mozrat | z00dax: No problem. And *thanks* for bringing George |
| 13:30.49 | mozrat | the traffic sucked on the way back |
| 13:31.01 | George | mozrat: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/52/Programming_with_QCanvas.pdf |
| 13:31.05 | mozrat | did you take the contra-flow lane on the M1 on the assumption it would be faster? |
| 13:31.11 | mozrat | 5 miles of crawling along |
| 13:31.43 | z00dax | no, stuck to the inner lane - had seen the issue on the Contra lane on the way in |
| 13:32.06 | George | mozrat: LOOK AT THAT LINK |
| 13:32.07 | mozrat | took ages to get home |
| 13:32.14 | z00dax | we did have crap traffic for about 2 miles though |
| 13:32.14 | mozrat | George: why? |
| 13:32.26 | George | mozrat: just look at it |
| 13:33.13 | mozrat | George: yeah, I actually read that when it came out |
| 13:33.19 | George | mozrat: really? |
| 13:33.23 | George | mozrat: find it interesting? |
| 13:33.48 | mozrat | George: kind of yeah |
| 13:33.58 | George | that's a "no" then |
| 13:33.58 | George | :P |
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| 13:38.17 | George | mozrat: you know, I didn't actualy check whether the program compiled when I sent it off for pulbication :) |
| 13:38.40 | winjer | you didn't used to write for sinclair programs did you? |
| 13:38.44 | George | no |
| 13:38.48 | winjer | none of their programs ever worked either |
| 13:39.35 | George | heh. |
| 13:40.52 | winjer | me and a mate spent 3 days typing in hex from one of those magazines |
| 13:41.00 | winjer | was meant to be a load of new levels for Sweevo's World |
| 13:41.02 | winjer | never bloody worked |
| 13:41.07 | winjer | got utterly sick of it |
| 13:46.20 | George | harharhar |
| 13:55.39 | winjer | sure that wasn't you? |
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| 14:02.00 | George | Leeds: get a ThinkPad or I'll sell you on eBay |
| 14:04.59 | Leeds | George: you're going to pay the $4000+ difference from a Dell, are you? |
| 14:06.58 | George | Leeds: no |
| 14:07.03 | George | Leeds: I already have a couple of thinkpads |
| 14:07.14 | George | I was using it yesterday to hit wethrin |
| 14:07.39 | z00dax | I am not sure if the Lenovo TP's are really all that great ( although they were doing lots of manufacturing anyway ) |
| 14:07.49 | z00dax | they have taken a massive market hit recently. |
| 14:07.52 | Leeds | I can't afford a thinkpad - or 2... well, I can afford, but I can't justify |
| 14:08.13 | z00dax | or 2 ? you were going to get me one as well ? |
| 14:08.55 | Leeds | George apparently has a couple |
| 14:09.08 | George | I got one cheap in Taiwan |
| 14:09.28 | z00dax | humm |
| 14:09.33 | z00dax | that sounds like my Grandma |
| 14:09.34 | Leeds | I went windowshopping this evening... I can get a pretty well specced Dell machine for well under 500 quid |
| 14:09.41 | z00dax | she'd want to buy something when it was a good deal. |
| 14:09.43 | George | Leeds: yes, but dell is evil |
| 14:09.45 | z00dax | even though she had no use for it |
| 14:09.55 | George | z00dax: I have loads of use for it |
| 14:09.55 | Leeds | z00dax: your grandma was cheap in Taiwan? |
| 14:10.04 | George | z00dax: It was the TP I had yesterday |
| 14:10.04 | z00dax | Leeds: :) |
| 14:10.15 | danip | Why is dell evil :? |
| 14:10.17 | z00dax | Leeds: no, but she always though a good deal was not worth missing |
| 14:10.20 | George | z00dax: it also worked very well as an ultraportable - especially down at Fremington/Plymouth when we were at an army base |
| 14:10.30 | George | the T43p was way too big to take, and the battery life was nowhere near good enough |
| 14:10.39 | Leeds | frankly, it's very simple - I know there are better machines that the dell, but are they hundreds of pounds better? |
| 14:10.43 | z00dax | most places in the UK have power |
| 14:11.00 | z00dax | I get 2.5 hrs out from my laptop- and almost never run out of btty life |
| 14:11.05 | George | z00dax: sentry boxes on the south coast don't, and neither do minibuses on 3 hour journeys |
| 14:11.35 | z00dax | people in a sentry box should not be playing tetris on their laptops either |
| 14:11.36 | George | Leeds: linux support on the thinkpad rocks. |
| 14:11.49 | z00dax | George: most laptops are well supported these days |
| 14:11.49 | Leeds | George: I know - but does it rock $5000 worth? |
| 14:12.04 | George | z00dax: I kept an eye on what I was meant to - and I even reported a speed boat entering the danger area |
| 14:12.15 | George | Leeds: dunno, I got my thinkpad for about 2000 pounds |
| 14:12.49 | z00dax | George: but you missed the army of killer Gnome monkeys that sneaked in |
| 14:12.54 | George | about 9 months ago - 1GB RAM, 1600x1200 res screen, DVD+-RW, 60GB 7200rpm disk, FireGL Mobility V3200, 2GHz Pentium M... |
| 14:13.42 | Leeds | George: right - I'm looking at dual-core 1.6GHz, 1GB, 100GB, 8x DVDRW, 1440x990 (or something like that), with onboard Intel graphics |
| 14:13.49 | Leeds | but for less than 25% of what you paid |
| 14:14.15 | George | mine's not a Dell. :P |
| 14:14.25 | George | and technology changes a lot in 9 months |
| 14:14.32 | Leeds | if I was going to pay that sort of money, I'd get a pimped-up macbook pro anyway |
| 14:14.32 | George | I bought mine before Core Duo was widespread |
| 14:14.38 | George | eww Apple |
| 14:15.09 | Leeds | ideally, I'd like a Turion64 X2, but a) they barely exist and b) they ain't cheap |
| 14:15.18 | George | well, all I can say is that I love my ThinkPads |
| 14:15.54 | George | if I was strapped for cash I'd rather get a lower specced thinkpad than a higher specced dell |
| 14:16.32 | Leeds | "The rise in house prices is continuing to accelerate, government figures indicate." - woo :-) |
| 14:16.42 | George | Leeds: have you thought about second hand? |
| 14:16.52 | George | Leeds: you can get a T42p quite cheap these days |
| 14:17.41 | Leeds | I've got a T42 now |
| 14:17.50 | Leeds | but no, I wouldn't buy second-hand |
| 14:18.17 | George | T42s are good :) |
| 14:18.57 | Leeds | but it's not mine - it's work's |
| 14:20.05 | George | aha |
| 14:20.29 | George | I'm seriously wondering what to do about future laptops now than Lenovo have got their paws on the ThinkPads |
| 14:22.11 | z00dax | i tend to only worry about such things when i need to get a new machine |
| 14:22.20 | z00dax | and in terms of portables, that tends to be years apart |
| 14:22.26 | Leeds | I need to get a new machine in the next 6 weeks or so |
| 14:22.34 | Leeds | well... not need... but get one or do without |
| 14:22.38 | z00dax | Leeds: look at the Acer Ferrari's ? |
| 14:22.59 | z00dax | although with the core duo's around - they arent really all that far up the speed ladder anymore |
| 14:23.14 | Leeds | I looked - again, yes, would like one, but can't really justify spending the money when there are so much cheaper Dells |
| 14:23.42 | Leeds | with a Dell out there with the spec I quoted above for just over 450 quid - anything else has to be cheap or stunningly good to be interesting |
| 14:23.43 | z00dax | humm.. when I got my Ferrari - the dell config for the same spec was about £25 more expensive |
| 14:23.55 | z00dax | damn you, HK prices :( |
| 14:24.09 | George | acers have weird banana shaped keyboards |
| 14:24.13 | George | and the keys are all in the wrong places |
| 14:24.19 | George | it's fucking annoying |
| 14:24.23 | Leeds | there is only really one Ferrari out there now, and it's significantly more expensive that my benchmark Dell |
| 14:24.31 | z00dax | George: the keyboard is quite nice - i use a split anyway, so that smile-kb is nice and faimilar |
| 14:25.18 | George | z00dax: what about / and ? |
| 14:25.18 | Leeds | wow. someone got *disillusioned* http://www.rushkoff.com/2006/07/loss-of-belief.php |
| 14:25.23 | George | z00dax: er, / and \ |
| 14:25.44 | z00dax | George: I've got used to that now |
| 14:26.04 | George | heh |
| 14:26.06 | z00dax | and because i favour the left shift key anyway, the | being on the right side is nicer |
| 14:26.22 | George | heh. |
| 14:26.28 | George | it's a STUPID KEYBOARD!!! |
| 14:29.12 | Leeds | now now, calm down |
| 14:31.57 | morsing | Ssshhh |
| 14:33.19 | z00dax | morsing: looks like we missed you at BP |
| 14:33.36 | z00dax | ooh... the E61 has a sip client and WiFi Support... |
| 14:33.44 | z00dax | maybe time to buy a Nokia mobile might be near |
| 14:38.28 | Leeds | ooh, there's a typhoon headed for taipei |
| 14:38.54 | Leeds | forecast to hit it Saturday morning |
| 14:39.17 | Leeds | glad I'm heading south for the weekend, not north... |
| 14:40.23 | z00dax | are you going to travel far enough to miss it ? |
| 14:40.59 | Leeds | oh, sure |
| 15:03.16 | morsing | z00dax: How? |
| 15:03.38 | z00dax | morsing: how what ? |
| 15:05.44 | wethrin | Chap magazine++ "There is, of course, only one university in Britain, and that is Oxford....Intelligent homosexuals are permitted to attend the University of Cambridge, which offers a variety of courses on espionage leading to worthy careers working for the KGB in mysterious buildings south of the Thames" |
| 15:07.50 | morsing | z00dax: How could I miss you and 8 other people when I was wandering around for 3 hours? Where you actually there? Or at a different Bletchley Park? |
| 15:09.02 | wethrin | You were hiding! |
| 15:09.07 | wethrin | I saw z00dax |
| 15:09.09 | mozrat | morsing: they went to the Bletchley Park in Cambridgeshire |
| 15:11.15 | morsing | mozrat: Ahh... That explains it! |
| 15:12.18 | cbz | Does anyone use a free SSH2 applet? |
| 15:17.33 | morsing | cbz: Huh? |
| 15:17.35 | morsing | Apple? |
| 15:17.45 | cbz | Applet |
| 15:22.30 | morsing | cbz: So OpenSSH for Mac? |
| 15:23.08 | cbz | No. A java applet implementation of an SSH2 client. |
| 15:23.20 | Leeds | mindterm sort of thing |
| 15:24.09 | cbz | Indeed. |
| 15:25.19 | morsing | Leeds: So Lego stuff? |
| 15:25.47 | Leeds | yeah, lego ssh |
| 15:25.54 | morsing | http://mindstorms.lego.com/ |
| 15:26.53 | Leeds | I know |
| 15:28.05 | morsing | :) |
| 15:28.31 | morsing | Anyone heard from Cope? |
| 15:33.08 | Leeds | not me |
| 15:42.29 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/photos/Bletchley%20Park/ |
| 15:42.39 | mozrat | not great photos - chasing a 4 year old is HARD! |
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| 15:48.52 | Leeds | wahay, up to 23% packet loss again |
| 16:00.04 | Leeds | http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/07/10/2003318117 - cobra eats pet dog |
| 16:00.11 | Leeds | sorry, python not cobra |
| 16:05.25 | Leeds | seems they're getting a bigger pipe put in next week, which should be nice... anyway, enough talking to myself, sleeptime |
| 16:08.18 | cbz | night leeds |
| 16:29.22 | rhowe | wethrin: pong |
| 16:29.26 | rhowe | wethrin: He called |
| 16:32.19 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 16:32.29 | wethrin | It seems I have a current phone number for you |
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| 17:24.45 | morsing | Check it!! |
| 17:27.21 | rhowe | wethrin: Damn, must evade harder :) |
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| 18:35.48 | hali | evenin' |
| 18:40.20 | George | ARGH |
| 18:40.20 | George | AR/win 32 |
| 21:33.21 | hali | slow evening |
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