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| 04:19.58 | morsing | 'morning |
| 04:20.03 | Leeds | hi |
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| 07:04.41 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:05.39 | morsing | Is this a genuine link? |
| 07:05.41 | morsing | https://users.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?OneTimePayment&ssPageName=h:h:si |
| 07:06.02 | Leeds | hmm... I *think* I told my bank to move money from my current account to my credit card account at the right time to pay off my bill... but I'm not sure and I can't find any confirmation on their site |
| 07:07.49 | Leeds | I think it might be genuine... but I can't get to that host |
| 07:11.42 | Leeds | oh, the joys of high tech - sitting here in an office in Hong Kong, I can hear Phill Jupitus waffling complete nonsense about cashew nuts |
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| 07:12.49 | Leeds | shai_: hey? |
| 07:21.56 | murb | moin |
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| 07:30.56 | morsing | Phill Jupitus? |
| 07:31.11 | Leeds | yes |
| 07:31.35 | Leeds | what about him? |
| 07:35.24 | Leeds | meanwhile, tropical storm Bilis is still forecast to become a typoon and hit Taiwan straight on |
| 07:39.20 | Leeds | also, Dave Green |
| 07:41.35 | Leeds | Dave Green, in fact, pushing creative commons music on BBC radio... |
| 07:43.36 | morsing | Leeds: Who is he? |
| 07:43.47 | Leeds | ever come across NTK? |
| 07:43.51 | morsing | No |
| 07:43.56 | morsing | NKT I have |
| 07:44.03 | morsing | Is that what you mean? |
| 07:44.07 | Leeds | well, he's a well-known tech pundit and journo based in London |
| 07:44.10 | Leeds | no, NTK |
| 07:44.35 | morsing | http://www.nktcables.com/ |
| 07:44.42 | Leeds | no, NTK |
| 07:45.36 | Leeds | NTK used to be a weekly newsletter of tech/geek stuff, around London where geography mattered... it's become slightly less than fortnightly recents |
| 07:45.37 | Leeds | ly |
| 07:50.50 | cpufreak | its become shite too |
| 07:51.15 | Leeds | yes, but it used to be cool |
| 07:52.07 | Leeds | I have met him a few times at various events... he's currently discussing Quake technique |
| 07:53.11 | cpufreak | my mate used to contribute occasionally to it |
| 07:53.13 | cpufreak | back in the day |
| 07:53.20 | cpufreak | (1999/2000/2001ish) |
| 07:53.23 | Leeds | which mate? |
| 07:53.45 | cpufreak | Russell Patterson, aka Rebelli0n |
| 07:53.55 | Leeds | ah! I've never heard of him |
| 07:54.38 | morsing | Anyone heard from Jason lately? |
| 07:55.04 | Leeds | he did post on the list yesterday, so he's alive |
| 07:55.21 | morsing | My ADSL line has been down for a week :( |
| 07:55.31 | Leeds | :-( |
| 07:56.18 | cpufreak | yeh, although he's developed a habbit of not emerging from his flat for months |
| 07:56.26 | cpufreak | with his girlfriend doing all the shopping whilst he works |
| 07:56.28 | cpufreak | its quite odd |
| 07:56.31 | cpufreak | but never mind |
| 07:56.32 | morsing | :) |
| 07:59.42 | mozrat | Morning! |
| 08:01.17 | Leeds | http://www.last.fm/user/sekrit/ is what you get when you plug all the 'officially' played tracks from a radio station into last.fm |
| 08:01.36 | Leeds | i.e. all the tracks played from the automated system and so on the automated playlists |
| 08:01.53 | morsing | mozrat |
| 08:03.16 | morsing | mozrat: Can you do a Morris-dance for us? |
| 08:04.26 | mozrat | mozrat: ha-hardy-ha! |
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| 08:23.14 | morsing | mozrat: :) |
| 08:23.28 | morsing | mozrat: I've been waiting for hours to say that :D |
| 08:24.58 | mozrat | heh |
| 08:25.12 | mozrat | but you've known me for about 3 years - why wait until today? |
| 08:25.37 | Leeds | ooh, firefox seems to have just gone bang |
| 08:25.42 | Leeds | oh, no |
| 08:29.56 | morsing | Stupid Linux weenies |
| 08:30.05 | Leeds | who is? |
| 08:35.20 | morsing | Leeds: Development of nmon analyser has been handed over to someone else apparently |
| 08:35.34 | morsing | I downloaded the latest version, which didn't work |
| 08:35.51 | morsing | Turns out it starts with #!/usr/bin/bash !!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 08:36.16 | morsing | Sorry, it was nmon2csv, not analyser |
| 08:36.47 | Leeds | ah, that is a Linux weenie thing, yes |
| 08:37.10 | morsing | Twat, I should really email him or the "owner" |
| 08:37.53 | winjer | that's not a linux thing surely |
| 08:37.56 | winjer | more likely a bsd thing |
| 08:38.08 | morsing | winjer: Surely it's a GNU thing! |
| 08:38.12 | morsing | Bloddy GNU weenies |
| 08:38.15 | Erwin | Certainly no /usr/bin/bash here. |
| 08:38.17 | morsing | How's it BSD?! |
| 08:38.26 | winjer | because linux puts bash in /bin |
| 08:38.27 | morsing | Erwin: On wat? |
| 08:38.34 | morsing | winjer: BUT IT HAS BASH! |
| 08:38.36 | Erwin | On GNU/debian GNU/Linux |
| 08:38.39 | Leeds | it's a link to /bin/bash for me |
| 08:38.42 | winjer | bsd would prolly put it in /usr/local/bin |
| 08:38.45 | winjer | to be fair |
| 08:38.49 | morsing | Who cares what it is! It's BASH! |
| 08:38.54 | winjer | so? |
| 08:39.03 | winjer | what's wrong with bash? |
| 08:39.14 | winjer | you would prefer csh? |
| 08:39.24 | morsing | winjer: So why put Bash in there when the system you're developing it for is unlikely to have it installed? |
| 08:39.35 | morsing | Very unlikely even |
| 08:39.40 | winjer | because you like bash? |
| 08:39.50 | morsing | winjer: Nothing to do with what I like! |
| 08:39.56 | winjer | did you pay for it? |
| 08:40.05 | morsing | winjer: It's nmon?! |
| 08:40.30 | winjer | i think that means 'no' then :) |
| 08:40.35 | morsing | What's the bloody point of writing it for bash when you know the people downloading it wont have bash installed? |
| 08:40.52 | winjer | i've always had bash installed, even on solaris and hpux |
| 08:41.02 | winjer | one of the first things i set up after installing |
| 08:41.04 | Leeds | because bash is better than ksh |
| 08:41.12 | morsing | winjer: nmon doesn't run on Solaris or HP/UX |
| 08:41.26 | winjer | well i've never had much to do with aix |
| 08:41.42 | winjer | but i imagine bash will compile for it |
| 08:41.53 | morsing | Leeds: I assume you don't know ksh very well |
| 08:42.00 | morsing | winjer: Why would I? |
| 08:42.10 | winjer | lol |
| 08:42.18 | winjer | i don't know |
| 08:42.18 | morsing | This is not the point anyway |
| 08:42.43 | morsing | Why do you Linux people always have to turn the discussion into something pointless? |
| 08:42.55 | winjer | it's a conspiracy morsing |
| 08:43.01 | Leeds | morsing: I've coded in ksh for a living |
| 08:43.02 | winjer | we all get together and do it to wind you up |
| 08:43.03 | morsing | winjer: I think you're right |
| 08:43.11 | morsing | Leeds: Good for you |
| 08:43.19 | Leeds | I don't want to do that again |
| 08:43.22 | winjer | in #kernelnewbies right now we're planning our next irritate-morsing attack |
| 08:47.50 | Leeds | so, given the choice between a T2050 (dual-core, 1.6GHz, 533MHz bus, rated at 35W, with hardware virtualisation) and a T2300E (dual-core, 1.66GHz, 677MHz bus, rated at 15W, no hardware virtualisation)... |
| 08:50.04 | cpufreak | surely it depends on what you want to do. |
| 08:51.03 | Leeds | well, I would generally go for the faster, lower-power one - but I would think there's a good chance I would want to play with Xen, etc. in the near-ish future... so the hardware virtualisation would be important |
| 08:51.17 | Erwin | Sure, but only if you want extra performance |
| 08:51.35 | Erwin | I run vmware with Linux/X on a Windows XP machine, 1.5 GHz Pentium M, in 1600x1200 and it's fine. |
| 08:51.36 | Leeds | grand total of $300 more for the faster one - a little over 20 quid |
| 08:55.03 | winjer | i'm with erwin, i do the same only in reverse |
| 08:55.05 | Leeds | that's the thing, at the moment I have no need, but I'd imagine I'll want to play... on the other hand, you can always use more cycles, more bus bandwidth and less power usage in a laptop |
| 08:55.08 | winjer | and it works a treat |
| 08:55.41 | Leeds | with dual-core and VT, you should be able to almost partition the machine and simply run two OSs, one on each core |
| 08:55.58 | winjer | nah not with dual core |
| 08:56.02 | winjer | they still share loads of stuff |
| 08:56.13 | winjer | like cache |
| 08:56.22 | winjer | but it'll certainly help a bit |
| 08:56.25 | Leeds | that's the point of combining it with the VT - it's meant to make that sort of thing possible |
| 08:56.43 | winjer | i'll take your word for it |
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| 08:57.12 | Leeds | morning don |
| 08:57.36 | ynysddu3 | Morning and a pleasure - how did Bletchley go? |
| 08:57.58 | Leeds | I really couldn't say - it's a bit far from here, so I couldn't make it |
| 08:59.08 | ynysddu3 | OK, start again - I'm hoping to save (slowly) dribbles from my pension to en |
| 08:59.24 | Leeds | people did seem to have a good time though - although it seems that the group didn't exactly stay together... |
| 08:59.27 | Leeds | en? |
| 08:59.44 | ynysddu3 | able me to upgrade my graphics card (maybe my sound card too). any advive for thsi long-term project? |
| 09:00.59 | Leeds | onboard sound is absolutely fine nowadays for incidental sound and third-party stuff - there's no point having a sound card in a modern machine unless you want accelerated sound for games, or you're actually making or mixing your own sounds |
| 09:02.07 | ynysddu3 | Now that's, for me, a novel idea. I don't need a sound card - is that what you're saying? |
| 09:02.43 | Leeds | it depends on context |
| 09:02.47 | winjer | onboard sound is fine |
| 09:02.49 | winjer | if you have it |
| 09:03.00 | Leeds | yeah |
| 09:03.11 | winjer | you get some really rather good sound chips on decent motherboards these days |
| 09:03.32 | Leeds | ynysddu3: give us more of the story... is this an old machine you are wanting to upgrade in parts? |
| 09:05.39 | ynysddu3 | OK, yeah - so do I! Sorry it's the old silly question/answer thing. By the way, please forgive my typing I'm a stroke survivor and my wrists a tad duff, so I take a fair time to create a readable message. Now then, you're all going too fast for me! I'll send this and come back with some answers - I hope! |
| 09:06.03 | Leeds | no worries - take your time... |
| 09:08.00 | mozrat | ynysddu3: hello there! |
| 09:12.53 | ynysddu3 | I got a Hewlett Packard set-up from PC World in midsummer 2004 for use in continuing to produce a community newspaper. Everything went like oiled silk - then I had a stroke and SWMBO stopped the paper, leaving me with great kit for the job but no job! In the end windoze p***ed me off sufficiently for me to dive into Suse last winter and, thanks to much good advice/assistance from GLLUG now have Suse 10.1 running beautifully. But two-dimensionally. My |
| 09:14.22 | ynysddu3 | HP Pavilion f175, Nvidia Gforce 4 and 17inch screen, Turboprinting through a canon printer - is that enough? |
| 09:15.37 | Leeds | have you dived inside the machine? |
| 09:16.21 | ynysddu3 | Not this one. Frankly, I don't think I'm now capable. |
| 09:16.59 | Leeds | okay... but you want to upgrade the graphics and/or sound? |
| 09:17.48 | ynysddu3 | Right. I want to continue many years of community activity - empowered by Linux. There y'are, that's all of it! |
| 09:18.32 | Leeds | so, back to what we were saying - there's not much point buying a sound card, unless you are creating your own audio stuff and you want it as top quality... |
| 09:19.21 | ynysddu3 | OK, no I don't. Speech only, really, my damaged hearing doesn't justify greater attention! |
| 09:19.57 | Leeds | oh, I suppose the other reason would be if you were trying to equip your machine for 'home theatre' type stuff and wanted 5.1 output or something |
| 09:19.59 | Leeds | anyway |
| 09:20.58 | Leeds | apart from the fun of spending money on new toys, why do you want to upgrade? what do you want to get out of it? what do you want to be able to do (or do better/faster/easier) that you can't do now? |
| 09:21.02 | morsing | Mmm... email from Jason |
| 09:21.07 | ynysddu3 | No, communication. Very hard to quantify: getting people round metaphorical tables, if you like |
| 09:21.51 | ynysddu3 | I would like to use all the abilities of installed software - OK? |
| 09:22.34 | ynysddu3 | Crikey lad, doesn't this method make for disjointed questions and answers?!! |
| 09:22.52 | Leeds | well, not really - that's a very generic non-answer... particularly on a Linux system which has a good chance of having some *very* random software installed :-) |
| 09:23.14 | mozrat | ynysddu3: are you thinking about voice over internet type stuff? |
| 09:23.18 | mozrat | free phone calls etc? |
| 09:23.29 | ynysddu3 | Apologies - yes, tyhat too. |
| 09:23.39 | Leeds | wait... does your current sound card work under Linux? |
| 09:24.09 | ynysddu3 | I'm sure it does - once, under suse 10, I had skype actually working! |
| 09:24.31 | mozrat | Leeds: ynysddu3 had the rare privilege of actually meeting Henry Gilbert... "in the flesh" |
| 09:25.27 | Leeds | just got an SMS: "My friend emily is currently singing ur praises..." |
| 09:26.07 | ynysddu3 | I must say, My old brain's heavily infected with the printing industry - sound's a bit strange for me - no clues on terms. Yup met Henry ... |
| 09:26.40 | z00dax | ah. so Henry actually exists ? |
| 09:27.31 | ynysddu3 | Without doubt. A sleep brazilian. Didn't shudder too much over world cup progress! |
| 09:27.55 | Leeds | I'm sorry... Henry is Brazilian? |
| 09:28.15 | z00dax | err |
| 09:28.47 | ynysddu3 | I'm pretty sure, yeah. We (SWMBO) and I got on well enough with him when he visited. |
| 09:29.37 | Leeds | apparently I'm 'so cool, so ace' according to Emily... pity she's getting married next month, really... |
| 09:30.13 | ynysddu3 | Not to you, then, Leeds? |
| 09:30.30 | Leeds | unfortunately not :-( to a bloke called Ian who's a barman or manager or something |
| 09:31.53 | ynysddu3 | I tried to relate to SWMBO just what these conversations are like - and failed, Surreal, yeah. Mad, yeah. Addictive, yeah! |
| 09:31.56 | Leeds | I suspect that since Emily and Cathy (who's been sending me the messages) are both teachers, starting their summer holiday this week, they are probably having a nice relaxed afternoon combined with some intoxicating beverages |
| 09:32.25 | Leeds | and there's the hometime bell! |
| 09:33.16 | morsing | Odd... Does procmail have a 50MB folder limit? |
| 09:33.38 | Leeds | morsing: no, absolutely not - it'll quite happily handle mailboxes up to at least 2 gig |
| 09:34.06 | morsing | Leeds: Suddenly all mails from a list I'm on started arriving in my inbox |
| 09:34.17 | ynysddu3 | bye for now - cheers and thanks |
| 09:34.23 | Leeds | morsing: are you logging? are you verbosely logging? |
| 09:34.23 | morsing | When I checked the file was the largest one at 51MB |
| 09:34.31 | Leeds | ynysddu3: I'm not going yet... if you are, seeya later |
| 09:34.35 | morsing | Leeds: Procmail can't log |
| 09:34.39 | *** part/#gllug ynysddu3 (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 09:34.46 | morsing | It's being called on an individual basis |
| 09:34.47 | Leeds | of course it can |
| 09:35.07 | Leeds | LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log |
| 09:35.11 | morsing | In? |
| 09:35.14 | Leeds | VERBOSE=yes |
| 09:35.19 | Leeds | ~/.procmailrc |
| 09:35.20 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, /.procmailrc is automatically used if provided at my computer |
| 09:35.26 | Leeds | PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail |
| 09:35.30 | Leeds | ibot: thanks |
| 09:35.31 | ibot | gern geschehen, Leeds |
| 09:35.46 | morsing | Ha ha :) |
| 09:36.10 | Leeds | ~/.profile |
| 09:36.12 | ibot | /.profile is, like, NOT the same as bash_profile |
| 09:36.21 | morsing | ~/.kshrc |
| 09:36.25 | morsing | :) |
| 09:36.29 | Leeds | nothing |
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| 09:37.32 | Leeds | anyway, procmail will happily log what it's doing, and if you add the VERBOSE flag, why it's doing it |
| 09:40.48 | z00dax | http://www.o-hand.com/~iain/last-exit/ |
| 09:40.57 | z00dax | if anyone wants / needs / desires a gnome player for last.fm |
| 09:41.19 | winjer | ooh |
| 09:41.22 | Leeds | yeah, saw that... mono and gstreamer, just for nice simple dependencies |
| 09:41.59 | Leeds | found the 'native' player was fine |
| 09:42.30 | Leeds | apparently everyone is leaving, so if I don't go I get to lock up - /me gone ;-) |
| 09:47.09 | mozrat | keithlard: thanks for the email address you gave me |
| 09:50.12 | winjer | latest amarok has last.fm support too |
| 09:50.15 | winjer | and amarok is awesome |
| 09:53.20 | z00dax | its also kde |
| 09:57.45 | morsing | Anyone here use a Cisco 1700? |
| 09:59.01 | morsing | z00dax? |
| 09:59.23 | z00dax | not me |
| 10:00.29 | antiphase | I use a 2600. Keeps my room warm |
| 10:00.45 | mozrat | morsing: I have done in the past - whats up? |
| 10:02.24 | morsing | mozrat: Do they all have ADSL ports? |
| 10:02.29 | morsing | Or only certain models? |
| 10:03.01 | hali | the 1700 can be fitted with adsl interfaces |
| 10:03.05 | hali | plugin module |
| 10:05.05 | morsing | Ahh... Hmm... |
| 10:05.46 | cpufreak | you proably want a WIC1-ADSL |
| 10:05.54 | cpufreak | can be picked up for under 100quid on ebay |
| 10:06.25 | morsing | Ha ha |
| 10:06.27 | cpufreak | Cisco's ADSL2+ WICs don't work with ADSL2+ in the UK, or didn't last time I checked |
| 10:07.02 | morsing | cpufreak: So this one would work? |
| 10:07.04 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cisco-1700-Series-Router-1720-Box-As-New-NOT-1721_W0QQitemZ150005001902QQihZ005QQcategoryZ73321QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 10:07.11 | cpufreak | ah |
| 10:07.19 | cpufreak | it should do |
| 10:07.23 | cpufreak | if you can put enough ram and flash in it |
| 10:07.29 | morsing | Why does he say "NOT 1721"? |
| 10:07.38 | cpufreak | and find an appropriate IOS :) |
| 10:07.51 | cpufreak | because he wants people searching for cisco 1721 to find that too |
| 10:08.09 | morsing | But is says it's got ISDN module but not ADSL? |
| 10:08.16 | cpufreak | yes |
| 10:08.19 | cpufreak | so get a wic1-adsl for it |
| 10:08.23 | morsing | 12.4 is fine! |
| 10:08.23 | cpufreak | and sell the wic-1br |
| 10:08.29 | morsing | Too expensive |
| 10:08.42 | cpufreak | well it depends on whether that 12.4 contains the right featureset |
| 10:08.58 | cpufreak | morsing: can you plug an ISDN T/A into an ADSL line and expect it to work? |
| 10:09.00 | cpufreak | the answer is no |
| 10:09.07 | cpufreak | same thing applies to whether that would work out of the box |
| 10:09.51 | cpufreak | you'd be better off in all honesty with an 827/837 |
| 10:10.09 | cpufreak | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cisco-1721-Router-with-ADSL-Modem-WICs-IOS12-4-VGC_W0QQitemZ200004340795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ73321QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 10:10.17 | cpufreak | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cisco-837-ADSL-Router_W0QQitemZ200005711432QQihZ010QQcategoryZ101270QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 10:12.53 | wethrin | hello |
| 10:13.31 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:13.44 | morsing | Is there any way to get mii-tool to print the actual speed? |
| 10:14.17 | wethrin | no idea |
| 10:14.34 | cpufreak | $define actual speed? |
| 10:15.18 | wethrin | FTP a file. See waht speed you get :) |
| 10:15.42 | cpufreak | use time + du, and bc to work it out? |
| 10:15.48 | cpufreak | or use an ftp client which report its |
| 10:16.00 | cpufreak | or graph your switch port |
| 10:16.05 | morsing | wethrin: One way I get about 1MB/s, the other way it just stalls |
| 10:16.13 | cpufreak | using mrtg or similar |
| 10:16.30 | morsing | cpufreak: Right! |
| 10:16.45 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 10:17.16 | cpufreak | or if you want to know whats happening on the host, iptraf gives relatively real time stats |
| 10:17.48 | wethrin | "one way"? |
| 10:18.02 | morsing | wethrin: scp to the host stalls completely |
| 10:18.10 | cpufreak | either way mii-tool isn't the correct hammer/tool you're looking for |
| 10:18.15 | morsing | From the host I get the equivalent of a 10Mb/s card |
| 10:18.31 | morsing | cpufreak: It should be |
| 10:18.37 | cpufreak | why should it be? |
| 10:18.44 | cpufreak | its for monitiroing link status |
| 10:19.00 | morsing | cpufreak: Exactly! |
| 10:19.07 | cpufreak | not throughput |
| 10:19.20 | morsing | cpufreak: I'm NOT asking about throughput!!! |
| 10:19.23 | morsing | WETHRIN! STAY! |
| 10:19.39 | cpufreak | well you want to know whats happening when you're scp-ing data |
| 10:19.43 | cpufreak | from one host to another |
| 10:19.52 | cpufreak | and its stalling |
| 10:20.07 | cpufreak | from my understanding of what you're saying, it is the incorrect tool to use. |
| 10:20.31 | morsing | cpufreak: You're not understanding it correctly then. Do you have any real life network experience? |
| 10:20.49 | cpufreak | I wouldn't say I'm completely incompetent. |
| 10:21.15 | morsing | The link is should classic signs of one end running half-duplex, the other full-duplex |
| 10:21.27 | morsing | mii-tool should definately should if that is the case |
| 10:21.30 | cpufreak | well |
| 10:21.37 | cpufreak | a better bet |
| 10:21.41 | cpufreak | is to look at the output from netstat -i |
| 10:21.58 | cpufreak | you were seeming to be wanting to know what the speed of the transfer, or at least that is what you were asking about |
| 10:22.23 | cpufreak | you weren't asking about how best to find signs of a problem at least from the bits of what you wrote, that I read |
| 10:22.29 | morsing | cpufreak: No, I was asking what speed the port was set/autonegotiated to |
| 10:22.45 | cpufreak | oh wait |
| 10:22.47 | cpufreak | I misread |
| 10:22.53 | cpufreak | 11:15 < wethrin> FTP a file. See waht speed you get :) |
| 10:22.56 | morsing | netstat -i looks fine |
| 10:22.56 | cpufreak | as being somerhting you said |
| 10:23.05 | cpufreak | thinking you were responding to |
| 10:23.14 | cpufreak | 11:14 < cpufreak> $define actual speed? |
| 10:23.41 | cpufreak | is the switch reporting any errors on either hosts interface? |
| 10:23.55 | cpufreak | morsing: on both hosts? |
| 10:23.59 | morsing | cpufreak: No - no errors or dropped packets |
| 10:24.06 | cpufreak | any deferred packets? |
| 10:24.11 | morsing | cpufreak: It's only to/from this host |
| 10:24.22 | morsing | cpufreak: No - only 'ok' packets |
| 10:24.34 | cpufreak | there used to be an interesting bug on ciscos, where if you forced full duplex on both ends, they'd defer packets when a port was busy |
| 10:24.44 | cpufreak | but if you left it to autoneg they'd be fine |
| 10:24.44 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 10:24.45 | z00dax | cpufreak: why not ? |
| 10:24.52 | cpufreak | z00dax: why not what? |
| 10:25.11 | z00dax | damn, wrong window - and tab completion :) |
| 10:25.14 | cpufreak | lol |
| 10:25.34 | cpufreak | morsing: are you autonegociating, or forcing full duplex? |
| 10:27.53 | cpufreak | morsing: can you try pinging with say a packet size of 1024bytes from one host ot the other |
| 10:28.07 | cpufreak | and run tcpdump on the other host |
| 10:28.21 | cpufreak | to see whats happening |
| 10:28.31 | morsing | cpufreak: auto and every so ping returns "Bad Checksum" |
| 10:29.04 | cpufreak | what make/model si the siwtch |
| 10:29.10 | morsing | Don't know |
| 10:29.28 | cpufreak | so how do you know the switch isn't reporitng any errors? |
| 10:30.02 | morsing | cpufreak: Network team told me. This is a company |
| 10:30.23 | cpufreak | oh ok, I wondered if you'd tacacs access or something |
| 10:30.34 | morsing | ibot tacacs |
| 10:30.37 | ibot | hmm... tacacs is a freely distributable daemon from Cisco Systems. It is used in conjunction with Cisco routers for authorization, authentication, and accounting services. |
| 10:30.37 | morsing | ~seen Cope |
| 10:30.50 | ibot | cope <n=sanelson@vm.wibbleworld.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 3d 21h 2m 34s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 10:30.50 | *** join/#gllug gregj (n=gj@195.225.250.35) |
| 10:30.51 | morsing | gregj! |
| 10:30.56 | morsing | ~seen Cope |
| 10:30.58 | ibot | cope <n=sanelson@vm.wibbleworld.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 3d 21h 2m 42s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 10:31.00 | cpufreak | most companies I've worked for have been able to give the sysadmin teams some level of access to switches, so they can debug erorrs themselves, to save bugging networks continually. |
| 10:31.29 | morsing | cpufreak: I've never seen that before. And they shouldn't! |
| 10:31.39 | cpufreak | why shouldn't they? |
| 10:31.42 | gregj | :] |
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| 10:32.13 | morsing | cpufreak: Because they're not network specialist and will eventually break something and deny it |
| 10:32.17 | cpufreak | admittedly I come from an ISP background, and in corporate environments it may be different |
| 10:32.21 | cpufreak | but everything anyone does is logged |
| 10:32.24 | hali | read only acces? level 5 perhpas? |
| 10:32.31 | cpufreak | and you can give exec access, |
| 10:32.34 | cpufreak | which wont permit config changes |
| 10:32.39 | morsing | Also, every single Unix admin I've EVER worked have known absolutely 0 about networking! |
| 10:32.46 | hali | what?! |
| 10:32.51 | cpufreak | thats a bit shit |
| 10:32.57 | morsing | hali: Shocking but true |
| 10:33.03 | hali | most unix people i've worked with know more about networking than the network team :) |
| 10:33.30 | morsing | hali: I've worked professionally with about 30 Unix admins |
| 10:33.38 | cpufreak | fire them all |
| 10:33.51 | cpufreak | morsing: in that case |
| 10:34.00 | cpufreak | request that networks force full duplex on their side |
| 10:34.04 | cpufreak | and do the same your side |
| 10:35.23 | cpufreak | and try again |
| 10:35.34 | cpufreak | what model of network interface do you have in your server? |
| 10:36.27 | cpufreak | and which driver are you using with it |
| 10:36.45 | hali | 8139? ;) |
| 10:36.49 | z00dax | most unix admins' i've known are fairly well clued' up about networking |
| 10:37.22 | z00dax | i mean, exactly what are you going to admin if you are clueless about networking |
| 10:38.05 | cpufreak | Unix is a network operating system |
| 10:38.05 | antiphase | Windows |
| 10:38.18 | cpufreak | without network knowledge how can you debug any kind of problem |
| 10:38.32 | cpufreak | antiphase: except most windows admin refer to themselves as 'network administrators' |
| 10:38.34 | cpufreak | :) |
| 10:38.53 | hali | seriosly, this windows stuff is hard! |
| 10:38.58 | cpufreak | heh |
| 10:39.03 | cpufreak | some of our windows stuff is quite hardcore |
| 10:39.06 | hali | i've spent 6 hours now trying to install win2k srv on a blade.. :) |
| 10:39.14 | hali | our first windows box :( |
| 10:39.26 | cpufreak | I'm insulated by being in the solaris team here |
| 10:39.34 | hali | a lot of stuff to think about... service packs, driver floppies... etc |
| 10:40.45 | gregj | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060709 |
| 10:40.48 | gregj | marvelous |
| 10:45.28 | cpufreak | morsing: the other reason for sysadmins having tacacs access is because I wouldn't always believe what a network engineer tells me. |
| 10:45.35 | cpufreak | being able to verify something is useful |
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| 10:55.49 | morsing | subir! |
| 10:57.02 | cpufreak | morsing: any joy? |
| 10:57.11 | subir | morsing, |
| 10:59.27 | morsing | cpufreak: Gave up. |
| 10:59.27 | morsing | Blaming Linuix |
| 10:59.27 | morsing | Linux |
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| 11:01.29 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 11:02.03 | Leeds | morsing! |
| 11:04.19 | mozrat | me! |
| 11:06.27 | Leeds | Leeds! |
| 11:08.14 | mozrat | I'm Brian! |
| 11:09.02 | Erwin | I'm Brian, and so's my wife. |
| 11:15.44 | morsing | Erwin: Doesn't work in English |
| 11:23.41 | wethrin | foo |
| 11:24.48 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:24.53 | wethrin | hi! |
| 11:25.36 | wethrin | I'm off again! :) |
| 11:25.47 | mozrat | bastards |
| 11:31.34 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/239-GLLUG-Trip-to-Bletchley-Park.html |
| 11:31.53 | JAV | hello! |
| 11:35.49 | mozrat | hey JAV! |
| 11:35.56 | mozrat | JAV - is your first name Javier? |
| 11:36.01 | JAV | Jose |
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| 11:38.26 | boudiccas | mozrat; JAV's nick comes from his initials |
| 11:38.52 | JAV | boudiccas: right! ;) |
| 11:40.22 | mozrat | JAV: ah, I met a Spanish guy on Sunday called Javier |
| 11:40.59 | JAV | both names are common here |
| 11:42.30 | mozrat | http://www.100mb.nl/ |
| 11:56.29 | mozrat | boudiccas: I emailed a T-Shirt printing person today about prices |
| 11:56.41 | mozrat | Hopefully should have some by the Expo in October |
| 11:56.50 | mozrat | well - before then as well hopefully |
| 12:02.58 | George | bisleynhas really god reception for t-mobile :) |
| 12:03.02 | George | good |
| 12:04.29 | George | rofl |
| 12:26.04 | boudiccas | mozrat; goodoh :) |
| 12:29.02 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 12:41.04 | mozrat | morsing: resist it! |
| 12:56.15 | skugg | s/Link/Chain/ ? |
| 12:59.54 | morsing | mozrat: I can't. They get offended |
| 13:23.15 | wethrin | Yes. Use telnet |
| 13:26.23 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 13:27.09 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 13:34.24 | mozrat | morsing: I had 2 people ask me to link them and I didn't |
| 13:37.09 | morsing | mozrat: Are they still talking to you? |
| 13:44.53 | keithlard | yes, sorry, i was feeling very glum and unsociable |
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| 13:49.01 | Leeds | hey do |
| 13:49.02 | Leeds | n |
| 13:49.11 | ynysddu3 | Hi |
| 13:49.21 | keithlard | and i was up really late on saturday so i could not come to the bletchley outing |
| 13:49.25 | keithlard | i suck |
| 13:49.52 | Leeds | keithlard: you were up late? I didn't get in until past 6 on Sunday morning :-) |
| 13:51.16 | keithlard | :) |
| 13:51.37 | mozrat | keithlard: you missed a nice day |
| 13:51.52 | keithlard | i bet |
| 13:51.54 | mozrat | although my son was a PITA all day |
| 13:51.56 | ynysddu3 | No pics? |
| 13:52.50 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/photos |
| 13:53.15 | mozrat | ynysddu3: Not great photos from me as trying to take a steady photo whilst beating a 4 year old is hard |
| 13:53.20 | Leeds | I'm sorry, but PITA is a sort of bread |
| 13:53.21 | ynysddu3 | Thanks - should have guessed! |
| 13:53.26 | mozrat | but Andrew Black took some good ones I think |
| 13:53.41 | mozrat | Leeds: Pain in the ARSE! |
| 13:54.24 | Leeds | oh, I know what it is - still reads like bread to me |
| 13:54.40 | ynysddu3 | Bye now |
| 13:54.46 | *** part/#gllug ynysddu3 (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 13:55.01 | Leeds | he doesn't stick around, does he? |
| 13:56.31 | mozrat | heh |
| 13:56.38 | mozrat | Back to the oxygen tent |
| 14:07.13 | morsing | 2. Set SORTINP to NO if you use the AIX sort command or the nmon2csv shell script to pre-sort the nmon file. |
| 14:07.16 | morsing | This option may be useful for users in Denmark and Norway and for users who experience problems with the |
| 14:07.19 | morsing | Microsoft collating sequence. |
| 14:11.55 | mozrat | ibot morsing |
| 14:11.57 | ibot | morsing is, like, a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. capable of having bee-wax applied to the plucking end, or mozrat, or verb: to paste random crap devoid of context, or not a CNAME for mozrat, or a Python expert |
| 14:16.59 | morsing | ibot mozrat |
| 14:17.00 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, mozrat is a geek, or pissed, or not morsing ALIVE!!!, or not a CNAME for morsing, or so pissed he can't update his factiod, or and we won!!!!!!, or not even Australian |
| 14:23.47 | Leeds | 2222 |
| 14:24.09 | Leeds | approximately... |
| 14:24.45 | morsing | ibot 2222 |
| 14:29.18 | boudiccas | ibot z00dax |
| 14:29.29 | boudiccas | ibot boudiccas |
| 14:29.56 | mozrat | T-Shirt guy has quoted a price for T-shirts that looks a little steep :( |
| 14:30.54 | keithlard | is that paul hazell |
| 14:31.11 | mozrat | yeah |
| 14:31.50 | mozrat | It is probably an honest quote, but it works out at 18 quid a shot |
| 14:32.04 | mozrat | I will ask what we would need to compromise to get them to about a tenna |
| 14:32.21 | boudiccas | 18 squid a tshirt ??????? |
| 14:32.24 | SlayerXP | getting some "We hate you, George" shirts printed? |
| 14:32.33 | Leeds | you're going to have to buy a lot to get them for a tenner |
| 14:32.49 | boudiccas | no, FOAD George :))))) |
| 14:32.56 | keithlard | i think ours were 8 quid but we had a couple of hundred.... |
| 14:33.33 | mozrat | bummer |
| 14:33.39 | mozrat | boudiccas: yep |
| 14:33.43 | mozrat | you ordered 10 right? |
| 14:33.45 | boudiccas | sheesh |
| 14:33.55 | mozrat | boudiccas: early days yet - hang on a sec |
| 14:34.17 | Leeds | mozrat: I'll have a few, but I'll need them in different colours and with different designs... |
| 14:34.56 | Leeds | also, I assume you ship to Hong Kong for free? |
| 14:36.42 | mozrat | Leeds: I'll hand deliver to London for free! |
| 14:43.43 | mozrat | I might just stick the designs on CafePress and let people go nuts. |
| 14:43.51 | mozrat | or ask Steve Parkes to handle it all |
| 14:44.03 | mozrat | I don't really want to get too involved in it all |
| 14:49.15 | z00dax | boudiccas: ping'ed ? |
| 15:32.36 | mozrat | hey danip |
| 15:34.21 | danip | hi mozrat.. |
| 15:34.27 | *** join/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 15:34.31 | cbz | Hello. |
| 15:35.17 | mozrat | hey |
| 15:35.22 | danip | I'm looking for a room. Any recomendations other than gumtree.com? |
| 15:35.36 | cpufreak | ebay |
| 15:36.03 | danip | ebay? I don't want to buy it, just rent it. A room, maybe an studio. |
| 15:36.30 | cbz | hi mozzie |
| 15:36.32 | cpufreak | www.ononemap.com is quite useful |
| 15:36.38 | cpufreak | it wont have partial lets tho |
| 15:37.09 | danip | What are partial lets? O:) |
| 15:37.13 | mozrat | moving home danip ? |
| 15:37.16 | cbz | Single rooms danip |
| 15:37.33 | danip | mozrat: Yeah, we've been kicked off :) |
| 15:41.04 | Leeds | kicked off what? |
| 15:41.13 | cpufreak | the premises |
| 15:41.32 | Leeds | you squatting or something? :-) |
| 15:42.48 | danip | No, the landlord is going to need the room for his mother, wich is old and is going to make a *long term* visit.. |
| 15:42.56 | cpufreak | s/wich/which |
| 15:42.58 | cpufreak | s/which/who/ |
| 15:43.18 | keithlard | any postgres wizards present? :D |
| 15:43.18 | cpufreak | no ibot, I didn't |
| 15:43.18 | cpufreak | you stupid good for nothing bot |
| 15:44.23 | Leeds | ah, 33% packet loss - there's a productive internet connection for you |
| 15:45.07 | danip | ononemap has a little bug.. on one place says ppw, and in onother place says pcm :) |
| 15:45.38 | Leeds | average it out? :-) |
| 15:45.57 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 15:46.08 | cpufreak | it also calls flats houses sometimes |
| 15:46.09 | danip | :) |
| 15:46.18 | cpufreak | but its useful |
| 15:46.54 | danip | Yep. The site is quite nice, but the prices cannot be paid even by Blair. |
| 15:47.04 | cpufreak | I dunno |
| 15:47.21 | cpufreak | I found some nice houses for ~220-250k |
| 15:47.25 | cpufreak | which look interesting |
| 15:47.37 | cpufreak | gonna have to find some time to go look at them |
| 15:48.46 | keithlard | how would i get query logs for postgres? |
| 15:49.00 | wethrin | Depends. Have you turned logging on? |
| 15:49.24 | cpufreak | before you do, how busy is the server? |
| 15:49.54 | keithlard | i don't know how to turn logging on :) |
| 15:50.08 | keithlard | it is not in production at the moment |
| 15:50.22 | wethrin | keithlard: Where were you on Friday? You missed beer! |
| 15:50.40 | cpufreak | search for syslog in your postgresql.conf |
| 15:50.44 | keithlard | i was sulking |
| 15:50.48 | wethrin | bah :-P |
| 15:52.38 | boudiccas | z00dax; no |
| 15:52.44 | murb | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/private/dankolb-and-colossus.png # hmm |
| 15:52.49 | Leeds | almost midnight, time for bed |
| 15:53.25 | wethrin | Bad murb! No spreading the memes! |
| 15:55.35 | Leeds | g'night |
| 15:57.44 | mozrat | murb: heheh |
| 16:01.46 | z00dax | i find it funny when people wont buy the ECS Tablet for £799 but will gladly buy the Apple iBook which is about the same spec |
| 16:01.52 | z00dax | and comes off the same production line |
| 16:02.05 | z00dax | but since its ECS... |
| 16:02.38 | keithlard | what's ecs? |
| 16:03.56 | cbz | EliteGroup Computer Systems |
| 16:04.16 | keithlard | yes but what is it? |
| 16:04.28 | cbz | Another computer manufacturer. |
| 16:10.18 | z00dax | ecs is a .tw based OEM sort of supplier, only recently also doing their own branded h/w via retail |
| 16:12.51 | keithlard | aah |
| 16:13.09 | keithlard | so apple just badges their hardware? |
| 16:13.37 | cbz | A lot of vendors do not do their own manufacturing. |
| 16:13.58 | cbz | They get a third party to make stuff to spec and slap their label on it. |
| 16:14.21 | cbz | Toshiba at one point used to make all most of the laptops in the world - i'm not sure if that is true any longer. |
| 16:14.29 | cbz | Effectively manufacturing is outsourced. |
| 16:15.47 | z00dax | Apple dont actually manufacture anything |
| 16:16.05 | z00dax | most of my G5 at home was done by Mitsumi and Hitachi |
| 16:18.12 | keithlard | that's cool |
| 16:20.00 | cpufreak | Apple design it |
| 16:20.06 | cpufreak | and then get someone else to manufactuer it |
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| 17:11.59 | keithlard | aah, cope, i've been expecting you |
| 17:12.30 | Cope | :) |
| 17:15.50 | Cope | keithlard, can you see my /msg? |
| 17:15.56 | Cope | are you dead, or just considering the question? |
| 17:16.12 | murb | Cope: are you registered? |
| 17:16.16 | Cope | yes |
| 17:16.23 | Cope | the question was whether keithlard is |
| 17:16.29 | murb | does keithlard ignore you private messages |
| 17:16.33 | Cope | not normally |
| 17:16.36 | Cope | he may be afk |
| 17:16.37 | keithlard | aah well no i am not |
| 17:16.41 | keithlard | someone pinched my password |
| 17:16.46 | murb | Cope: you can set a flag if you are registered to receive unregistered messages. |
| 17:16.46 | keithlard | i wondered why you did not see my replies :D |
| 17:16.49 | Cope | buggers |
| 17:16.53 | Cope | ah |
| 17:18.39 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.42 | Cope | keithlard, try now |
| 17:19.07 | keithlard | any good? |
| 17:19.19 | Cope | ok |
| 17:19.20 | Cope | try now |
| 17:19.23 | Cope | i typod |
| 17:19.28 | Cope | yep |
| 17:19.30 | Cope | working |
| 17:19.31 | Cope | thanks murb |
| 17:19.48 | keithlard | :) |
| 17:19.48 | keithlard | now do i get my nick back? :D |
| 17:19.48 | keithlard | s/now/now how/ |
| 17:20.17 | z00dax | there is a forgot password process. maybe freenode.net:80 has some info |
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| 18:12.55 | Erwin | ack, 32C inside. |
| 18:16.43 | Cope | breasts? |
| 18:16.50 | Cope | oh - temperature |
| 18:18.46 | cpufreak | are you ex digex/ |
| 18:18.55 | cpufreak | or current |
| 18:21.11 | Cope | ex digex |
| 18:21.14 | Cope | as of a few days |
| 18:21.27 | z00dax | hi Cope |
| 18:21.27 | Cope | hi z00dax |
| 18:21.36 | z00dax | :) |
| 18:21.49 | z00dax | ex digex ? so where you @ now ? |
| 18:21.52 | Cope | z00dax, have you seen Dag's article on apache/proxy/ssh/tunnel thingy? |
| 18:22.06 | z00dax | no.. where was it published ? |
| 18:22.17 | Cope | unsure... let me find it |
| 18:22.35 | Cope | z00dax, started at De La Rue yesterday |
| 18:22.42 | z00dax | yay! |
| 18:22.42 | goltor | wow, k3b actually works out of the box |
| 18:23.47 | Cope | z00dax, http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/ |
| 18:24.28 | Cope | looks to be exactly what I need |
| 18:25.14 | z00dax | cool |
| 18:25.22 | z00dax | Dag's been doing some great stuff over the years |
| 18:25.57 | z00dax | i think he was using this at IBM to get onto irc :) |
| 18:26.02 | Cope | right |
| 18:26.08 | Cope | i suspect exactly so |
| 18:26.14 | Cope | and very close to what I need to do |
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| 18:57.50 | keithlard | it's only natural for a child to get interested in his father's hobbies |
| 18:58.53 | Cope | :) |
| 18:59.33 | Cope | i'm not familiar with using /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssh.yourdomain.com.conf as a VH config |
| 18:59.37 | Cope | is this an apache 2 ism? |
| 19:00.29 | Cope | and won't that need an include in the master httpd.conf? |
| 19:00.36 | Cope | or is that implied? |
| 19:00.49 | rhowe_ | Cope: Include /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf, perhaps |
| 19:00.54 | rhowe_ | Cope: Looks apache2-ish to me |
| 19:01.38 | z00dax | RH'ish is /etc/httpd/conf.d/ for all non httpd itself configs |
| 19:01.38 | z00dax | there is an include ../conf.d/*.conf in the main /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |
| 19:01.38 | keithlard | i think it comes with an include /etc/httpd/conf.d/* |
| 19:01.55 | Cope | woo rhowe_ |
| 19:01.57 | keithlard | so i was 100% right... and i also just put together a set of drawers! :D |
| 19:05.58 | keithlard | home time for little phones! |
| 19:07.02 | Cope | booooo |
| 19:07.13 | Cope | come back online soon |
| 19:07.18 | keithlard | ok :) |
| 19:07.51 | keithlard | i'm heading home to relax with a cold beer and 'Teach Yourself Go' |
| 19:09.45 | keithlard | laterz! |
| 19:10.22 | z00dax | keithlard: l8r |
| 19:11.28 | Cope | lol - william and I have returned from dancing |
| 19:11.35 | Cope | william says "very loud" |
| 19:12.02 | Cope | lol, followed by "more beer daddy" |
| 19:18.45 | Cope | hmm |
| 19:18.47 | Cope | silence |
| 19:23.01 | *** join/#gllug Provito (n=Provito@82-35-133-113.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:37.25 | Cope | still silence |
| 19:38.11 | Cope | you're my friend! be awake! |
| 19:39.23 | rhowe_ | ? |
| 19:39.25 | rhowe_ | heh |
| 19:39.33 | Cope | w00t |
| 19:39.37 | rhowe | with some assistance |
| 19:39.45 | Cope | were you questioning my assertion that you're my friend? |
| 19:40.33 | rhowe | I was questioning what was up |
| 19:42.05 | Cope | heh, nothing - just that I fancied the company of chums |
| 19:42.26 | Cope | How is Jia? |
| 19:42.32 | rhowe | http://n.nfshost.com/1.html |
| 19:42.35 | rhowe | See if you can get to 30 |
| 19:42.43 | rhowe | She's fine - off to China on Thursday for a month or so |
| 19:42.48 | Cope | do'h |
| 19:43.28 | rhowe | heh |
| 19:51.44 | Erwin | rhowe: Any hint for http://n.nfshost.com/111.html? :) |
| 19:52.59 | rhowe | It's not english |
| 20:01.44 | *** join/#gllug keithlard_ (n=john@i-83-67-2-128.freedom2surf.net) |
| 20:01.54 | keithlard_ | wooOOOOoooo |
| 20:01.59 | Cope | yay!!! |
| 20:02.05 | Cope | keithlard_! |
| 20:38.14 | *** join/#gllug angelchild (n=Catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 20:57.22 | Cope | zzzzzzzz |
| 20:57.28 | George | hi |
| 20:59.05 | George | moo. |
| 22:22.53 | wethrin | Hello |
| 22:24.08 | George | PHOTOS |
| 22:24.11 | George | PHOTOS |
| 22:29.05 | cpufreak | nuns nuns reverse reverse |
| 22:39.30 | *** join/#gllug popey (n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 22:51.13 | wethrin | Hm. Photos. |
| 22:53.47 | George | wethrin: GET ON WITH IT |
